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Title: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 01, 2018, 07:18:52 pm
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/03/it-is-official-and-it-is-over.html

The crappy mainstream media pushed flashy headlines about nuclear missiles without fully explaining What Else Putin Revealed - a long range hypersonic missile that can wipe out ships.  No time for AEGIS or fancy shoot down stuff.

Large navies and aircraft carriers are obsolete, if true.  He also mentioned some sort of nuclear powered cruise missile with nearly unlimited range.  No one seems to know what this would be.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: petrus4 on March 02, 2018, 02:54:00 am
I wasn't aware that the ability to plant anti-tank mines, had stopped anyone from using tanks.  Not everyone has anti-tank mines, and even if they do, not everyone is using them all the time.  Against someone who isn't using those mines, a tank is still as good these days as it ever was.

I'll give you another example.  If you go to any protest or anything where the police are in riot gear with shields, then what you will effectively see them in is a phalanx formation.  It's exactly what the Spartans used at Thermopylae.  Against pure, melee, largely un-ranged targets with no cavalry or anything else unconventional, it's pretty much the best approach you can use, because it prevents you from being flanked, and allows you to favourably maximise loss exchange ratio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHxIssSROjk

This won't make ships obsolete.  It's just another element of the rock-paper-scissors dance.  They've been able to torpedo subs for a long time.  Did anti ICBM lasers make nukes obsolete?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 02, 2018, 04:23:56 am
Petrus, you and I can see clearly how the game is played and hear the tune they dance to; cars were going to make horses obsolete, then planes were going to make cars and trains obsolete, and on, and on, and on...

Just another example of Chicken Little pooping on his own feathers because the sky is falling...it isn't like the entire world is going to be bristling with hypersonic missiles or nuke powered cruise missiles; very few countries have cruise missiles because they are expensive.

 ::)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 02, 2018, 06:13:14 am
Last I looked, tanks don't sink beneath the waves if hit.  Anti-ICBM lasers (apart from UFO's) aren't here yet. And spotting such craft out in the ocean is rather different from hiding armor on land.  Sats, you know.

And anti-ship missiles will be very affordable for 3rd world nations - as with the recent Brahmos and the past Exocet.

It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...

Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.  Admiral Rickover thought they might last a few hours in all out war - and that was testimony before Congress many decades ago.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 02, 2018, 10:44:21 am
http://theduran.com/6-new-weapons-putin-revealed-state-nation-address/

More details. 
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 02, 2018, 11:05:21 am
Last I looked, tanks don't sink beneath the waves if hit.  Anti-ICBM lasers (apart from UFO's) aren't here yet.
Better think again and quit swallowing all the propaganda  8) Ever heard of Star wars? [quote}And spotting such craft out in the ocean is rather different from hiding armor on land.  Sats, you know.[/quote] Think so?  Hard to hit what you can't see or get a radar lock on

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And anti-ship missiles will be very affordable for 3rd world nations - as with the recent Brahmos and the past Exocet.
Again, you need to read the research available instead of wading thru the crap stacked out to distract everyone

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It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...
you seem to labor under the impression that no one else has any toys, just your heroes the Russians and the Chicoms

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Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.  Admiral Rickover thought they might last a few hours in all out war - and that was testimony before Congress many decades ago.
Yes that was many decades ago. The admirals world and today's is 2 very different realities, comrade; you just appear to relish the thought of the US being destroyed; I have a much different view of things and do bother to stay up with developments, along with items from the past, that aren't often talked about rather than listen to the poop being spread by the doom porn machine
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: petrus4 on March 02, 2018, 02:11:50 pm
It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...

They will find a way to shoot them down.  They always do.  I'm confident that a railgun could probably do it.  Targetting would be an issue of course, but the projectile has the needed velocity from memory.  I read not long ago about the American Navy fielding an experimental laser cannon on one of its' ships, as well.  If they can figure out how to anticipate trajectory and have a beam already in place, then it won't matter how fast the missile is.

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Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.

Against who?  The Russians or Chinese, maybe.  Pretty much anyone else though, probably not.  The Taliban or whichever other tin pot Wahhabist crime syndicate aren't going to have access to these sorts of toys.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: zorgon on March 02, 2018, 04:54:46 pm
Large ships are pretty much obsolete. The NAVY is going for small fast and stealthy.  Years ago I was at Alameda Naval Base when they declassified the Stealth Hydro Foil the "Sea Shadow"  That was the prototype for radar invisible hydrofoil ships

THIS is what they are building now

(http://www.historyinorbit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/navy-start.jpg)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 02, 2018, 06:26:20 pm
Exactly!  Russia is going with smaller ships used to launch missiles at sea.

Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 02, 2018, 06:37:45 pm
You need to make up your mind  ::) thread topic is " large navies" not large ships,8thman

the recurrent theme is always praise everyone else, denigrate America  ::)

as otter pointed out, you want change, quit yapping about it and try the hands on approach
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 02, 2018, 06:49:01 pm
Yapping more likely involves miss stating other's views and failing to cite sources for one's opinions.

Good Luck with all that.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: space otter on March 02, 2018, 08:40:07 pm


ok i apologize for my sense of humor ahead of posting this but i just couldn't help it..
if it's offensive to you 8th man  please just ask for it to be removed
it isn't meant just for you but for all of us ...if you listen to the words..but reading most of your posts i was thinking of you when this song came into my head
look at how long it's been around and we're still here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtF2p1Mr3_U
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 02, 2018, 08:53:17 pm
I live in Mobile. They build the LCS-2 here. The odd thing is everybody is concerned about terrorism, yet driving I-65 west bound on the bayway, right before you get to the tunnel, there is a massive building that looks like a hangar with one of the boats in it. That picture is from the river view, the back of the building can be seen clearly from the interstate and they rarely close the door. It's really kind cool, other than anybody that wanted to cause mayhem having a direct angle at the boat and you could make an extremely fast escape, since they would already be on the interstate. There are cameras in the tunnel and I think news 5 has a traffic cam pointed in that general direction.

There is a picture of the building on this page.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austal_USA#Projects
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 03, 2018, 02:14:43 pm
Monty Python is still great stuff.  And the end of the US Empire can be very positive for Americans - as Europeans experienced after their respective empires ended.  A Republic, not an Empire.....

I AM surprised that Trump supporters and conservatives aren't worried (to the point of panic) that Crazies will take over in about one year.  Gun grabbing, impeach Trump even if no evidence exists,  push for war with Russia, and maybe .......force bizarre regulations about pronouns on everyone (as with Canada).
Win Congress, go nuts....

I do wanna know what the heck a nuclear powered cruise missile is !  Very strange stuff.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: zorgon on March 03, 2018, 03:43:20 pm
Well you are all forgetting something

The size of the NAVY SPACE FLEET :P

It's really not as secret as people believe. The NAVY Code 8200 Space Engineers has an UNLIMITED BUDGET  I posted that info way back on ATS in the Naval Space Command thread and it's here too.  Just BE CAREFUL These links are DOT MIL links... Best to stay on the path and don't try the back doors.

Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR)

Public portal is here  Just be smart don't snoop around url's :P Stay in the front door
http://www.public.navy.mil/spawar/Pages/default.aspx

Naval Center for Space Technology - Code 8000

To preserve and enhance a strong space technology base and provide expert assistance in the development and acquisition of space systems for naval missions, activities of the Naval Center for Space Technology extend from basic and applied research through advanced development in all areas of Navy space program interest. These activities include developing spacecraft, systems using these spacecraft, and ground command and control stations.

The Center is a focal point and integrator for NRL divisions whose technologies are used in space systems. The Center also provides systems engineering and technical direction assistance to system acquisition managers of major space systems. In this role, technology transfer is a major goal that motivates a continuous search for new technologies and capabilities and the development of prototypes that demonstrate the integration of such technologies.

Naval Center for Space Technology, 8000
Administrative Financial Management, 8010
Logistics Support, 8012
Security, 8013
Military Deputy for Space Programs, 8020
Program Coordination & Liason Officer, 8030
Space Systems Development, 8100
Mission Development, 8110
Advanced Systems Technology, 8120
Command, Control, Communications, Computers & Intelligence, 8140
Advanced Space PNT, 8150
Spacecraft Engineering, 8200
Design Test & Processing, 8210
Systems Analysis, 8220
Control Systems, 8230
Space Electronic Systems Development, 8240

https://www.nrl.navy.mil/research/directorates-divisions/space-technology/
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 03, 2018, 08:58:02 pm
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=754.msg6522#msg6522 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=754.msg6522#msg6522)

from the above thread:posted in March,2012

"According to the Office of Naval Research, railguns mounted on ships would not only provide support for land missions, but also defend against missile strikes and deter adversaries.

The Navy said earlier this month that the railguns will initially have a range of between 57 and 115 miles, but the Navy is hoping to extend the range up to around 250 miles."

"The U.S. Navy announced Tuesday that it's testing a prototype of an electromagnetic railgun that can fire a 40-pound projectile at 5,600 miles per hour, which is more than seven times the speed of sound, the Associated Press reports."

This was from 5 years ago; considering the acknowledged tech gap between what is already in use versus what we are allowed to know about, there is a very good probability that some are already in use...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10688.msg140717#msg140717 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=10688.msg140717#msg140717)

Quote from above thread:

" Even so the United States Navy announced a test done on January 31, 2008 in order to equip their ships with this type of weapons."

This is what is publicly known about; the F4J Phantom jet had a fire control system in 1970 that could track and fire upon 28 different targets at the same time (48 years ago) including over the horizon targets  8)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: ArMaP on March 04, 2018, 05:16:13 am
Large navies and large ships were the natural answer to the technological developments of the 19th century.

The appearance of the aeroplane changed things, as the big battle ships were relatively easy to destroy from the air, and so we saw the replacement of the big battle ships by the aircraft carrier.

New technologies will see new solutions, as usual, and, as usual, things don't change from one day to the other, they change gradually, even during a large scale war like WW2, as things have to be tested and money diverted to the new technology, which implies convincing the people that controls the money distribution. There are also always those that are against new technologies and that will try to keep things as they are, making the introduction of new technologies slower.

But all that is expected and natural, and has been like that since the first man that used a rock was able to win over a man that used only a stick. :)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 04, 2018, 07:38:35 am
http://www.snafu-solomon.com/2018/03/hypersonic-vehicles-from-around-world.html

India, Russia, China, the US - all developing hypersonic weapons.  The link shows comments expressing great skepticism that lasers will have any effect in fending them off.  Tracking and engagement have to be extremely fast. And hypersonics will be coated with ablatives and resistant materials by nature.

Lots of things look impressive (and expensive) but of what practical value?  MOAB bombs to impress the Taliban? Rail guns -sitting on a vulnerable platform?  50% of the F-35 fleet isn't operational.  And poorly trained, badly equipped insurgents in Afghanistan are winning a 17 year war.   

OTOH, I don't know what to make of the secret space program.  If real, does it grant any automatic dominance to the US?  Is it practical militarily?  Were flying triangles spotted above Ukraine a warning?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: zorgon on March 04, 2018, 03:47:16 pm
But all that is expected and natural, and has been like that since the first man that used a rock was able to win over a man that used only a stick. :)

THAT is how baseball was invented :P  Man with big stick hit rock back at you :P
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: petrus4 on March 05, 2018, 06:11:04 am
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=754.msg6522#msg6522 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=754.msg6522#msg6522)

from the above thread:posted in March,2012

"According to the Office of Naval Research, railguns mounted on ships would not only provide support for land missions, but also defend against missile strikes and deter adversaries.

The Navy said earlier this month that the railguns will initially have a range of between 57 and 115 miles, but the Navy is hoping to extend the range up to around 250 miles."

Yep.  Quake 2 and 3 both had them, which I admit is the only place I know about them from; but even though we're talking about an FPS game, the two relevant characteristics of the gun were there.  An extremely fast moving projectile, capable of extreme range; but ironically a bit of a nuisance to use, because the size of the projectile is so small, relative to the size of the weapon itself.  It was very easy to miscalculate when aiming it.  It's like monofilament wire.  They were good for getting fast shots at very close range, and sniping if you knew how to sight properly.

I'm guessing you'll see railguns and plasma (http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/plasmaguns.html) initially deployed as countermeasures to projectile-based weapons; missiles and such.  Plasma is ignited, pressurised hydrogen, directed as long bolts through a magnetic bottle.  Eventually you'll see hard projectile-based weapons become largely obsolete as an entire class, and everyone will move to plasma.  This is because plasma and rail are that much faster than missiles, that anyone who tries to stay with missiles will have them shot down before they can get close to their targets.

To the extent that it exists at all, Aquarian warfare will be about extremely small craft and objects, moving at very high speeds, and with very rapidly moving weapons, which like plasma will be analogous with lightning in some way.  They will be energy based.  Conflict will be between independent groups; the Westphalian nation state is not necessarily going to completely become obsolete, but it will eventually have newer decentralised groups and forms of social organisation which will reach comparable sizes.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 05, 2018, 06:03:14 pm
The fatal flaw was identified many years ago in a Scientific American article on Reagan's Star Wars tech.

Missiles must be tracked with radar - and not just detected, tracked.  Old Soviet radar could detect modern stealth planes but not track them with precision.   In addition, with hypersonic stuff, it may come down to seconds between detection and strike.  And Russia is building stuff that shifts position in flight. And China's DF-21 may come straight down on a carrier deck , together with kinetic energy that must be diverted, otherwise.....

I think anti-missile defense is silly.  The solution is smaller, expendable craft with more missiles - and mostly or entirely unmanned.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: ArMaP on March 05, 2018, 06:31:38 pm
Missiles must be tracked with radar - and not just detected, tracked.
The most effective action would be predicting the trajectory instead of tracking it, and that's where AI enters. A system that is capable of accurately predicting a missile's trajectory and is fast enough to adjust its calculations in real time, even if the missile changes direction will be able to intercept any missile.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 05, 2018, 07:53:18 pm
The fatal flaw was identified many years ago in a Scientific American article on Reagan's Star Wars tech.
How many years ago? You do realize that tech in general is advancing at the rate of roughly a year every month...

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Missiles must be tracked with radar - and not just detected, tracked.  Old Soviet radar could detect modern stealth planes but not track them with precision.   In addition, with hypersonic stuff, it may come down to seconds between detection and strike.  And Russia is building stuff that shifts position in flight. And China's DF-21 may come straight down on a carrier deck , together with kinetic energy that must be diverted, otherwise.....
you seem to not consider that we have had the ability to track hypersonic objects(14,000-20,000mph) for a very long time...

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I think anti-missile defense is silly.  The solution is smaller, expendable craft with more missiles - and mostly or entirely unmanned.
Do you have any sources of information besides what you read or see in a video? Jump on FB and run all this by John Lear  8) I am sure he would enjoy answering all your questions
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: ArMaP on March 06, 2018, 01:47:05 am
How many years ago? You do realize that tech in general is advancing at the rate of roughly a year every
Do you have any proof of that?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 06, 2018, 02:19:11 am
Do you have any proof of that?
Only what my sources share with me,ArMaP; but I will see if I can provide some verifiable examples  8) 8)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 06, 2018, 06:14:05 am
https://www.livescience.com/61920-nuclear-russia-torpedo-cruise-missile-why.html

Surface skimming to avoid radar.  Extreme speeds and course changes to defeat tracking.  Use some minimal logic here - knocking down missiles will always be more difficult than hitting a target with them.

This arms race will be done in the context of permanent trillion dollar deficits (now projected) in the US - and with both China and Japan reducing holding of US debt.  Did the US bankrupt the Soviet Union?  Is turnabout fair play?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 06, 2018, 04:12:41 pm
Pay attention to what has already been deployed years ago, such as the Phalanx system, which have been operational for a long time. It has proven repeatedly to be highly effective against anything thrown at it, including Silkworm and Exocet missiles, not to mention several as you like to say 'hypersonic" interceptor missiles already well tested and battle proven in Uncle Sam's bag of tricks...

just because they are bragging about what they have newly developed does not mean that we don't have anything comparable if not significantly better

 ::)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 06, 2018, 05:33:18 pm
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-navys-aegis-missile-defense-vs-russias-supersonic-kh-18662

"pay attention Indeed !"  The Navy is already worried and doesn't want to talk about it !  This isn't subsonic Exocets anymore.  Chaff use, close surface skimming, stealth as applied to missiles , in flight course changes,  reactive radar jamming.....

Hello ?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 06, 2018, 06:27:11 pm
Evidently you are a piss poor poker player; read all the disinfo and propaganda you want, but only  an utter fool would openly show the cards they are holding or admit what they have; most systems are deployed long before they ever become public knowledge or openly talked about  ::)

As a small example, how long were the F-117 Nighthawks operational before they saw combat? Over 10 years... Did you read or hear anything, even a slight hint of their existence before the Gulf War? 
Nope.

 ::)
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 06, 2018, 08:51:52 pm
Nobody is going to fire on a U.S. Naval vessel.

Oh, you sunk a battleship? Guess we'll relentlessly bomb your country into an oblivion for the next well.... until we get bored. We have weapons we WANT to test in battle. It's what we do. And America does it well.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 07, 2018, 06:09:54 am
Wow ! I'm overwhelmed by the links and facts you cite. Really astounding.  Clearly, you know what you're talking about.

Duh.    Trillion dollar deficits are now projected for the US without end.  Did the Soviet Union go bankrupt this way? The F-35 is emerging as possibly the greatest disarmament program in history.  Who needs a shooting war when Russia can produce better weapons with a tenth of the budget?
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 07, 2018, 11:53:53 am
American history nor finance seems to be your cup of tea either. If you need a link to prove America is a super power you may want to brush up on your geopolitical history as well. Except for the movie red dawn, which you seem to think is a documentary, no one has ever invaded mainland America. No one is going to fire a subsonic missile at a US naval vessel. If they do, I will personally apologize to you. The fact (Google it) is that nuclear weapons have collected dust in silos and submarines for decades. No one has dropped a nuclear weapon in war since WWII. Common sense does not require links. America is the greatest country this planet has ever seen. I genuinely feel sorry for you and am very empathetic towards your plight in life. I hope our friendship can somehow lift your spirits and help you be happy one day, as we need to be a group focused more on the bigger picture, rather than trivial things like debt and who has the biggest gun. I hope his helps.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 07, 2018, 05:22:18 pm
Utterly dishonest.  You don't even try to truthfully represent what I've said.

Hey, make up any nonsense you wish and accuse other people of it. 
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 07, 2018, 06:01:38 pm
I have no reason to represent anything you said. All you seem to Do is say the sky is falling. You are entitled to your opinion. But we can't just pretend Russia all of a sudden is going to start sinking ships bc they have a new toy. Sorry friend, the world doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 07, 2018, 06:32:02 pm
Another dishonest reply that misrepresents what I said. 
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 07, 2018, 06:48:40 pm
Dishonest? Please show an example.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: The Seeker on March 07, 2018, 07:09:13 pm
Stay on topic and attack the post. Topic is large navies are now obsolete. You stated why you think so, and counter points have been raised; keep it to that.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 07, 2018, 07:36:17 pm
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/03/us-navy-weighing-options-for-boosting-fleet-size-as-hostile-maritime-forces-grow.amp.html

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/jan/20/donald-trump/trump-says-navy-has-shrunk-dramatically-1991/

On politifact paragraph 11, 12, 13 speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 08, 2018, 06:25:58 am
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-navy-now-facing-its-greatest-fear-obsolete-aircraft-17240
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Eighthman on March 08, 2018, 06:29:38 am
https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-blog-about-military-matters/65448643-are-u-s-navy-surface-ships-sitting-ducks-to-enemies-with-modern-weapons
Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: No_Signal on March 08, 2018, 01:03:35 pm
Aug 3, 2016 and Sept 22, 2015 lol

Title: Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
Post by: Irene on March 08, 2018, 01:43:06 pm
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/03/it-is-official-and-it-is-over.html (http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/03/it-is-official-and-it-is-over.html)

The crappy mainstream media pushed flashy headlines about nuclear missiles without fully explaining What Else Putin Revealed - a long range hypersonic missile that can wipe out ships.  No time for AEGIS or fancy shoot down stuff.

Large navies and aircraft carriers are obsolete, if true.  He also mentioned some sort of nuclear powered cruise missile with nearly unlimited range.  No one seems to know what this would be.

Not sure about surface fleets, but I think subs are extremely important to defense strategy.

I'm biased. My first boyfriend was on a diesel, then a nuke. There was a lot he couldn't tell me, but what he could was very interesting.

Don't ask. I don't remember any of it, just that life aboard a sub is fascinating. I do remember he said it was neat to listen to the marine life, like whales.

I imagine aircraft carriers are still important, and littoral craft to patrol our coastlines.