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Title: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: zorgon on September 05, 2012, 02:32:54 pm
Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?

This interesting video is an analysis of the Lunar Rover footage. If you watch it closely you can see he is right :D  No arm movement.

[youtube]eK3R2en4p_8[/youtube]

Now we need to pull up other clips of the Lunar rovers and see if they show similar details :D

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Published on Aug 28, 2012 by moonfakery

Vsevolod Yakubovich is a director of photography of the Mosfilm Studios. He teaches "Technology of the shooting process". He graduated from the All-Union State Cinema Institute (VGIK) in 1968. Currently he is an Associate Professor of VGIK Camera Department. As a special effects cinematographer he was involved in shooting of more than 200 movies.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: ArMaP on September 05, 2012, 03:48:05 pm
If, as he says, it looks filmed in a "big pavilion", why the need for a radio controlled rover with a doll instead of a person?  ???

As for the movements, I have to look at more images to get an idea.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 05, 2012, 06:53:08 pm

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/A17_LunarRover2.pdf

I think someone in The NASA had a warped sense of Humour...   :D

I Mean 1802m processor "Tech"..... Come on....   ;)  ;)   ::)    :P   :D

And what's the Directional High Gain Antenna for ?

Looks good in a fictional movie I guess.

I thought they would use a Data logger ?   :D

They had personal Com. with base. So why the Truck and accessories.

Definitely a "budget movie" for the masses...   ;D
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: zorgon on September 05, 2012, 09:17:47 pm
As for the movements, I have to look at more images to get an idea.

Same here... need to find any other Rover clips :D

He did mention the HILLS in the background. I have always said they look like they were added in later :P

I recall we were going to look at those once upon a time :D

Lunar Orbiter images show sharp jagged peaks and lots of features...

Apollo surface images show smooth and featureless piles of dirt...

Something is not right... I think the backgrounds were added in later :P  Just like THIS one :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/Apollo_11_006.jpg)

Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 05, 2012, 11:43:36 pm
Hi Z,

Looks like some Atmospheric based Erosion has taken place, regarding them there hills,
displayed in/on the Stage "Back Drop", in this photo...   :D
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: deuem on September 06, 2012, 12:40:44 am
So far every photo I have done looks like the real thing. To make a model so complex would need to be full size. All details on the rover and suits and ships have matched actuals. What would be the reason for models? They had all the money in the world for the real or say full size stuff. The RC issue is a joke in my book because of this. They would have needed to use full size to get in all the details.
 
One guy, you can find him on line built a model of the LEM, the best one in the world and it took him over 2 years and it still does not look like the real thing. If someone wants to push that it was faked with real size units then that is another story to go with but RC models ? I don't buy it. If I tell you I have not found the smoking gun and that at every turn it justs gets Better. Would that mean anything. The deeper I look the better it gets. I will stick with the photos for now. I don't care if they faked the videos. All I care is if, one time, one person stepped on the moon. That is all that counts. Did they do it at least once. Even for a minute.
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Deuem
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 06, 2012, 12:53:15 am
So far every photo I have done looks like the real thing. To make a model so complex would need to be full size. All details on the rover and suits and ships have matched actuals. What would be the reason for models? They had all the money in the world for the real or say full size stuff. The RC issue is a joke in my book because of this. They would have needed to use full size to get in all the details.
 
One guy, you can find him on line built a model of the LEM, the best one in the world and it took him over 2 years and it still does not look like the real thing. If someone wants to push that it was faked with real size units then that is another story to go with but RC models ? I don't buy it. If I tell you I have not found the smoking gun and that at every turn it justs gets Better. Would that mean anything. The deeper I look the better it gets. I will stick with the photos for now. I don't care if they faked the videos. All I care is if, one time, one person stepped on the moon. That is all that counts. Did they do it at least once. Even for a minute.
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Deuem

I wouldn't claim the human species has NOT walked on the Moon.

But I would suggest the reason for the "Staged acts" (NOT using radio controlled vehicles)
was an attempt to keep the pubic from viewing what really exists on the moon and what is really going on
regarding the Earth and its place in the realm of things.  :-X

You may find a film studio in England that was involved with some of this.

There are reasons for this taking place, NOT controlled by Government's.

But at the same time this took place during the "cold war", so it had its political uses as well I guess.

Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 06, 2012, 02:33:37 am

One guy, you can find him on line built a model of the LEM, the best one in the world and it took him over 2 years and it still does not look like the real thing.



That's more an argument for why one should seek out a government contract despite one's own incompetence than it is an argument against the USA being able to fake a LEM.

And ultimately what you are saying is that because one man failed to do a thing, that the thing couldn't be done.  That is just bogus. You are effectively saying that the nation which landed men on the moon couldn't convince the only people that matter that we landed men on the moon. The soviets don't matter. The chinese don't matter. If some Russian or Chicom got on TV and said we didn't land on the moon, they'd be laughed at.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 06, 2012, 02:47:59 am

But I would suggest the reason for the "Staged acts" (NOT using radio controlled vehicles)
was an attempt to keep the pubic from viewing what really exists on the moon and what is really going on
regarding the Earth and its place in the realm of things.  :-X

More than any other reasons, the most likely purpose to fake the Apollo missions would have been to free up that lifting power for the military. Heck, Have you seen any images of the landing sites which came from soviet, Chinese, Indian or Japanese probes? Nope. Only our probes can see evidence of the lunar landers (so that also means the Soviets could never have blown the whistle by showing us empty landing sites, and even if they had we'd have said they took the pics before our guys got there, or retouched the photos - because that's what communists do: they lie).

*It probably would have only taken two Saturn V rockets to land the materials on the moon necessary to create the facsimile of a lunar mission when viewed from several dozen miles above. The other missions could be used militarily and each could contain the device needed to facilitate the appearance of a craft en route to the moon, so that the boys back on earth can track it to and fro. It's not like anyone would suspect anything.

Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Lunica on September 06, 2012, 04:31:48 am
The only big thing I always question. Why would you do such a very risky thing like driving a buggy on the moon...
Look how things are going on Mars with the rovers now.

Two worlds in IMO.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 06, 2012, 08:37:10 am
I agree with Matrix :)
They went there, but they were doing a whole lot of stuff besides planting flags & playing golf, and there's a whole lot more on the moon than just rocks.....so much that they couldn't even edit all of it, better to fake the whole scene, it would be quicker & cheaper IMO ::)
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 06, 2012, 02:34:08 pm
Hi exuberant1,

You wrote  Quote;

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because that's what communists do: they lie.

Hell that's a bit unrealistic...   >:(

My Lovely Wife is Chinese.

Have you ever lived in China ?  No ?    I have.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 06, 2012, 02:55:02 pm
I agree with Matrix :)
They went there, but they were doing a whole lot of stuff besides planting flags & playing golf, and there's a whole lot more on the moon than just rocks.....so much that they couldn't even edit all of it, better to fake the whole scene, it would be quicker & cheaper IMO ::)


BINGO...  Right on the nail.

There is more than Rocks on that there moon and playing with a poor excuse for a "Go Kart"
or was that a "Go Truck" is plain ridiculous.    :D

I really think some in the NASA is laughing over all this...   :D

I know a little about electric vehicles as I imported many Electric cycles some years ago..

I have also serviced (Repaired) Electric vehicles.

Here are a couple of Photos of a "Go Kart" I designed, with a CBR 250 R engine with sequential shift etc.


Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Vandalis on September 06, 2012, 06:30:46 pm
Wow, its funny how u never notice these things till there pointed out. Now it stands out so much its funny. Totaly looks like a doll. xD

I meen if you compare that to somone driving a vehicle in the desert or on the beach. They would bounce all over wouldnt they? Looks like there nailed to that rover lol.

As for the backgrounds. Didnt they use that back lit projector thingies? i cant remeber the name.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 06, 2012, 07:15:32 pm
Wow, its funny how u never notice these things till there pointed out. Now it stands out so much its funny. Totaly looks like a doll. xD

I meen if you compare that to somone driving a vehicle in the desert or on the beach. They would bounce all over wouldnt they? Looks like there nailed to that rover lol.

As for the backgrounds. Didnt they use that back lit projector thingies? i cant remeber the name.

On looking at this again Something involving Kinetic behavior of the driver and the other Components, doesn't seem quite right. Esp. if gravity were 1/6 of that of the Earth.

But as John tells us re. Gravity.... I go along with him.

I would like to know your thoughts on this John, regarding the Lunar rover.

Perhaps you can throw some light on this for us.
 
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: A51Watcher on September 06, 2012, 08:40:18 pm




More on the foreground vs background -



[youtube]GYdIhlIKEM0[/youtube]



Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: A51Watcher on September 06, 2012, 08:50:38 pm



I thought I should also mention that the footage in the OP has been artificially stabilized.

Instead of the image bouncing around as it was originally photographed, someone has chosen a fixed point and centered the footage on that instead.


That is why you see the framing around the edge of the video jumping all around and not the image itself.


It appears the bottom of the helmet was chosen for the center point of the X - Y axis would be my guess.





 
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: zorgon on September 06, 2012, 09:04:24 pm
Green Screen (later filled with Hills and black sky)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/ig264_walk_moon_imax_14.jpg)

Puppet on a String

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/ig264_walk_moon_imax_12.jpg)

Odd looking "sun" behind the Astronot yet they are lit up on front

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/ig264_walk_moon_imax_01.jpg)

[youtube]K1Zy2BkRv9Q[/youtube]
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: deuem on September 07, 2012, 01:44:46 am

That's more an argument for why one should seek out a government contract despite one's own incompetence than it is an argument against the USA being able to fake a LEM.

And ultimately what you are saying is that because one man failed to do a thing, that the thing couldn't be done.  That is just bogus. You are effectively saying that the nation which landed men on the moon couldn't convince the only people that matter that we landed men on the moon. The soviets don't matter. The chinese don't matter. If some Russian or Chicom got on TV and said we didn't land on the moon, they'd be laughed at.

No not really, What I am saying is that why in the world would anyone with billions of dollars use a scale model when they have the full size rigs. Anytime I have processed a model, it shows. Think about it, why would they do something that silly if they had the real toys? Please look at details and not the bla bla. See how every single screw and stich is correct and then it matches to the real ones.
 
Even the best movie makes in the world always go full scale when ever they can. They only scale it down or go RC when they have no money.
 
When those guys are in the suits and at pressure, the arms and legs are hard to bend. They sort of stay where ever you put them. They also have seat belts on. So to remain attached in one place can be done.  So far I see nothing that is a smoking gun. Just typical film maker doing his best to get free ad time. There is not one ounce of scientific proof to go along wit it. Sorry but show that to me, not just the hoop-la.
 
So, even the best of models, the ones that take years to build, never stand up to the real thing at real scale. If this was a fake video, please think full scale and no RC as this film guy is saying. Simple, just ask why?   deuem
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: deuem on September 07, 2012, 01:46:24 am


I thought I should also mention that the footage in the OP has been artificially stabilized.

Instead of the image bouncing around as it was originally photographed, someone has chosen a fixed point and centered the footage on that instead.


That is why you see the framing around the edge of the video jumping all around and not the image itself.


It appears the bottom of the helmet was chosen for the center point of the X - Y axis would be my guess.

Well, that will keep him pinned to his seat for sure. Nice catch A51. I missed that one.  Deuem
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 07, 2012, 03:28:27 am

So, even the best of models, the ones that take years to build, never stand up to the real thing at real scale. If this was a fake video, please think full scale and no RC as this film guy is saying. Simple, just ask why?   deuem

I'm not saying that they used models, but if it was being faked in a studio, then it isn't a real LEM, it is a prop/full-scale model made of a LEM or made therefrom.

But I agree with you, they probably would have used the real ones to fake it.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Littleenki on September 07, 2012, 07:27:46 am
My two cents...
As an experienced rc model guy for decads now, I can say of all the cars Ive built and ran, that video doesnt show a model, but a full sized vehicle.
Now, if its rc, thats to be guessed, but the suspension travel and dirt flung up from the tires is nothing like a model at speed..even if they changed the film speed.

A model is way more bouncy and reactive to big suspension movements, and would have flipped on a few of those bumps.

The guy on the video doesnt look to real, but as dueum poses, those suits are very stiff.

What got me was the shakiness of the second camera in the video, and how the camera filming the other didnt shake as much....the one on the drivers lap shakes like crazy!

And the set looks so fake its pathetic...poor setup and mockup of the supposed moon surface.

I have to surmise, this video was staged with full size parts, to hide the real video which was taken on the moon...theres probably something there they just couldnt blot out, as there wouldnt have been any image left after said blotting.

BAD NASA!
(slaps nasas hand)
Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: ArMaP on September 07, 2012, 02:06:10 pm
I recall we were going to look at those once upon a time :D
So do I, but I was younger then. ;D

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Something is not right... I think the backgrounds were added in later :P  Just like THIS one :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/Apollo_11_006.jpg)
Those hills looks terribly fake.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: ArMaP on September 07, 2012, 02:17:11 pm
From what I could see the images came from this movie (http://archive.org/details/Apollo1616mmOnboardFilm).

I suggest (for those that can) the download of the MPEG1 version. :)
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 07, 2012, 02:55:40 pm
Peter Jackson could do a much better job down here in NZ.   :D
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 07, 2012, 03:06:47 pm
Peter Jackson LOL :D

There are still a few places on earth that i want to visit.
Belgrado, the Tesla museum.
The shao-lin temples.
Giza.
Those beautiful hills & forests in NZ where they filmed 'lord of the rings'.
I wanted to go there before that film was even made.
Say hello to the Mauri for me, like this... :P

Back on topic, is this an RC model or not?

I don't really think so, but there's something fake about it anyway.
For the above reasons i think they faked it, the how is not as important as the why, IMO....
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on September 07, 2012, 03:19:48 pm
Peter Jackson LOL :D

There are still a few places on earth that i want to visit.
Belgrado, the Tesla museum.
The shao-lin temples.
Giza.
Those beautiful hills & forests in NZ where they filmed 'lord of the rings'.
I wanted to go there before that film was even made.
Say hello to the Mauri for me, like this... :P

Back on topic, is this an RC model or not?

I don't really think so, but there's something fake about it anyway.
For the above reasons i think they faked it, the how is not as important as the why, IMO....

I don't think it was RC either but the Film industry Technology was not very good in those days.

The Cracks are starting to show as Tech. progresses.

But this does NOT mean NO Human has walked on the Moon !

From the Little I know, John Lear seems to be well informed.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 07, 2012, 03:27:34 pm
He is, and i believe him (even though we have a difference of opinion about element 115) i greatly admire the work he has done.

The clincher for me was not the Apollo missions, but the film from sts48, i know exactly what i saw there...
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: A51Watcher on September 07, 2012, 08:36:01 pm

Well, that will keep him pinned to his seat for sure...



Indeed.


Also, if you watch the ground instead of him and the vehicle, I see a few points where the ground is warping in and out in a very odd manner.


Definately some processing techniques at work here.




I am all for stabilization of shaky footage, just keep that fact in mind while examining footage for odd behaviours.



Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Pimander on September 08, 2012, 03:04:59 am
The clincher for me was not the Apollo missions, but the film from sts48, i know exactly what i saw there...
Interesting clip mate.... Exactly what did you see here then?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJg8LeFqfI[/youtube]
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Littleenki on September 08, 2012, 05:51:00 am
Interesting clip mate.... Exactly what did you see here then?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJg8LeFqfI[/youtube]

Small UFO comes into bottom left middle of frame at 2:17 then hovers over the electrical storm...recharging perhaps?
Le
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Pimander on September 08, 2012, 08:01:04 am
Those hills looks terribly fake.
I wonder why that is. ::)
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Littleenki on September 08, 2012, 08:02:36 am
Plaster of paris?
Le
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 08, 2012, 09:02:18 am
Plaster of paris?
Le

From the Apollo 14 transcripts:

(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/8006/apollo14plasterofparis.jpg)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: deuem on September 08, 2012, 11:29:48 pm
When someone comes up with real hard evideence and can take it to the supreme court and win, then I wil believe this. What is going on is nothing more than a few people trying to get their 5 minutes of fame and millions of others fall for the magic trick and start to guess if things were real or not. Rather they went or not is up to your own mind to figure out. But snake oil salesmen are after making money on books no matter who has to pay the price.
 
Also never have I seen anyone go after any real facts, like the 1,000 experiments or data collected. Everyone stops at the video. Ok, what if there was no video, then what?
 
Yes there were plaster casts made of the moon, Yes Disney was in on the construction. Yes Van B and Walt made a movie together. So what? Yes they blew up fields out west, east and made Earth craters, Yes they did filming in studios over and over again.  All of this is called practice. Do you know how many times the snake oil guys use a practice tape and doctor it up to fake you out? Oh boy, they are all over the place.  If it is your intension to prove thay faked it, then do a fantastic job and come up with 100% proof and file it against the US government in the Supreme court. When you win, we will listen.
 
What we all should be doing is wondering how we are going to get back there. Who cares about the past, you should worry about the future and what should we do now. Let me ask you? Even if you found out it was 100% fake, what are you going to do about it, Get your money back? Everyone in government lies about everything, you all know that. Either go with the flow or elect people that will stop it. That is your only option now.
 
I must have spent, should say wasted over 500 hours on apollo and never found anything 100% wrong. The deeper I got, the better info I found. I stopped because I figured I was wasting my time. I should have spent that time on something that helps, and not hurts.
 
In the end because of all of the bs presented and the current HiTech with CGI, even if we went now, no one would believe it. Everyone would call fake! CGI! Even if some people went they would claim they werre drugged and given false memories. Our world has been turned over to tabloids.....
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 09, 2012, 04:02:38 am
Everyone stops at the video. Ok, what if there was no video, then what?


No other nations have imaged the Apollo mission artifacts. Only NASA probes have ever seen the Apollo landers.
If you were to only use the data provided by other space agencies, you'd never knew men walked on the moon, that they drove rovers around, left tracks and so forth.  It is like a court using only the bits of evidence which have been hand-picked by the defendant, and evidence of unprovable provenance at that.

The reflector argument is also bogus as the soviets and Americans both landed robotic science mission on the lunar surface. All that scientific data could be from robotic missions. This also means the tracks could have been faked by robots.

Add in the fact that only a few diehard patriots would be able to determine if the data was simulated or not (see below) and you've got a great test for your intellectual honesty. You either admit that the nation who you believe landed men on the moon could fake it and that no one else can prove it yet, or you prove your intellectual dishonesty and simply give in to your patriotism, denying the truths which indicate the great possibility for deception insofar as Apollo is concerned. 

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

...Said Aristotle. 

You can entertain the ideas and methods of how this thing might have been faked and even acknowledge that it could have been faked without ever saying that it was faked.


Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: deuem on September 09, 2012, 09:05:26 am
The only part of the entire program we can take for granted is that a lot of Saturn rockets blasted off from the cape. The moment they are out of eye sight we have to assume what is in them and where they arre going. So yes to the acknowlegement that it all could be fake and just done for the cameras. Since I have never stepped foot on the moon nor taken close up photos of it, This is another assumpsion of what it reall looks like.
 
So it all boils down to faith in what they did or anger for what they did not do. The deeper I probed, the more I was impressed. If this is fake it is not skin deep, it is fake right to the bone. Every nut and bolt.
 
I tryed to prove that there were astronauts in the ISS. I could not do it either. I know it is there, we can even see it but is it really manned? Everything they feed us is thrird to tenth party information. What happens in the middle is anyones guess. Deuem
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Littleenki on September 09, 2012, 09:34:06 am
Wise words, Dueum, and what makes me question anything the NASA guys or our so called leaders say is the track record they have for lying and hiding the facts through the years.

Who can really say whats out there unless they see it for themselves with a good quality telescope.

Ive used a nice Celestron 8 numerous times, and havent seen any aliens or spaceships, and that sucker can really zoom in on distant objects.

As for the moon landing..Im not convinced, and Im not in disagreement whether it happened, so as we do in research..Ill wait for due diligence on someones part to break the cycle of did or didnt...I personally dont have nearly enough evidence either way to decide.

Wheres my fence pillow? :D

Le
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Pimander on September 09, 2012, 09:41:13 am
My two cents....

While I do not rule out the possibility that men have been to the Moon (they very likely have), or even rule out that Apollo actually happened exactly how NASA claim (very unlikely), think about the following.

There was a lot of political and financial pressure to go to the Moon.

You options are:-

1.  It was very risky indeed and difficult to send humans then let alone now.  If you don't believe me ask the Soviets - they gave up on the idea.  Astronauts died before we even tried.  However, you could risk it and have a go.

2.  It was not that difficult to send humans into orbit and fake the footage - especially on NASA's budget -  (even if you did risk sending humans in secret).  This option would allow NASA/USA to justify spending 5% of national wealth for years and save political face.


If my neck AND NATIONAL PRIDE was on the block, I'd take option 2 to cover my arse.  In fact, you'd be a complete idiot to only take option 1.


Now, is it really so surprising that there is some suspect footage?
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: ArMaP on September 09, 2012, 02:07:36 pm
No other nations have imaged the Apollo mission artifacts. Only NASA probes have ever seen the Apollo landers.
That's true, but at least one non NASA mission (Kaguya/Selene) has photographed the area where Apollo 15 supposedly landed and the area shows the expected changes created by the exhaust. Also, the 3D images from Kaguya/Selene show the same view as the photos taken at the time.

(http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ls15.jpg)

PS: as anyone watched the original video that I posted some posts back?
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 09, 2012, 02:45:41 pm
This is all interesting stuff 8)

What i meant by the STS-48 film was this part of it:

[youtube]HwCGiXSihuc[/youtube]

If that isn't a particle beam weapon, then i'm a gardener...
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: zorgon on September 09, 2012, 03:29:11 pm
Kaguya/Selene

Kaguya/Selene images and videos look like poor CGI :P

They call this Top HDTV  Seriously?

(http://www.kaguya.jaxa.jp/image/Top_HDTV.jpg)
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: ArMaP on September 09, 2012, 04:32:16 pm
Kaguya/Selene images and videos look like poor CGI :P
At least they look better than that image with the fake hills you posted. :)

And I don't think the photos look like CGI, what looks like CGI is those 3D images, but that's because they are CGI.

As for the HDTV, I think NHK aired a movie made with the images taken by Kaguya/Selene, or at least I think that was the idea.
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: exuberant1 on September 10, 2012, 08:28:20 am
That's true, but at least one non NASA mission (Kaguya/Selene) has photographed the area where Apollo 15 supposedly landed and the area shows the expected changes created by the exhaust.

I am aware of these claims.

That alleged trail is accounted for by the theory I just outlined (ie, it's a robotic lander the same size as the descent stage of the LEM).
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Pimander on September 10, 2012, 08:46:02 am
This is all interesting stuff 8)

What i meant by the STS-48 film was this part of it:
Surely not?  That must mean you think that the ice particles and thruster on the shuttle explanation is contrived and hard to believe.  God you conspiracy theorists are just so hard to deflect.   :o

Why don't you just mindlessly accept every "explanation" served up?  What's wrong with you all? :P
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on September 10, 2012, 12:06:12 pm
just call me stupid :D

I prefer the "non-existent" space based weapons platform from Reagans years, that was never finished and never went up there and never fired on those 2 ufo's, causing them to go into reverse at Mach 15' conspiracy

Since the 2 flashes of light, the ufo's instant reaction to it, the 2 particle beams (coming from the same direction as the light source and travelling considerably less than C but enough to punch a hole in something) all never happened, it must have been ice particles.

Baaaa
 :-X
Title: Re: Lunar rover on the moon. Is it an RC model?
Post by: Pimander on September 10, 2012, 12:26:55 pm
I'm going to have to resign as a Man in Black prospect at this rate.  >:(

 :o