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US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« on: October 07, 2017, 06:04:40 pm »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41419906

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A school district in Louisiana has vowed to punish players who refuse to stand for the US national anthem, as other schools weigh in on the debate.

In their decision, the Bossier Parish School Board cited "respect and reverence" for the military, a spokesperson told the BBC.

A number of National Football League (NFL) players have protested after being attacked by the US president.

Activists say the law bans schools from punishing non-disruptive protesters.

In Louisiana, the head of Parkway High School wrote a letter on Thursday morning to parents and students vowing to suspend or remove from sports teams anyone who demonstrates while the national anthem is played.

"Failure to comply will result in a loss of playing time and/or participation as directed by the head coach and principal. Continued failure to comply will result in removal from the team," principal Waylon Bates wrote.

This is transparent and incontrovertible fascism.

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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
 
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
 
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
 
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
 
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

 
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
 
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
 
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
 
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
 
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
 
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
 
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
 
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
 
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
 
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I know there are numerous veterans and members of law enforcement who read this forum; and I am also aware that, as a consequence, you may feel that enforced participation in nationalistic pageantry is a good thing.  I would encourage you, however, to remember that such ceremony was one of the most prominent and visible characteristics of Nazism.

Expressions of gratitude towards fallen soldiers are one thing; but I do not consider it an expression of gratitude, to adopt the very same behavioural practices that were engaged in by the enemy that said soldiers lost their lives to defeat.  Moments of silence must be private and entirely voluntary; that which is public and enforced is neither authentic or sincere, by definition.  This post is not intended as a blanket condemnation of expressions of patriotism; merely the enforced and authoritarian variety.

Reverence of the military serves several functions within dictatorial and non-free societies.  Aside from anything else, it is a strong appeal to human emotion, which can be used to disable critical thinking, and discourage the public from questioning governmental behaviour.  Fascists also greatly value enforced unity, because large, cohesive groups of people can be more effectively used to subjugate and exploit smaller ones.

I have never been an advocate of Hillary Clinton.  I consider her one of the most deliberately and conscientiously psychopathic human beings that I have ever heard of; and as such, it was necessary for her to lose the election, and a miracle that she did.  On the other hand, however, I have never had my eyes closed with regards to Trump.  He may have been the lesser of two evils, but he is still thoroughly, and increasingly unquestionably fascist; and I consider it very likely that his Presidency will see the genuine end of the Jeffersonian Republic.
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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 06:39:18 pm »
Some people consider the Pledge of Allegiance to be idolatry.  And why does the national anthem need to be played for a football game?  Not to mention, the tune was originally a drinking song.  Yeah, I want to worship a piece of cloth, and sing new lyrics, to an old drinking song.

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2017, 05:04:34 am »
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes.
He didn't examine the longest running fascist regime, the Salazar regime?
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On topic, how "nice" of them, punishing people for protesting.

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 06:01:42 am »
For what its worth..Naziism wasnt something to be proud of Petrus. Being a true American is.

There is not one nation on this earth like the USA, and that simple fact sticks in the craw of those who dont live here or wish they did.

It isnt perfect, and sure, its got its flaws, but anyone who stops and sees the whole picture for a spell can see that it is still the best place to live hands down.

All one has to do here, regardless of race or upbringing, is to apply themselves as productive and competent to perform simple tasks and duties, ie working for a goal of being able to interact in said society as a valued member, and receive compensation for their efforts in the form of capital and increasing control over their particular part of the whole.

Those who choose to wallow in a dark room in front of a monitor all day complaining about their situation or what they perceive to be "wrong with society" ironically are what is actually wrong with society.

Society is the way it is, it wont change dramatically in the lifespan of the average human, but it can gradually be improved and polished through trials and tribulations of its members.

As for standing for the Anthem...it makes sense to raise children with as much information as we can, but remember, some of that information informs us that we are the nation we are because of our loyalty to the system we have set in place.

By not standing, as is accepted to be the societal norm for the most part, a child is not showing they disagree with the current format we are immersed in, they are showing they have been trained and raised to reject that which has allowed them and their families to have a shot at being a part of the best society on the planet to be a part of.

Parenting and education systems can often be the source of perpetuated disdain for one's surroundings, but even if a fish does not like the flavor of the water he swims in, he understands he must still continue to breath it to thrive.

Once the cycle of perpetuity is broken, only then can progress be made towards bettering this society, and all this caterwauling between liberals and conservatives does nothing more than keep the dust flying, instead of settling so we can see the clear path.

Come outside, ditch the computer screens for a day or two, interact with your peers, and then, if you feel you must run back to your computer and type out never ending lamentings of how its all wrong, or we are hellbent on our own destruction, please do so with the understanding that most who see it will likely not agree with your views but feel sorry for you knowing that you believe it.

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 06:23:30 am »
What is the fate of a nation that cannot distinguish between trivia and things of great importance?

Apparently, we're finding out - and there seems to be no diverting from whatever fate that blindness generates.

And both liberals and conservatives are guilty of it - whether waving the flag or idiotic 'pussy hat'  protests. I am simply STUNNED that healthcare for a family in the US costs $18K a year with little or no protest.  I am stunned that the US can destroy an entire nation for no particular reason and it doesn't even come up as an election issue (Libya).
AND THEN say North Korea is "crazy" for needing nukes !

How do we fix 'engineering-style' problems ( problems that take great attention to details over many years) such as healthcare, debt, military procurement, infrastructure, the economy, and much more?  Answer: we don't, apparently.  Elect a woman or a black guy or a businessman or a transgendered single mother amputee (according to taste) and see if anything changes.

Me? I'm trying to reason out how to deal with this SmartPhone/StupidPerson culture.  Get as independent as you can as quickly as you can.

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 12:00:52 pm »
By not standing, as is accepted to be the societal norm for the most part, a child is not showing they disagree with the current format we are immersed in, they are showing they have been trained and raised to reject that which has allowed them and their families to have a shot at being a part of the best society on the planet to be a part of.
You know what they think? Amazing.

The anthem is a symbol, and like any other symbol, is a common target for protests, like the flag. When someone does not act as expected by the "societal norm" they may be protesting against that same "societal norm" and all that it means.

By punishing people that do not agree with the "societal norm" and protest against it, what are they punishing, the fact that they do not agree with it or the fact they made a public manifestation of their disagreement? Can't people have a different opinion? Can't people voice their opinion, in words or acts? Do they want just opinion less robots that accept everything?

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 07:22:22 pm »
Do they want just opinion less robots that accept everything?

Well, yes.  And just as the players have rights to express their opinions, so do the owners and so do the fans.

Actually, we should be appalled by the stupidity of players who don't grasp that they have a rich privileged position they can lose if they 'don't play along'.  Most people in Hollywood and in politics and in corporate life quickly understand this collusion but these jocks aren't trained for their intellect.  I also understand that Kaepernick has now backed down and is willing to give in.  Oh, well....

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2017, 06:09:38 am »
"Me? I'm trying to reason out how to deal with this SmartPhone/StupidPerson culture.  Get as independent as you can as quickly as you can."

Yes, Eighthman, its a serious issue indeed, it appears to have been ushered in as a world of 24/7 connectivity and access to all things great and small, but alas, the people have found the most idiotic use for these amazing devices in staring incessantly into it as they walk into traffic...seems to me Darwin might run out of trophies if this keeps up..lol

As for children standing, sitting, kneeling for the National Anthem, or Pledge of Allegiance...whatever might be done, at that age it is parents who instill the decisions the children make for the most part, and educators are a close second as role models. My point was, until children think for themselves they are prey to whatever they see and experience, even when they dont understand the many factors that created the specific views of what they see, hear, or are told.

And, No, Armap, I dont expect you to understand the feeling a true American has in any way shape or form, and you never will, until you are born here, schooled here, serve in our armed forces here, and become a productive, positive member of the US society.

Trust me..spend a day here meeting people of all walks of life as I do, and you will see we are far from a bunch of opinionless robots, even though many of those opinions may not be the best choice for the particular subject..ever heard of Facebook? lol

So, as for those children...I DO know what they are thinking, since I personally went through the selfsame life as an American child and teenager to adulthood here in this great country.

Noone is being punished for anything, theyre just being reminded strongly that even though they have freedom to do things like disrespect the flag and anthem that represents the US,  someone who does so is frowned upon by the majority of its citizens.

Methinks many who arent living in the US are lapping up too much of the news they see about whats going on here, and are assuming all Americans are in an uproar and complaining about gender roles, race differences, who is armed, etc.... when these folks really are a tiny segment of the entire population of the US.

Just like the news here that shows Europe overrun with muslim hordes..whereas one might actually be in Europe for weeks and not see one "refugee" at all.

What was that someone once said about all things being relative to the observer?

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2017, 06:46:26 am »
Do they want just opinion less robots that accept everything?

Well, yes.  And just as the players have rights to express their opinions, so do the owners and so do the fans.

Actually, we should be appalled by the stupidity of players who don't grasp that they have a rich privileged position they can lose if they 'don't play along'.  Most people in Hollywood and in politics and in corporate life quickly understand this collusion but these jocks aren't trained for their intellect.  I also understand that Kaepernick has now backed down and is willing to give in.  Oh, well....
Seems his main squeeze set him straight. He said he didn't say that. He didn't have any opinions before he met her. My understanding is she's very political and a lefty.
 
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2017, 03:15:55 pm »
My point was, until children think for themselves they are prey to whatever they see and experience, even when they dont understand the many factors that created the specific views of what they see, hear, or are told.
I was thinking for myself when I was 9 years old, that article talks about a high school, so I hope they already learned how to think for themselves.

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And, No, Armap, I dont expect you to understand the feeling a true American has in any way shape or form, and you never will, until you are born here, schooled here, serve in our armed forces here, and become a productive, positive member of the US society.
I'm sure I don't understand the feeling of a true American (whatever that may be), and that's exactly for that reason that I didn't comment about that. I don't even pretend to understand the feelings of a Portuguese. :)

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Trust me..spend a day here meeting people of all walks of life as I do, and you will see we are far from a bunch of opinionless robots, even though many of those opinions may not be the best choice for the particular subject..ever heard of Facebook? lol
I didn't say you are mindless robots, I asked if they (the school) wants mindless robots.

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So, as for those children...I DO know what they are thinking, since I personally went through the selfsame life as an American child and teenager to adulthood here in this great country.
Do you mean that nothing changed since you were a child and that the life of an American child today is the same as it was when you were a child? And that their parents educated them in the same way your parents educated you?

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Noone is being punished for anything, theyre just being reminded strongly that even though they have freedom to do things like disrespect the flag and anthem that represents the US,  someone who does so is frowned upon by the majority of its citizens.
The Parkway High School principal said they would "lose playing time and/or participation" and if they kept on doing it it would "result in removal from the team", that's not punishment? It's at least more than just being "frowned upon".

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Methinks many who arent living in the US are lapping up too much of the news they see about whats going on here, and are assuming all Americans are in an uproar and complaining about gender roles, race differences, who is armed, etc.... when these folks really are a tiny segment of the entire population of the US.
Your thinking is wrong, at least when applied to myself and those with who I talk every day.

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 04:55:51 pm »
And, No, Armap, I dont expect you to understand the feeling a true American has in any way shape or form, and you never will, until you are born here, schooled here, serve in our armed forces here, and become a productive, positive member of the US society.

I was comparing an event which has actually taken place, with a list of the known prerequisites of totalitarian government, which were themselves taken from a comparitive study of multiple governments which had become totalitarian.

LE, I've admitted that there is no way that I can have anything close to a completely accurate perspective about America, due to the fact that I don't live there.  We both know that.

I do not, however, think that it is reasonable to try and claim (at this point at least) that online and physical reality are completely seperate from each other.  All of the online indications that I am seeing at the moment, are more disturbing than anything I have ever seen before, and I have been watching for 20 years now.

If you are wondering why I care so much, it is because, apart from anything else, Australia is very largely an American client state at this point.  This means that in general, trends which begin in America have a way of being imported here.  Given that, if America is about to complete the transition into an openly, incontrovertibly fascist state, (and the online evidence I have seen for that, again is close to overwhelming at this point) then as an Australian citizen, that is cause for extreme alarm.

The fate of our two countries has become very interconnected at this point; which means that some of us earnestly keep an eye on what happens where the American government is concerned.  If said government looks as though it is about to go rogue to a historically exceptional degree, then there is always the risk in our minds that our own government might decide to do the same thing.
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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2017, 06:10:07 pm »
Petrus, I hate to tell you this, but from our perspective over here, Oz is a lot farther along that path you dread than we are; we still have the right to bear arms and legally own them  8)

I also agree with LE; online reality and physical reality is far from being the same; with the plethora of fake info flowing freely every day, take those trends you see with a grain of salt

As far as the school protests, that is caused by what the parents and some of the teachers are instilling in those young skulls full of mush; we all learned by what we observed and by example

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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2017, 06:48:09 pm »
Thanks Seeker.  I like your answer.  What I am thinking, I cannot put on here because I don't want to really start anything.  I am amazed at how much people do not understand not being here.  But, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2017, 04:59:40 am »

It is great watching this discussion unfold from the sidelines, as I understand this, the NFL Players are protesting the Police brutality that has been widely reported,  and a lot of US citizens see this protest as a insult to the Flag and Anthem?

By players who are in there own right millionaires? and because they are millionaires it seen as a abuse of their status?  but how else would the players and people then raise this issue when lamestream media wont either cover the legal protests on the streets, or the media will only cover the protests but only the parts that disintegrate into violence -

So maybe the players are monopolising the TV coverage to get around the media bias ? to get the message across.

I saw it reported that a number of the same football players and teams had done a lot to raise money for the victims of the Hurricane's that smashed into Texas and Florida, although that wasn't covered very much.

And now schools in the US are taking a hard-line against similar protests by children, are these protests covered by the Freedom Of Speech amendment ? OR are they illegal protests?

In the UK this weekend there was a protest against terrorism by 50,000 Brit Football Fans and it didn't get any TV coverage - even thought it was in London, a couple of news papers covered the event but apart from seeing it on line on Facebook I had no clue it was on -



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Talking about the Zombie Nation that this generation are very much apart of, I have been amazed at the amount of time that H's daughter is on her smart-phone, and the amount of snap-chat images she and her friends take in a evening is beyond ridiculous, it seems every 10 min's they are posting images of what they are doing, we have a rule now at the dinner table, when we are having a meal together that there are no phones allowed..  boy can she bolt her food down!

I hide her phone one morning and she nearly had a melt down  ;D

I don't know if it is the same in Aussie and the US, but trying to get a meaningful conversation out of one of today's young-un's is almost impossible  :-[  this I think is not going to change anytime soon and will indeed get much worse..  I dread to think what the young adults of the next generation will be like  :o



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Re: US schools crackdown on anthem protests
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2017, 09:09:33 am »
Now thats the Armap reply Im used to, why do you think I parse my posts into easy to quote sentences and short paragraphs? lol

As for opinions....your last quote, on how my thinking is wrong..and how you represent and speak for the people you meet everyday..is an opinion.

Perhaps youve been presented with suggestions and information that differs from your own, but I stand by my comments in that post, regardless of how you choose to decipher the meanings within.

And yes, parents and educators here are still the same as decades ago, tasked with formulating little Timmy's worldview, and the only change it seems is a propensity towards more liberal, even socialist/communistic patterns of thinking.

Not many who arent from here get these tenets, and as I said, I dont expect them too, but what I do expect is that due diligence should be employed....such as: spending some time here and experiencing American culture and customs might help you to understand where so many of us who have pride in what has been done here in less than 300 years, and how most nations, have had twice or even three times that long to achieve what we have here, yet have not.

To me, a nation which makes almost anything possible for almost anyone, is worthy of an anthem or pledge, and those who benefit from that possibility are crapping on what they have been given, when they outwardly protest or denegrate that which these anthems and pledges stand for.

Again, America aint perfect, but it does provide the freedom for people to exceed the norm, or change the paradigm, even with a corrupt government at the helm, like we saw with the Bush, And Obama administrations, and current deep state behavior.

Through all that even, Americans are safer, better protected, and free to say anything they want due to certain parts of its constitution, and in my opinion, thats why so many non US citizens abroad seek chinks in the armor of the US, since misery loves company.

And...for people who are given all of this, to crap on it, or perceive some slightly or non existent oppression or public viewpoint which is not in touch with reality deserves frowning upon, shaming, removal from appointed office, or downright punishment.

Nuff said.

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