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Title: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 12:55:54 am
So recently, as some of you probably know, I've been spending a lot of my time trying to learn about sacred geometry, and the potential technology of the ancient Egyptians; stuff which is traditionally considered the domain of Freemasonry, among other groups or individuals.

Yet despite my recent adoption of the belief that such material is, by itself, morally neutral, (or actually biased slightly towards positive or harmonious use) I remaind steadfast in my previous conviction that Freemasonry is a fundamentally infernal organisation.  I still remember hearing Richard Hoagland's emphatic claim to Kerry Cassidy that the Masons are, "the good guys."  I had misgivings about that idea back then, which have only grown.

My main reason for believing that Freemasonry is evil, is very simple.  The Masons cannot have it both ways.  They cannot claim to be, or in fact be, fundamentally responsible for the course of human history on the one hand, and yet maintain the claim of being a benevolent organisation on the other.  Given the nature of human history, particularly over the last 200 years, those two premises are completely irreconcilable. 

If they are the directors of collective human destiny, as has been the continual implication, then why are we continually immersed in war?  Why is our society defective and self-defeating at every possible level, to the point where we are threatened with extinction?

Let's hypothetically assume three concepts, here.

a}  A benevolent group exists.
b}  This group has advanced, even intimate knowledge, of the fundamental organisational and constructive principles of the known universe.
c}  This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.

Assuming, hypothetically, that the above three statements were correct, then I would expect to see human civilisation organised along radically different, even diametrically opposing, lines, to what we observe today.  I would not expect to see residential or commercial architecture be based around the rectangle, but around the shape of the pyramid, as such has been proven to be the most robust possible shape for a building.  I would also expect to see engineering in general, follow an infinitely higher standard, to the point where human engineering processes would actually augment and positively reinforce the terrestrial environment, rather than working to destroy it.

What I propose, then, is that while premise b} and c} above are true, premise a} is not.  That rather than being a benevolent or altruistically/compassionately oriented organisation, this group are, in fact, psychopaths of the very worst kind that humanity has been able to produce.  I accuse Masonry of the following three crimes:-

a}  That while having the level of knowledge of said harmonious organisational and architectural principles that they have, they have deliberately sought (with very close to complete success, I might add) to remove all access to, and knowledge of, said principles from the general human public.

b}  That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.

c}  That while they have organised and directed mainstream human society in such a manner that it is in direct opposition to the principles mentioned above, such that it would eventually destroy itself, they have maintained both knowledge and active use of said principles themselves, for their own exclusive aggrandisement, and to allow them to continue to subjugate and exploit the vast majority of humanity.

This is the first time that I have been able, when I look at it, to really consciously enunciate and provide myself with a truly concrete description of this conspiracy.  This is, however, also the reason why I am motivated to learn as much about the principles that I believe that they have deliberately withheld from the human population, as I possibly can.  I do not seek to learn such primarily for my own benefit; but I want to find a way, if such is possible, to also disclose said knowledge to anyone else who may be interested in it.  I believe that such could be indescribably empowering and liberating for humanity as a whole.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 18, 2012, 05:04:33 am
Greetings:

Another great post, IMHO!    ;)

This should stir things up a bit, our friend petrus4.    8)


BTW, we were just attempting
to be funny when speaking about 'points'
being added or deducted... ;)

That's just a 'thing' between you and us
to 'keep score' -  well, not actually score -

but we think you know we love you    :-*
and never would do anything to detract
from 'the message...'    ;)

Keep 'em coming!

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 05:41:37 am
to clarify, albert pike

Pike, Albert (1997). Indo-Aryan Deities and Worship as Contained in the Rig-Veda. City: Kessinger Publishing

?  what was this book about? 

it says in the wiki about him that he was scottish freemasonry.   but it seems to me i had read he was like one of those hermetic golden dawn guys. 
now i don't want to go all pretzel shaped here because my aim is to understand all this without falling prey to its darker side, but i have a wee bit of commentary on this topic, as regards people like kerry and others, from the alternative news communities,which i believe are being driven at some level by the same group that is driving the mainstream, like different rooms in the same building. 

for example notice in the following video, a gentleman discussing the sumerian enki, the formation of the solar system, the prior wars in the heavens, etc, from the perspective of his native american grandfather, who said he had received the data from an extra-terrestrial named "bekti". this resulted in the gentleman in the video, bringing out the story in the form of the "terra papers", a book covering this information.    notice how he  bad mouths the masons but also notice behind his head the big banner (give it a few seconds to play, as the first few seconds the sound is messed up)  that says "hermetic revelation."

now when i see stuff like that, i immediately think, "a hermetic revelation, according to who?"  is this just another room in the same building?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANVX_MEqhSM[/youtube]

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 05:44:32 am
BTW, we were just attempting
to be funny when speaking about 'points'
being added or deducted... ;)

That's just a 'thing' between you and us
to 'keep score' -  well, not actually score -

I forgive you.  *Orcish hugs* ;D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 06:18:54 am
it says in the wiki about him that he was scottish freemasonry.   but it seems to be i had read he was like one of those golden dawn guys.

The whole GD fiasco (at least re Crowley etc) was basically an occult version, of the sort of narcissistic politics you'd expect to see among a clique of girls in any secondary schoolyard.

I don't, personally, consider the GD to have been part of "the cabal," as such.  Truthfully, I've never really been able to figure out exactly what their point was; they probably didn't know themselves.  From what I've been able to read, Regardie basically ripped off Jewish mysticism, and combined that with an Egyptian sense of aesthetics, and the proverbial eleven secret herbs and spices, in order to create an old school version, of the type of self-help group that Wayne Dyer would probably be able to appreciate. ;)

Then Uncle Al came along, trolled and caused drama with the GD authorities, and set about squirreling source, which resulted in the foundation of the AA/OTO.
 
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now i don't want to go all pretzel shaped here because my aim is to understand all this without falling prey to its darker side, but i have a wee bit of commentary on this topic, as regards people like kerry and others, from the alternative news communities,which i believe are being driven at some level by the same group that is driving the mainstream, like different rooms in the same building.

That wouldn't surprise me.  Finding out the truth isn't Kerry's genuine motivation, from what I've seen.  Going seriously Cookie Monster with narcissistic supply is.  Interviewing equally psychiatrically questionable individuals (she even allows them to get a word in, occasionally) and posting it up on the Interwebs, is simply her chosen means to said end.

I get out of Project Camelot, roughly the same as what I do from reading /b/ on 4chan; but I recognise that /b/'s disclaimer applies equally to PC as well.  "Only a fool would accept anything written here as the truth."

That does not mean, however, that in amongst the ocean of fecal matter, you won't occasionally find an isolated nugget of truth.  Occasionally you will.  It simply means not opening your mouth so wide, figuratively speaking, that all of the raw sewage flows into it, alongside the legitimate psycho-spiritual nutrition. ;)

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notice how he  bad mouths the masons but also notice behind his head the big banner (give it a few seconds to play, as the first few seconds the sound is messed up)  that says "hermetic revelation."

now when i see stuff like that, i immediately think, "according to who?"  is this just another room in the same building?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANVX_MEqhSM[/youtube]

The fortunate thing about the sacred mathematics/geometry at least, is that it's testable.  In other words, whether it's the motivation of the person who's telling you something, to lead you down the garden path or not, mathematics doesn't lie.  So if someone starts making funky claims about a relationship between the distance between Stonehenge and Avebury, and how that is a scale representation of the distance between the Earth and the Sun, or whatever, then I can take said person's numbers, pull out my calculator, hit up Wackipedia, and otherwise experimentally verify it myself.

Hence, my claim that while Pike and his fellow Masons have horns and a tail, (or at least worship someone who does) their science still makes a lot of sense; and more importantly, it makes sense in a way that we need, and could really be useful.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 06:22:30 am
i take issue with cognitive dissonance when it is disguised and presented as an alternative to its original source. it bugs me when i see it or discover it amidst my own thoughts on a subject, for the obvious reason that i like to make sense, at the very least, to myself.   

anyway, i find it terribly uncomfortable to see him discussing hidden information from the position of an organization infamous for hiding information, such as a hermetic order. this is the one thing that i complained to zorgon about when he told he was a rosicrucian.  how could he complain that there are orgs that hid data, while being a member of an org that hides data.  it made no sense to me.  then he told me that some information, in the hands of the wrong person, could be disastrous.  this made sense, even if i didn't know the extent of it.

so my question to you is, if the problem is they are hiding information because it gives them a superior position over the masses, could the same be said for other organizations such as rosicrucians and etc, that hide information because it could be very bad if in the wrong hands and how do we know the hands it is in currently, are the right hands?   

i mean, technically speaking.

could not the same be said for masons?  not that i agree with albert pike's white supremacy stuff.  not sure that's a masonic platform (white supremacy i mean).  personally i don't think any of us are superior to each other, even when one of us is better at something than the other. 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 06:37:37 am
so my question to you is, if the problem is they are hiding information because it gives them a superior position over the masses, could the same be said for other organizations such as rosicrucians and etc, that hide information because it could be very bad if in the wrong hands and how do we know the hands it is in currently, are the right hands?   

Exactly the point.  Pike is about as potent an example of said information being in the wrong hands, as you're likely to find.  The Masons haven't been concerned about the information getting into the wrong hands; they're more worried about making sure it doesn't get into the right ones. :o

That, however, is why they withhold information in the first place.  Look at the symbolism of the Eye being the capstone at the top of the pyramid.  What you're being shown there, is the cabal's ideal form of social organisation; fairly similar to Amway.  8)

The pyramid is also a good analogy for the type of hierarchical system, which existed within Egypt itself.  The pharoah was considered the only guy in the country worthy of even getting a shot at salvation, in spiritual terms.  Everyone else was just another face for him to stand on, pretty much...and Occupy think the 1% these days are bad.

Again, however, that doesn't change the fact that the mathematics behind the pyramid are very solid, and include scale distance measurements of all kinds, relating both to Earth, and in some cases, space as well.  It also doesn't change the fact that the pyramids and temples are earthquake proof IRL, or that the pyramid is the single most robust type of structure that I can build in Minecraft.  The sloped sides mean I can detonate TNT against them in that game, and I end up needing to replace less than a dozen blocks from the core frame.

So, yeah.  The Masons are/were assholes, and the pharoahs probably were too; but the point is that they were extremely technologically advanced assholes, and it is their tech that I'm primarily interested in.  Their moral disabilities are their own problem. ;)

[youtube]A99s7wbsk04[/youtube]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 06:54:41 am
Exactly the point.  Pike is about as potent an example of said information being in the wrong hands, as you're likely to find.  The Masons haven't been concerned about the information getting into the wrong hands; they're more worried about making sure it doesn't get into the right ones. :o

That, however, is why they withhold information in the first place.  Look at the symbolism of the Eye being the capstone at the top of the pyramid.  What you're being shown there, is the cabal's ideal form of social organisation; fairly similar to Amway.  8)



you might want to review this video series and then keep in mind, while watching it, that i seriously believe this is a big blinking example of cognitive dissonance on a massive scale.  good information is there but it's off, just enough, where it can be construed to be something it actually wasnt. 

for example, the israelites WERE indeed the hyksos, but the pharaoh that chased them out was ahmose. even the hieroglyphs at avaris prove this.    whereas she picks a hyksos timeframe pharaoh, other than ahmose, so it can be said the story is a fiction.  it was not a fiction. and this particular approach by her, is repeated over and over again:  the real truth, but twisted just enough so that it sounds like it was never the truth. 

the most blatant example of bold faced cognitive dissonance, i've ever witnessed and actually learned from at the same time.  she makes heath ledger's joker look like an elementary school student, by comparison.  she's telling the truth while lying. it's freakin' weird

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwnWni9HLEY[/youtube]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 07:08:44 am
for example, the israelites WERE indeed the hyksos, but the pharaoh that chased them out was ahmose. even the hieroglyphs at avaris prove this.    whereas she picks a hyksos timeframe pharaoh, other than ahmose, so it can be said the story is a fiction.  it was not a fiction. and this particular approach by her, is repeated over and over again:  the real truth, but twisted just enough so that it sounds like it was never the truth.

Yep.  Same with Christianity.  Pretty much every denomination I've seen, if asked, would tell people to stay well away from any consideration of sacred geometry, claiming that it's Satanic.  My response to that is, "Then exactly what the frigging heck is your own Temple Canon, guys?"  :o

(http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/wp-content/uploads/ChartresPlan.jpg)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZoVDKPTFeK0/TKyaYViRKLI/AAAAAAAAABU/HEsepmw9D70/s1600/templeman.jpg)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: robomont on August 18, 2012, 07:30:00 am
just my opinion.dont waste your time on the masons.i have.their venture is a folly.so is any mans.create your own adventure ,all the worlds a stage,we are many players.southpark has most of the answers.live in peace.be nice.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 07:35:13 am
just my opinion.dont waste your time on the masons.i have.their venture is a folly.so is any mans.create your own adventure ,all the worlds a stage,we are many players.southpark has most of the answers.live in peace.be nice.

My goal isn't to waste my time on the masons themselves at all, robomont.  What I'm interested in is the geometric stuff.  I'm interested in harmonic architectural and engineering design.  I went and did a permaculture design course last year, which went into this to a degree, but to nowhere near what I've been learning lately.

I truthfully wish that I could learn about this stuff, without ever having to hear about the Masons.  I truthfully wince, mentally if not physically, every time I see the Eye anywhere.  They are an absolutely vile group, as far as I'm concerned.  Unfortunately though, what I do want to learn about, means having to wade through a lot of seriously yucky stuff in order to get to it.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 07:35:44 am
Sacred geometry aside, most of the knowledge has now been hidden for so long from the public, even the freemasons cant find it.

Theyre crawling along the floor looking for contacts, and the rejection from them many feel isnt their hubris telling you you dont deserve to know, its their fear telling us to"not step on my contact!"

They themselves have spiralled into a vortex of self inflicted cluelessness, and as you say Petrus, theyre deathly afraid someone else is going to find the truth and put it to GOOD use.

Freemasons as a whole are a self aggrandizing bunch of dipsh!ts, who havent a clue how to do the one thing they trumpet about being able to do.

Use the power and knowledge for balance.

The yin and yang is a powerful self governor, and as such will not allow the whole of the hermetic knowledge to be used for either good or bad but for a balance, which is how the universe works.

When the current crop of freemasons meets in their darkened halls, the general feeling is of greed and control envy, and along with all the different religions twisting the truth into unbelievable piles of sh!t, we have a balance which is way to the bad side.

Until more folks try to exude and employ the good parts of hermetica in accordance with the bad, we wont have the pyramidal society we once had....it all started in those pharaonic times, when we lost our grip on the advanced knowledge, and as the principle states. as above so below, as below so above.

And lets not forget, for every top down way of thinking such as we are dominated by today, there's an inverted pyramid to keep the balance...and thats why at teotihuacan, right next to the Pyramid of the sun, is a inverted pyramid that extends down into the Earth equal in size to the surface version. The double tetrahedron..one of the few things Hoagland has a grip on understanding.

Above and Below.

Balance.

Freemasons are no more likely to execute their latest rounds of madness any more than Jesus is to come down and save us. Once mankind is ready to take the wheel again, the universe will give it back its learner's permit...until then mankind will ride its bike through the rain.

Sacred geometry is a safe bet for where the hidden knowledge lies, Petrus, and you are definitely on the right path to understanding it...but dont expect it to save us or yourself until the collective gasp is over, and we all realize weve been following the wrong path when we let religion and greed take over the world.

Check out carl Munck..the code...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&list=PL9A1059B74D8447FF&index=1&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]

As for wars, and their perpetuation, when mankind was shown how he could dominate over one another, it was human nature to want to impose. Imposition of ideas and knowledge only lead to one thing...the destruction of free thinking.

And thats where we are at right now...a crossroads which could be the future, or the end.

And, no group of aholes in robes or funny hats or whatever is going to change it, they will just make it be perceived as going their way for a while until some other faction gets the upper hand.

Hey Undo, wouldnt it be nice if Jesus came in and tipped the tables right now? Whoever he was or wasnt?

I think its up to us to use this metaphorical chapter of the bible, which is based on that very same freemason hermeticism, and tip the tables now, before they collapse with the weight of stupidity and greed which controls our current lives.

Great posts here in this thread, both Petrus and Undo, and Petrus I must say, you are an eloquent and passionate writer, I hope you are aspiring to books and such, as it is a knack you clearly have my friend!

Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 08:04:57 am
Sacred geometry aside, most of the knowledge has now been hidden for so long from the public, even the freemasons cant find it.

That's an example of poetic justice, if ever I've heard one.  I feel a deep sense of satisfaction, at that.  8)

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They themselves have spiralled into a vortex of self inflicted cluelessness, and as you say Petrus, theyre deathly afraid someone else is going to find the truth and put it to GOOD use.

I think I would enjoy finding away to embody their worst nightmares, in that regard. :D

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Freemasons as a whole are a self aggrandizing bunch of dipsh!ts, who havent a clue how to do the one thing they trumpet about being able to do.

Use the power and knowledge for balance.

That was roughly the impression that I'd gained, yes.  I like the term "self-aggrandising bunch of dipsh!ts," in particular.  It cuts through any bogus reverence that they might want other people to have for them, and really describes them exactly as they are.

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Until more folks try to exude and employ the good parts of hermetica in accordance with the bad, we wont have the pyramidal society we once had....it all started in those pharaonic times, when we lost our grip on the advanced knowledge, and as the principle states. as above so below, as below so above.

Yes.  Where hermeticism is concerned, I think there's been far too much a case of people adopting the Brain ("[We'll do] The same thing we do every night, Pinky; try to take over the world!") rather than Jesus as their role model.

I'll quote this music again, in order to give you context, if you haven't heard of the characters I'm talking about, there.

[youtube]A99s7wbsk04[/youtube]

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And lets not forget, for every top down way of thinking such as we are dominated by today, there's an inverted pyramid to keep the balance...and thats why at teotihuacan, right next to the Pyramid of the sun, is a inverted pyramid that extends down into the Earth equal in size to the surface version. The double tetrahedron..one of the few things Hoagland has a grip on understanding.

Interesting how the inverted one, of course, needs the Earth to support it, not being able to stand on that tiny point.  Methinks there's actually some symbolism relating to Occupy, there.  They're trying to invert the current pyramid, and they're calling on the general population, to act as the packed Earth around them, because they need that support, as mentioned.  It's really interesting, the analogies that are opening up in front of me, suddenly.

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Freemasons are no more likely to execute their latest rounds of madness any more than Jesus is to come down and save us. Once mankind is ready to take the wheel again, the universe will give it back its learner's permit...until then mankind will ride its bike through the rain.

My concern is that we're going to go off a cliff, before that happens.  Some people think we've already gone past the point of no return.

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Sacred geometry is a safe bet for where the hidden knowledge lies, Petrus, and you are definitely on the right path to understanding it...but dont expect it to save us or yourself until the collective gasp is over, and we all realize weve been following the wrong path when we let religion and greed take over the world.

I get the feeling that there is an attitude that goes along with it...a desire for actual harmony...that is really important.  If we don't have that, then you're right.  We can add numbers together in as many funny and seemingly miraculous ways as we want.  It's the heart that is going to save us...not the head.  Mathematics is a means to an end; but the end has to be love.

I got into an argument with my mother yesterday, which I felt guilty about, so I bought her dinner tonight.  Squaring off the rough edges can take a lot of different forms.

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Check out carl Munck..the code...
[youtube]PL9A1059B74D8447FF[/youtube]

Your link was broken.  I've downloaded the first part of Carl's movie.  Haven't watched it yet, though.  I'm currently ploughing through this one:-

[youtube]L777RhL_Fz4[/youtube]

This video has made me feel like Neo did, after they downloaded kung fu into his brain for ten hours.  So much to learn!

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And, no group of aholes in robes or funny hats or whatever is going to change it, they will just make it be perceived as going their way for a while until some other faction gets the upper hand.

Your level of contempt for the cabal is definitely refreshing. ;)

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Hey Undo, wouldnt it be nice if Jesus came in and tipped the tables right now? Whoever he was or wasnt?

I don't think he wants to.  We didn't exactly treat him very well the last time he came down here.  I think his attitude is probably that we can handle this on our own, this time.  I don't exactly blame him.

I really think God's starting to get sick of it, to be honest.  We just don't learn, and no matter how many times there are where we get told, we always kill the messenger; sometimes with waterboarding first.  We're getting close to the point where we may have kicked our helpers in the nuts one too many times.  Everyone has their limits.

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Great posts here in this thread, both Petrus and Undo, and Petrus I must say, you are an eloquent and passionate writer, I hope you are aspiring to books and such, as it is a knack you clearly have my friend!

Thank you, Dave.  A book might happen one day, but not for a while, I don't think.  I still have a lot more learning to do, before I start to teach.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 08:22:29 am
Link fixed now, Petrus..enjoy!

Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 08:25:34 am
Link fixed now, Petrus..enjoy!

Le

Thanks, Dave!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 08:46:10 am
once again i think you're quoting some pope or something cause according to jesus the temple is the human body.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 08:51:49 am
once again i think you're quoting some pope or something cause according to jesus the temple is the human body.
Indeed, Beth!

And theres two of them!(http://stockfresh.com/files/c/corepics/m/16/111438_stock-photo-drill-through-head.jpg)

Cheers!;)
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 09:17:55 am
Indeed, Beth!

And theres two of them!(http://stockfresh.com/files/c/corepics/m/16/111438_stock-photo-drill-through-head.jpg)

Cheers!;)
Dave

not sure i understand what you mean.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 09:27:53 am
i said that in response to petrus4's comment that christians teach that sacred geometry (he shows a picture of the temple depicting the human body) is satanic.   i was like...wait.
jesus said the temple of god would be the human being.  not the building. 

so anyone who thinks christians teach the building is the location of god must not be reading jesus' words but someone else's words.  i mean, what other conclusion can you reach? 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 09:49:51 am
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"Then exactly what the frigging heck is your own Temple Canon, guys?"

^evidence.

i think my response was appropriate, was it not?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 09:59:36 am
doh. lol  sorry took me a bit to figure out what you were saying.
2 temples (as it the two temples on the sides of the head).

this carl munck video about the stonehenge matrix , global positioning etc, is interesting
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 10:39:21 am
;)
I played wait for it Undo..LOL!

Our temples are the very basis for how the biblical and pre biblical writing speak in allegory of how we must enter the temples and make them useful.

What I find interesting is there is two temples, and that they are the yin and yang, the battle between our left and right brain hemispheres.

A daily struggle to make correct decisions based on what we perceive to be wrong and right, and to learn which temple is the right one takes years of practice and discipline.

Which temple will  enter today?

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 18, 2012, 11:10:30 am
All that play on words with "temple" makes sense only in English (and maybe other languages that I do not know).

In Portuguese we have different words, "templo" (the building) and "têmpora" (the body part).
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 12:15:07 pm
Hey ArMaP! I wonder if the semantics work in Portuguese as well...Hmmm..maybe a bit of Portuguese etymology is in the cards tonight!
Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 12:33:11 pm
I truthfully wish that I could learn about this stuff, without ever having to hear about the Masons.  I truthfully wince, mentally if not physically, every time I see the Eye anywhere.  They are an absolutely vile group, as far as I'm concerned.

Well you COULD learn about Sacred Geometry right here... I have a really good thread about it here... but not mentioning the Masons and RC in context with it? Not possible :P

And using Pike and Crowley as source material? You people make me laugh....

The fact that you wince when you see the eye everywhere when you don't understand it, tells me perhaps it is best I leave that thread in the Mystic Secret room after all....

You and Undo say the secrets are 'in the wrong hands"  and you both say who are they to decide who gets to see it...  but either one of you can simply join and have access to those secrets... once you show you have a serious will to learn

Do you think either of you are 'the right hands' to hold such information?

Here is one example on the extreme end...  I know how to make a nuclear device but have no interest in making one...  you think that info should just fall into the hands of everyone?

Medical schools teach you how to be a brain surgeon... yet that knowledge is kept 'secret' from the masses until you pay your tuition fees and have a basic background in medical skills. Even once you reach that 'level', many fail and never become a practicing brain surgeon

The Mystery Schools are no different. You want to learn how Jesus moved that mountain, you need to learn the basics and how to control it. And yet ALL that knowledge today is freely available on the internet  LOL  I myself have spent decades showing it.

But people like you are more interested in bad mouthing a group based on preconceived notions and what you have heard on the net... that you don't take the time to LISTEN to what is being said.

There is a course on Sacred Geometry at one College that has it online. I have posted that several times... yet no one responded save a few off the cuff comments. University of Wisconsin/Madison has the original Emerald Tablet documents... the Hermwtic Works  I have those here and on my website... but the few that have looked at them cannot understand them and prefer to use web versions written by people with no Hermetic teaching

But you would be biased anyway as the are Rosicrucian Works  just like the Bible is a Christian Work...

There is anothe course in Sacred Geometry presented by a Christian Artist... and though he uses the word God a lot... he too has to cover the Eye :P  But then he understands and has no problem separating knowledge from Religion even though he has his personal belief

Rdunk created a thread on here trying to show the POSITIVE side of Christianity. Yet the very people that have made claims about how Christianity is always attacked... ended up derailing that thread several times and turning it once again into a bash fest. Pimander split it... but NO ONE went to the split thread to continue the off topic nonsense...

Neither Pimander or I are Christians but we gave Rdunk the opportunity to present his religion in a positive light... but look what happened? Even those who should be most supportive of his attempt fell back into the same old attack/counter attack routine.

Now you come and start a thread calling Masons. Etc Monsters.... and you think you are ready to receive knowledge?

Well I don't think this knowledge would be in the right hands if it was to land at your feet. :P In fact I am more inclined to believe that;

A) You would twist it to suit your beliefs
B) Not fully understand it because you are already biased about the source
C) you have not yet reached maturity enough to put aside your need to attack that which you do not understand

Until you can free your mind from this fear of other philosophies you will never be in the right frame of mind to understand the secrets of the Universe

You Petrus has claimed to be a Kali worshiper. To many that is worshiping a vile EVIL deity...

But you say you cannot look at Mason stuff because that EYE keeps popping up...

Well to you I say ..

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE 

Because any true Kali worshipper knows the true meaning of the EYE

(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/kali1.jpg)

And since Kali is part of Hinduism, every TRUE Hindu knows the body is the  temple

The Hindu : Life & Style / Metroplus : The body as temple (http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article2817466.ece)

So until all you bashers can put aside your own biases long enough to LISTEN to real knowledge... you will NEVER be ready to learn the Ancient Secrets and will always be like Jesus said;

“The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’ "

Yoda:

“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”

Luke:

“I can’t believe it.”

Yoda:

“That is why you fail.”

Put aside your hatred of other belief systems long enough to LISTEN to what the other guy has to say and understand that your belief (generic 'your') is not the ONLY truth

You cannot learn anything new when you vilify the very ones who possess that which you seek

BTW hear is your FIRST lesson in Sacred Geometry in the Universe itself thanks to Hubble

(http://www.wolflodge.org/bluestar/godeye_big.gif)

When your ready to put aside your bashing and learn, give me a call ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 01:00:20 pm
I for one, totally understand your disdain for the views Petrus shared earlier, Zorgon, and as a fellow initiate of sorts I must be flexible with the whole Freemason issue.

I also understand the shock Petrus has sustained from learning some of the bad things about freemasons of certain times and societies, which may not be based on the original message the freemasons wished to convey.

Like the Christians and such, freemasonry has been split and divided into differing ideals and activities through the ages, so a base and origin of its definition may be necessary to discuss this in a balanced manner.
I for one am game for some lernin';)

I have found numerous differences in different freemason writings and teachings through my searches on the web, so it seems imperative to sift through the lot for the gems and valuable parts.

I also wish to learn from you and see the side which you care to present in reply to the many different opinions presented by current freemasonry, as several of the local fellows Ive met who claim to be freemasons have turned out to be quite odd, and vague in their beliefs.

Maybe they havent reached the level which defines a true freemason yet, or they have been taught by someone who isnt getting the whole picture.

I think you should do a locked thread about what you feel is the crux of freemasonry and how it has changed and been applied throughout the millenia, to share with us all the whole of your views about it.

With a separate discussion thread, of course.:)

Then and only then can we discuss the subject from an enlightened standpoint, and make arguments and agreeances without conflict.

How bout it, Z?:D

Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 01:04:06 pm
You call Masons MONSTERS...

well back at ya...  At least you don't see headlines like these about masons :P

Here are some REAL MONSTERS  all under the cover of "Religion"

Sacrificed? Beheaded body at Kali temple
Someswar Boral, TNN Apr 16, 2010, 02.23am IST


BOLPUR: A beheaded, naked body lying on the altar of a Bolpur Kali temple on Thursday triggered fears of a human sacrifice by a tantrik. Marigold flowers and incense sticks were scattered around the corpse.The sacrificial altar was smeared with blood. The battered head, with some of the teeth bashed in, lay in the grass, a few metres away.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-04-16/kolkata/28122209_1_human-sacrifice-naked-body-temple

Thuggee Cult

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Thuggee also known as tuggee or simply thugs, was a religious cult and an organized gang of professional assassins who traveled in groups across India for several hundred years. They were first mentioned in the ?iya-ud-Din Barani  dated around 1356. In the 1830s they were targeted by William Bentinck, along with his chief captain William Henry Sleeman, for eradication. They were seemingly destroyed by this effort.

The thugs would join travellers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle them by tossing a handkerchief or noose around their necks. The killings were performed in honour of the goddess Kali and were very ritualistic. They would then rob the bodies of valuables and bury them. This led them to also be called Phansigar (English: using a noose), a term more commonly used in southern India.

The term Thuggee is derived from Hindi word ??, or ?hag, which means thief. Related words are the verb thugna, to deceive, from Sanskrit sthaga meaning cunning, sly, fraudulent, dishonest, scoundrel, from ?sthagati (English: he conceals). This term for a particular kind of murder and robbery of travellers is popular in South Asia and particularly in India.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Group_of_Thugs.gif)

I guess you could say the Thuggee's are equivalent to the Christian Satan worshipers :P



The Catholic Church And German Porn

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Germany’s largest media company is “Weltbild.” They’re owned completely by the Catholic church. Not many were aware of that until recently, when Buchreport, a German industry newsletter, said they also sell porn. The media company sells DVDs, books, music, etc., controlling, in fact, twenty percent of the book market in Germany.

For around ten years, concerned members of the Catholic church who were aware of the goings-on have tried to point it out to Church authorities. Worldcrunch reported that, “In 2008, the group sent a 70-page document to all the bishops whose dioceses have shared ownership of Weltbild for 30 years, detailing evidence of the sale of questionable material.”

A spokesman for the church responded, “Weltbild tries to prevent the distribution of possibly pornographic content.” The previously mentioned group of Catholics were outraged at the hypocrisy in that statement.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/08/15/the-catholic-church-and-german-porn/

Catholic priest accidentally showed gay porn during presentation at a primary school

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Slideshow of 16 indecent images appeared on autoplay when priest inserted USB stick
    Father Martin McVeigh walked out of the room looking 'shaken and flustered'
    He says he has no idea how the images got on the memory stick

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124450/Catholic-priest-accidentally-showed-gay-porn-parents-presentation.html

Missouri Catholic priest pleads guilty in child porn case (http://Missouri Catholic priest pleads guilty in child porn case)

yeah I can find HUNDREDS more such posts...

Put Pegasus is NOT a religious platform... it was set up as a research site more for seeking estoteric knowledge and alternative sciences...

So stop wasting time on these thousand year old religious debates that do nothing but incite anger and frustration, and spend that energy on actually learning something

 8)

Hallowed are The Ori

*Those that wont believe will be slain upon the cross*
*their planets tortured*


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/04images/animations/gorean004.gif)



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 01:20:48 pm
Thats the origin of the word thug, eh?

From the sound of that news report, theyre coming back to mainstream again arent they?

Disturbing to say the least!

Petrus, did you know this about Kali, or have you maybe been reading some different stuff about her? As with other belief systems, there can be polar oppsoites within them, so maybe you havent done all the homework necessary to find the full story..I hope thats the case!
(Dons kevlar turtleneck)

Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 01:58:59 pm
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You and Undo say the secrets are 'in the wrong hands"

i said no such thing!   the point i was making was if he thought being a secret org automatically made their power evil, what of your reference to power being given out only to the "right people", and that such information could be disastrous in the wrong hands.   then i questioned what the right hands are, because i have no idea.  i was making an example of how calling masons evil because they are secretive, may be misdirected in the same way:  what are the right hands then (he brought it up first and i was making a point, which i apparently didn't do a very good job of)

  i'm in a belief system that just plops it all right out in your lap and it isn't hard to understand, there are no secrets and no mysteries.  the closest they come to that is metaphor, and the metaphors are defined in the same text anyway.  it's a belief system for the common person.  one that doesnt require you be a scientist to follow it, nor a mathematician but which can be richer and more vibrant the more you desire to learn from it.  i suppose that's true for any school of thought.

i'm getting frustrated here. you automatically think the worst of me no matter what i do
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: SarK0Y on August 18, 2012, 02:04:51 pm
c}  This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.

no one is Absolute Dominion in this Game (even God) + some things look Evil 'cause ye cannot see whole picture. Prime Goal 4 Universe always been Equilibrium & Darkness/Light only are instruments 4.  :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 02:09:02 pm
I for one, totally understand your disdain for the views Petrus shared earlier, Zorgon, and as a fellow initiate of sorts I must be flexible with the whole Freemason issue.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass what anyone believes :P

EVERY organization has good people and bad people... some are saints and truly want to help humanity and others are evil in the purest form and seek only to satisfy their own desires

But when I hear people that claim their religion is attacked by generalizations... the those same people use the same tactics and quote works of Crowley and Pike to make their point all I can do is shake my head in dismay

Makes one think... these people are not ready to learn anything :P

Funny though because this very knowledge they claim is being withheld is all over the internet today

You want to find about the Masons? Ask the Masons :P

My dad was a Mason. Did you know that 90% of Masons just go through the rituals and its just a Boy;s Club where they help each other in BUSINESS. I have all his books... they standard Masonic temples no longer teach  esoteric knowledge nor hold any secrets. Its just a men's club to further each other's lives by helping members get positions

ANYONE can Join  just need to go ASK

The Jews... they too help each other in Business... you can get a loan and support to start a business THREE TIMES from a synagogue. If you fail after the third time, they consider you not worth the effort. In fact it was an Orthodox Jew diamond merchant who loaned me $5,000.00 to start my first business ( a small jewelry store in Toronto for my wife) with ZERO interest. We spent hours talking religion, he even kept a big client waiting one day because we had gotten into it

The Moron Church also helps their own people. In fact they also help outsiders in need with things like rent and food... though they do ask that you attend some sermons in return.  A guy I know took advantage of that... Personally in my opinion  he is just a leach... True Mormons are obligated to pay a small percentage back to that fund... I see nothing wrong with that

Order of St Johns... the Knights... they provide free medical, hospitals and ambulance service in countries where they are allowed...

Phoenix Masonry

(http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/images/phoenix_graphic_2.png)

http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/

You want answers to the Mysteries of Life? You want to know what Secrets the Rosicrucians hold? Then JOIN and stop bitching about it :P

The doors are open to women and ALL religions

Is the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC, a religion?

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No. AMORC, which stands for Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, is not a religion and does not require a specific code of belief or conduct. Rosicrucian students come from a variety of cultural and religious backgrounds. Becoming a Rosicrucian student does not in any way require you to leave your church, join a church, or change your religious beliefs.

Some Rosicrucian members do not subscribe to any specific religious beliefs at all. For students who do, we encourage them to participate in the religion of their choice. As a result, Rosicrucian students come from every religious denomination, and through our teachings, many find a greater appreciation of the mystical principles underlying their individual religious and philosophical beliefs. Those who do not belong to any particular religion often discover a sense of connection with a higher intelligence that was missing in their lives before.

We don't expect you to accept anything on faith. We want you to think for yourself, to learn how to draw upon the higher knowledge already within you. What we provide are simply the tools to enable you to accomplish this. The Rosicrucian teachings contain practical exercises and experiments that allow you to demonstrate for yourself the principles presented in the lessons and to access your own source of inner wisdom and guidance. As you do this, you'll begin developing natural abilities that may have been left dormant throughout your life. Almost immediately you'll begin to see your life in a different light.

About the Rosicrucian Order (http://www.rosicrucian.org/about/index.html)

Of COURSE there is a FEE... nothing in this world worth having is free. :P despite what all you 'Hippy Types" want to believe. If its free its never appreciated. I can see that right here on this small forum and its in the world all around us at so many levels

You don't get a University Education for free either. Someone has to pay the teachers... they too have a family and need to eat

But that being said... all the knowledge from all these societies is posted all over the net and old books from these orders can be found even on Amazon

Problem is people are LAZY  They would rather believe what someone says on the net, someone who has never actually verified any of it, then take the time to truly look and study before making up their own mind

As long as one is busy attacking a philosophy... their mind is closed to any real knowledge.

I personally have taken great knowledge from MANY religions around the world and fit it into my own philosophy. ALL of them have merit and the older the works, the better

A Lama once said to an initiate... pointing out of the window of the Potala at the peopleand monks turning the prayer wheels in the courtyard. He said; "See those monks out there turning the prayer wheels? Well for them that is all the religion they need... and hence all that they will ever know"

Are YOU just turning those prayer wheels?

(http://www.devshoppe.com/images/graphics/prayerwheeltop.gif)
om mani padme hum

This thread needs CLEANSING :P  I will let Kelsang Metok do that. If you don't feel the Energy... perhaps there in no hope for you in this life time  :'(

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Tibet/Pretty_003.png)

Kelsang Metok: Sky Marriage

[youtube]mStXwUyeCFQ[/youtube]

Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley

[youtube]x6FoWskUO_U[/youtube]

A long time ago... before the internet, even before BBS systems... when I reached an impasse in my studies of the Great Pyramid, Sacred Geometry and the Tibetan Scrolls... I received a pamphlet in the mail.

At this time I had come to the conclusion that the only way I could advance was to visit Egypt and Tibet.  But since money was tight and the political situation in both Egypt and Tibet at the time was dangerous to foreigners it was not possible.

That pamphlet had on the cover... a picture of the GP and a Tibetan Monk in front of a stack of scrolls with a message "Do you seek the Ancient Secrets"  It was from AMORC, whom I had never heard of at the time.

I procrastinated... had real life issues at the time and then moved to Winnipeg for a job... It was December... I recall looking out the plane window at the total whiteout as snow blew across the runway like a fast moving ocean and I wondered WTF was I thinking. Temp outside was -30 celsius

Just before Xnas I recieved a card in the mail at the friends house I was staying at... addressed to me. No one but my mother and dad knew where I was staying at that point. The card was from the Rosicrucians adressed to me...

The rest as they say... is history

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Secret/Elements.jpg)











Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 18, 2012, 02:15:12 pm
So freemasonry has changed quite a bit on the esoteric front, the business side being the key goal now, eh?
The guys I dealt with offered to help me with mine, and were very accepting of me, the two who were odd, were just a couple among a large group here. Maybe I will join...what have I got to lose?
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 02:18:00 pm
i'm getting frustrated here. you automatically think the worst of me no matter what i do

No you just read things into my words that aren't there. You have told me many times on the phone that you don't agree that secret societies should be in charge of who gets to share that knowledge. I can go find some posts that back that up....

Perhaps you didn't mean it that way?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 02:24:14 pm
So freemasonry has changed quite a bit on the esoteric front, the business side being the key goal now, eh?

From DAY ONE LOL  but there are still certain Rites where the old knowledge is retained. That is why there are 33 levels :D  Even as a member you are not made privy to the knowledge of the level above you until you have mastered the level you are on.

Even the Churches follow that. A normal Moron cannot enter certain parts of the Temple... they have to earn that right by level

An ordinary Christian cannot gain access to the Vatican Vaults either...

A first year internet in politics will not have access to Pentagon meetings...

A first year Chemistry student will not be allowed to play in an LLNL fusion lab

... its all the same no matter which organization you belong to

And when I see people that cannot understand that logic... well what can I say but

enjoy your bliss...
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Primus58 on August 18, 2012, 02:52:47 pm
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Zorgon, you succinctly bring a balance that was necessary here, thanks! Freemasonry made great contributions to this country. I love Mandalas and other art done with spirit and deliberation. The artwork in the AMORC logos and other societies and religions can be soothing and inspirational. In their own way, the Freemasons are artists on many levels.  For me, just viewing sacred geometry is healing!

Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley was an amazing and beautiful video!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 03:13:10 pm
i'm learning all the time, but your tendency to criticize me constantly, is not making this any easier.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 03:20:46 pm
No you just read things into my words that aren't there. You have told me many times on the phone that you don't agree that secret societies should be in charge of who gets to share that knowledge. I can go find some posts that back that up....

Perhaps you didn't mean it that way?

well ideally it should be known by all, so we all get a say in how the information is applied.    but we don't live in an ideal world.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 03:22:34 pm
i'm learning all the time, but your tendency to criticize me constantly, is not making this any easier.

With all due respect... All the comments I made in this thread were in general...

But if you choose to continually make the show fit.. I cannot help that... nor do I intend to engage on that..

Nor do I intend to add a disclaimer to the effect that the comments were intended to be IN GENERAL

But it would be nice if we could have discussion on various belief systems without having to worry about bruising Eggos :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 03:30:15 pm
With all due respect... All the comments I made in this thread were in general...

But if you choose to continually make the show fit.. I cannot help that... nor do I intend to engage on that..

Nor do I intend to add a disclaimer to the effect that the comments were intended to be IN GENERAL

But it would be nice if we could have discussion on various belief systems without having to worry about bruising Eggos :P

i quoted you. you included me in that statement about "Wrong hands". how can that be me construing what isn't there?  you mean i'm not "undo"?  what i said was, and you can tell if you read the whole post, that if it makes sense to me that not just anybody should have access to all information, then this may also be the case for masons.   i mean, who is to say what the right hands are ? i have no idea. the idea some people are superior is not quite right either, since the system of hiding information may not as a result of one thinking they are better than another in all respects, but in the respect of who should have access to data and who should not.   it could be generalized and say, "the right hands to give sensitive information to, would naturally not include a motor mouth."    the person might be exemplary in other ways, or an all around great person, just not good at keeping secrets.  etc.

i think you were the one that read into my statement, things that weren't there and now you're projecting that on me.  like the guy who seemed to think that staring at my boobs and making his blood rush from his head, was equivalent to me being the one lacking brain power.  projecting. 



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 03:45:42 pm
well ideally it should be known by all, so we all get a say in how the information is applied.    but we don't live in an ideal world.

Well in my opinion Jesus had it right... Screw ALL religion... you don't need a church... believe or belive not... end of story...

Yoda said it "Do or do not, there is no try"

I disagree completely that all knowledge should be available to all people. For ever person of good intent there is another with evil intent.. Einstein gave us atomic energy... the first thing we did with it was nuke two cities

To believe that we should all have a say in how all knowledge is used is naive

You can buy Lasers on the internet... what do kids do? they point them at pilots and blind them and then they make YT videos on how to convert those laser pointers to actual burning lasers

And if what you say holds water why did Jesus pointedly say

“The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’ "

Seems He agrees with Me :P

But then He WAS a Rosicrucian Master after all... I mean what do you think he was doing all those missing years? Fishing?

 ::)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Rosicrucian/Jesus.jpg)

The origin of this beautiful painting can be traced back to the 1933 AMORC World Convention held at Rosicrucian Park in San Jose, California.   The September 1933 Rosicrucian Digest, contains a detailed report of the Convention, and mentions the painting on page 314 which I quote here...

    "Another surprise was the presentation by Frater Ballam, past Master of the Francis Bacon Lodge in San Francisco, of a beautiful painting of the Master Jesus and His Disciples on a canvas approximately sever by ten feet.  It was unveiled on the platform before the Convention with appropriate speeches and is to be on permanent exhibition in the Auditorium."


At the bottom left of this painting is the artist's signature W. Ballam.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/04images/Rosicrucian/detail_2.jpg)

For many years the painting hung in the RCU Building Auditorium and was often used by H. Spencer Lewis as a Temple backdrop for services of his Pristine Church of the Rose Cross.

He has two books available on Amazon

The Mystical Life Of Jesus
H. Spencer Lewis (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1258117258/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1258117258&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)

The Secret Doctrines of Jesus
H. Spencer Lewis (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0912057912/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0912057912&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)


Harvey Spencer Lewis F.R.C., S.·.I.·., 33°66°95°, Ph.D. (November 25, 1883 – August 2, 1939), a noted Rosicrucian author, occultist, and mystic, was the founder in USA and the first Imperator of Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC), from 1915 until 1939.

So as I said all the Secret information is available to ANYONE who takes the time to look for it without bias :P



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 04:04:09 pm
Maybe I will join...what have I got to lose?

Misconceptions :P

 ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 04:04:29 pm
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without bias


i said,  "but we don't live in an ideal world."
did you miss that part?  i think so. why do you keep erecting strawmen to shoot down?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 04:24:29 pm
i said,  "but we don't live in an ideal world."
did you miss that part?  i think so. why do you keep erecting strawmen to shoot down?

I saw that and I see you didn't answer my question why Jesus made that comment.  and that "bias" remark I made is true. Everyone is doing research based on their own bias as to what they interpret the facts to mean..

Did you notice I said "EVERYONE" not "YOU"?

 ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 04:24:46 pm
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For me, just viewing sacred geometry is healing!

As does videos like...

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Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley was an amazing and beautiful video![/color]

Here is another Tibetan Princess "Be as You Are"

Yangjin Lamu- Yangjin Lamu Yoga- Be as You Are

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 04:31:08 pm
I saw that and I see you didn't answer my question why Jesus made that comment.  and that "bias" remark I made is true. Everyone is doing research based on their own bias as to what they interpret the facts to mean..

Did you notice I said "EVERYONE" not "YOU"?

 ::)

i wasn't talking about everyone's bias or mine, when i quoted that. i was talking about your bias, particularly because you spent the next post criticizing me for belonging to a "church" i don't belong to, for sticking up for masons and rosicrucians, which you construed to be something else, in effect, every example i've made here, agreeing with you, you have spent accusing me of not agreeing with you and using that as an opportunity to further insult me as if agreeing with you were some horrible sin. 

screw it. 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: biggles on August 18, 2012, 04:47:14 pm
Petrus, I feel you would have been better off researching The Skull and Cross Bones Society or whatever it is the Bush's and the rest attended.

I dont know much about it, but it's probably got a lot more negative stuff than the Freemasons do.

Yes, the Freemasons are an all male society but they do do a lot for the community and they are not connected to witchcraft in any way.

And, as we know there are two streams of witchcraft, the pagans who are inherently good and the other branch which probably practice black magic.  Well I suppose their are white witches and black witches is what I want to say.

But when is all said and done I wouldn't worry about the FM; for a society that is no doubt up to no good I would watch that exclusive member only club the skull and crossbones; most of them probably go to Bohemian Grove; AND dont get me started on that bloody place again or so help me.  :P

And Zorgy you did swear you did.  :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 04:47:49 pm
I think you should do a locked thread about what you feel is the crux of freemasonry and how it has changed and been applied throughout the millenia, to share with us all the whole of your views about it.

I COULD do that  ...

I might call that section "Order of the Mystic Star"

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Mystic_Star_01.png)

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With a separate discussion thread, of course.:)
Then and only then can we discuss the subject from an enlightened standpoint, and make arguments and agreeances without conflict.

This is a separate discussion thread on it :P Those enlightened do not need to discuss or argue the validity... they do like you do in a library, a monastery or a even a church.. they quietly study and learn

I have use a church of no particular denomination many times just to d\sit in and meditate...

When I do bring threads out into the general view they will not be open to discussion... they will be libraries of information that the reader is free to look at and take what they wish from it.  Questions related to the material are one thing, but argument and discussion just add noise that soon makes it virtually impossible to view the knowledge on its own merit.

Sacred Geometry is a prime example... I have seen presnetations by Mystics, by Christians, by Masons and by Atheists... each lends their own slant to the subject... but in the end the SYMBOLS are not owned by any of them. They are theri in Nature for all to see.

But as I showed you the Hubble image expressseing that main concept in an exploding star... the all seeing EYE is there and the Universe created it.

So you see Masonic symbols in Sacred Geometry? Or is the reality that the Masons saw the symbols in Nature and THAT is why they used the principles in construction?

THE GP uses THREE principles of Sacred Geometry in its main construction... 1) Squaring the Circle. 2) The Golden Sections and 3) The Golden Mean  and as such also defines the value of PI to 5 decimal points

The US NAVY uses Sacred Geometry in an antenna array in Australia... specifically Metatron's Cube. Metarton being an Angel connect Sacred geometry to Christianity as does that picture depicting God as a Geometer (A Masonic Work)

What that means is that the SUBJECT is sound and crosses the boundaries of religion  and thus should be studies outside the bondaries of such religion


Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 04:55:03 pm
Prime Goal 4 Universe always been Equilibrium & Darkness/Light only are instruments 4.  :)

That is Profound Wisdom :D

To see balance between the light and the dark, to walk the path of least resistance along that neutral line between positive and negative.

To many people either support the light or the dark and forget about the balance found at the neutral point

(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmfwma_rKwgRjAH0_k1KuBqF0U6iiFBrpZa4qet1CTrB5xv0_q3g)

...here is a picture of the Universe  taken by NASA

The Cosmic Yin Yang

(http://www.chaos.org.uk/~eddy/img/misc/cobe_dipole.png)

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Explanation: Our Earth is not at rest. The Earth moves around the Sun. The Sun orbits the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The Milky Way Galaxy orbits in the Local Group of Galaxies. The Local Group falls toward the Virgo Cluster of Galaxies. But these speeds are less than the speed that all of these objects together move relative to the cosmic microwave background (CMB). In the above all-sky map, radiation in the Earth's direction of motion appears blueshifted and hence hotter, while radiation on the opposite side of the sky is redshifted and colder. The map indicates that the Local Group moves at about 600 kilometers per second relative to this primordial radiation. This high speed was initially unexpected and its magnitude is still unexplained. Why are we moving so fast? What is out there?

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030209.html

So there you have the proof of concept :D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: biggles on August 18, 2012, 05:01:04 pm
Your researching the wrong society for monsters Petrus..........try a few others.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 05:14:03 pm
Your researching the wrong society for monsters Petrus..........try a few others.

Monsters are found wherever you look for them :P

Hitler didn't like the Masons either :P It was one of the things that made him popular with the people


'Men of Letters.... Jews and Freemasons, armament industrialists and war profiteers, international traders and stock jobbers...."

...reading those words from his early speech you would think he was against all the stuff conspiracy nuts are against today

And then HE became the embodiment of all of them :P

[youtube]dsRTLMAchZY[/youtube]

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: COSMO on August 18, 2012, 05:19:04 pm
Monsters!!!!!!

Hide the cookies!!!!!!

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: biggles on August 18, 2012, 05:24:24 pm
Monsters are found wherever you look for them :P
Hitler didn't like the Masons either :P It was one of the things that made him popular with the people

Don't get pendantic Zorgy, I said there are plenty of societies where monsters can be found other than zeroing in on the masons.  Nuff said.  :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 05:42:03 pm
particularly because you spent the next post criticizing me for belonging to a "church" i don't belong to,


Where did I say you belonged to any Church?

I know you don't belong to any actual church yet call yourself 'christian" as a follower of Jesus. I have never said you belong to any church... but anytime someone uses that word "Christianity" to make any point you assume its an attack against you. I don't get it... I just don't

And I was flabbergasted at how that Christian Revival thread fell apart when the Intent was to be supportive of Christianity's message

Again  I don't get it    ???

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 05:44:43 pm
I said there are plenty of societies where monsters can be found other than zeroing in on the masons.  Nuff said.  :P

Well yeah... they under every kids bed too :P but what did you think of that Cosmic Yin Yang?

No one see the significance of that?

 ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: COSMO on August 18, 2012, 05:48:23 pm
Well yeah... they under every kids bed too :P but what did you think of that Cosmic Yin Yang?

No one see the significance of that?

 ::)

Sure do!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Cyanhide on August 18, 2012, 06:01:27 pm
Okay I just wanted to say something, I'm not quite there yet on secret societies actually i'm not quite there yet on any of the subjects posted P.R.C  :P

But an old saying goes "truth lies in the eye of the beholder"

That Yin and Yang really spoke to me thanks Z. Seems to me it clearly shows that Equilibrium is the only way the universe can work thus all of us.
perpetuum mobile comes to mind.
 

Cyanhide
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 06:05:40 pm

Where did I say you belonged to any Church?

I know you don't belong to any actual church yet call yourself 'christian" as a follower of Jesus. I have never said you belong to any church... but anytime someone uses that word "Christianity" to make any point you assume its an attack against you. I don't get it... I just don't

And I was flabbergasted at how that Christian Revival thread fell apart when the Intent was to be supportive of Christianity's message

Again  I don't get it    ???

well as you have pointed out yourself a kajillion times now but seem to want to call me out on saying the same thing, you don't have to belong to a church to believe in jesus.  why is it wrong when i say it, but not wrong when you do?

also that post was in response to me, so naturally i'm going to assume when you say things like you don't have to belong to a church, that it's directed at me.   you were responding to me, afterall.  in fact, this entire time you've been claiming i'm saying things i haven't and complaining about me in ways that i have given no indication i agree with or adhere to.  i don't belong to a church, but i still believe in jesus. i think you just proved the same is true for you.  where is the cut off here?   why are you not getting what i'm saying?  i'm speaking swahili or something?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 06:34:37 pm
well as you have pointed out yourself a kajillion times now but seem to want to call me out on saying the same thing, you don't have to belong to a church to believe in jesus.  why is it wrong when i say it, but not wrong when you do?

I have never said it was wrong for you to say it... again you are putting words in my mouth

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also that post was in response to me, so naturally i'm going to assume when you say things like you don't have to belong to a church, that it's directed at me. 

A mistake I will not make again for obviously just because I replied to a post by you I must therefor automatically be addressing everything I say to be about you...

As I said I will not add disclaimers anymore... but from now on I will not quote any portion of your post in my replies as it is obvious you cannot separate the difference

Stop ASSUMING... if you need clarification on anything I say then just ask... be happy to clear it up for you

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i don't belong to a church, but i still believe in jesus.

So you have said  and you also believe in Enki

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i think you just proved the same is true for you.  where is the cut off here? 

Well I believe Jesus existed as a man that had learned the ancient secrets of the mystical orders and became Master in one... You believe he came from God...  I can see a huge difference here... but maybe that is just me?   :o

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why are you not getting what i'm saying?  i'm speaking swahili or something?

Sumerian :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 06:38:41 pm
anyway, to clarify, just in case nobody noticed the first few times i said this:

I see the wisdom in not telling just everybody, dangerous or potentially dangerous information.  That makes perfect sense to me.  So please, erase from your minds the idea that I am calling Rosicrucians or Masons on the carpet for not telling everybody the secrets of their organizations. 

What I am doing, is questioning the veracity of the information, since I don't know what it is, and have no way of finding out without joining.  And I don't want to join something that requires I make oaths not to reveal its secrets, so the entire point is literally moot as far as I'm concerned. Which is why you don't see me posting threads on the subject.   What do you see me posting about are topics I do have some solid information on. 

Is it a problem?
 

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 06:40:34 pm
Okay I just wanted to say something, I'm not quite there yet on secret societies actually i'm not quite there yet on any of the subjects posted P.R.C  :P

Wow we have a ton of subjects here  even vegetable gardens :P Surely you must agree with... SOMETHING?  :P

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But an old saying goes "truth lies in the eye of the beholder"

I think I have mentioned that once or twice :D and "A thousand Monks; A thousand Religions" basically says the same thing

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That Yin and Yang really spoke to me thanks Z. Seems to me it clearly shows that Equilibrium is the only way the universe can work thus all of us.
perpetuum mobile comes to mind.

Yes when I first stumbled across that it was a real inspirational discovery... Actually physical proof that the universe operates on balance. And yes Perpetual motion is real... certainly within the confines of our limited existence anyway.

A Star is destroyed and new stars form from the chaos... Creation is Perpetually in Motion... it is happening as we speak... while we petty Hu-mpns argue about who is running the show :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 06:41:26 pm
I have never said it was wrong for you to say it... again you are putting words in my mouth

A mistake I will not make again for obviously just because I replied to a post by you I must therefor automatically be addressing everything I say to be about you...

As I said I will not add disclaimers anymore... but from now on I will not quote any portion of your post in my replies as it is obvious you cannot separate the difference

Stop ASSUMING... if you need clarification on anything I say then just ask... be happy to clear it up for you

So you have said  and you also believe in Enki

Well I believe Jesus existed as a man that had learned the ancient secrets of the mystical orders and became Master in one... You believe he came from God...  I can see a huge difference here... but maybe that is just me?   :o

Sumerian :P

okay smarty pants.  i'm gonna do this to you one day and see if you don't get confused.  like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 

no squirmy. hold still.  :D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 06:53:10 pm
Statement noted and filed for reference :P

What I am doing, is questioning the veracity of the information, since I don't know what it is, and have no way of finding out without joining.

Well as I have already pointed out you don't need to join anything to get the information. All the books of the Great masters are available in book stores, at Amazon and many since they are very old are online in PDF form at various university libraries. So saying you have to join is a strawman :P

In fact PRC and the Living Moon have them in our library... as fast as I can find them and process them

What you need to join for is to get the HANDS ON PRACTICE and that is for those who have decided that this path is for them.... 

I respect and admire the teachings of Tibetan Yogis.... that does not mean I am going to join a monastery and seal myself up in a cave to reach enlightenment... at least not this time around :P

It is sad that the Chinese under Mao destroyed all those monasteries and burned all those libraries though... a second Holocaust that came shortly after the one in Germany but didn't get the same coverage

So the only secrets withheld from non members is the METHOD of attaining the goals of that knowledge   and that requires a lifetime of dedication. 

But all the works from the ancient skills are available for the asking. It is the USE and INTERPRETATION that you join up to learn from a Master

I even have all the original works of Aleister Crowley in that collection... ;) but I don't think I need to promote people taking the dARK pATH :d

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And I don't want to join something that requires I make oaths not to reveal its secrets, so the entire point is literally moot as far as I'm concerned. Which is why you don't see me posting threads on the subject.   What do you see me posting about are topics I do have some solid information on. 

I don't recall ever having made an OATH... I DO recall being asked not to reveal the 'secrets' and allow the Masters to teach it properly

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Is it a problem?

Only when one topic gets redirected into another topic. If someone makes a topic about Martian weather...   and people know nothing about Martian weather, is it wrong to expect those people not to change the subject to conditions in Atlantis under the sea?

And yes that is a generalized example :P

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 07:02:21 pm
well let's put it this way,  the idea of having oaths is probably because there is information involved that is potentially dangerous, so naturally, i don't expect to find it in an online pdf.   i expect to see the "okay to show people" stuff.  the result is the same.   i don't know and to find out, i have to join and swear an oath, and i'm not going to do that. 

since i think jesus was of the atum, and that means he's a god and not just any god but one of the big three, and since i think he's alive, in a physical, divine body of some kind, at this very moment, i think asking him to tell me what i need to know, is a better idea anyway.  might not be the ideal route for data collection for some people, but it seems ideal to me.    i mean you can't go wrong asking the master directly now can ya?

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 07:10:41 pm

Only when one topic gets redirected into another topic. If someone makes a topic about Martian weather...   and people know nothing about Martian weather, is it wrong to expect those people not to change the subject to conditions in Atlantis under the sea?


what's this referring to?   i don't recall talking about atlantis under the sea but it sounds interesting!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 07:22:28 pm
like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 

Bad example  a belief in Jesus either as a man or son of god is not a prerequisite of being RC.

I don't take anything as "being directed at me" but at the same time anyone making a thread about Masons in general being MONSTERS is going to attract my attention  and comments :P

And frankly I don't care what anyone thinks :D but I will be more that happy to state my opinion without apology

Rosicrucians are a Philosophical and Initiate Organiazation...  not a Religion


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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 07:32:47 pm
what's this referring to?   i don't recall talking about atlantis under the sea but it sounds interesting!

Well see I cannot make a general example comment that you can understand. No matter what I say you insist on taking it both literally and directed at you

Fine then I will be more direct.

The Christian Revival thread started by Rdunk to show the positive aspect of Christianity degraded into a thread on the Horror of the Islamic world.  Not sure who even started that switch in direction because Pimander was covering most of that, but TWICE that thread was completely steered away from the original point.

The point of the Martian/Atlantis comment is people that don't know about a specific topic should be able to show enough constraint to allow other to stay on topic and not engage with a totally off topic redirection ...

But I guess I might as well be speaking Elvish

Aa' menle nauva calen ar' ta hwesta e' ale'quenle
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 07:33:44 pm
Yogis Of Tibet (2002)- Full Movie

[youtube]dOk0tZHwCs4[/youtube]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 18, 2012, 07:34:14 pm
Bad example  a belief in Jesus either as a man or son of god is not a prerequisite of being RC.



lol wait for it.

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...


...

i wasn't talking to you.  it was a generalized question to just whoever (even though it was directed to you and in response to something you said).    ; )

admit it.  i gotcha on that one.  come on, you can be wrong once in awhile.  nobody's perfect, or are they? :D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: COSMO on August 18, 2012, 07:45:46 pm
Yogis Of Tibet (2002)- Full Movie

[youtube]dOk0tZHwCs4[/youtube]

Thanks for the link, I will watch that later.  But I would like to point out that the yogis of Tibet got their knowledge from Buddha, who was an Indian and studied the Vedas.  Generally speaking.....lol

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 18, 2012, 07:54:27 pm
okay smarty pants.  i'm gonna do this to you one day and see if you don't get confused.  like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol 
no squirmy. hold still.  :D

Sorry no :P   the "smarty pants" was a direct reply to me and your use of the word you after that is in context referring to me...

If I am wrong... then tell me who "smarty pants" is :P

And yes I have been wrong many times... and have no issues saying so

But this is not one of those times :P

Now I need to go pick up my daughter and make food :P

So I leave yawl with some more Joyful tunes

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[youtube]9nGRP9E9Z8I[/youtube]

FREE TIBET!!!

 ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 18, 2012, 10:45:43 pm
I accept Zorgon's response to me.  My initial post in this thread was ego based.  This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.

I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy.  I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism.  An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 19, 2012, 12:05:45 am
I accept Zorgon's response to me.  My initial post in this thread was ego based.  This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.

I removed no post?   :o

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I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy.  I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism.  An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.

I only mentioned that because I recalled seeing the EYE on kali tears ago and it took only a few minutes to find it. The tongue sticking out on that image was shear serendipity :D

Things like that happen to me a lot :P

We ALL have Egos... heck I run around Las Vegas wearing a Crown and have people bow to me ; (willinly :P) as I have bowed to my Peers

An Ego makes us what we are... and is a good thing... only an Ego that cannot see beyond the mirror is a problem ;)

As for Masons... I am sure that some masonic or esoteric chapters do qualify as evil monsters :P. Don't forget that the Vril and the Thule societies were two that were not interested in the general good of the people :P

Now I will have to go see what post of yours was removed ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 19, 2012, 12:16:18 am
I removed no post?   :o

You didn't.  I did.  I made an initial response to you here, and then I removed it because I felt it was inappropriate.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 19, 2012, 05:59:21 am
No one see the significance of that?
I do not. :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 19, 2012, 06:36:08 am

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why are you not getting what i'm saying?  i'm speaking swahili or something?

Sumerian :P

Now, that was funny... ;)


Z, thank you very much for the doors you have pointed to,
we look forward to the journey.    :)

The Cosmic Yin Yang is beautiful to behold!

There are probably many more peeps following this thread than apparent,
but many of us may be apprehensive of being trampled (again)
by the more paranoid 'unsure' posters - so repress posting
so as not to 'inflame' those who (wrongly) take everything personally
(again) and so goes ANOTHER thread... :'(


So slyly one inserts references to 'hobbit...'    ;)
JRRT certainly is entertaining.    8)


Peace Love Light

tfw   (http://serve.mysmiley.net/animals/animal0028.gif) (http://)

Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 19, 2012, 07:32:30 am
There are probably many more peeps following this thread than apparent,

"They are not all accounted for, the lost seeing stones. We do not know who else may be watching."
    —Gandalf, The Fellowship of the Ring

This is something which I truthfully should have been more cautious of, on Above Top Secret.  It is tantalising to speculate, who else perhaps might have been provoked by my controversy, but who did not comment; over and above those who I did hear from. ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Lunica on August 19, 2012, 07:43:05 am
Free masons, code 144, coral castle.

From a thread in 2008 at ATS ;)

Interesting video, sometimes bad music...,  8)
[youtube]1gb0Bi8eqAA[/youtube]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: sky otter on August 19, 2012, 07:46:34 am
 ;D ;)

why should we jump in only to inflame
when
mighty Zorg can douse the flames with true intell and humor


an applauding observer  ;D

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 08:35:05 am
;D ;)

why should we jump in only to inflame
when
mighty Zorg can douse the flames with true intell and humor


an applauding observer  ;D

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Mornin, Queen of the Otters!;)

So true, Sky, we oft see the obvious and forget about the ones in the shadows watching our enrichening or our unravelling with an eye for our behaviour which can only be described as sorry and sad.

We should all, myself included, be aware of the impact of our outwardly devices, and realize those who may not be a part of the physical conversation, have every bit of right to deserve a quality discussion laid out for the betterment of us all.

As for these secret societies and such, many of us strike out at them, again, myself included, without first doing the deepest of research into the whole picture, and seeing how there are two sides to every book and story.

Zorgon has shown us that with just a little effort we can shift perceptions of certain things with the effort every subject deserves.

Pegasus, RESEARCH Consortium...I, as well as all, need to remember that center word, and live our lives by it if we are to advance even one small step back from lemming cliff.

This short thread has enlightened many Im sure, and will continue to do so, as a growing entity of truth and understanding.

Cheers,
Le

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Ellirium113 on August 19, 2012, 08:36:16 am
I accept Zorgon's response to me.  My initial post in this thread was ego based.  This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.

I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy.  I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism.  An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.

I have been observing this thread for a couple of days. I really don't know a lot about the teachings etc. of the secret societies but what I think is that there are so many of these secret societies you may have inadvertently bundled them all into a general Illuminati group. They are not. I believe that YES there is a group that does NOT have humanities interest at heart in their belief on how they world SHOULD be. Some of the teachings might even be the same as the other groups but the overall use of those teachings may be geared more to our demise than to actually help us. An example of this would be the Skull & Bones society. IMO you need to look at more groups and not bundle them in one basket. I don't think this was an ego thing so much as it was simply not researched as much as it should have been before you reached your conclusion.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 19, 2012, 08:54:10 am
An example of this would be the Skull & Bones society. IMO you need to look at more groups and not bundle them in one basket. I don't think this was an ego thing so much as it was simply not researched as much as it should have been before you reached your conclusion.

This is good advice.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 09:03:09 am
Heres a short list of prominent members of the Skull and Bones from the 40's onward.

Check out some of the names within you recognize and think of their achievements versus their evil deeds, then look to some which arent so familiar and imagine how theyve impacted us through the years...lets get to work Petrus!:D


1940s

 McGeorge Bundy (1940), Special Assistant for National Security Affairs; National Security Advisor; Professor of History, brother of William Bundy[3]:53

 Andrew Downey Orrick (1940), acting chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission[99]

 Barry Zorthian (1941), American diplomat, most notably press officer in Saigon for 4-1/2 years during Vietnam War[3]:173[100][101]

 David Acheson (1943), author, lawyer, son of Dean Acheson[3]:188

 Harold Harris Healy, Jr. (1943), lawyer, partner Debevoise & Plimpton[2]

 James L. Buckley (1944), U.S. Senator (R-New York 1971–1977) and brother of William F. Buckley, Jr.[3]:168, 174[102][103]

 John Bannister Goodenough (1944), solid-state physicist at the University of Texas at Austin[104]

 Townsend Walter Hoopes II (1944), historian, Under Secretary of the Air Force (1967–69)[3]:188

 William Singer Moorhead (1944), US Representative from Pennsylvania[71][105]

 James Whitmore (1944), actor[106]

 John Chafee (1947), U.S. Senator, Secretary of the Navy and Governor of Rhode Island, father of Lincoln Chafee[3]:168, 171

 Josiah Augustus Spaulding (1947), lawyer, partner Bingham Dana & Gould[107]

 Charles S. Whitehouse (1947), CIA Agent (1947–1956), U.S. Ambassador to Laos and Thailand in the 1970s.[3]:174

 Thomas William Ludlow Ashley (1948), US Representative from Ohio[3]:167–72

 George H. W. Bush (1948), 41st President of the United States, 11th Director of Central Intelligence, son of Prescott Bush, father of George W. Bush. His Skull and Bones nickname was "Magog".[3]:167–8[108]

 William Sloane Coffin (1949), CIA agent (1950–1953), clergyman and peace activist[3]:127, 196

 Daniel Pomeroy Davison (1949), banker, president United States Trust Corporation[109]

 Tony Lavelli (1949), basketball player[3]:169[110]

 David McCord Lippincott (1949), novelist and composer[111]

 Charles Edwin Lord II (1949), banker, Vice-Chairman of the Export-Import Bank of the United States[112]
 

1950s

 William F. Buckley, Jr. (1950), founder of National Review,[3]:41 former CIA officer

 William Henry Draper III (1950), Chair of United Nations Development Programme and Export-Import Bank of the United States[3]:174–5, 179

 Evan G. Galbraith (1950), US Ambassador to France; managing director of Morgan Stanley[3]:181, 187[113]

 Thomas Henry Guinzburg (1950), president Viking Press[114]

 Victor William Henningsen, Jr. (1950), president Henningsen Foods Inc.[115]

 Raymond Price (1951), speechwriter for Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Bush.[3]:173

 Fergus Reid Buckley (1952), author and public speaker[2]

 Charles Sherman Haight, Jr. (1952), Connecticut District Court judge[2]

 Jonathan James Bush (1953), banker, son of Prescott Bush[3]:145, 179

 William H. Donaldson (1953), appointed chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission by George W. Bush; founding dean of Yale School of Management; co-founder of DLJ investment firm[3]:166, 173[116]

 John Birnie Marshall (1953), Olympic medal-winning swimmer[2]

 James Price McLane (1953), Olympic medal-winning swimmer[117]

 George Herbert Walker III (1953), US Ambassador to Hungary[3]:164

 David McCullough (1955), U.S. historian; two-time Pulitzer Prize winner[3]:127

 Caldwell Blakeman Esselstyn, Jr. (1956), Olympic medal-winning rower, physician, author[118]

 Jack Edwin McGregor (1956), Pennsylvania State Senator, founder Pittsburgh Penguins[106]

 R. Inslee Clark, Jr. (1957), former Director of Undergraduate Admissions for Yale College; former Headmaster of Horace Mann School[3]:153, 176

 Linden Stanley Blue (1958), aviation executive[2]

 Robert Willis Morey, Jr. (1958), Olympic medal-winning rower[2]

 Stephen Adams (1959), American businessman, founder Adams Outdoor[3]:180

 Winston Lord (1959), Chairman of Council on Foreign Relations; Ambassador to China; Assistant U.S. Secretary of State[3]:174–5, 189[113]
 

1960s
 
John Kerry (Bones 1966) faced off against George W. Bush (Bones 1968) in the 2004 US presidential election, the first time two Bonesmen had run against one another for that office.[119] David George Ball (1960), Assistant US Secretary of Labor[3]:1960

 Eugene Lytton Scott (1960), tennis player, founder Tennis Week[120]

 Michael Johnson Pyle (1960), National Football League player[2]

 John Joseph Walsh, Jr. (1961), art historian, director J. Paul Getty Museum[121]

 William Hamilton (1962), New Yorker cartoonist[122]

 David L. Boren (1963), Governor of Oklahoma, U.S. Senator, President of the University of Oklahoma[3]:124, 158[123]

 Michael Gates Gill (1963), advertising executive, author[124]

 William Dawbney Nordhaus (1963), Sterling Professor of Economics at Yale University[2]

 Orde Musgrave Coombs (1965), author, editor, first black member of Skull and Bones[125]

 John Shattuck (1965), US diplomat and ambassador, university administrator[106]

 John Forbes Kerry (1966), U.S. Senator (D-Massachusetts 1985–present); Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts 1983–1985; 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee[3]:112

 David Rumsey (1966), founder of the David Rumsey Map Collection and president of Cartography Associates[2]

 Frederick Wallace Smith (1966), founder of FedEx[3]:172, 180–1[126]

 David Thorne (1966), United States Ambassador to Italy[3]:85

 Victor Ashe (1967), Tennessee State Senator and Representative, Mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee, US Ambassador to Poland[3]:181–2[127]

 Roy Leslie Austin (1968), appointed ambassador to Trinidad and Tobago by George W. Bush[3]:177, 181–2[128]

 George W. Bush (1968), grandson of Prescott Bush; son of George H. W. Bush; 46th Governor of Texas; 43rd President of the United States. His nickname was "Temporary" since he failed to choose a name.[3]:175–8

 Rex William Cowdry (1968), Acting Director National Institute of Mental Health (1994–96)[3]:177

 Robert McCallum, Jr (1968), Ambassador to Australia[3]:177, 181[129]

 Don Schollander (1968), developer; author; US Olympic Hall of Fame inductee; four-time Olympic Gold medallist swimmer[3]:126, 177

 Brian John Dowling (1969), National Football League player, inspiration for B.D. in Doonesbury[2]

 Stephen Allen Schwarzman (1969), co-founder of The Blackstone Group[130][131]

 Douglas Preston Woodlock (1969), US federal judge[132]

 
1970s

 Charles Herbert Levin (1971), actor[2]

 George Lewis (1974), trombonist and composer [133]

 Christopher Taylor Buckley (1975), author, editor, chief speechwriter for Vice President George H. W. Bush[3]:173
 

1980s

 Robert William Kagan (1980), co-founder of the Project for the New American Century[2]

 Michael Cerveris (1983), American singer, guitarist and actor[2]

 Earl G. Graves, Jr. (1984), president of Black Enterprise[134]

 Edward S. Lampert (1984), founder of ESL Investments; chairman of Sears Holdings Corporation[3]:180[134]

 James Emanuel Boasberg (1985), judge, United States District Court for the District of Columbia[106]

 Paul Giamatti (1989), Academy Award-nominated American actor[135]
 

1990s to present

 Dana Milbank (1990), political reporter for The Washington Post[136][137][138]

 Austan Goolsbee (1991), staff director to and chief economist of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board[139]

 Catherine Moira Sharkey (1999), Law professor New York University School of Law, clerked for Justice David H. Souter of the United States Supreme Court[citation needed]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 09:08:51 am
First one on the list.....

Quote
McGeorge "Mac" Bundy (March 30, 1919 – September 16, 1996) was United States National Security Advisor to Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson from 1961 through 1966, and president of the Ford Foundation from 1966 through 1979. He is known primarily for his role in escalating the involvement of the United States in Vietnam during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.

Hmmm, sounds like hes probably on a sh!t list or two...

Quote
Raised in Boston, Massachusetts, Bundy came from a wealthy family long involved in Republican[1] politics. His mother, Katherine Lawrence Putnam, was the daughter of two Boston Brahmin families listed in the Social Register. His father, Harvey Hollister Bundy, was from Grand Rapids, Michigan and was a diplomat who helped implement the Marshall Plan.
 
Bundy attended the elite Dexter School in Brookline, Massachusetts and then the Groton School, where he placed first in his class and ran the student newspaper and debating society. He was then admitted to Yale University, one year behind his brother William. At Yale, where he majored in mathematics, he served as secretary of the Yale Political Union and then chairman of its Liberal Party. He also wrote a column for the Yale Daily News. Like his father, he was inducted into the Skull and Bones secret society, where he was nicknamed "Odin". He remained in contact with his fellow Bonesmen for decades afterward.[2]

Elitist? possibly, but as we know, the Skull and Bones produces fine upstanding citizens with love in their heart for their fellow men....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IXQMF4g0l9g[/youtube]

Oh the first one shows promise for being a dastardly dude, eh?

Lets dig....

Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 19, 2012, 09:15:05 am
Quote
Michael Gates Gill (1963), advertising executive, author[124]

Any relation to Bill, I wonder?

I noticed three members of the Bush family were there.  I admit that I wasn't familiar with any of the other names, however; other than Kerry, of course.

I can remember reading about the parties that George HW Bush had supposedly been to; involving child sodomy, etc.  These people have been documented as complete psychopaths, or some of them, at least.  Supposedly the induction rituals are specifically designed to induce secondary psychopathy in any non-psychopath who might join.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 09:31:22 am
And heres number two...just getting rolling.....

Quote
Andrew Downey Orrick (October 18, 1917 – January 27, 2008) was a partner with Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe and the acting chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in San Francisco.

Sounds ok right?

An excerpt from one of his reports on the SEC in 1955...seems that Mr Orrick had a desire to keep wall street in check....

www.sec.gov/news/speech/1955/120355orrick.pdf

Quote
In conclusion,the present Commission is determined to use its vast regulatory powers to protect the public investors through aggressive and strict enforcement of the disclosure and anti-fraud provisions of the states without stifling or strangling the economic development of legitimate enterprises by  unnecessary or burdensome regulations.We intend to conserve Vigorously the tested virtues of the full disclosure theory.We intend to strengthen energetically our enforcement activities against unlawful practices in the purchase and sale of securities,and by regulating wisely,to continue to maintain favorable conditions for economic growth.

Sounds good to me, but I had to add every space in that quote, as when copied and pasted it all ran together...Hmmm a pdf text conspiracy? LOL!

So it appears the SEC had our best interest in mind, and dropped the ball at some point by holding back on the whip and letting the boys play naughty in the schoolyard!

Onward....

Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 09:36:33 am
Any relation to Bill, I wonder?

I noticed three members of the Bush family were there.  I admit that I wasn't familiar with any of the other names, however; other than Kerry, of course.

I can remember reading about the parties that George HW Bush had supposedly been to; involving child sodomy, etc.  These people have been documented as complete psychopaths, or some of them, at least.  Supposedly the induction rituals are specifically designed to induce secondary psychopathy in any non-psychopath who might join.

Hmmm, I bet that name Gates goes back farther than we realize, eh?

Was Billy boy groomed for his position and was he just made a puppet for the progression of an information gathering campaign which has become known as windows update?

Service pack my arse..more like Im being serviced by a unliscenced proctologist with dirty fingernails.....oops was that inappropriate? :o
Hmm?

Care to choose a name and play, Petrus, its fuuuun! :)

OK, gotta go buy some Indian food, for some reason Im feelin like a big plate of Vindaloo!

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 19, 2012, 09:53:11 am
Greetings:

Again, LE goes to head of the class - with class, as usual.    8)


"We should all, myself included,



be aware of the impact
of our outwardly devices,



and realize those
who may not be
a part of the physical conversation,

 

have every bit of right
to deserve a quality discussion
laid out for the betterment of us all."


Thank you, brother....

Now, fix that button!


Or dinner plate
for those bullet sponges
in Rio Linda    ::)



Peace Love Light

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 10:01:53 am
Thor, you are trip, brother!
Ill save some vindallo for yoo!
At the indian market now, anything I can pick up for ya?
:-):-):-):-)
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 19, 2012, 10:23:05 am
But I would like to point out that the yogis of Tibet got their knowledge from Buddha, who was an Indian and studied the Vedas.  Generally speaking.....lol

Are you positive about that?

 ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 19, 2012, 11:32:43 am
for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread,  or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice,  in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza!   holy tunafish!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 11:41:03 am
for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread,  or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice,  in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza!   holy tunafish!

Mr Munck's findings are undeniable, eh Beth? He had me hooked years ago! great stuff!
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 19, 2012, 11:46:18 am
Mr Munck's findings are undeniable, eh Beth? He had me hooked years ago! great stuff!
Le

i'm surprised there aren't whole threads on this.  it's evidence, incontrovertible evidence, that the megalithic monuments were not put together by primitive people and the extent of egypt's influence on the entire planet, in some cases, thousands of miles away.  every ufo researcher and giza researcher, should be all over this research like butter on toast!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 11:57:58 am
i'm surprised there aren't whole threads on this.  it's evidence, incontrovertible evidence, that the megalithic monuments were not put together by primitive people and the extent of egypt's influence on the entire planet, in some cases, thousands of miles away.  every ufo researcher and giza researcher, should be all over this research like butter on toast!

Indeed, Beth, the videos are addictive arent they?
Ill be home later, maybe Ill start a thread...sound good?:)

Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on August 19, 2012, 12:55:14 pm
Why are the Masons Monsters ?

 :o
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 19, 2012, 12:59:52 pm
Why are the Masons Monsters ?

 :o

i think he recanted on that. not sure.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 19, 2012, 01:00:25 pm
Indeed, Beth, the videos are addictive arent they?
Ill be home later, maybe Ill start a thread...sound good?:)

Le

yeah.  strange that no one has. the video is 1996!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on August 19, 2012, 01:10:02 pm
The mind controls the trumpets in this image.  The mind decides how to interact with this trumpet.

Some practises look up that long trumpet to the mind... others lay blame on the trumpet and the people that blow them.   

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Tibet/HH_15.png)

Please think before tarring everyone with a brush that they would not even understand. 



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on August 19, 2012, 01:29:40 pm
Why are the Masons Monsters ?

 :o

The creation of this thread, in general terms, was almost certainly a mistake.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on August 19, 2012, 01:47:58 pm
The creation of this thread, in general terms, was almost certainly a mistake.

I wouldnt say that ;)

People are always looking to blame somethig that is not blame worthy really :D


We ALWAYS lay blame at someone else for not waking up in the morning and doing something amazing, when in truth its our own fault for not doing that as all the teachings are there to learn, and in this day and age its so easy to gain that very knowledge if one applys themself!

Myself for example is a great of that.  I yearn to get back to Qigong and keep laying blame in a round about way at a few accidents that have screwed my knee up.  I can ofc do some of the practice but i have fallen into a comfort zone of being lazy. 

That is obviously a personal take on my own sitiaution of being a lazy blight upon myself.  The teachings are there, just need the will to get back to it and see what is amazing. 

 ;D

EDIT

I said WE Lay Blame instead of "WE ALWAYS LAY BLAME"
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 02:22:50 pm
Soma, please make that effort to get back to your qigong...you can do it sitting down and save that knee my friend!
I often do it while sitting or on my arse, and it gives me the total effect, sans the burning shins!LOL!
I just leave out the leg parts which in basic qigong arent really very necesary for the mind, just the body.

I hope you can find the strength to continue, mate,it makes a big difference in the day

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on August 19, 2012, 03:46:12 pm
yeah.  strange that no one has. the video is 1996!

Thousands of videos and files I picked and saved  have looked at maybe 25% of them so far but never saw this one.

Problem with the net now is too much information.. no time to process it :D

PRC was originally intended to be a site where a team would collaborate for processing it.

What happened was people would look at one document to process and that would set them off following the trails to more documents

So end result, instead of having that document processed, you have 10 more that need processing :P

The other thing is its a long video and he doesn't speak well so that will drive off most viewers. If you don't catch their attention in the first 20 seconds, they are gone

So..... your thread on this video is ummm where? :P

 ::)

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 19, 2012, 04:53:15 pm
Heres a short list of prominent members of the Skull and Bones from the 40's onward.
Another thing that you should remember when doing some research that you publish (in this case, in this thread) is to provide your sources, so anyone can repeat your work and see for themselves if everything is as you said or if they find something wrong/new about it.

So, source, please. :)

PS: the "[citation needed]" at the end makes me think "Wikipedia". :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 19, 2012, 05:02:03 pm
he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza!   holy tunafish!
Every megalithic monument? Did he made the calculations for all the thousands of megalithic monuments or did he chose just the ones that gave him the results he wanted? :)

PS: I didn't watch the video, I don't have almost two hours to spend watching something that may be nothing in the end. Could you point to when the video can we see something good? Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 05:04:41 pm
Hey armap, the first parts are quotes from wiki, which isnt all that bad, but I get your point with the smiley:-)
The first fellow was mentioned in the video from youtube with info as to the source on the video being the Massachussetts College of Law.
The second one was a quote from a pdf which I did provide a link to, easily clicked and checked...it was from a report from the SEC itself in 1955.
I dont mind using wiki to get the ball rolling but I think wiki is a bit untrustworthy to base an entire post on, unless the info is already verified for me somewhere else.

I think with the enormous list of names, we could have some fun looking these folks up and seeing where they f-ed up in their lives or careers...something skull and crossbones members seem to be very good at.
Im on my galaxy tab now, or Id repost the links...sorry:(

Cheers, ArMaP!
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 19, 2012, 05:09:59 pm
Every megalithic monument? Did he made the calculations for all the thousands of megalithic monuments or did he chose just the ones that gave him the results he wanted? :)

PS: I didn't watch the video, I don't have almost two hours to spend watching something that may be nothing in the end. Could you point to when the video can we see something good? Thanks in advance. :)

Well ArMaP, its a real hard video to just jump into, and there are three in the series..all very important. I cant think of a place you could pop into and get it from, youll just have to suffer, bro!
Besides, the guy is so pleasant to listen to....;)
Beth is right thoug, if you follow him along, the megaliths he points out are some of the most important and well known, and oldest as well....Cuicuilco being a favorite of mine due to its similarity to a cross between a pyramid and a mound.

Im not much of a math guy, but if you pause the film at the mathy parts and do the math yourself, it does work out...amazing.

Cheers, ArMaP!
Dave
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Lunica on August 20, 2012, 12:00:47 pm
for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread,  or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice,  in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza!   holy tunafish!

holy tunafish! Indeed
 
First time this year I was seriously Baffled :) For all those years I missed THIS ???????

Thanks Beth  ;D

Edit: @ArMaP -  This is the real deal... really :P 8)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 20, 2012, 12:13:27 pm
I knew all you guys and gals would love Mr Munck, hes a favorite of mine!:D
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on August 20, 2012, 12:21:33 pm
Soma, please make that effort to get back to your qigong...you can do it sitting down and save that knee my friend!
I often do it while sitting or on my arse, and it gives me the total effect, sans the burning shins!LOL!
I just leave out the leg parts which in basic qigong arent really very necesary for the mind, just the body.

I hope you can find the strength to continue, mate,it makes a big difference in the day

Cheers!
Le

LE LOL

I had a run of big accidents in the last year, one being caught in a tram track on my bike which was utterly bizzare how that became better nearly over night once i decided to bite the bullet to see a Qigong master here in Oz.  I kid you not thats how it worked, once i made the desicion to do that against my better judgement I got better and could roll out of bed without chest pain. 

I laughed a lot because my problem doenst lay in Standing Meds... Its the dang sitting ones that will be hard to do.  My right knee cannot extend into lotus.  Like you said though I have heard on my chosen practise that the effects can work just as well sat in a chair :D

I'm of the the belief that the Taiwan Qigong dude can sort out that knee for me though ;)

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Lunica on August 20, 2012, 12:22:50 pm
I knew all you guys and gals would love Mr Munck, hes a favorite of mine!:D
Le

I have some things to watch and read the upcoming time.  ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 20, 2012, 02:23:50 pm
Im not much of a math guy, but if you pause the film at the mathy parts and do the math yourself, it does work out...amazing.
I have only watched the first 10 minutes, and the way he "proves" that they had a system to make those monuments in specific places is a little strange. As we know, if we multiply 360 by 60 we get the number of minutes (coordinates), so it's easy to get any place close to 21600, 2160, etc.

For example, where I live (Almada): 38º 40' 40.89''  38*40*40.89=62152.8 -> not good
But if we do it the opposite way we will get the coordinates for one of those monuments near me (there isn't any, really, but there was a neolithic community a few km to the south of where I live.

Let's try 21600. 21600/38=568.42 568.42/40=14.21 According to this, the nearest monument south of where I live would be at 38º 40' 14.21''. Let's see north of where I live.
21600/38=568.42 568.42/41=13.86 meaning 38º 41' 13.86''.

The distance between those two points (according to Google Earth) is 1839.77 metres.

Let's try a different place.

21600/51=423.52  423.52/29=14.60 -> 51º 29' 14.60''
Now north of that point: 21600/51=423.52 423.52/30=14.11 -> 51º 30' 14.11''
This last coordinate is inside Buckingham palace's garden. :)

The distance between those two points is: 1839.52 metres.

So, with that method, he divided the Earth in parallels that are 1839.5 (roughly) metres away from each other, so it's not hard to find some monument in such an arrangement.

Now I have to look at the rest of his calculations. ;D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2012, 03:22:01 am
b}  That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.
Wrong.  And I speak as a non-Freemason, although my Grandfather was a senior Mason.

Freemasons are traditionally closely allied to socialist and democratic principles.  They are traditionally opposed to Plutocratic and undemocratic regimes and were behind movements like the Fabian Society, the French revolution (against Monarchy), the founding of the United States of America (fundamentally democratic) and the rise of Marxism (NOT SOVIET STALINISM!) - which for most of the last century was the only serious challenger to the abomination known as capitalism.  Even the Templars and associated Chivalric Orders (where much of Masonry descends from) were persecuted due to their opposition to the Roman Papacy (i.e. they OPPOSED IMPERIALISM)

However, some sections of Masonry were hijacked by Royal causes (in England leading to the United Grand Lodge of England) and obviously within Capitalism the power invested in many lodges have led to many evil acts from groups of Masons.  But Masonry is not a single entity and has never been so for centuries.  If there is a united grand conspiracy leading to annihilation of the human  race then it simply does not originate from or reside within Freemasonry.

Look to roughly 300 ruling families (many with "Royal" blood) and you will find your conspirators.  Many of them may be Freemasons and they may have a great deal of influence over many Masons.  Their conspiracy is not in essence Masonic though.  They are probably delighted with conspiracy theorists for this diversion and promote the idea that the conspiracy is Masonic for very obvious reasons - primarily because Freemasonry is essentially, by virtue of its principles, the most likely source of serious opposition to their long term goals.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 28, 2012, 03:53:56 am
pim

i dont think freemasons are historically democratic. i think they were intent on having the ability to forge their own destinies something socialism does not allow for.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2012, 04:00:31 am
i dont think freemasons are historically democratic. i think they were intent on having the ability to forge their own destinies something socialism does not allow for.
Historically no organisation was.  But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.

In what way would a socialist society stop somebody forging their own destiny? 

Remember real socialism aims to create a fair society where nobody is allowed to exploit others or own your labour or means of production.  Surely that facilitates freedom if it is not polluted by power brokers.  And yes, I know about human nature - that is why we make laws.  Laws can either promote or suppress freedom - that is nothing to do with socialism as a way of ordering society.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 28, 2012, 04:09:03 am
Historically no organisation was.  But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.

In what way would a socialist society stop somebody forging their own destiny? 

Remember real socialism aims to create a fair society where nobody is allowed to exploit others or own your labour or means of production.  Surely that facilitates freedom if it is not polluted by power brokers.  And yes, I know about human nature - that is why we make laws.  Laws can either promote or suppress freedom - that is nothing to do with socialism as a way of ordering society.

socialism allows the government to exploit your labor.  so you just trade your uncle frank, who hires you to supply his painting company with paintbrushes, for some guy who thinks of you as a number in a sea of numbers, could care less if you are happy or not, has no real interest in what you would like to do, and basically locks you into doing what they say you are qualified for, whether they are right or wrong.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2012, 04:23:43 am
socialism allows the government to exploit your labor.
No it does not.  It allows nobody to PROFIT from your labour.  Socialism is collectively owning things not exploiting people.

so you just trade your uncle frank, who hires you to supply his painting company with paintbrushes, for some guy who thinks of you as a number in a sea of numbers, could care less if you are happy or not, has no real interest in what you would like to do, and basically locks you into doing what they say you are qualified for, whether they are right or wrong.
Any viable modern form of socialism would have to encourage small businesses.  The aim would be to take massive enterprises that exploit thousands of people into public ownership and properly regulate them.  Also in todays world, with modern technology nobody would have to work many hours at all if labour was distributed fairly.

The idea that anyone would be forced or "locked" into a job is a nothing to do with a particular political system (except perhaps Fascism or Feudalism).  It should not be allowed in any system as it is slavery. You have workfare in the States don't you (working for benefits and doing the poopty jobs)?  Prison labour?  Is the USA not meant to be the epitome of capitalist freedom?  You have millions of unemployed.  Why?  Because under Capitalism there is no way to distribute wealth and labour fairly.  The solution?  Drop Capitalism but KEEP DEMOCRACY!

However you try to dress it up, capitalism will always tend towards more and more unfair distribution of labour and wealth.  It is not healthy.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: undo11 on August 28, 2012, 04:37:40 am
another problem with democracy is that it is mob rule. 
islam is based on socialism.  50% or more, here comes
the sharia law.
mob rule has historically shown its head in places like
witch burnings, lynch mobs, the terror of the french revolution,
and etc. if sufficiently manipulated, mob rule can be used to
convince large groups of people to vote for the deprivation
of people they don't agree with on  any topic, whatsoever.
nope, never give government that kind of freedom, cause
it will abuse it.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: sky otter on August 28, 2012, 05:47:34 am


just my two cents here..ignore if you like

democracy is great when it works correctly

socialism is great when it works correctly

the problem is not the system
the problem is when people get a bit of power they mostly abuse it
and when the next guy sees it they say..hey i want mine
then it all goes to hell as everyone grabs for a piece

it's the old saying like
it's not the gun that is the problem..it's the person holding the gun

as long as folks have choices..to help themselves or to help others
sadly most will take the easiest route

sometimes i really do hate to admit i'm human

sigh
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Littleenki on August 28, 2012, 06:09:54 am

just my two cents here..ignore if you like

democracy is great when it works correctly

socialism is great when it works correctly

the problem is not the system
the problem is when people get a bit of power they mostly abuse it
and when the next guy sees it they say..hey i want mine
then it all goes to hell as everyone grabs for a piece

it's the old saying like
it's not the gun that is the problem..it's the person holding the gun

as long as folks have choices..to help themselves or to help others
sadly most will take the easiest route

sometimes i really do hate to admit i'm human

sigh

Silly Sky Otter, youre an Otter remember!:D

Humans aspire to dream about being an Otter..what a lofty goal for us!

Last night I had an Otter dream, as I do often, them being my favorite living creature and all, and he was just following me along in the water as I swam, as they do in the rivers here in Florida. Then a friend came along and picked him or her up and the Otter seemd to like the attention for a bit then squirmed and got away.

Weird dream, but what it represents now I see is that youve pulled away from the conversations here with a wise short post which envelops the rights and wrongs of all political systems.

Any political ideology can be effected without too much disdain and disagreement, aside from a few like marxism and communism....which may work with the right applcation....and become a balanced state.

Where said state goes wrong is when you mix in a couple loonies who have ulterior motives and sick agendas, and it all goes to he!!.

We should allow the government to hold the gun, but not without the safety on, until a safe feel for it has been established, and with our current way of flipping and flopping back and forth from one to the other, its no wonder weve shot ourselves in the foot...and every other body part as well.

Freemasonry is just another ideal, like the rest, albeit with the origins of knowledge in the right place for the most part.

You certainly are a wise Otter;)

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on August 28, 2012, 06:35:16 am
if sufficiently manipulated, mob rule can be used to
convince large groups of people to vote for the deprivation
of people they don't agree with on  any topic, whatsoever.
nope, never give government that kind of freedom, cause
it will abuse it.
I agree with this.  That is why a good constitution (no written one here in the UK!) is also important.

What I see happening in many countries though is Police states where official secrecy (and wars) allows governments to do unconstitutional things so unfortunately the constitution applies to every citizen but not to the Government as an entity.  This gives governments (socialist, fundamentalist AND capitalist) more power than its citizens even when there is so called democracy.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: guerande on August 28, 2012, 06:56:17 am
Almada ... make me think of Lisboa, one of the most nice town in Europe !
and I know most of the european capitals ...
Armap, you're lucky !
If one day I m going throught Lisboa,  may I ring ? and we'll maybe have a
ginja ?  :)
I've allways been in love with Portugal, since my buzziness with that country
forty years ago - OMG  :(
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: robomont on August 28, 2012, 07:00:37 am
i say no gov.just worship me and live in peace.
my only rule.be nice.
or else.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: sky otter on August 28, 2012, 09:06:02 am


ah LE
cool dream ..cool interp

but i am human ..sigh..well the body anyway..
so gotta due the best by it...
there are still a lot fo good folk
but dang if i'm not seeing the worst of them lately

wishin and hopin for a better way won't get it done
we have to step up where we can

unfiortunately when humans are in distress..like now
they do things they normally wouldn't
reaaly really good things to help others
and no so good things to help themselves
the extremes

sigh..back to thsoe beets.. ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Lunica on August 28, 2012, 10:39:44 am
LOL, cant help it. Every time I see the title of this thread I have a need to respond to it.

My father is officially a third grate Free Mason.

Nah.. he is not a Monster ;) wait! euh.. I guess?????????  (looking under his bed)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2012, 03:30:58 pm
Freemasons are traditionally closely allied to socialist and democratic principles.  They are traditionally opposed to Plutocratic and undemocratic regimes and were behind movements like the Fabian Society, the French revolution (against Monarchy), the founding of the United States of America (fundamentally democratic) and the rise of Marxism (NOT SOVIET STALINISM!) - which for most of the last century was the only serious challenger to the abomination known as capitalism.  Even the Templars and associated Chivalric Orders (where much of Masonry descends from) were persecuted due to their opposition to the Roman Papacy (i.e. they OPPOSED IMPERIALISM)
Adding to what you wrote, here in Portugal most of the first republican politicians were Masons, and today many politicians (mostly from the centre-left Socialist Party) are known Masons.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on August 28, 2012, 03:42:23 pm
Almada ... make me think of Lisboa, one of the most nice town in Europe !
I live in Almada since 1970, but I was born in Lisbon. :)

Quote
If one day I m going throught Lisboa,  may I ring ? and we'll maybe have a
ginja ?  :)
I don't like ginja, but why not? :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: WarToad on August 29, 2012, 09:19:08 am
Both my Brother-in-law and an Uncle are Masons, both of them very nice guys.  Either one of them is happy to tell you what goes on behind closed meeting doors, especially after a few too many  beers.  Upcoming fundraisers, a parade they need volenteers for, Bill had a heart attack and we're sending a card, the hot new Postmistress 1 town over, update on paid bills and current savings, new BBQ joint in town owned by a Vet, officer vacancy, food drive at St. Catherine's next week, anyone have a bobcat we can borrow next saturday, ect ect ect...

If you were a fly on the wall at a Masons meeting, you'ld soon be a very bored fly on the wall at a Mason meeting.  They are not monsters, they are men, it is a very old fashioned form of social and business networking.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on August 30, 2012, 04:59:43 am
Adding to what you wrote, here in Portugal most of the first republican politicians were Masons, and today many politicians (mostly from the centre-left Socialist Party) are known Masons.
Exactly.  The situation is similar in the UK and France.

I see so much absolute nonsense written about Masonry.  It seems as though Westerners are oblivious to the fact that most of the freedoms they have today are in no small part a result of the work of Masonic Lodges.

Lodges, due to their behind closed doors meetings and close bonds of trust, are perfect for organising moves against oppressive regimes.  Republican movements and causes with a strong social justice ethos are good examples of this.

If you look into the History of French, U.S. or Portuguese Republicanism, British democratic movements and more you will always find that there are, in the background, groups of Masons, Rosicrucians or similar.  The key players are almost always from these groups.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Glaucon on April 08, 2015, 01:59:13 pm
Well you COULD learn about Sacred Geometry right here... I have a really good thread about it here... but not mentioning the Masons and RC in context with it? Not possible :P

And using Pike and Crowley as source material? You people make me laugh....

The fact that you wince when you see the eye everywhere when you don't understand it, tells me perhaps it is best I leave that thread in the Mystic Secret room after all....

You and Undo say the secrets are 'in the wrong hands"  and you both say who are they to decide who gets to see it...  but either one of you can simply join and have access to those secrets... once you show you have a serious will to learn

Do you think either of you are 'the right hands' to hold such information?

Here is one example on the extreme end...  I know how to make a nuclear device but have no interest in making one...  you think that info should just fall into the hands of everyone?

Medical schools teach you how to be a brain surgeon... yet that knowledge is kept 'secret' from the masses until you pay your tuition fees and have a basic background in medical skills. Even once you reach that 'level', many fail and never become a practicing brain surgeon

The Mystery Schools are no different. You want to learn how Jesus moved that mountain, you need to learn the basics and how to control it. And yet ALL that knowledge today is freely available on the internet  LOL  I myself have spent decades showing it.

But people like you are more interested in bad mouthing a group based on preconceived notions and what you have heard on the net... that you don't take the time to LISTEN to what is being said.

There is a course on Sacred Geometry at one College that has it online. I have posted that several times... yet no one responded save a few off the cuff comments. University of Wisconsin/Madison has the original Emerald Tablet documents... the Hermwtic Works  I have those here and on my website... but the few that have looked at them cannot understand them and prefer to use web versions written by people with no Hermetic teaching

But you would be biased anyway as the are Rosicrucian Works  just like the Bible is a Christian Work...

There is anothe course in Sacred Geometry presented by a Christian Artist... and though he uses the word God a lot... he too has to cover the Eye :P  But then he understands and has no problem separating knowledge from Religion even though he has his personal belief

Rdunk created a thread on here trying to show the POSITIVE side of Christianity. Yet the very people that have made claims about how Christianity is always attacked... ended up derailing that thread several times and turning it once again into a bash fest. Pimander split it... but NO ONE went to the split thread to continue the off topic nonsense...

Neither Pimander or I are Christians but we gave Rdunk the opportunity to present his religion in a positive light... but look what happened? Even those who should be most supportive of his attempt fell back into the same old attack/counter attack routine.

Now you come and start a thread calling Masons. Etc Monsters.... and you think you are ready to receive knowledge?

Well I don't think this knowledge would be in the right hands if it was to land at your feet. :P In fact I am more inclined to believe that;

A) You would twist it to suit your beliefs
B) Not fully understand it because you are already biased about the source
C) you have not yet reached maturity enough to put aside your need to attack that which you do not understand

Until you can free your mind from this fear of other philosophies you will never be in the right frame of mind to understand the secrets of the Universe

You Petrus has claimed to be a Kali worshiper. To many that is worshiping a vile EVIL deity...

But you say you cannot look at Mason stuff because that EYE keeps popping up...

Well to you I say ..

YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE 

Because any true Kali worshipper knows the true meaning of the EYE

(http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/kali1.jpg)

And since Kali is part of Hinduism, every TRUE Hindu knows the body is the  temple

The Hindu : Life & Style / Metroplus : The body as temple (http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article2817466.ece)

So until all you bashers can put aside your own biases long enough to LISTEN to real knowledge... you will NEVER be ready to learn the Ancient Secrets and will always be like Jesus said;

“The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’ "

Yoda:

“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”

Luke:

“I can’t believe it.”

Yoda:

“That is why you fail.”

Put aside your hatred of other belief systems long enough to LISTEN to what the other guy has to say and understand that your belief (generic 'your') is not the ONLY truth

You cannot learn anything new when you vilify the very ones who possess that which you seek

BTW hear is your FIRST lesson in Sacred Geometry in the Universe itself thanks to Hubble

(http://www.wolflodge.org/bluestar/godeye_big.gif)

When your ready to put aside your bashing and learn, give me a call ;)
I'd just like to revive this thread from the dead....and quote this for posterity.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 12:21:10 pm
I see so much absolute nonsense written about Masonry.  It seems as though Westerners are oblivious to the fact that most of the freedoms they have today are in no small part a result of the work of Masonic Lodges.

There is a reason for that...

Remember the USA?  It once had FREEDOM  This Freedom was created by Rosicrutions/Free Masons...  it was a Grand Idea  a real Master Plan... A NEW WORLD... a NEW ATLANTIS

THINK about this  let it sink in... Benjamin Franklin designed the Great Seal of the USA with the Eye over the Pyramid. Atlantis and Lemuria are in the Rosicrucian camp.

Then in 1914... the Banking Cabal in the name of the Rothshilds got Woodrow Wilson to sign them back into control by creating the PRIVATE companies the Federal Reserve and the IRS

Ever since then there has been a push by the OWO (Old World Order) to make ANYTHING that suggests NWO to be EVIL  THEY want to maintain the OWO at all costs   THEY made people hate Masons and thus all "Illuminati"

Knights of St John  offer FREE hospital and ambulance serveice around the world... they are illegal here because FREE is unfair compitition  (They operate in Canada though... free first aid and ambulance service)

The Shriners  offer kids hospitals and help children around the world

All the fear and hype generated against the Masons etc is all created by the Banking Cabal who want to maintain the OWO

Simple as that  and once people wake up to that truth, perhaps things will change
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 12:35:58 pm
If you were a fly on the wall at a Masons meeting, you'ld soon be a very bored fly on the wall at a Mason meeting.  They are not monsters, they are men, it is a very old fashioned form of social and business networking.

My father was a Mason...  I could have joined by default but they required a belief in a God :P  I chose the Rosicrucain/Tibetan path

You are correct in that most Masons are simply a case of brother helping brother to achieve. You have a position available in your company, you offer it to a Brother first.  Your Brother needs a loan, you help out your Brother

If everyone did this the world would be a happier place

Outsiders however are jealous of this sharing and get bitter. They could easily join and get the same benefits but they chose to play ostrich and play the martyr.

Jews have a similar system, so do Mormons.

A Jew can go to the Synagogue and ask for a loan for a business. It will be given with no questions asked. Not only that but you can do this THREE TIMES...  If after three times you still fail they kinda figure you are worthless... literally three strikes and your out.  These "loans' are generally forgiven. I know because even as a German I had an Orthodox friend in the diamond business who gave me a $5,000 loan to start my first jewelry business. He literally told me he didn't expect it back

The Mormon;s give 10% of their earnings to the Church... that money is then used to help those in need. Even a non Mormon can get help from the church... a friend in the Renaissance  game was short on rent. They covered him for 6 months  All he had to do was attend 2 sermons a month.

The Masons and similar groups are really simply a Brother help Brother otganization...

However at the higher Degrees there is more to it... and usually those people share the power positions in Politics etc...

Traditionaly the RC and the Masons had the same roots  Literally they were the stone masons. the builders.  The RC went the route of Esoteric pursuits while the Masons focused more on Brotherhood  (The first Unions :P ) 

My father was a nobody, just an ordinary worker... yet when he joined the Masonic lodge  he soon became a manager at Simpson Sears in Toronto in the main downtown branch

So why do people fear them and are jealous? Why listen to BS on the internet? Why not join and find out? LOL  I hear they need members
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 12:50:08 pm
If you look into the History of French, U.S. or Portuguese Republicanism, British democratic movements and more you will always find that there are, in the background, groups of Masons, Rosicrucians or similar.  The key players are almost always from these groups.

Funny you mention the French :P

Let me share "Une Petite Histoire"

I am going to toss an Immortal into the mix here... because he is directly involved and it is time I completed my research on him

Now this Immortal has popped up a lot in many stories... it is possible that he is/was Sir Francis Bacon (who was Shakespeare) and he is traced to Romania and entwined with the Count Dracula stories. In this story he is known only as "the Professor"

Whether or not the "Professor" really is the Immortal is not relevent because he was real and played a key role in the creation of America  the New Atlantis...  The name of the Immortal is Count of St. Germain.

I will explore all that later :P

But here is how the Rosicrucian/Masons started America

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/voltaire2.jpg)

The LeMarchand puzzle box known as The Child's Own Losses was first purchased by Voltaire at his Ferny Estate during one of LeMarchand's legendary auctions in 1749.  Voltaire later presented the box as a gift to the Grand Master of the Nine Sisters Lodge in Paris - Benjamin Franklin.

Philip LeMarchand first met Benjamin Franklin during a Masonic conference in New York, 1753.  The two shared interests in natural science and the hidden sciences of the Occult.

They made several trips to Europe together in the 1770s.  They primarily stayed in London but often dared travel to Paris with LeMarchand in disguise so as to not alert "the authorities" to his return.  During these journeys, Franklin made a point to always publicly introduce LeMarchand as "The Professor."

It was Franklin who introduced "The Professor" to George Washington in 1775 at a dinner party held for the American flag committee.  It is said that LeMarchand (as the Professor) "put forward several proposals about the design of the flag which were eagerly accepted by the committee without argument."

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/us_flagprop1.jpg)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/Committee.jpg)(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/us_flagprop2.jpg)

"When the dinner party broke up and the other committee members left for home, the Professor remained in conversation with Franklin and Washington for several hours.  He predicted to the two statesmen that America would soon take its rightful place as a new nation recognized by all governments of the world and was destined to be a future leader of civilization."

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/FranklinWashington.jpg)

"He was referred to merely as the Professor and was described by those who met him as an elderly man who was very well read and extremely knowledgeable about historical events of the previous century as if he had witnessed them.  He was a vegetarian, was accompanied by a large oak chest containing rare books and ancient manuscripts."

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/franklin2.jpg)

Benjamin Franklin

"One of the most influential figures in the American Revolution was the writer, philosopher and scientist Benjamin Franklin.  He was a Quaker but had become a Freemason in 1731 when he joined the Lodge of St. John in Philadelphia, which was the first recognized Masonic lodge in America.  At the time he was inducted Franklin was working as a journalist and he wrote several pro-Masonic articles which were published in The Pennsylvania Gazette.  In 1732 he helped draft the by laws of his lodge and in 1734 he printed the Constitutions which was the first Masonic book ever issued in America.  He eventually rose to Grand Master of the St. John's lodge and in 1749 was elected Grand Master of the Province.  While in France in the 1770s, as a diplomat for the American colonies, Franklin was made Grand Master of the Nine Sisters Lodge in Paris.  Members of the Lodge included Danton, who was to play a crucial role in the French Revolution, the Marquis de Lafayette and Paul Jones, both of whom fought in the American War of Independence.  While in Paris Franklin used his Masonic contacts to raise funds to buy arms for the American rebels."

Michael Howard, The Occult Conspiracy - Secret Societies - Their Influence and Power in World History

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/FranklinsCircle.jpg)
Franklin's Magic Circle Configuration ( Ask Matrix Traveller about THIS one :P )

Franklin, was also a Rosicrucian Grand Master, who was at the heart of the Illuminati operations to take over America and replace the visible control of the British Empire with the invisible control of the secret brotherhood, the most effective and ongoing form of mastering the underclass.  It is said the Illuminati, via the Freemasons, controlled and manipulated both sides in the American War of Independence and were also deeply connected with the French Revolution (1789).

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/COLPic2.jpg)

Franklin was Agent 72 of the British intelligence agency created by Dr. John Dee and Francis Bacon during the rein of Elizabeth I.  During their time in London, Franklin and the Professor were brought into contact with those in positions of power who shared their Masonic and occult interests.  One of these was Sir Francis Dashwood, the English Chancellor of the Exchequer who was also the founder of a secret society called the Friars of St. Francis of Wycombe, more popularly known in the parlors of London as the Hell Fire Club.

Franklin and LeMarchand spent a summer at Dashwood's estate in West Wycombe, north of London, where they took part in rituals in the specially-created caves dug on Dashwood's orders.

Dashwood and Franklin, both postmasters, together were able to control and disseminate intelligence better than the military.  Postmaster at this point in history meant spymaster as the postmasters controlled the movement of information.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/COLPic3.jpg)

"Did this day Heliograph intelligence from Doctor Franklin in Paris to Wycombe."  ~ John Norris, Agent of Dashwood in a letter dated June 3 1778.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/01archives/ChildsOwnLosses_files/36Craven1747.jpg)
Craven Street Map, 1747.

In 1998, during an excavation under Franklin's former home at 36 Craven Street near Trafalgar Square in London, the remains of ten bodies (six of them children) were discovered.  It has been proposed that Franklin and his house mate may have been acquiring bodies for medical research and not for occult purposes.  In either case, no trace of LeMarchand's "most colorful creation" was ever found among Franklin's estate.
The Sunday Times | February 11, 1998 - Currently archived at TheForbiddenKnowledge.com

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Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 12:54:02 pm
THE MYSTERIOUS ROSICRUCIAN WHO WAS
THE FATHER OF THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC


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Comte de Saint Germain, a.k.a. "The Professor"

Chapter Eleven from:
Great Secret: Count St. Germain
by Raymond BernardThroughout his life, Francis Bacon's fondest hope was the, creation of a Utopia across the Atlantic, the realization of his "New Atlantis" in the form of a society of free men, governed by sages and scientists, in which his Freemasonic and Rosicrucian principles would govern the social, political and economic life of the new nation. It was for this reason why, as Lord Chancellor, he took such an active interest in the colonization of America, and why he sent his son to Virginia as one of the early colonists. For it was in America, through the pen of Thomas Paine and the writings of Thomas Jefferson, as well as through the revolutionary activities of his many Rosicrucian-Freemasonic followers, most prominent among whom were George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, that he hoped to create a new nation dedicated to his political philosophy.
In his Secret Destiny of America, Manly Hall, Bacon's most understanding modern scholar, refers to the appearance in America, prior to the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, of a mysterious Rosicrucian philosopher, a strict vegetarian who ate only foods that grew above the ground, who was a friend and teacher of Franklin and Washington and who seemed to have played an important role in the founding of the new republic. Why most historians failed to mention him is a puzzle, for that he existed is a certainty.

He was known as the "Professor." Together with Franklin and Washington, he was a member of the committee selected by the Continental Congress in 1775 to create a design for the American Flag. The design he made was accepted by the committee and given to Betsy Ross to execute into the first model.

A year later, on July 4, 1776, this mysterious stranger, whose name nobody knew, suddenly appeared in Independence Hall and delivered a stirring address to the fearful men there gathered, who were wondering whether they should risk their lives as traitors by affixing their names to the memorable document which Thomas Jefferson wrote and of whose ideals Francis Bacon, founder of Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, was the true originator.

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The flag unfurled at Cambridge, Mass. in 1775, which the Professor designed, symbolized the union of the colonies; it was called the Grand Union Flag, and its design was as follows: In the blue field of the upperleft-hand corner was the white diagonal cross of St. Andrews. Imposed on this was the Red Cross, which was given the name of St. George. The thirteen stripes, seven of red and six of white, alternating in the flag, represented the thirteen colonies.
The flag was used for some time, but owing to its similarity with the British flag, which supposedly symbolized the unity of England and Scotland, considerable controversy arose over it. In order to overcome this objection, in 1776 it was decided to design another flag which would follow the spirit of the original design; and the inverted triangle over the upright triangle, generally known as the St. Andrew's Cross, a Masonic symbol of Kabbalistic origin and denoting that the originator of the flag was a Freemason and Rosicrucian, was preserved by using a six-pointed star, placed in irregular fashion on a blue back-ground in the form of a new constellation.

When General Johnson and Doctor Franklin visited Mrs. Elizabeth Ross, otherwise known as Betsy Ross, to get her cooperation in making the flag, the five-pointed star appealed to her as being more beautiful than the six-pointed star of the Professor's original design which the committee accepted. Hence, out of deference to her sense of beauty, the five-pointed stars were used instead, and thirteen of them were placed in a circle on a blue field with the standard seven red and six white stripes completing the flag.

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This sample flag was made just before the Declaration of Independence, although the resolution endorsing it was not passed by the Continental Congress until July 14, 1777.
A second time did this mysterious stranger, the "Professor," whose name and origin was unknown, pay a vital role in American history. This time it was at the signing of the Declaration' of Independence. It was on June 7, 1776, that Richard Henry Lee, a delegate from Virginia, offered in Congress the first resolution declaring that the United Colonies were, and of right ought. to be, free and independent states. Soon after Mr. Lee introduced his resolution, he was taken sick and returned to his home in Virginia, whereupon on June 11th, 1776, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Roger Sherman and Robert Livingston were appointed as a committee to prepare a formal Declaration of Independence.

On the first of July, 1776, the committee made its report to Congress. On the second of July, Lee's resolution was adopted in its original words. During the third of July, the formal Declaration of Independence was reported by the committee and debated with great enthusiasm. The discussion was resumed on the fourth, Jefferson having been elected as chairman of the committee.

On July 4th, there was great suspense throughout the nation. Many were adverse to severing the ties with the mother country; and many feared the vengeance of the king and his armies. Many battles had been fought already, but no decisive victory had been won by the rebel colonists. Each man in the Continental Congress realized as Patrick Henry did that it was either Liberty or Death. A rash move could mean death. After all, they were not free but subjects of a king who considered them as rebels and could punish them accordingly. They could be convicted for treason and put to death.

Just what connection did the mysterious stranger who designed the American flag and encouraged the signing of the Declaration of Independence have to Francis Bacon or Count Saint-Germain? Writing on this subject, Manly Hall says:

"Many times the question has been asked, Was Francis Bacon's vision of the "New Atlantis" a prophetic dream of the great civilization which was so soon to rise upon the soil of the New World? It cannot be doubted that the secret societies of. Europe conspired to establish upon the American continent 'a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.' Two incidents in the early history of the United States evidence the influence of that secret body, which has so long guided the destinies of peoples and religions. By them nations are created as vehicles for the promulgation of ideals, and while nations are true to these ideals they survive; when they vary from them, they vanish like the Atlantis of old which had ceased to 'know the gods.'"
In his admirable little treatise, "Our Flag," Robert Allen Campbell revives the details of an obscure, but most important, episode of American history—the designing of the Colonial flag of 1775. The account involves a mysterious man concerning whom no information is available other than that he was on familiar terms with both General Washington and Dr. Benjamin Franklin. The following description of him is taken from Campbell's treatise:
"Little seems to have been known concerning this old gentleman; and in the materials from which this account is compiled, his name is not even once mentioned, for he is uniformly spoken of or referred to as 'the Professor.' He was evidently far beyond his threescore and ten years; and he often referred to historical events of more than a century previous just as if he had been a living witness to their occurrence; still he was erect, vigorous and active—hale, hearty and clear-minded, as strong and energetic every way as in the prime of life. He was tall, of fine figure, perfectly easy, very dignified in his manners, being at once courteous, gracious and commanding. He was, for those times, and considering the customs of the Colonists, very peculiar in his method of living; for he ate no flesh, fowl or fish; he never used for food any 'green thing', any roots or anything unripe; he drank no liquor, wine or ale; but confined his diet to cereals and their products, fruits that were ripened on the stem in the sun, nuts, mild tea and the sweet of honey, sugar and molasses. [ Editor's note: The Comte de Saint Germain's same abstemious behavior regarding food was well documented in Europe.]
"He was well educated, highly cultivated, of extensive as well as varied information, and very studious. He spent considerable of his time in the patient and persistent scanning of a number of very rare old books and ancient manuscripts which he seemed to be deciphering, translating or rewriting. These books, and manuscripts, together with his own writings, he never showed to anyone; and he did not even mention them in his conversations with the family, except in the most casual way; and he always locked them up carefully in a large, old-fashioned, cubically shaped, iron-bound, heavy oaken chest, whenever he left his room, even for his meals. He took long and frequent walks alone, sat on the brows of the neighboring hills, or mused in the midst of the green and flower-gemmed meadows. He was fairly liberal—but in no way lavish—in spending his money, with which he was well supplied. He was a quiet, though a very genial and very interesting member of the family; and he was seemingly at home upon any and every topic coming up in conversation. He was, in short, one whom everyone would notice and respect, whom few would feel well acquainted with, and whom no one would presume to question concerning himself—as to whence he came, why he tarried or whither he journeyed."

"By something more than a mere coincidence, the committee appointed by the Colonial Congress to design a flag accepted an invitation to be guests, while at Cambridge, of the family with which the Professor was staying. It was here that General Washington joined them for the purpose of deciding upon a fitting emblem. By the signs that passed between them, it was evident that General Washington and Doctor Franklin recognized the Professor, and by unanimous approval, he was invited to become an active member of the committee. During the proceedings which followed, the Professor was treated with the most profound respect and all his suggestions immediately acted upon. He submitted a pattern which he considered symbolically appropriate for the new flag, and this was unhesitatingly accepted by the six other members of the committee, who voted that the arrangement suggested by the Professor be forthwith adopted. After the episode of the flag, the Professor quickly vanished; and nothing further is known concerning him.

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"Did General Washington and Doctor Franklin recognize the Professor as an emissary of the Mystery School which has so long controlled the political destinies of this planet? Benjamin Franklin was a philosopher and a Freemason—possibly a Rosicrucian initiate. He and the Marquis de Lafayette—also a man of mystery—constitute two of the important links in the chain of circumstance that culminated in the establishment of the original thirteen American colonies as a free and independent nation. Dr. Franklin's philosophic attainments are well attested in Poor Richard's Almanac, published by him for many years under the name of Richard Saunders. His interest in the cause of Freemasonry is also shown in his publication of Anderson's Constitutions of 'Freemasonry.
"It was during the, evening of July 4, 1776, that the second of these mysterious episodes occurred. In the old State House in Philadelphia, a group of men were gathered for the momentous task of severing the tie between the old country and the new. It was a grave moment, and not a few of those present feared that their lives would be the forfeit for their audacity. In the midst of the debate a fierce voice rang out. The debaters stopped and turned to look upon the stranger. Who was this man who had suddenly appeared in their midst and had transfixed them with his oratory? They had never seen him before, none knew when he had entered; but his tall form and pale face filled them with awe. His voice ringing with a holy zeal, the stranger stirred them to their very souls. His closing words rang. through the building, 'God has given America to be free!' As the stranger sank into a chair exhausted, a wild enthusiasm burst forth. Name after name was placed upon the parchment: the Declaration of Independence was signed. But where was the man who had precipitated the accomplishment of this immortal task—who had lifted for a moment the veil from the eyes of the assemblage and revealed to them a part at least of the great purpose for which the, new nation was conceived? He had disappeared, nor was he ever seen or his identity established. This episode parallels others of a similar kind recorded by ancient historians attendant upon the founding of every new nation. Are they coincidence, or do they indicate that the divine wisdom of the ancient mysteries still is present in the world, serving mankind as it did of old?"

The End

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Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 12:56:44 pm
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Signing the Declaration of Independence

The Speech of the Unknown

From the Editor of Reverse Spins: The following is taken from Washington and His Generals: or, Legends of the Revolution by George Lippard, published in 1847. The signers of the Declaration of Independence sat in Independence Hall at Philadelphia, contemplating losing their heads or being hanged. Their courage wavered. The document sat there unsigned. An extraordinary catalyst was needed to move them to action. An unknown man rose and gave an electrifying speech. He disappeared soon after.



By signing the Declaration, all were guilty of high treason under British law. The penalty for high treason was to be hanged by the neck until unconscious, then cut down and revived, then disemboweled and cut into quarters. The head and quarters were at the disposal of the crown.

No wonder they wavered! No wonder they discussed back and forth for days on end before signing the document that carried so grave a penalty. An old legend dramatizes the story of the one who galvanized the delegates and gave them the courage to sign that document.

But still there is doubt–and that pale-faced man, shrinking in one corner, squeaks out something about axes, scaffolds, and a–gibbet!

"Gibbet!" echoes a fierce, bold voice, that startles men from their seats–and look yonder! A tall slender man rises, dressed–although it is summer time–in a dark robe. Look how his white hand undulates as it is stretched slowly out, how that dark eye burns, while his words ring through the hall. (We do not know his name, let us therefore call his appeal)


THE SPEECH OF THE UNKNOWN.


"Gibbet? They may stretch our necks on all the gibbets in the land–they may turn every rock into a scaffold–every tree into a gallows, every home into a grave, and yet the words on that Parchment can never die!


"They may pour our blood on a thousand scaffolds, and yet from every drop that dyes the axe, or drips on the sawdust of the block, a new martyr to Freedom will spring into birth!


"The British King may blot out the Stars of God from His sky, but he cannot blot out His words written on the Parchment there! The works of God may perish–His Word, never!


"These words will go forth to the world when our bones are dust. To the slave in the mines they will speak–hope–to the mechanic in his workshop–freedom–to the coward-kings these words will speak, but not in tones of flattery. No, no! They will speak like the flaming syllables on Belshazzar's wall–


THE DAYS OF YOUR PRIDE AND GLORY ARE NUMBERED!


THE DAYS OF JUDGMENT AND REVOLUTION DRAW NEAR!


"Yes, that Parchment will speak to the Kings in a language sad and terrible as the trump of the Archangel. You have trampled on mankind long enough. At last the voice of human woe has pierced the ear of God, and called His Judgment down! You have waded on to thrones over seas of blood–you have trampled on to power over the necks of millions–you have turned the poor man's sweat and blood into robes for your delicate forms, into crowns for your anointed brows. Now Kings–now purpled Hangmen of the world–for you come the days of axes and gibbets and scaffolds–for you the wrath of man–for you the lightnings of God!–

"Look! How the light of your palaces on fire flashes up into the midnight sky!

"Now Purpled Hangmen of the world–turn and beg for mercy!

"Where will you find it?

"Not from God, for you have blasphemed His laws!

"Not from the People, for you stand baptized in their blood!

"Here you turn, and lo! a gibbet!

"There–and a scaffold looks you in the face.

"All around you–death–and nowhere pity!

"Now executioners of the human race, kneel down, yes, kneel down upon the sawdust of the scaffold–lay your perfumed heads upon the block–bless the axe as it falls–the axe that you sharpened for the poor man's neck!

"Such is the message of that Declaration to Man, to the Kings of the world! And shall we falter now? And shall we start back appalled when our feet press the very threshold of Freedom? Do I see quailing faces around me, when our wives have been butchered–when the hearthstones of our land are red with the blood of little children?

"What are these shrinking hearts and faltering voices here, when the very Dead of our battlefields arise, and call upon us to sign that Parchment, or be accursed forever?

"Sign! if the next moment the gibbet's rope is round your neck! Sign! if the next moment this hall rings with the echo of the falling axe! Sign! By all your hopes in life or death, as husbands–as fathers–as men–sign your names to the Parchment or be accursed forever!

"Sign–and not only for yourselves, but for all ages. For that Parchment will be the Text-book of Freedom–the Bible of the Rights of Man forever!

"Sign–for that declaration will go forth to American hearts forever, and speak to those hearts like the voice of God! And its work will not be done, until throughout this wide Continent not a single inch of ground owns the sway of a British King!

"Nay, do not start and whisper with surprise! It is a truth, your own hearts witness it, God proclaims it.–This Continent is the property of a free people, and their property alone. [17-second applause] God, I say, proclaims it!

"Look at this strange history of a band of exiles and outcasts, suddenly transformed into a people–look at this wonderful Exodus of the oppressed of the Old World into the New, where they came, weak in arms but mighty in Godlike faith–nay, look at this history of your Bunker Hill–your Lexington–where a band of plain farmers mocked and trampled down the panoply of British arms, and then tell me, if you can, that God has not given America to the free?

[12-second applause]

"It is not given to our poor human intellect to climb the skies, to pierce the councils of the Almighty One. But methinks I stand among the awful clouds which veil the brightness of Jehovah's throne. Methinks I see the Recording Angel–pale as an angel is pale, weeping as an angel can weep–come trembling up to that Throne, and speak his dread message–

"`Father! the old world is baptized in blood! Father, it is drenched with the blood of millions, butchered in war, in persecution, in slow and grinding oppression! Father–look, with one glance of Thine Eternal eye, look over Europe, Asia, Africa, and behold evermore, that terrible sight, man trodden down beneath the oppressor's feet–nations lost in blood–Murder and Superstition walking hand in hand over the graves of their victims, and not a single voice to whisper, "Hope to Man!"'

"He stands there, the Angel, his hands trembling with the black record of human guilt. But hark! The voice of Jehovah speaks out from the awful cloud–`Let there be light again. Let there be a New World. Tell my people–the poor–the trodden down millions, to go out from the Old World. Tell them to go out from wrong, oppression and blood–tell them to go out from this Old World–to build my altar in the New!'

[11-second applause]

"As God lives, my friends, I believe that to be his voice! Yes, were my soul trembling on the wing for Eternity, were this hand freezing in death, were this voice choking with the last struggle, I would still, with the last impulse of that soul, with the last wave of that hand, with the last gasp of that voice, implore you to remember this truth–God has given America to the free!

[13-second applause]

"Yes, as I sank down into the gloomy shadows of the grave, with my last gasp, I would beg you to sign that Parchment, in the name of the God, who made the Saviour who redeemed you–in the name of the millions whose very breath is now hushed in intense expectation, as they look up to you for the awful words–`You are free!'"

[9-second applause]

O many years have gone since that hour–the Speaker, his brethren, all, have crumbled into dust, but it would require an angel's pen to picture the magic of that Speaker's look, the deep, terrible emphasis of his voice, the prophet-like beckoning of his hand, the magnetic flame which shooting from his eyes, soon fired every heart throughout the hall!

The work was done. A wild murmur thrills through the hall.–Sign? Hah? There is no doubt now. Look! How they rush forward–stout-hearted John Hancock has scarcely time to sign his bold name, before the pen is grasped by another–another and another! Look how the names blaze on the Parchment–Adams and Lee and Jefferson and Carroll, and now, Roger Sherman the Shoemaker.

And here comes good old Stephen Hopkins–yes, trembling with palsy, he totters forward–quivering from head to foot, with his shaking hands he seizes the pen, he scratches his patriot-name.

Then comes Benjamin Franklin the Printer....

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The Original Declaration of Independence

And now the Parchment is signed; and now let word go forth to the People in the streets–to the homes of America–to the camp of Mister Washington, and the Palace of George the Idiot-King–let word go out to all the earth–

And, old man in the steeple, now bare your arm, and grasp the Iron Tongue, and let the bell speak out the great truth:

FIFTY-SIX TRADERS, LAWYERS, FARMERS AND MECHANICS HAVE THIS DAY SHOOK THE SCHACKLES OF THE WORLD!

[13-second applause]

Hark! Hark to the toll of that Bell!

Is there not a deep poetry in that sound, a poetry more sublime than Shakespeare or Milton?

Is there not a music in the sound, that reminds you of those awful tones which broke from angel-lips, when news of the child Jesus burst on the shepherds of Bethlehem?

For that Bell now speaks out to the world, that–

GOD HAS GIVEN THE AMERICAN CONTINENT TO THE FREE–THE TOILING MILLIONS OF THE HUMAN RACE–AS THE LAST ALTAR OF THE RIGHTS OF MAN ON THE GLOBE–THE HOME OF THE OPPRESSED, FOREVERMORE! <3>

[10-second applause]

Are we not bought with a price?

This reading is taken from the book Washington and His Generals: or, Legends of the Revolution by George Lippard, published in 1847.

The Mysterious Rosicrucian Who was the Father of the American Republic The story behind the Speech of the Unknown.

Editor: In esoteric circles, many believe that the unknown man was Saint Germain. Only a master of his attainment could have charged the atmosphere of the room with such fire that all fear melted away. He had assembled many of his most stalwart friends (e.g. Ben Franklin) from over the centuries to embody at that point in time and space to help create a country dedicated to freedom, the most important freedom being that of religion. His greatest ally in that cause was none other than George Washington. The father of our country was not in the room of course. He was not a delegate. Go to The Mystical George Washington below, to learn of his extraordinary connection to God and the secret destiny of America.

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 01:13:01 pm
Comte Saint-Germain: The Immortal German Alchemist.
http://alchemylab.com/count_saint_germain.htm

Comte de Saint Germain: Rosicrucian, Ascended Master, or Immortal?
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/11/comte-de-saint-germain-rosicrucian-ascended-master-or-immortal/

He has been featured on many TV shows and movies like Warehouse 13. etc. He may even be the model for Doctor Who :D

(http://www.sirbacon.org/graphics/Book-Rose.jpg)

Francis Bacon and the Secret of the Rosicrucian Rose
http://www.sirbacon.org/mcompeer2.htm

Sir Francis Bacon
A number of writers, some of whom were connected with Theosophy, have claimed that Francis Bacon (22 January 1561 – 9 April 1626), the English philosopher, statesman, scientist, jurist and author, was a member of secret societies; a smaller number claim that he would have attained the Ascension and became the Ascended Master Saint Germain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult_theories_about_Francis_Bacon

Francis Bacon was among those who made the greatest contributions to the continuation of the inner wisdom. He is considered by many to be the father of modern science because of his advocacy of empiricism, or experimental confirmation.

A famous Rosicrucian, he is considered by many to be the secret author of the works of William Shakespeare. Many indicators suggest this possibility. It is an idea worth considering since the works attributed to Shakespeare contain cryptograms that suggest Bacon as the author.

The original engraving of this portrait is kept at the Sovereign Headquarters of the Rose Cross Order. When it is superimposed over a portrait of William Shakespeare surprising coincidental similarities are observed that encourage speculation on the validity of this idea.
http://www.rosicrucian-order.com/libro3.htm

Count de St Germain Vampire Romania connection (https://books.google.com/books?id=rZ9clsv_L0EC&pg=PT1263&lpg=PT1263&dq=count+de+saint-germain+romania&source=bl&ots=h7oQ2UiyKe&sig=HzWo6rcdsDBnjGgkZf86E19Wxp4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r9smVYiDC43ZoASFn4CQAw&ved=0CGMQ6AEwDw#v=onepage&q=count%20de%20saint-germain%20romania&f=false)

His birth and background are obscure, but towards the end of his life he claimed that he was a son of Prince Francis II Rákóczi of Transylvania. His name has occasionally caused him to be confused with Claude Louis, Comte de Saint-Germain, a noted French general, and Robert-François Quesnay de Saint Germain, an active occultist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_of_St._Germain

Laurence Gardner

(http://graal.co.uk/images/laurence/laurence_white_right_210x288.jpg)

Rosicrucian and promoter of Powdered White Gold
 (17 May 1943 – 12 August 2010) was a writer and lecturer in the "alternative history" genre of research.

Laurence Gardner's first book Bloodline of the Holy Grail was published in 1996. The book was serialized in the Daily Mail and a best seller. He used his books to propose several theories, including a belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had married and had children, whose descendants included King Arthur and the House of Stuart. In Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark he claimed that the Ark of the Covenant was a machine for manufacturing "monatomic gold" – a supposed elixir which could be used to extend life. His books also included theories about Freemasonry, the Knights Templar, The Holy Grail and proposed connections between Atenism and Judaism.

Gardner referred to himself as "Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain", and "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes" (the existence of which cannot be verified) also "Prior of the Celtic Churches Sacred Kindred of Saint Columbia". He also claimed to be Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. He was a supporter of Michael Lafosse, in particular his claims to be descended from the House of Stuart, which Gardner claimed was descended from Jesus Christ.

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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 01:19:11 pm
An image search for Count St Germain brings up some interesting stuff...

Like this one from the  Violet Flame

(https://paulinebattell.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/saint-germain-pale-violet-and-pastel.jpg)

There is even a connection to Ashtar Command :D  Here he looks like a very young Francis Bacon

(http://api.ning.com/files/e5GPvNNowSrWrhqf4odCiJG5quNPT0e-GcAX3xzkQE6s3ZgfBmsMDL5e8mqxHs2w5QYE3P9bYSVUYs8i9PjsGmUGXx4aDLRq/SaintGermain_rollPic.gif)

The Violet Flame is a Divine gift and tool for everyone, given to us by Ascended Master Saint Germain. It is a sacred fire that exists on the Higher Dimensions. People with the gift of interdimensional sight have seen it. Cameras have captured it when it was not visible to the person taking the photo. The Violet Flame is REAL and I invite you to use it to your great advantage.

The Violet Flame is Spiritual Alchemy in action. Just as Alchemy is said to turn Lead into Gold, the ultimate purpose of the Violet Flame is to turn the Human into the Divine Human. Its action is to TRANSMUTE denser feelings, actions, deeds, karma, etc. into a higher vibrational frequency, which helps prepare us for our Ascension. Ascension means becoming a Divine Human, also known as a Christed Being - a level of Consciousness obtainable by any person. You may use the Violet Flame in perfect harmony with any belief system, religion or practice. It is a neutral tool with absolutely no conditions attached to it.

http://ascension-stgermain.com/violetflame-article.html
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 09, 2015, 01:26:30 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/01archives/Francis_Bacon_Supernova_files/supernovatitle.jpg)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/01archives/Francis_Bacon_Supernova.html
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Glaucon on April 11, 2015, 07:16:54 pm
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  I hear they need members
You're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds  wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 13, 2015, 09:30:00 am
There is even a connection to Ashtar Command :D  Here he looks like a very young Francis Bacon
LOL  :o

Come on Z, an immortal father superior of a secret society responsible for the founding of the USA does not pretend to be some aliens here to save us. :P

Interesting material otherwise. :)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 13, 2015, 04:16:47 pm
Come on Z, an immortal father superior of a secret society responsible for the founding of the USA does not pretend to be some aliens here to save us. :P

True... that was comic relief :P but mostly I found t amusing that the New Age GFL people use his image :D  Perhaps it's one of those race memories :P

Quote
Interesting material otherwise. :)

As I said tip of the iceberg. I have a lot of material on the Count... even know where to visit in Romania where his original Mystic School is still operating. But most of it is in old books.

It will take time to trace the material on the web and sort it from the fluff.

Suggestions have been made by several "Illuminati" that the Count is of the Bloodline of the Grail...  If that is indeed true it could really lead to interesting conclusions
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 13, 2015, 04:20:46 pm
You're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds  wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.

No actually I am serious :D  But perhaps the bad press they get keeps Looky Loos away :P

Simple solution is TRY IT  then you can find out from the inside the truth of the matter

Now the Knights of St John, the Templars and similar Orders are harder to join.  St John's for example you must have desire to help medically :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 14, 2015, 05:34:38 am
True... that was comic relief :P but mostly I found t amusing that the New Age GFL people use his image :D  Perhaps it's one of those race memories :P

As I said tip of the iceberg. I have a lot of material on the Count... even know where to visit in Romania where his original Mystic School is still operating. But most of it is in old books.

It will take time to trace the material on the web and sort it from the fluff.

Suggestions have been made by several "Illuminati" that the Count is of the Bloodline of the Grail...  If that is indeed true it could really lead to interesting conclusions

Such as the 'Windsor' house claiming to be descendants, and that would indeed lead to William as fulfilling the Antichrist Prophecy ? 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 14, 2015, 07:14:49 am
So recently, as some of you probably know, I've been spending a lot of my time trying to learn about sacred geometry, and the potential technology of the ancient Egyptians; stuff which is traditionally considered the domain of Freemasonry, among other groups or individuals.

Yet despite my recent adoption of the belief that such material is, by itself, morally neutral, (or actually biased slightly towards positive or harmonious use) I remaind steadfast in my previous conviction that Freemasonry is a fundamentally infernal organisation.  I still remember hearing Richard Hoagland's emphatic claim to Kerry Cassidy that the Masons are, "the good guys."  I had misgivings about that idea back then, which have only grown.

My main reason for believing that Freemasonry is evil, is very simple.  The Masons cannot have it both ways.  They cannot claim to be, or in fact be, fundamentally responsible for the course of human history on the one hand, and yet maintain the claim of being a benevolent organisation on the other.  Given the nature of human history, particularly over the last 200 years, those two premises are completely irreconcilable. 

If they are the directors of collective human destiny, as has been the continual implication, then why are we continually immersed in war?  Why is our society defective and self-defeating at every possible level, to the point where we are threatened with extinction?

Let's hypothetically assume three concepts, here.

a}  A benevolent group exists.
b}  This group has advanced, even intimate knowledge, of the fundamental organisational and constructive principles of the known universe.
c}  This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.

Assuming, hypothetically, that the above three statements were correct, then I would expect to see human civilisation organised along radically different, even diametrically opposing, lines, to what we observe today.  I would not expect to see residential or commercial architecture be based around the rectangle, but around the shape of the pyramid, as such has been proven to be the most robust possible shape for a building.  I would also expect to see engineering in general, follow an infinitely higher standard, to the point where human engineering processes would actually augment and positively reinforce the terrestrial environment, rather than working to destroy it.

What I propose, then, is that while premise b} and c} above are true, premise a} is not.  That rather than being a benevolent or altruistically/compassionately oriented organisation, this group are, in fact, psychopaths of the very worst kind that humanity has been able to produce.  I accuse Masonry of the following three crimes:-

a}  That while having the level of knowledge of said harmonious organisational and architectural principles that they have, they have deliberately sought (with very close to complete success, I might add) to remove all access to, and knowledge of, said principles from the general human public.

b}  That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.

c}  That while they have organised and directed mainstream human society in such a manner that it is in direct opposition to the principles mentioned above, such that it would eventually destroy itself, they have maintained both knowledge and active use of said principles themselves, for their own exclusive aggrandisement, and to allow them to continue to subjugate and exploit the vast majority of humanity.

This is the first time that I have been able, when I look at it, to really consciously enunciate and provide myself with a truly concrete description of this conspiracy.  This is, however, also the reason why I am motivated to learn as much about the principles that I believe that they have deliberately withheld from the human population, as I possibly can.  I do not seek to learn such primarily for my own benefit; but I want to find a way, if such is possible, to also disclose said knowledge to anyone else who may be interested in it.  I believe that such could be indescribably empowering and liberating for humanity as a whole.

So I first read this thread about 3 days ago and I initially agreed with this above post whole heartedly.

Then I got about 3 pages in and had to deal with the anti-thesis offered by the other members in support of secret societies.

I had to spend a whole day and evening contemplating the reasoning behind 'keeping some things secret'.

In the end I concluded that I remain opposed to secrecy for the following reasons:

1) Secret Knowledge is quite obviously already in the hands of the evil doers. I'm pretty sure sharing it with the rest of us can't hurt humanity any more so than we are already hurt..

2) The majority of people in these societies are probably nice people, however the very system they operate within (secrecy) is a breeding ground for the evil doers to infiltrate.

3) A lot of these charity organisations operate on 2 levels. As do certain 'adepts' within certain occult societies. Overtly and Covertly.

For example WWF, massively supported since 1961 by the Nazi and poacher Prince Phillip - Under the guise of WWF they have managed to wipe out most of the worlds endangered species and make several land grabs. Causing far more harm than they ever would have if they had not have existed.

I do wonder how many of these 'Charitable Organisations' formed in the loins of 'secrecy' reflect the same pattern?
I don't have figures yet, but it is an interesting line of thought.

Look at Savile for example, he done his Charity work along side is demon behaviour, why? Some rites require the balance or offering of positive/negative Karma.

This is just a quick post, compiled with my boss looking at me across the way - and so this message could be composed better. However for now, that is the main reasoning why I believe secrecy is not the answer.

If we lived in a free and open society, every body would be held accountable for their actions, and we the public could vet positions for any potential psychopaths. I could see US (no secret peeps) being far more effective in this vetting manner than our secret brothers and sisters - who have failed dismally at keeping their info from the wrong hands thus far.

Petrus... Thoughts?

I have never seen you retract from any of your gut instincts prior to this post.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on April 14, 2015, 06:49:31 pm
Petrus... Thoughts?

I have never seen you retract from any of your gut instincts prior to this post.

I retracted to the extent that I felt Zorgon was partly justified in calling me a hypocrite; and I was also led to believe that I had expressed a certain amount of excessive arrogance and sensationalism in my wording, which was inappropriate.

My primary feeling about the Masons these days, is that they are used as a front group, to varying degrees.  You also make a very good point that while it can be superficially good for publicity, the majority of philanthropy ultimately tends to have insidious objectives.

I am still strongly inclined to believe that the majority (if not all) of Marx' philosophy was probably hammered out within Masonic meetings; and it is still true that a lot of truly prominent scientists from the latter half of the last millennium were Masons.  Some may try and claim that that doesn't prove anything sinister, but I still believe it does.  Newton was a Mason, depending on who you ask, and quantum theory is demonstrating, if not that Newton was fundamentally wrong, that there is at least much more going on than what he was able to discover.

Then there is the entire materialistic/anti-aetheric garden path that Descartes has led us all down.  Was Descartes a Mason?  Who knows, but trying to figure it out leads you to such mad whisperings as this (http://purposelyhoodwinked.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/newtonianism-freemasonry-note-to-my.html).

So I think my initial contention still stands; that to at least a certain degree, the Masons and groups like them know a lot more about universal law (what Blavatsky referred to as the Secret Doctrine) than the rest of us do, and that at least up until recently, they have withheld the truth, while giving the public a model of science (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_scientificdictatorship.htm) which is largely diametrically opposed to said truth.

The real problem with said science, is that it is just good enough that an atheist who otherwise does not think very deeply, can point to all the wonderful technology that we supposedly have, and use that as a rationalisation for claiming that my above contention is false. 

If you really look at it, however, said technology actually is not all that great at all; not compared to what it could be.  Most here know enough about Tesla's work, to also know that technologically we are at least a century behind where we should be.  We should have computers designed with modularity, and completely interchangeable parts, so that if something breaks, we simply slot in a new piece, and the rest of the device keeps going.  We should also have cars and appliances that literally last for centuries; with brushless motors and minimal moving parts, that is possible.

Technology itself, mind you, is much more a symptom than the actual disease.  The very fact that we rely on purely mechanistic forms of technology rather than being taught to harness our own inherent abilities, is the real problem.  Were it not for occult secrecy, the mobile phone and its' attendant miseries would not need to exist, for organic telepathy would be considered normal, as it indeed is within indigenous societies.

I can be paternalistically reprimanded for maintaining my opinion as much as anyone cares to do so.  Said reprimandment, in and of itself, is not going to discourage me from my position.  If anything, in the absence of a compelling logical counter-argument, it is actually likely to reinforce my certainty in it.  The tools of rhetoric are just as much available to anyone else, as they are to me.  If I am wrong, let me therefore be proven so.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Glaucon on April 14, 2015, 10:14:01 pm
No actually I am serious :D  But perhaps the bad press they get keeps Looky Loos away :P

Simple solution is TRY IT  then you can find out from the inside the truth of the matter

Now the Knights of St John, the Templars and similar Orders are harder to join.  St John's for example you must have desire to help medically :P
sometimes I can absolutely not tell when you're employing a sarcastic tone.

For the record, my question you replied to was rhetorical.

GLORIA DEI EST CELARE VERBUM. AMEN.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on April 15, 2015, 10:49:22 am
THE Absolute OF Anything is true if you put your mind to it!

In this world you have that stinking Mind first, and that is not your brain as many would think.  You then have your program which is your brain living out a hologram or something like that. 

To say a structured learning method is all against us is sorta dumb. I would think the opposite. 

On a personal note I had a four colour pen drop.... and reside on a three year old application form out of the blue to the Rosie Cross. 

The above mean's a lot to me, d     



 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 16, 2015, 09:40:45 am
“Anything that is concealed is a secret. The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates their possessor from the community. In small doses, this poison may actually be a priceless remedy, even an essential preliminary to the differentiation of the individual.”
—Carl Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 16, 2015, 02:39:29 pm
“Anything that is concealed is a secret. The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates their possessor from the community
This can be true but like most truths there are exceptions.  There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves.  I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag.  It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.

Not all secrets are harmful to those not in the know.  Envy and jealousy are not pleasant emotions in either the keeper of a secret, or the seeker.  However, the desire to allow people the possibility of Gnosis is a noble cause.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on April 17, 2015, 09:23:07 am
Holding steady to a secret, is the secret :D

I sometime's find it weird that people get so bent up about certain secret's when it pertains to matter's of the mind which are free to learn.  :o

All the secret's to the world are in front of you, me, and him, and her LOL

(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/75zLA.png)

As someone who has read a myriad of book's regarding how to live life... it's kinda grand and odd that John Lear summed it up so eloquently....

Live your life without hate greed or envy




Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 17, 2015, 10:58:39 am
This can be true but like most truths there are exceptions.  There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves.  I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag.  It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.

Not all secrets are harmful to those not in the know.  Envy and jealousy are not pleasant emotions in either the keeper of a secret, or the seeker.  However, the desire to allow people the possibility of Gnosis is a noble cause.

My conumdrum is ... I wouldn't know I if knew this secret that you acknowledge, because the one you are referring to, you are keeping secret.

Or is it like a Matrix moment?  Will I know this secret when I discover this secret, and know that it is a secret that you an I share?

Or do I need to join a society for confimation?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on April 17, 2015, 02:10:33 pm
My conumdrum is ... I wouldn't know I if knew this secret that you acknowledge, because the one you are referring to, you are keeping secret.

I can give you a less dramatic example, Sinny.

There is in existence, a certain magical grimoire (publically available; copies of it are all over the Internet) known as the Lesser Key of Solomon.  It instructs readers on how to summon demons from a particular group, called the 72 Chief Spirits.  I summoned one of the four kings from that group once; spoke to it, heard it, and greatly endangered myself as a result of doing so.  I therefore don't do things like that, these days.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUuJ4EIZC_s

Magick does have legitimate and exceptionally serious dangers.  If guarding against those was the cabal's genuine intention, then I would have absolutely no objection to that.  The problem is that real protection of the outer court is not their genuine motive; it is merely the excuse they use, for maintaining a veil around things that generally should not be kept secret at all.

Evocation in particular as a practice, can be likened to the use of psychedelics.  Potentially, it is an extremely dangerous practice to engage in, although its' positive benefits can be equally great.  As a result, while said practice itself should be tightly regulated in my opinion, it is one of those things where trying to conveniently pretend that it does not exist, greatly increases its' danger, rather than reducing it.  If someone is determined to do something stupid, then you at least want them to know how to minimise the risk that they are going to take, and there are ways to do that.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 17, 2015, 04:56:25 pm
Holding steady to a secret, is the secret :D

I sometime's find it weird that people get so bent up about certain secret's when it pertains to matter's of the mind which are free to learn.  :o

All the secret's to the world are in front of you, me, and him, and her LOL

(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/75zLA.png)

As someone who has read a myriad of book's regarding how to live life... it's kinda grand and odd that John Lear summed it up so eloquently....

Live your life without hate greed or envy
Don't forget the most important one: with integrity!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: The Seeker on April 17, 2015, 08:15:39 pm
Sinead, I want you to ponder a few things...

Let's start with the word Occult with simply means hidden...

As Petrus stated, in the realm of the Art Magick, there are two distinct types, being Ritual{Wiccan} and Ceremonial{Sorcery or Wizardry, if you prefer}

Wiccans freely put forth how to use your personal energy and will to make changes in your personal paradigm; most practice white magick and follow the Wiccan Rede: An it harm none, do what thou will...

yes, there are also those who practise Black magick such as voodoo; but everything you do comes back to you, so a wise person does not do anything to anyone else unless it is for their good and well being...

Ceremonial magickians summon and conjecture spirits and beings to do their will; but that is a very dangerous game, for the act of the summoning pisses said spirits/entities off and you cannot make any mistake for they will attack you if you give them the opportunity...

my point is the same as Petrus; there are things that need to be inaccessible to the public at large and for very good reasons...

I also know that knowledge is used by many as power; the church et all is a prime example of this; if you take a good look at practices from the dark ages until roughly the 16th century you will find that the common folk were fed only a small portion of the information that the church elders and leaders were privvy to...

as always, my words, thoughts, and musings are just my personal observations and conclusions that I have come to and in no way shape or form should anyone accept it beyond it being my personal opinion;

you have to find your own answers that work for you and make your own choices...

just try to choose wisely... 8)


seeker
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: petrus4 on April 18, 2015, 02:45:58 am
Ceremonial magickians summon and conjecture spirits and beings to do their will; but that is a very dangerous game, for the act of the summoning pisses said spirits/entities off and you cannot make any mistake for they will attack you if you give them the opportunity...

It actually isn't the summoning itself which upsets spirits; it's ironically the form of containment that you use for them, if you are doing things properly.  I was going to outline said containment, but I really don't think it's a good idea to go into that here; I don't want to encourage anyone to do anything irresponsible.

The bottom line is that the forms of containment used in Western evocation, are considered an insult to spirits, because you are in essence enslaving them temporarily, and you are also making a very strong statement that you do not trust them.  With that said, the only types of spirits I deal with these days either angelic or Godforms; I don't go near demons after that one experience, and I don't recommend anyone else do so either.  The Goetia is ironically probably the safest of the more common grimoires, and given how nasty some of them are, that's saying something.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: The Seeker on April 18, 2015, 04:02:57 am
No, Petrus, leave it at that; any curious enough to want more info need to seek it out themselves...

the only point left out to delineate the major difference is wiccans are inside their circle whilst CM'ers are outside...

we have said enough, perhaps too much; meditation is far safer and will lead to the same experiences if practised along the path of the Kaballah...

I will recommend the book Simple Magick which is Kaballah in simple, everyday terms...

seeker
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 18, 2015, 04:03:56 am
Thank you Petrus, thank you Seeker, your input is highly fitting for what I have been studying this week.

Of course I can see the benefits of attempting to hide information that could have negative conotations -  in the hands of idiots.

However, the cultivation of knowledge is the cultivation of power... Therefore any time we allow whole groups or societies to cultivate so much knowledge (whilst repressing it unnaturally for others), is also us allowing societies and groups to cultivate power.

I'm still here asking myself... Do I want the Masons to have that power? What are they doing with that power?
Skull and Bones have cultivated knowledge/power.. Is it wise that they have that power? What do they do with that power?

As is highlighted often, with this power they have infiltrated and corrupted our social systems.

Indeed all these 'powerful' groups have aimed to corrupt society as a whole, they have deeply affected our cultures, phyche and view of reality.

I think Petrus described this effect well a page or two back?

Some here say they support this method of secrecy because it allows other groups, let's say the RC, to cultivate and develop their own knowledge/power to use for the forces of .. Good..

But isn't it plain to see that our 'forces of good' aren't winning the war at the moment?

Therefore, something needs to drastically change to alter the playing field...

I refer back to my initial post, as I've gone round in a circle.

How do we prevent this process of abuse from happening?
That takes my mind back to one of Petrus' other threads..

Then again, we probably won't change the course of events.. But it wouldn't be much of a movie unless we played our parts.

Having all this discussion about religion around recently...
The main hook that Christianity has me on is demonology.

I recognise that the forces you two speak of exist.
I'm currently undecided on their nature.

It dawned on me for example Petrus, that even Ra of Law of One fame... Known for his benevolance... Still took a life before he departed this realm. That life was of course Don Elkins... Not many entities could have done that to Don, he was a strong and wise man. I've always wondered if Ra' was an artist of deception.. If they all are.

Anyway, as always, I have more questions than answers..   

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 18, 2015, 04:06:25 am
Seeker, if it makes you feel better, the info Petrus provided is already all over the web, even on easily found Wiki pages.

How times change..
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: The Seeker on April 18, 2015, 11:24:25 am
Seeker, if it makes you feel better, the info Petrus provided is already all over the web, even on easily found Wiki pages.

How times change..
aye Sinny lass, things do change... Tisn't a matter of how it makes me feel; those who will take the risks will do so;  it is a matter of personal choice and free will...

all one can hope for is that these individuals do thorough research and are well informed before they take the first step...

will they choose wisely?

 8)

seeker
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 18, 2015, 02:58:59 pm
Or is it like a Matrix moment?  Will I know this secret when I discover this secret, and know that it is a secret that you an I share?
You will know. And those who know keep silent.

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Or do I need to join a society for confimation?
No you don't have to.  Some groups may get you there quicker but some are utterly pointless as they don't understand how to facilitate true initiation.

we have said enough, perhaps too much; meditation is far safer and will lead to the same experiences if practised along the path of the Kaballah...
This is true and good advice.  The "more direct" route I took was extremely traumatic.  Trauma is one of the ways people "spontaneously" initiate or achieve a particular experience.  Soul shatteringly direct methods are so risky I could not recommend anyone try.  If you do then it is going where "angels fear to tread".

Try it if you like but it is worth considering that in some Jewish mystical circles do not start work on Kabbala until they are already 40 years old.  At the age of 40 you have already passed through the 8 year Sun-Venus cycle 5 times.  Only then do they recommend serious work upon The Tree.

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There is a good reason the Pentagram has high significance in certain circles. :)

I was born on a point of the Pentagram with the Galactic central point on my mid-heaven.  If certain semi-secret astrology was true then my early initiation was inevitable.

(http://dcsymbols.com/divinefem/VenusPentagram.jpg)

These are some of the central secrets of initiation.  If you believe in that sort of thing. :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rdunk on April 18, 2015, 07:25:33 pm
I find this rather amusing.....not meaning to offend anyone! But I find it strange that some of you buy-in to so much non-factual way out of the ordinary stuff, while being completely unable to accept a strongly held fact for many that the God of this Universe is real?? ?? ?? Not only that, it also seems that you have fine-honed the mystical elements of what you believe about this mystical life. Wow! The dichotomy between elements of this discussion and some of our others is significant!! :) Seems that here there are believers in all kinds of spirits, even scared of their possible actions, and seemingly all about the so called "dark side"! Be careful you say!!

Of course, that is just the sense of matters that I get from reading some of this! :) ?? ??
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 19, 2015, 12:54:17 am
IBut I find it strange that some of you buy-in to so much non-factual way out of the ordinary stuff, while being completely unable to accept a strongly held fact for many that the God of this Universe is real?? ?? ??
Petrus is certainly not an Atheist.  I contend that their may be a God but the thing from the Bible that you worship is no such thing.  If the Universe is God then there is your answer.  I also remember we recently discussed and agreed that you could be an Atheist and still accept the existence of spirits.  Furthermore, if the entities discussed turned out to be a powerful part of the human psyche it would not be surprising.

So where is the dichotomy?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on April 19, 2015, 05:44:57 am
There is a good reason the Pentagram has high significance in certain circles. :)
Because it's the regular polygon most difficult to draw?  ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: space otter on April 19, 2015, 07:30:30 am





I’ve been reading this thread off and on and find it kinda represents my own journey of what is and what isn’t...
not that I have many conclusions but I do have some observations 
I was reluctant to toss my observations in but why not

only personal observations here folks.. no stones being thrown at anyone

no one has actually ever seen god the good and I have never heard/read that anyone has actually seen the bad demon figures..but a lot of folk who go looking and focus on one or the other find essences of power..and label it good or bad....never realizing that they have called that essence into existence
pets r us story is  just that.. a call into existence of something by explicit means...and he did recognize his part
rdunk on the other hand calls via prayer  and see  the results
BUT  they both get results they were looking for...and they both feel the result is more than they are
many folk are this way...
where is the power in this
obviously it is with the person calling otherwise these essences would be running loose
 do any of us recognize our own power?  and then use it to route our lives as we want?
mostly as soon as we see any result we toss our power to the result....HUH !!!   WHY?

are the evils in the world because of folks calling without precautions or true knowledge of what they are calling?
are we doomed by what has been let loose
I can surely see why rdunk is finding humor in this..
belief in half -  the evil part without belief in the god part and then pointing fingers at him for belief in the good part
it’s always easier to see the other guy as the dumb one

you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil
 it is we sorry ass humans who have the power and have abdicated it
we toss responsibility to what has been called and then make request from our own creations
we are missing the point

we are the power to change it all  but we hide in fear of the power we have
we recognize certain symbols 
but we think they have the power when they are only tools to be used
we have the power if only we would look deeply at ourselves and accept it
just think about it


stepping off my soap box....
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rose on April 19, 2015, 11:00:04 am

What you need to join for is to get the HANDS ON PRACTICE and that is for those who have decided that this path is for them.... 

So the only secrets withheld from non members is the METHOD of attaining the goals of that knowledge   and that requires a lifetime of dedication. 


I generally avoid all Mason=Evil threads because imo,  "read one, read em all"

But this one is a masterpiece of wisdom, calm discussion, and courteous information exchange that actually stretches far beyond the original topic.

I love the word dedication,  Z. 

It sounds so noble. but  it can be a real drag, particularly in the beginning when all we have to go on is blind faith in a chosen path.  The first rosy glow of newness fades with the realization that in order to "get there" we are going to have to develop the mental strength to refuse  to give in to thoughts that knock  us off center. 

That's not nearly as much fun as wallowing in our excesses. And the nature of our runaway minds makes it  seem like we are condemned to a lifetime of cleaning the Augean stables.

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For the fifth labor, Eurystheus ordered Hercules to clean up King Augeas' stables. Hercules knew this job would mean getting dirty and smelly, but sometimes even a hero has to do these things. Then Eurystheus made Hercules' task even harder: he had to clean up after the cattle of Augeas in a single day.

Now King Augeas owned more cattle than anyone in Greece. Some say that he was a son of one of the great gods, and others that he was a son of a mortal; whosever son he was, Augeas was very rich, and he had many herds of cows, bulls, goats, sheep and horses.

Every night the cowherds, goatherds and shepherds drove the thousands of animals to the stables.

Hercules went to King Augeas, and without telling anything about Eurystheus, said that he would clean out the stables in one day, if Augeas would give him a tenth of his fine cattle.
Augeas couldn't believe his ears, but promised.

Hercules brought Augeas's son along to watch. First the hero tore a big opening in the wall of the cattle-yard where the stables were. Then he made another opening in the wall on the opposite side of the yard.

Next, he dug wide trenches to two rivers which flowed nearby. He turned the course of the rivers into the yard. The rivers rushed through the stables, flushing them out, and all the mess flowed out the hole in the wall on other side of the yard.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/stables.html

Metaphorically speaking,  we might say that Hercules used  the twin flows of chi to carry away the sludge. We can do that, too, with our mental sludge, though we will have to do it again, tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow. 

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you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil
 it is we sorry ass humans who have the power and have abdicated it
we toss responsibility to what has been called and then make request from our own creations
we are missing the point

we are the power to change it all  but we hide in fear of the power we have
we recognize certain symbols
but we think they have the power when they are only tools to be used
we have the power if only we would look deeply at ourselves and accept it
just think about it

Ajo, sister!

It really does get easier, as an "initiate" gets stronger.  Those who have advanced a good way along the path may feel it's okay to slack off on cleaning the sludge once in a while. But let them get too far away, and they are likely to experience a smack or two of instant karma, a firm reminder that there are better ways to direct those powerful thoughts and emotions.

Or so it has been for me, anyway.

rose
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: The Seeker on April 19, 2015, 12:18:01 pm
All the ancient mystery schools had the sign over the entrance that said :Know Thyselves"...

I tend to agree with Otter and Rose, for our thoughts,will, and desires create our reality;

the great "evil" is the programming and indoctrination each receives from birth  that steers us away from realiseing that we are co-creators and have to only accept that it is so...

seeker
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on April 20, 2015, 08:33:59 am
Don't forget the most important one: with integrity!

Sarge!  I must say thank you for pointing out that glaring omission mate  :)








Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rose on April 20, 2015, 09:06:51 am
Yes, thank you, Sleeper, Sarge, and Soma

integrity is essential. "Walkiing the talk" so to speak, in the inner and outer worlds.

Students are told from the beginning that the Secret lies within, but the governor on their development says they can't know it until they know it. 

rose

"What if I fail?
"But, oh, my darling...what if you fly?"






Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 20, 2015, 01:50:39 pm
It sounds so noble. but  it can be a real drag, particularly in the beginning when all we have to go on is blind faith in a chosen path.  The first rosy glow of newness fades with the realization that in order to "get there" we are going to have to develop the mental strength to refuse  to give in to thoughts that knock  us off center.

Who said dedication is noble? LOL  It has been my experience that dedication in ANY task we do is boring and tedious and hard work.  But you cannot pay your mortgage and have a nice car and live debt free if you are a person that doesn't like hard work :P unless your born rich or you have a good street corner to beg on ( but even THAT guy went to work that corner every day)

Yes we are all blind at birth, though we do carry with us some of what we learned in the past. And it is generally accepted that as you advance, you retain more (or have easy access to it)

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That's not nearly as much fun as wallowing in our excesses. And the nature of our runaway minds makes it  seem like we are condemned to a lifetime of cleaning the Augean stables.

Perhaps even several lifetimes :D  You cannot learn all you need from being a King. Maybe you also need to see what it's like as a cripple :D

But I do agree that in the modern world there is so much noise and access to just bad information that it is very easy to be confused. In my case the Rosicrucians "appeared" when I was ready.  What I mean is this... I had run out of research in libraries. At that time there was no internet and only a few BBS services to local computers with a Commodore 64  (about 40 megs capacity :P )

I had discovered that there were TWO places in the world I needed to visit to get more info and continue my search  One was the Pyramids of Giza and the other the Tibetan Potala Monastery at Lhasa.  At that point I got a pamphlet in the mail from the RC  On the cover was the two areas I needed more info on.  This was in October... I then moved to Winnipeg in Dec at a moments notice for a job...  no one but my parents knew where I would be staying temporarily with a friend... yet I got a Christmas card addressed to that address from the RC  That was it  I was hooked :P

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Metaphorically speaking,  we might say that Hercules used  the twin flows of chi to carry away the sludge. We can do that, too, with our mental sludge, though we will have to do it again, tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow. 

Oddly enough repeitition is what makes something (anything) we do become habitual so we can do it without any more conscious thought.  A mechanic can 'see' with his fingers and pick out a bolt from one mixed bucket and natch it to a nut in another mixed bucket virtually instantly with a mere glance...

Secret Societies use rituals and repetition not because of some evil dark secret :P but as a tool to make your lessons flow without though. Sadly many modern brotherhoods have forgotten the purpose of ritual and just go through the motions

The Masons are mostly just a good old boys club that help each other in business... not much else

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It really does get easier, as an "initiate" gets stronger.  Those who have advanced a good way along the path may feel it's okay to slack off on cleaning the sludge once in a while. But let them get too far away, and they are likely to experience a smack or two of instant karma, a firm reminder that there are better ways to direct those powerful thoughts and emotions.

The sludge isn't all that bad when you get used to it :P and someone has to do it :D  Many lazy people that complain about everything forget that someone else is cleaning up THEIR sludge :D  And yeah Karma will get ya for it :P

So how is the Old Sea Hag doing these days?  People keep linking me to stuff like "Zorgon's Reaction" :P but I just don't have time to play with those delusions :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 20, 2015, 03:03:26 pm
The Masons are mostly just a good old boys club that help each other in business... not much else
Dining club and old men dressing up. :P


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So how is the Old Sea Hag doing these days?  People keep linking me to stuff like "Zorgon's Reaction" :P but I just don't have time to play with those delusions :P
So are you going to meet up with her. :P  :o ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 04:07:19 pm
Poblem is tho Pi, that a lot of those 'old men' at these 'dining' meetings are creating our lawful policies.
(As Channel 4 documented recently)
And helping their 'bothers' along the way.

Us?

Sidelined.

Secect Societies and politics? Big no no.

Ah, there we go see, I've found the obvious synthesis, why was that so difficult?

Seperate the two.


Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: burntheships on April 20, 2015, 04:10:22 pm
Sinny,

You have a very astute observation there.

 8)

I could write a few pages on a real life first person experience concerning
such, and more. For obvious reasons though, I refrain.


Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 04:49:25 pm
Thanks BTS,

Such a relatively small thought, I can't believe it took so long to cross my train of thought.

I've always known that we need to take the 'business' out of politics, but to do that, we need to remove their system of operation too.



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: burntheships on April 20, 2015, 05:07:33 pm
Sinny,

Sometimes it is the obvious that we dont notice at first.

During my years of study into the history, it seems evident there is
a definite pool of members cemented into the cause of politics,
even on a grand scale of international politics.
And, of course not that we dont need some good politicians, and
I am sure there are some fine freemasons out there...

And there are a few other ways that the brotherhood works.
Here is an account, rare that it made the news....and it gives
an insight into how it might play out, the oaths etc.

 http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/v-i-high-court-orders-hearing-on-removal-of-suspected-mason-1.1205445

After posting that link, I will again state my opinon that many freemasons
are good guys, not like those in the story.  8)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 20, 2015, 05:14:17 pm
So are you going to meet up with her. :P  :o ::)

Why so she can show mw a drivers licence? LOL That is all Mikado said she ever showed him and there are 24 Linda Brown's in Nevada DMV alone :P

Every REAL person I know has a wall full of their lifelong achievments (or an album) Family photos, documents, awards, certifictaes Etc. No matter how insignificant they are they have such a record. It's what Hu-mons do.

When Ed Fouche presented his 'documents' at Open Minds it took him THREE MONTHS to produce "hundreds"  LOL I can go to John's house with a camera and get his in about 10 seconds.

Ed Fouche then posted stuff online at Alien Scientists forum including CIA badges etc that meant nothing (other than making people think it was official stuff. He had a photo of himself (back to camera) in front of the Stealth Fighter at Area 51. That images was taken at Palmdale and the name of the person was verified so he fudged it

One day when I get spare cash I may hire a private investigator just for kicks but right now I am broke and have important bills to pay. I hear someone else on here has an Ancesrty.com account and was planning to look :D

Now here is a real Spook who came out openly on ATS...  mfluder... He claimed he was Army Intel  When asked to show ID he said he was not allowed to show his card online so he sent this instead and asked "Will THIS do?"

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/46ats_members/Assorted%20Hold/Spooks/mf_luder/2e4940154f45.jpg)

Yeah that will do :P

Point is REAL people have no problem vetting themselves ATS requires it of anyone that makes claims to being someone  even if only to staff in private

When someone fights you to give such proof you have to wonder WHY

BTW  His coming out of the closet was funny  because it freaked out the OP and proved that there are spooks at ATS   LOL

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 20, 2015, 05:19:00 pm
Poblem is tho Pi, that a lot of those 'old men' at these 'dining' meetings are creating our lawful policies.

Not quite true :P

The vast majority of 'regular' Masons are the old boys dining club that we mention. But there are the higher level groups that DO 'help each other to rule the politics" There is no denying that. These would be the top tiers of the Scottish Rights, the Bonesmen, the Bilderberg Club etc.

And yes they would help even YOU if you wanted that kind of help :P After all Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands was/is? head of the Bilderbergs and Hillary Clinton is a member...

If you want to be someone in politics that would be your ticket  :P But remember that only the good politicians get assassinated :D

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 05:20:44 pm
Sinny,

Sometimes it is the obvious that we dont notice at first.

During my years of study into the history, it seems evident there is
a definite pool of members cemented into the cause of politics,
even on a grand scale of international politics.
And, of course not that we dont need some good politicians, and
I am sure there are some fine freemasons out there...

And there are a few other ways that the brotherhood works.
Here is an account, rare that it made the news....and it gives
an insight into how it might play out, the oaths etc.

 http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/v-i-high-court-orders-hearing-on-removal-of-suspected-mason-1.1205445

After posting that link, I will again state my opinon that many freemasons
are good guys, not like those in the story.  8)

That's an interesting news story BTS.

Of course, we don't want to 'over play' the extent of these conspiritorial actions, but I'd take care not to underestimate them either..

After all a lot of these business types do get off 'Scot Free'.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: burntheships on April 20, 2015, 05:25:55 pm
That's an interesting news story BTS.

Of course, we don't want to 'over do' the extent of these conspiritorial actions, but I'd take care not to underestimate them too..

After all a lot of these business types do get off 'Scot Free'.

Yep, as Z mentioned look no further than The Bilderbergs.

And good one on that Scot Free  ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 05:31:10 pm
The thought of 'going legit' with my chosen educational route has never crossed my mind. You are quite correct in your assessment, I do not under estimate the British establishment, people are always getting bumped off over here, they mastered the art of that long ago.

Me and the system would not get very far.

The current masses in Britain aren't really people that you can rally politically at the moment (well, apart fom Ireland and Scotsland), most are docile, and the rest disillusioned with the political system full stop.

The next revolution will be a violent one, as JFK once predicted.

I'm just occupying myself in the mean time.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 05:41:58 pm
Yep, as Z mentioned look no further than The Bilderbergs.

And good one on that Scot Free  ;)

As I say, I know there are majority good peeps involved, but they create the veil that is required.

I just believe that if we were to collectively elect a governing body to co-ordinate us a people, then those people should have no hidden investments not open to scrutiny.

Surely that's a fair policy?

[Fair, an elusive expeience in this world]

If some people seek the privledges of secrecy, they can do it with their own poker chips, not 'ours'. (Would of saved us the whole national debt, of which I am foced to contitbute to £101 per annum, my tax slip says so; and all this because I was guilty of being born)

The metaphor of 1% vs 99% (not wholly accurate but it works), what systems have created this blatant inequality?

Figure out what they are, and remove them.

From my perspective, secrecy is one of the top at the list, among others naturally.

In addition to discussing the Freemasons on a macro Level, it is herein important to note that on a micro level, something like 80 or more percent of allll our MP's went to the same school, and were all in the same (British version of) fraternities.

The Brits just keep a lid on things better that our American cousins.
And in further additon to that, many of our 'Lords' are high ranking Freemasons, as are our 'Royal' (wretched) household.

Very local to IMO.

The policies they pass through ae absurd, they in no way represent we the people, they are clearly representing themselves.

This is all in the MSN, let alone me trying to stress the bizarre scenario.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: burntheships on April 20, 2015, 05:56:34 pm
As I say, I know there are majority good peeps involved, but they create the veil that is required.


Ah, Sinny your on an insightful streak here.

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I just believe that if we were to collectively elect a governing body to co-orinate us a people, those people should have no hidden investments not open to scrutiny.


I agree with everything your saying...which is why I would be
casting a vote for a candidate that stands against this status quo
in Washington. Few and far between they are, and likely will not
occupy POTUS for that very reason.

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The metaphor of 1% vs 99% (not wholly accurate but it works), what systems have created this blatant inequality?

Figure out what they are, and remove them.

From my perspective, secrecy is one of the top at the list, among others naturally.

Agree on the basic premise, ( I think the occupy movement was mostly
astroturf but some genuine activists also, just my opinion  )
I try to hold out hope for an honest candidate to make it to office
one of these days, not holding my breath. Those in the upper echelons
are privy to a lot of information, as Hillary would know ask her
about Cattle Futures. Of course, she still skims along the pond scum
afloat in the corrupt waters, And political favors traded for donations,
it really makes a mockery of the offices.

Many players to keep it all crusty at the top, buddies like Jon Corzine
and players in the Federal Reserve and SEC to boot.





Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 20, 2015, 06:06:35 pm
"Society is like a stew, the scum will rise to the top if you don't stir it now and then".
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 21, 2015, 06:53:04 am


I've always known that we need to take the 'business' out of politics, but to do that, we need to remove their system of operation too.

How you do that? We already know at this point 'business' OWNs the politics.

(http://oi59.tinypic.com/2j5gmko.jpg)
Source:https://thejuicemedia.com/some-thoughts-on-rn30-the-new-world-order-with-giordano/ (https://thejuicemedia.com/some-thoughts-on-rn30-the-new-world-order-with-giordano/)

In fact they owns all the world population control tools. (govs, religions, education and media.)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 21, 2015, 07:49:27 am
Looks like I'm suffering a wee bit more than you Russo:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/thing_zpss4o6xcui.png) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/thing_zpss4o6xcui.png.html)

Lol.

Triangle is the system.

We needs to change the system.

Simple really isn't it.

Perhaps a system more like:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/thing2_zpss6wqayoo.png) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/thing2_zpss6wqayoo.png.html)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 21, 2015, 07:52:40 am
Looks like I'm suffering a more than you Russo:

 :(

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Simple really isn't it.

 :'(


Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Somamech on April 21, 2015, 11:42:39 am
"Society is like a stew, the scum will rise to the top if you don't stir it now and then".

And here I present you with a Bloody Legend in my Eye's ;)

Kathrine Switzer

The video below is a quick tale of her experience in regards to being the first woman to run the Boston Marathon.  If you can search out her recent interview on Aussie Radio where she detail's the whole;e ordeal then knock yourself out good and proper!     

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOGXvBAmTsY[/youtube]

It has been said many times by various people that this Planet is either a Kindergarten like planet or a prison like planet. I cannot help to think those people who said such may be right as the evidence never stop's LOL

But this is odd huh ?  Why did some men help Kath and some did not ? and who were they aligned to ?  Maybe some people saw right and sorted it ;)

 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rdunk on April 21, 2015, 01:03:25 pm
Soma, my guess is, because I often do it too, you probably left the "s" on the http... so the video won't play. I looked this up on YouTube, and I will repost what I hope is your link. :)


[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOGXvBAmTsY[/youtube]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 21, 2015, 04:00:06 pm
What is this 'S' that appears? It's ruining my links too..
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rdunk on April 21, 2015, 10:27:34 pm
What is this 'S' that appears? It's ruining my links too..

Sinny, I "think" the s in YouTube"s http(s) links is related to their security, and when we post and item with that type of  link, we have to delete the s for, the link to work here.

I did just look for something more on this, and found a blog that has some discussion on it. Included is this statement, "When a user visits a page served over HTTP, their connection is open for eavesdropping and man-in-the-middle (MITM) attacks. When a user visits a page served over HTTPS, their connection with the web server is authenticated and encrypted with SSL and hence safeguarded from eavesdroppers and MITM attacks".


Just FYI for us. I will post a link to the complete article which gives some discussion of this area in detail. (I did have to delete an "s" from this link too! :)


http://blog.mozilla.org/tanvi/2013/04/10/mixed-content-blocking-enabled-in-firefox-23/
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Pimander on April 22, 2015, 07:19:54 am
https is indeed encrryption.  There is an excellent add-on that you can install in your browser that always uses https when it is available to keep your browsing more private.  It works in Firefox, Chrome and Opera.

If you use internet explorer then you probably don't care about privacy anyway. :P

https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere

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HTTPS Everywhere is a Firefox, Chrome, and Opera extension that encrypts your communications with many major websites, making your browsing more secure. Encrypt the web: Install HTTPS Everywhere today.

HTTPS Everywhere is produced as a collaboration between The Tor Project and the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Many sites on the web offer some limited support for encryption over HTTPS, but make it difficult to use. For instance, they may default to unencrypted HTTP, or fill encrypted pages with links that go back to the unencrypted site. The HTTPS Everywhere extension fixes these problems by using clever technology to rewrite requests to these sites to HTTPS.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: space otter on April 22, 2015, 07:21:40 am


rdunk

you can leave the s in the link to go back to the page
but  you have to take the second s out of the link to have the you tube play

i.e this will take you to the you tube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy9Gu8PtIKo


enclose the link with the brackets and remove the second s and it will just show the you tube and
be playable in your thread

[youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy9Gu8PtIKo[/youtube]

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:22:41 pm
All you need here at Pegasus to post a Youtube link is paste the ID number into the YT icon

The ID number is everything AFTER the = sign and BEFORE and # or & sign
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:38:03 pm
Re "You are HERE" on that Pyramid

Well you are there by your own CHOICE

I posted in another thread that the reason the 5% have all the money and the95% are broke is because "A Fool and his Money are soon Parted"  The rich know this to be true and use it against you, the Fool :P

Now some people don't care about money and just get what they need to survive and have no desire to become rich... but let's leave those out of it

The reason people are Fools is because they fall into the trap of needing STUFF and thus spend beyond what they have and are easily pulled into credit cards etc...

People also refuse to learn the 'tricks of the trade' to better use their money that they do have wisely...

True this is not taught in schools (Though Las Vegas high schools do have a course in basic money management)  But the tools are easily found today on the internet, something we didn't have years ago

If you really want to learn how to survive in this modern world, ask me  I have a few tips :D

I did start a thread at the beginning but it was wiped out when we had our first hack attack

I will do one again

But Rule Number One is STOP being a FOOL

:D

Will you get rich on what I can tell you?  Well that depends on YOU and how you apply the tools :P

Instead of complaining about the rich... and there methods...   how about learning the secrets they use?

And no I don't mean become mean and ruthless :P It really is not required unless GREED take you over
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 22, 2015, 01:42:00 pm


Well you are there by your own CHOICE

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- Impossible! We are victims! I'm a VICTIM of the frickin' SYSTEM!
:P ::)
http://thejuicemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RN30-The-New-World-Order.pdf (http://thejuicemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/RN30-The-New-World-Order.pdf)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:46:03 pm
Looks like I'm suffering a wee bit more than you Russo:
Lol.

Didn't the UK have a Women running things awhile back?  The Queen of the Netherlands runs the Bilderbergs, Queen E has all that gold and a palace  Lots of mean old women running politics and getting rich in America and there is that big nasty one in Australia with all the mines :P

So being a women in this day and age is not the setback :P

If people spent half the time they do complaining on making a buck, they would have a lot of bucks :P

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:51:12 pm
- Impossible! We are victims! I'm a VICTIM of the frickin' SYSTEM!

You have CHOSEN to be Victim...   The word "Impossible" is not in my vocabulary

First ask yourself WHY are you a victim?

(Note: I am not talking about third world countries where your only option is LEAVE for a better place.  But then I remember Cubans swimming to America  If they made shore they were home free. THOSE people did not have impossible in their vocabulary either)

My parents barely made it through the war in Germany...  they sold everything they had left and took the first available boat to Canada :P

You have to DECIDE and TAKE ACTION to beat the system :D  It took me 5 years to get into the USA but we worked at it constantly. I had a house in Canada but before we left GM closed the plant in Oshawa and our property value dropped so we had to abandon it. Barely had the money to rent the moving truck...  but we made it because we wanted to
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 22, 2015, 01:55:30 pm
About the gender issue, I ask you, dont you know or are aware of any queen nowadays?

We have plenty of women that are bosses here in my country. Our president as nº1 example.

Yet many women still live in constant terror. Check out the Middle East. Those ones live a "second class" lives or even worst than that. Those ones that shape that "pyramid".


Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 22, 2015, 02:01:34 pm
You have CHOSEN to be Victim...   The word "Impossible" is not in my vocabulary

First ask yourself WHY are you a victim?


No Z., you do not understand me. . Im not a victim. We all are guilty. Check the pdf I posted and you will understand.

Even better check this "song":

[youtube]W4nSjPdT788[/youtube]

Just to make myself clear. I agree with every little word that comes from their mouths as their conclusion about the OWN NWO situation. There is more in it to see tho.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: space otter on April 22, 2015, 02:02:35 pm

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« Reply #162 on: April 19, 2015, 07:30:30 AM







I’ve been reading this thread off and on and find it kinda represents my own journey of what is and what isn’t...
not that I have many conclusions but I do have some observations 
I was reluctant to toss my observations in but why not

only personal observations here folks.. no stones being thrown at anyone

no one has actually ever seen god the good and I have never heard/read that anyone has actually seen the bad demon figures..but a lot of folk who go looking and focus on one or the other find essences of power..and label it good or bad....never realizing that they have called that essence into existence
pets r us story is  just that.. a call into existence of something by explicit means...and he did recognize his part
rdunk on the other hand calls via prayer  and see  the results
BUT  they both get results they were looking for...and they both feel the result is more than they are
many folk are this way...
where is the power in this
obviously it is with the person calling otherwise these essences would be running loose
 do any of us recognize our own power?  and then use it to route our lives as we want?
mostly as soon as we see any result we toss our power to the result....HUH !!!   WHY?

are the evils in the world because of folks calling without precautions or true knowledge of what they are calling?
are we doomed by what has been let loose
I can surely see why rdunk is finding humor in this..
belief in half -  the evil part without belief in the god part and then pointing fingers at him for belief in the good part
it’s always easier to see the other guy as the dumb one

you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil
 it is we sorry ass humans who have the power and have abdicated it
we toss responsibility to what has been called and then make request from our own creations
we are missing the point

we are the power to change it all  but we hide in fear of the power we have
we recognize certain symbols 
but we think they have the power when they are only tools to be used
we have the power if only we would look deeply at ourselves and accept it
just think about it


stepping off my soap box....



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 02:23:26 pm
About the gender issue, I ask you, dont you know or are aware of any queen nowadays?

Queen Hillary :P

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We have plenty of women that are bosses here in my country. Our president as nº1 example.

Oddly enough though most women that DO get into power are worse tyrants than the men :D  Never met a woman boss that wasn't a total Bytch :P

My wife would get fires everytime she worked for a woman boss :D

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Yet many women still live in constant terror. Check out the Middle East. Those ones live a "second class" lives or even worst than that. Those ones that shape that "pyramid".

The Middle East is fast heading back for the Dark Ages  During the time of the Shaw of Iran it was looking like the Moderates were becoming the reality...  Today things are reverting back to Extremism. Only solution to the Middle East is NUKE it all and let the three Gods sort it out
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 02:26:59 pm
No Z., you do not understand me. . Im not a victim.

No I meant 'you' as a generic 'you' :P not You Russo :D

Seems no one that claims they are a victim can answer me WHY they think they are victims and trapped. You cannot help them if you cannot identify the problem

I hate RAP :P  but I got your point
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 22, 2015, 02:28:04 pm


Oddly enough though most women that DO get into power are worse tyrants than the men :D  Never met a woman boss that wasn't a total Bytch :P

My wife would get fires everytime she worked for a woman boss :D

buahahaahahah :D

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Only solution to the Middle East is NUKE it all and let the three Gods sort it out

Take the women and children first out of there. I assume they do not have any guilt about that mess.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: RUSSO on April 22, 2015, 02:31:31 pm

Seems no one that claims they are a victim can answer me WHY they think they are victims and trapped. You cannot help them if you cannot identify the problem


Is not it what they do with drug addicted people? Make them recognize and isolate it first then they may have a chance out of it?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 02:37:31 pm
REPEAT   >>>   REPEAT   >>>   REPEAT

you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil


LOL I was going to answer that last night and lost the post...

Yes it comes down to the Secret  The Law of Attraction... Mind over Matter

The "Cabal'  The "Illuminati"  these people have learned that they CAN call the powers they need and use them for their own gain. We label these people 'evil' yet do not see that we can use the SAME methods to create what we call "good"

I have always said this in different ways  You can manefest what you need

This is what the Secret Societies  the real ones teach... this is what they train you for and this is what they held secret for so long because if everyone went around creating everything they wanted we would have true chaos

HOWEVER... though the Secret does work (and true prayer is really the same thing with a different focus point)  while in theory the Secret SHOULD work on a large scale ( Like Jesus's mountains and Yoda's ship lifting)  it seems that in today's world it does NOT work on a grand scale

We can use it however on a personal scale... we can channel other people to think alike and focus that combined energy (which is what the 'Cabal' do with the so called 'mind control' :P

But we cannot seem to master using it on a large scale for good

WHY? Are we blocked by the Dark Side somehow? Are there Aliens interfering with us? Or are we being punished by some yet unknown force?

I don't know  But I DO know we can use it to better our personal situation and maybe that of a few friends and family who will listen
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 02:40:43 pm
Is not it what they do with drug addicted people? Make them recognize and isolate it first then they may have a chance out of it?

yes an addict needs to first know he is an addict :P

Same thing here A victim of the system has to first look in the mirror and find out WHY he/she is a victim.  Then we can focus on the cure :P

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on April 23, 2015, 02:53:22 am
Didn't the UK have a Women running things awhile back?  The Queen of the Netherlands runs the Bilderbergs, Queen E has all that gold and a palace  Lots of mean old women running politics and getting rich in America and there is that big nasty one in Australia with all the mines :P

So being a women in this day and age is not the setback :P

If people spent half the time they do complaining on making a buck, they would have a lot of bucks :P

I was highlighting the inaccuracy of his pyramid design  :P

Although he has rightly pointed out that in other cultures women are still second class citizens .
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on April 23, 2015, 01:18:00 pm
The Middle East is fast heading back for the Dark Ages  During the time of the Shaw of Iran it was looking like the Moderates were becoming the reality...
Only for those that supported the Shah's fascist regime.  ::)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on April 23, 2015, 03:24:21 pm
Only for those that supported the Shah's fascist regime.  ::)

Yeah :P  I suppose Ayatollah Khomeini was a vast improvement in Democracy and tolerance :P

(http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/khomeini01.jpg)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on April 23, 2015, 04:24:20 pm
Yeah :P  I suppose Ayatollah Khomeini was a vast improvement in Democracy and tolerance :P

(http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/khomeini01.jpg)
It wasn't, but pretending that everything was good before hides the truth and one of the reasons why they had the revolution they had.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Glaucon on May 02, 2015, 12:02:07 am
"It is those only who learn habitually to think better of each other, to look habitually for the good that is in each other, and expect, allow for, and overlook, the evil, who can be Brethren one of the other, in any true sense of the word. Those who gloat over the failings of one another, who think each other to be naturally base and low, of a nature in which the Evil predominates and excellence is not to be looked for, cannot be even friends, and much less Brethren."
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 02, 2015, 02:43:59 pm
I posted in another thread that the reason the 5% have all the money and the95% are broke is because "A Fool and his Money are soon Parted"  The rich know this to be true and use it against you, the Fool :P

I see.  The rich are psychopaths, clearly.  They do unEthical things.  And They have the power to do them.  Yup.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2015, 04:36:12 pm
It wasn't, but pretending that everything was good before hides the truth and one of the reasons why they had the revolution they had.

Hmmm well if you say so :P  But it was more likely that they were afraid of THIS

(http://iranian.com/main/files/blogimages/CaspianSeaBabolsarIran1971.jpg)
Two Ways of Life: a middle-aged veiled woman sitting on the beach of the Caspian Sea, is a striking contrast to young bikini-clad girls from Tehran enjoying a weekend near Babolsar (August 23rd, 1971) 

And THIS Women learning to READ

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jNLBy3Vh7WQ/ULhoYo-JhvI/AAAAAAACDKo/XtiSLS5ImVs/s1600/Iran,+1970+(2).jpg)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2015, 04:40:17 pm
I see.

No you don't  You wear blinders :P

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The rich are psychopaths, clearly.

I know lots of rich people. They are very nice and are not psychopaths. You cannot label everyone by the few

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They do unEthical things.

So do poor people  and there are a lot more of them so per capita poor people do a lot more unethical things

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And They have the power to do them. 

Everyone has the power  You simply have to learn the Rules of the Game and USE them  and you don't have to be unethical to do it

But I am spitting into the wind :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 02, 2015, 05:27:26 pm
Hmmm well if you say so :P
Yes, I do say so, I really lived under a fascist regime like the one in Iran during the Shah's rule, I know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 02, 2015, 06:13:53 pm
No you don't  You wear blinders :P

I know lots of rich people. They are very nice and are not psychopaths. You cannot label everyone by the few

So do poor people  and there are a lot more of them so per capita poor people do a lot more unethical things

Everyone has the power  You simply have to learn the Rules of the Game and USE them  and you don't have to be unethical to do it

But I am spitting into the wind :P

I do not "wear blinders."  You said a fool, etc., and only money motivates unEthical behavior towards fools.

Yes, the poor make unEthical choices, mostly out of desperation.  Rich People do it often for the fun of it, the duper's delight.  And I'm not talking about millionaires, even.  Let's get up to the top end of billionaire and into the trillionaire rich.

As for these rules, why are they nowhere clearly defined?  Why is it always, "You just have to think about it correctly and the whole world will fall at Your feet?"  But what that "correct way" is I have found zero specifics on.  I spent years believing, knowing, with absolute certainty, that every job app was going to lead to an offer.  So far, that "knowledge" has failed Me.

So rather than spit into the wrong direction, maybe a nice, clear-cut set of instructions is the best thing to produce.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rdunk on May 02, 2015, 09:43:51 pm
"Let's get up to the top end of billionaire and into the trillionaire rich."

Who are the "trillionaires" you are referring to?? I am not aware of those individuals!
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Glaucon on May 03, 2015, 12:23:54 am
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As for these rules, why are they nowhere clearly defined?  Why is it always, "You just have to think about it correctly and the whole world will fall at Your feet?"  But what that "correct way" is I have found zero specifics on.
It's frustrating, I remember well.

Keep struggling with that notion above, and hopefully it comes to you.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 01:02:21 am
As for these rules, why are they nowhere clearly defined?

Well actually they are clearly defined and available albeit they are not broadcast nor taught in public schools  (Though to Clark County Nevada's credit they are teaching the basics in high school

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Why is it always, "You just have to think about it correctly and the whole world will fall at Your feet?" 

"Think and Grow Rich" is a popular title of just such a concept... :D  You could start by reading that to get the mind set going. Yes the Secret (Law of Attraction) plays a role but more than that you need to get in the right frame of mind

I cannot answer why you don't get jobs... I don't have enough information on that. I only know that I went door to door seeking work and so did my daughter when she was recently fired (wrongfully) from K Mart... We drove around leaving applications anywhere that would take them (not online)  and ACE Hardware hired her in a week part time.  She has already moved up to full time.

My wife, (now moved out) has the same problem as you... can't seem to find a job or in her case hold one for long. But in her case I know it is an attitude and anger issue that is her undoing  and as she gets older  it gets harder for people to want to take a chance.

So if a job is not available ( I suppose burger flippers of America is not an option? :P ) then you have to look elsewhere

Now I have tried to show people how to make some cash in this crazy world.  It works if you give it a chance...

I have also posted several threads on the methods to use other peoples money to make money  and its not unethical...

I will do a batch of pages on the website on this  step by step. It is likely to be seen there :D  Now these methods are for America and Canada  likely will work in Australia and UK  I don't know much about how Europe and the 3rd world operates so it is only good here in the USA :P


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But what that "correct way" is I have found zero specifics on.

Well there is no single 'correct way' as several ways work and lead to the same results. But there is a sure way to increase any money you do have.  Before you tell me you only have .64 cents to your name :P I am talking in general :D   

If you really do want to learn a few of the tricks you will have to LISTEN and try it :P  Not just dismiss it,  I will notify people when I start the pages  I have some issues to clear up first as I now have to pay ALL the bills at home myself, but I will start them this next week or so

In the meantime  Do you have a bicycle and can you ride one?

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I spent years believing, knowing, with absolute certainty, that every job app was going to lead to an offer.  So far, that "knowledge" has failed Me.

As I said I have no idea why it didn't work without knowing what you brought to the table and where you applied.  Sometimes we expect more and are not willing to accept a lower position just to get income flowing.  I find it difficult to believe any able bodied person cannot find SOME work  especially one who is not tied down to a location by house or family

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So rather than spit into the wrong direction, maybe a nice, clear-cut set of instructions is the best thing to produce.

Good idea  It has helped other in the past and maybe someone will get something from my effort :D

Just for a primer  did you know that the amount of effort to turn 1,000 into 10,000 is the SAME as turning 100 into 1,000  or 10,000 into 100,000

This is one of the TRUE CONSTANTS  in the money game :D  What it means is that you have to first have 100.00 that you can play with (not for food or bills etc)  You have to first get this 100.00 of 'play money' and be prepared to lose it once or twice.  Once you reach that goal  the work begins :D

But I promise I will cover all that in the web pages   No one to interupt me there :D

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 01:12:48 am
I do not "wear blinders."  You said a fool, etc., and only money motivates unEthical behavior towards fools.

Yes you wear blinders :P All you see is the evil of money... and so you have come to hate money itself.  Maybe you do it subconsciously  maybe its deliberate  I don't know but you cannot easily see beyond your hate of money

" A Fool"   Yes that is an old saying about someone losing hi/her money

Look at it this way...  the average person goes to work, earns a decent income that if used wisely can pay his bills, feed his family and maybe have a little left over for a beer with the guys. 

But how easily is this average person coerced or enticed into giving up that little extra?  They wave credit cards at you so you can have it now  pay later. They show you what all the well off people in Holiywood have and do... so they make you crave those things  And before you can blink an eye...  The average person signs on that line and goes spending

Now NO ONE is forcing that person to spend his money foolishly  It is just that human nature takes over.  It is NOT brain washing per say, though repeating things over and over does lure the rube in :P

And it is not only Hu-mons :P Ravens will do it  and so do Ferrets... You should see them fight you when they want something and are stealing it and you try to take it from them   MINE!!!!!

We are Ravens  easily distracted by pretties  and we are Ferrets, slyly hoarding stuff we really have no need for

And the rich know this  and keep dangling the bait :D  Stop biting on the hook... burn the credit cards  I love the new ATM cards that act like a credit card when you need one, but are limited to what you actually have in the bank :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 03, 2015, 06:17:59 am
I do not "wear blinders."

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Let's get up to the top end of billionaire and into the trillionaire rich.
You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.

The last time you were asked about those imaginary trillionaires you said "The trillionaires probably insist no such list be compiled".

The worst kind of fool is the one that fools him/herself.  :(
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 11:22:36 am
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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 12:33:55 pm
It's frustrating, I remember well.

Keep struggling with that notion above, and hopefully it comes to you.

LOL!  Been "struggling" with that idea for 25 years or more.  At this point I doubt it will be doing much changing...
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 12:49:03 pm
Yes you wear blinders :P All you see is the evil of money... and so you have come to hate money itself.  Maybe you do it subconsciously  maybe its deliberate  I don't know but you cannot easily see beyond your hate of money

And You are so wrong!  I LOVE money when it is used Ethically.  I LOVE it when *I* have it.  I wish I had a pile to roll around in!!!  What I hate is the UNETHICAL use of money - and it will ALWAYS promote unEthical choices, and will always promote psychopaths to the top (psychopathy is genetic - why do You think "the families" inbreed?).  And...  Virtually ALL unethical choices have to do with money and/or the power over Others it affords (that power draws psychopaths like flies to honey).

So, wrong, wrong, wrong.

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" A Fool"   Yes that is an old saying about someone losing hi/her money

Uh, yeah.  That's a given.

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Look at it this way...  the average person goes to work, earns a decent income that if used wisely can pay his bills, feed his family and maybe have a little left over for a beer with the guys. 

Maybe the average Person used to have a decent income.  These days, the average Person is struggling just to put food on table and a roof over that table.  More and more are going homeless in this psychopath-run set of systems.

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But how easily is this average person coerced or enticed into giving up that little extra?  They wave credit cards at you so you can have it now  pay later. They show you what all the well off people in Holiywood have and do... so they make you crave those things  And before you can blink an eye...  The average person signs on that line and goes spending

The average Person today has nothing like this.

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Now NO ONE is forcing that person to spend his money foolishly  It is just that human nature takes over.  It is NOT brain washing per say, though repeating things over and over does lure the rube in :P

Yes, it IS brainwashing.  From birth We are taught to want.  We are taught to define Ourselves in terms of what We have materially.  We define "success" as having lots of accounting units.  The corporate realm seeks to have Us wanting all the time, for the purpose of profit.  They advertise and market specifically to encourage this approach. 

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And it is not only Hu-mons :P Ravens will do it  and so do Ferrets... You should see them fight you when they want something and are stealing it and you try to take it from them   MINE!!!!!

They are predisposed.  Humans have to be trained - and They do a very good job of training Us to behave such that They profit.

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We are Ravens  easily distracted by pretties  and we are Ferrets, slyly hoarding stuff we really have no need for

BS.  We are trained from birth, and even then, the training does not stick on a fair few of Us.

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And the rich know this  and keep dangling the bait :D  Stop biting on the hook... burn the credit cards  I love the new ATM cards that act like a credit card when you need one, but are limited to what you actually have in the bank :P

I have not a single credit card.  Not a single bank account.  I withdrew consent from this psychopath's paradise of a money system and a top-down controlmind.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 01:05:06 pm
You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.

The last time you were asked about those imaginary trillionaires you said "The trillionaires probably insist no such list be compiled".

The worst kind of fool is the one that fools him/herself.  :(

Uh, I am always open to being proven wrong.  So.  Prove Me wrong.  I have studied things diligently and have arrived at many conclusions, but I do leave open the possibility that I do not have all the data, or even bad data.  But where I make conclusions, I have gotten enough data to give likelihood of incomplete or bad data as being very low.

Again, prove Me wrong.  I can handle it.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 03, 2015, 01:09:54 pm
Uh, I am always open to being proven wrong.  So.  Prove Me wrong.
Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?

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I have studied things diligently and have arrived at many conclusions, but I do leave open the possibility that I do not have all the data, or even bad data.  But where I make conclusions, I have gotten enough data to give likelihood of incomplete or bad data as being very low.
You're the second person I have seen on Internet forums that accepts the possibility of using bad data but doesn't talk about the possibility of being wrong in their conclusions based on the available data.

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Again, prove Me wrong.  I can handle it.
I doubt it, but, as I said above, you are the one that should prove that you are right.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 01:46:17 pm
I will do a batch of pages on the website on this  step by step. It is likely to be seen there :D  Now these methods are for America and Canada  likely will work in Australia and UK  I don't know much about how Europe and the 3rd world operates so it is only good here in the USA :P

Looking forward.

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Well there is no single 'correct way' as several ways work and lead to the same results. But there is a sure way to increase any money you do have.  Before you tell me you only have .64 cents to your name :P I am talking in general :D   

Since I'm the One being crapped on because it's all My fault, I would rather You offer things for Those of Us starting with nothing.  Not useful if You have to have something to make something.

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If you really do want to learn a few of the tricks you will have to LISTEN and try it :P  Not just dismiss it,  I will notify people when I start the pages  I have some issues to clear up first as I now have to pay ALL the bills at home myself, but I will start them this next week or so

Well, I imagine those bills are a drop in the bucket.  Since You have been so grossly successful in thinking Yourself rich.

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In the meantime  Do you have a bicycle and can you ride one?

No and no.

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As I said I have no idea why it didn't work without knowing what you brought to the table and where you applied.  Sometimes we expect more and are not willing to accept a lower position just to get income flowing.  I find it difficult to believe any able bodied person cannot find SOME work  especially one who is not tied down to a location by house or family

Limited to desk jobs, I have applied to every one I have found that I even remotely qualify for - all around the effing planet.  Night desk at motels, bookkeeper, admin. assistant, and anything that deals with graphics.  As long as I don't have to stand long periods of time, and I come close on requirements, I apply.  And I would not put Myself in the "able bodied" category.  I am limited.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 01:51:30 pm
And You are so wrong!  I LOVE money  I LOVE it when *I* have it.  I wish I had a pile to roll around in!!!

Okay then :P Then you need to change your focus to THINK MONEY. You still living at Thor's Cabin?

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These days, the average Person is struggling just to put food on table and a roof over that table.  More and more are going homeless in this psychopath-run set of systems.

Not sure where you get your figures but I drive around Las Vegas and California and I see the vast majority doing just fine,  Sure tougher than in the past, more belt tightening, but the foreclosures are dropping in numbers and all the ones I know that got taken away  everyone was because the people had more house than they could afford

Two neighbors foolishly took out a loan on the house when values sky rocketed a few years ago then got caught in the crash.  One took 40,000 and bought a new truck. He walked because the value was less than he owed and he lived there 18 months not paying mortgage until they finally took it over.  So he came out ahead  Bank took a big loss

The other one was an elderly couple. He let his son take a business loan against the house.  When the crash came, the son refused to make the payments  End result his parents were now without a home. Sad part is he was going to go for a reverse mortgage but his son talked him out of it to get the loan'

So there are always two sides of a coin
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 01:51:57 pm
Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?
You're the second person I have seen on Internet forums that accepts the possibility of using bad data but doesn't talk about the possibility of being wrong in their conclusions based on the available data.
I doubt it, but, as I said above, you are the one that should prove that you are right.

Oh, I am sure there are no trillionaires.  You're right, ArMaP.  [shrug]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 02:01:07 pm
The average Person today has nothing like this

Sure they do  Why do you think credit card debt is so high in this country?  Most people except the ones that have nothing have some form of card

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Yes, it IS brainwashing.  From birth We are taught to want.  We are taught to define Ourselves in terms of what We have materially.  We define "success" as having lots of accounting units.  The corporate realm seeks to have Us wanting all the time, for the purpose of profit.  They advertise and market specifically to encourage this approach. 

My parents survived the war in Germany  They were literally bombed out of house and home. They taught us how to deal with nothing and stuff our pride in the garbage and do what you must. I have passed this on to my kids. The Medieval groups I associate with have long ago learned that you can make yourself a King or queen from nothing but a little effort. Like attracts like... associate with those who SHOOK OFF the 'brainwashing' 

My daughter also wants the stuff she sees on TV :P  But she has learned that patience and effort will get her those things at a fraction of the cost

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They are predisposed.  Humans have to be trained - and They do a very good job of training Us to behave such that They profit.

Humans also have a free will... they can break alcohol, tobacco and drug addictions if they WANT to. Same rule applies to STUFF

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BS.  We are trained from birth, and even then, the training does not stick on a fair few of Us.

You just contradicted yourself in one line  LOL You just admitted not all of us are falling for the brainwashing
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 02:03:27 pm
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I have not a single credit card.  Not a single bank account.  I withdrew consent from this psychopath's paradise of a money system and a top-down controlmind.

Therein lies the problem

What you are doing is blaming the TOOL and discarding it rather than using the tool wisely.

That is like a carpenter tossing away his hammer and wondering why he cannot build anything

You say you LOVE money  You say you would LOVE to have it but then you toss away the shovel that will help you get it.


Sigh....
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 02:12:20 pm
But where I make conclusions, I have gotten enough data to give likelihood of incomplete or bad data as being very low.

Perhaps you are focusing on the conclusions you WISH to draw and thus not analysing the data correctly

Lets look at it this way... You are not likely, baring a Miracle like a gold meteorite landing at your feet :P. to ever be rich. The goal should not be to be rich but to first be COMFORTABLE and be able to enjoy life

Let the rich do their thing in the Hamptons or Beverly Hills  Trust me they don't have a lot of fun :P

Focus on getting enough to be FREE

They say money cannot buy happiness   They LIED :P  Because with enough money you can travel the world and be happy, you can buy the things that make you happy  so long as you don't let it control you

They say money cannot buy you love, but money will allow you to put yourself into situations where you are likely to meet someone to love. Stuck at home without a dime gives you few options

They say money cannot buy you health.  But it can buy the best doctors and give you a better chance  My legs need surgery  It is available in Germany for 60,000 plus airfare  I cannot afford it. If I could my problem would likely be fixed.

It is POSSIBLE to use their tool and live within their system  but still be free... it truly is



Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 03, 2015, 02:28:12 pm
Oh, I am sure there are no trillionaires.  You're right, ArMaP.  [shrug]
I was sure that you were going to answer something like that, I even wrote in my previous post but decided to delete that part before posting it.

PS: change the blinders from time to time, they may get too worn out from too much use. ;)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 02:34:04 pm
Looking forward.

 ::)

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Since I'm the One being crapped on because it's all My fault, I would rather You offer things for Those of Us starting with nothing.  Not useful if You have to have something to make something.

True that is why I said I will do it in sequence  and that is why I asked if you can ride a bicycle and still lived in Thor's cabin.


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Well, I imagine those bills are a drop in the bucket.  Since You have been so grossly successful in thinking Yourself rich.

Well actually they are not a drop in the bucket. :P Do I consider myself Rich? Well I suppose by some standards I am, even though I don't have the money to cover the bills for June yet. I have a house (still owe the bank 108 K on that one but values are up again :D   Now that doesn't matter because I have no intent to sell so its a moot point.

At this point I will add NEVER  NEVER take a loan against the equity in your house  NEVER  Repeat after me NEVER Tempting as it may be  this is why people lose homes

So just to spell it out. My income is the small Canadian pension that I was allowed to collect early plus my teamsters pension I took early because of the legs  Those two combined come to about 700.00 a month  Mortgage is 1050.00 and all utilities come to about 800.00 a month.

So without the wife putting in her share there is little in the way of riches :P  YES it is MY choice that I live here still. I could now sell and come out a head a little but I have to live somewhere :P  So to manage the bills and keep things going it is obvious I have to practice what I preach :P and get some free money

Now I do have one Richness  I have been a scrounger and collector all my life. Yes I have even taken stuff tossed in the trash and taken time to restore it  or take it to the scrap yard.

Two weeks ago I took in 600 pounds of iron collected in the yard from trash days and some aluminum and copper wire.... Got $186.00 cash  very little effort

Many people I know that have had issues with losing jobs and can't make ends meet have found online sales was good enough to pull them out

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Limited to desk jobs, I have applied to every one I have found that I even remotely qualify for - all around the effing planet.  Night desk at motels, bookkeeper, admin. assistant, and anything that deals with graphics.  As long as I don't have to stand long periods of time, and I come close on requirements, I apply.  And I would not put Myself in the "able bodied" category.  I am limited.

Ah well I did not know that you are limited mobility.  So have you tried seeking those work at home computer jobs?  Sure a lot of scams are out there but there are legitimate jobs out there. Two I know of for certain... Medical Billing... they always need people to work at home

Beta testing of Game (this is more for an experienced gamer)  One fellow we worked with at the convention center (and he was partners in a display company) made &3600.00 average a month testing video game in his spare time,  He too had limited mobility from a motor cycle acciddent.  There are many companies online seeking beta testors

These are just two example  I will seek out more for the web pages
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 03:06:03 pm
You just contradicted yourself in one line  LOL You just admitted not all of us are falling for the brainwashing

Nooooo....  I replied to You saying We are ferrets and such.  No contradiction.  Most of Us are programmed.  Some are not.  Geez.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 03:09:06 pm
Therein lies the problem

What you are doing is blaming the TOOL and discarding it rather than using the tool wisely.

That is like a carpenter tossing away his hammer and wondering why he cannot build anything

You say you LOVE money  You say you would LOVE to have it but then you toss away the shovel that will help you get it.


Sigh....

WHAT???  I only blame the tool for it's promoting unEthical behavior and psychopaths.  And just what "shovel" do You think I am "throwing away?"  The problem is NOT the tool per se, but that it is a dangerous tool with what it promotes.  Geez again.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 03:14:03 pm
Perhaps you are focusing on the conclusions you WISH to draw and thus not analysing the data correctly

Yup.  You're right.  Whatever.

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Lets look at it this way... You are not likely, baring a Miracle like a gold meteorite landing at your feet :P. to ever be rich. The goal should not be to be rich but to first be COMFORTABLE and be able to enjoy life

Let the rich do their thing in the Hamptons or Beverly Hills  Trust me they don't have a lot of fun :P

Focus on getting enough to be FREE

They say money cannot buy happiness   They LIED :P  Because with enough money you can travel the world and be happy, you can buy the things that make you happy  so long as you don't let it control you

They say money cannot buy you love, but money will allow you to put yourself into situations where you are likely to meet someone to love. Stuck at home without a dime gives you few options

They say money cannot buy you health.  But it can buy the best doctors and give you a better chance  My legs need surgery  It is available in Germany for 60,000 plus airfare  I cannot afford it. If I could my problem would likely be fixed.

It is POSSIBLE to use their tool and live within their system  but still be free... it truly is

Again, sure, it's possible.  But that ability does NOT remove the overall danger to society from using a tool that allows Our psychopaths to run things.  And They ARE.  Chemtrails, loosed GMO's, weather manipulation, fake "news," Agenda 21, and on and on.  PLENTY of evidence They are in control here.

You seem to be mistaking My efforts to solve for psychopaths in control with some personal relationship I have with money in the present systems.  Wrong.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 03:18:46 pm
::)

Ok...  I'm NOT looking forward.  Does that make You feel better?  Geez.  I really am looking forward.  Snideness is rude.

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True that is why I said I will do it in sequence  and that is why I asked if you can ride a bicycle and still lived in Thor's cabin.

It's not Thor's cabin.  I rent a cabin and He has been covering rent/util.  And no bike, no ability to ride one.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 03:42:22 pm
  And They ARE.  Chemtrails, loosed GMO's, weather manipulation, fake "news," Agenda 21, and on and on.  PLENTY of evidence They are in control here.

And at least 50% of stuff you see on the net about those topics is BS but it gets shared as "fact' anyway. Does that not make the conspiracy folkes as bad as the psychopaths?

 ::)

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You seem to be mistaking My efforts to solve for psychopaths in control with some personal relationship I have with money in the present systems.  Wrong.

YOU are so focused on the psychopaths you cannot separate your money woes and my attempst to help from the psychopaths

We KNOW your possession with the psychopaths  You have HAARPed on it for some time. We are trying to address getting you focues on using money to live better
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 04, 2015, 08:29:28 am
And at least 50% of stuff you see on the net about those topics is BS but it gets shared as "fact' anyway. Does that not make the conspiracy folkes as bad as the psychopaths?

 ::)

YOU are so focused on the psychopaths you cannot separate your money woes and my attempst to help from the psychopaths

We KNOW your possession with the psychopaths  You have HAARPed on it for some time. We are trying to address getting you focues on using money to live better

That would be rather selfish of Me to reduce or quit efforts to solve for Them in control here, n'est pas?  Not that I have not:

Put together a book and created a site to sell it on
Created product on Zazzle
Tweeted like mad about both
Created a vid asking for support of My work
Apply to all jobs I find that I am capable of
Set up a site to display My design work and allow Others to contact Me for work
Put My resume up w/link to that site
Tweet like mad about that
All other things that I can think of that I can do

And...  I keep believing, knowing, that each effort is going to bring large return.  I figured it would be a lot sooner than now, but I guess it's all still "in the works."

But it's all My fault. 

And...  You make it sound as if I am obsessed.  Like a rabid fan of a star.  Nothing can be further from the truth.  I have identified the problem Humanity has on this planet:  psychopaths in control.  And I have developed a solution.  I feel obligated (NOT obsessed!) to share awareness to the tipping point that We CAN solve for this unfortunate - and even evil - problem.  For My daughter, especially, and the rest of Humanity, as well.

You can continue to make Me out as some kind of obsessed loon, but that is on You, not Me.  [smile]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 04, 2015, 09:06:40 am
And while We're at it...  What half if these is untrue:

Chemtrails - They're not spraying Us with nanoparticulates of aluminum, strontium, barium?
Loosed GMO's - GMO is not loose on this planet?
Weather manipulation - They're not manipulating weather here?
Fake "news" - Sandy Hook was real?  And all the rest of Their show?
Agenda 21 - It does not exist?

Just those alone are clear evidence of things going on without the Ethical step of getting fully informed consent.  Those alone demonstrate the psychopathy at the top of the power over Others heap.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 04, 2015, 09:45:39 am
And while We're at it...  What half if these is untrue:

Chemtrails - They're not spraying Us with nanoparticulates of aluminum, strontium, barium?
Loosed GMO's - GMO is not loose on this planet?
Weather manipulation - They're not manipulating weather here?
Fake "news" - Sandy Hook was real?  And all the rest of Their show?
Agenda 21 - It does not exist?

Just those alone are clear evidence of things going on without the Ethical step of getting fully informed consent.  Those alone demonstrate the psychopathy at the top of the power over Others heap.
To me, what all those questions demonstrate is that you cannot get clear answers when you ask dubious questions, specially questions that look made in a way to force specific answers.

Chemtrails - Hard to say if they are spraying us or something else, spraying at high altitude will affect all things below it, so they may be spraying the trees (for example) and we are also getting sprayed, although we aren't the target of the spraying. Also, they may be spraying us with those products but not in chemtraisl.
The way the question was made already implied a specific type of answer, so yes, half of that (or even more) can be either true or false.

Loosed GMOs - It depends mostly on what you mean by "loose on this planet", depending on the definition it may be completely false.

Weather manipulation - Has been happening for a long time, but at what level? How much of it is the result of manipulation? Most of the people that talk about it imply that most of today's weather is the result of manipulation, so, in that case, more than half is not true.

Fake "news" - Sure there are fake "news", but your example of Sandy Hook is a good example, as all the reasons I saw for it to have been fake are assumptions based on ignorance of some facts and relying on what other people say without real basis (but I have to say that I haven't followed this for a long time, I stopped when I noticed that ignorance was rampant among the proponents of the fake theory). Most of that talk about fake "news" is based on some people's imagination (or bad intentions).

Agenda 21 - It exists, but, from what I have seen (once more, I haven't followed this much), not as most conspiracy theorists say, so more than half is not true.

PS: the above is, obviously, my opinion, based on what I have seen and read about those topics. I may not have seen many important data about those or my interpretation of the data may be wrong, but at least I don't present my opinion as facts.  :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on May 04, 2015, 02:09:57 pm
You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.

The worst kind of fool is the one that fools him/herself.  :(

Indeed that is so...

How is it that I find so many of you demonstrating hypocricy at it's finest? So many of you standing blind by your own speculations as fact, whilst at the same time managing to spin speculations on known facts?

Amy is no more obsessed with our psychopathic leaders any more than I, and in fact, possibly conderabley less.

Once our current global situation has been disected and scrutinised, our attention is drawn primarily to these psychopaths as the cause of our woes.

Yada, yada, yada, 'the massess ae dumb sheep they cause they're own misery',

And yes that is true to an extent, but the massess will never have a chance to achieve any better whilst being held under thumb of the most wretched of our species, who are probably so in-bred we could get away with calling them a species of their own.

Obviously we are all in the same game, just at different levels, and certainly some of us on different teams, according to his or her own priorities.

.... "They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".....
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on May 04, 2015, 02:17:10 pm
but I do leave open the possibility that I do not have all the data, or even bad data.

Which is more than some people around here...
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Sinny on May 04, 2015, 02:24:00 pm
Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?

I should imagine that the people who 'own' the 'printing of the money' equate to the 'triallionaires'.

Do we need to look further than the world's oldest monetary establishments and their fortunes/heirs?

I imagine the results would be interesting, but as you are speaking so 'matter of a factly', I suppose you have this information to hand and can inform us? 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 04, 2015, 05:04:22 pm
How is it that I find so many of you demonstrating hypocricy at it's finest? So many of you standing blind by your own speculations as fact, whilst at the same time managing to spin speculations on known facts?
Could you be more specific?

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Amy is no more obsessed with our psychopathic leaders any more than I, and in fact, possibly conderabley less.
That doesn't mean much, as you are the only person that knows how much you are obsessed with them.

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And yes that is true to an extent, but the massess will never have a chance to achieve any better whilst being held under thumb of the most wretched of our species, who are probably so in-bred we could get away with calling them a species of their own.
What the masses need (in my opinion, as usual, and based on what I saw during and after the fascist regime that ruled Portugal up to April 25 1974) is to understand what is happening and what they can do. That's why one of the biggest supporters of the Portuguese fascist regime used to say that the common person should only learn enough to sign their name, they shouldn't be able to, for example, know how to read a newspaper. He was right, as what people are really missing is knowledge (real knowledge, not something presented by someone as real knowledge), and I'm not talking about some technical knowledge, I'm talking about knowledge of what they (the people as a whole) need and are capable to do.

The moment people understand and know that, those that keep the thumb over them will also understand it and they will know that they have only one change of getting out of that situation with their lives, and that's to go away on their own.

It's true that they may leave things in a way that makes it easier for them to return, but if people keep on getting real (and relevant) knowledge they will also understand that and see it for what it was, and will act accordingly.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 04, 2015, 05:05:42 pm
I should imagine that the people who 'own' the 'printing of the money' equate to the 'triallionaires'.
Who are they?

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I imagine the results would be interesting, but as you are speaking so 'matter of a factly', I suppose you have this information to hand and can inform us?
What information? I don't understand what you mean. ???
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 04, 2015, 05:46:28 pm
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But it's all My fault.

Wrong.

It's all about Your attitude.

 :-*
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: space otter on May 04, 2015, 08:51:57 pm


this is not a new argument

the sides have been chosen and seen by all who read here
they haven't changed since the last time you guys went in these very same circles


nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance

can we move on please

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: rdunk on May 04, 2015, 11:41:30 pm

this is not a new argument

the sides have been chosen and seen by all who read here
they haven't changed since the last time you guys went in these very same circles


nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance

can we move on please



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Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 05, 2015, 03:39:44 am
To me, what all those questions demonstrate is that you cannot get clear answers when you ask dubious questions, specially questions that look made in a way to force specific answers.

Chemtrails - Hard to say if they are spraying us or something else, spraying at high altitude will affect all things below it, so they may be spraying the trees (for example) and we are also getting sprayed, although we aren't the target of the spraying. Also, they may be spraying us with those products but not in chemtraisl.
The way the question was made already implied a specific type of answer, so yes, half of that (or even more) can be either true or false.

Loosed GMOs - It depends mostly on what you mean by "loose on this planet", depending on the definition it may be completely false.

Weather manipulation - Has been happening for a long time, but at what level? How much of it is the result of manipulation? Most of the people that talk about it imply that most of today's weather is the result of manipulation, so, in that case, more than half is not true.

Fake "news" - Sure there are fake "news", but your example of Sandy Hook is a good example, as all the reasons I saw for it to have been fake are assumptions based on ignorance of some facts and relying on what other people say without real basis (but I have to say that I haven't followed this for a long time, I stopped when I noticed that ignorance was rampant among the proponents of the fake theory). Most of that talk about fake "news" is based on some people's imagination (or bad intentions).

Agenda 21 - It exists, but, from what I have seen (once more, I haven't followed this much), not as most conspiracy theorists say, so more than half is not true.

PS: the above is, obviously, my opinion, based on what I have seen and read about those topics. I may not have seen many important data about those or my interpretation of the data may be wrong, but at least I don't present my opinion as facts.  :P

LOL!  You do reach on a lot there, ArMaP.  There are innumerable samples showing the nanoparticulates in areas where the soil under houses has none, and nanoparticulates do not form in nature.  Can We deduce anything here?  [sigh]

Hon, it's psychopathic all put together, any way You want to look at it. 
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 05, 2015, 03:50:18 am
Wrong.

It's all about Your attitude.

 :-*

What attitude would You suggest?  [smile]
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Amaterasu on May 05, 2015, 03:52:02 am

this is not a new argument

the sides have been chosen and seen by all who read here
they haven't changed since the last time you guys went in these very same circles


nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance

can we move on please



Humble apologies.  You're so very right.  Onwards, then.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: Chiroptera on May 05, 2015, 09:46:22 am
What attitude would You suggest?  [smile]

Wings level, sky above, ground below would be a start...
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 05, 2015, 12:24:24 pm
And...  You make it sound as if I am obsessed.  Like a rabid fan of a star.  Nothing can be further from the truth.  I have identified the problem Humanity has on this planet:  psychopaths in control. 

Let's see if you can post for one week and not use the word "psychopath"

 ::)

Perhaps your negative thoughts about the evil uses of money are over powering your thoughts of receiving any.

Okay  You live in a Cabin in the woods. Lots of Oaks around. You have a friend that has a chain saw and cut wood for a living :P

With a little sand paper and free time...  you can turn dead sticks into Wizard Staffs

These ones below are Cedar  They have awesome roots and are all over Georgia and Luisianna. Oaks are great for finding knarly branches, Maples are nice straight ones with pretty grain


(http://www.cynastaffs.com/images/Graphics/CS091d_small.jpg)

I just bought a simple walking stick from the Pirate Event... It cost me $15.00  It was a simple straightish sraff just sanded and varnished...  I can easily make those myself  I have a hundred blanks in the garage ready to go, but this one was made and sold by a fellow in a wheelchair...

A decent walking stick made out of a wooden branch starts at 15.00 and can sell in the 100's if you get a good knarly root on it and embellish it with Runes  carved into it or adding strings and stones etc

Here is one that someone carved a rough fist and wrist watch into and painted white

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Asking price: $600.00

Here is a simple unfinished straight stick with a small face carved on it  Asking 25.00

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/1i4AAOSwpDdVP92G/$_57.JPG)

Some simple knarly sticks sanded and varnished  Asking 40-60.00

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Here is one with some crystals glued into the crook of the branch  Asking 120.00

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ac/ab/4b/acab4bd4b28503f554adb440ca76888a.jpg)

I don't know why tour attempts have failed. I don't presume to know whether or not you did it right. But I do know things that work.

Since you have free time and live in a forest, and have access to nice branches either by limoing into the woods behind your cottage or getting Thor to drop off a bunch on you porch... it would only require a little effort with sand paper a knife and some trinkets sitting in a chair making staffs  From simple walking sticks to fancy Faerie and Wizard Staffs

The internet is FULL of samples for ideas and pricing.  Etsy and Ebay are good places to list them and the Postman will pick up orders

You asked me for something that can be done by someone who has NOTHING and limited mobility,,, this is ONE example.  The fellow at the Pirate Fest has no mobility below his waste  yet he can make them  and gets out to the event to sell them (Yes someone sets up the tent for him :P )


So try stopping your focus on the psycopaths for a while and focus on making staffs (or other woodsy trinkets)  We all know your position on TAP and the current rulers.  We all know that things will not change over night and in the meantime we need to eat and live.

I can come up with other ideas but since you live in the woods with no transportation you do have limits

If you lived in a city near a bus route you could do the thrift store thing... flip merchandise... and make enough to afford a big Tudor Mansion  :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 05, 2015, 12:33:34 pm
I should imagine that the people who 'own' the 'printing of the money' equate to the 'triallionaires'.

Do we need to look further than the world's oldest monetary establishments and their fortunes/heirs?

Ah yes  Like THIS self admitted Trillionaire? Yup  looks evil to me  and Mr Burns sure fits the role on that funny animation The Simpsons that the Sheep laugh at :P  But I have never met a Rothschild  and they don't effect me personally  and there is little I can do to change what they have been doing for hundreds of years... So I don't worry about them and go on about my business :P

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/735/935/f4b.jpg)

Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 05, 2015, 12:37:10 pm
What attitude would You suggest?  [smile]

A POSITIVE one :P

Turn off your computer and Step outside into that forest your in... that nice little cabin away from the world.

Do you see any psycopaths out there?

No? Well then life isn't all that bad :P
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 05, 2015, 01:05:18 pm
nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance

I am merely poking sticks at her :P to help her make money :D


(https://staffandstick.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/2.jpg)
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: ArMaP on May 05, 2015, 02:03:43 pm
LOL!  You do reach on a lot there, ArMaP.
Trying to get clear definitions is "reaching"?
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: SkiesSeven on May 05, 2015, 02:26:15 pm
That crystal staff is awesome.

If they could make it light up with L.E.D's or something that would be even better.
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: zorgon on May 05, 2015, 03:27:55 pm
That crystal staff is awesome.

If they could make it light up with L.E.D's or something that would be even better.

My daughter and I are working on that. Now that I have sotred out the home life (mostly) we will have time for projects again. I already signed up with my old buddy Sir William Baine   (current King of Albion) He, myself and my second Camillo di Lombardi were the three movers and shakers behind all the Renfaire activity in Las Vegas from the day they opened the Faire.

We built it  they came  and well they also messed it up along the way  so we had to keep rebuilding

As to the staffs... there is a large market for them  Any Reenactor will buy a nice walking stick (usually several) but their are the Wizards and Faeries and Elves  a few olf Witches LOL They ALL like fancy staffs but few people make them

There is also the Anime/Cosplay market though they tend to go for plastic.  But you can always sell a really good staff

I have some ideas on how to make THESE

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/stargate/images/b/b3/Administrator_Prior.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080905141407)

Would have to be different for copyright but still  :D
Title: Re: My Inescapable Conclusion: The Freemasons are Monsters
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 05, 2015, 07:36:35 pm
That crystal staff is awesome.

If they could make it light up with L.E.D's or something that would be even better.

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