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Title: "Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: zorgon on August 26, 2011, 03:20:19 pm
"Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonalds

Prelude:
The following story was sent to me by someone that was later found to be connected with the team. I suppose it was a deliberate leak, but neither they nor I knew it would spread so far and so quickly. Several members of the team actually popped into the thread and near the end we had a request to let it cool down in return for other info. It was a fun ride... and the flock of skeptics pouncing on the thread was a hoot, until they found out the story was real... and quietly slipped out the back door. One actually sent me a PM to apologize, but he couldn't do it in the thread. I have included some of the more pertinent questions as the story developed. To read the full thread visit ATS HERE (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg1). We are only going to post the relevant data.


Pirate McDonalds

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/2873888043_6cfbcfb0d7_b.jpg)
Photo Credit: Steve Jurvetson: We discovered a most unusual covert operation in a McDonald's today… What could it be? - Steve

View Comments on this photo HERE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/2873888043)

jurvetson says:

Bingo Rocketeer for spotting mission tapes and jerryfi_99 for guessing that imagery data would take this much space. The Pirate flag is purely motivational, methinks, for a skunkworks improvising what was thought to be impossible.

Forty years ago, unmanned lunar orbiters circled the moon taking extremely high-res photos of the surface to plan landing spots for Apollo 11 onward... In this McDonalds, the only copy of that data is about to be resurrected. Erik and I dropped in for a visit after the LUNAR rocket launch at NASA Ames.

And gosh, Alieness may be right too when they look at those images carefully for three-toe footprints...

They have never been seen by the public because at the time, they were classified because they would reveal the extreme precision of our spy satellites. Instead, all we have ever seen are the grainy photo of a photo images that were released to the public.

The spacecraft did not ship this film back to Earth. Instead, they developed the film on the Lunar Orbiter and then raster scanned the negatives with a 5 micron spot (200 lines/millimeter resolution) and beamed the data back to Earth using yet-to-be-patented-by-others lossless analog compression. Three ground stations on Earth (one was in Madrid) recorded the transmissions on these magnetic tapes.

Recovering the data has proven to be very difficult, requiring technological archeology. The only working version of the Ampex tape player ($300K when new) was discovered in a chicken coop and restored with the help of the original designer. There is only one person on Earth who still refurbishes these tape heads, and he is retiring this year. The skills to read this data archive are on the cusp of disappearing forever.

Some of the applications of this project, beyond accessing the best images of the moon ever taken, are to look for new landing sites for the new Google Lunar X-Prize landers, and to compare the new craters on the moon from 40 years ago, a measure of micrometeorite flux and risk to future lunar operations.

And yes, the conspiracy continues, with McDonalds' long and sordid history with the Apollo program...

McMoon

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/2878302406_218461cb10_b.jpg)
Photo Credit: Steve Jurvetson

View Comments on this photo HERE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/2878302406/)

Behind the counter of an abandoned McDonalds lie 48,000 lbs of 70mm tape… the only copy of extremely high-resolution images of the moon.

These tapes were recorded 40 years ago as part of the Apollo program to map the lunar surface to plan landing spots for Apollo 11 onward. They have never been seen by the public because at the time, they were classified as they reveal the extreme precision of our spy satellites. Instead, all we have ever seen are the grainy photo-of-a-photo images that were released to the public.

The spacecraft did not ship this film back to Earth. Instead, they developed the film on the Lunar Orbiter and then raster scanned the negatives with a 5 micron spot (200 lines/millimeter resolution) and beamed the data back to Earth using yet-to-be-patented-by-others lossless analog compression. Three ground stations on Earth (one was in Madrid) recorded the transmissions on these magnetic tapes.

Recovering the data has proven to be very difficult, requiring technological archeology. The only working version of the Ampex tape player ($300K when new) was discovered in a chicken coop and restored with the help of the original designer. There is only one person on Earth who still refurbishes these tape heads, and he is retiring this year. The skills to read this data archive are on the cusp of disappearing forever.

Some of the applications of this project, beyond accessing the best images of the moon ever taken, are to look for new landing sites for the new Google Lunar X-Prize robo-landers, and to compare the new craters on the moon today to 40 years ago, a measure of micrometeorite flux and risk to future lunar operations.

McMoon Tour at NASA

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Dennis_Wingo.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXwGnN6WiCw

NOTE: The original video given me on youtube is no longer available though I do have a copy on file> However since then there are a few more available with the machines in operation. I will add the new videos later, because posting them now would be like giving the ending of a book  :P. The only real difference is that in the first video, the tape machine (they only had one) was still un-operational.





Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:37:47 pm
If you watch the video you will see one image appear on the screen near the end...
It is very significant to us that he shows LO-1-102

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/LO_1_120/LO_1_120_700.png)

This is on Farside and the one we have studied for some time and featured

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/LO_1_120/Structure_Livo_001c.png)

48,000 POUNDS of TAPE and a machine to play them on...

Also from the video you will notice that this machine is far higher tech that we should have had... the resolution is to great for a modern TV set and its liquid cooled with Liquid Nitrogen

The DOWN SIDE of this is he is already talking to NASA :( looking for funding to finish the work

 ::)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:38:21 pm
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Originally posted by ziggystar60
I am also curious, where exactly is this abandoned McDonalds located? And do you have any idea how the missing tapes ended up there?

Jack has been tracking it down... he thinks he knows where it is...

The fellow that sent me the scoop (the photographer) has not yet replied back...  I will keep you posted... That is a LOT of footage...  it is currently my understanding that he does not intend to just hand them over to NASA... but it sucks that they are already there   >:(
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:39:13 pm
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Originally posted by BlasteR
Wouldn't these guys have to explain to NASA how they got the tapes?

Okay a lot of questions here...

ONE

These ARE NOT THE MISSING APOLLO 11 TAPES, Though they are about the same quantity and size...

THESE are LUNAR ORBITER images... apparently from a SPANISH satellite station, not Gold Stone or Honeysuckle Creek in Australia

The Apollo 11 tapes missing are reported here...

The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013002065.html)
NASA Is Stumped in Search For Videos of 1969 Moonwalk

Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 31, 2007

They are even BIGGER tapes...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Apollo/Tapes_001.png)

John has been saying for YEARS that the Apollo signals went to Australia FIRST... then Goldstone... then Houston where we got to see it...

This article was the first mainstream media confirmation of what he has been saying was true...

In 2002, one of the men who had worked at Australia's Honeysuckle Creek ground station in 1969 -- and who had seen the high-quality Apollo 11 video originals back then -- found a 14-inch reel of tape in his garage that seemed to be from that period. He brought it to a Honeysuckle Creek reunion and passed it around.

The tale of the missing Apollo 11 tapes is made all the more awkward because televised images of subsequent Apollo missions were greatly improved. It was only for Apollo 11 that an unusually configured video feed was used. It was transmitted from the moon to ground sites in Australia and the Mojave Desert in California, where technicians reformatted the video for broadcast and transmitted long-distance over analog lines to Houston. A lot of video quality was lost during that process, turning clear, bright images into gray blobs and oddly moving shapes -- what Lebar now calls a "bastardized" version of the actual footage.

We NEVER saw live real footage... the news crews filmed to scene from NASA's view screen... and THAT was showing the "bastardized" version of the actual footage

Since we first mentioned this Honeysuckle Creek Station has put up a website detailing all this

Honeysuckle Creek (http://www.honeysucklecreek.net)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Apollo/hskcrest_sm.jpg)

Also the BBC under Sir Patrick Moore... also lost all THEIR copies of the Apollo 11 broadcast...

BBC Apollo 11 Missing Tapes
Sir Patrick Moore


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moore/Sir_Patrick_Moore.jpg)

During the Apollo programme, he was one of the presenters of BBC television's coverage of the moon landing missions. The tapes of these broadcasts no longer exist: conflicting stories have circulated as to what precisely happened to them, or whether the broadcasts were recorded at all.

Sir_Patrick_Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Patrick_Moore)

Now THESE tapes are the original scans received directly from transmissions from the Lunar Orbiters and were tracked in SPAIN

It is really fascinating that once again while looking for more information on this I once again found this image..

(http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/147801main_why_we_19_a.jpg)

This historic image is the first view of Earth taken by a spacecraft from the vicinity of the Moon. The photo was transmitted to Earth by the United States Lunar Orbiter I and received at the NASA tracking station at Robledo De Chavela near Madrid, Spain. This crescent Earth was photographed August 23, 1966 at 16:35 GMT when the spacecraft was on its 16th orbit and just about to pass behind the Moon. NASA image # 67-H-218

So these tapes then would be those that were from this Robledo De Chavela tracking station near Madrid, Spain.

Why We Explore (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/exploration/whyweexplore/Why_We_19.html)

Now in the video he says that he has already contacted NASA and they promised the 30,000.00 to replace the liquid nitrogen cooled bearings and he says they plan to fund the whole project...

So it would seem that the tapes are NOT currently NASA property...
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:39:44 pm
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Originally posted by ANoNyMiKE
Well it'll come crashing down soon enough; all someone has to do is demand they play one, games over... Though I'm sure they will come up with many fancy reasons why they cannot just play one of the films

You DID see the video yes? The one that shows the one and only machine being repaired that CAN play them?

Hmmm
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:40:16 pm
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Originally posted by Electro38
Also HD photos back in the 1960's were actually photographs taken with kodachrome film. Although we didn't call those photos "HD" back then, they were just "photographs".

For someone making so MUCH NOISE on critical thinking I am totally amazed at your COMPLETE IGNORANCE on how the Lunar Orbiter images were acquired.

The 70 MM film was processed on board the Orbiter and the original negatives were destroyed when all FIVE Lunar Orbiters were DELIBERATELY crashed into the moon...

The image data was scanned by video on board the spacecraft and then transmitted to Earth where it was recorded on video tapes like the ones you see in the canisters and required a video tape machine to play them back... like the one in the store in the video...

I find it totally amazing the sheer stupidity presented by some people in their rampant effort to debunk... while shouting DENY IGNORANCE at the top of their lungs...

Yet never once applying ANY thought to what they are talking about

Makes me wonder who paid you to come in here and scream at us?

 ::)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:40:57 pm
Quote
Originally posted by observe50
Zorgon I like your new Avatar but then again I liked your old one. 

My old one will return when I decide its worth my time to hang out here again :P
I will pass on regards to John ;)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:41:24 pm
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Originally posted by serpentine
-Film stock must be kept in the fridge.

Come on people lets show some BRAINS here huh? Not FILM.... VIDEO TAPES

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/shakehead.gif)

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Originally posted by ziggystar60 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg3#pid5032148)
I freely admit that I have been fooled many a time in my life, and I agree this story is strange and a little confusing. But I for one don't consider Zorgon a hoaxer or liar. So why don't we all just calm down and wait for him to come back with more info?

I also checked out this Steve Jurvetson, who took the image in Zorgon's OP, and Mr. Jurvetson doesn't exactly seem like your average idiot, low life hoaxer. This is his impressive bio:

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Steve Jurvetson is a Managing Director of Draper Fisher Jurvetson, a leading venture capital firm with affiliate offices around the world. He was the founding VC investor in Hotmail (MSFT), Interwoven (IWOV), and Kana (KANA). He also led the firm's investments in Tradex and Cyras, acquired for $8 billion. Current Board positions include Synthetic Genomics, IMMI, NeoPhotonics, and ZARS. Previously, Steve was an R&D Engineer at Hewlett-Packard, where seven of his communications chip designs were fabricated. His prior technical experience also includes programming, materials science research (TEM atomic imaging of GaAs), and computer design at HP's PC Division, the Center for Materials Research, and Mostek. He has also worked in product marketing at Apple and NeXT Software. As a Consultant with Bain & Company, Steve developed executive marketing, sales, engineering and business strategies for a wide range of companies in the software, networking and semiconductor industries. At Stanford University, he finished his BSEE in 2.5 years and graduated #1 in his class, as the Henry Ford Scholar. Steve also holds an MS in Electrical Engineering from Stanford. He received his MBA from the Stanford Business School, where he was an Arjay Miller Scholar. He also serves on the STVP Advisory Boards and is Co-Chair of the NanoBusiness Alliance. He was honored as "The Valley's Sharpest VC" on the cover of Business 2.0 and chosen by the SF Chronicle and SF Examiner as one of "the ten people expected to have the greatest impact on the Bay Area in the early part of the 21st Century." He was profiled in the New York Times Magazine and featured on the covers of Worth, Red Herring, and Fortune magazines. Steve was chosen by Forbes as one of "Tech's Best Venture Investors", by the VC Journal as one of the "Ten Most Influential VCs", and by Fortune as part of their "Brain Trust of Top Ten Minds." He was also honored with the "Advocate of the Year Award" by Small Times and chosen as one of "Nanotech's Power Elite" by the Forbes/Wolfe Nanotech Report. In 2005, Steve was honored as a Young Global Leader by the World Economic Forum and a Distinguished Alumnus by St. Mark's.

(http://www.dfj.com/cgi-networkteam/uploads/1/SteveJurvetson.jpg)

http://www.dfj.com/team/SteveJurvetson.shtml

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:41:54 pm
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Originally posted by serpentine
Rarely if ever are bif chains abandoned,

Now for crying out loud... are all you debunkers SO DESPERATE that you can't even use GOOGLE?

Abandoned McDonalds Airway Center, Franklin, VA

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/169/427274865_aca87e823f.jpg)

Abandoned McDonalds Alconbury

(http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/gallery/450/AA0/AA023769.jpg)

http://abandonedmcdonalds.ytmnd.com/

Abandonned McDonald's Newfoundland (http://www.geocities.com/eureka/plaza/9186/nues/mcdonalds/index.html)

Now Jack and Housegroove already have tracked down TWO abandoned McDonald's that are in the 'right neighbourhood" but if you think I will tell where they are right now... You gotta be kidding :D
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:42:33 pm
Quote
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg3#pid5032336)
Maybe this is a sign of the times. Because the US is now utterly bankrupt, they can no longer afford to hide stuff in mega underground alien bases and warehouses. McDonalds will have to do!

So maybe there is hope for the future after all. Maybe next someone will find all the Zero-Point Energy prototypes and back-engineered alien tech in an abandoned Starbucks somewhere?

But in all seriousness, as another poster said - it almost looks as if "someone" purposely left all that stuff there, right out in the open, so that it could be found.... :o ;)

Good catch  8)

That thought had crossed our minds... especially considering the resume of the photographer... and the fact they have one of those video machines in that condition...

I would speculate that there are not many around in that good condition that they only need minor repair... )it was obviously running... just did not have a compatible monitor

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:43:09 pm
Quote
Originally posted by franspeakfree
This is what makes ATS a cut above the rest, people like you digging trying to find the truth. OP Photo should not have been cut therefore, this dramatically changes the complete authenticity of this.
 

Umm really?

The "Cropping" was done by ATS to fit the image... I posted the whole thing as well as the ORIGINAL LINK to the ORIGINAL COMPLETE image at flicker...

The title of the Article BY THE PHOTOGRAPHER at Flicker is PIRATE McDONALD

His opening statement is...

We discovered a most unusual covert operation in a McDonalds today… What could it be?

That was his lead in to his account at Flicker to which I posted the link to view all the INTELLIGENT replies (unlike what I see here)

Do you guys actually READ or just shoot stuff down because it doesn't agree with you?

It is also posted HERE (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Lunar_Orbiter_Tapes_Found.html)

But since that is on my website... which I have been asked not to link to anymore... perhaps my other Avatar won't be returning after all


Now it gets interesting :D
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:43:43 pm
Originally posted by Dr X

Greetings,

Zorgon's post is exactly true. Only the conspiracy theorists are false. Here is a brief overview of the Lunar Orbiter Data Recovery Project:

This project started in the late 1980's when the National Space Science Data Center (NSSDC) discovered a cache of the only known remaining set of Lunar Orbiter tapes in existence stored in a "salt mine." The story there is that there are abandon salt mines that store government records, as the temperature and humidity are stable. There was some documentation attached indicating what they were and that JPL should be notified as to what their ultimate fate should be. JPL took possession of them in about 1988 or so, as there was some interest in recovering the data so that the images could be digitized and made available to the general public as the pictures were then a bulky 2000, 28" x 30" prints. The problem at that point was that no one knew what technology created the tapes so the format and method was unknown. At the time a private consulting firm became aware of the project and decided to research the issue with the purpose of proposing a data recovery project. After amassing all the Lunar Orbiter literature available, it was determined that the Ampex FR900 tape recorder (the first real video tape recorder), was used to create the tapes. More importantly it was revealed that the data was in an analog format with the video in a format called “Vestigial Sideband Filtered", slow scan TV. This knowledge set about the search for any source of FR900 tape drives. The search covered NASA sites, Vandenberg’s Pacific Missile Range at Kwajalein, the CIA and Egland AFB's radar test site in Florida. Ultimately a total of four tape drives were obtained and as far as is known, are the only remaining drives of their type in the world.

The next problem was to determine if the drives would read a tape without destroying it. After numerous calibrations and experiments on spare tape, it was determined that it would be safe to try one of the Lunar Orbiter tapes. This was done and the specified video spectrum was obtained which proved the capabilities of the drive and that the data on the tape was still there. However, in order to obtain the video from the data, a circuit called the VSB decompressor (or "restorer"), needed to be designed and constructed. This was done and a recognizable sync pulse with video data was retrieved.

This was all accomplished in about 1992. Since then several proposals to NASA and various private sources failed to produce the money required to recover this data. So the tape drives were stored in a "chicken coop" (actually it was a garage / barn combination), for the next 15 or so years. Last year a call was made form the person in the video (who I will only identify as "D" until I can obtain his permission to release his name - though I don't think this mission is actually a secret), called to ask about the tapes and the tape drives as he had some contacts that might be able to help. After visiting the "chicken coop" and ascertaining that the tapes were still at JPL's storage facility, he then made arrangements to transport both to a site in Northern California from the Los Angeles area, which he did. He then assembled a crew of experts in various fields and located a site to carry out his low budget "proof of concept" which turned out to be a McDonalds, which was located on a military base, that was closed due to poor attendance after a government cutback. As it turned out, each of the little tables, normally used for enjoying your "Happy Meal", were excellent workbenches for the various projects associated with bringing the drives back to working condition.

This then is pretty much where it is today. Once five full images are recovered, then the "Proof of Concept" will have been achieved and further funding may follow.

Someone mentioned that Google might be interested. Well they are, and they have visited the site.

Some information that might be of interest:

The products of the original LO project were:
Tape: 2" wide tape that contained all the mission data. There are about 2,000 of them

GRE file: Ground reconstruction 35mm film that were the reconstructed picture "framelett" data
About 30 of these make up one of the 28" x 30" prints.

Prints: The prints are about 28" x 30" in dimensions

There are 4 kinds of data on the FR900 Lunar Orbiter tapes:
Video: From sync to sync represents one scan line. There are 4 scan lines per meter on the surface at best resolution.
There are about 16,600 scan lines per framelett and there are about 30 framelett's per print.

Telemetry: Another channel in the video data is for telemetry, which reports on the status of the satellite.

Carrier: In order to reconstruct the original video data the carrier must be available.
But because it was suppressed by the VSB processing, it was divided by 8 and stuck in the lower sideband.

Audio: There is an audio channel that the various sites recorded the tape ID on as can be heard in the video.

Film in refrigerator:
Some have said that storing film in a refrigerator would extend its life. This is true only for unexposed film.
For exposed film, it is best to have a stable temperature and humidity, cold has no effect.

Tape storage in canisters in picture:
Note that the canisters in one of the pictures with the yellow tape. These are the 2" wide original LO tapes and
are in excellent condition. What is not in the picture are the GRE film, which were also with the tapes.

Pirate Flag:
The pirate flag was placed on the window was for fun as it was seen by some that this mission was going on
oh, shall we say, by any means possible. More for humor I am sure.

If you want more info let me know.

~ Dr. X ~

Source: ATS Thread Post (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg4#pid5032940)


Originally posted by zorgon

Well just got to this post now...

Thank you very much for that information Dr. X.

I would also hazard a guess that the photographer, considering his resume and the projects he has been involved in, has more to tell...

Unfortunately I have not yet heard back from him directly since the initial contact so I will have to try other means... It is interesting that the two Mcdonald's that 'might' be the right ones are close to military bases, but that could be just coincidence and as yet we don't know if they are the right ones...

I will be free around Oct 8th and will be in the area so I hope to attempt a field trip
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:44:14 pm
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Originally posted by housegroove23 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg4#pid5032994)

OMG! WTF!

ARRRR me matey, where are me cheese burger & fries.

Ok, if this is really legit, I could see this being a McDonald's inside a military base, most likely one of the ones that got shut down like 10 years ago.

If this is legit, it would be one of the biggest and most odd disclosures that we have ever seen.....

We can always count on Zorgon for something new and exciting.

Thanks Buddy!

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Originally posted byTheOneEyedProphet
Hey Dr. X I'm sure you will have noticed by now, that all the info you posted has not been read.

Now how do you know all of this? are you working in the project with them?
I would like to know where will this information be available?
Or when will it be made public to the mainstream.

And to all of you crying hoax, well, look at Dr.X posts and wait for his reply.

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Originally posted by housegroove23 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg5#pid5033128)

Thank You Dr. X and welcome,

I just read your post, so my assumption is correct, they are at a McDonalds in a abandon military base. It just made logical since, and it just so happens to be in Northern CA, which is where I am. I am to assume then that the military base would either be "McLellan AFB" or "Mather AFB" and I am literally right down the street from either of them.

Would all of you like for me to visit and go take pictures, LOL. No seriously I could do that, but it would have to be tomorrow.

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Originally posted by monkeybus
So when you get there you can say 'im with Dr.x'[/size]
 

Zorgon:
Now THAT was funny... but to the point...
I see Housegroove 'spilled the beans" before I got this far
 ::)

Quote
Originally posted by Atlantican
Is it possible that these were put out there in a controlled leak?

Zorgon:
Yes quite possible :D

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Originally posted by Dr. X

Actually it is not at an abandon military base. More like an abandon McDonald's on a toned down military base. I would post more pictures but I am new to this system and don't know how that is done. Clues please.

Thanks,

~ Dr. X ~

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Originally posted by Mr Penny
Take it easy.....Dr. X's contribution is interesting at least, but there's nothing that definitely places him as "involved", or "clearing" anything up. The poster has simply added some data to the mystery.

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Originally posted by Dr. X

Well, as it turns out, I am involved. What would you like clarified?

~ Dr. X ~
PS: It appears that here is another Dr. X on this system. However, I sign my posts as "~ Dr. X ~" so you can tell the difference.
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:44:50 pm
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Originally posted bynfotech (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg5#pid5033525)

Thanks Dr X for the clarification and thanks to Zorgon for the post. I always like to see the pseudo skeptics dive back under their rocks.

Skepticism is good but when people just start making unsupported and fantasy level statements as fact, ie - "there are no abandoned McDonald's", "The pirate flag indicates this is a hoax", the "tapes were found in the abandoned McDonald's", etc, etc --it becomes clear that some are threatened by the possibility, have a serious debunking habit or just want to attack Zorgon in some cases.

"Deny Ignorance"

Well, that's funny as ignorance is what I would describe a majority of the "this is a hoax" posts I've just read. Some people seem extremely ready to jump to conclusions without sufficient evidence, I sure hope none of you actively show up for jury duty.

Please keep us updated on the project and if you have more of the historical background, contact info for those who would like to encourage Google to fund the project, etc please post it.

Has a thread been started on the Google X-Prize forum yet?
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:45:11 pm
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Originally posted by warpboost

I don't think there's anything really strange about these guys being resourceful, and using an abandoned McDonalds for their makeshift workspace until they get some real funding which they mention in the video. From what little research I did I understand the McDonalds is located at Nasa Ames Moffett field which has basically been closed.

I found this on the wiki entry for Moffett field:

Moffett Field's facilities available to residents include a pool, post office, golf course, tennis courts, gas station, and several small shops and restaurants, including an on-site McDonald's which closed April 30, 2008.

Moffett_Federal_Airfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffett_Federal_Airfield)

I bet you could use google maps local live to get a good look at the place is you're really curious

Zorgon:
Now your talking... Moffet Field...  An old NASA facility... :D

Thanks!


Moffett Federal Airfield
NASA AMES Research Center


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/McMoon_Moffat_01.png)

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Moffett Federal Airfield (IATA: NUQ, ICAO: KNUQ), also known as Moffett Field, is a joint civil-military airport located 3 miles (5 km) north of Mountain View, in Santa Clara County, California, USA. The airport is near the south end of San Francisco Bay, north of San Jose. Formerly a United States Navy facility, the former naval air station is now owned and operated by the NASA Ames Research Center. Tenant military activities include the 129th Rescue Wing of the California Air National Guard, operating the HC-130 Hercules, MC-130 Combat Shadow and HH-60 Pave Hawk aircraft, as well as the adjacent Onizuka Air Force Station and Headquarters for the 7th Psychological Operations Group of the U.S. Army Reserve. NASA also operates several aircraft from Moffett, including the ER-2, a civilian research version of the U-2.

By far the most famous and visible sites are hangars #1, #2, and #3, which dwarf the surrounding buildings. Hangar One is one of the most remarkable hangars in the world[citation needed]. Hangars #2 and #3 are significant more for their size than their unique styling or design. Hangar One is a Naval Historical Monument and the entire airfield is a United States Registered Historic District.

In May, 2008 The National Trust for Historic Preservation listed Hangar One on their list of America's Most Endangered Places.

The NASA Ames site is home to several wind tunnels, including the Unitary Plan Wind Tunnel (a National Historic Landmark), and the National Full-Scale Aerodynamic Complex (NFAC).

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/NUQ_-_FAA_airport_diagram.gif)
United States Federal Aviation Administration
FAA airport diagram for NUQ (Moffett Federal Airfield) in California, United States.

Pirate McDonald's at Moffat Field

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/McMoon_Moffat_02.png)
Abandoned McDonalds at Moffet Field
+37° 24' 33.58", -122° 3' 17.26"

The location was also confirmed by Dr. X, who came to post at AboveTopSecret.com in response to this release and shared information with us.

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:45:36 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg6#pid5033998)

The film was processed on board the Lunar Orbiters and what you see here are processing defects that occurred there. The system then transmitted the images, warts and all, to the receiving sites. Thus the blotches will be on the recovered data from the tapes.

As for how long magnetization lasts on tapes:
It depends on the strength of the magnetization and the material on which it was impressed. The longest lasting are digital tapes which were recorded to saturation. The LO tapes are analog however, but good analog tapes exist from back in the fifties and wire recordings before that, so this is not a surprise.

~ Dr. X ~

Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg7#pid5034366/)
reply to post by MrPenny

The only reason that I wish to be anonymous at the moment is that though I am involved in the project, I am not the leader of it. So I wish to leave the details as to how much to reveal up to him. I always prefer to ask first, then act, on issues like this. I can say that the project is known in the Lunar community and that it is no secret to them as many have attended some demonstrations of the equipment as has some Google representatives. And in one instance an astronaut who was on a publicity tour was in attendance, I believe.

By the way, I understood that real names were not often used on BLOG sites which is why my real name is not used here. The name comes from a part in a movie that I played. Guess who it was?

~ Dr. X ~
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:46:23 pm

Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg7#pid5034434)

Zorgon,
Some more info for you:
From here:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Lunar_Orbiter_Tapes_Found.html

it is said that:
"They have never been seen by the public because at the time, they were classified because they would reveal the extreme precision of our spy satellites. Instead, all we have ever seen are the grainy photo of a photo images that were released to the public."

This is a little misleading. The pictures, in 28" x 30" format, have been available to people at places like the Lunar Science Institute as well as via NSDC since day one. They were just too bulky and expensive for the average person. Later they were available at the Lunar Library at Caltech in the seventies. The better quality GRE film was available, but no one wanted to deal with the problems of handling it. The real "secret" was the resolution of the cameras. They were modeled from existing spy satellites and so NASA knew that the system would work because they were "space proven" already. They were just very quiet about the actual resolution of the system which is "1 meter on the surface covered by three scan lines", and is in the LO literature which is available on line.

~ Dr. X ~

Well that may be, but that is the precise quote from Steve Jurvetson at his Youtube account where he posted the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXwGnN6WiCw

So they are quoted verbatim... and not my words...

As to the availability of the Lunar Orbiter images... we have been saying that since day one on here starting with John Lear's moon thread... but no one listens...

I am however positive that YOU will recognize these...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Codename_NOEL/III-123H3_b.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Codename_NOEL/IV-6H2_a.JPG)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Codename_NOEL/IV-136H1_e.JPG)

Problem around here is they are too busy 'debunking' to actually listen or follow links... something I am sure you have observed in this thread :P
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:46:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg8#pid5034574)
reply to post by Freenrgy2

Well, it appears that the big "D" is not too happy with the OP for posting, so I am told.

So when I can tell more I will. But until then I will just clarify things that are just plane incorrect. Assuming that's OK.

~ Dr. X ~ 


Now I don't know who the big "D" is yet as I am in between jobs and have not had time beyond responding to the thread posts... but this is where I got the 'tip' from

Quote
Regarding: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Nasa_Photos.html

You may be interested to see the source tapes... I saw them Saturday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/2878302406/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/2873888043/

Comments or additional flavor are welcome there...  Folks seem interested...

Cheers,
Steve

Perhaps one might get the feeling of being used as a 'leak'?

Nah thought never crossed my mind...

Besides this is the greatest news I have seen in a long time of searching. Of course the silence on the email front when I requested more info... and your appearance here.... hmmmm

Nah thought never crossed my mind...

 8)

Quote
Originally posted by nickwoodb (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg9#pid5035048)
The link I believe is Here, where "wingod2001" says;

I demand this this video of me be removed from youtube. This person did not have permission to do this and I will be taking this up with the management here at Youtube.

His YouTube profile Here has 5 favorites, mostly Moon Rush 1-4 which shows a guy named "Dennis Wingo" which I think very closely resembles the man in the YouTube video. Is THIS the big "D"? And might I add, what would be the big secret if it is?
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:47:32 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS

That looks like Dennis Wingo.


Quote
Originally posted by Zarniwoop (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg8#pid5034928)

It doesn't mention McDonalds, but I found a powerpoint presentation from April 19, 2007 by Dr. Charles Lundquist from the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He was one of the original team members who launched Explorer 1, America's first satellite in space, on Jan. 31, 1958.

He's saying that there are high resolution LO data at Ames ( with the resolution of the upcoming LRO) that have never been converted to images...

Presentation (http://www.lunarbase.rutgers.edu/presentations/Lundquist.ppt)
- [PPT][Archived]

Based on the date of the powerpoint, the project should have started in the Summer of 2007.
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:47:58 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X
Zorgon,
I was not questioning the post, just clarifying the meaning of it, or what it might imply.

The pictures that you link to are interesting in that they appear to be one of the 28" x 30" prints, but I can't tell without a scale for reference. Clearly they came from the LRC however. I presume they are yours and that you are really "into" Lunar stuff. Sorry, but I have not had time to read all posts.

When I get my picture account up, as per the instructions of others (thanks for that), I will link to pictures of labels on the tapes and tape canisters.

~ Dr. X ~
PS - We like dragons here.

No problem I got that :D... I sent you a few U2U's but forgot you had to have 20 posts before you can reply DOH... Well I have time now so I will look back for any thing I missed...

Quote
Originally posted by Dr. XThe real "secret" was the resolution of the cameras.  They were modeled from existing spy satellites and so NASA knew that the system would work because they were "space proven" already.  They were just very quiet about the actual resolution of the system which is "1 meter on the surface covered by three scan lines", and is in the LO literature which is available on line.

Yes I believe 'an object the size of a card table" could be recognized :D

On a typical Lunar Orbiter mission, the photographic system provided high-resolution pictures of 4,000 square miles of the Moon's surface with enough clarity to show objects the size of a card table. At the same time, medium-resolution photographs covering 20,000 square miles could be made with overlap for stereo viewing and analysis of surface topography.

The 1600 pictures captured in total by the five Lunar Orbiters using the ITT photographic system enabled photogrammetrists at NASA and the U.S. Government's Defense Mapping Agency to create accurate maps of the Moon's surface.

http://www.ssd.itt.com/heritage/orbiter.shtml

Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X
The pictures that you link to are interesting in that they appear to be one of the 28" x 30" prints, but I can't tell without a scale for reference.  Clearly they came from the LRC however.  I presume they are yours and that you are really "into" Lunar stuff.  Sorry, but I have not had time to read all posts.

No that particular set is not mine... they were found at a yard sale in Ohio and are currently owned by a gentleman in Florida...  we did pay to have photos taken of them and scanned in 1600 DPI :D

John does have several 'original' negatives like the Copernicus LO-111-162H... but that was a bitch to get scanned :D

Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X
When I get my picture account up, as per the instructions of others (thanks for that), I will link to pictures of labels on the tapes and tape canisters
.

Looking forward to it... This has certainly been an interesting venture so far...

I do have one question that was nagging at me though... Since we know (and Phage pointed out) the LO ships were not sound equipped so what was the audio that he played in the youtube video?

Quote
PS - We like dragons here.
 

Interesting comment... I myself shall be gracing Caid next weekend ;)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:48:32 pm
Quote
Originally posted by amigo (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg9#pid5035246)

In one of the links mentioned earlier from Erik Charlton's photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/2886658158/) there's an amusing comment below, not sure if anyone caught it:

    offtothemoon says:

    This entire post is 100% wrong and needs to be taken down. Furthermore, this image of me was taken without my permission and is in violation of the law.

Let's see how long these images stay on flickr before they are taken down.

Quote
Originally posted by housegroove23
The post he is referring to is:

The team is using a workstation to integrate all of the images into a unified lunar map. Here he is showing an example of the resolution that was shown publically. All we have ever seen are these grainy photo-of-a-photo images. The high resolution images have never been seen publically, because when they were developed in the 1960s, they were classified (revealing the extreme precision of our spy satellites).

His response is hell of funny!!!

In case you slow pokes did not catch it this page is labeled "Moffett Field" www.flickr.com... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/sets/72157606931400558/)

This is where the operation is at!

en.wikipedia.org... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffett_Field)


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Originally posted by IAttackPeople[/i]

Then this is the place. Google Earth (http://home.comcast.net/~ggargett/GoogleEarth_Placemark.kmz)

Quote
Originally posted by amigo
Furthermore, this image of me was taken without my permission and is in violation of the law.

 

That's strange because on the Flicker page with the full size image it says they are available under a Creative Commons license...  ergo as long as credit and appropriate link is provided there is no issue...

Interesting update... Seems you were right  :P

seems Steve has pulled the originals and placed them in private...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Private_01.png)

However from his profile there is this...

All of my photos are free to use forever with a simple photo credit:
photo by Jurvetson (flickr)

If it’s online somewhere, please have the credit line link to the original page.

And if you can, please send me a copy or pointer as I am curious where they end up (for example: the Charlie Rose show, Science and Maxim magazine, and some board games... even a book for the blind. go figure.)

http://www.flickr.com/people/jurvetson/

The conspiracy thickens.....
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:48:54 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. X
Might be a while as I am moving out of stare in 3 days
.

Oh I get it... tease and run huh? :P

Quote
That was the operator at the recording site identifying the tape.

That makes sense... I must say that was VERY clear audio... indicates that the tapes are still good :D

Quote
My wife is a collector of Dragons.  Where is the Caid to be held?

Ah well I tried... :lol:  Bakesfield Ca... Great Western War... Kingdom of Caid week long event... actually there will probably be many dragons for sale at the Merchants  ;)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:49:19 pm
Originally posted by ziggystar60 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg10#pid5037143)

First of all I apologize for the rather long post I am going to make, but I hope my fellow ATS members will have patience with me. I think I have discovered something interesting... Here it goes:

"wingod2001" made the following comment on YouTube regarding the video that Jurvetson uploaded there:

    I demand this this video of me be removed from youtube. This person did not have permission to do this and I will be taking this up with the management here at Youtube.

www.youtube.com... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXwGnN6WiCw)

Via "wingod2001"s user profile and the "Moon Rush" videos he has listed as his favorites, you can see that he is a man called Dennis Wingo. It is easy to recognize him from Jurvetson's video:

www.youtube.com... (http://www.youtube.com/user/wingod2001)
Editors Note: This channel now has updated videos on the project

I had never heard of Mr. Wingo before, but this is what I found out about him:

In 2004 he wrote a book called "Moonrush" which posits a future by exploiting the value of space for resources and energy. He has a company (www.assurecom.com) which focuses on mobile power & communications systems for emergency power & Internet access.
He also has a small company called www.skycorpinc.com, which doesn't seem to very active. Last press release was in 2001:

www.assurecom.com... (http://www.assurecom.com/about.html)
www.skycorpinc.com... (http://www.skycorpinc.com/press.htm)


Mr. Wingo also writes about space and technology for "newsvine.com". At this site he refers to an article called "Satelite turns 50 years old... In orbit!". The interesting thing here is that the article is written by a man called James Oberg. Mr. Wingo states:

    A very good article by my friend James Oberg on the 50th anniversary of the launch of the oldest piece of space hardware still in orbit.

wingod.newsvine.com... (http://wingod.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/17/1372562-satellite-turns-50-years-old-in-orbit)


James Oberg (often called Jim Oberg) is a well known debunker:

    As a journalist, he writes for several regular publications, mostly online; he was previously space correspondent for UPI, ABC and currently MSNBC, often in an on-air role. He is a Fellow of the skeptical organization CSICOP and a consultant to its magazine Skeptical Inquirer.

    In 1991, PBS transformed his book Red Star In Orbit into a documentary series. HBO has optioned Red Star in Orbit for some future made-for-TV miniseries.

    He was commissioned by NASA to write a rebuttal of Apollo moon landing hoax accusations. NASA later dropped the project; however, Oberg has said that he still intends to pursue it.

en.wikipedia.org... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Oberg)

And you know what? James/Jim Oberg is also an ATS member! In the forum dedicated to internos you can meet him in a thread called "Images for Mr. Oberg to analyze", started by bigfatfurrytexan:

www.abovetopsecret.com... (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread381956/pg1)

Needless to say, Mr. Oberg hasn't been very helpful or interested in a serious discussion. So to me, it seems like very bad news indeed that Dennis Wingo is a friend of this man. I don't think we will be seeing the Lunar Orbiter hi res images anytime soon...  :(
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:51:17 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Phage
An inaccurate and overly dramatic statement.

All of the images which were successfully downloaded were printed. Scanned images of most of them are available on the web.


Quote
Originally posted by lunica
I am very interested in some links to these images, as you state most of them are available on the web.
Thanks in advance
;D


Then please be so kind and point that out to the person who made the statement
Which would be Eric Charlton, obviously a project member
http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/2885825885

And these LO Images you say are easy to find...

That wasn't true not so very long ago, since LPI, USGS and Arizona U only started the projects in Oct 2006. Before that they were almost impossible for the general public to find...

Its interesting how skeptics neglect to mention that :P I am sure even ArMaP will agree on that one ;)

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:52:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Electro38
But they could be doing anything in there. I just find it very hard to believe they're working on lost classified NASA computer DATA.

Here is the McDonald's from Google Earth... first pointed to by Iattackpeople

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/McMoon_Moffat_02.png)

It is here on Moffat Airfield which is a NASA AMES research site ..

Moffett Federal Airfield (IATA: NUQ, ICAO: KNUQ), also known as Moffett Field, is a joint civil-military airport located 3 miles (5 km) north of Mountain View, in Santa Clara County, California, USA. The airport is near the south end of San Francisco Bay, north of San Jose. Formerly a United States Navy facility, the former naval air station is now owned and operated by the NASA Ames Research Center. Tenant military activities include the 129th Rescue Wing of the California Air National Guard, operating the HC-130 Hercules, MC-130 Combat Shadow and HH-60 Pave Hawk aircraft, as well as the adjacent Onizuka Air Force Station and Headquarters for the 7th Psychological Operations Group of the U.S. Army Reserve. NASA also operates several aircraft from Moffett, including the ER-2, a civilian research version of the U-2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffett_Federal_Airfield

So its not just ANY McDonald's.  It's a convenient empty building were you can make lunch :P

The group also launches rockets from this location

There is an old hanger there...

Moffett Field was originally commissioned in 1933 as a naval air station, and Hangar One housed the 785-foot-long USS Macon, a rigid frame airship.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Pirate/272261main_ACD99-0136-23_a.jpg)

NASA is asking public help to save the hanger from demolition

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/home/index.html

Here is one of the groups rocket launches. You can see the hanger in the photo

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2876135356_214747d565.jpg?v=0)

At least Eric Charlton's images are still up :D

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2886651466_079e9f0544.jpg?v=0)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/erikcharlton/2886651466/in/photostream/

Good thing I copied all those missing flicker pages to the 'archives'

 ::)

Quote
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by AntisepticSkeptic

well...the Flickr site has been taken down. I bet the Youtube one is gone by now, too.
yeah, someone wasn't very happy with this.
now...you were saying?


Well there goes that... but as I said I archived everything as I found it.
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:53:12 pm
Quote
Originally posted by nrky

All one would need to do would be: find out the address of that McD's, go there, or use google street view to investigate.

Sorry Mate no street view available for Moffat Field but here is the rooftop co-ordinates for google maps and GE

+37° 24' 33.58", -122° 3' 17.26"

Quote
Originally posted by zelong

Great find Zorgon
@2:08 cameraman states this is at McDonalds NASA m ? it's hard to hear sounds like NASA M

So it's all at the
NASA Ames McDonalds.Dennis Wingo NASA Research Park, Building 596 Moffett Field, CA 94035

Quote
Originally posted by greeneyedleo (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/greeneyedleo)

I don't think this has been posted yet:

Facilities

    Despite its closure as an active military base, Moffett Field still has many active facilities and residents. Active military families still live on Moffett Community Housing, and the former base has several lodges which primarily house academics and students associated with the Ames Research Center. Moffett Field's facilities available to residents include a pool, post office, golf course, tennis courts, gas station, and several small shops and restaurants, including an on-site McDonald's which closed April 30, 2008.

So there IS a closed McDonald's on that base....well, according to Wiki

Also, looks like there might be a lack of storage on that base, which might answer why they would be in a McDonalds:

Status of former military buildings

    Many of the buildings at Moffett Field which once supported its active military presence have been abandoned and left standing due to asbestos contamination within the structures

I have no opinion on this, but I find it all very interesting...and wanted to provide this information

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:53:38 pm
Originally posted by Zelong (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg13#pid5040670)

Here you go zorgon this will get them of your back.

I came across this post to Don by (Dennis Wingo) this is the guy in the video while he was searching for parts I assume for the his Ampex FR-900. This is back in 09-05-08, 03:11 PM

www.cadillacforums.com... (http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/cadillac-forums-lounge-member-introductions/127659-bluray-hddvd-5.html)


    Don I don't mean to intrude here but I was doing an internet search on Ampex FR-900's and was led to this post. Well I have four of them sitting within ten feet of me right now. I am doing a project at NASA Ames to resurrect two of them to digitize NASA's original master tapes from the lunar orbiter missions to the Moon. If you remember anything or know any possible information where we can find any information about them (we have some data but not enough), would you please contact me? Thanks Dennis Wingo NASA Research Park, Building 596 Moffett Field, CA 94035 my phone is 310-403-1346 Anything you might remember or know or any data that you might have would be of incredible value. Thanks Dennis

Hopefully this clears a few answers up

His company SkyCorp (http://www.skycorpinc.co/alpha.htm)

SkyCorp Signs Agreement With NASA (http://www.skycorpinc.com/alpha.htm)

to Fly the First Webserver in Space - and it will be a Mac G4

The Space Show (http://www.thespaceshow.com/guest.asp?q=17)

Dennis Wingo is a guest several times for this Space Show program.
(5/20/2008)

Regards
Zelong.

So it's all at the NASA Ames McDonalds, Dennis Wingo NASA Research Park, Building 596 Moffett Field, CA 94035

www.nasa.gov... (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/home/directions.html)

Driving Directions to the NASA Ames Research Center

Map of Bay AreaFrom Highway 101 Northbound

1. Exit Moffett Blvd./NASA Parkway.
2. At the stop light, turn right.
3. Proceed to main gate in the right lane.
4. The guard will direct you to either badging, parking or your destination in the NASA Research Park. Be prepared to show a driver's license to proceed into the NASA Research Park.

From Highway 101 Southbound

1. Exit Moffett Blvd./NASA Parkway.
2. At the stop light, turn right.
3. Proceed to main gate in the right lane.
4. The guard will direct you to either badging, parking or your destination in the NASA Research Park. Be prepared to show a driver's license to proceed into the NASA Research Park.


Added by Zorgon

NOTHING short of a tactical NUKE will ever get them off my back :P

But FANTASTIC find:  Even has his personal phone number posted...

Its funny how on the one hand he is mad at the exposure and wanting flicker and youtube to remove stuff, then at the same time he is posting all the info himself including personal contact info...

I guess he thinks no one is paying attention...

Too bad it has to be this guy in charge of it... so if there IS anything to be found on the tapes, you can bet it won't do us any good...

Maybe one of the other team members will let something slip through ;)

Thanks for the find   ;D  8)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:54:09 pm
Quote
Originally posted by kinda kurious
1. The mechanisms / technology required to shoot, process the film in an automated and weightless environment.

The Lunar Orbiter filming device :P

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon3/Camera01.gif)

Quote
4. The incredible technology of that era.  (Which I had usually dismissed as primitive.)

You mean like fiber optics?

 ::)

Four recoverable film camera capsules were carried aboard the S-IC stage. Two were located in the forward interstage looking forward to view S-IC/S-II separation and S-II engine start. The other two were mounted on top of the S-IC stage LOX tank and contained pulse cameras which viewed aft into the LOX tank through fiber optics bundles. One of the LOX tank capsules was recovered by helicopter at 00:19:30 at latitude 30.22° north and longitude 73.97° west. Despite film damage caused by sea water and dye marker which had leaked into the camera compartment, the film provided usable data. It was not known if the other three capsules were ejected. There were also two television cameras on the S-IC to view propulsion and control system components. Both provided good quality data.

APOLLO 8 (http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_08a_Summary.htm)

Fiber Optics in Apollo 11 TV Cameras

Apollo 11 TV Cameras NASA report (http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/MSC-SESD-28-105.pdf)

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:54:39 pm
Originally posted by purpleivan (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg13#pid5040901)

Looks like the McDonalds at Moffett Field has been closed for the last 5 months.

http://www.zvents.com/mountain-view-ca/venues/show/865458-mcdonalds

Additionally here's a photo of the outside of the place...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/noytrinos/2809285289/

... that shows the same kind of shrubbery around the place as can be seen through the windows in interior photos.

Another longer distance shot.

(http://dogbert.mse.cs.cmu.edu/mse2002/projects/NASA/darby/NASA/022_22.jpg)

Finally some reviews of this particular Mc D's that adds a little colour to the place and suggests that although attached to Moffett Field, it's not a secure military location, just somewhere that had become available.

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:55:56 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Nola213
Wow, nice find.

Not only did he crop the one for the martian herd, I didn't read the thread, was curious, but not curious enough to find out if people also realized he also flipped his cropped version, to make the cloud or dune appendages, face down instead of up for maximum effect.

Cropped yes... flipped no... its the same orientation as the NON MAP PROJECTED image at Malin Space System... but then I hardly expect people like you to understand the difference :P Since you can't even, by your own admission, be BOTHERED TO READ THE THREAD, then why bother educating you? The links to the original image were also provided in that thread... had you LOOKED

 ::)

Non Map projected is the direction the spacecraft takes the image... Like you would shooting something in front of you...

Map projected is the way they arrange the image to fit on the Martian globe with North at the top... which, as the spacecraft orbits it is not always shooting north...

(http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r16_r21/full_gif_non_map/R19/R1901066.gif)

Now had you guys actually read the thread you would have realized it was a TEST of ATS viewers...

So this is not "Shame on me" but Shame on YOU" :P

You see I posted three threads at the SAME TIME... Two with "Sensational' Headlines albeit in the form of a question mark...

A Herd of Martian Creatures?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread386109/pg1

Alternative 3's Base on Mars Discovered?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread386117/pg1

Those two threads took off like wild fire... Stars, Flags and reached over 15 pages in a day or two...

The third thread was ...

Fossils on Mars - A Collection of Evidence
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread386185/pg1

Now this one I specifically made sure it had "just the hard facts"  While this thread got 3 Applauses it only got THREE POSTS in the SAME TIME FRAME as the "Tabloid" headlines got several pages.

So YOU decide where the problem lies... To me it is a very strong indicator of where the interest lies at ATS.... Threads like my "Project Looking Glass" from LANL, the Fusion Rocket from Wisconsin U 1992, the EM Shielding for spacecraft NASA Document 1964, and the Nuclear Reactor on the Moon NASA Document 1992... all got moved to Skunk Works where they pretty much get ignored.

Look at the attention the Robbie William thread got....

So don't cry to me about the 'style' of posting to get the message out.  Just look at the immediate responses by the debunkers in this thread... before they even stopped to look at it

I see the problem as that any thread with REAL info is debunker proof... so they don't go into it and hope it will die... while the believers cannot really add much to technical reports other than "Great find"

So the tactic works... the thread gets forgotten...

Now anyone interested in the report on Life on Venus I got back from the remote viewing team?

 ::)
It even had THIS little fun document...  which naturally I support wholeheartedly

PUBLIC NOTICE:

Effective Immediately

Anyone stating an item in a photograph is "Just a Rock" is required to:

1) Give the type of rock
2) Explain how that rock was formed
3) Explain how that rock came to be at the location it is found in
4) describe in point form your expertise in geology
5) submit documentation to back your claim of it being a rock

Failure to meet these requirements may mean your comment is rejected by this office. An unqualified statement of 'its just a rock..' is no more valid than a statement 'its a building'

Memo #NASA345ATS2008-A1
Date 08-28-2008
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:56:20 pm
Near-Term Satellite, Internet and VOIP Technology Solutions

Dennis Wingo talks about Hurricane Katrina
http://satjournal.tcom.ohiou.edu/issue10/panel2/panel2.html

Article he wrote
Space Tug to NASA's Hubble Space Telescope's Rescue?
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=10083

Here he is listed as....
For further information contact:

Dennis Wingo
Chief Technical Officer
Orbital Recovery Corporation
wingod@orbitalrecovery.com
www.orbitalrecovery.com
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:57:36 pm
Quote
reply to post by zorgon

 Its funny how on the one hand he is mad at the exposure and wanting flicker and youtube to remove stuff, then at the same time he is posting all the info himself including personal contact info...

Originally Posted by zelong (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg14#pid5044997)

It certainly is.

I'm very interested in your Amazing Post. The pic's are Huge enough to see ever thing but it was the Video I used to work out the Make and Model of those Machines again Amazing Technology for back than 1966? Did anyone else feel something wasn't right seeing NO VALVE's.

My research was Not for Debunking rather the Technology of the time what I have gathered so far is the Tape can use 9 sections but only four are used (I don't think audio is one of them, still researching).

I feel at the time Dennis (last name with-held :duh was searching for parts and Knowledge of his babys(Ampex FR-900's) his finding of this Guy

"dkozloski":
Quote from :

Source (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg14#pid5044997)

    Originally Posted by dkozloski View Post I was off and on in military and industrial electronics for almost 50 years. ........I cut my teeth on FR-600, FR-900, FR-1400 Ampex. Bell&Howell, Mincom, and 3M. We had an RCA RADAR video recorder that had 4 foot diameter tape reels.

would of been Very Exciting to say the least so as to get Full Attention Dennis states :

    I am doing a project at NASA Ames to resurrect two of them to digitize NASA's original master tapes from the lunar orbiter missions to the Moon.

as this old Warhorse could run the damm thing (Ampex FR-900).

Let this be a lesson for us All, if you put your personal info online once it can always be found by any Zelong.

Anyway, Keep up the Good work you put out.

Regards
Zelong.

P.S I will consider my Slate clean.

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:58:06 pm
Quote
Originally posted by phage (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg14#pid5046244)

I guess it depends on how you want to define missing. It appears that all of the Orbiter tapes were in storage until they were moved to Ames for this joint project.

LUNAR ORBITER IMAGE RECOVERY

A cooperative project between NASA Ames, UAH, and Skycorp to refurbish Ampex FR-900 tape drives to digitize original Lunar Orbiter data.

These data exists in lower resolution form at USGS but in 40 years the original high resolution data has not been downloaded.

The LO Recovery effort will begin this summer. Original analog data tapes archived by GSFC/JPL have been transferred to Ames.
Tape drives preserved by a foresighted retiree have been transferred to Ames as well

http://www.lunarbase.rutgers.edu/presentations/Lundquist.ppt - [PDF][Archived]

Don't know the date of the document.

Posted by Zorgon

Well THANK YOU very much for this document

These data exists in lower resolution form at USGS but in 40 years the original high resolution data has not been downloaded.

That's what we have been saying all along... that the LO images available online are in LOWER RESOLUTION

So ONE definition of 'missing" would be not having access to them

But thanks for proving our point that the high res images were NOT available

Quote
    Don't know the date of the document.

File title says 2003


Originally posted by StargateSG7 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg15#pid5047987)

As a self-described Video Expert (i.e. SAIT CTSR Grad) with 15 years of high-end digital video experience, I am VERY INTERESTED in contributing to the effort of converting these NASA tapes! - I have some expertise with both 1 inch Sony and 2 inch AMPEX/Quad tape formats and am quite familiar with methods such as BAKING older tape so that it can be played back on such machines so the tape oxide doesn't flake off the polyester substrate.

BUT......FOR YOUR INFORMATION ........

I NOW have a much better method to capture the archived NASA tapes and am willing to do so for FREE. I have designed custom multi-processing imaging software that OPTICALLY SCANS (using a microscope & digital HDTV camera) the scanline imprints of each frame that has been recorded on magnetic tape and by using my custom DSP (Digital Signal Processing) algorithms I can recreate the waveforms of the analog broadcast signal by converting the BITMAP SCANS of each analog video frame into either 8-bit greyscale or 24 bit RGB colour image frames which I can then convert into 4:4:4:4 Serial Digital video or 4:2:2 DV format or MPEG2/MPEG4/DVD video at 720 by 480 pixels OR full 1920 by 1080p HDTV.

I just HAPPEN to know the recording head configuration and scanline formatting of BOTH Sony 1" and AMPEX 2"/Quad tape formats so I already have the conversion capability built-into my software.

IN ADDITION, I HAVE MANY, MANY TERABYTES OF DISK SPACE so storage is NOT A PROBLEM!

So if any of you have the contact information for the people involved or the contact information of the photographer, send them this message and MY contact information so they can forward it to the right people and get the ball rolling. I welcome phone calls because I CAN HELP !!!!!

I am willing to convert the tapes GRATIS, AT NO CHARGE, AND THAT MEANS FREE!!!! using my NEW OPTICAL SCANNING METHOD which DOES NOT physically use a playback head to touch the tape... I do it by taking high resolution photos of the tape surface and using software to scan the orientation and patterning of the tape particles so as to find the frame boundaries on a frame-by-frame basis which is then processed to interpret the video scan lines so I then convert to a modern digital video file format.

I can also process out tape-based noise and magnetic particle anomalies to get the CLEANEST possible image!

We can transfer older 35mm slide, Super-8/Regular-8 mm film and 16mm FILM to Video transfers so that I can do too ... although we DO CHARGE for THAT Service!

Send email to or phone me at to discus how I can get the NASA tapes to me for conversion to various digital formats FOR FREE !!!!!!!!:

Henry A. Eckstein
aka ATS User: StargateSG7
Email: henry@comwave.com
Website: www.comwave.com
Phone: 604-253-3990
(If phoning call Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 Pacific Time - i.e. Vancouver, Canada)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:58:59 pm
In other news....

Posted from email.... next step in the process..

Quote
Thank You for the contact information....I will give him a ring tomorrow when I'm back in the office and send him a comprehensive report on what I envisage with my optical scanning and software image processing technique.

Basically what I do is put the magnetic tape reels onto a slow-moving spindle that moves at a few millimetres per second so as to give enough time for a 1024 by 1024 pixel RGB 60 fps digital camera attached to a high-quality optical magnifier to scan the tape by STITCHING multiple photos into a large bitmap that constitutes the frame boundaries of an analog Video waveform. (I can do digitally encoded frames too).  That large bitmap is then scanned using my software using technology similar to Optical Character Recognition (OCR) where I can change the Greyscale/YIQ/YUV/YDbDr scanline information that is likely to be on the NASA tapes into an uncompressed 720 by 480 pixel RGB video frame or to a super-sampled 1920 by 1080 pixel progressive RGB HDTV frame that can then be converted to any modern digital video format that I want.

And I estimate the storage of uncompressed video based upon the number of reels strewn about in the McDonalds photos, to be almost one Petabyte (1000 Terabytes) of data, which is NOT a problem for me, it's just a matter of buying enough extra hard drives to hold it all on a more permanent basis. I've already got almost two petabytes of off-line digital storage so another petabyte ain't gonna hurt me.

The biggest problem is the quality of the original tapes themselves...tape oxide DETERIORATES over time and my biggest worry is it flaking away from the polyester substrate and the only way to fix that is to BAKE the tape in an oven to harden it and then play it ONLY ONCE through my apparatus in order to get a clean optical-scan transfer.

I have NO IDEA as to the current condition of the NASA tapes so I can only speculate as to what needs done thus I would need a sample tape to test the quality of transfer...If the tape itself is good, then the transfer I do will
be equal to the original recording and since I can filter out magnetic tape noise, I might even get close to the quality of the original space-to-ground broadcast.

If some people, who have speculated that the tapes are DIGITALLY ENCODED, are correct, I can ALSO transfer that using my OPTICAL SCAN method and since all I need to know is the width, height and greyscale/colour
format of the pixels, I'll be able to convert the probably PCM-based (Pulse Coded Modulation) picture frames into absolute digital clarity. If it's digital we might be able to get some really AWESOME quality video footage.

Hopefully I can still get a hold of Dennis Wingo to get the ball rolling.

Just so I don't get your hopes up too high, please be aware this might
take a week or more in order to to get replies and talk on the phone.
So don't expect a miracle tomorrow but I will do my best...!!!

You can post this email on ATS or forward to others who are interested
if you want so as to possibly spark some mainstream media interest.

Thanks

Henry A. Eckstein
email: henry@comwave.com
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 07:59:52 pm
Originally posted by StargateSG7 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg16#pid5049894)

Quote
ATS MEMBER TALKS TO HOLDER OF NASA MOON ORBITER TAPES!

I have personally talked to Dennis Wingo who currently holds a vast archive of 1960's/1970's era moon orbiter video footage via telephone for approximately five minutes at 7:00 pm Pacific Time on September 29, 2008 and he explained to me his exasperation at the MANY websites (including ATS whom he specifically mentioned
by name) that have caused a great disturbance in the Webspace and Blogosphere and that he says has hampered his efforts to bring the archival NASA footage to the public domain.

He explicitly informed me that ALL the tapes will be presented to the NASA archives and therefore WILL be made public domain as soon as he can finish the tape transfer process.

After offering my technical expertise, he informed me that the NASA tapes were stored and maintained very well and are in EXCELLENT condition and that he is FULLY CAPABLE of finishing the transfer process without my or anyone else's help!

His demeanor on the phone was professional and courteous, although he did express his obvious chagrin at the myriad of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created a worldwide furore over his efforts. He indicated his displeasure at being hampered by the constant and bothersome interruptions and would prefer that he be allowed to continue his efforts in peace.

Mr. Wingo also states that he has seen NOTHING that would be considered anomalous or "Conspiratorial" within the imagery he has transferred and reiterated
that once the footage is released in it's entirety, those who have the skills can do what they wish with the video data that is to come.

I did NOT ask him about the photos posted on this ATS thread regarding the tapes strewn about in an unverifiably abandoned or shut-down McDonalds and thus I personally cannot make any comment about those photos as to their veracity or content.

In conclusion, I suggest that we wait and see before we rush to judgment and that cooler heads must prevail before "we doth protest too mucheth". So hold your horses and let the guy do his job and only THEN can we comment with a modicum
of certainty or truth!

by
Henry A. Eckstein
aka ATS User: StargateSG7

P.S. For those OTHERS OF YOU who have more sinister or more secretive imagery, please do email me at:

henry@comwave.com

with the Subject line of:
ATTN: ATS Threads - Forensic Evidence Examination

I will then contact you via email or by phone so that I can arrange to have you send me your "Stuff" to my abode via a secured method for further forensic quality examination.

I can accept Windows Bitmap, TIFF, JPEG, PNG, RAW RGB, Photoshop PSD, Corel Photopaint, AVI, Quicktime, WMV, MPEG1/2/4 DVD, VCD, BluRay, Betacam SP, Video-8, Hi-8, 3/4" U-matic, Mini-DV, Hard Drive, 8mm/16mm/35mm/70mm Positive Print film and even more esoteric formats for those of you who wish answers to your most secretive questions.

Quote
Originally posted by zorgon

[Redacted]

There has been an email update... I am suspending the letter writing campaign for the moment until the new information is processed
[edit on 29-9-2008 by zorgon]

Quote
Originally posted by StargateSG7

In conclusion, I suggest that we wait and see before we rush to judgment and that cooler heads must prevail before "we doth protest too mucheth". So hold your horses and let the guy do his job and only THEN can we comment with a modicum of certainty or truth!

 

INTERESTING...

Funny I was just about to post something similar. I retracted the letter writing 'campaign' in light of new information via email and there is an "Anonymous Reply" pending approval...

As soon as I get permission to quote from the email I will share what I can

Seems you are already known to the team Mr Henry A. Eckstein  aka StargateSG7

 ::)

Quote
Originally posted by StargateSG7

His demeanor on the phone was professional and courteous, although he did express his obvious chagrin at the myriad  of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created a worldwide furore over his efforts. He indicated his  displeasure at being hampered by the constant and  bothersome interruptions and would prefer that he
be allowed to continue his efforts in peace.

Myriad sites and Worldwide furore?  :o That ought to be good for ATS ratings,  ;D we got that much coverage so quickly?  It was only released a few days ago and already pulled. Maybe he is exaggerating a little? I mean he did post his contact info at Cadilac looking for assistance.

Surely one does not think google is a useless tool? :D

Personally I would be happier if he would simply release a statement that the INTENT is to preserve these tapes for posterity and that the INTENT is to make them available to the taxpayer who paid for them over 40 years ago...

Surely not to much to ask in the interest of peace?

MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE TAXPAYERS
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:00:19 pm
The following was the Anonymous Post in pending...

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg14#pid5047440)

Originally posted by zorgon

    In any case.. the end result, considering who is involved in this 'project' is that they are only interested in making their toy work and I doubt the care a hill of beans about the actual data... And I also doubt any of us will ever see it


Fascinating thread. "...only interested in making their toy work"? Really? Don't care "about the actual data"? Really? It rather beggars belief that you appear to be aware of who is involved in this project, but can make this statement.

What reason might be valid for suggesting that project leader "D" does not care about the actual data? Is this consistent with existing information readily available online? Perhaps the author of a book entitled "Moonrush" - appearing in videos as a strong proponent of mining and colonising the moon, seeking to exploit mineral deposits from asteroid impacts amongst other things - is perfectly happy with the lower resolution photos anyone can access now from the USGS when he draws up his plans for specific landing sites?

Might it occur to you that this project is so extremely valuable because it is geared toward providing the general public with access to a higher resolution of imagery than is currently available, albeit imagery that has been seen before? Being passionate about "toys" such as that tape machine is the only way anyone is going to be able to recover data this is on the brink of being lost forever.

Why anyone would doubt the veracity of the tremendous commitment and hard work being put into archiving this material is completely beyond me - the fact it is being carried out by a dedicated team who obviously have a genuine passion for scientific knowledge, happy to operate in a disused McDonald's, makes it all the more believable, surely?

If there is real doubt that "any of us will ever see it", how sensible is it to post grid co-ords and satellite imagery of the location of the project, suggesting "dropping by" and so on? Could this put eventual general public access to these images in jeopardy, by any chance? After Dr X explained that a "proof of concept" needs to be completed before further funding is secured to complete the project, surely it would be wise to avoid sensationalist claims or encourage site visits, so that this second stage becomes more likely?

At least then, if all images are successfully archived and made available at this higher resolution, people can freely continue to bicker about what certain shapes may represent or what has been doctored.

Dennis I presume? Well thank you for that statement

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:00:57 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Phage
As the Apollo Knowledge Transfer presentation says; this is a collaborative effort between NASA, Dennis Wingo of Skycorp, Inc, and the University of Alabama at Huntsville. Skycorp has had contracts with NASA since 2005. The contracts have been for; Aeronautics and Space Technology -- Basic Research (R&D), ADP Input/Output and Storage Devices, and Arts/Graphics Services.

Fair enough... but if this is the case... why are they having funding issues?
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:02:19 pm
Originally posted by StargateSG7 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg16#pid5050475)

Regarding my own quote posted earlier:
=====
"His demeanor on the phone was professional and courteous, although he did express his obvious chagrin at the myriad of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created a worldwide furore over his efforts. He indicated his displeasure at being hampered by the constant and bothersome interruptions and would prefer that he be allowed to continue his efforts in peace."
=====

I should CAUTION READERS that the words "myriad" and "worldwide furore" are MY OWN words and NOT a direct quote from Mr. Wingo... He indicated that more than one site and more than one person has basically caused him to feel harassed and/or bothered. He did NOT specifically mention an exact number or the names of other sites. The humorous thing was he mentioned ATS specifically WITHOUT ANY prompting from me!

And again I wish to re-iterate that he was courteous and professional on the phone but was obviously ANNOYED at all the attention.

On a secondary point regarding photographic manipulation techniques, MODERN FORENSIC technology would pick up film grain mismatches in older photographs done using the older "analog" methods of airbrushing.

And the painting of pixels and digital manipulation was first demonstrated from what I understand at the precursor to the MIT Media Lab in the mid 1970's within the auspices of a pre-1980's Project Athena networking system and using workstations/minisupers such as the 1970's era DEC PDP 11/Vax 750/Vax 780 and early 1980' era Apollo, Stardent, Convex and other early pix-oriented computer systems.

Lucasfilm begat some SERIOUS pixel magic when some ex-employees spun off into their own companies to create the AVID Video editing system and Photoshop Paint program and then the computer graphics industry that we have today....!!!!

I remember when 1024 by 768 pixels at 256 (i.e. 8-bit) colour was costing us over $80,000 U.S. and Now I'm working at 1920 by 1200 pixels at 64 bit colour and it cost me only $600. I also remember having to lift a 90 lbs monitor onto desks which was no fun for me.... My new 30" monitor is going to be 2500+ by 1600 pixels and
with a lot more horsepower than MANY of those early workstations combined!

I'll throw THIS TIDBIT out there though, I DISTINCTLY remember going to a computer demonstration in 1979 (when I was 9 YEARS OLD!) where a Commodore PET computer was doing full blown colour raster imaging using an unusual black-box add-on that a computer scientist (didn't know what that was at the time) at the demo had said was the most powerful imaging system on Earth and that many important people were using it right now! I do remember the ego-fed demeanor and the obvious pride in those statements but I didn't recognize at the time what it all meant, just that it was important.

EDIT: FURTHER CLARIFICATION:

I should also note that it was NOT the Commodore PET computer that was doing the processing but rather a black-curtained box about the size of an 80 litre (20 gallon) cooler which was manipulating the first ever high-resolution bitmap of an aerial photograph I had ever seen AND it was also drawing vector-based graphics ON TOP of the bitmap.

The Commodore PET computer was used as a front end to input commands and issue instructions to what in later years I realized was a multi-CPU raster processor attached to a high-resolution VERY LARGE ALMOST-SQUARE CRT monitor of unknown make (possibly Evans & Sutherland?).

I should also note that I have found patents that reference ultra high resolution raster scanning displays that were filed as early as 1970 !!!!!

See this link:

Real-time ultra-high resolution image projection display using laser-addressed liquid crystal light valve  (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4611245.html)

Looking back, I remember that the resolution was stated to be 1k+ by 1k+ pixels (i.e. 1000+ by 1000+ pixels) and I have come to realize that at the time, I had probably viewed the world's highest resolution colour computer monitor YEARS BEFORE such displays became common place.

So I am inclined to believe that at least since 1978, we have had raster scanning systems in the white-budget world of AT LEAST 1000 by 1000 pixels and probably DOUBLE THAT within the Black Budget world!

My belief in those memories is bolstered by the fact that 1000+ lines of resolution were being worked on by the Japanese and American television industry as early as 1968 with NHK Japan's analog-based MUSE HDTV system.

Although I cannot remember the specific words or the exact place or time or the name of the computer scientist, I DO remember those particular words "Most Powerful imaging system on Earth" and for some reason I KNEW that this was IMPORTANT and that I needed to PAY ATTENTION!

I personally know of and have SEEN monitor resolutions of greater than 100,000 by 100,000 pixels using multiple MATCHED projection systems fed by distributed-image processing systems so I would NOT be surprised at the advances in imaging technology and I would ALSO NOT be surprised at what could have been possible as early as the late 1960's!

I have also seen a DEMO of one of the FIRST RGB laser projection systems that had an ultra-sharp, very colourful resolution of over 5000 lines at 24-bit colour and was told it could be easily expanded to many MILLIONS of lines if enough frame-buffer memory and bandwidth was available to drive the RGB lasers and this was in 1996!
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:02:45 pm
Quote
Originally posted by StargateSG7

And I have read how upset posters on ATS have become as to Mr. Wingo's desires and motivations which to me are NOT that much of an issue whereas MANY of YOU HAVE made it a "Big Deal" and in my opinion have blown his efforts quite out of proportion when a more constructive line would be to OFFER financial help or advanced technical support in a manner that would NOT hinder his personal efforts
or be overly intrusive in his area of expertise.

Um correct me if I am wrong here but was it not you who came charging in here offering your services and intent on contacting Mr Wingo directly? In this post?

ATS POST (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg1#pid5047987)

I am willing to bet that not one other person in this thread has picked up the phone to talk to him. It also seems you have changed your tune drastically over the last few posts... so much so that I seriously question your motives here...

If I am wrong and anyone else did phone him, u2u me and let me know. I know none of my group did... and I highly doubt the skeptics bothered him... so where is this 'Harassment' you speak of?

You stated earlier that "he express his obvious chagrin at the myriad of "Conspiracy Sites" and "Nutcases" that have created a worldwide furore over his efforts"

Well if he considers us "Nutcases" then perhaps our concerns for these tapes are justified...

I get the impression from my sources that 'sabotaging' the project is more of a concern..

Quote
When a project becomes "Your Baby" it is HIGHLY ANNOYING to have outsiders
stomp all over you or continuously knocking or phoning and otherwise just plain old interfering.

Again sir, it was YOU who went 'stomping' in with your phone call to offer your expertise... we merely posted an interesting story and attempted to get clarification from the photographer...

And again if Dennis did not want people to contact him directly to offer help on the tape machines, posting his own address and phone number on a public forum (Cadilac) is NOT the way to stay anonymous

 ::)

As to fund raising I actually have a solid lead and contact that would possibly be very interested in funding this effort and has the means to do so. This is preliminary at this stage but it IS a serious contact. When and if this becomes solid I will pass it along to the appropriate party...
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:05:13 pm

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Originally posted by Matyas
Yes, but we need to ask ourselves if ATS is the best place to do that, hmm?

Well on that note... I just went through several weeks of deciding just that. I even jumped over to Project Avalon/Project Camelot...

Now over there there was an interview by 'Henry Deacon', a supposed ex LLNL employee who is a whistle blower. In the interview he mentions specifically the "Project Looking Glass" at Los Alamos, and reluctantly "Shiva Nova"...

Well both those topics I have already collected a LOT of material on, even posted the actual document on Looking Glass here at ATS, where it ended up in Skunkworks ignored and forgotten

I spent a day putting all the relevant data onto Project Camelot in response to  the interview... the REAL hard data on the projects including the link to the LLNL laser home page (Shiva Nova is a laser capable of creating a small Sun in a chamber :P )

What happened is Henry flipped... called me PSYOPS and all the material and his threads were deleted. 

So much for people wanting the truth.

I guess fuzzy images of rocks and UFO's are okay but don't show the real stuff...

Now in this case here... I was sent the original info by the photographer... He pointed to my site, specifically the Lunar Orbiter pages and sent me the links...

I then wrote him back for more information and to see how to handle this...

No reply... but then the Youtube video was posted... 

Okay so its out on Flicker and Youtube... and it was sent to me with the sender fully aware of what my site is all about and where I post...

Now I get 'knocked' for sensationalism... because I state in the OP "Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found"  People want to play that game... but since these tapes have not been available to the public for 40 years then turn up in such a fashion on the floor of an abandoned McDonalds... I stick by my choice of title.

I have still not heard back from Steve... but I have had mail from another project 'participant'. (in quotes as I don't yet have his official connection, same as Dr X)

(The following is directed at the watchers :P )

Sensationalism?

Who was it that labeled the original Flicker posts "Pirate McDonald's" and "McMoon" ?

Who was it that thought it was funny to put a Pirate Flag in the window?

Who was it that in the opening question/headline of Flicker said...

"We discovered a most unusual covert operation in a McDonalds today… What could it be?"

How about the 'misinformation' part?

Steve said this.... "In this McDonalds, the only copy of that datais about to be resurrected. Erik and I dropped in for a visit after the LUNAR rocket launch at NASA Ames."

If this is indeed the ONLY copy, then how is AU and USGS making their high res versions in the digitization project?

So this whole episode here is bizarre. And finishing the opening flickr statement with this comment..

"And yes, the conspiracy continues, with McDonalds' long and sordid history with the Apollo program..." - Steve

Uh huh right no intent at sensationalism there

 ::)

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98 flags after only 16 pages is a pretty big roar. If everyone here could help get it down to a low rumble it will be very much appreciated by said interested parties.
You know. Run silent, run deep. :)

 


Hmmm perhaps your right...

"Silence is Golden" they say... I am sure it is better for all if this just fades away... back into the shadows. from whence it came...

Methinks I hear Caid calling.... time to get the rust off the armor
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:06:19 pm
Now for everyone else who is seriously interested...

Here is one look into the mindset of Dennis Wingo...

I will post this only once... then later have some comments to add from recent emails...


Deliverable Under Contract NNL06AE27P (http://lib.uah.edu/researchassistance/files/NNL06AE27P.pdf)
- [PDF][Archived]

Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:16:24 pm
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg22#pid5310868)

Well I can verify part of the chicken coupe story it wasn't a chicken coupe it was a garage in L.A. owned by my family. I helped Steve load those monster machines aprox 4 hours . I took him and his sidekick to pick up the rental trucks. For all my troubles the only thing I asked of him was be careful when they exit the property. I had to go to work and trusted him to be a man of his word. He cashed the wall and took off and like a child, after weeks of his denial at first then admission and promise to pay, he just blew it off. So no chicken coupe, one broken wall, and no regard for anyone. I have pictures (not touched up)
Its an interesting story just not a interesting man
Mike F
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:18:33 pm
UPDATE

Found by Zarniwoop...  Seems the Cat is out of the bag :D

NASA Unveils 42-Year-old Historic Lunar Image

NASA Unveils 42-Year-old Historic Lunar Image

PRESS RELEASE
Date Released: Monday, November 10, 2008
Source: Ames Research Center - Comments Comments


MOFFETT FIELD, Calif. - NASA will hold a media briefing at 3 p.m. PST on Thursday, Nov. 13, 2008, to unveil a newly restored historic image from the early days of lunar exploration and discuss the innovative processing technique used to retrieve the image.

The briefing will take place in the Ames Research Center auditorium, Bldg. N-201. NASA officials will be available to discuss the recovery process and the scientific value of the iconic images to the next generation of explorers as NASA plans to return to the moon. A tour of the restoration facility will be offered following the briefing.

Briefing participants are:

- S. Pete Worden, Ames Research Center Director
- Greg Schmidt, Deputy Director, NASA Lunar Science Institute, NASA Ames
- Dennis Wingo, Image Recovery Project Lead, Huntsville, Ala.
- Charles J. Byrne, Lunar Image Expert, Middletown, N.J.

For news media representatives unable to attend, a roundtable discussion will be held following the briefing. Reporters wanting to participate must call Mike Mewhinney at 650-604-3937 by Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2008.

Driving Directions: To reach NASA Ames, take the Moffett Field/NASA Parkway exit off U.S. 101 and drive east on Moffett Boulevard towards the main gate. At the main gate, pull into the small parking lot on your right and enter the Visitor Badge Office to obtain a visitor pass. The auditorium is located directly behind the administration building as you enter the center.

For more information about NASA Ames Research Center, visit:


http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=26900

S. Pete Worden, Ames Research Center Director

Well so Pete Worden is involved now...

Who is Pete Worden?  I did a thread here on his appointment.

Pete Worden: the new guy at Ames

(http://www.thespacereview.com/archive/612a.jpg)

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In 1991, when the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO) decided to go ahead with developing a flight demonstration vehicle for a single stage to orbit (SSTO) system, then-Lieutenant Colonel Pete Worden supervised the efforts of Jess Sponable, Bill Gaubatz, and others, which ended up creating the revolutionary DC-X. This program proved, among other things, that one does not need hundreds of millions or billions of dollars to do valuable rocket science. The whole program ended up costing around $80 million. It showed that a reusable rocket with vertical takeoff and landing capability can be developed, and that smart use of existing technology can keep development costs to a minimum.

It also taught Worden something about bureaucratic politics between NASA, Air Force and the rest of the US Government. And, as the saying goes, “he has the scars on his back to prove it”

In 1994, along with Pedro Rustan, he led the innovative and still controversial Clementine Moon probe. This low-cost project, run out of a town house in Alexandria, Virginia, tested sensors for the missile defense program and also found indications, but not hard proof, that there was water ice in the Moon’s polar regions.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/612/1

So he was involved in the Star Wars program and the director of Clementine Mission...
He is also involved with the "Mars on Earth" Project...

http://www.marsonearth.org/about/tm.html?id=32

And now he is heading up the project on these Lunar Orbiter tapes...

Oh well it was a nice dream...  :(
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:18:59 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Well I can verify part of the chicken coupe story it wasn't a chicken coupe it was a garage in L.A. owned by my family.   

Hmmm Seems Spaceref got the drop on us on THIS one... Thanks Zarniwoop for digging it up

The FR-900 drives in Nancy Evan's garage - the first time we saw them in February 2007. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/DSCN2820.m.jpg)

Seems the Chicken coop is only a few feet away..

The FR-900 drives in Nancy Evan's garage had some neighbors living a few feet away. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/DSCN0101.m.jpg)

Interior of one of the FR-900 tape drives before refurbishment began. Credit: LOIRP/MOONVIEWS.COM

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/IMG_0048.m.jpg)

Image Collection: From a Garage to NASA (http://www.moonviews.com/archives/2008/11/image_collection_from_a_garage.html#more)

Now it also seems that other people more directly involved also thought the tapes were MISSING  :P

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James Fincannon:

Excellent work! These images have unequaled resolution (so far). I had thought the tapes degraded, lost or destroyed, or at the very least, unreadable due to lost devices to read them. Didn't some of the readers get stolen?


Image Collection: From a Garage to NASA (http://www.moonviews.com/archives/2008/11/image_collection_from_a_garage.html#more)
Here is a sample of the "Increased Resolution"  Image on left original... image on right new scan from tapes

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/mt13a410msf192199.comp.2.w.jpg)

BIG PICTURE (http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/mt13a410msf192199.comp.2.l.jpg)

Uh huh I can see the better quality...

So NASA put top dog Gen. Pete Worden in charge of these LO images... I guess we can expect to see LOTS

 ::)

I'm tired... going to bad...
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:19:30 pm
Quote
Originally posted by Phage
I wasn't really expecting much higher quality than that which we have from USGS. 

Ah well... I was hoping at least to get some of those missing image numbers from USGS :P

But maybe what we need to do is a fund raiser and get our own camera's up there.
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:19:55 pm
NASA unveils lunar image recovery project
November 13, 2008 4:57 PM PST


(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20081113/Moon_1966_610x288.jpg)

FULL SIZE (http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/earthrise.l.w.jpg)

NASA has released a fully restored 42-year-old image of Earth taken from the moon. The image was released as part of a project that will allow scientists at NASA and beyond to compare historical images of the moon with new images that will be captured when NASA sends new missions to the moon in the coming years.
(Credit: NASA/LOIRP)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10097025-52.html?part=rss

I guess the hornets nest has been stirred now. At least ATS was at the for front of the story :P

Now THIS one is interesting. The above image is a section from LO I - 102

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/LO_1_120/LO_1_120_700.png)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:20:50 pm
NASA Unveils 42-Year-Old Historic Lunar Image

Here is the Official NASA release...

NASA Unveils 42-Year-Old Historic Lunar Image (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2008/08_96AR.html)

Here is the Official NASA CORRECTION :P

RELEASE : 08_99AR
Correction -- NASA Restores Historic Lunar Orbiter Image (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2008/08_99AR.html)


Good old NASA... Never A Straight Answer :P

Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project (LOIRP) Overview (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/moonmars/features/LOIRP/)


Download video about the LOIRP project. (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/mp4/290608main_ARC-LOIRP-NASA-Podcast.mp4)

Here is a website by Keith Cowing with more pictures and facts, as well as some Lunar Images From Chandrayaan-1

Moonviews (http://www.moonviews.com/)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:21:15 pm
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Originally posted by StargateSG7

Are these scanning artifacts from the videotape read process itself or they artifacts from the cameras on the lunar orbiters which only took small vertical swaths of imagery to be stitched together using an optical process?


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon3/Camera01.gif)

Imagery Information (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Info.html)
Title: Re: Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: RUSSO on August 26, 2011, 08:22:44 pm
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg22#pid5330884)

Zorgon,

Sorry that I have been away so long. I was very busy as I am directly involved in the Lunar Orbiter Data Recovery project, at least for now. On the 13th of this month I was at NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field for the public release of this project - which you know about already. The link is here:

www.collectspace.com... (http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-111408a.html)


The video on that site was taken at that conference.

However, there is a back story to all of this and I will ultimately put it up on my web site which will reveal what my involvement in this project is. When I do, I will post a link to it here if you like. It should be fairly soon. Sorry to say that there are no conspiracies about moon bases etc. that I am aware of, but I can tell about an interesting encounter that I had with Richard Hoagland around 1996 concerning his claims if you like.

Also I must say that I was impressed as to how one of your readers tracked down the site. Who would have imagined that there was a list of CLOSED McDonalds! Open, yes. Closed? Never. Live and learn. Apparently one person actually did show up at the site, so I was told (I wasn't there at the time). I believe he is the one who said that they were 'just a bunch of guys who had an interesting project and that is all they wanted to do.' And that is the truth. The dataset represents, according to some estimates, about 1.2 terra bytes of information, which is a real treasure trove for researchers when digitized. This is because up to now that data was available in one of two formats: about 2,000 each of 28" x 30" prints (very expensive), or about 35 microfiche (not as expensive - but you need a reader and the resolution is less). Soon they will be available as a CD or DVD at a modest cost - or directly down-loadable. As the resolution is unprecedented, issues as to whether the "glass towers" etc. are real or are processing artifacts should be resolved fairly easily. I'm voting for 'processing artifacts' myself.

In the mean time can I ask a favor of you? I would like to know if there is a link to the original posting that started this thread? That is the one with the video and all the other information that started this whole thing. Can you post it for me? Thanks in advance.

Also is it possible to contact you directly? It is a Dragon related thing.

Thanks again.

~ Dr. X ~
Title: Re: "Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: zorgon on August 31, 2011, 02:10:49 am
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Originally posted by Dr. X I am directly involved in the Lunar Orbiter Data Recovery project,

Hmmm why am I not surprised by this? ;)

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Sorry to say that there are no conspiracies about moon bases etc. that I am aware of, but I can tell about an interesting encounter that I had with Richard Hoagland around 1996 concerning his claims if you like.

No moon bases? :o but I would like to get your opinion about a certain 'rock' ;) and I would love to here your Hoagland story... on or off the record :D

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Soon they will be available as a CD or DVD at a modest cost - or directly down-loadable.

So ummmm a signed copy for all the free advertising? :P

If your still on that 'limited budget' try MIXONIC (http://www.mixonic.com/mcm/mixonic/index.jsp) for DVD/CD. They are very close to you downton SF and have a small minimum of only 100 for 179.00.
Includes:
• CD duplication
• Black disc printing
• Full color 2-panel insert
• Thin jewel case

They did a great job for us... ready in two days

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In the mean time can I ask a favor of you?  I would like to know if there is a link to the original posting that started this thread?


The original links that started this threat were the two posts on Flicker that were deleted and the one youtube video. The information and original photo are still on my website, though not the comments from other users. However I do have both those pages saved in 'archives' as well as the youtube video...

As I only had permission for the first two... I did not copy those to my site. So I cannot post it unless I get authorization, but I can email you a copy... since your with the project.

The rest of the material is collected here... with the first comments from Flicker by Steve Jurvetson. There is also one other person I am in contact with who wishes to remain anonymous at this time... Hehe but it could be you for all I know ;)

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Also is it possible to contact you directly?  It is a Dragon related thing.

standauffish@earthlink.net

Thanks for popping in...  I had a lot more to post but thought it best to 'hold off' as 'requested' ;)
Title: Re: "Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: zorgon on August 31, 2011, 02:32:09 am
Originally posted by Dr. X (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394867/pg23#pid5337282)

Quote
Originally posted by Maxmars
    reply to post by Dr. X

Here's to much success to you and your colleagues in your efforts! Hope we can see them soon, unless NASA can cook up a reason not to share *sigh*.
MM

Thanks for the good wishes MM. It will be some time though. The reason is that the tape run time is about 50 minutes per tape and with handling, figure one hour. There are about 2,000 tapes so that is a "man year" of work. This is because only one drive is operational at the moment. There is a possibility that another one will be brought up in the near future if funding can be acquired, in which case the time could be compressed to about 6 months. In any case the data will be made public I am sure. This is because NASA's policy is that the raw data is public, but any value added can be charged for. So, presumably, one will be able to download the reconstructed images for free (if you have the bandwidth), but the LOIRP could sell the raw data on some media as digitization and media is value added.

~ Dr. X ~
Title: Re: "Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: zorgon on August 31, 2011, 02:48:01 am
Some Videos released since all this started

Restoring Forgotten Lunar Orbiter Images

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_nKtxal5dw[/youtube]

New Video about the tapes... Dennis Wingo presents... 48,000 lbs of tape :D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuHKbU0i0q8[/youtube]

LOIRP Second Operational FR-900 Milestone

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awc6dm_kvV8[/youtube]

Two FR-900's Operational

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfc0NLGAaow[/youtube]

And finally it makes main stream news, complete with the Pirate flag and the 'affectionate' name McMOON

Found this Associated Press video


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwbw1vhtZ0g[/youtube]

Amazing how quiet the thread got after this  :o what's up with that? Where are all the detractors who screamed hoax and BS?  Oh yeah forgot... like roaches when the lights come on  ;D

 ::)
Title: Re: "Missing" Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonald's
Post by: zorgon on August 31, 2011, 02:50:18 am
Originally posted by Mike Singh

Case Closed  ;D