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Title: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2012, 09:19:25 pm
The End of Entropy:

A Look at Our Entropic World and the Evidence Supporting How We Could Change This


 by Amaterasu, 2010


Entropy…  That measure of disorder that increases as energy is dissipated into unusable forms effects many aspects of our present human condition.  It is easy to grasp the principle as it pertains directly to heat.  We see the energy of a fire heat our food, but we also can see a great deal of heat going out unused and unusable.  This extra heat can be seen as increasing the disorder, as the molecules affected move more rapidly and more disorderedly.  A more difficult aspect to see is the entropy inherent in our social structure.

In Jeremy Rifkin’s seminal work Entropy, published in 1980, he does an excellent job of demonstrating that, because energy is at the base of life, itself, entropy can ripple through society, creating disorder even as we try to clamp down and control the order of things.  In fact, he paints a very grim picture of what we can expect as we consume more and more energy, explaining that fascist tendencies are most likely to crop up in the efforts to overcome entropy in our society.  Today we see more and more signs of encroaching fascism.

The reason why energy and its entropy are tied in to our social structures is made clear by Rifkin in his work (p. 89):

…  Every time we add our labor to a product or perform a service we expend energy and increase the overall entropy of the environment.  Every time we exchange money for a product or a service, the legal tender we use represents payment for previous energy that we expend.  Money, after all, is nothing more than stored energy credits.

If money is merely the accounting of the available energy, it becomes clear that should an energy source come along that has the properties of being effectively infinite, available from anywhere, and negentropic (from “negative entropy”), the need for money dissipates.  “Infinite money” has no social application.

In fact, because of our limited available energy and the money system developed to account for it, it is clear why we have a “power” elite, as well as poverty and exploitation.  Rifkin explains (p. 57):

Energy is the basis of human culture, just as it is the basis of life.  Therefore, power in every society ultimately belongs to whoever controls the exosomatic [external] instruments that are used to transform, exchange, and discard energy.  Class divisions, exploitations, privilege, and poverty are all determined by how a society’s energy flow line is set up.  Those who control the exosomatic instruments control the energy flow line.  They determine how the work in society will be divided up and how the economic rewards will be allocated among various groups and constituencies.

Given this, it becomes clear that if such an infinite, available, negentropic source of energy were to be introduced, power over others would give way to individual autonomous power over self but no others.  This can be seen as a major shift in Consciousness on this planet.

This all sounds hypothetical, a waste of time to contemplate even, to the average individual who has been told that we are stuck with the many entropic sources of energy we presently use (which also are sources we have to pay for).  “Where is this miracle source?” they might ask.

And here is where I bring up the “Dark” Energy that is now heralded all over science shows about physics and cosmology.  This energy, which has been called “radiant energy” and “cosmic rays” (Tesla), “orgone” (Wilhelm Reich), “Zero Point Energy,” and many others, is pervading space.  It is within you and within me, around all of us, and is present anywhere we go.  Interestingly, though we are told of this energy (usually as “Dark” Energy), no mainstream media (MSM) outlet has asked the most logical question:  Can we extract this energy in usable form?

In fact, back in the 1950’s, the science of electrogravitics was being discussed openly in the aerospace literature, an industry that was studying electrogravitics at all the major players:  Lockheed, Convair, Lear, and many others.  The discussion vanished, it just wasn’t discussed anymore, despite the fact that so many companies had been drawn into the electrogravitics arena.  Reports were that, “They want it secret for now.”  Electrogravitics could draw on this energy and create overunity – free energy, in other words.  So why was this a threat?

The reasons for these occurrences – that the media never ask if we can draw on the Dark Energy, that electrogravitics became highly classified – become clear when we look at the fact that those presently in power would have to give up their power over others (having already power over themselves).  From the perspective of those few, they would “lose.”

Such an energy source would represent, at least, a virtually infinite source that is available to all.  Any attribution of a negentropic aspect comes from reports from a number of sources suggesting that cold, not heat, is the defining characteristic of drawing on this source.  These reports and the surrounding research and data have surely been suppressed – at least to the extent of not reporting on it and never, ever asking whether we can get something usable from “Dark” Energy.  It would be a naïve position at best to expect the present power elite to ignore and NOT suppress and disparage any efforts to develop this source in usable form.

And so, it would appear that we have had methods of extracting usable forms of energy from the “Dark” Energy pool, called the plenum (opposite of “vacuum,” from a root which means “empty” – “plenum” means “full”) for at least 100 years (Tesla seems to have developed such methods).  And we might conclude that the power elite wish to remain in their place of power over others, else they would have released the means to extract usable energy to the public.  (There is strong evidence of suppression of many “free” energy devices, from hydrogen-from-water devices through magnetic devices, as well as the Plenum Energy methods.)

The question now becomes, what would happen if we had this energy available to all of us?  The answer depends on how we, as a planetary society, approach the matter.

Since we’re examining society, it helps to understand that it moves and emerges in fractal expressions from a relatively small seed set of parameters. Up until now, the fractal seeds of all societies in history have included scarcity of energy (which is reflected in the scarcity of goods and money), and thus we see emerging greed, conspiracy, poverty, power elite, wage slavery and many other ills.  If we look for a seed that gives an overarching structure for a society’s development in the advent of having such a source of energy available, and take advantage of what media we can to raise awareness to the tipping point of the goals and precepts we define, the society that fractalizes out of that seed will be strong, healthy, and unrestrictive – provided the seed is geared to that end.

The key things that must be addressed are:

1. A code of conduct
2. Our approach to the Earth and how we bring forth the abundance she has to give
3. How open we will be on code and programs for our machines
4. How necessary work gets done
5. How we communicate and identify the primary issues
6. What focus in life should be stressed

If we seed our society with a code of conduct, calling to the fore the three Laws – which are:

1. Do not willfully harm or kill another Being
2. Do not willfully take or damage another Being’s property
3. Do not willfully defraud another Being

this sets one parameter of the seed to ethics.

If we insist that all farming be organic – in its true sense, and not some trumped up legal definition – our food will grow ever better.  If we insist that mining is done with a conscious awareness for retaining beauty and structure, our impact will be small and repairable.  If we insist that manufacturing be done such that it is free of pollutants, our planet will remain healthy and abundant.  If we are using the Plenum Energy, the energy we use will be clean (and fracture drilling, oil pumping, coal mining, rain forest clearing and other nasty behaviors and consequences associated with petrofuels will be eliminated).  If we set this parameter of the seed with the drive to be thoughtful of our planet, our planet will thrive.

If we demand open-source in all technology, we remove fears of machines “taking over.”  Code can be looked at, published on the web – and better code will be worked out by those whose bliss it is to program things.  A distrust of proprietary code (or any other hidden thing) should be promoted.  Such a setting in this parameter of the seed will bring forth the best we can create.

By creating robots to do all the necessary work no one (or not enough people) wants to, we release ourselves to do what we enjoy – we are released from slavery, having cast it off onto our machines.  This seed parameter is one only now available to humanity.  Never before in our history have we had the option to create mechanical slaves for every “dirty job.”  Therefore, it, along with the addition of a negentropic energy source, will provide a frame for unique emergence, a new societal framework, a new consciousness.

With a central website, in forum style, to address major issues – divided into local sections, regional sections and global sections, with “votes” at a certain level elevating the problems and solutions to the next level to be voted on by a greater number – we can collectively and stigmergically coordinate to solve the issues of this planet.  Social responsibility will be seen as spending 15 minutes a day (or more) reviewing the issues on this site.  This seed parameter will see an emergence of human unity as a race and as a planet.  (For a definition of stigmergy, please see http://journal.media-culture.org.au/0605/03-elliott.php )

Setting a focus of fulfilling one’s own bliss, exchanging the “work ethic” for a Betterment Ethic, will see very much happier people, and far better results of efforts made – a job is done far better by someone who loves to do it than by one who feels compelled against their main desire.  No job will be required to live well, but any job one wants to do is open to be done.  I quote again from Rifkin’s Entropy (p. 210) to illustrate the differences between the scarcity paradigm and the new abundance paradigm, as it relates to work:

… [T]he authoritarian structure of the workplace robs the individual worker of a chance to join in a community with his fellows to make decisions and develop his talents.  Unable to join with others to explore his potential and creativity, the individual is forced to retreat into a shell in which he has neither meaningful rights nor responsibilities at his work.  All he is left with is a job, a place to make money, and a degrading environment to which he must submit, eight hours of every day.

Thus we can see how a seed parameter of encouraging one to follow one’s bliss – since in this new paradigm one can – uplifts each one of us and increases the value of consciousness in society.

Having described the seed, how might it be expected to manifest?  One of the first products that is likely to be seen are “power boxes,” which will be sold, initially.  These would be units that had a mechanism to draw on the Plenum Energy and outlets to plug in our air conditioners, stoves, heaters, refrigerators, freezers, and so forth.  This would allow us to move anywhere and bring our comfort items with us.  We could “go camping” and still have our amenities, and many will.  Eventually these items will each have their own units within.

As the cost of energy is removed from the production line at every stage, things will become less and less expensive, and at some point, will be given freely.

Other observables will include:



From this list, it is clear that many issues we now face will be solved.  Wealth will be measured in richness of character, rather than in deposits to a bank account.  And we will spend our time doing what we like to do, being with the people we like and share interests with.  Inventions, rather than being suppressed, will burgeon, and the “Star Trek universe” may be within our grasp, with things like transporters and replicators emerging.

And spiritual growth and communication will be encouraged as we find a greater amount of our time available to pursue the exploration of our inner dimension.

And though this is not a solution to every issue arising from human interaction – we will always have our personal disagreements – the overall health of society will skyrocket.  Yes, we may still argue with others over the smaller issues in our lives, and some may choose to behave violently, but the numbers of occurrences will drop to a level we would consider statistically insignificant.  Definitely a vast improvement over what we see today.

When you consider what I present here, ask yourself these questions:

Does this threaten a pet vision – passing laws, say, to solve a problem you see, or a view of striking it rich – that you have of your future?  Does this scare you?  Do you look for reasons that it won’t work?  (All you envision as barrier issues – are scarcity paradigm views…)

Then ask yourself why working towards what I present here won’t solve the issue you want to solve, why you wouldn’t be rich in what I show to you, why it wouldn’t fulfill your idea of heaven, why you are afraid, and/or why you look for reasons it won’t work – rather than apply the proactive will to make this happen.

If we each choose to create this, since we have all it would take, consciously co-creating towards this goal, what I present would happen.  It would take enough of us reaching a tipping point before it would all be downhill, and you may choose your future behavior.  Speak for abundance, or reduce the chances that this will ever happen by keeping silent.

In closing, I recommend any who work for someone else and also are privy to information (such as methods of extracting usable energy from the plenum) give strong consideration to coming forth with what is known.  In the end, you and all of us will be better off – and even today’s power elite will retain their life style, if not their power over us.

 

Further reading:

The Abundance Paradigm, by Amaterasu
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf

Another Letter from the Future, by Amaterasu
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread491053/pg1

Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, by Dr. Paul A. LaViolette
http://www.scribd.com/doc/47447158/secrets-of-antigravity-propulsion-pdf-november-11-2010-11-21-pm-28-7-meg
 

To sign a petition for the release of electrogravitics technology:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on February 02, 2012, 10:38:38 pm
Amaterasu,

Your post is masterful and enormous and kind of like the Elephant in the room.... its easy to know its there.... but since I don't know very much about the other elements of your Elephant I am going to address the parts that I DO know.... You said here

"In fact, back in the 1950’s, the science of electrogravitics was being discussed openly in the aerospace literature, an industry that was studying electrogravitics at all the major players:  Lockheed, Convair, Lear, and many others.  The discussion vanished, it just wasn’t discussed anymore, despite the fact that so many companies had been drawn into the electrogravitics arena.  Reports were that, “They want it secret for now.”  Electrogravitics could draw on this energy and create overunity – free energy, in other words.  So why was this a threat?

Thats an excellent question. WHY? Most answers were that there were greedy people out there who wanted the developments for themselves..... but what if that was far from the truth?

The report was....THEY want it secret for now. For a later discussion it might be interesting to figure out who " THEY" was.

Why was it a threat? Because devices can be made from this technology that would make earlier atomic devices pale by comparison. You I know will immediately ask me how I know this and how I can back it up. Well I can....

Are you familiar with the word " Electrohydrodynamics" Its the sort of " kissing cousin " to Electrogravitics.... many of my Dads devices in the " white world" were based on " Electrohydrodynamics"  Take, for example, the fan that some of you have come to know as the " Ionic Breeze" if you search the "prior art" patents for that device you will find my Dads name. In fact he "handed the fan off" to Jim Lee, the man who licensed it finally to " Sharper Image" ( which of course bragged that it was revolutionary technology developed in their lab which was a common marketing falsehood. Perfectly good.... a boon to those with alergiesm totally silent.

But to go on. There was something else that was developed. If you all will bother to Google Electrohydrodynamics and "Pineapple B#mb" you will find some interesting material. That was something Dad never wanted to see the light of day but of course it has been used. I don't agree with all of the stories but enough of them are probably true. The CIA had a very good time with that particular " device".

I know personally some who were instrumental in developing the " art" around that particular thing. And they wanted it covered too......unfortunately there were others who took it forward. A very dangerous device.

And that was only ONE example of why some of these men decided to " sit on"  electrogravitation. We may also decide the same thing Amaterasu! You can't assume that a wonderful technology that would be a boon to so many of us wouldn't also be this worlds greatest nightmare. You need to see the whole package!

Why would it be kept secret? Perhaps some men and women along its development decided that was the most honorable thing to do.....and here we are talking about it again. I think that there are the same quality people here.

Before you open a brand new technology you need to know what it will mean in the distant future not just the immediate gratification of having our power worries taken away. Lets talk about this some more.

Those out there who happen to know more about the possibilities of weapons and such things as the EHD " Pineapple B#mb"  Of course you realize why I change that word..... we will probably get ENOUGH attention here by various intelligence agencies. Why spell it out for them!

Lets talk about the other side of all that good.  Linda Brown
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2012, 11:20:50 pm
I was not aware of this device.  Still...

If We are all freed from this crazy, power-over-Others, oppression-filled life to a one of abundance...  Why would anyOne create such a thing?  What would be Their motivation?

If free energy from the other sources - and I know there are other methods out there - were made available, where is the problem but that the present power elite will lose Their power over others.  And frankly, what I have read so far does not much rival TNT in large amounts. 

(I have a friend who worked for an inventor a number of years ago, helping Him set up demonstrations of a machine that drew power from the earth's magnetic field.  One day the FBI came in and took all the inventor's stuff and arrested the inventor for, get this, PATENT INFRINGEMENT!  I believe that inventor is still in jail!  So...  If there is a patent, where is this technology?)

Now, I was informed that someOne suggested some tech that could blow the solar system up, but the cute li'l device You led Me to does not seem to be that at all.  It seems to be nasty, yes.  But why keep Humanity enslaved, impoverished, starving, desperate over it.  I just don't get it.

I guess I don't expect there will be no issues with such things, but I do believe We'll get past that stage.  I do believe Humans who are free, fed healthy food, with option to live at any level of "richness" They choose, will have no motive to do dastardly things.  All They will accomplish is to become pariah amongst those remaining.

Locked comfortably up.  Able to live richly with no One to do anything bad to.

It makes no sense whatsoever to Me.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on February 03, 2012, 12:01:52 am
Hi Ameterasu

you said
"Now, I was informed that someOne suggested some tech that could blow the solar system up, but the cute li'l device You led Me to does not seem to be that at all.  It seems to be nasty, yes.  But why keep Humanity enslaved, impoverished, starving, desperate over it.  I just don't get it.



Generally I do not see EVERYONE enslaved, impoverished starving and desperate. Too many are, indeed ..... but my impression is that most people on earth live, love, raise their families, endure hardships and go about the business of living their lives under whatever leadership and influences they happen to be born into.

Would you change that ....... in exchange for mass extinction? Or warfare that would go WAY beyond that poor military phrase " acceptable civilian collateral?" What I am pointing to is no simple little nasty thing. What you saw there was just a tactical device for urban warfare......

I know that you have been talking about all of the good that the " technology" can do but you have no concept, I believe, of the horrors of the other side of it.

 I understand that. You did not need to know such things. I believe that your Dad told you what he did because he wanted you to have a banner which would become important to you. in the future.  If your Dad did know about the devices.... would he have told you? I don't believe so. You were just a child and no one wants to saddle a child with those kinds of visions.

So maybe were not looking at the same thing. "And frankly, what I have read so far does not much rival TNT in large amounts.'  maybe we were seeing things differently...... I hope some that someone more familiar with that EHD technology can join us here maybe...and explain things better.

Possibly Zorgon can give us a different thread so that you can continue your discussions here. I feel that I am being a wet blanket here and I am sorry about that.

Linda Brown

 

Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: starwarp2000 on February 03, 2012, 12:42:10 am
Amaterasu and Linda!

Both of you might like to read this book:

Secrets of Cold War Technology: Project Haarp and Beyond (Gerry Vassilatos)
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Cold-War-Technology-Project/dp/0932813801 (http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Cold-War-Technology-Project/dp/0932813801)

Or maybe:

http://www.avaxhome.ws/ebooks/0932813801.html (http://www.avaxhome.ws/ebooks/0932813801.html) ;)

There you will find out that Atomic Weapons are obsolete and have been replaced by Gamma Ray Beam Weapons (I won't go into their construction: read the book).

In the book there is an interesting history of the WHO you asked about before: It seems that a Hidden Elite originally controlled all the Advanced Weaponry up until the Atomic Age. During this era the control of Atomic Weapons was wrested away from them by the Military/Industrial Sector and they have controlled it ever since. The Elite have been plotting to wrest the control back and it is now Them  who control this new weaponry.

Have a read and it may answer some of your deepest questions in regards to your father's work.  :)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on February 03, 2012, 06:06:53 am
This message is in reply to a PM that I got with a link back to a discussion about a book by Gerry Vassilatos with the suggestion that I read it and maybe that would answer some of my questions! Thanks Starwarp but BOY! I wish that was true!!!! My life would be a WHOLE LOT simpler... but thanks for the attempt to help me out anyway!!!!!


Thank you for your reply to my questions. I am familiar with Mr. Vassilatos....... but unfortunately.... his books just propose an outline and in no way explain my Dads work. I am sorry to disappoint you because I see that you have great faith in the mans words.

"In the book there is an interesting history of the WHO you asked about before: It seems that a Hidden Elite originally controlled all the Advanced Weaponry up until the Atomic Age. During this era the control of Atomic Weapons was wrested away from them by the Military/Industrial Sector and they have controlled it ever since. The Elite have been plotting to wrest the control back and it is now Them  who control this new weaponry.

I do not dispute your "Hidden Elite". And it may be that my dispute with Mr. Vassilatos may come because he was asked to put various misinformation about my Dad out there. That sometimes happens..... but in the book " Lost Science" published in 1999 Gerry quotes this simple statement which entirely blew his credibility for me...." Dr. Thomas Townsend Brown loved warm and sunny climates ( SO TRUE) spending the remainder of his life in Umatillo Florida.  (NOT TRUE.)  How can you take a biographers account seriously when he does not even choose to write properly where his subject died.

But then maybe that was just a marker on the trail he knew we would someday pick up.

You are right. There are some hauntingly accurate accounts of my Dads thoughts in that account. I asked myself over and over.... who would have leaked this information to this man ( you will note that Mr. Vassilastos is exceptionally difficult to reach in person) I came to my own personal conviction that he got much of his " insider" information from a man named " Beau" Kitselman.... A. L. Kitselman.... my Dads very best friend and long time associate. Why would Beau sponsor a plan of disinformation like this? Because it was part of a very elegantly drawn up and multiyear plan.

Beau was the source of the information that my Dad left the Navy because of " mental strain" ...." after a "failed experiment in Philadelphia in the fall of 1943. " Going home to rest and having his detachment from the Navy soon following"... those were the words that Beau himself chose to print in 1962: Beau was responsible for that little bit of mis information.* A little yellow book,  named "Hello Stupid" where he supplies the information that later William Moore took almost word for word.

 Actually just weeks after he resigned from the Navy in the fall of 1942.....  ( note the date because it does not jibe with what William Moore claimed in The Philadelphia Experiment" yet I can prove this beyond a shadow.) Dad was on the road to report to a highly secret project at Vega Aircraft in Burbank California.  And who was there waiting to work with him.... in a totally black project? " Beau"

What I am trying to point out here is that your excitement about the words that you have taken to heart needs to be brought with you on a new quest. Because the words that you took so seriously were not entirely true. They served a purpose to delay REAL knowledge from being released. Its my opinion that the time for that is fast approaching.

Of course....there is room for error on my part. I can only go from the solid path that I can prove.... the rest of it falls into the deepest darkest rabbit hole ever known.

   Thanks for trying to point me in the right direction but.... you see.... I have already been there and back again!   Linda Brown
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on February 03, 2012, 11:48:44 am
Given that most of Us live in poverty (statistically ALL of Us), with few choices, and many dying of disease and starvation...  Given that cures are suppressed as intensely as electrogravitics for profit, leaving Us sick and dying unnecessarily...  Given that Our food supply is being taken over and degraded, made toxic, even, for profit...  Given that none of Us (statistically) may follow Our bliss but must work to enrich the few...  Given that We hunt, prosecute and imprison millions because a natural plant is "illegal" so it will not threaten profits...  Given that Our water tables are being poisoned for the purpose of extracting natural gas (fracking) for profit...  Given that Our water is is also poisoned for a two-fold purpose: to make Us placid and compliant, and to sell the poison to municipal water suppliers for profit...

Given the extreme role of profit in the illness, death and misery We endure, releasing the ability to extract free energy and eliminating the need for money on this planet is a solution to virtually ALL Our problems.

Humanity as a whole is a loving, giving species of Being, enslaved and caught in the ill-fitting yoke of a money system necessary only in an energy-scarce society.  We are enslaved by it.  We are left to suffer and die because of it.  Money promotes the LOVE of money/power, which is the root of all evil.

Most go through this life accepting Their struggle, not seeing it is unnecessary.  That's all They know because, for money/power, They are allowed to see nothing else.

And so...  Overunity is suppressed, ridiculed, hidden.  The battle then is to spread awareness.  It is a war of information, and the casualties are those who die of starvation, who are "cured" (or are sold a "cure") by things that are expensive and don't actually cure, who are dying from deadly "food," who work Themselves to death, who are marginalized for using an herb and left unemployable, who have no clean water to drink and use.

If enough of Us become aware that the solution IS available, We will demand it, and the only casualty will be power over others.

It won't take materially from these power elite.  It will only give materially to all the rest of Us.  The fears of someOne "blowing the planet up" are overrated and, I suspect, given to ensure a continuance of Their power over Us.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on February 03, 2012, 12:21:03 pm
I respect your passion for what you are saying but your long list of " givens" are not something that I can accept. Seems to paint you into a very strident frame of mind that might not be necessary.
You say
Given  that most of Us live in poverty (statistically ALL of Us), I am not sure where your figures are coming from and I am not sure at what mark you place " poverty".

Given that cures are suppressed as intensely as electrogravitics for profit, .... again I know that where there is a drive for profit we have all seen that kind of action but thats not EVERYTHING.... is it , to you?
Given that Our food supply is being taken over and degraded, made toxic, even, for profit....

 when you say that in such a blanket statement you ignor all of the advances that our agriculture has made and the enormous production levels that have been attained....yes there are problems.... but again thats too much of a blanket all inclusive statement for me...

I think that you can see my point here.... I am basically saying.....I don't have the same point of view at all...
Most go through this life accepting Their struggle, not seeing it is unnecessary.  That's all They know because, for money/power, They are allowed to see nothing else.I see what you are trying to say but again I think much is up to the individual to become wise enough to know for themselves that this is happening.  The chains that you mention are self made and self accepted. I am sure that you see it differently.

Animals have a guideline for existance that could seem terribly cruel... more cruel even than our societies.... in the sense that you mention above. They HAVE to hunt or GRAZE or whatever they do to survive.... thats their responsibility to themselves and their young.

 We have far more freedom than most wild animals. I am not sure that we are entitled to less responsibily than even the sparrow has to deal with.

It would be nice if we were deserving of less stress in our lives but I am not sure that we are!

If you did not have to deal with finances and were fortunate enough to live out in the woods by yourself or with your family. No money no bartering with neighbors..... no economic system to blame. What would your life be like then? Its a serious question Amaterus and I wonder if you would mind taking a moment to consider it.

Meanwhile I am still back on my particular kick of the negative sides to these EG and EHD techologies.... I don't want to go there here because it would pull focus from your discussion and what you have to say is important....

So Zorgon would it be alright to have a separate topic?

Thanks both,   Linda


 
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on February 03, 2012, 01:18:26 pm
Linda,

I don't mean to suggest that there are no efforts to fight the status quo.  Surely there are.  But they are not funded well, and Monsanto, Pfizer, BP, Haliburton, et al have plenty to spend, getting approvals for what They're doing and winning cases (like suing farmers over patents Whose fields were contaminated with pollen blown by the wind).

As for poverty, I count any who live paycheck to paycheck with virtually nothing for entertainment or leisure, I count all of Humanity such as vast numbers dying in third world countries, I count all those who cannot afford organic food, I count the homeless, the jobless, the Ones on food stamps.

Cancer has a number of cures - from cannabis to 714X to Rifeian approaches.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm

A long read but well worth the time spent.

More on free energy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy.htm

Lots of good information.

About fluoridation:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/fluoride.htm

It's all a racket, and We are the victims.

It's really difficult for the starving child to "become wise enough to know for themselves that this is happening."  It is difficult for Those who have no time for researching to become aware.  They are too busy trying to make ends meet, working two and three jobs, perhaps, or caring for Their families...  All They know is what's fed to Them by interests that are not interested in Them but in profit and control.  We, who HAVE had time or been gifted with knowledge, cannot throw responsibility onto Them.  It is Our responsibility to aid Them in any way We can.

As for living in the woods...  Would this include unlimited access to energy or not?  I would be quite happy if it did.  I would be struggling and energy-deficient if not.

And I still contend that the "negative sides to these EG and EHD techologies" are used to play on fears so that We DON'T step up and push for Human freedom from the money/power/energy interests.  THAT would match Their MO perfectly.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Captain Dave on February 03, 2012, 01:39:01 pm
Personally I agree with both of you. With Foresight and Wisdom, we can solve these problems. Balance must always be maintained, and right now the balance is skewed.

I've lived the Rich life, Poor life and inbetween, so I see the fence and both sides of the fence. It will take careful delicate planning and small changes to specific things. If we solve the small problems, the bigger problems will be fixed. Too much change all at once, positive or negative will not bring balance, but instead the opposite.

Once balance is restored, even the sparrows will have a better existence - as things are now, the sparrows may not exist at all within a relatively short time period because of humankinds refusal to admit their own wrong doing's. We are our own worst enemy at times.

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and idea's, because silence is not going to fix our problems. All the words of humankind together create the best possible solution.

Let your voice be heard not as a whisper in fear, but as a being created into existence by Creation itself.

Fearing to speak will be the end of us all, just as speaking aloud will be our salvation.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on February 03, 2012, 01:46:30 pm
Amaterasu,
 You make excellent points. I suppose that while being faced nearly my entire life with things that you say are " given" I have always seen another side to all of that. Some have called me a diehard optimist and perhaps they are absolutely right. Perhaps in the end that optimism for the future will not be proved correct. Its just a frame of mind I find difficult to abandon in exchange for a point of view which may actually be much more rational.

We are all windchimes reacting with different music perhaps to the same breeze!

Who was it who said that an " idea" was what could change the world, in fact it was the only thing that could. I suggest that the world can in fact be changed for the better. And money isn't the only power in the world. In fact ( here I go again) I think it actually is a false power at the end of things.... but thats me.

I know that money can not buy happiness but at least it buys most of us the freedom to do the things that we would prefer doing. But within that framework we all have choices. We don't HAXE tio slave at a job we hate. We don't have to be saddled with new car payments and mortgages on McMansions. We choose to look to those material things and become enslaved by them.

I agree with your comment on children. They deserve protection and they don't always have any choices at all....

 Children also have alot more fun sometimes with the box that an expensive gift came in rather than the gift itself. What do they call that " childlike symplicity?"

We dont have to be slaves to the materialistic world around us.... but you are right.... many of us are brainwashed into that. Small changes could make enormous differences. All is not lost.  But thats just me :)

Your answer here puzzles me....."As for living in the woods...  Would this include unlimited access to energy or not?  I would be quite happy if it did.  I would be struggling and energy-deficient if not.

I mean no "unlimited access to power or other niceties. I need to tell you that you would work every moment of the daylight hours to provide for yourself. If you were not hunting or fishing or tending your garden and your animals you would be cutting wood for the winter that comes too quickly... so who is " freer" that woman in the log cabin.... or the lady who works eight hours, stops at the market, buys food, comes home, flips on the lights and the new tv and settles down for an evening at home?  Its worth thinking a little bit about.

And Dave is absolutely right....
Fearing to speak will be the end of us all, just as speaking aloud will be our salvation.

Me.... I would take the cabin..... and probably go silent.... but the time for that is not now...  Linda
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on February 03, 2012, 02:26:13 pm
Thank You, Dave, for Your comments and "bipartisan" support.  [smile]

Linda, I contend that removing the need for money will, in the end, remove Us from materialistic concerns.  Because of the profit motive, We are sold the idea that We "need" the status symbol of a car or a house or whatever.  Without profit as a motive, honest information will flow, We will see no efforts to sell anything, and We will not be so focused (or pushed to focus) on the material.

I am quite the optimist, but I also acknowledge the evidence of Those in this world who would control Humanity to Their own evil ends.  The fact that there was no hew and cry in the media (MSM) of the NDAA being unconstitutional - as clearly unconstitutional as any legislation I have ever seen - is but one small clue of the power They wield.  And shows too clearly the path They are trying to drag the rest of Us on.

They "boil the frog."  Step by step, They try to add more and more control to Their power.  SOPA failed only because They overestimated the degree of power They presently hold.  Of course, They will take it more slowly now and in the end - if We are not successful in wresting power from Them through the spread of information about overunity - They will control the Interweb, and conversations like this will be gone.

I asked the question about living in the woods with/without abundant energy because it wasn't clear whether such energy was an option.  In Your answer, You propose the primitive scenario.  I agree that if I was thrust back to such primitive an existence, I would spend My Human energy on survival.

If I could have the energy and the appliances and all those comforts We now have, I would be deliriously happy.  I could survive and still have Human energy left over to read, write, create art, create games, play and so forth.

You are right in saying One does not have to work at a job One hates...  But when there are no jobs available doing what One loves, the choice becomes not doing the job One hates and choosing homelessness, hunger and abject poverty.  And perhaps I should include jobs that, if not hated, are merely means to the end of putting food on the table, spending One's Human energy/time on this planet not in bliss, but cranking out product to enrich the few.  So many dreams die in this process.  I would give All the chance to do what truly makes Them happy.  It has high value to Consciousness.

I would point out that, though children will have more fun with a box something came in than with the item itself, for all those many children who live each day with hunger and disease, receiving something in a box would be a miracle, and in starving and sickness little fun is had at all.

Though money is not the only power in the world, it far outstrips others - except the power of information.  That is why Jay Rockefeller said that the most dangerous thing to Their plans is the Interweb.  And to be sure, money is being spent to clamp control onto any information sharing available.

Remove money and information will flow freely.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on April 19, 2012, 12:46:58 pm
Amy... I had to take a moment to read over your material here.... and I notice that your vision of the 'Electrogravitic" technology is a little black box that could be " plugged in"  Available to everyone.... just plug in....households? Campers even.... just plug in your little black box.  Its my dream to have a pumping station for fresh water that could be just " plugged in" and walked away from... never having to worry about breakdowns or maintenance.

I have a very simple question for you which needs answering.  Who is going to build the first one?

You assume here that when " electro-gravitics" went black that it took the possibility of " the black box with it"..... Do you think that .... despite all of your heartfelt petitions... do you think that there is a possibility that they would release their own particular version of " black boxes?"  First of all.... you assume that the Government has this technology. What makes you think that? Just because something disappears from view it does not automatically mean that Governments are at the heart or control of that move.

Just think what it would mean..... we could IMMEADIATELY tell alot of the oil producing countries.... thank you very much...we are not interested any more in your product or in messing with your soverignty.... our men do not need to be there........ since its no skin off our nose.... here are a few thousand " little black boxes" for your countrymen.

If the "government" ( ANY Government) had this ability I just have no idea why they would not have already started showing it.... or .... have they????

Consider that there is something else here that you haven't seen.... something worth protecting.... that you don't know about yet.... because if there WASN't it makes no sense that this technology would not have already blossomed.  We have since the 50s known about it, right?

 And saying that " greedy men" have kept a lid on this just will not wash through the first cycle. " Greedy men" will see all kinds of other ways to enrich themselves.....and just as many would push the technology as try to hide it.

I submit that there is something else going on here. Something BIG and so far undisclosed.  WHAT and Why?

Linda
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 02:03:55 pm
Amy... I had to take a moment to read over your material here.... and I notice that your vision of the 'Electrogravitic" technology is a little black box that could be " plugged in"  Available to everyone.... just plug in....households? Campers even.... just plug in your little black box.  Its my dream to have a pumping station for fresh water that could be just " plugged in" and walked away from... never having to worry about breakdowns or maintenance.

I had visions of Dean Kamen's water purification device connected to free energy...  Clean water anywhere there is water at all.

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I have a very simple question for you which needs answering.  Who is going to build the first one?

I have no clue, but I can assure You that when free energy makes its debut in the world at large, SOME company(ies) will realize They can make rump-loads of money in the short term.  And We could even move to have government subsidy of such development...  The pivotal moment will be that revealing.

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You assume here that when " electro-gravitics" went black that it took the possibility of " the black box with it"..... Do you think that .... despite all of your heartfelt petitions... do you think that there is a possibility that they would release their own particular version of " black boxes?"  First of all.... you assume that the Government has this technology. What makes you think that? Just because something disappears from view it does not automatically mean that Governments are at the heart or control of that move.

I presume They have this tech because My father told Me They (He and Others) succeeded in obtaining overunity.  It would seem to Me that They would further that end of the tech so as to provide energy for black projects with no utility trail to Their doings.  And surely SOME part of the government is (or was) in control - elsewise, who would have the power to make it secret?  It is (or was) most likely the military.  And now may be DHS or some such.  Point is...  It's SOMEWHERE in the governmental labyrinth.

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Just think what it would mean..... we could IMMEADIATELY tell alot of the oil producing countries.... thank you very much...we are not interested any more in your product or in messing with your soverignty.... our men do not need to be there........ since its no skin off our nose.... here are a few thousand " little black boxes" for your countrymen.

Sure, We could.  And more or less that's what We're likely to do.  But I think it will be a little more gradual a thing, simply because We have cars that run on petro-fuel, and it will be a while to retrofit and/or build new cars.

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If the "government" ( ANY Government) had this ability I just have no idea why they would not have already started showing it.... or .... have they????

Because all the countries that have it are controlled by the Bankers (money changers) who are VERY keen to keep money control of Us.  They will NOT let it out in the public unless enough of Us are aware and demand it.

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Consider that there is something else here that you haven't seen.... something worth protecting.... that you don't know about yet.... because if there WASN't it makes no sense that this technology would not have already blossomed.  We have since the 50s known about it, right?

What most is worth protecting, I think, is the money system itself.  No.  I think the tech has been suppressed (and every other overunity tech) specifically to protect the money system.  They don't want to lose Their power over Us because it ends Their plans, Agenda 21 comes to mind, which have been in the works for decades, if not generations.  As the CFR itself has said that all money is is a representation of meaningful energy expended...THEY know what free energy will do to Their control They enjoy though the money system.

Sure, They may have evil advances, but that tech does not need to be revealed.  Just the overunity.

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And saying that " greedy men" have kept a lid on this just will not wash through the first cycle. " Greedy men" will see all kinds of other ways to enrich themselves.....and just as many would push the technology as try to hide it.

Except...  If One is greedy AND understands that intimate link between money and energy, One will NOT go for the short-term profit, only to lose any advantage One has when the need for money dissipates in the longer run.

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I submit that there is something else going on here. Something BIG and so far undisclosed.  WHAT and Why?

And I submit the BIGGEST threat to Their control over Us is free energy.  As I said, They may also hide devastating tech - stuff that would take out solar systems, even - but that is not why They hide free energy.  They hide it because it would end the plans for a New World Order, with most of Us dead and the rest enslaved and completely controlled.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: hobbit on April 19, 2012, 02:20:29 pm
Amatarasu,

There is no "ENERGY"
There is resistance.
With boundless respect.....
Think of what it is You desire???????
You have been indoctrinated to think in terms of energy.
NOBODY can find it.....thats because it doesn't exist.


This thinking locks You into a control box, which they have the key to.


Your "ENERGY" is explosive.
I suspect that which You desire is implosive.
It is therefore not "ENERGY"
The fault is in the difference between creation and anihilation.
Both operate by means of transmutation.
Present energy destroys creation, explodes past creation, it's the wrong way around.

That which You desire is implosion, and luckily it out numbers explosion.

hobbit
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 05:18:42 pm
Amatarasu,

There is no "ENERGY"
There is resistance.
With boundless respect.....
Think of what it is You desire???????
You have been indoctrinated to think in terms of energy.
NOBODY can find it.....thats because it doesn't exist.


This thinking locks You into a control box, which they have the key to.


Your "ENERGY" is explosive.
I suspect that which You desire is implosive.
It is therefore not "ENERGY"
The fault is in the difference between creation and anihilation.
Both operate by means of transmutation.
Present energy destroys creation, explodes past creation, it's the wrong way around.

That which You desire is implosion, and luckily it out numbers explosion.

hobbit

[smile]  I am sure You are right.  However...  In the sense of economic expression, energy = meaningful work ("meaningful energy expended") = money.  Whatever name You want to choose - free work, free energy, free money...  When arguing One's case, it is best to speak in the most generally accepted semantics.  This lends itself to the highest probability of passing on the information that is really important:  We can eliminate the need for money.

Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on April 19, 2012, 05:51:34 pm
I know that I must be really dense when it comes to all of this and I have tried to get my mind around your concept of " no money" equals.... freedom somehow?

To me money has always just been simply a method of exchange. In the south pacific they exchanged shells. And bartered. It just made it simpler. to handle full shells instead of ten big pigs? Right? x number of shells got you x number of pigs. You didn't have to drag the things around with you..... and any time you needed a pig.... you collected your shells and " bought " him.  So what is bad about that?

Somehow you seem to equate "money" with all of the evil in the world and I am not sure I see that either.

I know that you have spent alot of time at this....so I respect your thoughts here enormously. I just am not sure the I can make the connections that you do.

 Now you say NO money will make things simpler but... try as I might... I am still having a hard time with this.
With no "money"..... how do you exchange for that pig? Somebody has alot of time and energy into raising that pig... he can't do it all himself :-\ ( pigs are smart but thats asking alot!).... so what kind of exchange are you planning on using INSTEAD of "money?"  My problem is that I am looking at an economic exchange system that has worked for centuries.... what is it exactly that makes it manditory to get " rid " of it? Now I admit the modern financial institutions leave me baffled so maybe your discomfort comes from that more modern version?

The way " cards" are taking over the use of currency is fast disappearing anyway. My husband was complaining about how nobody seems to have "change" anymore. He used to empty his pockets at the end of the day and save all of the loose coins.... well, with the use of debit cards.... the change is disappearing too. Going to take him forever to fill up that yearly cash can that he has going!

Are you talking about a sort of advanced bartering system? I could see with computers.... that could actually work.... In fact I just bartered a little Yorkie pup for some construction material and a weeks work of work from a wondrous carpenter. It was lucky that his wife had always wanted a Yorkie.... so that worked THIS time but I wouldn't want to have to count on that .... him wanting the pup and us needing the work... its just not always that neat!

Can you break your system down to that point.... how does a farmer get paid for that pig? I am sure that you have thought that through and somehow I have just been missing it.   Thanks Amy.   Linda
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 07:36:30 pm
I know that I must be really dense when it comes to all of this and I have tried to get my mind around your concept of " no money" equals.... freedom somehow?

To me money has always just been simply a method of exchange. In the south pacific they exchanged shells. And bartered. It just made it simpler. to handle full shells instead of ten big pigs? Right? x number of shells got you x number of pigs. You didn't have to drag the things around with you..... and any time you needed a pig.... you collected your shells and " bought " him.  So what is bad about that?

Somehow you seem to equate "money" with all of the evil in the world and I am not sure I see that either.

I know that you have spent alot of time at this....so I respect your thoughts here enormously. I just am not sure the I can make the connections that you do.

 Now you say NO money will make things simpler but... try as I might... I am still having a hard time with this.
With no "money"..... how do you exchange for that pig? Somebody has alot of time and energy into raising that pig... he can't do it all himself :-\ ( pigs are smart but thats asking alot!).... so what kind of exchange are you planning on using INSTEAD of "money?"  My problem is that I am looking at an economic exchange system that has worked for centuries.... what is it exactly that makes it manditory to get " rid " of it? Now I admit the modern financial institutions leave me baffled so maybe your discomfort comes from that more modern version?

The way " cards" are taking over the use of currency is fast disappearing anyway. My husband was complaining about how nobody seems to have "change" anymore. He used to empty his pockets at the end of the day and save all of the loose coins.... well, with the use of debit cards.... the change is disappearing too. Going to take him forever to fill up that yearly cash can that he has going!

Are you talking about a sort of advanced bartering system? I could see with computers.... that could actually work.... In fact I just bartered a little Yorkie pup for some construction material and a weeks work of work from a wondrous carpenter. It was lucky that his wife had always wanted a Yorkie.... so that worked THIS time but I wouldn't want to have to count on that .... him wanting the pup and us needing the work... its just not always that neat!

Can you break your system down to that point.... how does a farmer get paid for that pig? I am sure that you have thought that through and somehow I have just been missing it.   Thanks Amy.   Linda

Linda...  I read You book.  Perhaps You can read mine? 

Mine's free.  [smile]  http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/aad67f70b7b43ddc.pdf

If You had a hot dog cart and the energy to run it was free, and a robot tended it, and robots run on free energy did all the farming to feed the pigs which were tended by robots run on free energy and processed into hot dogs by robots run on free energy and delivered by robots run on free energy...  Where is the cost?  How much would You charge for these hot dogs?  You paid nothing for the energy in the production line, nor for the labor in the production line...  The seeds that were farmed were freely given by nature...so are the pigs, for that matter.  The planet sits under Us freely for seeds to go into.

So...  You paid nothing for these hot dogs, it costs You zero to run the stand.  (And We could go into the stand costing nothing, too, through robot miners for the metals, smelting, shaping, etc...).  So why would You need to charge for the hot dogs?

Now, Let's say a friend of Yours LOVES to make specialty hot dogs - Her own "secret recipe" of spices.  She can get Her meat free, Her spices free, Her cooking heat free, Her pots and pans and whatever else for free.  And, because She doesn't HAVE to spend 8 or more hours pursuing Her slave's compensation for Her Human energy, She has time and energy of Her own to devote to making Her signature hot dogs.

So She makes Her hot dogs and You, who don't have to "mind the store," are hanging out while She is in Her bliss, making Her dogs.  You say, "Hey.  Those smell damn good.  Better than what I have at the hot dog stand!  If You have any extra, can I distribute them at My cart?"

She smiles in delight.  "Of course.  I always have a lot and You can have what You want!  Thank You for the compliment!"

So You have a robot pack up Her dogs and take them to the cart.  You also have a sign made up saying, "NOW!  Dogs by Delilah!"  And soon, Delilah is blissfully making Her dogs, and Your cart has gained the reputation of being the best on the block.  Your cart is written up in a number of blogs, and demand for the dogs - HUMAN made - grows.  Soon, reservations are required to get the dogs, because Delilah does not want to make THAT many dogs.  All this can be handled via net and computer.

So...  You gain reputation for having a popular hot dog cart, Delilah has reputation for making dogs, and neither of You have traded, bartered, exchanged work, exchanged coin, bills, checks or electronic funds (money).

But You are both very rich in social standing.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Littleenki on April 19, 2012, 07:57:28 pm
Yes, Linda, you must read Amy's book the Abundance Paradigm, it's a wonderful work of art from a wonderfully thoughtful person, youll love it!
It will answer a lot of those questions for you, too. 8o)
Littleenki
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on April 19, 2012, 09:02:17 pm
Yes, I promise to read it Amy. Thanks for your hot dog story. It took alot to put that out there. I guess that I am just having a hard time seeing how we all can eventually get to the point in your world where you have robots doing everything..and are depending on electrogravitics somehow to power all of this....... and everyone can benefit from it all without having any downsides to anything. Perhaps I worry too much about " downsides!". I will get back to you once I have read it completely. Linda
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 09:07:07 pm
Ahhhh.  I posted this in another thread, but I will post it here again:

So the Plan is to:

1)  Raise awareness that this technology exists so that We can -

2)  Call for the release of the overunity technology to -

3)  Remove the cost of energy in manufacturing, transportation, agriculture, homes, & misc. so -

4)  The cost of building robots to do the necessary jobs no One wants to do becomes affordable so -

5)  We can relieve Ourselves of undesired toil, being supported easily at this point on social services since -

6)  Money will become unnecessary when the effort to collect the penny for the week's groceries (the room full of furniture, the house, the [fill in the blank]) is more than the penny is worth

By abundantly replacing the money with what it represents (meaningful energy expended), the need for money dissipates and there is no motive to promote consumerism.  There is no motive to solve issues the cheapest or most profitable way.  There is no motive to steal - if One wants it, another can be had for the asking on the web. There is no motive to defraud.  There is no motive to silence discoveries.  There is no motive to hide cures.  There is no motive to do what does not give One bliss.

There WILL be motive to better the world - Those who contribute will earn appreciation, thanks, gratitude, name recognition and Self satisfaction.  Instill a Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" (a slave's ethic - enrich others with One's Human energy).

"From Each according to BLISS; to Each according to DESIRE."
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Linda Brown on April 19, 2012, 09:31:13 pm
Ah... Maybe thats where my problem is.... I am stuck on step one!!!!!
And my energy level is such... that I think I probably am going to leave all of the other steps to other younger folks.

" Raise awareness that this technology exists so that We can -

2)  Call for the release of the overunity technology to -"

I am still wallowing about in the problem of getting people to accept that it DOES exist....calling for the release of " electrogravitic technology? I am not even sure at this point that I want to see it released to the public.

So right there I kind of hit a brick wall until I can get that resolved in my head. I mentioned that there might be drawbacks to all of this but this is not something that you seem particularly concerned with AMY... entirely your right to decide that somehow it will all be dealt with successfully.... but it bothers me. I want to be sure that we are not opening the biggest Pandoras box ever imagined.

I hope that you are right and all of the other steps can fall happily into place!  Linda

But nothing will happen until the technology can be used consistantly by folks who are not controlled by the military. Asking them to " release it" just is not going to happen in my opinion.

So I am sorry. I must seem a terrible anchor to you... but I can not consider steps  from three forward until we get steps one and two dealt with.....  Linda



Linda
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on April 19, 2012, 09:46:49 pm
Ah... Maybe thats where my problem is.... I am stuck on step one!!!!!
And my energy level is such... that I think I probably am going to leave all of the other steps to other younger folks.

" Raise awareness that this technology exists so that We can -

2)  Call for the release of the overunity technology to -"

I am still wallowing about in the problem of getting people to accept that it DOES exist....calling for the release of " electrogravitic technology? I am not even sure at this point that I want to see it released to the public.

So right there I kind of hit a brick wall until I can get that resolved in my head. I mentioned that there might be drawbacks to all of this but this is not something that you seem particularly concerned with AMY... entirely your right to decide that somehow it will all be dealt with successfully.... but it bothers me. I want to be sure that we are not opening the biggest Pandoras box ever imagined.

I hope that you are right and all of the other steps can fall happily into place!  Linda

But nothing will happen until the technology can be used consistantly by folks who are not controlled by the military. Asking them to " release it" just is not going to happen in my opinion.

So I am sorry. I must seem a terrible anchor to you... but I can not consider steps  from three forward until we get steps one and two dealt with.....  Linda



Linda

[smile]  One of the reasons I included the Laws, the Betterment Ethic, and so on was to seed the memescape with a vision.  So that when the tech DOES come out, when We have reached the tipping point, We will have the map in place.

I don't really expect the petition itself to do any good in swaying those who presently control the tech.  It is there to raise awareness, seed a vision, give a feeling of doing something, promote a sense of "kindredship," offer a means (link) for Others to join in spreading awareness, a means to contact the signatories to remind Them and suggest action...

What I DO expect is reaching the tipping point.  Once the tipping point is reached, I will see the awareness and the demands, and the seeded vision grow to cover the whole planet.  And THEN the tech will be forthcoming.  The toadies will have the vision.  Some of the top will also catch the "bug."  What percentage is anyOne's guess...  It WILL come out.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 08:32:15 pm
Here's some more links:

http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE24.html

PDF's Electrogravitics:

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA227121
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf
http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/PDFbin/Biefeld-Brown%20Effect.pdf
http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/files/ElectrograviticsElectrokineticsValone.pdf
http://www.integrityresearchinstitute.org/Loder.PDF
http://users.teilar.gr/~a.a.nass/files/C6.pdf
http://www.checktheevidence.com/pdf/The%20Case%20for%20AntiGravity-booklet.pdf
http://www.ostfalia.de/export/sites/default/de/pws/turtur/NeuesVerzeichnis/Film_englisch.pdf


YouTube Electrogravitics:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=490XJk053TY [/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93rsfqwGfOs [/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyZFDbyxoXM[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZy64BeQNo[/youtube]

And a demonstration of discs encased in resin to eliminate the "ion wind" effect:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUUq2RnnoG8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NePm5RUhP8[/youtube]
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Littleenki on June 28, 2012, 09:19:08 pm
Good selsction of clips there, Amy!

Everyone seems to build the double disc device more than lifters when they are serious about seeing the BB Effect, dont they?

I like the one in resin, especially, good material engineering there!

I really have to wonder what the reaction would be with some of these devices using 100kv or more though, and thats a really high voltage for someone to work with in a typical workshop.

As some have said, Puthoff in particular, its all about using much higher HV.

He may have been right. Anyone out there have a PS capable of more than 40kv?

Not me!

Tromprenard?

Le
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 10:06:55 pm
Actually, Dave, I waded through a slough of lifter footage to find those.  I rejected every lifter - except the one in the vacuum.  That was important.  MOST of the footage out there is of lifters.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Littleenki on June 28, 2012, 10:26:55 pm
Goodness, Amy is there a person who hasnt built a lifter on youtube?LOL!

I find the discs so much more convincing, though, as there's some real engineering in some of them!

What I see is so many weak systems or devices, with not much more than emulation of Dr Brown...but no real improvement.

I wish I had been in Hawaii that day!

The day someone builds a disc which spins an alternator,which in turn runs the HVPS, thats when we can move forward, but place any kind of load on any of those disc devices, and the whole thing goes to he!!.

A mechanical Eg tank circuit? Sort of. Call Tom Bearden!

Somebody's gonna have to slap together a 100kv+ PS to make the step needed to exemplify how effective EG can be.

Luke, are you listening? After that cellar video, I think you might have one or two laying around down there!

Le
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 10:34:51 pm
I think the problem, Dave, is that no One has much access to those non-linear, high K dielectrics.  The dielectrics They use may be non-linear, but relatively low K.  Maybe 500-1000 - or if They worked at it maybe as much as 6000.  If One could get a dielectric of 30,000 K (I am led to believe they exist) One could make magic happen.

Sadly, I think such materials hide in black ops...
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2012, 01:51:23 am
What I see is so many weak systems or devices, with not much more than emulation of Dr Brown...but no real improvement.

....but no real improvement

Precisely what I have been saying all along.

A guy by the name of John Searle... nice history of how he built a device and when he turned it on it went through the roof of his garage in England and kept on going.


Claims he was hounded by the MoD, built large proto type saucers, a great story.

He moved to the USA is still alive but since that first experiment blasted into orbit, he has not been able to replicate that effect

If you want I can do a great thread on him :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Searl/searl26.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Searl/seg.gif)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Searl/ironseg.jpg)


But in all this tech, were the experimenters have the info,

...but no real improvement
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2012, 01:54:18 am
Somebody's gonna have to slap together a 100kv+ PS to make the step needed to exemplify how effective EG can be.

HE3 levitating fusion confinement unit  LOTS of power in a teeny weeny little box that only needs cardboard shielding

I hear MIT and LLNL and LANL are working on it :D
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2012, 02:06:04 am
The End of Entropy

Entropy has several meanings

1. Symbol S For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work.
2. A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system.
3. A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.
4. The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity.
5. Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.

When I think of Entropy, the one that concerns me is #4

4. The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity.

That is what I meant when I said "In the end, entropy gets us all"

How do you propose to end THAT entropy?

 8)

Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on June 29, 2012, 02:58:35 am
It is number 5 I write about, of course.  I am speaking of social entropy.  Rifkin's book was the starting point...  He described the entropy that causes a rise in fascism as efforts to control the social entropy are applied.  Surely We see such fascism encroaching, breathing down Our collective neck, even.

And it's all related to energy use and availability within society.  Remove the strain of energy scarcity, and the social entropy dissipates.

But in fact, even in number four, there is a misrepresentation...  The planets are ordered in defined steps about the sun, the galaxy is an ordered thing.  Even the universe is seen to contain order.  And then there is life itself, which is highly negentropic, overall, if not persistent in individual units.  There is more a balance between entropy and negentropy in the universe.  It does not all tend towards decay.

And science is verging on ending that decay of individual Conscious Beings...  I am not the scientist (except in social engineering), so I will end THAT entropy by being patient and waiting for the scientists  who are in that field to succeed.  [smile]

And I know They will.  Spidy sense comes on strong for that.  (And if We can end social entropy, especially as I describe, that science will be available to ALL of Us, and not some Self-proclaimed "elite" by virtue of luck in encountering money.)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: variance on September 20, 2012, 07:42:40 am
i have definitely noticed that when i even mention the possibility of free energy i get complete disdain in response.  this alone blows my mind.

any suggestions about ways to speak of free energy n its benefits n have people take me seriously?  i've grown to shy away from speaking on the subject.

tyvm!
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Littleenki on September 20, 2012, 07:47:52 am
i have definitely noticed that when i even mention the possibility of free energy i get complete disdain in response.  this alone blows my mind.

any suggestions about ways to speak of free energy n its benefits n have people take me seriously?  i've grown to shy away from speaking on the subject.

tyvm!
Youre in the right place, Variance...PRC is all ears!
Le
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: variance on September 20, 2012, 08:03:40 am
Youre in the right place, Variance...PRC is all ears!
Le
ok, tyvm!
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: variance on September 20, 2012, 08:15:11 am
ok, tyvm!
what r some good ways to approach others (not including prc folk) about this topic, ya know like my neighbor, etc.

i was at the park recently and had lap top open w my ufo/etv wallpaper visible n wow! people were slyly gathering round to get a look at my wallpaper.

but..... not one person dared to ask me about my wallpaper!  i can't even imagine what would have happened if i mentioned free energy.  it feels like i'm stuck in a box sometimes.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Littleenki on September 20, 2012, 08:48:18 am
I feel your pain, Variance!

People like the word free, but attach it to energy and they usually think of you as a quack due to their indoctrination by the system.

What I do if someones truly interested is try to explain to them that nothing is free, and it will take dollars aplenty to get this energy out of nature, but once it is up and running, it will be much cheaper than anything weve ever had before.

Then I show them some things online which are more science based and viable in the short term like hydroelectric vortex tech, or various battery technologies like the joule thief and such.

For the new mind to this...too much will shut it down..as with anything amazing and grohndbreakng lkke free energy, baby steps are paramount to sharing without scaring.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: variance on September 20, 2012, 08:54:47 am
I feel your pain, Variance!

People like the word free, but attach it to energy and they usually think of you as a quack due to their indoctrination by the system.

What I do if someones truly interested is try to explain to them that nothing is free, and it will take dollars aplenty to get this energy out of nature, but once it is up and running, it will be much cheaper than anything weve ever had before.

Then I show them some things online which are more science based and viable in the short term like hydroelectric vortex tech, or various battery technologies like the joule thief and such.

For the new mind to this...too much will shut it down..as with anything amazing and grohndbreakng lkke free energy, baby steps are paramount to sharing without scaring.

Cheers!
k, tyvm.  will try it out.  gonna check out the topics u mentioned due to my limited knowledge.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on January 27, 2013, 01:58:06 pm
A bump, to keep it in Consciousness.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: 1Worldwatcher on January 27, 2013, 07:44:37 pm
A bump, to keep it in Consciousness.

I agree Amy, Entropy is a very important roll with in alternative fuel understanding. It weren't for inquisitive scientific acknowledgement of how vital this discovery can be, and with it's implications with in thermaldynamics field,  we have missed very important information of how things work with in the nature of just being or existing in one state creating energy as it goes too another state and the implications there in of what is happening.
It was initially discovered by a gentleman named Rudolf Clausius in 1865, so with it's long life and research behind it as a potential science for furthering our available technology applications, there should be much more to have as answers as we progress forward. Variable thermal dynamics will always play a big part in our understanding of stresses, applications and real world scenario relevance's.
Good bump Amy, does deserve to be kept alive.

1WW
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on January 28, 2013, 04:57:24 pm
Well, of course, I am addressing social entropy.  But You're right.  [smile]
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: petrus4 on January 29, 2013, 12:06:38 am
And here is where I bring up the “Dark” Energy that is now heralded all over science shows about physics and cosmology.  This energy, which has been called “radiant energy” and “cosmic rays” (Tesla), “orgone” (Wilhelm Reich), “Zero Point Energy,” and many others, is pervading space.  It is within you and within me, around all of us, and is present anywhere we go.  Interestingly, though we are told of this energy (usually as “Dark” Energy), no mainstream media (MSM) outlet has asked the most logical question:  Can we extract this energy in usable form?

The energy has formal names.  The original science (that is, hermetic magick) referred to it as the Aether, which is a Greek word, originally.  The Hindus know it as the Akash.  The only real reason why contemporary science refuses to refer to it as the aether, is because to do so would force them to admit that they have been wrong for over a hundred years.  This is a topic that I can't think about for very long, before the Orcish rage that I feel towards pseudoskeptical atheism begins to manifest.

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The reasons for these occurrences – that the media never ask if we can draw on the Dark Energy, that electrogravitics became highly classified – become clear when we look at the fact that those presently in power would have to give up their power over others (having already power over themselves).  From the perspective of those few, they would “lose.”

It isn't just the psychopaths.  It's also their second-tier gatekeepers; all the pseudoskeptical vermin like Dawkins and the Wikipedia demographic, who refuse to acknowledge that they believe in a fundamentally delusional model of reality.  They're reality's answer to the Agents, from the Matrix films.  In intellectual/ideological terms, people like Dawkins play the same role.  They are enforcers.

I'm the same in a lot of ways, if I'm honest.  I'm not like you, Amy, or PlaysWithMachines.  PWM is a gentle, unassuming, positive guy who does what his username says.  You are positive, loving, and express a desire for us all to forgive each other and move forward, Amy.  I, on the other hand, am angry; at least where this topic is concerned.

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If we insist that all farming be organic – in its true sense, and not some trumped up legal definition – our food will grow ever better.

The definition of organic farming must be simply a deliberate human cultivation of what Nature would be doing on its' own anyway, if human intervention did not occur.  That specifically excludes genetic engineering, seed patenting, and the various other abominations that the psychopaths have devised, specifically for the purposes of rendering the planet infertile and murdering 95% of us.

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If we insist that mining is done with a conscious awareness for retaining beauty and structure, our impact will be small and repairable.

From an alchemical perspective, mining is an obsolete, abusive, primitive form of barbarism.  We can already synthesise gold, if not yet in quantity; we can and will learn to synthesise the other metals as well.

Perhaps his most dramatic finds are the biospeleothems.  Brewer-Carias coined this term himself to describe the coral-like silicate creatures he found growing in the quartzite caves of the tepuis.  The importance of this discovery is not lost on him, and his voice drops to a dramatic hush when he speaks of them.  They are unlike any life form known, and scientists say that they could be over a million years old, making biospeleothems the oldest living organisms on the planet.  Brewer-Carias describes their discovery as “a kind of magic,” something that has never before been known by mankind. Just 5 years ago, Charles Brewer-Carias was able to pinpoint a river that emerged from a cave while he was in one of his helicopter rides over the jungle. He came back with a group to explore the cave. The cave turned out to be the world’s largest quartzite cave. Because of this, it was named in honor of Dr. Charles.

The cave measured more than four and a half km. It runs through a river with forty-meter high chambers. Brewer-Carias together with his team tried to search for new species there and found out that there were rare scorpions, amphibious crickets and biospeleothem (or odd mineral deposits).

A Biospeleothem is a word derived from the Greek words bios, meaning life and speleothem, meaning cave deposit. It is said to be a life form made up wholly of minerals. It can survive even when water and light is lacking. Because of this, a biospeleothem is considered an extremophile. The species is able to live under conditions that are extremely hostile. Biospeleothem is a term not interchangeable with that of stalactites and stalagmites. This is because biospelothems are not created through drippings of soluble calcium compounds from the cave roof. Instead, they grow outward just like trees grow; they form rings that are concentric.

-- Charles Brewer, Steampunk Naturalist (http://www.steampunknaturalist.com/charles-brewer.html) (Emphasis mine)

Nature is an inexhaustible storehouse of riches; the supply will never run short. Original substance is alive with creative energy, and is constantly producing more forms. When the supply of building material is exhausted, more will be produced. When the soil is exhausted so that food stuffs and materials for clothing will no longer grow upon it, it will be renewed or more soil will be made. When all the gold and silver has been dug from the earth, if humanity is still in such a stage of social development that it needs gold and silver, more will produced.
-- Wallace Wattles, The Science of Getting Rich

Metals have always been recognized by the alchemists as living, breathing substances, each one having as its component parts Mercury, Sulphur, and Salt, the difference in the consistency and characteristics of the metal being due to the proportion of these three principles one to the other.

...

To illustrate my meaning in regard to the Seed of the Species, I quote the following from 'Ether and Reality,' by Sir Oliver Lodge (Messrs. Hodder & Stoughton):

'Matter exists not only in the organic forms of solids, liquids and gases and in the disintegrated forms of electrons and protons, it exists also as the complex molecules known as protoplasm, which for some reason or other has shewn itself to be the vehicle of life. Some forms of matter are endowed with or animated by life. This property of animation is a great mystery; we do not know what Life is, we only see what it can do. We perceive that it can enter into relation with matter, that it has a character and identity of its own, and that it builds up matter to correspond with or to represent identity. Life can take a variety of forms, and every form is characterized by a certain shape; the life of an oak is transmitted to an oak, the life of an elm to an elm. "To every seed his own body." One form of life takes the shape of a bud, another of a fish, another of a quadruped. The varieties of life are innumerable, and are studied in the great science of biology.

'Consider any piece of matter. . . . Contemplate any solid object; a vase, it may be, or a jewel, or a statue; what is it that holds the atoms together in that particular shape? If the atoms were not connected they would be moving about at random, like the atoms of a gas; but they are connected, crystallized as it were, together by the forces of cohesion. Even in a liquid they are held together into a body of definite size, though not a definite shape; a liquid has size though not shape; a gas has neither; a solid has both. The shape is most definite and law-abiding in a crystal; but in a plant or animal it has a definite character too--not so definite as in a crystal, a good deal of variety is possible, yet an animal or vegetable body has an undoubted character of its own, even to minute detail. And this character is handed down from one generation to another, modified perhaps, but only slowly, by the age-long process of Evolution.'

This extract from Sir Oliver Lodge I have quoted in full, for in the words 'to every seed his own body' lies the whole doctrine of alchemy, which has recognized a metallic seed peculiar to all metals.

-- Alchemy Rediscovered and Restored (http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/arr/arr12.htm)

Rife Proved That Everything Is Alive

     The degree of smallness to which Rife's microscope would resolve, and the extraordinary energy forms it could detect, showed that direct detection of the virtual state organization of the living organism was accomplished by the instrument.
     The science of the day was only just groping its way toward any sort of physics that could explain such an astounding instrumental result. Today, however, in the hard-core literature there is demonstrated proof that the optical limit of resolution can be drastically overcome, using evanescent waves.*

*E.g., see T. Sato et al, "Application of evanescent waves to microscopic observation," Bull. Tokyo Inst. Technol. (Japan), No.125, 1974. p. 35-41. See also G.A. Massey, "Microscopy and pattern generation with scanned evanescent waves," Appl. Opt. (Poland), 13(3),1983. p. 247-255.

      Shortly we will briefly give an "ad hoc" explanation of such evanescent waves.
      Electromagnetism has been shown by Kaluza-Klein theory to actually exist in the fifth dimension. In other words, EM itself is hyperdimensional. It flows in the fifth dimension, which is "wrapped around" each point in our ordinary space. It is—to the first approximation—the external environment of every normal point in our 3-space.
      Let's say that again.
      The electromagnetics "medium" itself is totally external to each point in our space. Each of our points is surrounded in higher space by the electromagnetic medium.
      We live inside a totally electromagnetic medium. It's not just an "electromagnetic environment" in our own space; instead, it's an electromagnetic environment in hyperspace.

      Everything already is just the internal structure of the electromagnetic medium!

     That's what the "vacuum" is.
     That's what "spacetime" is.
     That's what the "virtual state" is.
     That's what physical matter is.

     And it's all alive. Totally and completely alive. Everything is alive. There is nothing but life. The electromagnetic medium is alive.

-- Tom Bearden, AIDS - Biological Warfare (http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/index.html).
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on January 29, 2013, 12:36:37 pm
Thank You for Your thoughtful post, Petrus.

Don't think I am not angry - there is a fury that burns deep in My psyche that I (We) have been robbed of the beautiful future My father painted for Me because of His work.  It is what drives Me.

I just can't see any advantage to going after Those who now move to assert Their control on this planet.  The best revenge is living well...  And We ALL could live well on this planet.  Take Their means of control (money/power/energy) from Them and live well...and that is a far better revenge than any other I can concoct.

As for everything being alive...  Absolutely.  I have been ALL, and know that ALL is Consciousness at some level of awareness.  All is indeed life.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 10:30:23 am
We're awake, Amy 8)

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The only real reason why contemporary science refuses to refer to it as the aether, is because to do so would force them to admit that they have been wrong for over a hundred years.
Right, but call it a 'higgs-boson field' and everything is fine again :P
They are re-inventing the wheel at CERN it seems ::)

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This is a topic that I can't think about for very long, before the Orcish rage that I feel towards pseudoskeptical atheism begins to manifest.

Me too, but many years of debating on the Tube & Another Troll Site has honed my dry humour to a fine point 8)

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PWM is a gentle, unassuming, positive guy
:-*
Why THANK you, a BIG hug for that, i'm sure i don't deserve it, i'm quite a bar-steward sometimes ;)

I CAN be highly agressive, even in a debate, it's happened before on the Tube (let's face it a 3-ring circus with no rules) but i have learned to supress these feeelings, turn them into something useful.
It is my anger that drives me to do this. To try & motivate people, and from a tech perspective show them how technology works.
Not only everyday household stuff but also the 'taboo' subjects.
'Black box technology, but without the box' LOL

I would never have even been on the net, but some of those dumb comments & assumptions about science p***ed me off so much i logged on then & there. I still have enemies on the tube, but a lot of freinds as well ;)

Farming should indeed be 'organic' & not artificial Monsanto seeds ;)

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They are unlike any life form known, and scientists say that they could be over a million years old, making biospeleothems the oldest living organisms on the planet.

I thought that there were 3 elements that could be considered as a basis for life;

Carbon, of which we and 99.9% of life on Earth are based on.

Silicon, which it seems is represented here (fascinating BTW)

Chlorine....???....No known chlorine-based lifeform will be found on this planet at least, i would think ;)

Rife, interesting...Lodge, got some books of his, i'll have to flip through them...hmmm....
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   The electromagnetics "medium" itself is totally external to each point in our space. Each of our points is surrounded in higher space by the electromagnetic medium.

Yes, that does appear to be the case :)

Petrus, i just transmuted some gold for that awesome post, and for throwing Bearden in there too ;)

Amy;
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Take Their means of control (money/power/energy) from Them and live well...and that is a far better revenge than any other I can concoct.

A far better revenge, for that means we can live without them and that scares the hell out of them!

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ALL is Consciousness at some level of awareness.
Kind of like Gaia? I can dig that :), Buddhists say the same kind of thing, that ALL is life, not just the biological things that move about..
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on January 30, 2013, 10:55:57 am
Indeed, Luke.  We CAN live without Them, putting Them at the same level We are as We rise towards Theirs.

As for Gaia...  Since Consciousness seems to express as electromagnetogravitic variance, it is not inconceivable that Our planet is aware.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 12:18:34 pm
I think it is, in a 'memory field' sense, as hobbit would say.

The problem is, if it ever becomes aware that it would be better off without humans ::) Exactly the scenario i was thinking of in Harrison's 'Deathworld' books. All of a planet's nature, & natural energy, at war with humans.
A really frightening story, if you've never read it.....

It would be much better for us if we became aware of the planet, nature, everything, before it becomes too aware of us.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on January 30, 2013, 12:35:28 pm
Kind of like Gaia? I can dig that :), Buddhists say the same kind of thing, that ALL is life, not just the biological things that move about..


"For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.  - Yoda

 ::)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 12:51:58 pm
Yes, it binds everythig together, it has a light side and a dark side....



"It's gaffer tape, son"


ETA; being serious for a moment, why not?

I believe more in the 'force' than anything else that will satisfy any religious feelings i have....
OK so i can't levitate stuff or open doors by waving fingers at them (would have to make a wavy-finger detector for that) but i do feel....something.
Some field, some kind of awareness.
Fascinating.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on January 30, 2013, 12:54:11 pm
Yeah I have lots of that stuff :D  Its great for everything. Duck tape too :P but that gets sticky

I wonder if it was Yoda that made Apollo 13 take some tape to the moon... :P
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 12:59:32 pm
Sorry i should have re-posted, out of sync again ???

Some people actually believe tech like Velcro & the Microwave is actually alien tech.
Come on, give us poor humans credit for something :)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 01:09:57 pm
Someone sent me a joke, and it went something like this;

An elderly gentleman was sitting by the pier, enjoying the sun, when a brash young student (freshman) walked up to him & said "You old folks sure lived in the stone age, you never had colour TV, mobiles, internet, space shuttles. You must have wasted your life, Me, i'm going places"

There was a moments silence, by which time a small crowd had gathered to hear his reply.

His reply was;
"That's quite right, young man, we never had these things, that is why we invented them.
  Now what are you doing for the next generation, you arrogant little prick?"

There was a thunderous applause.

This is apparently, a true story, pass it on ;)

can i say 'prick' here?

Moral; If it does not exist, invent it!
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on January 30, 2013, 01:32:56 pm
Velcro may be Alien... I think they found that in the Roswell ship that was brought down by human Microwaves :P
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on January 30, 2013, 01:41:32 pm
I believe more in the 'force' than anything else that will satisfy any religious feelings i have....
OK so i can't levitate stuff or open doors by waving fingers at them (would have to make a wavy-finger detector for that) but i do feel....something.
Some field, some kind of awareness.
Fascinating.

The Force is real... you can call it anytrhing you like, even 'God' if that works for you. Why can you not levitate or move that mountain? Jesus said it is faith... Yoda says you need to believe...

I think though that today something else is blocking our ability. In the 50's psychic research was strong and we had people that could do small feats like move objects on a table.

Like Yoda says big or small, there is no difference  If you can move a small object with your mind, you should be able to move a large object.

If you can transmit wireless power to a laptop (the recent MIT work) there is no reason you cannot transmit that same power to run a car or a house.

Once you have the principal the rest is simply a matter of degree/level

I think some outside force is blocking our ability in this time period. I think it started in the Nexus year of 1947.  Is it Alien? or is it our microwave polution that is causing interference?

It has been suggested that microwave radar brought down that Roswell craft. We know cell phones held to the ear will cause brain damage over time, we know a police radar gun held in the lap of a lazy motorcycle cop will fry his gonads and make him sterile (poetic justice :P )

Be that as it may... SOMETHING is preventing us from applying that 'faith' and allowing us to move those mountains
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on January 30, 2013, 02:19:09 pm
Yeah, well, Yoda says a lot of things.
"do or do not, there is no try" is my favourite.
But when i try, & fail, then i can say 'at least i tried' & end up sounding like a complete wimp :)

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I think though that today something else is blocking our ability.

Me too! We went over that a lot in the past.
I still think there are both benevolent & destructive forces at work. The benevolent one is a series of gentle nudges, the other is literally violent shocks.
Of course it goes without saying that each party may use the other's method.
Confused?
I am....

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In the 50's psychic research was strong and we had people that could do small feats like move objects on a table.
There was a kid near us in the 60's ( i guess 5-10 years older than me) who could bend iron bars just by looking at them :o

Uri Geller eat your heart out :P

Never found out what happened to him, he disappeared completely from the press, the public...

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If you can transmit wireless power to a laptop (the recent MIT work) there is no reason you cannot transmit that same power to run a car or a house.

Easy. The problem is doing it without either zapping the cat or upsetting the TV.
A tall order, but J. Romaniwaszco (hope i spelt that right) has been doing fine research in that area.
I invited him here & he logged in briefly...seems to have lost interest, even though i endorse his work & he gives me encouraging replies to personal mails, but never here....
Each to his own i guess.

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It has been suggested that microwave radar brought down that Roswell craft.
Those old Marconi systems used tons of power, hundreds of kilowatts.
It was like getting an echo by throwing sledgehammers in all directions, so i would not rule out THAT theory :)
Newer systems are much more sensitive, use less power, pulses rather than beams etc...

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Be that as it may... SOMETHING is preventing us from applying that 'faith' and allowing us to move those mountains
We covered that in depth with Linda, remember?
In any case, it doesn't seem to affect me much.
I'm still fully cognitive & able to dream up the wierdest s**t :D

Linda once implied that Mikado had been mentally 'got at' to prevent him going further.
And i did experience what can only be called a 'phsychic attack' in what i call the 'nosebleed incident'
But he IS going further, doing his own thing. Good luck to him. But i asked Linda 'why not me as well?'
I think the obvious answer is, i'm too dumb...
But i don't believe that for a second :P

Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Igor on March 16, 2014, 12:01:08 pm
And now for something completely different. This thread has been going on for years and has not had any  new posts for quite a while. I have been meaning to comment on Amy's "dark energy" thesis for years now, so here goes.

Amy, you are quite right, but you don't go far enough in your analysis. The answer to your question regarding the use of dark energy to run our cars is "Yes". But (and you knew I would introduce a BIG "but") there are other sources of "free" energy that are, at the present time, more accessible and practical. I will illustrate with one source that I use every day, as does most of the population of the planet.

For us humans scratching out a living on our Earth, the prime source of virtually all of our energy is, not dark energy, but light energy. Sunlight. Is it free? Yes. Can we use it to run our cars? Yes. And the technology to do so is at hand. Let us get down to some real life situations here.

This time of year in my home town of Los Angeles, it is somewhat chilly in the morning and I roll out of the sack and feel the need to warm up a bit. But instead of flicking the little lever on my thermostat, I wander outside to my garden shed, open the door, pull out a lawn chair and sit in the sun like a lizard. Free solar energy warming my old bones. Maybe later in the day I will do a load of laundry and hang my wash on a closeline strung across my yard. Free solar energy to dry my laundry, precluding the need for an expensive clothes dryer, electricity, and gas.

Can this free sunlight be used in more complex ways? Can I heat up a cup of tea? Yes, I can focus the rays  of the sun with a collimating lens and bring a small amount of water up to an appropriate temperature. But here is  where things are not so "free" any more. I need a suitable lens, I need a vessel to contain the working fluid. My cup of tea has been commodified. "Commodification" is the key word which, for my purposes here, means putting a cash price on the item or procedure. Many free (or cheap) things in life have been commodified.

Can we use sunlight to run our cars? Sure, just get a plug-in electric car and charge it with solar cells. But look at the extent to which your automotive transportation has now been commodified! You would then be using free solar energy at an initial cost of about $40,000 for the hardware.

OK, so you have your little (or perhaps not-so-little) black box to extract dark energy, which is in itself a  commodification. You have to fabricate the black box. The materials have to be scraped from the earth, processed, and shipped to you. Do all that and you have some less-than-free energy. Oh, you might want to use that energy somewhere else? You will need a means of transmitting that energy, or transporting the black box. Further commodification. But you say, the free energy will do all this for itself with no further need to put commodified energy into the system.

Good theory. It should work. But here we are, stuck in a world where commodification is key, greed and exploitation abound, and technology appears not to be able to sustain even the level to which we have ascended. We are now in distress and decent due to the diminishing cheap energy supply.
Some of us are preparing for the near-term problems, some are waiting for the break-through of new energy sources. There are doomers, preppers, frackers, and deniers. But that is another post, another forum, another site.

Amy has probably by now figured out who I am, but for the rest of you, I have degrees in Electrical and  Mechanical engineering from two colleges and one university in Los Angeles. I worked in the aerospace industry and the power utility industry for a total of 30 years. I now live job-free, mortgage-free,  car-free, gasoline-free, and about as de-commodified as I can get. As soon as I post this, I am going outside to sit in the sun for a while and then roll down my hill on my bicycle to fetch a load of groceries to sustain myself for another week. BTW, I built my bicycle mostly from trashed parts and at a cost of less than the bag of groceries I will purchase today.       

 
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on March 16, 2014, 12:39:27 pm
The issues I see with solar energy:

1.  Not available 24/7
2.  Requires storage units
3.  Does not offer gravity control
4.  The storage unit (battery) manufacturing is very polluting

Sure, it is an interim energy source.  But it does not offer the complete freedom that electrogravitics offers.

How're the BSAs?  [smile]
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on March 16, 2014, 12:47:52 pm
For us humans scratching out a living on our Earth, the prime source of virtually all of our energy is, not dark energy, but light energy. Sunlight. Is it free? Yes. Can we use it to run our cars? Yes. And the technology to do so is at hand. Let us get down to some real life situations here.

Many of us here have been trying to wake people up to the use of SUNLIGHT as free energy until more exotic forms are made practical. Governments are subsidizing installations of solar power system. The utilities are ENCOURAGING private people to do so with incentives and even tax breaks. In fact most states have laws in place that the power company MUST BUY any access you produce (albeit at wholesale cost)

There are do-it-yourself kits available for 50.00  You can get these free because all you are really paying for is someone to have put it all together in an easy to follow form (fair game it's only 50.00 for all that work ;) )

I purchased TWO of these programs  and have several times offered them to ANYONE here who is willing to actually do the construction

Solar panels can even be printed on a 3D-Printer

But no one cares :P  They would rather go after the exotics while paying through the nose for power.

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This time of year in my home town of Los Angeles, it is somewhat chilly in the morning and I roll out of the sack and feel the need to warm up a bit. But instead of flicking the little lever on my thermostat, I wander outside to my garden shed, open the door, pull out a lawn chair and sit in the sun like a lizard. Free solar energy warming my old bones.

Doesn't get very cold in Vegas winters but it does get chilly. We DO have a lot of sunlight  too much LOL as it bakes us in the summer. Maybe I need an umbrella over the house :D  But I did put in another FREE ENERGY device that indirectly uses the sunlight . Got this from John Lear's old mine cabin...

(http://hearth.com/gall/d/485-1/round-oak-stove-002.jpg)

Yup sunlight grows the trees and when I trim them I get lots of free energy stored in the back yard :D  Nice and toasty  :D


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Maybe later in the day I will do a load of laundry and hang my wash on a closeline strung across my yard. Free solar energy to dry my laundry, precluding the need for an expensive clothes dryer, electricity, and gas.


And it comes out fresh and clean from the Ozone in the air... more people should do that. The dryer is a real energy hog... using a clothesline if you have the space is awesome. I got my neighbor to start doing it. With the Vegas sun and dry desert air it dry's literally in minutes.

Unfortunately however... many local governments have banned clothelines

Clotheslines Banned in Thousands of U.S. Communities (http://www.care2.com/causes/join-the-fight-to-legalize-clotheslines.html)

Some states have spoken up on that...

19 ‘right to dry’ states outlaw clothesline bans; is yours among them? (http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/20_right_to_dry_states_outlaw_clothesline_bans_is_yours_among_them/)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Gigas on March 16, 2014, 12:53:49 pm
That California cold is actually warm to me cause here in the great white north of Wisconsin we don't feel cold till its like below 32 degree's and even then people dress lightly with coats flapping open in the cool breezes. My thermostat is permanently set at 57 degrees on the coldest days which we have had something like 59 days below zero here.

My thinking is, people have kids and those kids should be put on a tread mill turning generators and that is a problem solved twice. Kids are kept busy and exercised with you having electricity. What are kids good for!

 ;D
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on March 16, 2014, 12:54:20 pm
The issues I see with solar energy:
1.  Not available 24/7

Does not need to be. Most people sleep at night when the sun is down :P My main usage is during the hot daylight hours when I need my AC. It cools down at night so I can turn the AC off. Also if you are at work and running your solar system but not using it... it is sending that power to the grid. End result is your meter runs backwards during the day and you take some back at night. So without a storage system of batteries, you are using the GRID as a 'battery'

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2.  Requires storage units

No it doesn't See above :D

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3.  Does not offer gravity control

Why do you need gravity control for energy usage?

(http://4.  The storage unit (battery) manufacturing is very polluting)

You don't need batteries to use solar to your advantage  Use the GRID as a battery

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Sure, it is an interim energy source.

YES it IS  and the INTERIM is what TAP is lacking. We need solutions for the here and NOW while working towards the future. I do not understand why you are against interim solutions

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But it does not offer the complete freedom that electrogravitics offers.

That still remains to be proven... that EG can even be implemented practically if at all
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: thorfourwinds on March 16, 2014, 01:05:52 pm
Welcome "Igor":

Yup, transparent to those who are in the know.

Your first GOLD for such an eloquent post.

Looking forward to more.

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Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on March 16, 2014, 01:30:17 pm
Can this free sunlight be used in more complex ways? Can I heat up a cup of tea? Yes, I can focus the rays  of the sun with a collimating lens and bring a small amount of water up to an appropriate temperature. But here is  where things are not so "free" any more. I need a suitable lens, I need a vessel to contain the working fluid. My cup of tea has been commodified. "Commodification" is the key word which, for my purposes here, means putting a cash price on the item or procedure. Many free (or cheap) things in life have been commodified.

Good word Igor :D  BTW welcome to PRC  we can always use another egghead around here :D You should hook up with Playswithmachines... head of our Inventor's Group. Seems you would fit right in :D

Yes I found an old lens... put it into a staff I call my Staff of Ra :D  It is awesome for starting a fire. Forget rubbing those sticks together... just focus the sun and POOF instant flames

Solar furnaces, Solar stoves..etc all been around a long time... but you are correct "Commodification" is the key word. Even Amy's dream of EG will require a LOT of commodification to implement (unless you use Majic :P )

But in the interim and failing to find a Wizard, a CHEAP solar system would help an awful lot of people. Not total freedom but certainly a major relief on the pocket book and provide a more comfortable life. While commodification would obviously be necessary for the startup, once built it will be effectively free energy once the initial cost is recovered.

I have looked into a commercial installation.  For my house it would run around $5-6,000. That system would run my house with about 25% extra to feed into the grid at maximum usage. My current power bill runs around $400.00 a month... so I would reach break even point at just 15 months or so.

Until recently I didn't have that 6K to spend. I was hoping the PRC eggheads would come up with a cheaper alternative :D  Oh well   8) 

Can we use sunlight to run our cars? Sure, just get a plug-in electric car and charge it with solar cells. But look at the extent to which your automotive transportation has now been commodified! You would then be using free solar energy at an initial cost of about $40,000 for the hardware.

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OK, so you have your little (or perhaps not-so-little) black box to extract dark energy, which is in itself a  commodification. You have to fabricate the black box. The materials have to be scraped from the earth, processed, and shipped to you. Do all that and you have some less-than-free energy.


Yes a point we have been making for some time "free" is a relative term. Most people talking free energy mean overunity...  getting back MORE from the system then you put in. But that is not the same thing as costless energy where you could plug your house into a magical outlet tapping the cosmic source :D

Any 'free energy' device created, no matter how exotic the energy source, you will need to manufacture the devices, and get them to the people. THEN you have to make converters so the current devices we all have can make USE of that power

Solar power from cells comes in at around 12 volts max  but we all use 120 volt devices and Europe used 240 volt systems. So the first thing you need for using sunlight is an INVERTER and  guess what? those are the most expensive part of the system AND require a professional to install them into your system so you don't fry yourself

You COULD convert all your lights and appliances to a 12 volt system like the use on boats and campers, but that would require an immense expenditure on new commodoties :D

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Oh, you might want to use that energy somewhere else? You will need a means of transmitting that energy, or transporting the black box. Further commodification.


Many people look at TESLA's power transmision tower and say "See? it can be done and "they" are keeping it from us"

But what people don't realize is that this tower still needed a generator to produce the power which was then transmitted. When Tesla put that black box receiver on his car, it required a TRANSMITTER to send that power. That TRANSMITTER was attached to Westinghouse's Niagara Falls generating station. So the power he was transmitting to his car... was owned by Westinghouse who built the station. That is when he asked Tesla "Where can I put the meter?"  And that was the end of that :D

MIT has since redone that...  but consider this... all that power that would be transmitted to run our modern society would mean horrendous amounts of radiation beamed around the world. Imagine the consequences of THAT

Now Morray had a device... a small wooden box which we never saw inside of... he just plugged in his house and there seemed no limit. We never did find out where THAT power came from. Sadly thge patent clerk denied the patent because Morray couldn't show where the power came from :D

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But you say, the free energy will do all this for itself with no further need to put commodified energy into the system.

Yes that has been my main beef with Amy's TAP  there is nothing to show how this miracle will materialize :D

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Good theory. It should work. But here we are, stuck in a world where commodification is key, greed and exploitation abound, and technology appears not to be able to sustain even the level to which we have ascended. We are now in distress and decent due to the diminishing cheap energy supply.

I am pushing 63... It is all well and good to plan for the future generations but in the meantime I and others are living in THIS paradigm... and I for one would like to see a little more comfort in the INTERIM :D

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Some of us are preparing for the near-term problems, some are waiting for the break-through of new energy sources. There are doomers, preppers, frackers, and deniers. But that is another post, another forum, another site.

There is no reason you cannot do all. It is WISE to be prepared. Have an escape route in case your region gets storm blitzed, have food in storage in case you lose a job, and have supplies of necessities like matches candles and toilet paper in case the SHTF even temporarily. Mormons require their members to have a 72 hr bug out bag for every family member  Just smart... so you are ready for anything

It is also easier to spend time planning for the future of mankind when you are not in stress to merely survive from day to day. Christians have a saying "God helps those who help themselves" It is a wise saying. You cannot help others effectively  if you are in need of help yourself

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As soon as I post this, I am going outside to sit in the sun for a while and then roll down my hill on my bicycle to fetch a load of groceries to sustain myself for another week. BTW, I built my bicycle mostly from trashed parts and at a cost of less than the bag of groceries I will purchase today.     

Nice :D  But for me that solution would not work to well as my legs would never be able to make that trip back UP that hill to get home :D

PS I LIKE my commodities.  So I need to find a solution that works to allow me to keep my commodities but not spend a fortune running them :D

The 400.00 power bill?  Well I have a spare room.... I can rent that out at 400.00 a month (which is cheap by room standards in Vegas considering it has all utilities, laundry, wifi and a pool)

Voila!!! Power bill covered :D AND I get to help someone out by providing cheap living space
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on March 16, 2014, 01:35:31 pm
Why do you need gravity control for energy usage?

You don't, but it's a great advantage to freeing Us from being stuck where We are, and We cannot build houses in the sky.

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YES it IS  and the INTERIM is what TAP is lacking. We need solutions for the here and NOW while working towards the future. I do not understand why you are against interim solutions

No lack, z.  We do what We can in the interim.  What gave You the impression I am against interim solutions?  Go for it.  I merely work for the final manifestation.  Too many will get comfortable somewhere along the interim line and feel there is no need to continue.  I will not be one of Those.

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That still remains to be proven... that EG can even be implemented practically if at all

To You, maybe.  I have the evidence I need.  Sadly it's all in My memory (and black projects) and not anything I can specifically point to.  Though Luke has more in that evidence line.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: The Seeker on March 16, 2014, 06:39:19 pm
Okay, Zorgon, perhaps my request has gotten lost in the matrix; I would like the info on the solar systems you have available... Perhaps I can put it to use along with one of PWM's inverter designs as a functioning unit for both you and my household...


seeker
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 17, 2014, 04:11:29 am
Welcome, Igor :)
Sorry i am rather busy, but welcome to our little asylum :D

Hi Z,
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Until recently I didn't have that 6K to spend. I was hoping the PRC eggheads would come up with a cheaper alternative   Oh well   

We're working on it, i didn't post all those electronic threads for nothing.
In order to reproduce these circuits you will need to know which end of a soldering iron is hot.
But i intend to make them for less than $1000 if i can, for those that are not builders ;)
Most of the more expensive parts i got for FREE including the IGBT's which retail at $800 each :P
How's that for 'abundance'?.. ;D

Solar panels are a good idea, a useful stopgap measure until we get the more esoteric methods running. (Phillips are trying to boycott the cheap ones from China, so we have to buy their vastly over-priced ones, also made in China ::) )

The expensive part being the batteries & inverters.
If you are using very little energy at night you won't need too many batteries.

As you know, i am working on some 'super inverters' that are 400% efficient (!)

And we have other wonderful toys in the pipeline..

OK yes, so 'free' is a relative term, of course the thing has to be made, transported etc, and like all things, will be expensive at first. My credo is to make them as cheap as possible, just using the profit to make more machines, and a little over for research.

So for a start we could wipe out all our electric bills, then we will take a look at transport....

Once you have free energy, free transport, free comms, then virtually everything becomes free, at least it should do eventually.

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Now Morray had a device... a small wooden box which we never saw inside of... he just plugged in his house and there seemed no limit. We never did find out where THAT power came from. Sadly thge patent clerk denied the patent because Morray couldn't show where the power came from

Moray is the one we have the least info on, but we have a similar device, as i already stated.
In fact i have promised Z and Amy the first  2 working prototypes :)

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I am pushing 63... It is all well and good to plan for the future generations but in the meantime I and others are living in THIS paradigm... and I for one would like to see a little more comfort in the INTERIM

I will try & get them finished before you pop your clogs, mate ;)

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The 400.00 power bill?  Well I have a spare room.... I can rent that out at 400.00 a month (which is cheap by room standards in Vegas considering it has all utilities, laundry, wifi and a pool)

Can i come & stay? This house costs me 1500 a month, sounds like paradise to me :D

Hmm, antigravity & 'free' energy are linked of course.
Amy,, if we could build flying houses, that would definitely solve the housing problem, and real estate prices would plummet, LOL
(Of course, we would need some kind of automated traffic control, can't have houses flying willy-nilly all over the place)

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YES it IS  and the INTERIM is what TAP is lacking. We need solutions for the here and NOW while working towards the future. I do not understand why you are against interim solutions.

No lack, z.  We do what We can in the interim.  What gave You the impression I am against interim solutions?  Go for it.  I merely work for the final manifestation.  Too many will get comfortable somewhere along the interim line and feel there is no need to continue.  I will not be one of Those.

Of course, the one interim measure i keep telling you about, is HHO or water powered cars.
There are those who maintain it does not work...Wrong.
There are those who maintains that it corrodes the engine faster....No real evidence of that, some of these guys have been running cars on water for 10 years.
And even then, who cares? Just recycle the engines, the fuel is free :)
This can be applied to all existing petrol-driven vehicles, with very little modification.
Generators, barbeques, heating systems, all running on water :P

Another interim is the use of solar panels, TEG's wind etc.

And i'm not even going to start on Radiant energy, ZPE, or nuclear fusion.. ::)

Choice aplenty, so what are you all waiting for?

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"That still remains to be proven... that EG can even be implemented practically if at all"

To You, maybe.  I have the evidence I need.  Sadly it's all in My memory (and black projects) and not anything I can specifically point to.  Though Luke has more in that evidence line.

You have seen the video's Amy ;)
Let's just say i don't agree completely with Puthoff, and Mikado's gravitor is way stronger than mine, but the evidence is 100%, there is an electro-gravitational action.
But that is still missing the rotational element, hence the Flux-liner, which combines several effects in a simple design......gotta get me one of those ;D

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Okay, Zorgon, perhaps my request has gotten lost in the matrix; I would like the info on the solar systems you have available... Perhaps I can put it to use along with one of PWM's inverter designs as a functioning unit for both you and my household...

seeker

I would be more than happy to do that, in fact i feel an 'inverter thread' coming on....

Give me a few days to sort through the plans ;)
I need time to draw up some E-cad plans, so you can etch them yourselves, kind of like the Velleman kits, LOL I need to start that 'instruments' company real soon....
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Igor on March 17, 2014, 07:25:16 pm
Wow! I never expected this somewhat dormant thread to take off upon my first post. Thanks all for the warm  welcome. I have to admit that I am not up to speed on all the over-unity energy LBBs (little black boxes) as I consider myself a pragmatist and limited to what I can get my hands on and work with.

I have been experimenting with discarded lawn and garden lights that people stick in the ground to light up their sidewalks/paths with LEDs. Sometimes I luck out and find a working lithium cell inside, sometimes the solar cell still works. I have been using the solar cells to make up small battery chargers for the myriad of NMh and Lithium AAA and AA batteries that I require for various purposes. The 100ma or so output will charge a single battery in a day. I want to be ready for when the grid goes down. :-)

A few notes re power inverters for making use of solar cell output for household use: Some years ago I built just such an inverter to power my amateur radio equipment in my car. My memory is a bit hazy on the circuit, but briefly it was an oscillator tuned to 60 Hz feeding into a pair of heat-sunk power transistors, then into a reversed filament transformer with the high-side output at 120 vac. The output wave form was a scraggly-looking lopsided square wave, but it did the trick and powered up my Heathkit Sixer VHF transceiver. For household use, I would heat sink the power transistors to my hot water tank. Old, used filament transformers were once filling the dumpsters as vacuum tube electronics were phased out. I imagine they are not so readily available nowadays.
 
I see a backsliding of our industrialized society into more of a "steampunk" paradigm. I am not a doomer, I think we can all survive and hopefully prosper even without cheap fossil fuel and the technologies and economies that have developed during the last 100 years. To that end, my mission at this point in my life is to enable those who want to opt out of the consumerism and oil dependency that now pervades. I can easily afford to pay the $4 per gallon of gasoline and drive around in a car every day, but I choose not to. I have zeroed in on working with like-minded individuals who would rather pedal an old bike around for their short errands.

I am the eternal tinkerer, developing tools and techniques to adapt parts from disparate old bikes to work with each other. I have developed methods to repair components that otherwise would have to be replaced.  I use cheap LED flashlights as bike lights by fabricating custom mounts and adapting them to use a single lithium cell instead of a battery of 3 AAA NMh cells. And I teach others to do the same. While not exactly a dumpster-diver, I roam my 'hood in search of raw material discards for my projects. Favorite items are PVC and metal tubing, anything with wire and connectors, threaded fasteners, washers, nails, and best of all a damaged and fallen aluminum "no parking" sign. I love working aluminum into brackets, links, and tools. My bicycles bristle with such items. And I still use my K+E Log-Log Duplex Decitrig slide rule to crunch the numbers.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on March 17, 2014, 07:51:15 pm
Glad You joined Us.  [smile]

What do We do for those of Us whose knees will not take the pedaling demand of a bike?  I am motivated such that said People do not have to worry one way or the other - and Those who LOVE to ride bikes may make that choice.

Also, to z:  "Plugging into the grid" is fine if You want power for Your home, but You need batteries if You want transportation.  Unless You can carry Your power source with You.  And that is where electrogravitics comes in.
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 18, 2014, 06:46:47 am
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Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Igor on March 18, 2014, 10:35:41 am
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 :D

Exposed! Actually, I played "Eye-Gaw" and was type-cast as such in several amateur musical-comedy productions performed live on stage in the auditorium of my former employer. Amy should well remember these, as she was one of our make-up artists.

 We could not get a real Tesla coil or Jacob's ladder (like the ones in the quoted movie) so I designed a stage prop to simulate this equipment. We had a PowerStat or two, some large power station meters, some large knife switches,  and the obligatory flashing lights. We did a lot of slapstick routines like me walking around with half of a (naked) mannequin claiming that I had just purchased it at the UCLA student body store. All this was an ad lib when Dr. Frank N Stein forgot to make an entrance.

Even after the show closed, people seeing me in the elevators and hallways of our office building would laugh and call me Igor. So its not just a screen name. :-)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 02:45:46 pm
Okay, Zorgon, perhaps my request has gotten lost in the matrix; I would like the info on the solar systems you have available... Perhaps I can put it to use along with one of PWM's inverter designs as a functioning unit for both you and my household...


LOL for a few minutes when you said Solar systems availble I was thinkin UMLR  BWAHAHAHAHAHA
I think I am lost in the matrix.

Yeah I copied the files up to the server... will have to see if they are still there
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 03:31:58 pm

Hi Z,
We're working on it, i didn't post all those electronic threads for nothing.
In order to reproduce these circuits you will need to know which end of a soldering iron is hot.
But i intend to make them for less than $1000 if i can, for those that are not builders ;)
Most of the more expensive parts i got for FREE including the IGBT's which retail at $800 each :P
How's that for 'abundance'?.. ;D

$1000.00 not bad :P  As for the hot end  its the one that smokes :P

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Solar panels are a good idea, a useful stopgap measure until we get the more esoteric methods running. (Phillips are trying to boycott the cheap ones from China, so we have to buy their vastly over-priced ones, also made in China ::) )

A lot of years ago BEFORE I got into CT  when we were building towards the Theme Park projects... one of the goals was to use solar power and other energy tricks. Back then we were told of a solar cell that were awesome... a large factory roof could produce enough power to run 25,000 homes.

These were developed (or developing) at the Nevada Test Center...We had architects and contacts and investors ready to jump on this and would have featured them on the park site  Big name architect too Wells Pugsly... we even had support from Timet, the titanium company.... Nevada Power was even talking about them in fact I heard about it from them

But then  POOF all the info on them vanished...nada  zip

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The expensive part being the batteries & inverters.
If you are using very little energy at night you won't need too many batteries.

I am an energy HOG :P that AC units sucks power like a tornado When its 120 outside and 100 at night, I would literally die without it :D So would my little Ferrets

Our freezers also need juice... but I love the freezers  keeps us in supplies for over a year

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As you know, i am working on some 'super inverters' that are 400% efficient (!)

Yes we do know :D

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OK yes, so 'free' is a relative term, of course the thing has to be made, transported etc, and like all things, will be expensive at first. My credo is to make them as cheap as possible, just using the profit to make more machines, and a little over for research.

Yes the main problem is there are TWO free's  one being no cost  which can happen after the initial expense of setup is achieved. From then on it is free. Even a wood stove you have to buy it first and install it :D

The other is free as in something from nothing  ie over unity... and so far that is still a pipe dream. Lots of people working on it, lots of promising ideas, but when push comes to shove, no provable or duplicatable machines yet

It sucks that we don't know how TH Morray did it. I suspect his 'Swedish stone" was Naquadah :P

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So for a start we could wipe out all our electric bills, then we will take a look at transport....

Wipe out the electric bills and I will be able to afford a Hydrogen car :P


Once you have free energy, free transport, free comms, then virtually everything becomes free, at least it should do eventually.

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Moray is the one we have the least info on, but we have a similar device, as i already stated.
In fact i have promised Z and Amy the first  2 working prototypes :)

I have all Moray's papers and patents somewhere... but he could never explain where he was drawing the power from. Maybe he didn't know :D

Its a wooden box with some coils and that 'Swedish stone' and you can plug in endless devices That was vetted by over 100 peers but  HOW was he drawing that power and from WHERE

(http://www.thmoray.org/images/moray&device.jpg)

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I will try & get them finished before you pop your clogs, mate ;)

No worries mate... I have gone back to the method Amy hates :P Making MONEY. I figure I can liberate those rich peoples' dollars by selling them stuff I find for next to nothing :D

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Can i come & stay? This house costs me 1500 a month, sounds like paradise to me :D

Well between mortgage and utilites we are running around 2000.00 a month

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Hmm, antigravity & 'free' energy are linked of course.

Are they though? zero point energy is an unlimted source and has nothing to do with gravity. Plasma energy is all over the Universe in a steady stream. Can we not just make a device to tap that flow? Nothing exotic needed  just a plasma scoop :P  The Tether was something like that  A basic copper wire 12 miles long dragged through the ionosphere at 17,500 MPH produces a LOT of energy and you can beam that back to earth via laser... (yeah that is viable CURRENT tech baces on old principles but it works!

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Amy,, if we could build flying houses, that would definitely solve the housing problem, and real estate prices would plummet, LOL
(Of course, we would need some kind of automated traffic control, can't have houses flying willy-nilly all over the place)

Ah yes more CONTROL on that new freedom :D  Same with flying cars... you cannot let people fly whereever they want  It would have to be an automated system or it would be chaos.  Nothing is simple :P

My concern with flying houses? NO human made tech is infalible... I can see house levitation systems failing after ten years and dropping like stones... "Look Ma! It's raining houses!!!"   8)

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Of course, the one interim measure i keep telling you about, is HHO or water powered cars.
There are those who maintain it does not work...Wrong.

Frankly I don't get it these naysayers. I was using a water torch when I was a kid learning jewelry making. Hydrogen cars and buses have been in use around the world for decades. Shell Oil is installing hydrogen pumps around the world... so why the naysayers saying it doesn't work?

There is one down side... water pollution Billions of cars spewing water vapor exhaust will drastically effect local climates with increased humidity :D

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There are those who maintains that it corrodes the engine faster....No real evidence of that, some of these guys have been running cars on water for 10 years.

That would be true... but that can be fixed by using aluminum engine blocks which some cars already have  water doesn't rust aluminum :D  Also back in the day when I was Rally driving (70's) we had water injectors to mix with the fuel to increase power (denser intake)

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And even then, who cares? Just recycle the engines, the fuel is free :)
This can be applied to all existing petrol-driven vehicles, with very little modification.

Back in the late 60's Univ of Toronto offered a hydrogen conversion kit to outfit any car using a carburator... cost was $680.00 installed. Consisted of a special carburator a special nickle foam tank for the hydrogen and a set of rear spring to cover the tank weight :D


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Generators, barbeques, heating systems, all running on water :P

Welders :D  'In regular use, an ER1200 Water Torch can cut steel 25% faster than acetylene,..."

http://www.waterwelder.com/machines.htm


(http://www.watertorch.com/images/pictures/bgmach/bgmachport/1200depth.jpg)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 18, 2014, 04:35:26 pm
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I have all Moray's papers and patents somewhere... but he could never explain where he was drawing the power from. Maybe he didn't know
Well in real terms, i can't explain the output of these inverters, except to say that they use each electron more than once ;)

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There is one down side... water pollution Billions of cars spewing water vapor exhaust will drastically effect local climates with increased humidity

You're saying you get too much rain in Vegas?
Drive them round the Sahara for a few years, create some gardens, LOL


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Welders   'In regular use, an ER1200 Water Torch can cut steel 25% faster than acetylene,..."

OOOoo Dribble, drool, i like those ;D

Hmm yes falling houses, even worse than falling prices LOL
They will need to have regular diagnostics, the PLC's i'm thinking of would do this once a second, so we should be allright ::)
Parachutes & airbags would be pretty useful as well......
and think of all the space taken up by roads & railways!
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: DLensman on May 08, 2014, 02:14:17 pm
A mind blowing post...bravo........ :)
Title: Re: The End of Entropy
Post by: Amaterasu on May 09, 2014, 07:27:57 am
Most humble thanks.  [smile]