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Title: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 01, 2014, 04:51:47 pm
Are we really like this on the Earth.

Maybe Arthur C Clark


(http://www.techfestival.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/arthur-clarke.jpg)



was not so far of the mark ?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9woRJ7-mD7Y[/youtube]


We still see this response in many on Earth today, in some form or other.

Often disguised as supposedly, 'Human Observation' and 'Intelligence'.


And Power is still seen as ....


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM6OIlreneA[/youtube]



We see it Science, we see it in Politics, we see it in religion, we see it on the net, and in fact we see it
right throughout Humanity.... in one form or other.

Today we use weapons of 'mass destruction', tomorrow ? ? ?


Time for a new approach ....  :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 05:25:27 pm
Matrix, I suspect that you suggest that humans today may have similar responses  as the Apes shown in the movie 2001 if they were to come across certain new unexplained  things at sometime in their life !

and that you are not just referring to what may happen to anyone who may come across a Monolith !

When I was 16 yrs old, I came across what seemed like a 20 to 30 foot monilith rising out of a 6 foot deep canal...with a friend at about 1 am in the morning on a local canal and we later ran away after it had done some strange things and started to come towards us  !  I didn't act like the Monkeys in 2001 !   :o


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We still see this response in many on Earth today, in some form or other.

Often disguised as supposedly, 'Human Observation' and 'Intelligence'.


And Power is still seen as ..


I wonder what that new approach maybe ?  :-\

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We see it Science, we see it in Politics, we see it in religion, we see it on the net, and in fact we see it
right throughout Humanity.... in one form or other.

Today we use weapons of 'mass destruction', tomorrow ? ? ?


Time for a new approach ..
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 01, 2014, 06:13:39 pm
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and we later ran away after it had done some strange things and started to come towards us  !  I didn't act like the Monkeys in 2001 !   :o

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we later ran away

WHY ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 07:11:37 pm
At the time it was the strangest thing that I think any of us had ever witnessed personally...and may still be so....or at least one of my top 3 in my life so far...

We were both keen Fishermen...and had walked to a place about a mile away where when you walked over a bridge near a major food factory and looked down... you could see all sorts of fish off various sizes...some that seemed huge back then as teenagers...that was our attraction on why we were on the canal...

On our return the conditions were It was late, Dark, Still..Initially a calm appearance on a canal with reflections of lights from surrounding industrial lighting hitting the canal...

All of a sudden as I am walking to a place where the canal splits 3 ways.. I start to see the water moving with gental waves... We get to the 3 way split and look into the centre, and we see a object very slowly rising out of the canal...and I saw it go from a few feet upto well over 20 feet..in what was a 6 foot deep canal...or at least that is what we believed it to be as we had fished it and checked its depth both before and after that day...

When it peaked... it then very slowly tilted and laid flat on the canal...It then moved across to the far side...it turned and seemed to stay lodged along the far bank..

All what we witnessed between seeing the object rise out of the water that did look very much like the monolith...(Maybbe due to its front appearing very black with the back ground light effect of surrounding industry lighting) and it all seemed to occur in slow motion...that what I can always strongly recall..we were between 50 to 200 feet away from it...

If I recall we later measured the average width of the canal close to that area to be about on average 40 to 50 foot wide...but the 3 waters area varied and was wider in parts...This object seemed at least half the length or more of the canal width..hence it may have been 30 foot in length...Hard to say what width, but id guess maybe between 3 to 5 feet wide..

It then turned and started coming towards us...

There was NO noise what so ever... and we had no clue what this thing was...

It put fear into us, so we ran....

We considered calling the police but did not...

Next day we walked a mile or more in all 3 directions on the canal and found nothing to resemble what we witnessed...


Fear and the unknown, is why we ran I would say !

It took me over 20 yrs to come up with possible reasons as to what may answer what it was ?
and that is only a theory !



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WHY ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 01, 2014, 07:52:56 pm
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Fear and the unknown, is why we ran I would say !

Exactly what I am getting at ....

A whole NEW Approach is required, instead of acting through Human 'Superstition',
'Suspicion', 'Imagination', 'Fear', 'Ignorance', and anything else the human 'Primate' uses
to run away from WHAT is really going on.   :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 08:07:01 pm
It seems that the human Primate has fear built in to them...Maybe as we are a Program and that's part of it is it not..

We  can have numerous fears at various levels..

Infact I was wondering only the other day, JUST HOW High can ones fear actually get....

Ive had some fears arise in my mind lately..some coming back from my past..that do in some ways badly effect me...

But compared to some peoples fears, mine don't qualify ! IMO...

Somethings, as I am wiser, I no longer think I could face without having a heart attack and dying... yet some people deal with them everyday...

How fear can effect our health and well being as humans is quite remarkable..

Some can seem to deal with very fearful situations with relative ease while others can dwell and a molehill and make a mountain of it..

Maybe its all in our mind and perception..and can be controlled..

Fear level can depend upon various situations and conditions on various days....and how one may be feeling at the time something may occur as to how we deal with it....

Quite a subject that Im sure that the military & likes of the CIA would have studied in great detail.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 01, 2014, 09:05:44 pm
No Species controls anything but ONLY has 'Choice', involving Options available at any one moment
and that is determined by the Book we experience.

Fear can be productive IF used in the correct way, but fear of 'Fear' arises from ignorance. (NOT knowing)

In 'fear' we can run, or in 'fear' we can stay and Learn.

Because many believe to be 'human', when in fact we are not, but ONLY experiencing the human Primate.

Our 'Real Self', a 'Partition of LIFE' which can't die, like the 'flesh', are no longer aware of this,
believing that some how they will die.


The biggest Shock in my experiences, was coming to know DEATH, (as such)
is nothing more than a Human 'Myth' bathed in Ignorance.

Yes the human body certainly stops functioning, but the 'LIFE Partition' (Your Real 'Self') continues.

The Consequences of this, taught me to take more notice of what I am experiencing, and Treasure LIFE
on a whole new Level, and no longer flee from anything but rather stay and Experience
WHAT I am meant to ....  :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 09:32:45 pm
I used to question, what could be more fearful than the thought of death !

Somethings actually seem to be more fearful than death at times...that seems hard to explain..if such a thing could be a possibility !....

Could I face a group of individuals who may wish me major harm...is that more fearful than death itself...say if they intended to totally disable me without  actually killing me.. Maybe Id prefer to die ! than meet such a situation ..

It has been said by some that public speaking can put a huge fear in people next to being physically harmed...
and that maybe the case if one is unable to prepare and maybe also if they have not attempted to gradually get used to doing it...say in small stages...to gain the experience and feeling of it....Jumping right in without such preparation may well cause a person major embarrassment and stress... But that's purely a mental hurdle..

IF we were to face physical danger..such as in war.. or at the hands of those who may intend harm to us...

Then..our fear may well be different...

So Matrix, if you faced a phyical confrontation as I describe....Would you still say that you would not flee or run and face upto what  that experience may become ? Would you then say as it maybe meant to be Ill stay and face it whatever the likely consequences !

I myself would try to take what I think is my safest option to best preserve my self if possible...coward or not....(During my late teens / early 20s I may have had no fear and it may have been a totally different perception.)

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The Consequences of this, taught me to take more notice of what I am experiencing, and Treasure LIFE
on a whole new Level, and no longer flee from anything but rather stay and Experience
WHAT I am meant to ....
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 01, 2014, 11:59:10 pm
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So Matrix, if you faced a phyical confrontation as I describe....Would you still say that you would not flee or run and face upto what  that experience may become ? Would you then say as it maybe meant to be Ill stay and face it whatever the likely consequences !

I see you place your priorities on, what you believe to be physical.   :)

But the illusion of the physical is but a shadow in a twinkling of an eye compared to the Eternity of LIFE.

To Answer your quest Astr0; NO I wouldn't, as there is nowhere to Run to !    :)


Where do hope to find somewhere safe ?


It's NOT about 'Safety' !

What harm can any species do to me, outside WHAT you believe to be your Reality ?

No one even knows WHERE I experience this world from, and it is impossible for any species to follow me there.   :)


We each have our 'Abode' in our own 'Partition'.


So my interests are NOT of your World, but the instead, where it has always been,
in WHAT some of the Ancients referred to as 'The Place of LIFE' where I experience all things from.   :)


The universe is made of the stuff of 'Dreams', and an incredible place to explore.   :)

Guess I will return again some day ?

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I myself would try to take what I think is my safest option to best preserve my self if possible..
coward or not....(During my late teens / early 20s I may have had no fear and it may have been
a totally different perception.)

You will ONLY find 'Safety' ....   'OUTSIDE' this Universe.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 02, 2014, 12:01:39 pm
I see you place your priorities on, what you believe to be physical.   :)

While being of the Human Primate Program... it is natural to me to believe that the physical exists...
I knew no different until you have suggested otherwise....

But the illusion of the physical is but a shadow in a twinkling of an eye compared to the Eternity of LIFE.

Is it is an illusion to believe that there is a physical or does the Program make me believe it ?

To Answer your quest Astr0; NO I wouldn't, as there is nowhere to Run to !    :)

I disagree....There is somewhere to run in the Human primate and earth program... its designed to offer places to run to ....

while in the Human primate Earth program, we know no different... Unless we are educated by the likes of you to learn that we are just avatars...

BUT even then... until we believe we have total undeniable proof and believe that what you tell us is truth... I cannot see how we would ever be able to trust that we may just be separate from our LIFE Mind Awareness..


Where do hope to find somewhere safe ?

Many places within the Earth Program !


It's NOT about 'Safety' !

Why do we seem to suffer pain and fear then that can end our human primate program say if we suffer what seems physical abuse or obtain illnesses like cancer.. ?

What harm can any species do to me, outside WHAT you believe to be your Reality ?

Throughout our earth / human primate program, it seems our own species and animals can cause us harm in terms of our avatars...

No one even knows WHERE I experience this world from, and it is impossible for any species to follow me there.   :)

If you purely just mean in terms of our consciousness awareness (that you say is LIFE) and if it exists in some unknown location.. then I understand....

BUT again... until we have undeniable believe and evidence...I think few human primates find that hard to accept....


We each have our 'Abode' in our own 'Partition'.


So my interests are NOT of your World, but the instead, where it has always been,
in WHAT some of the Ancients referred to as 'The Place of LIFE' where I experience all things from.   :)

Im still not sure WHY our present programs need to offer us fear and pain...or if future program will also continue to do so as well...or do we just suffer in this program ?


The universe is made of the stuff of 'Dreams', and an incredible place to explore.   :)

Im not sure if you mean our Universe or our / the  SOUL is an incredible place to explore... our universe is not what we are led to believe is what I thought you had told us and not that big..as we are led to think....BUT if its what may be seen as a infinate scale program.. then maybe it is seen as never ending...with numerous options and places to explore...

Guess I will return again some day ?

I thought you said we do not return when our avatars end... that we go to another new program, and do not return to our present one !
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 02, 2014, 01:52:54 pm
Hi Astr0 ...

From your last Post ...   :)

TMT
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Where do you hope to find somewhere safe ?

Astr0
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Many places within the Earth Program !

Then you ask this.

Astr0
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Why do we seem to suffer pain and fear then that can end our human primate program
say if we suffer what seems physical abuse or obtain illnesses like cancer.. ?

Contradicts your Previous answer ....  doesn't it ?   :(

TMT
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What harm can any species do to me, outside WHAT you believe to be your Reality ?

Astr0
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Throughout our earth / human primate program, it seems our own species and animals can cause us harm in terms of our avatars...

When you read and understand what I have written then you will be able to answer the Questions I present !

NOTE: I wrote Quote;

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What harm can any species do to me, outside WHAT you believe to be your Reality ?

TMT
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No one even knows WHERE I experience this world from, and it is impossible for any species
to follow me there.   

Astr0
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If you purely just mean in terms of our consciousness awareness (that you say is LIFE) and if it exists in some unknown location.. then I understand....

It would appear you are only able to assess, what you believe to be 'Dimensional'.

If something is 'Non Dimensional', a Location is NOT Relevant as 'Location' is an expression
of Dimension !

Astr0
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BUT again... until we have undeniable believe and evidence...I think few human primates find that hard to accept....

Possibly but that is your State ?

If you choose to follow after the 'Double Logic', present in the Human Genome ...

TMT
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We each have our 'Abode' in our own 'Partition'.

So my interests are NOT of your World, but the instead, where it has always been,
in WHAT some of the Ancients referred to as 'The Place of LIFE' where I experience all things from.

Astr0
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Im still not sure WHY our present programs need to offer us fear and pain...or if future program will also continue to do so as well...or do we just suffer in this program ?

I thought you said there are Safe places in the Earth Program ?

Now you are saying there isn't ? ? ?

You can't have it Both ways .... (That's 'Double Logic')   :)

TMT
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The universe is made of the stuff of 'Dreams', and an incredible place to explore.   

Astr0
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Im not sure if you mean our Universe or our / the  SOUL is an incredible place to explore...

This Universe (playground).

Astr0
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our universe is not what we are led to believe is what I thought you had told us and not that big..as we are led to think....BUT if its what may be seen as a infinate scale program.. then maybe it is seen as never ending...with numerous options and places to explore.

You obviously haven't understood what I have written.

The Software producing this Universe is based on 'Geometric Algorithms' which are have no End, but the size
is but a very small 'Image' in the 'Visual Cortex' of your brain...

Just how big, do you Imagine your 'Visual Cortex' to be ?

You ONLY assume, that what you experience in the Brain, is what is OUTSIDE that 'Processing Environment'.

Its a bit like that '1st Person' Computer game ...

The 'Software' looks nothing like the 'Images' involving the game appearing on screen now does it ?    :)

To Assume is to make an ass out of u and me ....  as the saying goes on Earth.

TMT
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Guess I will return again some day ?

Astr0
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I thought you said we do not return when our avatars end...

You thought wrong and are misquoting me Astr0 ...

May I suggest you read that area again and take notice of WHAT I write !

Astr0
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that we go to another new program, and do not return to our present one !

Another miss Quote by you Astr0;   :(

Some find the Earth to be like ...


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51EVxBEKg6L._SY300_.jpg)



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVeDx9fk60[/youtube]

As I have written and shown many times before ....   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 02, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
I am not sure I see the contradiction !

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Contradicts your Previous answer ....  doesn't it ? 


Im not sure what questions...the ref you related to may be more of a statement...

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When you read and understand what I have written then you will be able to answer the Questions I present !

If you were referring to LIFE MIND..I said I understood and do not disagree to your statement..

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It would appear you are only able to assess, what you believe to be 'Dimensional'.

If something is 'Non Dimensional', a Location is NOT Relevant as 'Location' is an expression
of Dimension !

Not sure what you mean by my state...
do you mean my decision or thought process in how I may think about about that point...

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Possibly but that is your State ?

If you choose to follow after the 'Double Logic', present in the Human Genome ...


I am not sure that I said there isn't a safe place in the earth program...not in terms of what the avatar may conclude if its thought process as it seems to understand by its logic goes within what is the Human Primate / Earth program terms...

Its only seen two ways if one compares it with the True mind (LIFE) which I was NOT referring to in those statements..

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I thought you said there are Safe places in the Earth Program ?

Now you are saying there isn't ? ? ?

You can't have it Both ways .... (That's 'Double Logic')   :)

so is this universe we experience seen as infinate in our programs ?

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This Universe (playground).


Im not sure that I do not understand....maybe not clear on some things...as I am sure it can be very complex and impossible to fully understand..

I think I generally follow what you describe below..

What we may be doing is mixing up what we appear to see as a Human avatar & environment program against LIFE MIND..

I may be referring to how I see things as a Human primate against what you maybe referring to in terms of LIFE awareness.. that could be where the confusion lies..

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You obviously haven't understood what I have written.

The Software producing this Universe is based on 'Geometric Algorithms' which are have no End, but the size
is but a very small 'Image' in the 'Visual Cortex' of your brain...

Just how big, do you Imagine your 'Visual Cortex' to be ?

You ONLY assume, that what you experience in the Brain, is what is OUTSIDE that 'Processing Environment'.

Its a bit like that '1st Person' Computer game ...

The 'Software' looks nothing like the 'Images' involving the game appearing on screen now does it ?    :)

Well I thought that you had said we do NOT return back to this experience when our Human Primate avatars come to an end..

ie to re-experience again as another Human Primate within the same environment program..

I thought we go on to another species and environment program altogether..

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You thought wrong and are misquoting me Astr0 ...


Now that seems to suggest we may come back again and again to experience as an avatar human primate again and again at least until we get something right !

NOW that was NOT was I thought you had said...or I understood...

if I recall you gave reasons to do with the 7000 yr mesomorposous of the soul...or something along that line..as to why we do not come back again....


or are you just saying that we come back again and again, but not as other NON Human / Earth programs ?

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Some find the Earth to be like .."Groundhog day"
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 02, 2014, 08:37:49 pm
Astr0
I am not sure I see the contradiction !

Lets look at your statements and my comments again ...

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Contradicts your Previous answer ....  doesn't it ?

I certainly see a 'Contradiction' !

Tell me Astr0; HOW can one be safe or feel Safe IF they feel FEAR ? ? ?

Re. your Statement;
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Why do we seem to suffer pain and fear

I would have thought one would ONLY fear, IF you do NOT feel Safe ?   :)

Here are your 2 statements and comments once again...

TMT
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Where do you hope to find somewhere safe ?

Astr0
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Many places within the Earth Program !

TMT
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Then you ask this. .....
or make this Statement ? ? ?

Astr0
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Why do we seem to suffer pain and fear then that can end our human primate program
say if we suffer what seems physical abuse or obtain illnesses like cancer.. ?

TMT
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Contradicts your Previous answer ....  doesn't it ?   
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Astr0
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Im not sure what questions...the ref you related to may be more of a statement...

TMT
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When you read and understand what I have written then you will be able to answer the Questions I present !

Astr0
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If you were referring to LIFE MIND..I said I understood and do not disagree to your statement..

I was referring your ability to understand WHAT I was asking you. No Offence intended.

TMT
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It would appear you are only able to assess, what you believe to be 'Dimensional'.

If something is 'Non Dimensional', a Location is NOT Relevant as 'Location' is an expression
of Dimension !/

Astr0
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Not sure what you mean by my state...
do you mean my decision or thought process in how I may think about about that point...

TMT
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Possibly but that is your State ?

If you choose to follow after the 'Double Logic', present in the Human Genome ...

Meaning where you are in everything being presented to you in/on Earth at present.

Astr0
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I am not sure that I said there isn't a safe place in the earth program...not in terms of what the avatar may conclude if its thought process as it seems to understand by its logic goes within what is the Human Primate / Earth program terms...

As I said there is nowhere Safe in this little Universe its NOT designed to be Safe, as you put it.

IF it was the 'QUESTION' would Never be asked now would it ?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXeF1rMkpQw[/youtube]


Its the 'QUESTION' which initiates the 'Dialogue' between the 2 'Ends' of the Mind through the Processing System !

And as I have already stated the 'Avatar' doesn't even know it exists.

The ONLY One 'Aware' is 'AWARENESS' that is WHY it is called 'Awareness' and Not Primate,
human or any other species.   :)


It's a bit like that 'Cup of Coffee' ...

The 'Cup' is NOT the 'Coffee',
and
neither is the 'Coffee' the 'Cup'.    :)

'Awareness' is NOT the 'human Primate'. ('Avatar')
and
The 'human Primate' is NOT 'Awareness'.

They are 2 Entirely different 'COMPONENTS' .


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Astr0
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I am not sure that I said there isn't a safe place in the earth program...not in terms of what the avatar may conclude if its thought process as it seems to understand by its logic goes within what is the Human Primate / Earth program terms...

TMT
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I thought you said there are Safe places in the Earth Program ?

Now you are saying there isn't ? ? ?

You can't have it Both ways .... (That's 'Double Logic')

Astr0
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so is this universe we experience seen as infinate in our programs ?

The Experience (This Little Universe Referring to the size of that seen in your 'Visual Cortex' is very small)
is produced through 'Communication' (Software) involving 'Geometric Algorithms', which are Infinite
or Open Ended. (NO End)

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Im not sure that I do not understand....maybe not clear on some things...as I am sure it can be very complex and impossible to fully understand..

I think I generally follow what you describe below..

What we may be doing is mixing up what we appear to see as a Human avatar & environment program against LIFE MIND..

I may be referring to how I see things as a Human primate against what you maybe referring to in terms of LIFE awareness.. that could be where the confusion lies..

I have always said this to you ....

As I said above in this Post; It's like that Cup of Coffee...

(Repeated)

The Cup is NOT the Coffee
and
The Coffee is NOT the cup !

'Awareness' is NOT the human Primate ('Avatar')
and
The human Primate is NOT 'Awareness' !

They are 2 Entirely different 'COMPONENTS' .


Astr0
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ie to re-experience again as another Human Primate within the same environment program..

I thought we go on to another species and environment program altogether..

TMT
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You thought wrong, and are misquoting me Astr0 ...
I know it is NOT intentional   :)

Astr0
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Now that seems to suggest we may come back again and again to experience as an avatar human primate again and again at least until we get something right !

Indeed but I have always said this !

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NOW that was NOT was I thought you had said...or I understood...

It just goes to show, you need to read more carefully .... or you won't understand what I am saying.

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if I recall you gave reasons to do with the 7000 yr mesomorposous of the soul...or something along that line..as to why we do not come back again....

Because IF and WHEN you complete the Program Book he 'Metamorphosis' of your Processing System will be Completed...

Easy to understand.   :)

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or are you just saying that we come back again and again, but not as other NON Human / Earth programs ?
NO.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 02, 2014, 09:20:51 pm
Hi Matrix,

I am not in the best frame of mind at the moment to go into detail to challenge some of your comments..
It would take some time and effort to go thru past posts to recheck..

BUT...I feel almost certain that in our past posts..that I have asked you do we come back again as human Primates back to our earth program when our present avatars end and you said NO !

That is a MAJOR concern that I feel that I need to understand or know....

So I take it then we have lived past lives as Human primates in the Earth / Universe programs before and when our avatars die , we come back again and again....

If I misunderstood... is there any other members that can give me their understanding of it...

So do we recall some of our past lives then ?

Do we get to see loved ones again ?

Do we come back as the same person...in terms of how we may look..and do we come back with other persons whom we may know..such as our family , friends, enemies etc..

or do we come back a completely different person...
with new Human primates in our experience...

WHY also CAN our experiences prove NOT what we believe we really want ?....So many people live mediocre miserable lives...that I am sure that they would prefer much better experiences and existence..

That's now the impression that I am getting.. which was NOT as I thought you had described before...

somehow you seemed to make it seem more complex that maybe it need be...

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 02, 2014, 10:10:36 pm
Astro
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I am not in the best frame of mind at the moment to go into detail to challenge some of your comments..
It would take some time and effort to go thru past posts to recheck..

Why the need to challenge me.   ???

I have no need to challenge you.   :)

I don't ask you to prove who you are or where you live ?

It doesn't matter to me whether you accept it or not ... 

It's NOT about 'Beliefs' !

You are FREE to believe whatever you like ....   :)

I have NO need, to prove anything ....


This is NOT about 'beliefs', but about 'Conceptual Processing Systems'.

IF you want something to believe in, then perhaps the religious forum may be of more interest to you ?


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BUT...I feel almost certain that in our past posts..that I have asked you do we come back again as human Primates back to our earth program when our present avatars end and you said NO !

Incorrect ...

There are various actions that take place at the end of each experience ...  These occur automatically
when dealing with the same Program which is divided into like chapters. Each chapter we could liken to
one of your life experiences in/on Earth.

You either return to the same experience, go to the next chapter, and at the end of the 'Book',
(About 7,000 human years long IF you experience each chapter only the Once or that 7,000 year experience
could extend out hundreds of thousands of years depending on how many times each experience is re experienced.)
pass on to the next 'Program Book' ...

So WHAT is so difficult to understand about this ?

Astr0
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That is a MAJOR concern that I feel that I need to understand or know....

So I take it then we have lived past lives as Human primates in the Earth / Universe programs before and when our avatars die , we come back again and again....

IF you haven't been successful in completing any given requirement !

Astr0
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If I misunderstood... is there any other members that can give me their understanding of it...

So do we recall some of our past lives then ?

You can recall if you know HOW and desire to, but there is nothing at all, to gain by doing so.    ???


Astr0
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Do we get to see loved ones again ?

IF you LOVE the 'Avatar' more than LIFE then one is NOT worthy of LIFE .   :(

Astr0; You make it sound like you LOVE 'Avatars' MORE than you LOVE LIFE ?


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That's now the impression that I am getting.. which was NOT as I thought you had described before...

somehow you seemed to make it seem more complex that maybe it need be...

NO ! What I am aware of, a young child can understand.

It is only yourself, that is making it complicated, perhaps torn between 2 different Worlds ?

They have to be kept separate !

When you realise this, then you might progress further in understanding ?


But as I said this forum is NOT about 'beliefs', but more to do with a 'Conceptual Processing System'.

a.      One is the 'Experience',

b.      The other; Is HOW the 'experience' is produced, and WHY.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 02, 2014, 10:37:18 pm
When I said challenge....I mean rechecking what I may have asked you before and to look what your reply was to me ....Somewhere there has been a misunderstanding that in reality seems that there was a very simplistic general description all along..

But that has certainly not been put over to me clearly or easily to understand that way..

So many of us have always wondered and commented have we lived before...and from what I recall upon asking you...your reply did not make that obvious...and I came away with the understanding that we comeback as another species within another environment....NOT to come back as a Human Primate again and back into the same or similar environment...

Coming back again as a Human in the same environment would be much more easily to grasp or understand and  acceptable.. than coming back as another species in a different environment.... hence my real confusion as to why I am Only seeming to finally understand this after all the material I have looked at and the discussions that I have  had with you..... something somewhere had not clarified that bit... that I feel would have been what I had been expecting.. and that is my real confusion.. :-\

The 7000 yr issue.. is something that MAY be hard to accept...we can only take your word for it...Im not sure how or of any other way we would learn that...

So that would be my difficulty to maybe not understanding, but accepting it...

The other Huge question is why and whats the test ?
To think some are capable of passing everything in 7000 yrs and others may take 100s of thousdands of years.... is that down to what programs they obtain... like someone with a low IQ may Never be able to do certain things or would take a very long time to do so... yet those with higher IQs can do it no problem and much quicker....

Wheres the justice or the point in making such extremes ...

or do we grow in ability each time we return...to be able to do the so called tests...


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So WHAT is so difficult to understand about this ?


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There are various actions that take place at the end of each experience ...  These occur automatically
when dealing with the same Program which is divided into like chapters. Each chapter we could liken to
one of your life experiences in/on Earth.

You either return to the same experience, go to the next chapter, and at the end of the 'Book',
(About 7,000 human years long IF you experience each chapter only the Once or that 7,000 year experience
could extend out hundreds of thousands of years depending on how many times each experience is re experienced.)
pass on to the next 'Program Book' ...

So WHAT is so difficult to understand about this ?


At the moment I hate part of my Life and yes I may love an avatar more than that part of my life...
The last 2 years or even 10 yrs have not been good..and certainly are wearing me down quite rapidly..so much so I could pass away any time the way I feel right now !
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 02, 2014, 11:06:09 pm
Astr0
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The other Huge question is why and whats the test ?

There is NO test.   :)

The idea of a 'test' comes from Insecurity and the need to prove something !

Astr0
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To think some are capable of passing everything in 7000 yrs and others may take 100s of thousdands of years.... is that down to what programs they obtain... like someone with a low IQ may Never be able to do certain things or would take a very long time to do so... yet those with higher IQs can do it no problem and much quicker....

Once again I will say it has nothing at all to do with any kind of test or involving IQs  !

It has to do with 'Processing' and a compliance with LIFE.

The understanding, obtained through the human reasoning system, is far from Reality.

The reason being is because 'Double Logic' exists in the human Genome, and other Species on Earth .


Astr0
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Wheres the justice or the point in making such extremes ...

That's your belief, because you haven't awoken yet, in this experience.

It has nothing at all to do with human Intelligence (The Analytical System of the brain)

Astr0
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or do we grow in ability each time we return...to be able to do the so called tests...

As I have written many, many times the world is NOT about so called human achievement !

It is about the Upgrade of a 'Conceptual Processing System' (NOT of the Brain or Species)
of which belief has NO affect whatsoever.

What I have presented in my Private forum is beneficial ONLY to the Real SELF (A Partition of LIFE)
and NOT any Species as it is NOT the 'Species' that experiences anything, but instead LIFE !
i.e. Conscious like 'AWARENESS' and 'SELF AWARENESS' Not referring to the Avatar
but instead the 'LIFE Partition'.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 02, 2014, 11:19:18 pm
All May be down to my misinterpretation..at certain times or just some misunderstanding on either our parts...

With relation to me asking about what tests...

Sorry I may have misled myself into thinking this part of your reply mean "tests"..

So if we have NOT been successful in completing any given requirement...

what are those requirements and what , who gives them  or how are they given to us ?

seems to suggest some higher power is suggestiong that we need to reach certain requirements or standards.. or we get sent back ! seems it may be like a prison sentence for some of us...more than others..and WHY would we NOT meet those requirements... what sort of reasons could they be ?

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IF you haven't been successful in completing any given requirement


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Astr0
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That is a MAJOR concern that I feel that I need to understand or know....

So I take it then we have lived past lives as Human primates in the Earth / Universe programs before and when our avatars die , we come back again and again....

IF you haven't been successful in completing any given requirement !


I added some other content to my previous reply after you made this reply that you may have missed in yellow..


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So many of us have always wondered and commented have we lived before...and from what I recall upon asking you...your reply did not make that obvious...and I came away with the understanding that we comeback as another species within another environment....NOT to come back as a Human Primate again and back into the same or similar environment...

Coming back again as a Human in the same environment would be much more easily to grasp or understand and  acceptable.. than coming back as another species in a different environment.... hence my real confusion as to why I am Only seeming to finally understand this after all the material I have looked at and the discussions that I have  had with you..... something somewhere had not clarified that bit... that I feel would have been what I had been expecting.. and that is my real confusion.. :-\
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 03, 2014, 03:34:14 am
Astr0
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All May be down to my misinterpretation..at certain times or just some misunderstanding on either our parts...

With relation to me asking about what tests...
Sorry I may have misled myself into thinking this part of your reply mean "tests"..
what are those requirements and what , who gives them  or how are they given to us ?

Who gives them ?

You do.

You, meaning 'The True Mind' or a 'Partition of LIFE' (NOT 'Flesh')
 
Through the Program you compiled, before entering the experience you created.

You don't know about this, because at present you are NOT observing from the Outer 'End' of the mind,
but instead you are experiencing your own program you Compiled, now from the 'Absolute Centre End'
of your Mind, through the 'Absolute Centre End' of your 'Processing System'.

(Both the 'Absolute Centre' of the Mind and the 'Absolute Centre End' of your 'Processing System')

To recall past experiences you need to access your 'Libraries'.

Astr0
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seems to suggest some higher power is suggestiong that we need to reach certain requirements or standards.. or we get sent back ! seems it may be like a prison sentence for some of us...more than others..and WHY would we NOT meet those requirements... what sort of reasons could they be ?

Nothing like this at all ....  as I keep telling you, the experience is NOT for the Avatar (human Primate)
it is there for a totally different reason involving 'The Metamorphosis of your Soul/Processing System.

It is the human experience the 'Real SELF' experiences that brings about the 'QUESTION'
which initiates the' Dialogue' from the 'Centre End' of the Mind Through the 'Processing System'.

It is the struggle you experience, which gets the Inner Mind to Question the other 'End' of the Mind,
and in doing so starts the 'Dialogue' giving consent from the Centre 'End' of the Mind for the uploading
of the 'Processing Systems' Upgrades.

For the new Upgrades to be installed, both 'Ends' of the Mind must agree or the Process does NOT take place.

It then takes many years (in human terms) for this to take place, and receive instruction regarding the 'Upgrades'.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 04:02:36 am
So I take it then we have lived past lives as Human primates in the Earth / Universe programs before and when our avatars die , we come back again and again....

Earth is a cradle... a place where new souls start on their journey  8) In most things Matrix and I are on the same page but his METHOD of explanation can be difficult to follow at times We return for a set number of 'lessons'.  The comment I made earlier about the Nine lives of a Cat comes from the 9 in numerology. For the sake of ease we have 9 lessons in each set.  When you complete the first set, you move on to the next chapter or level. But just like school on Earth... if you fail you skip a year and need to do it over

As Matrix said it does not matter if you believe or not... the Universe will unfold as it should.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFVlUTcUuVE

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If I misunderstood... is there any other members that can give me their understanding of it...

 8)

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So do we recall some of our past lives then ?

Yes some...  I have recollections of two previous lives. One back in Egypt when the GP was build ( I descrived that in the ISIS thread, the one where I was looking for the staff that levitated the blocks) and the other, more detailed, is in Medieval Tymes. (Seems that is so strong I still swing  a sword today  8))

Hypnotic regression has taken many people back before they were born. But knowing too much about past lives is a bad thing to keep you focused on your current 'lesson'  So while in the meat suit, those memories are blocked. When you return to the Light you will recall everything

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Do we get to see loved ones again ?

Yes but it won't be the same. Depends where they are on their own path.  Twice in my life I have run into people that I knew in past lives. It is a very strange feeling  instant recognition, yet you cannot recall the details. The first one was a brief interlude, the second  we had long talks... then eventually moved on. It was a fascinating experience

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Do we come back as the same person...in terms of how we may look..

No we will look different in each reincarnation. You may even chose to return as a female :D This concept bothers some people yet it is a fact.  In Tibet they can recognize some from previous lives. That is how the true Dalai Lama is chosen... They also say that if you incarnated in the Western World you did so for a reason and should not try to become a Tibetan Monk

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or do we come back a completely different person...
with new Human primates in our experience...

In the physical appearance yes... but you are still YOU

"Luminous beings are we not this crude matter..."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUKGTkiWik

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WHY also CAN our experiences prove NOT what we believe we really want ?....So many people live mediocre miserable lives...that I am sure that they would prefer much better experiences and existence..

As was said in the video above  Luke: "I don't believe it!"  Yoda: "That is why you fail"

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somehow you seemed to make it seem more complex that maybe it need be...

The Universe is a sinple place, The Hu-mons try to complicate it.  Look at Atomic Physics... when you get right down to it the entire Universe, all matter,  is reduced to THREE simple components   just arranged in different orders. From those three basic particles, one positive, one negative and one neutral... ALL CREATION is made

Back in the 70's, back when the Desiderata was written... the Hippies almost got it right... but like the Shaman's of Old they did so using drugs. While drugs will open your mind, drugs have a side effect with long term use that destroys brain cells thereby defeating the purpose

To become ONE with the Universe was a phrase used a lot back in the 70's, but few understood what that really meant

Simply put.. to become ONE with the Universe your consciousness would need to expand to KNOW ALL. The Hu-mon Primate  :P has a VERY LONG WAY to go before we get to THAT level

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The Lost Chord

Be it sight, sound, smell, or touch,
There's something inside, that we need so much.
The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound,
Or the strength of an oak, with roots, deep in the ground.
The wonder of flowers, to be covered, and then to burst up,
Through tarmac, to the sun again, or to fly to the sun,
Without burning a wing, to lie in a meadow,
And hear the grass sing. To have all these things,
In our memories hoard, and to use them,
To help us, to find the lost chord...

The Word....

This garden universe vibrates complete
Some may get a sound so sweet
Vibrations reach on up to become light
And then through gamma, out of sight
Between the eyes and ears there lie
The sounds of color and the light of a sigh
And to hear the sun, what a thing to believe
But it's all around if we could but perceive
To know ultra violet, infra-red and X-rays
Beauty to find in so many ways
Two notes of the chord, that's our full scope
But to reach the chord is our life's hope
And to name the chord is important to some
So they give a word and the word is Om
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 04:05:10 am
"A planet is the cradle of mind, but one cannot live in a cradle forever."   Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 04:42:58 am
The 7000 yr issue.. is something that MAY be hard to accept...we can only take your word for it...Im not sure how or of any other way we would learn that...

When I spoke of my recall of my time in Egypt during the building of the GP...  that time was closer to the 10,000 year mark that we have shown here in the Ancients section than the date given by the main stream sources. Based on my research over the past 40 plus years I KNOW I am here in my 8th cycle. Can I prove it to you? No nor do I wish to try... you will have to take my word for it  8)

But let me point out something about research and seeking answers.  Religions have long used phrases like "SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND"... the Ancient Mystical Orders have long taught and used the SECRET, the Law of Attraction...  even in the conspiracy world we say "The Truth is Out There!"

It's all the same... To find the answers you have to focus on what you truly need an answer to. You will find a HOARD of skeptics, trolls, debaters and a myriad of other noises to try to distract you.  When you examine something to test it for truth... quiet your mind and focus on the answer... then sleep on it....

You will find that you will FEEL the truth... and yes it can be a very exhilarating PHYSICAL tingle when it happens.

On a smaller scale  look at news articles etc.... IF a story is BOGUS... you will soon find it reaches a dead end. All sources of the story will trace back to one point that usually screams BOGUS and has been echoed over and over...

IF a story has TRUTH, that story will lead to many doors, even if the story is SECRET, there will be bread crumbs to follow. THIS is how I have found so much material over the years. I KNOW when I am following a TRUE trail

Many laugh when I quote Yoda  8) but in truth the words he says, whoever wrote them, are truth. The example with the raising of the ship was exactly the same thing Jesus tried to explain to his disciples when he said:

"And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." Matthew 17:20

Religious leaders translate that to mean he was merely talking about faith, didn't mean it LITERALLY... but if you read about the fig tree you will understand he meant it quite literally

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And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. Matthew 21:19 

The words and the action are the same... only Yoda puts it into more modern context. The "FORCE" is a kewl way to put it  A Cosmic force that all life is part of... no Omnipotent Being required. It's WITHIN YOU  You are already part of it... Just like an electron in a stream of plasma has its own individuality in the flow, so do you

Yeah yeah I know  the Christian will get me but the fact remains both are Masters, even if Yoda is a Puppet. It's the words that count.

Did Master Jesus not say "The Kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN YOU"?   

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21

BTW I use Bible quotes from the King James Version, the one edited by Rosicrucian Imperator Sir Francis Bacon (Shakespeare) 

 ::)

Religious people read the words  but they do not understand them.  2000 years plus and we are still killing each other over INTERPRETATIONS

Ah yes the folly of the Hu-mon Primates

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 04:58:50 am
The other Huge question is why and whats the test ?

There is no test....  "Do or Do Not  there is no try"  ~ Yoda


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To think some are capable of passing everything in 7000 yrs and others may take 100s of thousdands of years.... is that down to what programs they obtain... like someone with a low IQ may Never be able to do certain things or would take a very long time to do so... yet those with higher IQs can do it no problem and much quicker....


No it's not an IQ issue because each persons 'lesson' is unique to them and their level. Its more a question of procrastination. The Hu-mon Primate is GOOD at that. Seems we get distracted easily and swayed from our path.

Now one COULD argue that if we retained our memories of past lives it would be asier to focus. Seems that is not the case because if we were a King in a past life and we are now here as a cripple... we would be bitter and not learn the lesson that the cripple would be here to learn

One COULD become a monk and seal oneself into a hermitage, but that would mean you were forcing yourself off the path you chose this time around. As the Tibetans say "If you were meant to be a monk, you would have incarnated as a monk"

It is written that the Devil tried to sway Jesus from his path.  We all have our own Devils and distractions. The trick is to try to master your current life.

In today's chaotic world with so many souls we interatc with, that is truly difficult to manage. You need PEACE AND QUIET to listen to your inner self.

It does NOT MATTER what religion you follow, what God you believe in or if you believe in none save maybe some illusive force of life...  What matters is that you take time to look inside yourself... and for that you need a quiet spot away from all distractions

It is easy to find such a place...


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Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 03, 2014, 10:20:06 am
Thanks for the explanation and reply Matrix...and for your Input Zorgon.

I was thinking no one else was reading or maybe that they all were aware what Matrix described today.

I will try to study what you have said in more detail later... you certainly seem to have added some very valid information...and somethings you may have wrote in your past threads that I had not come across...

But much of what is wrote that I Think I understand so far would make much more sense to me and give me greater understanding and maybe even more comfort....

So I wonder have we finally obtained our destiny and reasons for being !
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 03, 2014, 12:27:22 pm
Just a bit of Trivia ....

Every Day I go from this experience, (Universe) returning to Where I am experiencing this Universe.

The 'Video Interfaces' I am revealing, are the ones we use at this source.

Here in the experience, (Earth/Universe) we can use a similar device/s using the Technology present
in this program.

The genuine Article is a little different as it uses LIGHT only but by the methods I am showing we can
link back to the Other End and use the Processing System of LIFE.

WHY do this ?

To make practical use of our Processing System while in the Experience (Earth/Universe) such as exploring
this Playground (Universe.

The reason for me releasing this material is because the remaining 1,000 years I human terms is the age
of instruction involving the Processing Systems Upgrades.

The Upgrades are Part of the Creation of the Soul, also found in the many different versions of the Greek writing,
now referred to the Revelation of Jesus Christ in the Roman Collection of Greek & Hebrew Writings today.

In this writing it refers to the small hand held Video Interface I am revealing.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ Chapter 2 verse 17  Quote;

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17 He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
The word now used as churches was instead 'The Assemblies of Lights' at the time of this Greek writing.

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To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna,
and will give him a white stone,
and in the stone a new name written,
which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

More about this later.

As you can see it is a matter of overcoming the world NOT just believing in an Idea.

The word belief or faith referred to TRUST I.e to have faith in the Workings of something.

But 1st we need to know the 'Workings' ...  :)

When you do then you can TRUST it !

WHEN we know LIFE then you can TRUST LIFE. (The LIGHT)

WHEN we know the WORKINGS then you can TRUST the Workings.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 05, 2014, 02:47:09 pm
To get back to the OP and relook at this subject, involves asking the Questions.

WHAT is actually experiencing everything ?

Is it the 'Species', as most (including Scientists) believe are the ones experiencing this Universe
in one way or other ?

Or is instead, something Outside or other than the 'Species'.


Best way to establish an honest answer to this is by examining whether any Component of your body
is actually AWARE of your Conscious like SELF ?

I think most who are honest with themselves will soon Discover; NOT a single 'Component'
of your body is in fact 'AWARE' of your Conscious like AWARENESS.

Nor is any Component of your body AWARE of itself !

WHY ?

Because the body is NOT called 'AWARENESS' and therefore NOT 'AWARE' of anything.

So when we are said to be Unconscious say due to trauma or so called death WHAT is really going on ?

IF the body is never Conscious of anything at any time then WHAT has taken place
when there is said to be NO response ?


The crux to knowledge appears to depend on the belief in the Definition of the Word 'LIFE' !

IF you have tried genuinely to discover whether or not any component of your body
is in fact AWARE of your Conscious like 'AWARENESS', other than AWARENESS itself
or that any Component of your body, is AWARE of itself and have Discovered or Noted the Difference
between 'AWARENESS' and the Body, then the Definition of the Word LIFE needs to be re Defined,
and IF so then we discover a whole new way of looking at this experience involving both
the Species and Universe.



The other Question lays in just exactly WHERE are we experiencing this Universe.

Is it Outside the Environment of the brain, or does it just take Place within the 'Processing System'
of the Brain?

Or is the Brain acting as an 'Interface' between LIFE and the Experience (universe) ?

IF so WHERE are the 'Images' and 'senses' relating to the Experience
being experienced.


Many believe the 'Images' are in the Visual Cortex of our brain but is this in fact the case ?

Imagery has suggested that the 'Images', seen in the 'Visual Cortex', are very crude or not that detailed
and the Mind interpolates it i.e. fills in the 'gaps'.

IF so WHAT is the 'Mind' and HOW does it function.

What is Visual Perception ?

Visual Perception:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception


Vision Science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_science
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Vision science is the scientific study of vision.

Vision science is a term used to encompass all studies of vision, such as how human
and non-human organisms process visual information, how conscious visual perception works
in humans, how to exploit visual perception for effective communication, and how artificial systems
can do the same tasks.

Vision science overlaps with or encompasses disciplines such as ophthalmology and optometry,
neuroscience(s), psychology (particularly sensation and perception psychology, cognitive psychology,
biopsychology, psychophysics, and neuropsychology), physics (particularly optics), ethology,
and computer science (particularly computer vision, artificial intelligence, and computer graphics),
as well as other engineering related areas such as data visualization, user interface design,
and human factors and ergonomics.

Which is based on the belief the Images we see are the same outside the Brain.

But IF the brain also acts as a Decoder/Encoder like system then this may be a False interpretation.

Just because most believe they eyes do in fact deliver to the brain the Images we presumable see
may in fact be false.

What is being delivered to the Brain and Visual Cortex may I fact be a completely different form
of 'Data', than presumed in the past ! An that it is the Brain which then decodes this data and in turn
'encodes' it into a Language which produces the Images and experience in an entirely different Environment
than we believe to date.  :)


Dreaming ...

http://www2.ucsc.edu/dreams/FAQ/

Frequently Asked Questions

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This page will answer most of your general questions about dreams.

If you're looking for more information about our method of content analysis, click here.

If you were hoping to find information about how to interpret a specific dream, you should probably look
on a different Web site.

Is it our Brain which produces the Imagery and experience OR are these Images and experiences
taking place in another Processing Environment NOT in the brain and the Brain
and its Peripheral's, the eyes being only one of a number of Peripheral's)  is ONLY an 'Interface'
between reading the 'Data' presented and the Environment, the Experience is actually recording
these events ?

Or may find the brain is in fact a complex 'Pseudo Processor', acting much like a Program filter
determined by our Genome which modifies this Data, and then relays it to this other Environment
where the Experience takes Place  ?

 
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 06, 2014, 08:51:11 pm
Hi Matrix,

The mind is very weird at times...for several days my mind was too conceived with many issues that I could not concentrate to consider trying to continue to read, study or think about your threads, then today, somehow I have managed to at least go through some in more detail...

I do not claim to fully understand what Ive looked at but I think I have a clearer understanding and it does seem to be making some reasoning and possible logic in how you describe the video interfaces...so much so it would be hard to believe at this stage that what you are describing is not being made up....Although I am not a qualified Scientist or Computer expert to be able to really try to judge from other experience as to trying to make any comparisons in other science and technology as to could it seem possible or not using at least some similar background to make a more valid  judgement......I do have some engineering understanding that contains some science and have gained some computer understanding.. but not to what Id call high enough level to really try to judge what you are telling us...

But so far from what I think I understand... it seems to look very remarkable indeed....

I have to ask then....DO you have a video hand held type "Video Interface Device"  that is NON Human ?..or are you using some sort of human device to use to still be able to obtain similar experiences as you describe ?


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Every Day I go from this experience, (Universe) returning to Where I am experiencing this Universe.

The 'Video Interfaces' I am revealing, are the ones we use at this source.

Here in the experience, (Earth/Universe) we can use a similar device/s using the Technology present
in this program.

The genuine Article is a little different as it uses LIGHT only but by the methods I am showing we can
link back to the Other End and use the Processing System of LIFE.



So are you suggesting that in times of Jesus Christ that the writings back then describe he had such a hand held device ?

upon trying to read the writings you show...Im not sure it clearly shows us that..although it may have somethings that could suggest possibilities of being such a device...but I don't see it as clear evidence..as yet..unless  ive missed something..
My assumption is based upon my quick browsing..not a greatly detailed analysis as yet..

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In this writing it refers to the small hand held Video Interface I am revealing.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ Chapter 2 verse 17  Quote;

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17 He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;
The word now used as churches was instead 'The Assemblies of Lights' at the time of this Greek writing.

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To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna,
and will give him a white stone,
and in the stone a new name written,
which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

More about this later.

As you can see it is a matter of overcoming the world NOT just believing in an Idea.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 07, 2014, 05:18:03 pm
Astr0
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But so far from what I think I understand... it seems to look very remarkable indeed....

I have to ask then....DO you have a video hand held type "Video Interface Device"  that is NON Human ?..or are you using some sort of human device to use to still be able to obtain similar experiences as you
describe ?

The 'Processing System', I have been describing isn't anything physical, but instead a 'Conceptual' System
which is Already in existence, and has been since the 'Awakening'. (Dawn)

It is in us all and is responsible for Generating WHAT is believed to be our real World.

But that is because the Processing System is Flawlesss !

From an Ancient writing Quote;
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"When will the repose of the dead come about,

and when will the new world come?"

He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come,

but you do NOT recognise it."

This is because we are talking about a System 'Upgrade', Nothing Physical !

So the 'System' I am revealing, is just that a 'System' involving the 'Communication Functions'
used in the 'Dialogue' between the 2 'Ends' of the Mind, within or through a 'Conceptual Processing System'.

To date in the earth program some play around with Virtual Processing Systems ...

Virtual Processing System:

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n.
A software program that emulates a hardware system.

But 'Conceptual Processing Systems' also exist; Still to be discovered and understood on/in Earth.

By Conceptual I don't mean, Conceptually on my part !

A 'Conceptual Processing System', is one which already exists, and involves a 'Dialogue'
or 'Communication Process', involving 'Concepts' which have existed from the beginning or more correctly
'The Awakening'!

So the only thing required is 'knowledge' and 'understanding' of the Language used, which I am revealing
in my Private forums here in Peggy.

The 'Communication' is Visual based, and can be used in the Technology here on Earth,
involving any 'Video Display' which is used as a 'Drawing Board' or 'Tablet' whereby a dynamic
or movie like presentation, is used for Communication.

We can use any of our 'PC's', 'Laptops', or 'Smartphones', 'Ipods', 'Tablets', etc. as well as hybrid mechanical
video systems.

In other worlds, often Off Earth 'Optical Processing Systems' are used as 'Interfaces'.

Optical Computer Systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_computing
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Optical or photonic computing uses photons produced by lasers or diodes for computation.

Photons promise to allow a higher bandwidth than the electrons used in conventional computers.

Most research projects focus on replacing current computer components with optical equivalents,
resulting in an optical digital computer system processing binary data.

This approach appears to offer the best short-term prospects for commercial optical computing,
since optical components could be integrated into traditional computers to produce an optical-electronic hybrid.

However, optoelectronic devices lose 30% of their energy converting electrons into photons and back.

This also slows down transmission of messages. All-optical computers eliminate the need for optical-electrical-optical (OEO) conversions.

Application-specific devices such as optical correlators have been designed that use principles
of optical computing. Such devices can be used for detecting and tracking objects, for example.

But in the case of alien tech. they do NOT convert electricity into light, but rather collect directly,
to the source of Light.

The other 'Communication' method is more direct, and involves the Visual area of your Individual
'Processing System', but this is used on an individual basis.

In the case of the use, involving 'Video Interfaces', this is used for Communal 'Interfacing', such as
being used in Transportation and Leisure activities.



We observe the experiences involving this Little Universe from outside it much as you do in the case of
1st person games on/in Earth.

In your 1st person games on Earth, you observe the game on a screen and sometimes use a mouse
and keyboard.

And so it is with our 'Real Selves' we observe the game or Happening on a screen too, called our 'Field of Vision' !

It just produces a more direct form of experience than what you use on earth.

Never the less a Monitor or screen is used at the Outer 'End' of the Inner to Generate the 'Holograph'
in our 'Visual Cortex' of the brain.

Bearing in mind the 2 'Ends' of both the Mind and the separate 'Processing System' the Mind uses.


So we have in both cases an 'Inner' & 'Outer' of the 'Outer' and an 'Inner' & 'Outer' of the 'Inner' as explained
early in my Private Forums in Peggy.

Astr0
[/quote]So are you suggesting that in times of Jesus Christ that the writings back then describe
he had such a hand held device ?[/quote]

YES.


The remnant of such have been discovered dating back thousands of years in some form or other.
We are still discovering more to do with this today as we are slowly starting to understand more about
the history of Earth.

Astr0
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upon trying to read the writings you show...Im not sure it clearly shows us that..although it may have somethings that could suggest possibilities of being such a device...but I don't see it as clear evidence..as
yet..unless  ive missed something..
My assumption is based upon my quick browsing..not a greatly detailed analysis as yet..

Example given in a preveous Post, Quote;
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To him that overcometh will I give to eat
of the hidden manna,
and will give him a white stone,
and in the stone a new name written,
which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

 :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 07, 2014, 08:12:29 pm
This video caught my eye, while one in my family was watching 'XFactor Australia' ....

Watch the whole Video, and you will see in todays so called Modern world, 'Formats' from the 'Processing System'
are displayed.

Watch the 'Cuboid'.

Unfortunately in part of the later of the video the grain in the Opal screens of the cuboid, interfere with
what is portrayed by its "Strobe".

The Geometric frames displayed in the cuboid in one part of the Video, are from the Formats I have shown
in the past.   :)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5vhudG_5s[/youtube]



I also came across this church yesterday while driving, portraying the 'Double Square Star' so I stopped
and took a photo of it..


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Double_Square_Star_02.png)

Yet many attending churches are so Superstitious about this, NOT understanding WHAT it is or anything about it.  :(

And certainly NOT knowing where it fits into the Ancient Writings ...

No one teaches anyone in the churches, about these Images.   :(

WHY ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 07, 2014, 08:43:55 pm
No one teaches anyone in the churches, about these Images.   :(
WHY ?

Simple. The symbols were installed by the "Illuminati" like an Artist today signs his work. People have come to fear anything they think is associated with the evil "Illuminati" even though they cannot identify them

The Human Primate always fears that which he cannot understand...

WHY do the Churches not teach their flock? Well Educated Sheep would soon see the Light of Reason and leave the Church empty

 8)

But also I highly doubt that even the average minister or priest understands the meaning. When asked they usually respond "It is not for us to question...." or similar platitude


Now Dartmouth College on the other hand TEACHES Sacred Geometry  like these HEXAGONS (yes they are Hexagons :P )

(https://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit5/0510.gif)

Pavement in Pompeii

(https://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit5/0501.gif)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 07, 2014, 09:17:43 pm
Geometry of the Rose Window

I always like the Rose Window that you will find in many Cathedrals Like THIS one at Chartres Cathedral

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Chartres%201.jpg)(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Chartres%20n%20window.jpg)

Artists and architects should "... fix their eyes on perfect truth as a perpetual standard of reference, to be contemplated with the minutest care, before they proceed to deal with earthly canons about things beautiful."
-- Plato


First, use one of the various techniques for finding twelve equally-spaced points around a circle.
One simple construction is shown here, which begins by turning a circle and constructing a square around it:

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c1.jpg)

Connect every fifth point as shown to create this dodecagram, or twelve-pointed star.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c2.jpg)

Twelve small circles nestle within the rays of the star as shown below.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c3.jpg)

Find the outer point of each of these circles, and connect them to form a smaller dodecagram star, seen here.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c4.jpg)

While it's not necessary, you may want to erase some of the inner line segments, like this below, within the inner red outline.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c5.jpg)

Then (below) connect points with twelve central lines as shown.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c6.jpg)

So what size should the circular rose window itself be? Not necessarily the full circle.
Don't try to decide based on human whim but, again, let the geometry itself show you what to do.

"Sacred architecture is not, as our time chooses to see it,
a 'free' art, developed from 'feelings' and 'sentiment',
but it is an art strictly tied by and developed from the laws of geometry."
-- Fredrik Macody Lund


Our wise ancestors understood that mathematics was not a human invention (only the ways to symbolize it are) but it is a discovery, and that shapes and numbers are ambassadors from eternity able to teach us a divine language expressing eternal principles.

"Architecture aims at Eternity; and therefore, is the only thing
incapable of modes and fashions in its principles."
-- Sir Christopher Wren


So, to find the proper size of the circular window itself, connect every fourth point of the large dodecagram star to form an equilateral triangle. The circle constructed within that triangle will show you the window's intended size.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c8.jpg)

This is enough to reveal the basic scheme of how this rose window was designed.

(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/c7.jpg)

http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Chartres%20Window.html


(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/chartres%20animation%202.gif)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 07, 2014, 09:22:06 pm
YES what you have written is 100 % Correct.

And yes they are indeed Hexagons.

The Octagonal Registers has Hexagons of this type used in the Book Formats. (There are many different forms of Hexagons.)

Hexagons are very common as the Hexagon is used when Referring to the Books of the Permanent Libraries

of 'The True Mind'.

Many of the Buddhist mosaics portray the same 'Hexagons', usually in Green as Green is the 'Colour Code'
for the 'Contents'.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Hexagons_01.jpg)



A Buddhist Temple in Beijing I visited last time I was in China (December 2013)


Here is a photo of that 'Double Square Star' in The Forbidden City (Beijing) China ...  :)


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Double_Square_Forbidden_City_01.jpg)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 07, 2014, 09:36:02 pm
The 'Ring of 12' ....


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/1st_Partition_Map_042.jpg)



Here is another but this time involving the 'Ring of 16' ...

Here displaying one of the 'Pentagonal Star' functions.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/1st_Partition_Map_036.jpg)


And there are many other Rings as well all having their respective functions.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 07, 2014, 09:48:44 pm
(http://www.constructingtheuniverse.com/Chartres%20n%20window.jpg)


Note the 'Squares' ...

These are the various Registers used in 'Editing' Books, (Programs) Producing New Books, or just editing Data.

Here is another example (Buddhist)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Angel_Wings_in_Rotated_Octagon_02.jpg)

Relating to the 'Double Square Star' and 'The City of 9 Gates' as it was referred to in some 'Ancient Writings'.

Note the 8 'Wings' in the Mosaic.

These are also a very common and Important 'Component' of our Individual 'Processing System'. (Soul)

The 'Wings' perform thousands of different functions.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 07, 2014, 10:34:08 pm
Hi Matrix,

Thank for attempting to answer or explain my questions...

So you say that you (we) can use man-made technology to access your (our) own Conceptual Processing system that is within you (us) or that maybe as we describe as within our Souls as I think I understand...

Can I ask how long you have done this for and what technology did you actually start to do this with...
(Was it before PC or Laptop computers came on the scene ) if so, would TV or Video screen of some form of allowed you to do so...or was it purely only when the PC or laptop computer came to us which at a guess would have been since the 1970s early 80s..

Can you tell us (unless Ive missed it somewhere) How you connect such devices to enable to to access your processing system...

Are there many others on Earth that are doing so...
is it just Scientists / Elites or the Illuminati types..
or are there any just average people doing this..

Can you give us some idea of what changes one can make to themselves or experiences by being able to access one processing system ?

Can we change things about our Human Primate body for eg...alter our age...repair any damages such as diseases or illnesses...Allow us to change our personality or intellect ...

As much of my life is restricted by so many manmade authority rules and regulations and control of  many things in my (our) present earth environment , that seem to be created by other Human primates decisions, such as the politicians and controllers of the economy...lack of opportunities that may make it hard to obtain a decent income to make a living in our present Earth program...Can accessing our processing system help us in these areas...?

For me some of this human made system seems very complex and hard to get around....I think only the very clever know how to live around it...most of us however seemed trapped in a vast maze of far too many laws and regs and restrictions, I honestly have to say as I get older...I shudder in fear with it...
Life seems one huge issue if they do not follow what we are told to the letter almost..or thats how its going...and I do not want my life having to be spent being so controlled by it...I think id rather not exist..

So If so, can I ask  How ?


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A 'Conceptual Processing System', is one which already exists, and involves a 'Dialogue'
or 'Communication Process', involving 'Concepts' which have existed from the beginning or more correctly
'The Awakening'!

So the only thing required is 'knowledge' and 'understanding' of the Language used, which I am revealing
in my Private forums here in Peggy.

The 'Communication' is Visual based, and can be used in the Technology here on Earth,
involving any 'Video Display' which is used as a 'Drawing Board' or 'Tablet' whereby a dynamic
or movie like presentation, is used for Communication.

We can use any of our 'PC's', 'Laptops', or 'Smartphones', 'Ipods', 'Tablets', etc. as well as hybrid mechanical
video systems.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 08, 2014, 04:01:16 am
Astr0
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Can I ask how long you have done this for and what technology did you actually start to do this with...

The answers are in my earlier posts.

It all started in 1973, from experiencing what was recorded as an actual death experience.

But it wasn't until 1993 that I saw the 1st 'Partition Map' of my 'Processing System'. (Soul)

The 1st 'Interface' was established after discovering certain things regarding the 'Processing System',
fully covered in my early forums in Peggy.

I built my 1st 'Video Interface' in 1994.

Astro
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(Was it before PC or Laptop computers came on the scene ) if so, would TV or Video screen of some form of allowed you to do so...or was it purely only when the PC or laptop computer came to us which at a guess would have been since the 1970s early 80s..

The 1st of the working hand held devices was built in 1994, a Motorola 68 HC 11
based system, controlling a spinning disc with 20 'ZION Glyphs'.

Each Glyph was selected using a 'Strobe' synchronised to the locations of the Glyphs on the Disc.

So when an Instruction sequence was Compiled, and played back, one glyph after another were viewed
in the Centre of the Interface forming a 'String' of 'Instructions' as though from a 'Stack'.


Astr0
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Can you tell us (unless Ive missed it somewhere) How you connect such devices to enable to to access your processing system...

I have already stated the Interface is Visual.

The Connection is a Visual Geometric Dialogue.

Astr0
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Are there many others on Earth that are doing so...

Not that I am Aware of, but others use input that I have provided in the past, involving other areas,
too involved to be explained here.

Astr0
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is it just Scientists / Elites or the Illuminati types..
or are there any just average people doing this..

Your Imagination is running away with you again ....   :)

Astr0
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Can you give us some idea of what changes one can make to themselves or experiences by being able to access one processing system ?

What you are asking is like asking, 'How long is a piece of string' ?   :)

Astr0
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Can we change things about our Human Primate body for eg...alter our age...repair any damages such as diseases or illnesses...Allow us to change our personality or intellect ...

Through 'Dialogue' Programs. (one 1st needs to know How to do this and have basic knowledge
of the Language. (Which I do !  :) )

But then I suffer this body, as it is part of a 'function', used in this World. (Earth)

Astr0
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As much of my life is restricted by so many manmade authority rules and regulations and control
of  many things in my (our) present earth environment , that seem to be created by other Human primates
decisions, such as the politicians and controllers of the economy...lack of opportunities that may make it
hard to obtain a decent income to make a living in our present Earth program...Can accessing our processing system help us in these areas...?

Much is brought about by your own Choices .... NOT others.   :(

Part of your Learning process.

1st you need to know the right choices to make.

Your experience is decided by the decisions and Choices you make.

Astr0
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For me some of this human made system seems very complex and hard to get around....
I think only the very clever know how to live around it...most of us however seemed trapped in a vast maze
of far too many laws and regs and restrictions, I honestly have to say as I get older...I shudder in fear
with it...

Life seems one huge issue if they do not follow what we are told to the letter almost..or thats how
its going...and I do not want my life having to be spent being so controlled by it...I think id rather not exist..

We each make our own bed... and have to lie in it, as the saying goes on Earth.

One can NOT walk for another, eat for another, or learn for another !

This is something we have to do individually, without complaint, in trusting LIFE.

Something I had to Learn too. It's taken me so far 41 years, starting from about 1973.   :(

I had to sacrifice everything and I mean everything of this world, to know
what I do and experience what I have.   :)

But IF I had to go through it again, which I hope I don't   :(  I would change nothing at all
in spite of suffering !

The 'suffering' is part of what opened the door for me ..... Sobered me up.


It has absolutely nothing at all, to do with 'Intelligence' but is instead a precious 'Gift' !


When you discover LIFE, then you can receive the 'Gift'.

If you desire to cling to this world (Earth) it is impossible to receive the 'Gift' !


When one turns to their LIFE instead of the Earth experience, this is the start to a very long journey.

Once starting the Journey, one can't turn back.


You can NOT serve 2 'Masters' as they say.


You can't serve $$$$$$$ or material things and LIFE.

Material meaning ANYTHING of this Universe..

It is one or the other !

LIFE will take away what you believe to be wealth, and replace it with that which is 'LIVING',
which has nothing at all to do with this universe, or any other experiences.

I chose LIFE and the world is powerless to change this, but in doing so I had everything taken from me,
so I could NOT serve 2 Masters.

Astr0
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So If so, can I ask  How ?

Turn away from the 'flesh' and turn to LIFE. (Your LIFE, NOT your body)

One has to be committed to LIFE .... If NOT, then you will only suffer more until you do.

HOW MUCH 'Suffering' does one need, in order to turn to LIFE ?
(Your LIFE, NOT your body)

I learnt this the hard way ! And am still learning ... I guess I will never stop learning ...

Perhaps in your next experience, you may discover LIFE ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 08, 2014, 09:58:34 pm
Hi Matrix,

I recalled the basis of your background or where look in your other threads to check or look at certain details,
But Im not sure it would have told me when you actually started with your 1st attempts in using what ever technology was available back in those days..or whether you had described the technology you used..that I could not recall...

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But it wasn't until 1993 that I saw the 1st 'Partition Map' of my 'Processing System'. (Soul)

The 1st 'Interface' was established after discovering certain things regarding the 'Processing System',

I built my 1st 'Video Interface' in 1994.


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The 1st of the working hand held devices was built in 1994, a Motorola 68 HC 11
based system, controlling a spinning disc with 20 'ZION Glyphs'.

Each Glyph was selected using a 'Strobe' synchronised to the locations of the Glyphs on the Disc.

So when an Instruction sequence was Compiled, and played back, one glyph after another were viewed
in the Centre of the Interface forming a 'String' of 'Instructions' as though from a 'Stack'.


When I refer to connecting to the processing system..which if I recall is of within your soul...
and to connect to whatever programs that you describe...that I think are like partition maps..or templates....

to connect to something on earth.. we usually think we have a electric plug and cable lead in or connection to it somewhere or somehow...

like we often plug in our mains to turn on our computers..even though some can run on batteries..
or we can connect to the internet via the relevant plug ins connection and a modem...(or we use a wifi modem)

So you use an external Earth Made device.. be it computer or tablet or laptop type....that is has a       visual interface..or screen..

you then say...

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The Connection is a Visual Geometric Dialogue.

I am still not sure how this connects from say your earth made computer or device to your Processing system to read the libaries or programs within it..

As far as I know you do not plug it in somehow...
and I dont think it connects via wifi...or RF...

so How specifically does it connect so that you can view your processing systems programs onto your earth made Computer or device  screen ?

That I am not clear about ....

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Astr0
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Can you tell us (unless Ive missed it somewhere) How you connect such devices to enable to to access your processing system...

I have already stated the Interface is Visual.

The Connection is a Visual Geometric Dialogue.


Im not sure why you say my imagination is running away.. was it not a lot of the Illuminati that devised a lot of the past geometric laungaes and images that you relate to in the past..?

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Astr0
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is it just Scientists / Elites or the Illuminati types..
or are there any just average people doing this..

Your Imagination is running away with you again ....   :)


I made some guesses and got no confirmation...

again can I ask that you just give us a few, say 5 good egs where it maybe used best...

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Can you give us some idea of what changes one can make to themselves or experiences by being able to access one processing system ?

What you are asking is like asking, 'How long is a piece of string' ?   :)

That is so often the case with the less educated and less intelligent... they tend to follow what they are advised... but all so often that is not the best advice ... therefore so many fall into problems later in their life.. me included..often from changes made by our leaders who we used to think were always right.. ::)

now often we don't know what to believe with them anymore...but a lot of them may have created such issues...


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Much is brought about by your own Choices .... NOT others.   :(

Part of your Learning process.



Is there any one right choice ?  Im sure there are numerous good and bad ones...

even selecting good options may not get the results one would prefer as their life moves on dependent upon many various things that can happen in between....


They may select a good career that proofs later to be in poor demand... where they may have wasted 10 yrs of their lives or more trying to study for it..
This has happened to many... is that just bad luck..
or may have it been created by certain forces created by those in power who decided that it was no longer needed...20 yrs later its back in demand again...but now that person stopped studying it and is to much out of it to get back in..

I think there can be a lot of fate and luck in ones choices in many cases...not purely down to poor decisions they made at that time...

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1st you need to know the right choices to make.

Your experience is decided by the decisions and Choices you make.


No they cannot..each of us are our own individuals...
with various interests and abilities...and intellects.

Someone with a lower intellect could NOT do some jobs that require a higher intellect..

but a person with high intellect could do a lower intellect job....

here we have two different situations..one unfortunately has restrictions beyond their control..

that is NOT their decision... somehow its made for them without their say...

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We each make our own bed... and have to lie in it, as the saying goes on Earth.

One can NOT walk for another, eat for another, or learn for another !


That seems a HUGE loss of time that you had to go through Matrix as I am sure financial...

if you now feel that you have reached the better outcome...maybe it is down to your efforts..but was there also any luck or fate involved ?

It is a nice feeling I am sure to have arrived at a point that satisfies you..but look at some who become millionaires..some do it in their early 20s... others take a lifetime...most do not get there...most of us Im sure desire such a thing...and would had preferred to have arrived in our 20s..and not to have been unlucky in trying and failing ...esp if we did not make it...its said only a select few are capable of making it...without luck...


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This is something we have to do individually, without complaint, in trusting LIFE.

Something I had to Learn too. It's taken me so far 41 years, starting from about 1973.   :(

I had to sacrifice everything and I mean everything of this world, to know
what I do and experience what I have.   :)

But IF I had to go through it again, which I hope I don't   :(  I would change nothing at all
in spite of suffering !

Unfortunately as we have argued before most Human Primates in this Earth program seem to require money to live in this day and age...

I think we are not brought up to survive in the old ways where maybe we did not need money and could get by by living of the land..or hunting fishing etc..and building our own shelter..

Ive still not seen any evidence from your description to show us how to live in this earth program without money...as in human primate program....all you tell us is when we discover life then we do not need it..

well maybe our avatar bodies and what appears as our lifes the way most think of it...do not see any other option than to get a job, or work or go into ones own business to make money to live a reasonable existence...or get lucky or skillful on some financial market like trading..which I know of some who are very cabable of trading less than an hour a day / or week and make more in a week or month than most make in a year...


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The 'suffering' is part of what opened the door for me ..... Sobered me up.


It has absolutely nothing at all, to do with 'Intelligence' but is instead a precious 'Gift' !


When you discover LIFE, then you can receive the 'Gift'.

If you desire to cling to this world (Earth) it is impossible to receive the 'Gift' !


When one turns to their LIFE instead of the Earth experience, this is the start to a very long journey.

Once starting the Journey, one can't turn back.


You can NOT serve 2 'Masters' as they say.


You can't serve $$$$$$$ or material things and LIFE.

Material meaning ANYTHING of this Universe..

It is one or the other !

LIFE will take away what you believe to be wealth, and replace it with that which is 'LIVING',
which has nothing at all to do with this universe, or any other experiences.

I chose LIFE and the world is powerless to change this, but in doing so I had everything taken from me,
so I could NOT serve 2 Masters.


only if I was able to have it 100% proven to me what you teach is truth beyond my belief and that I also could understand , access and change my processing programs as you describe...then I may decide or start to more fully understand what you are telling us...until then I am unable to take such a chance...

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Turn away from the 'flesh' and turn to LIFE. (Your LIFE, NOT your body)

One has to be committed to LIFE .... If NOT, then you will only suffer more until you do.

HOW MUCH 'Suffering' does one need, in order to turn to LIFE ?
(Your LIFE, NOT your body)

I learnt this the hard way ! And am still learning ... I guess I will never stop learning ...


So you think its too late for me in this present one !  ???

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Perhaps in your next experience, you may discover LIFE ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 09, 2014, 08:15:42 pm
This is for you Astr0 ...   :)

Here is an example of accessing the 'Program Register'.    Normally displayed on a PC.

The Program Register being the upper Left 'Sector'.


Are you able to read the Contents in the 'Strobed' area?

The 'Script' and 'Images' you can see, are presented by the Outer 'End' of your own 'Processing System'.
(Automatically)

This is determined by the opening in the Animation involving a Geometric Language.

In this case involves the main 'Labyrinth'.

I will be showing HOW to explore the billions of 'Labyrinths' in the near future.

It is here we can access the 'Libraries'.

When we access what we want, another 'stage' is involved in the process, which can either display
the 'Contents' on your computer screen, or it can be down loaded to exist as what you may believe,
to be 'physical' in your Environment, in what ever form you instruct it to be.
(Through 'Dialogue' i.e. Programming)



(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/One_Entry_to_the_Program_Register_01.gif)




Let me know WHAT you see in the 'Strobed' area.   :)



I still have a lot of work ahead of me, to get the quality (Line work and Colours correct)
needed.

It's OK on my computer but the quality is not so good in .gif form.

But for all intensive purposes it might work ok for you ?


NOTE:
To view this you may need to experiment a little, regarding how far back from your computer screen
you need to be, to see the 'Dialogue'.

Start from about 60 cm from your Computer Screen.

Play around with this distance until the images appear in the 'Strobed' area.

What you see, and may believe to be on your screen in the Strobed area isn't, but instead it is taking place
in your own 'Processing System' of your Mind.

Please Note; I have NOT put what you see in the Dialogue seen in the Strobed Area, and I challenge anyone
to check this out frame by frame.



Just relax, and take careful note, of all the 'Components' you can see in the 'Strobed' area.

So this is HOW we can Observe ('Read') and 'Write' to our own 'Processing System'.

As you can see it does NOT take 'Intelligence' on your part, to observe the processing
taking place in your own 'Processing System'.

All you have to do, is Observe and be 'Aware' and Alert to what can be seen.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 10, 2014, 03:41:03 pm
Thanks for your reply post Matrix..

Need to give somethings a bit of thought before any detailed reply...

I tried looking at the strobe box...

so far I am unable to make anything out other than a  flashing square  box...

It maybe down to my poor internet connection...

I havve tried enlarging it to different sizes...

at one point all I could seem to see was my pixels on my screen ..ie a series of small dots or boxes..

I may be able to try again on another computer...

Can I ask are we supposed to be seeing some sort of image or written content ?  (You don't have to say what it is at least for a while while I try again a few times)

 



Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 10, 2014, 04:50:02 pm
You can see both Script of various sizes and Images usually involves a 'landscape'.

Enlarging the Image won't help !

The distance you view the animation from the screen involves Parallax and relative size in your vision.

The Format is controlled by the size of the Outer frame and the distance you view it from.

If you try to focus on just the WHITE of the Strobe or just the BLACK of the Strobe you won't see anything.

Try 'Gazing' at it, as though 'daydreaming', but at the same time, taking note of what you see.


It is Processing of the Mind, so it requires 'focusing' the Mind, similar to focussing your eyes.


Some who have attempted to see, have been unable to see anything at 1st but through persistence,
have discovered HOW to see with the Mind !

Most are able to see what I am referring to straightaway.


It's a matter of discovering HOW to see ...

A bit like all of us learning to crawl or walk for the 1st time. Then it takes practice.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 10, 2014, 06:21:32 pm
What I seem to find a bit distracting when looking at the  small top left box that strobes...is the larger surrounding white box...

Also the strobe only last  a few seconds before the whole picture form changes..

so as I am trying to concentrate on the strobe...within about 5 seconds, it disappears and I have to wait sometime again for it to replay...


what I have just noticed is when I try and block out the larger surrounding white box...I do seem to see something in the strobe box, but as yet Im not sure what it is...

Should I make a black facing piece of card with a square cut out to try to block out the surroundings around the strobe box ?  Do you think that may help.. or maybe by doing that may make the effects  not work as they should..

Does it matter if I look at it with just one eye or both ?

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 10, 2014, 06:55:21 pm
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what I have just noticed is when I try and block out the larger surrounding white box...I do seem to see something in the strobe box, but as yet Im not sure what it is...

Should I make a black facing piece of card with a square cut out to try to block out the surroundings around the strobe box ?  Do you think that may help.. or maybe by doing that may make the effects  not work as they should..

What takes place in the Animation prior to the Strobe is the Geometric based Program.
If you alter anything in it, it will do something else.

The WHITE is an important part and I don't recommend you change anything.


It all comes down to seeing with the Mind.

I suspect your 'Parallax' involving the eyes and Mind is out of sync. when observing this.


Here is a little exercise to understand WHAT I am talking about.

Hold up a piece of WHITE cardboard, about 20 cm in front of you.

Now look Farsighted. as though trying to see through the cardboard.


When the 'Parallax' is correct a space will appear beyond the Cardboard.

Nothing magical or mysterious about this.

It is purely to do with the focusing of your Mind.


Try this and learn HOW to control the Parallax involving the Sight of the Mind.

Parallax:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax
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Parallax is a displacement or difference in the apparent position of an object viewed along
two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between
those two lines.

The term is derived from the Greek word Parallaxis (parallaxis), meaning "alteration".

Nearby objects have a larger parallax than more distant objects when observed from different positions,
so parallax can be used to determine distances.

Astronomers use the principle of parallax to measure distances to the closer stars.

Here, the term "parallax" is the semi-angle of inclination between two sight-lines to the star,
as observed when the Earth is on opposite sides of the sun in its orbit.

These distances form the lowest rung of what is called "the cosmic distance ladder",
the first in a succession of methods by which astronomers determine the distances to celestial objects,
serving as a basis for other distance measurements in astronomy forming the higher rungs of the ladder.

Parallax also affects optical instruments such as rifle scopes, binoculars, microscopes, and twin-lens
reflex cameras that view objects from slightly different angles.

Many animals, including humans, have two eyes with overlapping visual fields.

that use parallax to gain depth perception; this process is known as stereopsis.

In computer vision the effect is used for computer stereo vision, and there is a device called a parallax
rangefinder that uses it to find range, and in some variations also altitude to a target.

A simple everyday example of parallax can be seen in the dashboard of motor vehicles that use
a needle-style speedometer gauge.

When viewed from directly in front, the speed may show exactly 60; but when viewed from
the passenger seat the needle may appear to show a slightly different speed, due to the angle of viewing.


Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 10, 2014, 07:40:34 pm
That may be something of interest to me in your statement...

What may be the reasons for them being out of Sync... I get the impression the fact that I am unable to see anything clearly, may suspect that I have a problem of some sort...

Could it be possibly due to brain injury or eye sight  defect ?

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I suspect your 'Parallax' involving the eyes and Mind is out of sync. when observing this.


It may depend upon the size of card...

if it is small, I would see the far distance also in front of me, even if just some more of it being  Peripherally in front ..maybe slightly  to the side of the card.

if the card is large... it would block my far sight..

I assume you mean a piece big enough to block my far sight...

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Here is a little exercise to understand WHAT I am talking about.

Hold up a piece of WHITE cardboard, about 20 cm in front of you.

Now look Farsighted. as though trying to see through the cardboard.


When the 'Parallax' is correct a space will appear beyond the Cardboard.

Nothing magical or mysterious about this.

It is purely to do with the focusing of your Mind.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 10, 2014, 07:53:59 pm
A 20 CM square sized card is quite large and does block my far view quite well at say upto arms length away...

I find it hard to try to focus far sight...when initially having focused upon the card..

whats easier is to look farther away..and move the card in front of me..

then I know I was already in far sight focus mode..

otherwise when focusing on the card.. first....
I am NOT sure how to focus for far sight...without actually doing so...say if I place the card in a position where I can see both the card..and the far distance !

Otherwise if the card alone covers my vision...i get the feeling that I am not sure how to focus to far away...strange, but that is how it seems..


Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 10, 2014, 11:24:57 pm
Astr0.
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A 20 CM square sized card is quite large and does block my far view quite well at say upto arms length away...

TMT
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Hold up a piece of WHITE cardboard, about 20 cm in front of you.

I meant for you to hold the cardboard about 20 cm out in front of you.

Any size of cardboard will do A4 or larger. and hold it at about 20 cm in front of you.

I apologise for not making it clearer.

If you don't have any white cardboard then use a wall instead.

Experiment with the 'Parallax' of the eyes, until like a large space, or empty room appears in your sight
beyond the wall, as though you are looking Through the Wall ...   :)l


The idea of this exercise is for you to take control over your eyes.

Most people have very little control over their eyes, in spite of believing other wise.   :)

They know how to look, but not see.   :(


Remember those 3D pictures that require you to look cross eyed i.e. near sighted and in other cases
far sighted to see them.

Here are a couple of different types.

See the hidden shark;

Look Cross Eyed then slowly relax the eyes until you see the Hollow Image.  :)


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/3D_Pictures/3D_Picture_of_Shark.png)



You can either disbelieve the shark can be seen in this picture, or you can see it ?



Or spot the Letters Q I in this next example.



(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/3D_Pictures/3D_Q_I_Image.jpg)




Another type of 3D picture is to look 'cross eyed' at this Image see below, so a 3rd 'Image' appears.

This 3rd 'Image' appearing in the Centre, is seen as though in 3D ...   :)

Note carefully WHAT you see, in the 3rd 'Image' (Centre) while holding the correct 'Parallax'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/3D_Pictures/3D_Eytukan_cross_eye.jpg)



It's a matter of training your eyes so you can change the 'Parallax' of your eyes at will
your Mind should sync. Automatically with your eyes when you do this.

Astr0
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I find it hard to try to focus far sight...when initially having focused upon the card..

This is why I gave you the exercise so you could overcome this with practice.

Astr0
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whats easier is to look farther away..and move the card in front of me..

then I know I was already in far sight focus mode.

This is dodging the problem ...   Better to overcome the problem....

Astr0
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otherwise when focusing on the card.. first....
I am NOT sure how to focus for far sight...without actually doing so...say if I place the card in a position where I can see both the card..and the far distance !


Again this is WHY I gave you this 'exercise'; To overcome your difficulties in being able
to view the processing system of the Mind.

Astr0
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Otherwise if the card alone covers my vision...i get the feeling that I am not sure how to focus to far away...strange, but that is how it seems..

Experiment with controlling the eyes.

Some find it difficult at 1st but overcome the problem through experimentation.

We learn by discovering new things.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 13, 2014, 02:08:28 am
A Little more regarding the Geometric 'Processing Language', involving 'Labyrinths'.

Interesting to note no one has enquired about the Geometric Programming displayed as a .gif Animation
in this 'Thread' ?

The 'Animation' is a Visual 'Geometric Based Program' involving a Geometric Imagery, instead
of the common Programming methods used in today's Computers.

Let me explain, so hopefully some of you who are computer savvy will know what's going on.
The Mind uses Form or Images, as a complex method of Language both in our daily experience as well as
the 'Processing' taking place in the Mind. (NOT the Brain)

The Brain is Only the 'Decoder/Encoder' of the overall System.

What is experienced in this Universe is totally dependant on this.

Everything we experience is via one form or other, involving 'Communication'.

Even your bodies 'Senses" involves Communication.

Your 'Senses' are just different ways of experiencing this Universe (environmental) Program.
In fact your entire experience involves, experiencing interactive form, or Geometry, which is Computer like
Generated, by the Minds 'Processing System' through 'Communication'.

So too, within the Mind's 'Processing System', Form or 'Shape', 'Location' and 'Colour' (not to be confused
with the Eyes) is the Root of 'Communication'.

Our experience takes place within a visual based 'Labyrinth' as does the 'Processing' too.

We call it a 'Labyrinth,' because the 'End' may not be seen immediately, within any one tunnel.

The Main 'Labyrinth' is full of passages, leading of in all directions forming 'Directories', all of which
is displayed in 2D.

Even our experience of the World is relayed in 2D and through a 'Pseudo Processor' namely our brain
we experience 2D in a 3D like manor.

The Concept of the 'Processing System' is Multi Dimensional, but it is displayed in 2D in front of you,
in the Sight of your Mind.

Here is another Animation just showing the Program 'Language', which leads into either a 'Register' or a  'Directory'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/20141112_Hand_Held_Ogdoad_Interface_01.gif)



I must apologise for the poor Quality of these 2 Animations in this Post. I still have a little to do
to get decent .gif Animations.

Here we use the 'Ogdoad Format', to access the Outer 'Libraries'.

1st of all, this is the Format used in this 'Video Interface' with the Mind.
(There are many different types of these 'Video Interfaces', in fact thousands)


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_002.jpg)



And then a Square 'Hole' is presented to form the Main 'Labyrinth'.
This format is produced to express that this Square 'Hole', has Layers to it.

The size of each of the 'Frames', expresses the Layers, so you can see a 3D scenario can be expressed
in a 2D environment. The Drawing below shows both sets of Layers.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_072.jpg)



And if we remove the 'Octagonal' Registers of all sizes just leaving  the layers it looks like this.
See Drawing below.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_073.jpg)



The next 2 Drawings, reveal one of the 2 Groups of Layers.

These are the Outer Layers of this 'Labyrinth'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_074.jpg)



And here is the Conceptual 'Side Elevation' of the Layered Structure presented in 2D.

Do you recognise this Structure ?


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_075.jpg)



Looks like a Pyramid doesn't it ?

Also note the Inverted one above it, as well as the ones on the Left and Right.

Perhaps we shouldn't be looking at these Pyramids in 'Side Elevation' but rather in 'Plan Elevation' ?
Then perhaps we will unlock WHAT they are Really about ?

'Side Elevation' of part of the Pyramid at Giza:


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza.JPG)



We also have the remains of 'Inverted Pyramids' too .....

Here is a photo I took while in China last time I was there at Yuan Ming Yuan, Beijing.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_077.png)



And the Inner 'Layers'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_078.jpg)



And with the 'Octagonal' Registers removed.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_079.jpg)



And here the Conceptual 'Side Elevation' of the Layered Structure presented in 2D


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_080.jpg)



So perhaps we should take another look at those Pyramids, from around the Earth ?



In the Animation 1st shown in this post, the 5th tree, as it was referred to in some ancient writings,
is selected and using the 'Eye Matrix', recedes back to the desired layer to select the desired format
from that layer which is then bought forward again to be 'Written' to.

This is one of the functions expressed in Geometric Based Programming, involved in the 'Dialogue',
which is used to access the Main 'Temp. Libraries'.

This function is much different from the 1st example shown in the beginning of this Post..


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/20141112_Hand_Held_Ogdoad_Interface_02.gif)



In the above Animation, the 5th layer involving the Ogdoad has been selected 1st, and then the 'Eye Matrix'
recedes taking the Info back to the Outer 'Sector' in the z axis, where a register is chosen,
in this case, from the 'Throne' (Smaller YELLOW 'Octagon') as they were referred to in some ancient writings.

In the Main 'Labyrinth' the Layers exist in 'Modules' of 7's, (Layers) plus their 2 'End' Covers.


The Outer 'Sector'


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_081.jpg)



And the Inner 'Sector'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_082.jpg)



I will explain more about these layers later.   :)

This is WHY the numeral 7 is regarded as 'The Seal of God' by some in numerology.

According to ....

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/the_secret_meaning_of_the_bible.htm

(Not saying it is correct or incorrect ...)
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The system that governs our world consists of seven parts.

In our world we have many divisions into 7 or 70: seventy nations of the world, seven days of the week;
man's soul consists of seventy parts, man's life is considered to be seventy years long, and so on.

The entire path of mankind consists of six days 6000 years of correction.
Common conscious correction of mankind started in 1995 (5755).

During the time left until 6000 years, we, the entire mankind, have to correct ourselves, and later,
in the seventh millennium, receive a deserved, earned reward.

The Concept of the Labyrinth contains an 'Elevator' the Mind use when travelling through itself.

There are billions and billions of sub 'Labyrinths', all having an Elevator some travel into the Concept of infinity.


Have you ever had that 'falling sensation', during Sleep and have woken.

Often this is experienced at or near the end of a dream.

This is the result of receding from a program producing the Dream. (Involving one of these Conceptual 'Elevators'.

It depends on the Conceptual distance the 'Elevator' (a Conceptually a 'platform') travels in one single movement,
and the speed of the transition.

It is during the operation of the 'Addressing System' this can happen.

Often what some believe to be an OBE is in fact, travelling within one owns 'Processing System'
which we can do because our 'Real Selves' Mind/LIFE are Non-Dimensional.

It is only the 'experience' which appears to be dimensional.

In reality we never leave our individual Processing System (Within the network) or Soul, and our whole experience,
takes place within this Conceptual 'Processing System'.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 13, 2014, 04:25:48 pm
This is an example of HOW the Mind presents travelling in a 'Labyrinth' into Eternity.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix//Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Travelling_Into_Eternity_02.gif)



As you see; It appears that the Mind is travelling along the z axis, but in fact what is happening,
the movement is actually outward in the x and y axis.

This is WHY the Mind Processes within a 2D environment as Conceptually it can't run out of space.

Nothing goes anywhere but merely both the 'Species Program' and 'Environmental Programs' continually change
at controlled rates which can be changed at will simply by interfacing with the 'Processing System'
through a Dedicated 'Communication Program'.

This can be done Directly or through one of these 'Video Interfaces' with the Mind.


The 'Frames' represent the Stack of 'Images'. (Environmental Program)

Each Frame is an address involving the Compiling of the 'Environmental Program'.

In the Square format The Environmental Image appears on the 4 Walls.

The same applies in the Round format as well.

I will explain HOW this is achieved later ...   :)

So to produce the experience of crossing Galaxies in Minutes is achieved through a Video Interface
which Interfaces with the mind so the incrementing of the Stack involving the environmental Program
can be changed.

Even a different 'Address' can be selected at any one time, allowing to cross huge distances
as experienced within your Environmental Program in an instant, but miss out on the experience
of viewing your little universe. (like what we would call teleporting)


Travel itself is just that the Incrementing or Decrementing (If walking backward) of a 'Stack'
of Compiled 'Images'.


When you believe you are walking in a street, all that is happening is the 'Stack' involving the Environmental Program
presented in your sight, is being incremented at a controlled rate, just as in the above animation.


To cross 'galaxies' in minutes, requires controlling the 'increment rate' of the Environmental Program 'Stack'.

The Craft therefore, requires to be manufactured in the form of a 'Video Interface'. (Transport Interface)

This 'Interface' isolates the 'Species Program', from the 'Environmental Program', by introducing
an 'Intermediate Environmental Program' i.e. a Craft (or 'Transport Interface')
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Glaucon on November 14, 2014, 01:32:43 am


IF we were to face physical danger..such as in war.. or at the hands of those who may intend harm to us...

Then..our fear may well be different...


I used to be addicted to oxycontin years back and that habit brought me around some questionable individuals.

One of these poor characters tried, to the best of his ability, possess total contol of my life by killing me . I was able to restrain him with his back against my chest and my arms warpped around him and barely enough control over the weapon for protecting only my immediate.  I kept repeating the same question: "Why are you killing me" There was an instant (there was no perceived time) where the slight influence  I perceived i had all my life  was gone.

There was no fear at all. I don't recall assessing anything. The nature of what I'm trying to describe must be experienced ..

But I think I may have one possible simple explanation why  fear invoked you. When Objects in perfect space are moving along the same perfect axis and the distance of space separating them is decreasing, we know with certainty those objects will interact. I'm not sure it matters what was on a collision course with you, you got out of the way.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Glaucon on November 14, 2014, 01:41:13 am
I don't have time right now for a substantive response Traveler, but I think your last post may invoke meta-cognizance  in some agents who have never applied their logic on their logic before.  ;D
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 14, 2014, 04:17:58 am
Glaucon
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I used to be addicted to oxycontin years back and that habit brought me around some questionable individuals.

One of these poor characters tried, to the best of his ability, possess total contol of my life by killing me .
Human reason is indeed a strange phenomena, based on 'Double Logic' present in the human Genome.

This is NOT how one gains Control but rather looses Control instead.

The human species is NOT alive in the 1st Place, but is merely the 'Experience'
of a 'Droplet' (Partition) of LIFE is having.

What the Mind is 'experiencing', is a Complex form of like hypnosis, involving a 'Dialogue' between 2 'Ends'
of a particular Partition of LIFE through a 'Processing System'  in the form of 'Script' involving Program 'Books',
sourced from the 'Libraries' of that same  'Processing System'.

Glaucon
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I was able to restrain him with his back against my chest and my arms warpped around him and barely enough control over the weapon for protecting only my immediate.  I kept repeating the same question: "Why are you killing me" There was an instant (there was no perceived time) where the slight influence  I perceived i had all my life  was gone.

There was no fear at all. I don't recall assessing anything. The nature of what I'm trying to describe must be experienced ..

A more common occurrence in the Earth Program, than most would imagine.   :)

Glaucon
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But I think I may have one possible simple explanation why  fear invoked you. When Objects in perfect space are moving along the same perfect axis and the distance of space separating them is decreasing, we know with certainty those objects will interact. I'm not sure it matters what was on a collision course with you, you got out of the way.

Space is merely a Complex Controlled 'Illusion', jointly experienced by a number of 'Partitions' of LIFE,
experiencing a Common 'Environmental Program'.

The Reason for the 'experience' is NOT for any reason most humans can imagine,
and their reasoning of all, is based on 'Double Logic' within the human Genome.


Before we entered the Earth Program, we (LIFE NOT the 'Flesh' or 'Avatar') knew what
it was all about, but when we entered the 'experience' we no longer knew, (on purpose) until we return
to the Other Conceptual 'End' for whatever reason.

Likewise when our 'Story' is completed re. the human form we experience, and its environment,
we will no longer reason what it is about, but instead understand the process we had experience
when back in the stage before entering the Earth Program. (merely a 'Story' like a 1st person
Computer game, but with a purpose the human species we experienced, was most likely not able
to comprehend in its True Context, while experiencing the Earth Program.   :)

 
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 14, 2014, 04:19:26 am
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I don't have time right now for a substantive response Traveler, but I think your last post
may invoke meta-cognizance  in some agents who have never applied their logic on their logic before.  ;D
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I certainly hope this will be the case ....  :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ElectraDeath on November 15, 2014, 01:19:43 pm
The human species is NOT alive in the 1st Place, but is merely the 'Experience'
of a 'Droplet' (Partition) of LIFE is having.

What the Mind is 'experiencing', is a Complex form of like hypnosis, involving a 'Dialogue' between 2 'Ends'
of a particular Partition of LIFE through a 'Processing System'  in the form of 'Script' involving Program 'Books',
sourced from the 'Libraries' of that same  'Processing System'.

Space is merely a Complex Controlled 'Illusion', jointly experienced by a number of 'Partitions' of LIFE,
experiencing a Common 'Environmental Program'.

The Reason for the 'experience' is NOT for any reason most humans can imagine,
and their reasoning of all, is based on 'Double Logic' within the human Genome.


Before we entered the Earth Program, we (LIFE NOT the 'Flesh' or 'Avatar') knew what
it was all about, but when we entered the 'experience' we no longer knew, (on purpose) until we return
to the Other Conceptual 'End' for whatever reason.

Likewise when our 'Story' is completed re. the human form we experience, and its environment,
we will no longer reason what it is about, but instead understand the process we had experience
when back in the stage before entering the Earth Program. (merely a 'Story' like a 1st person
Computer game, but with a purpose the human species we experienced, was most likely not able
to comprehend in its True Context, while experiencing the Earth Program.   :)

Yet who is the conscious Pupil, Who looks out into this world?.  8)

What about the Conscious Alive etc Dark Energy Bodies/Souls do they not count or matter to so called "Light/Life"?.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 15, 2014, 02:20:07 pm
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Yet who is the conscious Pupil, Who looks out into this world?.  8)

The Partitions of LIFE. (Awareness)

The ONLY ONE 'Aware' of anything is AWARENESS itself.

When you point out a person in the street to someone, you don't say "There is an awareness" !   :)

You either refer to them as a person or by the persons name, NOT an 'Awareness' ...

So you ever count the number of 'Awareness's' in a room, or on an aircraft.

Or is it the number of people instead.

It is True earlier in history they did count the number of Souls on a Ship. (Passengers)

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What about the Conscious Alive etc Dark Energy Bodies/Souls do they not count or matter to so called "Light/Life"?.

The only One Conscious is Consciousness that is why we call Consciousness, Consciousness and NOT human !

WHAT the Ancients referred to the Soul is NOT something ONLY inside the Primate or any other Species
but instead the Soul is the 'Partition MAP' ALL that you experience is INSIDE.

All the Souls are inside 'The 1st Born Soul' as though 'The 1st Born Soul' is a Network of 'Partitions',
each containing their own 'Partition MAP' !

This is WHAT your Partition MAP looks Like. (It is the 'Partition MAP' of Your 'Processing System',
your Experience takes place INSIDE.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images2/MotherMANChild.jpg)



NO the above is NOT a 'Mandala' !

Do you understand 'Virtual Processors', we have today ?

Well, your 'Processing System', ALL is INSIDE, is a 'Conceptual Processing System', Very little
is Known about or Understood in this Earth Program.

Your Experiences of WHAT you believe Reality is very much LIKE a 1st Person Computer Game
but a little  more Sophisticated ..  :)

Dark matter is a human Interpretation or Belief.

The ONLY One ALIVE is The LIVING ONE, in 'The Place of LIFE', 'Your Real SELF' NOT the human PRIMATE.

Your 'Real Self' is the One looking into the Program you believe to be your reality or Universe Environment.

So your 'Real Self' is a 'Partition of LIFE' (Non-Dimensional) and the human Primate you experience
and the Environment it interacts with is the Experience.

The One experiencing and the Experience are 2 entirely DIFFERENT Components.

Check this out for yourself.

See IF any 'Component', of your body is AWARE of YOU ?   :)


That's right the ONLY One Aware is 'AWARENESS' itself, which is NOT part of your Brain.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ElectraDeath on November 15, 2014, 03:23:59 pm
But what does it mean if Darkness i think you call the other end of life, is fully conscious and aware and alive as well, looking through the eyes of humans and animals for example, looking at life and the processing system.

kind of like  8)

would that then make humans and animals actually alive and aware?.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 15, 2014, 04:17:32 pm
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But what does it mean if Darkness i think you call the other end of life, is fully conscious and aware and alive as well, looking through the eyes of humans and animals for example, looking at life and the processing system.

kind of like  8)

would that then make humans and animals actually alive and aware?.)

NO Not at all.

'AWARENESS' or LIFE is WHAT Experiences the 'Species'.

NOT the other way around. IF it were the case you would NOT Die !


'Darkness' was before the 'Awakening' or 'Dawn'.

The 2 'Components' which make up 'Darkness' are BLACK & WHITE. (Mixed)

When these 2 are separated out of 'Darkness' this is the Establishment of LIGHT.

LIFE is NOT 'Darkness' !   :)


LIFE is 'AWARENESS', or 'Conscious Like Awareness' involving 'Self Awareness'.


Some of the Ancients referred to this as 'The True Mind'.


So 'Darkness' and 'Awareness' are totally different 'Components'.


It's a bit like a cup of Coffee where the Cup is NOT the Coffee neither is the Coffee the Cup 1


What is Looking .....  is LIFE NOT any Species.

The species provides the 'Program Filter', determined by its Genome.


Just because, what is active in the 'Visual Cortex' of the brain, does NOT imply that is actually  what
we are observing. (i.e. Universe environment)

Most in the Earth Program assume what is being decoded in the 'Visual Cortex' is actually them existing
in a multidimensional Universe.

Much is yet to be discovered ....  :)


WHAT we observe is 'Program Script', which is then decoded by your brain, acting LIKE a 'Program Filter'.


This Information is then 'Encoded' into The Language of the Mind i.e. LIFE or 'AWARENESS'.

The Brain is also a 'Pseudo Processor'.   :)

The 'Images' and 'experience' takes place INSIDE what some of the Ancients referred to as the Soul.
(The definition of the Soul having been lost in history)


The Drawing below is of the Component what 'Reads' the 'Program Script'.
(Which can be Rotated into different Orientations in the 2D Perspective.)

The 'Script' is read from the 'Stacks' behind a 'Round Mask' accessed through the Octagonal 'Holes'
in the 'Round Mask'.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix//Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_058.png)




The 'Species' sees nothing at all.

As I said check it out for yourself and see IF any component of your body knows YOU or IF any Component
of your Body/Avatar even knows it exists.   :)

Its NOT any 'Species', which sees ....  but ONLY LIFE i.e. 'AWARENESS'. (The Real YOU)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 15, 2014, 05:59:01 pm
Here is an example of the Labyrinth again containing your Environmental Program and selecting a Layer
which can then travel within the Labyrinth.

In this case I have shown the layers 'Partition MAP' Only.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Travelling_Into_Eternity_03.gif)


The Layers can be assigned a billion and one different functions. In other words the presentation of
Conceptual Layering can be used in a Billion and one different ways.   :)


If our Environment is considered; The layering within a 'Labyrinth' used for example, when a square or Rectangular room
is being presented and experienced there are 2 different types of presentation being presented.

1.   An 'Outer' Program
and
2.   An 'Inner' Program.

Here is a Drawing of the 'Labyrinth' again but this time showing a Room in Skeleton form and the Registers
producing the Room.

1st the Outer Program and the Registers assigned to this.
These Registers produce the Floor, Ceiling, Left and Right Walls. (of the 'Labyrinth' or Room)

Remember we are referring to a Program much like that that involving Animation Software.
These Drawings involve the Animation 'Stage'.

The Stage:

Watch this short Video.

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/learn-flash-professional-cs6-/the-stage-and-work-area/


And a little reading ...

http://edutechwiki.unige.ch/en/Flash_CS6_desktop_tutorial


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_083.jpg)



The Registers in between the corners provide the 'Contents' of the walls, ceiling and floor.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_084.jpg)



And here with the 'Partition MAP' not shown in its 'Inner' Area.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_085.jpg)



The Only Layer we ever see is the Front Most Layer.

Layers expand outward in rotation in the x and z axis and as each layer becomes the largest size
automatically replacing the near most layer.

This refresh is controlled by the Program.

A 2nd set of Registers provide the contents within the 'boundaries' of the room or Labyrinth rear wall.
And if a number of walls are seen they each have their designated layers, as do the contents within the room itself.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_087.jpg)



And the Program Layer to set up a Read Wall.

(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_088.jpg)



I've added a mask just to represent the Wall.

To find the Contents of the Wall, or edit it, bring the Wall to the front and read the data content.

Some layers remain transparent.

While Others have transparent areas, where data is Not presented.

On assembly, all the 'Frames' are stacked and are the same Size.

The View in 'Perspective' is only one way of displaying the 'Stack' and there can be billions of 'Stacks'
each relating to different things, and/or used in different ways.

Often the 'Stack' is also displayed in Oblique Isometric form.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ElectraDeath on November 16, 2014, 09:16:27 pm
NO Not at all.

'AWARENESS' or LIFE is WHAT Experiences the 'Species'.

NOT the other way around. IF it were the case you would NOT Die !


'Darkness' was before the 'Awakening' or 'Dawn'.

The 2 'Components' which make up 'Darkness' are BLACK & WHITE. (Mixed)

When these 2 are separated out of 'Darkness' this is the Establishment of LIGHT.

LIFE is NOT 'Darkness' !   :)


LIFE is 'AWARENESS', or 'Conscious Like Awareness' involving 'Self Awareness'.


Some of the Ancients referred to this as 'The True Mind'.


So 'Darkness' and 'Awareness' are totally different 'Components'.


It's a bit like a cup of Coffee where the Cup is NOT the Coffee neither is the Coffee the Cup 1

What is Looking .....  is LIFE NOT any Species.

The 'Species' sees nothing at all.

As I said check it out for yourself and see IF any component of your body knows YOU or IF any Component
of your Body/Avatar even knows it exists.   :)

Its NOT any 'Species', which sees ....  but ONLY LIFE i.e. 'AWARENESS'. (The Real YOU)

So Darkness and Mother + Father Are/Were the Real First of All, and First Awareness/Mind  :)

This would mean that The Geometric Processing System/GOD came later and The Light/Christ and Place of Life, Son of Man came later as well, like  by products building up from the interaction of The Real First/All (Darkness) Black and White (Mother and Father).

Yet why are all the Light based Religions claiming they are first?, like how they say Christ/Son/Light is first and the all?, or that everything came from the Place of Life/Light etc?.

Your Coffee Cup Analogy is very wrong, The Coffee and Cup are One  :) the Cup gets warm with the Coffee, The Coffee stains the Cup etc, try drinking your morning coffee without your Favourite Cup  :)

The Human Body is Aware also, the Immune System is Aware and also Aware of the Environment, and the whole system is symbiotic and aware of itself and knows itself :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 16, 2014, 10:51:38 pm
ElectraDeath
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So Darkness and Mother + Father Are/Were the Real First of All, and First Awareness/Mind  :)

The 'Awakening' took place 1st.

Father comes from Farther (Farther Away) meaning 'OUTER'.

In an ancient Non Canon writing  Quote;

Quote
"The Pharisees and the scribes
have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE
and HIDDEN THEM.

They themselves have NOT entered,
nor have they allowed to enter those
who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

 :)

The words Father and Farther sound Audibly the same.
Both involving the same subject in a number of different ways.

Father meaning Previous or Male parent.

Farther meaning Farther Away in this case from the Centre being the Child and was Previous to the Child.

The Child being the 'Absolute Centre' the Farther (Father) being the Outer.

When a Carpenter from Galilee said, 'I go to My Farther', means away from the location present,
which was the 'Centre'.

It's a strange situation really because a 'Non Dimensional location' gave birth to its' Outer' through the expression in terms of Conceptual 'Dimension'.

Then the 'Outer' gave birth to a 2nd 'Absolute Centre', once again involving the Conceptual Expression
of 'Dimension'.

The Mother of God refers to the 'Receptacle' or 'Container' of the Contents (Male) in the Concepts
involving Form or Dimension.

ElectraDeath
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This would mean that The Geometric Processing System/GOD came later and The Light/Christ and Place of Life, Son of Man came later as well, like  by products building up from the interaction of The Real First/All (Darkness) Black and White (Mother and Father)

Sort of, but NOT altogether Correct !

'SELF AWARENESS', came 1st, then the 'EXPRESSION' of 'The ALL' in terms of Conceptual 'Form; through 'Dialogue',
a Processing Language referred to by some ancient writings as 'The WORD of GOD') between its Conceptual 'Ends'.

This Produced the FORM i.e. the MOTHER (That which contains the 'Contents'.)

The FATHER is The OUTER 'Contents'.

The Son of MAN is the 'Contents' of ' The Core Processor '.

The Name A'DAM refers to the 'Primate' Model. And MAN refers to the Soul.

The human 'Species', the A'DAM Model, has Coveted the title, MAN.

Hence The Son of MAN and NOT the Son of A'DAM.

ElectraDeath
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Yet why are all the Light based Religions claiming they are first?, like how they say Christ/Son/Light
is first and the all?, or that everything came from the Place of Life/Light etc?.

Corruption !

ElectraDeath
Quote
Your Coffee Cup Analogy is very wrong, The Coffee and Cup are One  :) the Cup gets warm with the Coffee, The Coffee stains the Cup etc, try drinking your morning coffee without your Favourite Cup  :)

The Human Body is Aware also, the Immune System is Aware and also Aware of the Environment, and the whole system is symbiotic and aware of itself and knows itself :)

LOL ...

ElectraDeath
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Your Coffee Cup Analogy is very wrong, The Coffee and Cup are One  :)

The cup looks nothing like Coffee ....

We add Coffee to a Cup...    :)  Well some of us do....    :)

ElectraDeath
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the Cup gets warm with the Coffee, The Coffee stains the Cup etc, try drinking your morning coffee without your Favourite Cup  :)

Do you also Consume the Cup as well as the Coffee ?

I only drink the coffee .....  :)  then wash the cup.   :)

Perhaps Your logic stems from 'Double Logic' in your human Genome ...

ElectraDeath
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The Human Body is Aware also, the Immune System is Aware and also Aware of the Environment, and the whole system is symbiotic and aware of itself and knows itself :)

These are Automatic Processes taking place in your experiences (Body) 'Peripherals' ...  :)


Ask any Component of your body if it knows you ?  LOL.

You won't get a response and you know it.
Unless you suffer from  schizophrenia or other mental evilness ? (Not saying you do)

http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/help-information/mental-health-a-z/H/hearing-voices/
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Hearing voices is a common symptom of severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.

Voices can be critical or they can be complementary and many people may be able to find ways
to live with them.

It's difficult to explain what it is like to hear voices, particularly if you've never heard voices yourself.

However, the experience of hearing voices is not as alien as it is generally thought to be.


(Although I am NOT a religious person, I was educated in theology.
(a long time ago, Post Secondary School education)


This is the problem;

The human Primate desperately, wants or desires the flesh to be Living, due to Insecurity,
but a certain Carpenter from Galilee said, Quote;

Quote
56.   Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world

has found only a corpse,

and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world."

 :)

I guess He was 100% Correct. after all.   ;)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ElectraDeath on November 17, 2014, 01:41:48 pm
So Essentially the Darkness and The Big Mama or Mother are The All?.

Even though you can see things as being Peripherals in The Matrix with your Eyes, it would all still be Connected and Aware etc, like Symbiotic?.

Back to the Coffee and Cup or Coffee Cup :) do you use the Handle when holding the Cup of Coffee or Not?, and if you use the Handle why do you use the Handle to Hold the Cup of Coffee?.

Also as i said before, can you drink your Cup of Coffee without Your Favourite Coffee Cup?  :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 17, 2014, 07:30:08 pm
So Essentially the Darkness and The Big Mama or Mother are The All?.

All means ALL....  NOT Some !

ElectraDeath
Quote
Even though you can see things as being Peripherals in The Matrix with your Eyes, it would all still be Connected and Aware etc, like Symbiotic?.

Back to the Coffee and Cup or Coffee Cup :) do you use the Handle when holding the Cup of Coffee or Not?, and if you use the Handle why do you use the Handle to Hold the Cup of Coffee?.

Also as i said before, can you drink your Cup of Coffee without Your Favourite Coffee Cup?  :)
???

Yes, from another cup in a Coffee Shop.

Or if slightly strange, straight from the Coffee machine ...  :)

Do you swallow the cup Too?   ;)

So they the 'Cup' and the 'Coffee' are NOT one after all ....   :)

Unless you are in the habit of swallowing your Cup ?     ;)

'Philosophy' changes nothing.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 17, 2014, 08:50:04 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI[/youtube]

It is the 'Dialogue' that produces your experience. (Body and your little Universe)

What you interpret to be the Universes is actually NOT there at all.   :)

We 'Partitions' of LIFE exist in 'The Place of LIFE' as referred to in some ancient writings.

And the Whole 'Illusion', involving this little universe, is taking place in/from that Non Dimensional 'Environment'.

It is only the 'Dialogue' which makes you believe you universe is there,
and all that supposedly happens to me, you, and others.   :)

The 'Dialogue' is the 'Program Language' of the Mind referred to as LIFE or 'The True Mind'
i.e. 'AWARENESS'.

Some of the Ancient Writings referred to this 'Dialogue' as The WORD.

The 'Dialogue' is So Perfect it has us believing the this universe is 'Reality', but in fact,
an Interactive 'Story', there for a reason few on earth know or understand.   :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ElectraDeath on November 18, 2014, 03:37:01 pm
All means ALL....  NOT Some !

So that would mean that The Light or Life and Place Of Life and The Geometric Processing System cannot be claimed to be The All Either then?, they would be just a part of The All, i.e. created by The All?.

From how you describe the process of the Beginning, that would mean only The Darkness and The Mother can probably claim to have been The All, like exclusively, though it would of been at some time in the Past before Creating other things?.  :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 18, 2014, 04:56:25 pm
What has always been, is 'NOTHING', but 'Nothing' is Something  :o

IF NOT, we would NOT have the word in our Language or be able to discus it !

This 'NOTHING' is of a Paradoxical and 'Astable' nature, being both 'Nothing'/'Something'.

It was this which 'Awoke'. (became 'Aware' of Itself)

It was the 'Astable State' between its 2 'States', Something and Nothing which initiated
the 1st Concept 'To & Fro'. (Oscillation)

This is WHERE 'Awareness' was born out of 'Nothing'.

Hence some of the Ancient writings, (Non Canon ... The validity of such writings, are Not so important,
but rather the 'Content' is interesting record, of ancient writings) a Carpenter/builder from Galilee,
was reported to have said, Quote;
Quote
50.  Jesus said, "If they say to you, "Where did you come from?"

say to them, "We came  from The LIGHT,

the place where The LIGHT came into being  on its own accord

and established itself and became manifest through their IMAGE."

The word <their> referring to the 2 'Components'

Quote
If they say to you "Is it you?"

say,  "We are its children, and we are the elect of The LIVING FATHER."

If they ask you, "What is the sign of your FATHER in you ?"

say to them, "It is 'MOVEMENT' and 'REPOSE'."

Note: 'Movement' and 'Repose' are Opposites !   :)

As is 'Something' and 'Nothing'. (But are sub components of itself !)

Even Scientists have huge problems/difficulties in understanding What 'Nothing' really is,
WHERE it came From, and a full understanding, of this Elusive and Complex/Involved Phenomena.



So we could say 'The ALL' is actually Nothing having Self 'AWARENESS' if you can get your head
around this subject ?

Some of the most brilliant Scientists on earth, find this subject a very difficult area to understand
in its True Context.   :)


Back in my earlier years, a Prof. invited us to bring up a subject for discussion.

I suggested the subject of 'Nothing'. (just to be a nuisance)  :)


There was an abundance of Laughter from the other Students, but Prof. interjected, saying that the Subject
was actually, the most Elusive and Complex of all Subjects.

Just one of the experiences, that inspired me, to enquire further.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on November 18, 2014, 09:41:02 pm
What has always been, is 'NOTHING', but 'Nothing' is Something  :o

IF NOT, we would NOT have the word in our Language or be able to discus it !

This 'NOTHING' is of a Paradoxical and 'Astable' nature, being both 'Nothing'/'Something'.

It was this which 'Awoke'. (became 'Aware' of Itself)

It was the 'Astable State' between its 2 'States', Something and Nothing which initiated
the 1st Concept 'To & Fro'. (Oscillation)

This is WHERE 'Awareness' was born out of 'Nothing'.

The Nothing....


[youtube]_-5QTdC7hOo[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-5QTdC7hOo
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 18, 2014, 10:26:55 pm
It's interesting HOW most on Earth, fear the 'Nothing', and try in vain, turn it into 'something' it isn't.


Is it because few understand that 'Nothing' is 'Something' ?


You see there isn't anything that exists, which is NOT of a 'Pair'.

The Outer Can't exist without an Inner.

Even a Conceptual Geometric Plain with NO Material Content, can't exist without Ends in the Form
of 'Faces'.

Even IF such is visualised in our 'Imagination', it still has that 'Pair'.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0000.gif)


The 'Absolute Centre' of anything is Non Dimensional !

And ALL has an 'Absolute Centre' whether Dimensional or Not.    :)


If Something Denies its Nothing then it renders itself Unaware and Non existent.

And IF such a Face of a 'Plane' could exist by itself, even in the Imagination, it still has an Inner and Outer.

the 'Pair' can NOT be entirely Separated, so each exist without the other.

Just like the 'Absolute Centre', can't be taken away from any Form, including the Conceptual.



I guess the Lack of knowledge (Ignorance) of 'Nothing', is what installs 'fear' in many, from the Root of 'Ignorance'.

But even 'Knowledge' can't exist without 'Ignorance' ....

To be ashamed of 'Ignorance' is to be Empty, but Emptiness is only one Component of 'Nothing',
just as 'knowledge' is a Component of 'Nothing'.



In an Ancient Writing called 'The Thunder Perfect Mind', it is written ... Quote;

Quote
You who Know Me, be ignorant of Me, and those who have Not Known Me, let them Know Me.

For I Am Knowledge and ignorance.

I Am Shame and Boldness.

I Am Shameless; I Am Ashamed.

I Am Strength and I Am Fear.

I Am War and Peace.

Give heed to Me.

I Am The One Who is Disgraced and The Great One

Give Heed to My Poverty and My Wealth.

Do Not be Arrogant to Me when I Am cast out upon the earth,

and you will find Me in those that are to come.

And do Not look upon Me on the dung-heap,

nor go out and leave Me cast out,

and you will find Me in The Kingdoms.

And do Not look upon Me when I Am cast out

among those who are disgraced and in the least places, nor laugh at Me.

And do Not cast Me out among those who are slain in violence.

But I, I Am Compassionate and I Am cruel.

Be on your Guard ?

Do Not hate My obedience and do Not Love My Self Control.

In My weakness, do Not forsake Me, and do Not be afraid of My Power.

For why do you despise My fear and curse My pride?

But I Am She who exits in all fears and strength in trembling.

I Am She who is weak, and I Am Well in a pleasant place.

I Am Senseless and I Am Wise.

Why have you hated Me in your counsels ?

For I shall be Silent among those who are Silent,

and I shall appear and speak, why then have you hated Me,

And We are all guilty of this .... as it is Part of 'The ALL' ....
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 19, 2014, 04:29:14 pm
A subject we should NOT fear but gain more understanding about.

From the human perspective, and then from the perspective of our Real Selves (LIFE).

Below is a Conclusion of a rational paper, about death and dying.

But 1st here is some of my thoughts on the subject.

Most will wonder Why I bring up this subject ?

It lays in the root of human Psychology and is probably the Common denominator behind WHAT
steers our experiences in this Experience involving our Species and the Earth/Universe.

It primarily involves this 'Nothing' so many fear and portray it in movies etc. in various ways.

I am NOT talking about so much about the Phobia of Death, but rather the human response in general.

The whole paper the Conclusion is from in fact is a very good and balanced overall view of the subject.

Many believe that the knowledge of Nothing (believed to be Nothingness) is behind our fear of death.

IF it is it is because of the myths regarding the word 'Nothing'.

It's when we come to understand and accept the NOTHING is actually Something in that these 2 Components
exist as a Unique Pair, in that they are Opposites and Can NOT be totally Separated.


What is most Important is the 'Component' which exists between the 'Opposites' which behaves very much
like that of a Comparator and the whole of existence is based on, the comparing of anything with anything.

It is HOW we distinguish 'Form', the expression of 'Geometry' comes from.

And without it there is No 'Dialogue' and thus NO experience or even the knowledge of 'Self'.

It is the Activity taking place between these 'Opposites' (Conceptual 'ENDS') the Nature (Spirit) is
produced. We could say that LIFE is the State of Activity between the 'ENDS' and this is WHY
in religious beliefs LIGHT is associated with the LIFE.


In the Not so distant future, the world (Earth) will obtain the knowledge that LIGHT is in fact the result
of the Activity of LIFE.

In other words it is the 'To & Fro' action between the 'Opposites' (BLACK & WHITE) as well as the Mixing
of these 2 'Components', which are essentially 'Communication', in that Change is involved.


Without 'Change' being presented, 'Communication' can NOT exist, for it involves
the Presentation of Change.

For example in the English Language it is achieved by the change in Sound or in written material
as change presented in the form of 'Strings' of Letters forming 'Strings' of Words which essentially
uses art (Form) in the form of 'Strings' of Stick Drawings.


The Same applies to our experience involving the human species and its environment for it also involves
change.

It is produced by the changing forms within our sight, ALL other forms of experience is derived from !
Such as 'Taste', 'Touch', 'Smell', 'Thought', and others. Even our 'Emotions' are derive from 'Form'.

So there is Nothing at all to fear from the understanding of this 'Nothing/Something', but instead
everything to gain.   :)


So here is the Link.

http://www.sagepub.com/upm-data/5233_Bryant_Sample_Article_Universal_Fear.pdf

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CONCLUSION
The evidence suggests that human progress is indeed ultimately driven by the fear of death.

Death, in all its complexity, finality, and absurdity, its challenge to existence, its ugliness, pain,
and isolation, and its power to deprive, continues to hold sway over humankind.

The anthropological record suggests that early human societies experienced death as children
might, as a faceless, nameless horror that sought to deprive them of the few pleasures offered
by existence.
There were understandably mixed reactions to death, accept its lordship, make excuses for it,
create a more powerful friend to humankind and enemy to death, avoid it, embrace it, or deny
its finality.

Experience with the world over time suggested a variety of means for incorporating the unwanted
and yet ever present guest into the human household.

The history of humankind represents the sum total of the various experiments that have evolved
to minimise the effects of death’s constant presence in the midst of human society.

Death has been inextricably linked to the death of the body and the body’s fallibilities,its susceptibility
to disease, injury, and death.

Humans have sought to blame themselves for the body’s weaknesses and have established practices
aimed at strengthening the body, through morality, diet, exercise, medicine, magic, and supplications
to the gods.

The spirit or soul, on the other hand, has come to be conceptualized in most cultures as the seat
of reason, hope, truth, and immortality.

NOTE: The original Definition of the Word Soul was certainly NOT just another name
for 'Spirit' but however this does NOT lessen the validity of the comments made in this Paper.

The Definition of the Word Soul today has evolved in such a way through history, the original definition
has become LOST !

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Humans have dichotomised themselves and convinced themselves that if only they could
be free of the body, then they could be truly free.

Yet most still fear the prospect of a bodiless existence, so much so that many religions offer a new body
on the other side of death.

One of the most basic responses to death in all human societies has therefore been to place restrictions
on the fulfilment of bodily desires.

Yet excessive self-denial of the body by an overreaching conscience can be equally harmful to the being.

Societies can lean toward either too little discipline and too much self-indulgence or too many restrictions
on human desire and creativity.

Both paths Universal Fear of Death and Cultural Response–•–11 01-I-Vol-I-Bryant.qxd 8/14/03 5:56 PM Page 11
can lead to the very death whose avoidance is sought.

The theme of psychoanalysis for individuals and for societies should therefore be the same,
to prevent individuals or societies from being overwhelmed by either the desires of the body
or the strictures of conscience and law.

The goal is to develop a healthy balance of the two forces, so the personality of the individual or society
can live life with maximum success, which means maximum happiness and pleasure and minimum pain
and suffering.

It is this ideal that is embodied in the modern human project.

Culture is the primary vehicle through which passion and reason are mediated, and by which the pangs
of death are lessened.

Culture ennobles efforts at self-restraint and turns into heroes those who deny the self and face the possibility
of self-annihilation for a larger cause.

Through culture, the insulting banality that death confers on life is transformed through symbolism
into a noble quest for being, a heroic struggle against the forces of evil.

Funerals, birth ceremonies, remembrances of the dead, memorials, holy days, and other rituals,
as well as art, literature, and drama, all seek to clothe the stark, absurd events of life and death
within a system that gives human history meaning and purpose.

Cultural productions order seemingly random and meaningless events into coherent narratives
whose ultimate goal is to grant dignity to humans in the face of the utter disregard that nature
seems to have for life.

In sum, although death’s sovereignty will persist for some time to come, the human spirit will forever
struggle to deprive it of its central place in human existence.

An Excellent Paper, but I don't go along with it 100%, but it does reflect the attitudes of
the human species at large.

The whole Paper is still worth reading though.


Referring to 'Nothingness'

NOTE: Nothingness is only a little part of the Component 'Nothing' !


Another ...

http://www.grin.com/en/e-book/92405/the-fear-of-nothingness-in-hemingway-s-a-clean-well-lighted-place

The Fear of Nothingness in Hemingway's "A Clean, Well-Lighted Place"

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Excerpt

'The Fear of Nothingness'
in Hemingway’s “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place”

IN his stylistic masterpiece, “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place,” Ernest Hemingway confronts his readers
with the omnipresent fear of nothingness. The main characters of the story show different ways
of dealing with that  problem, but only the older waiter is able to present a satisfying solution.

By establishing a haven for all desperate people who need a dignified place to dispel their fear,
the old waiter has found his meaning in life  and therefore, his way to combat his fear of nothingness.

According to him, life does not need to be senseless and end in despair, as long as one keeps composure
and protects one’s own dignity and the dignity  of others.

To ensure a better understanding of the story, it is necessary to give a brief insight into the general idea
of existentialist philosophy in advance.

Generally, the followers of this philosophical movement, originating  in Kierkegaard’s and Nietzsche’s
philosophical approaches in the 19th century, discuss questions about human existence and the problems
which arise from it.

The general idea of existentialist philosophy is the  assumption that, due to the absence of a transcendent
force and authority, all individuals are entirely free, and therefore, have the freedom of choice as a basic principle.

Consequently, the choice is both essential  for the human existence and inevitable, because refusing
to choose is also a choice.

In contrast to the traditional conception, the existentialists believe that an individual choice cannot
be judged objectively.

Every  individual must decide for himself what morally good behaviour is.

According to Sartre, who is deemed the founder of the French existentialism, the human being
is “condemned to be free,” which is a heavy burden. Inevitably, the free choice entails the individual’s
ultimate responsibility for his or her decisions, regardless of the consequences.

According to the existentialists, it is a basic state of all human beings to  live with the permanent fear
of being threatened.

It is a profound fear of the uncertain, the existential fear of nothingness.

The philosophical term, used for this anxiety, is angst.

The story takes up the existentialist  approaches and shows different possible options in dealing with it.

The concept of angst is transferred into the idea that an omnipresent fear of nothingness exists,
which drives the human being into despair, if he does not find a way to cope with his fear.

Furthermore, the story has adopted the assumption that a transcendent power does not exist
and therefore, the human being cannot rely on anything, which will combat his  fear.

Accordingly, he has to find his own way of dealing with the fear of nothingness and to bear
the consequences of his decisions on his own.

Each character of the story has found a way in dealing with the  problem, but only one character
seems to be able to present a convincing possibility.

As mentioned before, the fear of nothingness seems to dominate “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place”
and therefore, it is essential to comprehend what is meant by the term and how it is realized in the story.
Looking at the story from an existentialist point of view, the fear of nothingness of the old man
and the old waiter is an omnipresent dread, which threatens their existence.

According to Steven K. Hoffman, the nothingness “was not fear or dread” (383), which would imply
a specific object to be feared, but a pervasive uneasiness, an existential anxiety that, according
to Heidegger, arises when one becomes fully aware of the  precarious status of his very being.

On the basis of this statement, nothingness is not a specific threat, but a universal state,
a certain uneasiness that shows different incarnations, which appear to every individual in different ways.

One of the most fearsome incarnations of nothingness is death, which is present in the story
in the death of the old man’s wife and his own attempted suicide.

Death can occur to anyone at any time and is therefore a clear proof of  the radical contingency
and limitation of the human being.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: xizd on November 21, 2014, 06:31:40 am
Would suicide be the overcoming of the fear of nothingness, or the giving in to the despair of nothingness? Is it an acceptable way to explore the possibilities of death?
The non-dimensional environment which our souls inhabit, can we sense the existence of other souls? Can we communicate with other souls? Are we absorbed in the experiences of our meat puppets, or are we able to turn away from the story and experience other things?
Please ignore if these are irrelevant questions or the answers don't really matter.
Thank you Matrix for taking the time and making the effort to help us understand things that are so foreign to us. It must be exasperating from your perspective.
My hope is that continual exposure will lead to understanding, eventually.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 21, 2014, 03:56:52 pm
Would suicide be the overcoming of the fear of nothingness, or the giving in to the despair of nothingness? Is it an acceptable way to explore the possibilities of death?
The non-dimensional environment which our souls inhabit, can we sense the existence of other souls? Can we communicate with other souls? Are we absorbed in the experiences of our meat puppets, or are we able to turn away from the story and experience other things?
Please ignore if these are irrelevant questions or the answers don't really matter.
Thank you Matrix for taking the time and making the effort to help us understand things that are so foreign to us. It must be exasperating from your perspective.
My hope is that continual exposure will lead to understanding, eventually.
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Would suicide be the overcoming of the fear of nothingness, or the giving in to the despair of nothingness?
Is it an acceptable way to explore the possibilities of death?

The Experiences of those who have committed suicide, and returned to this experience, usually reveal
a very unpleasant experience.

My thoughts on the subject of Suicide is that perhaps the real issue, is that most if not all are trying to 'dodge'
this experience for whatever reasons.

This world (Experience) is here for a reason! Which is NOT for reasons most may imagine.

It is therefore of the utmost importance we complete the experience (Earth Program) and NOT try or Attempt
to dodge it .

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The non-dimensional environment which our souls inhabit, can we sense the existence of other souls?

There is a Environment we need to know about and understand. There is an 'Environment' involving Souls
as they were referred to in Ancient Writings, ((The knowledge now Lost due to the changing Definition
of the Word Soul, through History brought about by both 'Politics', 'religion' (an Institution of Politics)
and the 'Scribes'. (Those setting the Standards involving written language as well as translating))
which is the Outer World we view from.

It is this Environment we return to on the completion of experiencing this world.
The Outer Abode also involves a world based on the principals of Dimension or form which may
be interpreted as what some think is the Spiritual world in today's understanding by those in the Earth program.

It is the World we return to (In the same place as all this is taking place in a Non-Dimensional 'Environment'
producing the Illusion of 'Dimension' through 'Dialogue', involving a Processing Language.

In that world 'Video Interfaces' are used, to experience such worlds as the Earth.


In this Environment; Can we Quote;
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can we sense the existence of other souls?

The short answer is YES.

Now beyond this abode exists the Soul, which is a 'Partition' of a huge 'Network' of a similar Construction
as the Soul, sometimes referred to as 'The 1st Born Soul', (Our Souls are in this Construct) and to answer
your question Quote]
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The non-dimensional environment which our souls inhabit, can we sense the existence of other souls?

Again the Short answer is YES.

But a Soul does NOT Inhabit 'The Place of LIFE' as many might think of or want to believe.

But I suppose you could say the soul does depending on ones interpretation of the word 'Inhabit'.

Let me explain it in this way; Rather than the Soul inhabiting 'The Place of LIFE' it is around
the other way, where rather the case is, LIFE inhabits the Soul.

The Soul is really a Partition MAP used in Processing Which a LIFE uses. (LIFE being interpreted as
a State of 'Awareness' and 'Self Awareness. (or being Awake NOT asleep)

For example in one ancient writing 'The Dialogue of The Savior',  Quote;
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Matthew said, “Tell me, Lord, how the dead die, and how the Living Live?”

140.
The Lord said, “You have asked Me for a word about that which eye has not seen,
nor have I heard about it, except from you.

But I say to you, that when that which moves man is withdrawn he will be called ‘dead,’
and when The Living one sets free the dead one, he will be called Living.’”

Judas said, “Why then, by The Truth, do they die and Live?”

The Lord said, “He Who is from The Truth does NOT die;

he who is from the woman dies.”

To be dead is to be Unaware i.e. Asleep ....  and to be Alive is to be 'Aware'.

I am referring to The LIFE and NOT to the flesh/body or 'Avatar'.

Avatar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_person_(video_games)

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Games with a first-person perspective are usually avatar-based, wherein the game displays
what the player's avatar would see with the avatar's own eyes.

Thus, players typically cannot see the avatar's body, though they may be able to see the avatar's weapons
or hands.


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Stalkershot_2.jpg)



So Death is Unawareness ....   LIFE is 'AWARENESS' and 'SELF AWARENESS' itself.

Once again as in the following text refers to the flesh/body or 'Avatar' (the individual Species or body Program)
as being dead but something else being alive ! In another ancient writing,  Quote;
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56.
Jesus said, "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a Corpse,

and whoever has found a Corpse is Superior to the world."

The quotes I have give are NOT intended for religious interpretation but rather to show throughout history
many have been inspired by these thoughts.

Another from the same writing, also referring to both the Flesh/body or 'Avatar' and the Soul, Quote;

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87.
Jesus said, "Wretched is the body that is  dependent upon a body,

and wretched is the soul that is dependent on these two."

But rather we should be dependant on LIFE because LIFE is the 'Real Self' and Eternal,
Not like the 'Avatar'

IF and WHEN we are honest with ourselves such thoughts may arise about these Questions
especially when our experience of Earth draws nearer.

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Can we communicate with other souls?

One 'Partition' of LIFE can communicate with another through the Soul, in the form of Geometric Language,
once known as the ZION (NOT Hebrew) language on Earth.

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Are we absorbed in the experiences of our meat puppets, or are we able to turn away from the story and experience other things?

The experience of the human Avatar and Earth are very Important, performing a 'Function' Critical
to the upgrading of the 'Processing System' (Soul).

There is an old saying ....
You can NOT LOVE the 'TREE' and Hate the 'FRUIT', neither can you LOVE the 'FRUIT' and Hate the 'TREE'.

So many do exactly this.

But I say.... LOVE both the' TREE' and Its 'FRUIT' !

If we don't .....  then it is Hypocrisy !

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Please ignore if these are irrelevant questions or the answers don't really matter.
Thank you Matrix for taking the time and making the effort to help us understand things that are so foreign to us.
It must be exasperating from your perspective.
My hope is that continual exposure will lead to understanding, eventually.

Your questions are at the very 'Root' in understanding this World (Earth Experience).   :)

Many others as well, should be asking Questions regarding the Earth and Universe.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 21, 2014, 05:19:58 pm
Hi Matrix,

When the / our  Human Primate body dies...You say we comes back again to continue to experience the Earth and Human Primate programs again and again.

How soon after our bodies die , do we become reborn ?

When we are born again...I take it we appear to come back again as babies with new parents...

When our parents body Avatars die...How quickly are they reborn.. and if this is within a short time...is there any way we as their children, can tell who the new borns are...who appears to be their parents and where they may live ?

Likewise when our bodies die...and we appear to become reborn..and to have parents...in terms of becoming avatars again...Is there any way we chose who our Parents will be come the next life experience as a Human Primate ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 21, 2014, 06:24:44 pm
Hi Matrix,

When the / our  Human Primate body dies...You say we comes back again to continue to experience the Earth and Human Primate programs again and again.

How soon after our bodies die , do we become reborn ?

When we are born again...I take it we appear to come back again as babies with new parents...

When our parents body Avatars die...How quickly are they reborn.. and if this is within a short time...is there any way we as their children, can tell who the new borns are...who appears to be their parents and where they may live ?

Likewise when our bodies die...and we appear to become reborn..and to have parents...in terms of becoming avatars again...Is there any way we chose who our Parents will be come the next life experience as a Human Primate ?

Astr0
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When the / our  Human Primate body dies...You say we comes back again to continue to experience the Earth and Human Primate programs again and again.

This is ONLY ONE of many different Scenarios ...   :)

Astr0
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How soon after our bodies die , do we become reborn ?

ZERO !

The Reason being that Time is an Illusion of the Earth Program.

It is always NOW never tomorrow or yesterday.

It is always the 'Present'. (Having a dual meanings  :) )

The source where the 'Sequential' based programs are being generated from, doesn't involve 'Time',
as the Illusion of 'Time', is a Component of the 'Program' and NOT the Source.   :)

As the Program involves a 'Sequential' format (Consisting of 'Frames' in 'Stacks', with regard to the Dialogue)
it therefore contains the Illusion of 'Time'.


Astr0
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When we are born again...I take it we appear to come back again as babies with new parents...

Have you ever played a '1st Person' Computer Game ?

If so, then you would realise the 'Avatar' in the 'gaming software', is NOT the operators Entity,
but is only the character being played, adopted by an external entity from the game.

So regarding your Question we just select another 'Avatar' in a new 'Experience' (Game),
but your 'Real Self' i.e. The LIFE remains the same 'Operator Entity'.

But because the 'Avatar' is a bit like a Program Filter your experience may have like another Character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_(software)

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A filter is a computer program or subroutine to process a stream, producing another stream.
While a single filter can be used individually, they are frequently strung together to form a pipeline.

Some operating systems such as Unix are rich with filter programs. Windows 7 and later are also rich
with filters, as they include Windows PowerShell.

In comparison, however, few filters are built into cmd.exe (the original command-line interface of Windows),
most of which have significant enhancements relative to the similar filter commands that were available
in MS-DOS. OS X includes filters from its underlying Unix base but also has Automator, which allows filters
(known as "Actions") to be strung together to form a pipeline.

Astr0
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When our parents body Avatars die...How quickly are they reborn.. and if this is within a short time...is there any way we as their children, can tell who the new borns are...who appears to be their parents and where they may live ?

Yes there is, BUT it serves absolutely NO Purpose or advantage whatsoever, with regard
to the 'Purpose' or 'Function' of the Programs involving the Earth and WHY such programs exist.

Astr0
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Likewise when our bodies die...and we appear to become reborn..and to have parents...in terms of becoming avatars again...Is there any way we chose who our Parents will be come the next life experience as a Human Primate ?

YES. But NOT in the way of 'human reasoning' as your 'Real Self' operates
from an entirely different perspective. (Involving 'Knowledge' and 'Purpose')

If you try to use your human Filter to reason .... you won't be able to discover these things.

There is ONLY 'One Way', to find the answers you seek, and that is Through LIFE itself.

I am referring to the LIFE 'Entity', rather than the 'Avatar' Character.

The 'Avatar' of the Earth environment, involves 'Double Logic' introduced about 6,000 years ago.

If we go through our LIFE 'Entity' directly to LIFE, instead of through the 'Avatar',
we can find the Correct answers.

Going Direct bypasses the 'Program Filter' (The 'Avatar') involving 'Double Logic'.

We always have the Choice, of either using the 'Avatar Program Filter' or go 'Direct' through LIFE.   :)


The other way is using a 'Video Interface' using the 'Communication Program', accessing
the Main 'Libraries' of your 'Processing System' of the Mind/LIFE and brows the manuals.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 21, 2014, 07:27:24 pm
That's what I initially had thought maybe the case, but later I thought that you have said we come back again and again several times with regards having to experience the Human Primate and Earth & Universe environment programs..at least until we have experienced what is required from us..

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Astr0
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When the / our  Human Primate body dies...You say we comes back again to continue to experience the Earth and Human Primate programs again and again.

This is ONLY ONE of many different Scenarios ...   :)

It maybe a bit tricky to understand...

So, are you saying that as one Avatar finishes (or what we as Humans believe to be the death of some Human primate person)
that the next reborn or new Avatar already appears to have been born as soon as the previous avatar has passed away..

OR is that next avatar already born even before the dying avatar has passed...so there is NO Time in between the two..or between the 1st avatar dying and the new born arriving !


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Astr0
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How soon after our bodies die , do we become reborn ?

ZERO !

The Reason being that Time is an Illusion of the Earth Program.

It is always NOW never tomorrow or yesterday.

It is always the 'Present'. (Having a dual meanings  :) )

The source where the 'Sequential' based programs are being generated from, doesn't involve 'Time',
as the Illusion of 'Time', is a Component of the 'Program' and NOT the Source.   :)

As the Program involves a 'Sequential' format (Consisting of 'Frames' in 'Stacks', with regard to the Dialogue)
it therefore contains the Illusion of 'Time'.




So is that to say our Avatars are just chosen programs selected or adopted by our external LIFE entity !....

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Astr0
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When we are born again...I take it we appear to come back again as babies with new parents...

Have you ever played a '1st Person' Computer Game ?

If so, then you would realise the 'Avatar' in the 'gaming software', is NOT the operators Entity,
but is only the character being played, adopted by an external entity from the game.

So regarding your Question we just select another 'Avatar' in a new 'Experience' (Game),
but your 'Real Self' i.e. The LIFE remains the same 'Operator Entity'.

But because the 'Avatar' is a bit like a Program Filter your experience may have like another Character.


It may not server any valid purpose as such..but Id like to know out of curiosity who my past parent or relatives maybe now !

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Astr0
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When our parents body Avatars die...How quickly are they reborn.. and if this is within a short time...is there any way we as their children, can tell who the new borns are...who appears to be their parents and where they may live ?

Yes there is, BUT it serves absolutely NO Purpose or advantage whatsoever, with regard
to the 'Purpose' or 'Function' of the Programs involving the Earth and WHY such programs exist.



Interesting to know that it is possible and how it can be done !


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Astr0
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Likewise when our bodies die...and we appear to become reborn..and to have parents...in terms of becoming avatars again...Is there any way we chose who our Parents will be come the next life experience as a Human Primate ?

YES. But NOT in the way of 'human reasoning' as your 'Real Self' operates
from an entirely different perspective. (Involving 'Knowledge' and 'Purpose')

If you try to use your human Filter to reason .... you won't be able to discover these things.

There is ONLY 'One Way', to find the answers you seek, and that is Through LIFE itself.

I am referring to the LIFE 'Entity', rather than the 'Avatar' Character.

The 'Avatar' of the Earth environment, involves 'Double Logic' introduced about 6,000 years ago.

If we go through our LIFE 'Entity' directly to LIFE, instead of through the 'Avatar',
we can find the Correct answers.

Going Direct bypasses the 'Program Filter' (The 'Avatar') involving 'Double Logic'.

We always have the Choice, of either using the 'Avatar Program Filter' or go 'Direct' through LIFE.   :)


The other way is using a 'Video Interface' using the 'Communication Program', accessing
the Main 'Libraries' of your 'Processing System' of the Mind/LIFE and brows the manuals.   :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 21, 2014, 07:40:28 pm
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It may not server any valid purpose as such..but Id like to know out of curiosity who my past parent or relatives maybe now !

Do you mind me asking WHY ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on November 21, 2014, 08:00:50 pm
Well, I think most Human Primates as avatars seem to have a connection with what they believe their family members or what some may say as their "loved ones" to be..

and if one believes that they are to be reborn as such... in my case Id be curious to want to know who the new born maybe...

Chances are I assume is that they probably would not be reborn locally... on this earth program to me... so unless they were...its unlikely Id ever get to see them !

Hope this gives you some understanding on my thoughts about such a situation...
 
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 21, 2014, 09:02:46 pm
Astr0
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Well, I think most Human Primates as avatars seem to have a connection with what they believe their family members or what some may say as their "loved ones" to be..

Well what you say is NOT quite true as the 'Avatar' is the Experience and NOT 'Awareness' !

It's a bit like suggesting, a picture in an Art gallery wants to see another ....   :)

But if you look at your understanding, it really comes down to the Fact, that the Centre of the Mind
has NOT yet discovered the Difference between the Experience and the One Experiencing !

This is HOW most of us are in the beginning of this Program but in time we 'Awaken' to the Difference,
between the Experience (The 'Avatar') and the experiencer (LIFE) ...  :)

So the Priority is, for all of us is to 1st understand the Difference !

And NOT to get One 'picture' to want to see another ...  :)

Astr0
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and if one believes that they are to be reborn as such... in my case Id be curious to want to know who the new born maybe...

It's NOT the 'Avatar' (Picture) which is 'Reborn' .....  neither is it LIFE which is 'Reborn'.

LIFE Continues about its business without Interruption.  :)



What is more Important the 'Garment' or the 'Wearer' ?

So it is with LIFE and the 'Avatar'.

Astr0
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Chances are I assume is that they probably would not be reborn locally... on this earth program to me... so unless they were...its unlikely Id ever get to see them !

IF we put anything Before LIFE we are NOT worthy of LIFE.  That means ANYTHING !

Astr0
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Hope this gives you some understanding on my thoughts about such a situation...

It does.... Thank you.

I hope what I have said helps.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 22, 2014, 02:13:25 pm
Here is a thought ...

If we consider a square area we all would agree it appears to have form.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_02_001.jpg)



It is obvious it has an 'Absolute Centre'. (indicated by the converging lines of the X.)

And it is interesting to Note the 'Absolute Centre' has NO Size or Shape, other wise it can't be
the 'Absolute Centre'.

So in such a simple Concept we have the 'Opposites' in the form of an Outer and an Inner.

The Outer has form, while the 'Absolute Centre' has NO Form, yet strangely the 'Absolute Centre'
still exists as being One of the 'Ends', form exists between.
One may say the 'Absolute Centre' consists of 'Nothing'.

If the location in question is not in the 'Absolute Centre' then it exists between the 'Absolute Centre'
and its Outer.

If we now place a 'Circular area' within this 'Square', and align it in such a way, that both 'Absolute Centres'
are in a Common Location, then in this location nothing would exist?


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_02_002.jpg)



Or does something exist ?

Both the Circular and Square areas have 2 'Ends' existing in x and y axis.

One such 'End' is the 'Absolute Centre', while the other 'End' is its Outer.

We could also say One End (The Perimeter) surrounds or encircles the other End (the 'Absolute Centre').

The Outer 'End' contains Form, while the Absolute Centre 'End' has NO Form. (Size or Shape)

Now let's shift the Circular form to another location, still within the boundaries of the Square.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_02_003.jpg)



The 'Absolute Centre' (Consisting of Nothing) of the 'Square' is still in the same location.

And the Location of the 'Absolute Centre' of the 'Circular area' now in a different location, can also
be said to consist of 'nothing', that is going by/through human understanding.

So now within the 'Square', we have 2 Locations which are said to consist of 'Nothing'.

So now we have that 'Paradox' where each of the 2 'Locations' are both to contain 'Something' and 'Nothing'.

The Only way this can happen, is IF it involves the World of 'Concepts'.



Interesting that in Scientific Theory, it is theorised that everywhere is the centre of our Universe,
or there is NO 'Absolute Centre'.

The following short Video is about today's Concepts regarding this.

Suggesting that each of us, are the 'Centre' of observation and experience.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opY4i_g_pQ8[/youtube]



But Where it all falls to pieces, is that it is ASSUMED we are looking Outward to our Universe
but in fact we are doing quite the 'Opposite', and that is we are Looking Into our Universe instead.

So rather than the Universe being extremely Large .....  it is in fact tiny !

It's a question of mind in HOW we perceive what we are looking at.



But WHERE is this Universe, we are actually seeing and experiencing ?

We ASSUME it is outside the Mind and that our reality is we are all in a single huge Universe.

This is correct in, that this is the Concept of the 'Story' we are experiencing.

BUT it is NOT HOW the 'Experience' is being Generated, nor WHERE the Experience is really taking place.

Here is an Animation of us looking 360° about ourselves Horizontally.
I apologise for the poor Quality but you will get the Idea.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Panoramic_View_From_2D.gif)



The above Animation s in 2D But then what we see in the 'Visual Cortex' of the Brain is also on a Disc,
acting as your restricted Field of Vision, Generated from a 2D 'Source'

You can Only ever see in front of yourself. This is NOT just because your Eyes are looking in that Direction.

It can be proven quite easily, that your eyes do NOT form your f'Field of Vision' !

If you close your Eyes, and Continue to look, you will soon become aware that the same 'Disc'
'Field of Vision' is always present in front of you, whether your eyes are either closed or open, and it is only
the 'Contents' being displayed on/in this 'Disc' which changes, producing your experience.

Everything you believe to be experiencing, is taking place within the environment of a 'Pseudo Processor'
we call the brain.

When you Dream the 'Images' of that Dream, are taking place in the 'Visual Cortex' and on the same 'Disc'
which provides your restricted 'Field of Vision'. The Eyes do play a part in all this still (Involving REM)
which I will reveal more about later.


(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Drawing_01_031.jpg)



We ONLY 'Assume' we are seeing directly what is Outside the Environment of the Brain.

But there is No Way of proving such is the same, because it involves a very, very Sophisticated Processing System,
also involving that Pseudo Processor we call the brain.

The 'Image' we see by observing the Activity within he 'Visual Cortex' of the brain is very, very small,
whose size vary from one individual to another.


www.jneurosci.org/content/17/8/2859.full.pdf+html

http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ta505/JNeurosci_17_2859.pdf


But it is still NOT understood WHAT sees the 'Images' themselves.

Like a TV doesn't see the 'Images', but instead something else, other than the TV.

Just because Images appear on a TV Screen, doesn't imply the TV sees them ....


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m13Tk9_Ul-M[/youtube]




Below is a very short movie, but well worth watching and explains a little about the reconstruction of 'Images',
seen by a person watching a movie. This is an area involving my interests. (work/occupation)


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsH7RK1S2E&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]



As you can see by the Movie, the activity itself is NOT what is viewing the Images, but rather the Brain,
is acting as a 'Program Filter and something else is actually seeing the 'Images'.

It is ONLY LIFE i.e. your 'AWARENESS' of 'Consciousness' like state, which can see the 'Images,
the brain itself, by itself, is unable to see anything.


The other interesting thing is that the 'Images' reproduced, is only a very small part of the Information
be relayed to LIFE i.e. 'Awareness'.

The reason it becomes so Complex, is that it is still NOT understood the brain has 'functions'
involving 'Encoding', and WHERE that 'Encoded version' is relayed to....

The reason this is so Elusive, is because it involves an environment which is NON-DIMENSIONAL !


My line of work involves WHAT is viewing and experiencing the Program (Universe)
and the 'Processes' involved, rather than the experience itself.

By understanding these Processes enables us to approach the world in a different way and frees us
from having to rely upon ENERGY BASED SYSTEMS but rather use the 'Processing System'
which Produces/ Presents our 'Experience' (Universe etc.) enabling us to cross Galaxies in minutes,
that is IF we desire to.

I will be explaining this Technology in depth in the future.

The same Technologies involving the Processing System can be used in 'Teleport Systems', 'Transport Systems',
'Manufacture', 'Construction', 'Medical Technologies', 'Importation of objects', 'Communications', 'Pleasure',
Accessing 'Manuals' on anything which has ever existed and many other Practical uses.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 26, 2014, 09:44:47 pm
As I showed in my last post the image of a landscape being scrolled past ones 'Field of Vision'
producing the illusion of a panoramic vision of our environment.

All is taking place in the 'Visual Cortex' of our brain leading us to believe we are in a huge
dimensional universe.

Taking into account the 'Visual Cortex' also involves both a 'Decoding' and 'Encoding' System.

Marvellous what a few pictures do to us.    :)



Remember this is all taking place in the environment of that 'Pseudo Processor' we call the brain.


It is assumed by most, the 'Images' we see are the same of those supposedly outside the Environment
of our brain.

BUT are they ?

Or are we viewing something entirely different, that is being 'Decoded', presenting the 'Images'
we believe to see ?

In other words the brain, (an Image generated by Software of the Mind) is Decoding Written 'Program Text'
which is generating what we see and experience.

Perhaps a disturbing 'Thought' to some ?



On examining our 'Peripheral Vision' we soon discover it is NOT the 'Field of Vision' through the eyes,
which produces our 'Field of Vision' but rather this 'Field of Vision' is generated within
the 'Visual Cortex' of the brain, and Our External 'Processing System' instead.



Here is a simple 'Test' to demonstrate this.

Sit in a comfortable position, and keep your head still, do NOT turn or move your head.

Now look straight ahead, and without moving your eyes take careful account of WHAT is seen in your 'Vision'.

Without moving your head, turn your eyes to the Extreme Left, and take careful account of WHAT is seen
in your 'Vision' and compare the two.

a.   WHAT is seen in your 'Vision', with your eyes looking straight ahead,
compared with,
b.   WHAT is seen in your 'Vision', with your eyes looking to the Extreme Left.


What I want you to take careful note of, is the 'Images' seen in your  'Peripheral Vision', i.e. to note the change
in the Boundaries of your field of 'Vision'.


Now try this again, keeping your head Still, and do NOT shifting or turning your head,
look to the Extreme Left and pay careful attention to what is seen in your Peripheral Vision involving
the Boundaries of your 'Vision' and without moving your head or eyes, now look
to your Extreme Right, and again, paying careful attention of WHAT you see
in your 'Vision', especially the Boundaries of your 'Peripheral Vision'.

Now compare the two.

1.   WHAT you see in your 'Vision', with your eyes looking to the Extreme Left.
compared with,
2.   WHAT you see in your 'Vision', with your eyes looking to the Extreme Right.

OK ?


Now lets have a look at the Telemetry involving your 'Vision', your eyes and brain.


1st take note of the angel we can turn our eyes through from the extreme Left to the extreme Right.

http://www.eyecalcs.com/DWAN/pages/v8/v8c023.html

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The extraocular muscles are from 32 to 40 mm in length, (see table 1).

(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Table_1.jpg)
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In as much as each 1.0 mm on the surface of the eye corresponds to 4.5 to 5 degrees of rotation,
the normal amplitude of eye rotation of 45 to 50 degrees each way from the primary position requires
10 mm change of length of the muscle in each direction.

This represents a contraction of 25% to 30% and an extension of 25% to 30% from the normal resting
length of the muscle, nearly optimal excursions for linear performance.

Sacrifice of muscle length during eye muscle operations can reduce the amplitude of eye rotation.

Muscle length is not proportional to eye size, so that large myopic eyes rotate less and small
microphthalmic eyes rotate farther than normal.

So the 'Arc' (Eye Abduction + Adduction) involved, is typically about 100°

So theoretically IF the Eye is responsible for your 'Field of Vision', then we would expect
the 'Boundaries' of your 'Field of Vision' to move through about 100° or thereabouts, when comparing
the Extreme Left field of 'Vision' with that of the Extreme Right !

But as you will see IF you try this little test, that this simply doesn't happen.


There is in fact Only about 10° difference between the Left and Right ?


Now IF we turn our Head so the eyes Don't shift their position in your head, ( looking Straight ahead)
You 'Field of Vision' now Varies considerably, according to the degree of Rotation.


Conclusion:

The Eyes are NOT responsible for your 'Field of Vision', but rather your Mind is !


IF you close your Eyes and continue to take notice of WHAT you see in front of you,
You can still see what Produces your 'Field of Vision', even though your eyes are closed !
Even if they remain closed and you look for a long period of tame.


The Eyes act more as though, a 'Trackball' controlling a Camera/s in 3D 'Animation Software',
within the 'Software Environment' such as in Bryce, or other.

Trackball:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpKMlezNkog[/youtube]



In our case, we are viewing through very much like a software Camera's.


This is set up by your Independent 'Species Program', producing your 'Avatar'.

Others (Humans, Aliens, or other Species) in your sight, are included in your Environmental Program.

So this Animation below, demonstrates you are looking through a 'Software Camera/s' of your mind,
which is part of your 'Avatar' Program and HOW it produces the 'Illusion' of turning around
in an/your 'Environment'.



(http://thelivingmoon.com/Matrix/Hand_held_Interface_Animations/Panoramic_View_From_2D.gif)


While in reality, the Mind isn't turning at all, but those in our 'Environmental Program', do see us turning around.   :)

HOW this is achieved, involves the 'Processing System', which is involved in the 'LINK' between 2 Programs.

1.      Your 'Avatar' Program,
and
2.      their 'Environmental' Program.



Here are some Interesting comments at,  http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-we-see.htm

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Our Perception:

Our eyes see nothing.

Our eyes don't send images to our brains.

Images are constructed in our brains based on very simple signals sent from our eyes.

The nerve signals from our eyes are still the subject of much study, and mostly represent edges, shapes
and motion. They do not send images.

The mental processing required to perceive images is so great that it represents about 40% of the body's
at-rest caloric consumption.

This is why it's so resting to close our eyes for a moment. (I forget the citation for the 40% number,
let me know if you have it exactly.)

"Seeing" is a very complex higher-order brain function, and a huge percentage of our brains (the largest,
in fact, of any brain function) is required for doing nothing other than recognize what's in front of us.

From the same Article at,
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-we-see.htm

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Pattern Recognition:

Our brains form images based on pattern recognition. We don't see images; our eyes see line
and motion, our brains interpret that to attempt to recognize to what sort of thing those lines and motion
might  represent, and then our brains seamlessly cause us to perceive whatever that object might be.

Pattern recognition is learned as we grow from babies. At first nothing makes sense, and as we learn
about the world around us, more and more makes sense until as we grow into kids after which most
of us  forget what it was like when our visual systems were training.

Adults rarely have instances where we realize our brains can't recognize something, and drive home
how our eyes don't see anything themselves.

I remember when I was very young and my visual system was still developing. (I've been curious about
all this stuff since the day I was born.)

I'd see lines and shapes, and it would take a moment until recognition kicked in and I'd suddenly "get"
what was the object in front of me.

Pattern recognition is why motorcyclists and bicyclists get run over every day by people who were
looking right at them.

Most drivers are looking for cars.

If they're not looking for cyclists, people often won't perceive them, even if they are stopped right in front
of a red light.

The car driver runs right over them, and never saw them even though the car driver was looking
right at them.

If the car driver isn't paying attention, his brain doesn't perceive the lines and shapes from his eye's vision
of the motorcycle as being a motorcycle.

Notice how motorists will spot a police officer on a motorcycle a mile away.

It's not just because of the white helmet; it's because the visual system is working hardest to manage
all the inputs its receiving and  prioritizing how it recognizes things.

The brain can only recognize so much, so it's looking for what concerns it.

Sadly it tends to miss things other than cars and trucks.

George Carlin alluded to this, talking about what fun it is to look at a chain link fence when our two eyes
lock into the wrong links.

The stereo 3D effect created in our brains is messed up, backwards and inside out!

We stare at it, and something's kind of weird, kind of fun, while our left and right eyes are looking
a few links differently from each other.

Then our brains finally get it, and as I recall Carlin saying, the "fun suddenly  goes away" as the image
reverts to what it is supposed to be.

Our eyes can't see a fixed, non-moving image.

Our eyes are always scanning and moving.

If you can lock your eye in one spot, (this research usually requires rather painful apparatus to fix
an eyeball) the image  fades away.

Even when we think we're staring, our visual systems are constantly moving our eyes slightly
to keep the signals coming and the image refreshed.


I will explain HOW 'Interactions' take place between your 'Avatar' and 'Environmental Program'.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Toltec on November 27, 2014, 02:41:17 am
Very good entry, I have clarified many things about vision, thank you very much …    :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 27, 2014, 02:07:45 pm
So theoretically IF the Eye is responsible for your 'Field of Vision', then we would expect
the 'Boundaries' of your 'Field of Vision' to move through about 100° or thereabouts, when comparing
the Extreme Left field of 'Vision' with that of the Extreme Right !

But as you will see IF you try this little test, that this simply doesn't happen.
It does happen, I just tried it. :)

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There is in fact Only about 10° difference between the Left and Right ?
No, it was close to 45º for each side.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 27, 2014, 02:38:38 pm
It does happen, I just tried it. :)
No, it was close to 45º for each side.

Then you haven't followed what I wrote, or perhaps NOT understood ?  :)


How good is your Control over your eyes?

Can you blink Rapidly, without shifting the position of your eyes ?

This is a little test to see how good your control is.    :)

Added text ...

Just a thought ...

You may be suffering from 'Tunnel Vision' ?

It might pay to have your eyes checked out ?

It could account for what you wrote ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 27, 2014, 02:56:45 pm
Then you haven't followed what I wrote, or perhaps NOT understood ?  :)
I measured (approximately) my field of view to the right and to the left while looking ahead, then I rolled my eyes all to the left and measured my field of view and did the same thing to the right. When moving the eyes to the left (or right) I can see some 45º more to the left (or right) than when looking straight ahead.

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How good is your Control over your eyes?
I think it's pretty good. :)

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Can you blink Rapidly, without shifting the position of your eyes ?
Yes (I had to make a video to see if I could or not), I can. :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 27, 2014, 02:59:09 pm
Just a thought ...

You may be suffering from 'Tunnel Vision' ?
"Tunnel vision"? I think you are the one that didn't understood what I wanted to say, as my field of view is more or less 180º, but when I move the eyes to one side I can see 45º more to that side (and less for the opposite side).
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 27, 2014, 05:01:45 pm
"Tunnel vision"? I think you are the one that didn't understood what I wanted to say, as my field of view is more or less 180º, but when I move the eyes to one side I can see 45º more to that side (and less for the opposite side).

I wasn't being Facetious.... quite the opposite in fact.

How did you measure this 45º ?

Many people have the condition of 'Tunnel Vision' and don't even know they have it.
(A Very common condition)

What you describe is common of this complaint.

I wasn't being Facetious.... quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 27, 2014, 05:18:36 pm
I wasn't being Facetious.... quite the opposite in fact.
I didn't think that, I just thought that you misunderstood what I wrote.

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How did you measure this 45º ?
By looking at the angle between what I could see to the side while looking straight ahead and what I could see when turning my eyes fully to that side. I could see some 45º more to the left (or right) of what I could see when looking straight ahead.

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Many people have the condition of 'Tunnel Vision' and don't even know they have it.
(A Very common condition)

What you describe is common of this complaint.
What, a 180º field of view?  ::)

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I wasn't being Facetious.... quite the opposite in fact.
There's no need to repeat it, I read it the first time.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 27, 2014, 07:18:14 pm
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Many people have the condition of 'Tunnel Vision' and don't even know they have it.
(A Very common condition)

What you describe is common of this complaint.


What, a 180º field of view?  ::)

Tunnel Vision is a little different than you may expect.

You may very well have 180º but this alone does not suggest you don't have 'Tunnel Vision'.

It's not that simple but rather more complex than you may imagine.   :)

We have Depth in both the x & y axis as well as the z axis. But to understand this you need
to understand HOW all (Avatar & Environment) is being presented in the 1st place.

Perhaps in your understanding... this depth in the x & y axis refers to how far one can see, in the x & y 'Plane'.

It's like looking across a sheet of paper edge on, where eyes are in line with that plane, and trying to define
the size of the paper in the x axis. (Looking across the 'Plane' while held at eye level)

There is a slight difference (Between about 5º and 10º depending on the person) when looking Left to Right
as I explained but the Field of vision certainly does NOT change by 100º, which you eyes can turn through.   :)


So IF you claim it to be 45º, it falls way short of the 100º the eyes can turn through.

See the Quotes I had from,  http://www.eyecalcs.com/DWAN/pages/v8/v8c023.html

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In as much as each 1.0 mm on the surface of the eye corresponds to 4.5 to 5 degrees of rotation,
the normal amplitude of eye rotation of 45 to 50 degrees each way from the primary position requires
10 mm change of length of the muscle in each direction.

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the normal amplitude of eye rotation of 45 to 50 degrees each way

if 45º to 50º refers to one way, then the total is 90º to 100º in total !

So you are missing 45º somewhere...  IF you are correct in you evaluations.   :)

Do you now understand correctly what I am saying ?

IF you still don't understand what I am explaining, I will post a Diagram showing this.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 28, 2014, 02:26:17 am
Tunnel Vision is a little different than you may expect.
Then why don't you post a definition?

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You may very well have 180º but this alone does not suggest you don't have 'Tunnel Vision'.
It does, as tunnel vision is supposed to be like the animation you posted, seeing through a hole, not an 180º field of view.

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We have Depth in both the x & y axis as well as the z axis. But to understand this you need to understand HOW all (Avatar & Environment) is being presented in the 1st place.
Isn't tunnel vision a reduction in the area seen by the person? What's the relation to "depth" in that?

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Perhaps in your understanding... this depth in the x & y axis refers to how far one can see, in the x & y 'Plane'.
It would help if you defined what you're calling "x" and "y" instead of just throwing them into the discussion as if everybody is using the same definition, that's how misunderstandings appear.

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It's like looking across a sheet of paper edge on, where eyes are in line with that plane, and trying to define the size of the paper in the x axis. (Looking across the 'Plane' while held at eye level)
What's that got to do with tunnel vision?

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There is a slight difference (Between about 5º and 10º depending on the person) when looking Left to Right as I explained but the Field of vision certainly does NOT change by 100º, which you eyes can turn through.   :)
Have you ever thought about the possibility of being wrong?

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So IF you claim it to be 45º, it falls way short of the 100º the eyes can turn through.
Read what I wrote, 45º to each side, 90º doesn't fall that short of 100º, and those 45º for each side are added to the 180º I see when I look straight ahead.

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See the Quotes I had from,  http://www.eyecalcs.com/DWAN/pages/v8/v8c023.html
I did, what I saw during the test was exactly what they say, only limited to some 45º (not an accurate measurement) instead of a maximum of 50º, but still in the "45 to 50 degrees each way from the primary position" limits on that quote.

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if 45º to 50º refers to one way, then the total is 90º to 100º in total !
Yes, added to the 180º when looking straight ahead.

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So you are missing 45º somewhere...  IF you are correct in you evaluations.   :)
Missing? How?

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Do you now understand correctly what I am saying ?
It would be easier if you explained things like the above sentence.  ::)

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IF you still don't understand what I am explaining, I will post a Diagram showing this.
What if you still don't understand what I'm saying? ;)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 28, 2014, 03:53:42 am
Hi ArMap

Think on it a bit more  ....   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Sinny on November 28, 2014, 04:12:28 am

Have you ever thought about the possibility of being wrong?


I'm also curious to know whether Matrix has any doubts about his knowledge of any subject.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 28, 2014, 04:47:24 am
I'm also curious to know whether Matrix has any doubts about his knowledge of any subject.

What would you like me to say SIN ?

Obviously my time is of no value here .... Time to move on I guess .....

Then you won't have to read my posts any more will you ?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Sinny on November 28, 2014, 05:49:23 am
What would you like me to say SIN ?

Obviously my time is of no value here .... Time to move on I guess .....

Then you won't have to read my posts any more will you ?

I'd like answers from you in a language that the rest of us speak..

And I'd like answers to my enquiry's, which have always been reasonable.

You never seem to doubt or question anything, therefore I am asking you if you think you know everything? Or are there things that you know you don't know?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Glaucon on November 28, 2014, 04:12:51 pm

Obviously my time is of no value here .... Time to move on I guess .....


No, carry on!
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on November 28, 2014, 04:29:03 pm
Hi ArMap

Think on it a bit more  ....   :)
I did, and I either don't understand your point of view or understand it and you are the one not understanding what I say. :)

This is a representation of my horizontal field of view, seen from above. The light blue area is what I see when I am looking straight ahead, the yellow area is the area I see when I move my eyes (without moving my head) completely to the right and to the left.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/FOV.png)

PS: those angles are the result of my test, using a lighter and moving the arm back until I stop seeing the flame.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Glaucon on November 28, 2014, 06:15:13 pm
Ever noticed the door behind the Senates intelligence's committee chairman?  8)
(http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/11/459307992-1440x960.jpg)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 23, 2015, 02:24:13 am
ArMap ...

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I did, and I either don't understand your point of view or understand it and you are the one not understanding what I say. :)

So you are a mind reader now.....   :)

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This is a representation of my horizontal field of view, seen from above. The light blue area is what I see when I am looking straight ahead, the yellow area is the area I see when I move my eyes (without moving my head) completely to the right and to the left.

This proves YOU don't understand at all...  :(

We are NOT referring to your Collective Vision !

And what you show is Optically Impossible without moving your eyes anyway....

Just look at the human Eye make up !
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 23, 2015, 02:26:35 am
Ever noticed the door behind the Senates intelligence's committee chairman?  8)
(http://ww2.kqed.org/news/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2014/11/459307992-1440x960.jpg)

BINGO ! your onto it.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on March 23, 2015, 03:39:40 am
Hi Matrix,

Again nice to see you back..

Still only seems a few days ago in my Mind  :D

with also ref to the Anyone seen , heard from Matrix thread..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7943.msg111327;topicseen#new


Maybe one of the main things that have been going through my mind since your break off period...is this question that has been on or  in my mind.. :)


With all the main description that you have explained about your explanations about "Life"the Soul or processing systems..and programs etc that we experience..

You refer to it always has been and always will be,that there was never a start or will be an end to what you describe as our "LIFE"...
( Awareness / Consciousness)

That there was never a big bang.. and that your description of nothing being something...that when you explain it does seem to have a logical explanation...

BUT what ever "LIFE"  or our "Soul" is...or the "Programs" and "Processing Systems" is...

It still seems such an INCREDIBLE CREATION..!

I still think that even if what you suggest is correct...WHY and HOW has it turned out this particular way !

So even if it was not created by what many of us Primates think of as by GOD...or Evolution.

I still have to question HOW has this evolved the way it has...in the way you describe...

It still has some substance, form or system to it..
that still seems the result of some creation..

By what or How things have resulted as they are or appear... that I still cannot comprehend..

So what I am saying is even if what you describe is totally different from what the Human Primate has been led to initially believe as time has evolved about our LIFEs , Environment (Earth/ Universe)and Body..be them real or illusions/ Holographic projections as programs.....


They still have the Geometrical Form.. that you describe.. BUT WHY that particular Form...

out of what potentially could be NUMEROUS possibilities...and alternatives..

Somehow a particular system or structure has formed...

My question is WHY or HOW has this particular form evolved ?..and I still think that one may still think something has created this !

That's another thing that I have a problem in my understanding..


Its been some times since I have come back to this topic and my memory may have faded on somethings, so please forgive me if you see this as a stupid question...or one that you may have answered and that I have not grasped or recalled or understood.. ???  :-\


Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 23, 2015, 05:06:28 am
Astr0:
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Maybe one of the main things that have been going through my mind since your break off period...is this question that has been on or  in my mind.. :)

With all the main description that you have explained about your explanations about "Life"the Soul or processing systems..and programs etc that we experience..

You refer to it always has been and always will be,that there was never a start or will be an end to what you describe as our "LIFE"...
( Awareness / Consciousness)

That there was never a big bang.. and that your description of nothing being something...that when you explain it does seem to have a logical explanation...

One has to remember;

a.      that Nothing is Something which I of course Nothing LOL.
If Nothing wasn't something the the word Nothing would Not exist in our Language.

b.      Neither Nothing or something can NT exist on its own but can ONLY exist as a Pair of inseparable Opposites  !

Because 'Nothing' is Something.

Thus it exists as a Paradox being an Astable Phenomena which is Non-Dimensional but can be expressed in Geometric terms i.e. a Linear presentation.

NOTE the Linear Presentation, is produced by 'Instructions' using a Geometric based Language i.e. as an I. ( To &Fro the 1st oscillation)

Astr0:
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BUT what ever "LIFE"  or our "Soul" is...or the "Programs" and "Processing Systems" is...

It still seems such an INCREDIBLE CREATION..!

I still think that even if what you suggest is correct...WHY and HOW has it turned out this particular way !

As I said the experience plays a vital component in the Evolution of the Processing System Construct.
It enables Choice involving an Upgrade.

Astr0:
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So even if it was not created by what many of us Primates think of as by GOD...or Evolution.

The original Word 'GOD' never meant hat it does today.

Today's definition is a bastardisation of The WORD ! G O D (In the Zion Language)

Astr0:
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I still have to question HOW has this evolved the way it has...in the way you describe...

It is what it is and no human Primate can change the fact just as I can NOT change this Fact !

Astr0:
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It still has some substance, form or system to it..
that still seems the result of some creation..

What has been Created involves the WORD INZ ….

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/INZ.jpg)

It is the 'Geometric Paradox Algorithm', all is Created through. I can't change this Fact !

Astr0:
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By what or How things have resulted as they are or appear... that I still cannot comprehend.

IF you had some knowledge involving 1st Shooter Gaming Software, then perhaps you would understand what I have written about ?

Astr0:
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So what I am saying is even if what you describe is totally different from what the Human Primate has been led to initially believe as time has evolved about our LIFEs , Environment (Earth/ Universe)and Body..be them real or illusions/ Holographic projections as programs.....

The Holograph exists within your 'Processing System' and NOT 'Outside', in front of you as you believe !

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They still have the Geometrical Form.. that you describe.. BUT WHY that particular Form...

Simple Single Logic.

Unlike the 'Double Logic', you experience through the human Genome.

Astr0:
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out of what potentially could be NUMEROUS possibilities...and alternatives..

Start with Nothing then the 1st expression involving Form or Geometric Form then try and produce what you experience today ?

Astr0:
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Somehow a particular system or structure has formed...

It has formed as the Result of Program Instructions taking place in a non-Dimensional Environment referred to by some as 'The Place of LIFE', ('Conscious like Awareness'), NOT the Place of the Universe, Earth or some other Experience.

Astr0:
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My question is WHY or HOW has this particular form evolved ?..and I still think that one may still think something has created this !

Something did which is called simply LIFE, not anything else such as any species or other.
And you are part of that Something called Nothing.

There is NO other way. NOT because I say so but because I or anyone else can NOT change this Fact !

I can NOT show you proof because it is Impossible for you enter my Kingdom.

But in saying this the Truth is in You !

MAN know thy SELF !
If you will NOT know yourselves you are in Poverty and that Poverty is Yourself !

Astr0:
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That's another thing that I have a problem in my understanding..

Its been some times since I have come back to this topic and my memory may have faded on somethings, so please forgive me if you see this as a stupid question...or one that you may have answered and that I have not grasped or recalled or understood.. ???  :-\

I have no problems with understanding …..

But then I KNOW WHERE I am from and WHERE I am going …
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on March 23, 2015, 01:39:28 pm
So you are a mind reader now.....   :)
No, if I was I wouldn't have the need to ask to post some definitions and things would be much easier.
Also, I wouldn't have the need to post two options, like I did.

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This proves YOU don't understand at all...  :(
That's one of the possibilities I posted. :)
Could you explain how am I wrong? Thanks in advance. :)

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We are NOT referring to your Collective Vision !
It would help if I knew what you mean by "collective vision", but as I'm not a mind reader I don't know. Can you post the definition?

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And what you show is Optically Impossible without moving your eyes anyway....

Just look at the human Eye make up !
It's not impossible, if it was I wouldn't be able to do it.  :P

Did you did the test yourself?

Did anyone else did the test?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 23, 2015, 08:24:55 pm
MT
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This proves YOU don't understand at all...  :(

ArMap
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That's one of the possibilities I posted. :)
Could you explain how am I wrong? Thanks in advance. :)
MT
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We are NOT referring to your Collective Vision !

ArMap
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It would help if I knew what you mean by "collective vision", but as I'm not a mind reader I don't know. Can you post the definition?

Collective:

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1:  denoting a number of persons or things considered as one group or whole

Referring to a Group of Components involving,

1.   Your Eyes (2 used together)
2.
   The Brain
3.   Your Genome Signature.
4.   The Interface involving the Brain and your LIFE Entity i.e. 'Conscious like Awareness', experiencing    your body and Environment.
5.   The 'Pseudo Processor', referred to as the Brain (Also involving an Encoding and Decoding System,
   Neuroscience has yet to discover and study.
6.   Your Individual Processing System
7.   The Mind

Just some of the Components, making up the 'Group of Components'.


MT
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And what you show is Optically Impossible without moving your eyes anyway....

Just look at the human Eye make up !



(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/The_human_Eye_01.png)




Note the Lens is set back from the Iris

Yes your field of Vision might appear to be as wide as you claim, but this field of Vision is NOT the result of just the Eye alone.

This is what I am referring to; The field of Vision is NOT Generated through the Eyes, but instead your eyes plot a focal area within the 'Field of Vision' produced by your Individual Processing System

Another Fact to consider:

We can map the Image seen in the Visual Cortex of the human Brain but Scientists are still unable to understand that a huge amount of Detail is Missing in the Visual Cortex in fact a very small part of our Vision is noted in the Visual Cortex of the Brain !

http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/ (http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/)


ArMap
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It's not impossible, if it was I wouldn't be able to do it.  :P

What is interpreted as in the Results.... is NOT produced solely by the Eyes.

So you need to consider ALL the factors involved, and Neurologists only know a very small part of the total system and it will take millions of years, before they even start to understand.

They don't even know or understand 'The Processing System of the Mind'.


However they think they know a little about the Brain, ( A  'Pseudo Processor') but sill very, very little about the 'Processing System' which produces ALL.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on March 24, 2015, 12:30:21 am
Hi Matrix,

Thanks for your attempts to try and explain my questions..

Although I will not claim to fully understand..That does help give some explanations and aid my further attempts to understand more and to hopefully be able to continue following your posts..

In the INZ... Image...

I can easily see a "I" and a "N" and I think the "Z"is in Red..in a different style font..  "Z"

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 24, 2015, 03:34:26 am
Astr0:
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Although I will not claim to fully understand..That does help give some explanations and aid my further attempts to understand more and to hopefully be able to continue following your posts..

In the INZ... Image...

I can easily see a "I" and a "N" and I think the "Z"is in Red..in a different style font..  "Z"

The I, represents the 1st Concept i.e. the Oscillation, while the Rotation
of the N to become the Z is the 2nd Concept.

Child's play really, to comprehend.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on March 24, 2015, 04:01:35 am
Referring to a Group of Components involving,

1.   Your Eyes (2 used together)
2.
   The Brain
3.   Your Genome Signature.
4.   The Interface involving the Brain and your LIFE Entity i.e. 'Conscious like Awareness', experiencing    your body and Environment.
5.   The 'Pseudo Processor', referred to as the Brain (Also involving an Encoding and Decoding System,
   Neuroscience has yet to discover and study.
6.   Your Individual Processing System
7.   The Mind

Just some of the Components, making up the 'Group of Components'.
I understand it now, thanks. :)

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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/The_human_Eye_01.png)

Note the Lens is set back from the Iris
I don't think a general diagram of the eye is a good indication of what it can do. One thing missing from that diagram is the fact that the pupil  changes size, for example.

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Yes your field of Vision might appear to be as wide as you claim, but this field of Vision is NOT the result of just the Eye alone.
OK, that means that either I didn't made the test as you said or your test doesn't show what's supposed to show, as I tried to follow your instructions to make the test.

PS: you didn't answer my question, did you try your own test?
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on March 24, 2015, 05:37:47 am
Matrix,

It is now you explained it..

But even by turning the "N" by 90 degrees ..
May not have clarified it to me as it was a different
color and Font style to the "Z"   :)

But its good to now understand what you meant by it..of which I recall your Image animations of it.





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The I, represents the 1st Concept i.e. the Oscillation, while the Rotation
of the N to become the Z is the 2nd Concept.

Child's play really, to comprehend.   :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 24, 2015, 02:29:33 pm
ArMap
I don't think a general diagram of the eye is a good indication of what it can do. One thing missing from that diagram is the fact that the pupil  changes size, for example.[/quote]
You may be right but it helps with an abstract view involving understanding.

MT
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Yes your field of Vision might appear to be as wide as you claim, but this field of Vision is NOT the result of just the Eye alone.

ArMap
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OK, that means that either I didn't made the test as you said or your test doesn't show what's supposed to show, as I tried to follow your instructions to make the test.

(Don't take it that I am being patronising or even facetious using the word Prejudices as all of us have our own including myself.)   :)

That's because of you natural Prejudices !

It prevents you from checking out my directions correctly.

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PS: you didn't answer my question, did you try your own test?

I did.... But it might be boring for others....  for me to keep repeating myself.

But YES.... I have many times re. Quote;
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did you try your own test?
while relating to the phenomena to others in person.

The Directions I gave regarding our/your Field of Vision, was what made you comment in the 1st Place.

But your  Prejudices cause you to believe, you are in a huge universe and NOT  observing from a non-Dimensional world.

You know that old phrase, 'Man Know Thy SELF'.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on March 24, 2015, 03:13:56 pm
(Don't take it that I am being patronising or even facetious using the word Prejudices as all of us have our own including myself.)   :)

That's because of you natural Prejudices !

It prevents you from checking out my directions correctly.
OK, can you tell me what I interpreted wrongly in this?
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Sit in a comfortable position, and keep your head still, do NOT turn or move your head.

Now look straight ahead, and without moving your eyes take careful account of WHAT is seen in your 'Vision'.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 24, 2015, 06:54:09 pm

ArMap:
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OK, can you tell me what I interpreted wrongly in this?

MT
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Sit in a comfortable position, and keep your head still, do NOT turn or move your head.

Now look straight ahead, and without moving your eyes take careful account of WHAT is seen in your 'Vision'.

You haven't !   :)

The answer is in your reply earlier:

MT by ArMap:
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Referring to a Group of Components involving,

1.   Your Eyes (2 used together)
2.   The Brain
3.   Your Genome Signature.
4.   The Interface involving the Brain and your LIFE Entity i.e. 'Conscious like Awareness', experiencing    your body and Environment.
5.   The 'Pseudo Processor', referred to as the Brain (Also involving an Encoding and Decoding System,
   Neuroscience has yet to discover and study.
6.   Your Individual Processing System
7.   The Mind

Just some of the Components, making up the 'Group of Components'.


I understand it now, thanks. :)

So why are you still asking?

Going by your answer, Quote;

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I understand it now, thanks. :)

You make it sound like you want it both was now...  :o
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: ArMaP on March 25, 2015, 03:04:42 am
The answer is in your reply earlier:
That reply was about that specific question, what did you meant by "collective vision", not about the difference between what you say I should see and what I see.

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You make it sound like you want it both was now...  :o
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "want it both was now". ???

Edited to add that I think that was a "y" missing from the above sentence, if that's the case then I now understand its meaning. :)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 25, 2015, 04:32:23 am
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You make it sound like you want it both was now...  :o


Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by "want it both was now". ???

Edited to add that I think that was a "y" missing from the above sentence, if that's the case then I now understand its meaning. :) 


A Typo on my Part.... I'm NOT getting Old .... I'm now Ancient ....  :)

You are correct it should have been written as .....

You make it sound like you want it both ways now...  :o

Rigor mortis is setting in prematurely I guess.....  :(
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on March 28, 2015, 01:35:44 pm
If those interested if you look at Page 31 on my web site, at    http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com
I have shown some Animations, explain WHY I refer to our Processing System as a 'Conceptual Processing System'.

(The sight is still under construction but it can still be accessed, while in the building stage.)

The Animations show a layer being Rotated about its Vertical axis and disappearing,
as the thickness of the 'Face' is ZERO.

Then it is stretched out again, by a 2nd Rotation about its Vertical axis into another Register.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on March 28, 2015, 04:32:45 pm
Hi Matrix,

[ Update from my message below....I have found that I could change my screen size and select the "Pages options menu" and select a specific page by scrolling down with my Up and Down arrow buttons at the same time...BUT I could not scroll down by placing my mouse on the side scroll bar at the same time as I was selecting the Page Tab also with my mouse...IF that makes sense.. ]

BUT my Screen then has to be realtered back to a larger scale to read the contents on the webpage..

Maybe its Just an issue on my computer which I do know is not ideal as I have had some issues with certain things to do with screen settings.

           -------------------------

Initially I had a problem being able to select page 31..as when you click on pages in the above options on your website..the drop down menu listed vertically all your pages, but on my present settings on my screen size on my PC.. option for page 31 went well below the bottom of my screen and I was not able to scroll down at the same time as highlighting the vertical page list..

but I did work out how to obtain it and I am posting a direct link to that page 31 below..if that's OK..

Maybe other members can see it ok to select from the vertical page list , depending on how their screen size is set..

http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/page-31.html
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 03, 2018, 12:50:33 pm
"This world (Experience) is here for a reason! Which is NOT for reasons most may imagine."

For the update of each Ones Processing Systems, though i am feeling a little neglected in this Life, possibly forgotten by Life, if The Matrix Traveller was still posting, it would be possible to ask him if one is undergoing the update to Ones Soul.

Roughly speaking because i am not  a expert like The Matrix  Traveller on this subject, but, Life is made difficult so this Update goes in to your Awareness in the Place of Life where your Soul or The Soul resides.

So, we  live these  Lives of strife while this takes place, i just have doubts/fear that the process might not be working out so well up there, i don't want  to be forgotten or lost by Life.


_______________________________


The Experiences of those who have committed suicide, and returned to this experience, usually reveal
a very unpleasant experience.

My thoughts on the subject of Suicide is that perhaps the real issue, is that most if not all are trying to 'dodge'
this experience for whatever reasons.

This world (Experience) is here for a reason! Which is NOT for reasons most may imagine.

It is therefore of the utmost importance we complete the experience (Earth Program) and NOT try or Attempt
to dodge it .

There is a Environment we need to know about and understand. There is an 'Environment' involving Souls
as they were referred to in Ancient Writings, ((The knowledge now Lost due to the changing Definition
of the Word Soul, through History brought about by both 'Politics', 'religion' (an Institution of Politics)
and the 'Scribes'. (Those setting the Standards involving written language as well as translating))
which is the Outer World we view from.

It is this Environment we return to on the completion of experiencing this world.
The Outer Abode also involves a world based on the principals of Dimension or form which may
be interpreted as what some think is the Spiritual world in today's understanding by those in the Earth program.

It is the World we return to (In the same place as all this is taking place in a Non-Dimensional 'Environment'
producing the Illusion of 'Dimension' through 'Dialogue', involving a Processing Language.

In that world 'Video Interfaces' are used, to experience such worlds as the Earth.


In this Environment; Can we Quote;
The short answer is YES.

Now beyond this abode exists the Soul, which is a 'Partition' of a huge 'Network' of a similar Construction
as the Soul, sometimes referred to as 'The 1st Born Soul', (Our Souls are in this Construct) and to answer
your question Quote]
Again the Short answer is YES.

But a Soul does NOT Inhabit 'The Place of LIFE' as many might think of or want to believe.

But I suppose you could say the soul does depending on ones interpretation of the word 'Inhabit'.

Let me explain it in this way; Rather than the Soul inhabiting 'The Place of LIFE' it is around
the other way, where rather the case is, LIFE inhabits the Soul.

The Soul is really a Partition MAP used in Processing Which a LIFE uses. (LIFE being interpreted as
a State of 'Awareness' and 'Self Awareness. (or being Awake NOT asleep)

For example in one ancient writing 'The Dialogue of The Savior',  Quote;
To be dead is to be Unaware i.e. Asleep ....  and to be Alive is to be 'Aware'.

I am referring to The LIFE and NOT to the flesh/body or 'Avatar'.

Avatar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_person_(video_games)


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Stalkershot_2.jpg)



So Death is Unawareness ....   LIFE is 'AWARENESS' and 'SELF AWARENESS' itself.

Once again as in the following text refers to the flesh/body or 'Avatar' (the individual Species or body Program)
as being dead but something else being alive ! In another ancient writing,  Quote;
The quotes I have give are NOT intended for religious interpretation but rather to show throughout history
many have been inspired by these thoughts.

Another from the same writing, also referring to both the Flesh/body or 'Avatar' and the Soul, Quote;

But rather we should be dependant on LIFE because LIFE is the 'Real Self' and Eternal,
Not like the 'Avatar'

IF and WHEN we are honest with ourselves such thoughts may arise about these Questions
especially when our experience of Earth draws nearer.

One 'Partition' of LIFE can communicate with another through the Soul, in the form of Geometric Language,
once known as the ZION (NOT Hebrew) language on Earth.

The experience of the human Avatar and Earth are very Important, performing a 'Function' Critical
to the upgrading of the 'Processing System' (Soul).

There is an old saying ....
You can NOT LOVE the 'TREE' and Hate the 'FRUIT', neither can you LOVE the 'FRUIT' and Hate the 'TREE'.

So many do exactly this.

But I say.... LOVE both the' TREE' and Its 'FRUIT' !

If we don't .....  then it is Hypocrisy !

Your questions are at the very 'Root' in understanding this World (Earth Experience).   :)

Many others as well, should be asking Questions regarding the Earth and Universe.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on August 03, 2018, 01:29:33 pm
Hi Souljourney.. and Welcome to P.R.C forum,

I am curious how you come to know about Matrix....

Such as was you aware of him before you joined ? or maybe you were able to read some of his posts if you had been a prior visitor..

As far as I am aware its been sometime since Matrix Traveller posted on the Forum...
 I am not  sure when he last posted but his last visit was just over 1 year ago in July 2017...(July 04, 2017, 04:49:05 PM)

Which to be honest with you I thought that it may had been over 2 years ago...

but I think his last post  was  15th April 2015...

I was actually doing a search for him a few weeks ago elsewhere online as he was running a blog after he seem to stop posting... but it  has not active if I recall since over 4 yrs ago..

so knowing he has been back on this forum just over a year ago... is sort of interesting to know..

I thought that he may have had another blog somewhere ... that he was writing maybe 2 to 3 years ago... But I cannot seem to find it when doing a search on bing...

I dont use google.. so maybe you can try searching on it...





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"This world (Experience) is here for a reason! Which is NOT for reasons most may imagine."

For the update of each Ones Processing Systems, though i am feeling a little neglected in this Life, possibly forgotten by Life, if The Matrix Traveller was still posting, it would be possible to ask him if one is undergoing the update to Ones Soul.

Roughly speaking because i am not  a expert like The Matrix  Traveller on this subject, but, Life is made difficult so this Update goes in to your Awareness in the Place of Life where your Soul or The Soul resides.

So, we  live these  Lives of strife while this takes place, i just have doubts/fear that the process might not be working out so well up there, i don't want  to be forgotten or lost by Life.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 03, 2018, 02:10:56 pm
Hi Astr0144,

Originally through ATS posts and then through this forum, i also read his Blog and his Website which is not active now http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/ (http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/)

this is his other website though it has been  left unfinished at 6 pages, it has a contact form on it also: https://mind-video-interfaces.weebly.com/ (https://mind-video-interfaces.weebly.com/)

and a short blog on g+ https://plus.google.com/109147019951353772673 (https://plus.google.com/109147019951353772673)

But like yourself i have wondered why he is not posting anymore.

"last visit was just over 1 year ago in July 2017" yes i noticed that as well, as i had thought  it had  been more years then  that, though over 1 year is quite a while.

i remember him talking  about earthquakes and volcanoes which would bring about a planet change through sea water going into the  molten crust in the ocean, so i am wondering if we are seeing a start of this with  the hawaii volcano.

Hi Souljourney.. and Welcome to P.R.C forum,

I am curious how you come to know about Matrix....

Such as was you aware of him before you joined ? or maybe you were able to read some of his posts if you had been a prior visitor..

As far as I am aware its been sometime since Matrix Traveller posted on the Forum...
 I am not  sure when he last posted but his last visit was just over 1 year ago in July 2017...(July 04, 2017, 04:49:05 PM)

Which to be honest with you I thought that it may had been over 2 years ago...

but I think his last post  was  15th April 2015...

I was actually doing a search for him a few weeks ago elsewhere online as he was running a blog after he seem to stop posting... but it  has not active if I recall since over 4 yrs ago..

so knowing he has been back on this forum just over a year ago... is sort of interesting to know..

I thought that he may have had another blog somewhere ... that he was writing maybe 2 to 3 years ago... But I cannot seem to find it when doing a search on bing...

I dont use google.. so maybe you can try searching on it...
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on August 03, 2018, 02:29:06 pm
Thanks for posting those Links of Matrix's...

I am sorry to see that he is not still posting on those other blogs...

Its a bit of a detailed story behind the history of Matrix and PRC...

For 3 years he posted a lot of material.. and some members inc myself did attempt to follow some of his content... which I believe seemed  quite complex...BUT I found some of it Interesting  and Tried to follow and understand certain things that he taught ...

At one stage he was was trying to explain some complex thing to do with UFOs and How they worked... and one member queried something... and it led to a bit of a misunderstanding... and Matrix threatened to leave the forum..

At the time I was very interested in what he was posting.. but the member who queried him had also an engineering background and was able to question him and Matrix did not answer his questions in the way that the member would agree with..

He also taught about the Process and interface system.. and I think it was a case of could members understand and believe what he was teaching...

To me it was  total material that I had never seen before...BUt I thought that I was able to understand some of what he was saying... but it was still a question of does one believe it..  He tried to show some proof... but no one as far as I was aware ever was able to check what he described... that was to create some device like  item that allowed you to look into ones own Soul..maybe like a lens type camera...if i recall !

Some other members also questioned some of the things that he was discussing in ref to his process system.. that I think ended up them uncertain about him..

Yes he did talk about Earthquakes etc... but that was not something that I followed in detail..


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Hi Astr0144,

Originally through ATS posts and then through this forum, i also read his Blog and his Website which is not active now http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/

this is his other website though it has been  left unfinished at 6 pages, it has a contact form on it also: https://mind-video-interfaces.weebly.com/

and a short blog on g+ https://plus.google.com/109147019951353772673

But like yourself i have wondered why he is not posting anymore.

"last visit was just over 1 year ago in July 2017" yes i noticed that as well, as i had thought  it had  been more years then  that, though over 1 year is quite a while.

i remember him talking  about earthquakes and volcanoes which would bring about a planet change through sea water going into the  molten crust in the ocean, so i am wondering if we are seeing a start of this with  the hawaii volcano



Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 04, 2018, 12:32:26 pm
I did see some of the arguments that were going around, which was a shame because what matrix was posting is unique  and not to be found anywhere else, except for example in architecture and symbolism and geometry shapes etc.

matrix was posting the truth behind all the symbolism, religions etc.

about the processing system of the all, my  guess is that matrix is still around just got jaded from all the  arguments and decided to stop posting online.

what parts about what he taught did you struggle with?.

what happens with the earthquakes is that the water rushes  into the ocean trenches and explodes off of the molten magma, this process causes a chain reaction so just keeps getting worse, causing massive tsunamis, that wash the surface of the earth clean.

a lot of the water goes up as steam also creating a tropical environment and the seas recede under the crust creating more land mass, GOD basically recreates the earth through this process.

matrix said that this process has happened before, earth  is roughly a 7000 year program, or some time like that.

this is one  reason it would be  good if someone could bring matrix back to the forum, because it would be good to get right with this processing system before these things happen.

Thanks for posting those Links of Matrix's...

I am sorry to see that he is not still posting on those other blogs...

Its a bit of a detailed story behind the history of Matrix and PRC...

For 3 years he posted a lot of material.. and some members inc myself did attempt to follow some of his content... which I believe seemed  quite complex...BUT I found some of it Interesting  and Tried to follow and understand certain things that he taught ...

At one stage he was was trying to explain some complex thing to do with UFOs and How they worked... and one member queried something... and it led to a bit of a misunderstanding... and Matrix threatened to leave the forum..

At the time I was very interested in what he was posting.. but the member who queried him had also an engineering background and was able to question him and Matrix did not answer his questions in the way that the member would agree with..

He also taught about the Process and interface system.. and I think it was a case of could members understand and believe what he was teaching...

To me it was  total material that I had never seen before...BUt I thought that I was able to understand some of what he was saying... but it was still a question of does one believe it..  He tried to show some proof... but no one as far as I was aware ever was able to check what he described... that was to create some device like  item that allowed you to look into ones own Soul..maybe like a lens type camera...if i recall !

Some other members also questioned some of the things that he was discussing in ref to his process system.. that I think ended up them uncertain about him..

Yes he did talk about Earthquakes etc... but that was not something that I followed in detail..
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 04, 2018, 04:38:15 pm
But like yourself i have wondered why he is not posting anymore.

Matrix was 75 when he last posted here

The last email I got from him was:

Subject:    Re: Ron can you pass this email onto theseeker as my return email failed.
Date:    Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:54:37 +1300
From:    John <matrix.interfacexxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com>
To:    Ron Schmidt <standauffish@earthlink.net>

Thanks Ron,
Will drop by soon, and say hi.

The ol body is still around much to my surprize, I'm still walking but not as much these days.
Still hard into the Mx though....

Did you see we had a M 7.8 Earthquake near Wellington, and seismologists are still warning the public to be prepared for further Large earthquakes ?
I still have one eye on Wellington as do many others here.
It's good being near Auckland though, and we don't feel many earthquakes, even though we felt that M 7.8...

Friendly Regards,
John.



On 17 December 2016 at 13:32, Ron Schmidt <standauffish@earthlink.net> wrote:

    Hey there!!!
    Nice to see you still kicking!  Thought you might have transported outta here.
    Somamech left shortly after you did... Odd he just popped back in today LOL
    Will pass this on
    Stop by and say hi  Its pretty quiet over there since we booted the IG guys

    Ron
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 04, 2018, 06:10:19 pm
At one stage he was was trying to explain some complex thing to do with UFOs and How they worked... and one member queried something... and it led to a bit of a misunderstanding... and Matrix threatened to leave the forum.

Unfortunately for us and Matrix, he was here at the same time that Linda Brown's crew and Mikado had their war which nearly destroyed us. By the time we sorted that out it was too late.

(Oddly enough I ran into Linda in THIS timeline on Facebook... she seems a totally different person  and goes by Linda Leach, having been married for over 30 years ( a fact that was NEVER mentioned by the old Linda Brown from Timeline A))

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He also taught about the Process and interface system.. and I think it was a case of could members understand and believe what he was teaching...
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It is the nature of forums that very few people understand most things and one of the main reasons is very few people take the time to actually study a particular topic... most just want to add a comment or opinion, but rarely LISTEN and follow up. Pegasus was supposed to be better :P

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but it was still a question of does one believe it..  He tried to show some proof... but no one as far as I was aware ever was able to check what he described... that was to create some device like  item that allowed you to look into ones own Soul..maybe like a lens type camera...if i recall !

A light box... kinda like a strobe light effect. Doesn't work for everyone. Flashing lights give me a headache  and it can trigger epilepsy in some.

Star Gate SG-1 used such a device  The Ancient Repository of Knowledge...  basically a light box that grabs you and uploads to your brain. Few minutes looking in to this and you got all the ancient knowledge   Unfortunately most humans are not yet evolved enough to handle it

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/6/60/LostcityPart111.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080628221440)

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Some other members also questioned some of the things that he was discussing in ref to his process system.. that I think ended up them uncertain about him..

Some members question EVERYTHING and believe NOTHING :P 

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Yes he did talk about Earthquakes etc... but that was not something that I followed in detail..

Well when you live in earthquake central and your house is always shaking, you tend to discuss earthquakes a lot

 ::)

 :P

 8)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on August 05, 2018, 03:09:57 am
I am glad that you at least have read or have some idea of the past history of what happened between Matrix and any past issues he may have had on the forum... it saves having to explain things in more detail...

Also Zorgons last two posts Hopefully answer some further issues..

It would have been interesting to have seen you on the forum back when Matrix was posting.... and to know that you have such an interest and maybe a good or beter understanding than most in ref to  his material...

As I think I may had appreciated to read your opinions on his comments back then

The thing that I may have questioned about Matrix.. other tha TRYING to understand his material... may have been the relgious side to some parts of what he taught..and I think that coud apply to many who may not be greatly religous.


But some of the things he said did make me gain further interest in researching somethings from the Bible that I had been rather ignorant or naive about during my past..as I became more of an atheist and had ignored religion since school days..

I have ended up watching quite a lot of TV programs about researching into some of the stories of the bible and found them interesting..

I found some of his geometric and science explanation theories of good interest..
but the geometry good rather too complex for me to absorb or understand as time went on...

but I do think the man must have had great Intellegence to show what he appears to have had created....

No doubt some of his descriptions of LIFE as he descibes it....take some time to absorb or consider as being possible...

One may question is this just another theory out of maybe numerous other possible versions that such types of people could create...

and now I am older and maybe wiser... maybe I can consider that more now having gone thru taking some months or years to try and understand what he was demonstrating..

I found his of "Nothing is  Something"  or something is Nothing explanation quite thought provoking ... in how that maybe existance has and will always be...and it seems to be one good suggestion to compare the Big Bang theory with...

His diagrams of how that came about... in terms of from a dot to say a Cuboid in terms of dimension were very impressive at the tim... and maybe certainly got anyone who thought that they understand it.. to really question things...

BUT I have since wondered could I question that theory again now ! as I may have had some further thoughts on trying to question some things that he descibed..

but ... It would be very fasenating if what he shows us was truth...

and if you think maybe you have some answers... it could be of interest to read your views on it..


Soul Journey
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I did see some of the arguments that were going around, which was a shame because what matrix was posting is unique  and not to be found anywhere else, except for example in architecture and symbolism and geometry shapes etc.

matrix was posting the truth behind all the symbolism, religions etc.

about the processing system of the all, my  guess is that matrix is still around just got jaded from all the  arguments and decided to stop posting online.

what parts about what he taught did you struggle with?.

what happens with the earthquakes is that the water rushes  into the ocean trenches and explodes off of the molten magma, this process causes a chain reaction so just keeps getting worse, causing massive tsunamis, that wash the surface of the earth clean.

a lot of the water goes up as steam also creating a tropical environment and the seas recede under the crust creating more land mass, GOD basically recreates the earth through this process.

matrix said that this process has happened before, earth  is roughly a 7000 year program, or some time like that.

this is one  reason it would be  good if someone could bring matrix back to the forum, because it would be good to get right with this processing system before these things happen.


Thanks "Z" for the reminder on the light box.... I think I was cosidering it a bit like a pin hole camera with some sort of lens on it...

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Zorgon
A light box... kinda like a strobe light effect. Doesn't work for everyone. Flashing lights give me a headache  and it can trigger epilepsy in some.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 05, 2018, 12:38:03 pm
There was a strong earthquake today in indonesia https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45076800 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45076800) i have  found one of the posts where  matrix talks about NZ earthquakes and the biblical connections, i still think it is something that could happen, matrix had seen the future remote viewing:

from the  Wellington Earthquake warning ! - New Zealand thread: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4937.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4937.0)

Hi 1WW,

I have been quite lately because of what I have seen, through what you and others might refer to as
"Remote Viewing".

I am troubled greatly at present, by what I saw.

You know I am NOT a religious person but there is account of the world situation in biblical writings
in the N.T.

In "The Gospel According to LUKE" Ch. 21 verses 25 & 26 Quote;

What I saw certainly relates to the underlined section in the above verses.

And another verse in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" Ch. 21 verses 21 & 22  Quote;

The Sky went Black and what was stretch out over the whole sky i.e. filling ones vision
was the Disc Section of this Drawing.... replacing the Black Sky

   
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/0251.jpg)



But the two verses above referring to both the Waves Roaring and the seas disappearing
are connected to the Oceanic Trenches and the Earths plates.

I saw huge tidal affects which went out across the earth, caused by Catastrophic activity
within the Trenches destroying everything which was on the face of the Earth and ALL perished
on the Earth. The seas then withdrew back off the face of the Earth, and went down huge
openings where the Oceanic trenches had opened. These openings caused the oceans
to have like long openings along the trenches having a huge waterfall like action on ether side
of the openings and all the debris was taken down into the Earth via what were the trenches.

After this took place there were No more seas on Earth.

As for the human race less than 1% remained... and to these people, a very strange thing took place;
Right at the time the tidal activity took out everything on the Earth.
Their bodies took on two similar images, One was taken (By the tidal activity) the other left.

In "The Gospel According to LUKE" Ch.18 verses 34. to 36 Quote;

King James VersionNew American Standard Version (1995)Basic English Bible
The "TWO" does NOT refer to TWO people i.e. these TWO being Gay !

But instead we all, have like TWO bodies mixed as one. (Having Double Logic)

One being the seed of A' DAM... the other of the wicked one through the cross breeding
between Alien and Human 5 to 6,000 years ago.

As I have said I am NOT a religious person but know the writings well from my early years
of education.... without going into my personal background.

What troubles me is, what I saw through what you and others may refer to as "Remote Viewing"
draws a parallel with what is written in these writings.

Now I Can NOT say that this shall happen according to what I saw, but it troubles me greatly,
to whether or NOT I should say more about all this.

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 05, 2018, 02:27:03 pm
I have a good idea of what matrix would talk about, but i can't put it into words or diagrams like he did, which is a shame that he is not posting anymore, he had 1000's of pictures and animations that described what he was talking about.

was just difficult to follow but if you work at it, what he says starts to click into realization, when we are given new bodies at/after  the cataclysm we will be taught by LIFE.

I am glad that you at least have read or have some idea of the past history of what happened between Matrix and any past issues he may have had on the forum... it saves having to explain things in more detail...

Also Zorgons last two posts Hopefully answer some further issues..

It would have been interesting to have seen you on the forum back when Matrix was posting.... and to know that you have such an interest and maybe a good or beter understanding than most in ref to  his material...

As I think I may had appreciated to read your opinions on his comments back then

The thing that I may have questioned about Matrix.. other tha TRYING to understand his material... may have been the relgious side to some parts of what he taught..and I think that coud apply to many who may not be greatly religous.


But some of the things he said did make me gain further interest in researching somethings from the Bible that I had been rather ignorant or naive about during my past..as I became more of an atheist and had ignored religion since school days..

I have ended up watching quite a lot of TV programs about researching into some of the stories of the bible and found them interesting..

I found some of his geometric and science explanation theories of good interest..
but the geometry good rather too complex for me to absorb or understand as time went on...

but I do think the man must have had great Intellegence to show what he appears to have had created....

No doubt some of his descriptions of LIFE as he descibes it....take some time to absorb or consider as being possible...

One may question is this just another theory out of maybe numerous other possible versions that such types of people could create...

and now I am older and maybe wiser... maybe I can consider that more now having gone thru taking some months or years to try and understand what he was demonstrating..

I found his of "Nothing is  Something"  or something is Nothing explanation quite thought provoking ... in how that maybe existance has and will always be...and it seems to be one good suggestion to compare the Big Bang theory with...

His diagrams of how that came about... in terms of from a dot to say a Cuboid in terms of dimension were very impressive at the tim... and maybe certainly got anyone who thought that they understand it.. to really question things...

BUT I have since wondered could I question that theory again now ! as I may have had some further thoughts on trying to question some things that he descibed..

but ... It would be very fasenating if what he shows us was truth...

and if you think maybe you have some answers... it could be of interest to read your views on it..


Soul Journey

Thanks "Z" for the reminder on the light box.... I think I was cosidering it a bit like a pin hole camera with some sort of lens on it...
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 06, 2018, 02:36:44 am
I have a good idea of what matrix would talk about, but i can't put it into words or diagrams like he did, which is a shame that he is not posting anymore, he had 1000's of pictures and animations that described what he was talking about.

Thing about Foruminions :P is that few LOOK at our website :P

While I admit it IS huge and has a lot of STUFF....  I find myself in so many threads people asking questions we already covered ages ago :D

For example  ALL of Matrix Traveler's images in sorted order including the last ones he sent to me via email after he stopped posting

Matrix Traveller Gallery
Page One
Some of the images below are gif animations but do not appear as such in the thumbnail


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Gallery_001.html

10 pages

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images2/Transport%20Interface%20001.gif)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 06, 2018, 03:05:47 am
I have  found one of the posts where  matrix talks about NZ earthquakes and the biblical connections, I still think it is something that could happen, matrix had seen the future remote viewing:

I always figured he was using what we called 'remote viewing' in his work...  but I think the Biblical references while at the same time saying 'I'm not religious" kinda muddied the water for many.  Those who don't believe in the Bible tend to stop listening when someone quotes scriptures, while those that believe in that book tend to know listen to ANYTHING that is remotely different

Now not sure you been watching the Timeline thread... Those of us from Timeline A were inundated on the internet with Ed Dames, a top remote viewer, who predicted the solar flare KILL SHOT in our timeline. It was all over the web...

Then suddenly we find ourselves in THIS "Timeline B" and there is almost no mention of it at all except difficult to find references on how it missed us.

Now I don't care who believes us or not...  but all the weird changes I documented all revolve around that date 2012...

So one hypothesis we have formed is that in Timeline A the KILL SHOT happened and our Earth was wiped out and we were transported to this one for some as yet unknown reason

I really wanted to ask Matrix about this :D  maybe he pushed that button :P and we got here through his transport device :D
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: astr0144 on August 06, 2018, 06:43:57 am
You must have studied his material quite a bit if you have gained even a partial undersanding...


I have no idea how he managed to create all what he posted... its must have been a very of time and effort to study, create the animations and images and do the content and think it all out and lay it out and then go about  explaining it....

He must have a remarkable brain..

Its very hard to think one could recite or explain certain things  or redraw his images with ref to them.

Soul Journey
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I have a good idea of what matrix would talk about, but i can't put it into words or diagrams like he did, which is a shame that he is not posting anymore, he had 1000's of pictures and animations that described what he was talking about.

was just difficult to follow but if you work at it, what he says starts to click into realization, when we are given new bodies at/after  the cataclysm we will be taught by LIFE.


Thanks for the link to to those images "Z"..

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Thing about Foruminions :P is that few LOOK at our website :P

While I admit it IS huge and has a lot of STUFF....  I find myself in so many threads people asking questions we already covered ages ago :D

For example  ALL of Matrix Traveler's images in sorted order including the last ones he sent to me via email after he stopped posting

Matrix Traveller Gallery
Page One
Some of the images below are gif animations but do not appear as such in the thumbnail

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images/Gallery_001.html

10 pages


Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: fansongecho on August 07, 2018, 09:44:24 pm

@ Z,

Something weird happened back in 2011/2012, by which I mean I have had a interest in the UFO and PSI topic since I was about 13 years old, but what seemed to happen after 2009 was I found more and more  information on the esoteric seemed to come my way, it was almost as if I was following a bread crumb trail that was deliberately leading me down a definite path - (until I eventually reached this Pegasus platform/forum last year)

I recall having heard about Ed Dames and the kill shot on Art Bell in 2011, and it was one show that I wanted to blow off as his compatriots from SRI didn't appear to hold him in (Dames) in very high regard - 

I recall an anecdote where they prank-ed him about Father Xmas one time with a RV session - but for what ever reason in 2011 and 2012 I kept having really vivid dreams about Tsunami's, massive earthquakes, planes falling out of the sky and what I thought was a global nuclear war - it got so bad in 2012 I was probably sleeping 4 - 5 hours a night of broken sleep because I was so anxious about the world ending - my partner was worried about my lack of proper sleep and I got into a cycle of cat napping through the day, I would wake up in the night drenched in sweat and feeling sick to my stomach.

I kept coming across Art Bell on my YT searches and some of his guests didn't ring true for me, some did esp the RV guests, and I particularly liked Ingo Swann, I felt that he and Lynn Buchanan were the real deal, but as much as I wanted to not want Ed Dames to be correct , I couldn't shake off his Kill Shot interviews as being the truth.

As 2011 moved towards 2012, my sleep and anxious state got worse until, even using sleeping aids I was still only getting 4 or 5 hours of sleep a night, with those horrific dreams still plaguing me.

Then in 2012 after the autumn, they became less and less and I started to get more restful and peaceful nights and my dreams stopped being so horrible, I cant describe when my sleep pattern started to go back to being more benign but it was around Xmas 2012 when I lost the constant nagging feeling of being anxious and the world being destroyed in a huge fireball. 

Dad always said I had a over active imagination, so maybe it was just that ?

The key topics that came up when I was looking at YT was Art Bell and his RV guests, John L, Ingo S, Richard C Hoagland, HAARP , The moon landings and Project Camelot with John L..  now I know that YT has search algorithms that will populate yours searches with those topics / people but it seemed that I was being lead by the nose down a certain path of interest.

Maybe it was subjective memory, and I am not being objective about my memories from that period, but I am sure something very weird was happening in that time frame - which reminds me, Time-slicing and time sliding technology (not the computer processor technique) doesn't exist, or at least I cant find any material about these technology's, and maybe I picked them up at a subliminal level off a sci-fi series or film sometime waay back but these two expressions have come up in my dreams since 2011.

Anyway - here is one of the Art Bell & Ed Dames shows from waay back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HamfpNUShIY

Not sure where I was going with all that to be honest.  ::) :P
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 08, 2018, 03:01:46 am
Dad always said I had a over active imagination, so maybe it was just that ?

RVing is a real science, though not always 100% in results.  Most people that don't understand something will brush it off as "your imagining things" or "Your crazy"

Sadly when enough people tell you this you begin to believe maybe you are 'losing it'

Well I long ago stopped listening to such people. In fact my 'Illuminati' training tells me to ignore those types and put them out of my life because they will NOT have any interest in helping you advance. (this even goes down to simple issues like jobs etc)

A LONG TYME AGO..... IN A GALAXY NOT THAT FAR AWAY....

There was a remote viewing program run by the CIA called of all things "PROJECT STARGATE"  I never did find out why they chose that name LONG before it became a common term...

This program had THE BEST RVers in the world employed  Ingo Swan, Joe McMoneagle, and many more. This program had a LOT of success stories... the biggest one was the locating of the Russian Tesla Scalar Weapon Facility (that is all documented on the Livingmoon when I found the location on Google Earth  URDF-3 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Russian_Bases_URDF_3_Kazakhstan.html))

So one day in 1989, Congress discovers that the US of A has been operating Psychic spies for a long time (since about 1968)  and is out raged. They demand that this be stopped and all the files released to Congress...

Well THAT wasn't going to happen :P  So The CIA put their heads together with other military minds and came up with a solution.  "Let's put it in the PRIVATE sector... where Congress can't stick their noses in!"

So they did just that...   years ago when I first learned of all this I was on ATS with John Lear and I met Agent X :P at his birthday party.  I then discussed Star gate and RVing on ATS... and the name PsiTech came up as the new private sector RV operation (from Agent X).  Now at the time there was another fellow interested on ATS  His name was Michael Ruiz.   

Now I have a reason for not using Agent X's real name although I do have it already posted on Livingmoon (but who ever looks up stuff? :P)  So  Michael and I were talking about PsiTech, specifically about Ed Dames and his connection to them, and the law suit. This is why Ed Dames has a negative review on him :P

So in the course of converation I said that Agent X was the one who took Project Star Gate and made it into the private corporation now called PsiTech.  Well that is what I had from John at the time so I didn't doubt it :P but I said I was pretty sure of my source on that...

So anyway Michael says I was wrong... that he knew who did it...  Well the next day he writes back and says, "ummm about what we were discussing yesterday... let me get back to you" 

The next day he says "You were right, but they told me at work that "We don't discuss that here"

 :o  8)   ::)

So it seems Michael Ruiz was actually working for PsiTech  and caused a real stir when he popped that name and question :P

At the time PsiTech had a public page with the Military stuff hidden. But today they have come out of the closet :D

PSI TECH was founded in 1989 by a 4 star General (General Stubblebein) and a Military Intelligence officer (Agent X) who ushered a top secret information collection technology known as TRV (Technical Remote Viewing) out of the Pentagon and into the private sector.

If you visit their website you can hear SECNAV (Secretary of the Navy) say "I have no personal knowledge of that project and can't answer that question (smiling). I know about it but can't answer that question, I won't answer that question.

PSI TECH (http://www.psitech.net)

When I asked Agent X about him being the one that created PsiTech at John's 75th birthday last December he laughed and said "Let's just say I was the senior adult in the room"

 ::)

Now re Ed Dames...

Michael Horn injects himself into this story surrounding that Art Bell show where Ed was first brought out (1996) Michael Horn is the guy who represented Billy Meier as the 'Real Deal'.  Michael Horn is just another BS agent IMO :P  but here is the excerpt of relevance.  Seems he weaseled into the PsiTech mess at the same time Ed Dames was making claims...  here is the snippet;

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I expressed my interest in all of this to Mr. Harry DeLigter, an old friend and the owner of Lightworks and DeLigter Productions. I succeeded in contacting Ed Dames and his girlfriend Joni Douriff and arranging a meeting with Mr. DeLigter, another one of his associates and myself. This meeting ultimately led to Dames and Dourif and their company Psi Tech entering into an agreement with DeLigter to produce and distribute the TRV videotapes.
 
It is not my intention here to get into the details of that contractual arrangement, or the subsequent legal conflicts between the parties, just to lay out the groundwork in as concise a way as possible so as to explain my present concerns. It is also not my intention to launch into any personal attacks on any of the parties, my forthcoming criticism of Eds performances on the Art Bell show are directed at his self-proclaimed status as a scientist with, in his own words, "a monopoly on accuracy."

Rest here:  https://rense.com/ufo3/trv.htm

Brief summary of the law suit:

Dames went on to team up with Harry DeLigter, whose company Light Productions produced videos on paranormal subjects. However, DeLigter sued Dames and Psi Tech after Dames reportedly tried to cut him out of the profits. Dames was forced to cough up $435,000 after a breach of contract judgment and stepped down as president of Psi Tech, which was then taken over by his ex-wife Joni Dourif. He later claimed that he left the company for "ethical reasons". Dames then set up a new company, the TRV Institute.  Later, Dane Spotts, who became CEO of Psi Tech, claimed that a former Psi Tech employee named F.M.Bonsall burgled Dourif's house and made off with several boxes of files belonging to Psi Tech, which he allegedly handed over to Dames. Spotts filed a lawsuit against Dames, his wife Jane, and Bonsall. According to "remote viewer" Aaron Donahue, Dames mentored him until the pair had a falling out. 

Now on ATS it seems someone has brought this up again with a post dated
Mar, 25 2017 @ 11:44 AM

Notice the NAME of the poster? '2012'

2012newstart
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1165959/pg1


Re: Michael Ruiz

So back to Michael...  It seems he was in the process of creating his own RV company for the private sector.  He apologized to me for saying I was wrong and said he owed me one  so where would I like to send a team to RV..

Well I said VENUS  :D

So he actually did... a team of 5 people with a blind target that was VENUS...

Apparently what they saw scared the crap out of them :D And he sent me the report but asked I keep it confidential. I will dig it up and I am sure I can post it now...  They didn't understand what they saw, but is scared them, because they were not expecting it...

They saw plasma critters   and they has keepers :P

 ::)

The Remote Viewing Consortium Solves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CqxKct2k-8
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 08, 2018, 03:07:49 am
Interesting comment here on ATS:

Aliensun
posted on Mar, 25 2017 @ 04:13 PM link (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1165959/pg1#pid22057977)
 

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originally posted by: The GUT
Remote Viewing program of U.S. government was in actuality a mind control project. Screwed most of those folk for the rest of their lives. Dames is the poster child.

You have NO idea what you are talking about. I can blatantly make that statement to match what you posted.

Remote Viewing has a long history of being developed (the manual written by Ingo Swann was/is still available for free to download from the internet from an "Anglefire" net source). Dames was/is one of the most wild of the former RVers of the US Army, but there are many of them that proudly served their country performing this skills for over twenty years for the Army. Only a fool would claim that then were all mind-controlled robots. It you want to get into a royal battle over the issue, please respond with something more than what you have provided. I have on hand the data and books by the former RVers, some of which are still active in their private lives doing RVing.

I assume that you are confusing the MK-Ultra programs with Remote Viewing while the CIA supplied the funding, they are not the same animal.

The GUT
posted on Mar, 25 2017 @ 05:37 PM link
 

Quote
originally posted by: Aliensun
You have NO idea what you are talking about. I can blatantly make that statement to match what you posted.

The first funding for the RV program came from MK-ULTRA chief Sidney Gottlieb, I see you are aware. The MK-ULTRA connections to remote viewing goes much deeper, however. The RV'ers were also classified as "Human Use Experimentation. Did you know that?

Are you also aware that "Remote Viewing" was basically ripped off (maybe plagiarized is more accurate) from Scientology "mind tech?"

Scientology/Remote Viewing Timeline
Well Researched Timeline on Connection Between Scientology and Remote Viewing
(http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/scientology_remote_viewing)

I cover Remote Viewing--along with evidentiary items as to its relation to mind control--in some detail in the following thread starting on the first page

Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread976484/pg1)

Zorgon
Well you can insert ONE NAME into that mess

DR HAL PUTHOFF

 ::)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 08, 2018, 08:13:26 am
Scientiology has no right to claim remote viewing tech!

Druids,. Shamans etc have been doing RV (by a different name) for thousands of years.

Scientology is just some material stolen from Aleister Crowley with a bit of other pseudo-science, pseudo-psychology and some nonsense about aliens thrown in and I refuse to engage with anyone who wants to contradict me about that.  So there! :P  :P  :-X ;)

Any Wiccans on here?  That was also started with some ritual material stolen from Aleister Crowley. :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: fansongecho on August 08, 2018, 09:11:04 am

@Z, that is great info & update buddy, I would like to look at the RV Venus topic sometime, sounds bizarre and interesting all at once - kind a like when Ingo S was ushered off the moon on one of his RV missions. // No one mentions much about this guy (who's book I read in the late 90's who was part of Grill Flame / Star Gate but I forget when he was sent there. - https://davidmorehouse.com/

https://davidmorehouse.com/psychic-warrior/
 
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Morehouse_1.pdf

@Pimander  :)  :)

Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 08, 2018, 10:11:32 am
@Fansong: Have you read Ingo's book?  I have a copy I can email to you if you want to read it...

So what's the latest on Hal then Z?  Is he pretending not to be a Scientologist now?  I get confused myself with who is what and working for whom sometimes LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Madness I tell ye  :o
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: fansongecho on August 08, 2018, 01:11:29 pm

Hi Pimander,

I have the Penetration PDF I found a few months back, is this the same one m8?

Cheers,

Fans'
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 09, 2018, 05:50:31 am
Yes, that's the one I read/have.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: fansongecho on August 09, 2018, 02:52:46 pm

@Pimander  :) Excellant bud, did you read the Dark Star "fiction" book he wrote back in the late 70's I think it was ..  I read it, and I thought even back then, this is based on fact ! cant find my copy baah!!


Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 09, 2018, 04:06:21 pm
I haven't read it but have heard about it.  "Fiction" is the easiest way to release classified information without being locked up I suppose.  I have to confess it has got me thinking. ;)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 09, 2018, 06:40:46 pm
  "Fiction" is the easiest way to release classified information without being locked up I suppose. 

Yes Tom bedlam told us that too  that he was allowed to say things so long as they were as fiction. That is why you need to learn to read between the lines to get the truth and follow up on the crumbs of truth.

unfortunately, save for a handful of people, NO ONE cares about the truth... they would rather pay big money to the UFO Evangelists who feed them what they want to hear
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: SoulJourney on August 10, 2018, 12:49:57 pm
I have found TMT's page  he did on blogspot in 2012 to 2013, starting TUESDAY, APRIL 3, 2012, here is page one:

http://thematrixtraveller.blogspot.com/2012_04_03_archive.html (http://thematrixtraveller.blogspot.com/2012_04_03_archive.html)

"TUESDAY, APRIL 3, 2012
0001 Those questions which should be asked.
 0001

Have You ever wondered what this world, Your Body and Universe is Really about?

Many Philosophers have announced their thoughts regarding this subject but does anyone
really know what this is all about?

Is it about Religious Philosophy or how much wealth we can attain, or is it to do with Human
development or is it about something entirely different which is Not currently being discussed.

Science offers its theories re. "The Big Bang". But do any of us Comprehend what is really
taking place and Where this is taking place, i.e. were actually is this Universe ?

It is easy to say we are in this Universe but where IS the Universe and What is it for?

Is it, as some may suggest a "Holographic" experience?

Or is the Universe as Material as most on Earth believe ?

And where does ALL Come from and HOW?

Is there a god, gods or a God or is this only a human belief.

Or does this involve something which has never occurred to the Human Species.

In the following Posts I wish to look into some of these subjects and show what is really
taking place, including why the Human experience exists, as well as the purpose of what
we experience.

Much of what I shall REVEAL may shock some, while others may be fascinated and perhaps
understand what I am about to reveal.

I am very much a "nuts and bolts" person, and don't jump into blind belief.

I can only report on what I have experienced over  last 40 years regarding what I have seen
and experienced first hand."





Hi Astr0144,

Originally through ATS posts and then through this forum, i also read his Blog and his Website which is not active now http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/ (http://www.conceptual-computer-interfaces.com/)

this is his other website though it has been  left unfinished at 6 pages, it has a contact form on it also: https://mind-video-interfaces.weebly.com/ (https://mind-video-interfaces.weebly.com/)

and a short blog on g+ https://plus.google.com/109147019951353772673 (https://plus.google.com/109147019951353772673)

But like yourself i have wondered why he is not posting anymore.

"last visit was just over 1 year ago in July 2017" yes i noticed that as well, as i had thought  it had  been more years then  that, though over 1 year is quite a while.

i remember him talking  about earthquakes and volcanoes which would bring about a planet change through sea water going into the  molten crust in the ocean, so i am wondering if we are seeing a start of this with  the hawaii volcano.
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 13, 2018, 03:40:18 pm
unfortunately, save for a handful of people, NO ONE cares about the truth... they would rather pay big money to the UFO Evangelists who feed them what they want to hear
Or perhaps they know deep down that they couldn't handle the truth.  8)
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: zorgon on August 13, 2018, 05:34:55 pm
Or perhaps they know deep down that they couldn't handle the truth.  8)

Well today Nibiru is seen all over the world at sunset , the Earth is flat, the Sun and Earth are stationary, UFO's are flitting about by the thousands daily (but we can't produce ONE single real alien), Aliens are controlling the government puppets... 

So WHICH truth can't they handle?  :P
Title: Re: When the Human Species (Primate) comes across something NEW.
Post by: Pimander on August 14, 2018, 07:02:57 am
So WHICH truth can't they handle?  :P
That they don't know what the fuc4 is going on and it scares them.

Most people pretend lots of fringe topics are all spouted by crazy conspiracy theorists so they can go on as if their safe paradigm is real.  Well it isn't.  That is the truth.

(And yes, lots of fringe topics have crazies in the melting pot)

I think they call it cognitive dissonance.  Collective denial or whatever.

The military appear to have filmed alien craft.  Under water and in LEO.  But it allows people to carry on believing the BS they have been taught since they were children if they believe the denials.

Something that amuses me is how many people only believe in the aliens described in the Babble (Bible).

Another thing that amuses me is that we have so far not found any place that even Earth life can't survive so far.  Deep underground with no light.  Deep under water.  Near volcanic vents.  The upper atmosphere.  Bacteria surviving in space at Low Earth Orbit.  EVERY PLACE WE HAVE BEEN life survives.  It is extremely unlikely that if life from this speck of "mostly harmless" dust is so persistent that we won't find life wherever we look.  If we open our eyes and look properly.

But yeah, the truth they can't handle is that they know fuc4 all.