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Endangered Earth => Geoengineering => Topic started by: Amaterasu on August 17, 2013, 09:55:16 am
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BR4nYo9CQAEHAH-.jpg:large)
Looks pretty conclusive to Me.
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Not to me. :)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/128/j5ls.jpg)
I have seen that happen in many races.
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Huh? I'm not getting Your point. Long trails of "cloud-like" stuff hanging in the air for hours and spreading out coming off some place of the vehicles that has no exhaust?
Really, ArMaP... I'm lost.
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Huh? I'm not getting Your point. Long trails of "cloud-like" stuff hanging in the air for hours and spreading out coming off some place of the vehicles that has no exhaust?
In the Formula 1 car in the photo we can also see trails of "cloud-like" stuff (it's condensation of the water in the air) that are coming of some place that has no exhaust.
It's an aerodynamic effect, the air is pushed from several places into some specific places to reduce the creation of vortices and the resulting loss of efficiency. When the air has a high level of humidity it makes that effect that, at high altitudes and lower pressures is more likely to remain for a long time.
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Hon, You can't get Me to believe that We're talking of the same thing here. The ENGINES are not creating a contrail even, and THAT much stuff (which can't be chalked up to changes in jet fuel, like Phage uses as to why NOW We see persistent "contrails") cannot be explained, especially when it persists, in the manner You are offering.
Really, ArMaP.
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Hon, You can't get Me to believe that We're talking of the same thing here.
That's OK, I'm a fan of people learning by themselves, I just like to speed up the process when I can. :)
The ENGINES are not creating a contrail even, and THAT much stuff (which can't be chalked up to changes in jet fuel, like Phage uses as to why NOW We see persistent "contrails") cannot be explained, especially when it persists, in the manner You are offering.
There's no need for jet engines, as you can see (but do not believe) with the Formula 1 car, although the most common contrails are a result of the humid and hot air coming out of the engines.
Really, ArMaP.
Yes, really, I really said that. :)
Maybe this page will help, although you will probably ignore the information presented in it because you don't believe it. :)
Aerodynamic and Rainbow Contrails (http://contrailscience.com/aerodynamic-and-rainbow-contrails/)
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Not to me. :)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img138/128/j5ls.jpg)
I have seen that happen in many races.
What ArMap was showing is in fact quite common and has nothing to do with Engines,
but as he said, it is to do with aerodynamics and atmospheric conditions involving Humidity
and Temperature.
The Rear Air foil on the F1 car is what generates this Phenomena.
Similar to these features in aircraft.
(http://images.gizmag.com/inline/minix-wing-tip-vortex-aircraft-aerodynamics-9.jpg)
This design of wingtip may increase water vapour or decrease the affect, but I am no expert.
J. Lear would be able to enlighten us on this.
(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/images/2009/02/24/winglet.jpg)
Often on take off we see this phenomena too from wing tips.
But the condensed water vapour soon disperses, because it has taken place in higher temperatures
than what is present at high altitudes. As you know Icing is a common phenomena in high altitude aircraft,
so they heat the leading edges of the aircraft to de ice.
Often Chemical Spray is invisible.
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I didn't say the phenomenon did not exist. I'm saying that is NOT what We are seeing in the OP photo. Look at the thickness, ropiness, and, for what We can see, persistence.
The water vapor theory would have shown some degree of dissipation from the point of the plane and the edge of the photo, and would NOT have that ropiness going that far from the plane.
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The water vapor theory would have shown some degree of dissipation from the point of the plane and the edge of the photo, and would NOT have that ropiness going that far from the plane.
Why? ???
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Why? ???
I have watched the behavior of water vapor for over 50 years and can tell that is NOT the way it behaves?
Whatever, dear ArMaP. You're right.
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Looks pretty conclusive to Me.
Conclusive of WHAT?
It appears you are not familiar with wing tip Vortex effects :D
(http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/0/1/3/44037_1148142310.jpg)
Any pilot of a small airplane like a Cesna that has ever crossed the path of one of those can explain it to ya providing he survives having hos wings torn off :P
(http://www.sunlakesaeroclub.org/updates_web_data/081231/Contrails_files/image004.jpg)
(http://www.dukemeteo.com/Wingtip_Vortices2_op_640x428.jpg)
Not EVERYTHING is a CHEMTRAIL...
It is this misconception that makes it hard for Chemtrailers to be taken seriously ;)
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Whatever, dear ArMaP. You're right.
He is right this time :P
Here is a dramatic effect created by all the wing surfaces (the sun is behind the plane hence the rainbow effect)
(http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/aerodynamic-rainbow-contrail-jeffwell.jpg)
These are true condensation trails not chemtarils as they are not created by the exhaust of the engines but disturbances of the air by the surfaces of the wing and tail
LOL I actually got called a troll and blocked when I pointed this out to someone on FB :P
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I'm sorry, z, but the pics YOU show, look like water vapor to Me, and You can see the dissipation in the pics, too - in MUCH shorter distances.
But Y'all are right.
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Well there is no doubt that geoengineering exists :P but a lot of what people call chemtrails is really a result of overall changes in the climate...
Doesn't really matter because those that believe everything is a chemtrail and every chemtrails is bad for you and relateted to HAARP earthquake machines won't believe ya anyway. ;)
But we do try to look more closely at the difference here ;)
This one is pretty :D
(http://www.thehighdefinite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/BMalfitano_F-22-Condensation-Rainbow.jpg)
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Now on the other side of the coin we have Exhibit NASA #A1
Lets see what ArMaP says about this one :D
(http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/images/content/708034main_ECN-4242.jpg)
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Here is the close up in case of doubt :P
And no its not chemtrails, just smoke LOL
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ECN-4242_detail.jpg)
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I will still contend that the OP pic IS of chemtrailing. It has the classic aspects that water vapor does not duplicate.
Nice pic You got there, z. Yeah... You have one too.
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just getting here and got this far
That's OK, I'm a fan of people learning by themselves, I just like to speed up the process when I can.
gold for ArMaP...luv his sense of fun
and now i'm this far
Conclusive of WHAT?
and gold for the big Z
cause that was my question too
hey this givin gold is kinda cool..
but i can only do one gold at a time
not heaps like the Z does..stupid things says i hafta wait a hour
geeeeeeeeeeeze
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not heaps like the Z does..stupid things says i hafta wait a hour
yeah I think I can remove that time limit :D
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and finally a nice gold for amy...for saying we are being geoengineering
cause we are
or maybe
groomed
or
modified
or
yeah you get it
;D
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Thank You, sky. [smile]
Yes... SOMETHING is surely afoot.
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I think they're seeding the atmosphere to protect us from the giant Cme that seems to happen every 13 thousand years are so. No more mastodons & wooly mammoths. They were taken out by the last one. ;D
Or it could be that giant quasar pulse from deep space.????
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Whatever, dear ArMaP. You're right.
Well, I was going to ask some more questions, but I guess it would be pointless.
This forum is starting to look more like Facebook, where people can only give "likes", than a forum, specially a forum for researchers. :(
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Here is the close up in case of doubt :P
And no its not chemtrails, just smoke LOL
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ECN-4242_detail.jpg)
The trails on the tip of the wings make a sharp turn, showing that it's not an aerodynamic event but it's something being affected by aerodynamics.
It also looks too blueish to be vapour, but I have been watching water vapour for only 50 years, so I may be wrong. :P
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the best way i know to prove chemtrails exist is to follow them.if a storm is created from them then it usually only takes a couple of days.joplin got checkerboards and the town north east of them got hit the next night.you could see the checkerboards in joplin the next morning when reporters are interviewing folks in joplin .funny and sad.i saw the checker boards that hit joplin.i saw them in ne texas headed toward missouri the day before.they were almost perfect squares.evenly spaced.
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well holy heck there ArMap.. if i would have known you liked it rough and nasty i wouldn't have tossed gold at your humor
maybe from now on i should just not laugh at your posts..
i think you can accomplish more without the mean nasties ..you just don't waste all that time
but if you need to be poked ..i'm sure someone will step up for you on that
here's your sign
(http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/13/55/53/83/images10.jpg)
heh heh heh :P
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Sorry, sky otter, I don't understand what you mean by that. :(
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Try and drag this Paper up ;)
Now People want a fence to sit on right ? A Cloak or Dagger so to speak ;)
Back in The Day
Daytime observations of lower thermospheric wind profiles at Woomera
Abstract
Profiles of the daytime wind in the lower thermosphere, determined by observing the release of lithium vapour from a rocket, are presented. The observed profiles are compared with predicted tidal winds. The influence of thermospheric winds on ionisation distribution is discussed in relation to simultaneously observed ionospheric parameters. An outline is given of the analysis of the data obtained from the daytime lithium scanners, particular attention being given to problems which arise in the data analysis
SOURCE:
http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/publications/scientific_record.php?record=9394
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Now if I was sinisiter I am sure it would be possible to release my farts into the airway's.
The fact is is that I am not that sinister, and relise other's may not be as bad as what is made out to be through group think...
On the same token though, people must think as to why you will not get that DSTO doc :P
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Gold for Soma.
We can look up, and observe. We can research and find.
We are waiting for an admission.
The CIA is on it..... ;)
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I wonder where I can get Mass spec reader for cheap from a hardware store BTS :D
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On the same token though, people must think as to why you will not get that DSTO doc :P
That document is available on the Internet Archive (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/9394/1/WRE-TR-1809%28W%29%20PR.pdf). :)
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oh sigh
if pimander was here he'd be pulling his hair out at this off topic
(does anyone know where he went?)
but ArMaP
my post was responding to this comment you made about this place being too nice..
This forum is starting to look more like Facebook, where people can only give "likes", than a forum, specially a forum for researchers.
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Well, I was going to ask some more questions, but I guess it would be pointless.
This forum is starting to look more like Facebook, where people can only give "likes", than a forum, specially a forum for researchers. :(
Darlin', I just didn't want to be arguing with You. [smile] It's not so important that My view be accepted by anyOne else so... I agreed with You. You can't argue with someOne who is agreeing with You.
Just sayin'.
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if pimander was here he'd be pulling his hair out at this off topic
I almost am myself, so I will answer in a message. :)
(does anyone know where he went?)
No, as far as I know he just disappeared. :(
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Darlin', I just didn't want to be arguing with You. [smile] It's not so important that My view be accepted by anyOne else so... I agreed with You. You can't argue with someOne who is agreeing with You.
Just sayin'.
OK, then it means I misunderstood your "Whatever" at the beginning of the post.
Sorry. :(
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We can look up, and observe. We can research and find.
SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND THAT SHALL BE THE WHOLE OF THE LAW
Since we are supposed to be a RESEARCH forum... we should not so easily fall into the trap of EVERYTHING IS AN EVIL CHEMTRAIL
What Sarg said is true....
They are attempting to come up with solutions to block the sun, whether CME or just the extra radiation its putting out...
Here are some facts...
Giant breach in the Earths magnetic field....
Fish getting sunburned...
Extreme temperatures and weather worldwide... its still 108F in Vegas today
Ice Age is imminent according to Vostok ice core samples... Those mastadons Sarg mentions were frozen still eating their last meal
Whether or not they can prevent it is open for debate.. but THAT is what they are trying to do. HAARP has the ability, but ONLY with the network of other similar stations around the world. to put up a planetary shield IN THEORY as it hasn't been fully tested yet. Sure the shield has military uses as a missile defense shield (not a bad thing either) Seeding the upper atmosphere and LEO with certain materials that can be activated by HAARP can create a shield
I know the chemtrail crowd will continue to say its all evil and meant to wipe out 80% of the population... but that hasn't happened yet and if they wanted that it would be far cheaper to just drop a genetically modified virus into the drinking water :P
Robomont is right...
A few months back they flew the grid pattern over Las Vegas....
It was NOT the commercial airliners because those you could see and had no contrails at all that day... (THIS is a BIG CLUE because if the regular planes made no normal contrails that day then the other ones MUST not be contrails :P )
At about 2 pm they started I counted about 6 high flying very fast planes laying out the grid. It was a typical checkerboard and was done in under an hour.
By 5 pm these trails had expanded to fill in the whole sky with a thin cloud layer.
The next day was gray and overcast and a LOT cooler (down from 110 to around 89-92) the day after we had RAIN all day heavy to light steady DRIZZLE Drizzle is NOT normal to Las Vegas... When we do get rain. (rarely) its a sudden downpour that creates flash floods and is soon over and dried up. But after that grid we had three days of overcast and rain and cooler temps....
And we are still here to talk about it :P
ArMap is right
The picture I posted is not contrails... THIS is what I mean by RESEARCH...
A simple Google image search would have given the answer :P
Look closely at the closeup. the SMOKE is coming from three nozzles on each wing. Yes it is SMOKE. This is a NASA plane doing VORTEX studies and using the same smoke that sky writers use.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ECN-4242_detail.jpg)
Not contrails, not CHEMTRAILS but smoke trails :P You could argue that 'smoke' is technically a chemical but then so is water vapor :P That is why the term Chemtrail is so wishy washy and gets treated as wacko :D
Most chemtrail supporters will look at ANY trail and say Yup Evil Chemtrails
We are supposed to be better here :P
If you cannot separate the difference, we won't be taken seriously
We are waiting for an admission.
The CIA is on it....
Well there is hope... they DID just admit Area 51 is real :P
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No, as far as I know he just disappeared. :(
No reply to emails either and we have no other way to contact him
What Pegasus needs is a PR person that can write emails and make phone calls to find out what happens to people.
If they decide to quit, fine... but we never know if someone took ill or died.
I had a bellydancer once... she was one of our top dancers real promise... One day she just vanished. About a year later we found her. She was one of those people who had gotten an ANTHRAX letter. It was rough on her and she didn't want to be seen in public much less her friends. She is fine now but just shows what can happen
Another guild member just vanished... This was in the first year of our guild in the 90's Last year I got an email from Ireland. Seems her parents had died in a car crash and she just fell off the earth. She looked for me by name and found me Is now married and living in Ireland
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i saw one of those swirlies a few months back.couldnt get a pic.now i know.also thankyou zorgon for the vindication on the checkerboard.my only worry is the nanoparticles.
i think ttbrown did some rearch into airisolized ionized particles.
i kinda agree w zorgon on the iceage thing.we may be just holding back the inevitable.those mastodons were flash froze.think of the cold front that did that.it would overwhelm cities in mere minutes.pipes breaking everywhere.cars frozen in placepower poles covered in ice crashing and shorting.doors freezing shut.roofs collapsing from snow and ice.or just my imagination.
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add to your list that they caught an arctic shark in the gulf of mexico this week
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/shark-tale-12-foot-arctic-predator-caught-warm-gulf-mexico-6C10936328
i have said for years now..what is it they don't want us to see?
good.? bad?..or otherwise..?
there is also a long thread about the dropping of colored stuff to track the wind/gulf stream
and i agree not everything secret is bad...the reasons for some of the stuff would probably scare the begeebers outta most of the public..that's if they even noticed..
perhaps all the supposed 'camps' are prep for a real posible disaster..meteor or other
i have always felt that these things have a grain of truth somewhere in the story
so maybe...just maybe nibiru is a possiblilty and the smoke in the sky is for more info to make better plans
call me pollyanna if you must but i would much rather look for a good reason than an evil one
and sorry for the disruption earlier..i ask armap to delete it..so if it dissappears you'll know why ;D
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ok that search feature is more menace than help..got choked and tossed
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
anyway i can't find the link on here to it but the name was
nasa jet stream study...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/missions/atrex-nightlight.html
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It was NOT the commercial airliners because those you could see and had no contrails at all that day... (THIS is a BIG CLUE because if the regular planes made no normal contrails that day then the other ones MUST not be contrails :P )
There are some sites that show the commercial flights, another clue would be an aeroplane that doesn't appear in the lists.
Here in Portugal we rarely see contrails.
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OK, then it means I misunderstood your "Whatever" at the beginning of the post.
Sorry. :(
Sarright. [smile]
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Sarright. [smile]
That is something that took me some seconds to try to understand what it meant, and I'm not sure that I did. :)
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They are attempting to come up with solutions to block the sun, whether CME or just the extra radiation its putting out...
Regardless of what any one of Those who are doing this think They are doing this for, there are several issues:
No One ASKED Us if We agreed to the plan
Nano-aluminum, barium, & strontium are UNnatural and are clearly causing stress in the environment and in Human health.
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That is something that took me some seconds to try to understand what it meant, and I'm not sure that I did. :)
It's a contraction of "It's alright." Were You close?
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It's a contraction of "It's alright." Were You close?
Yes, that's what I thought it was, but it took me some time.
That's one side effect of not talking in English, although I read and write it every day. :)
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oh sigh
if pimander was here he'd be pulling his hair out at this off topic
(does anyone know where he went?)
To a barber to get his hair replaced? ::)
The occasional off topic post is really not a big issue as long as its not drawn out and is usually unavoidable. Most threads wander off topic once the main point and presentation has been made. At Association of Trolls and Skeptic :p I used to read the OP then skim the thread for any more posts that dealt with the topic... After that the rest was usually not worth reading anyway
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ok that search feature is more menace than help..got choked and tossed
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
yes I would love to remove it
It not only tosses YOU but locks up the database
The way to use it is this...
1) Be on the FORUM MENU PAGE as it searches below not up from where you are
2) type in only a few words....
3) use "____"
example I was looking for my post on red rain...
Putting red rain into search brings up ALL posts that have 'red and/or 'rain'
searching for "red rain" or "red rain Zorgon" brought up the thread at the top of the list
I will add this to forum Tips
I need to change that search to a google internal search
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roofs collapsing from snow and ice.or just my imagination.
No not your imagination, aside the facts/proofs
that it happens, areas that get this very wet heavy snow...
I have concerns about the nano particles as well.
Do I think they are spraying us like ants to wipe us out?
No, although I know they can.
I imagine, as some have admitted; those being in the
black world such as Booze Allen Hamilton, and
other Aerospace companies; that they are controlling
the weather and have a few applications that are for
melting the Arctic Ice so they can finally mine that
area rich in resrouces....they use it for steering
storms, and much more.
Amy, I agree with you,
I can not imagine that any of that is good for us
to breathe, so there are consequences to us,
as well as the earths natural ecosystems,
and weather patterns.
This of course is my opinion, based on
commentary by those in Aerospace, and
research for years in technical papers,
and the progress of those with shill voices
and the alarmist calls for geoengeering.
As a result of this research on my part,
shared with others who have found technical
papers and follow the money trail, the
propaganda trail laid out by these mad
scientists who have a burning desire
to geoengineer the atmosphere....
I am no longer looking at you tube, and
pictures. Not that these thiings are irrelevant,
it is just that the conclusive proof is nary to be
found there.
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There's more and more reports of trees going into distress. One clue is when an older tree starts putting out new growth near the bottom. A number of trees here are doing that...
They have tested soil outside houses and underneath them and the difference in the particulates found was astronomical - virtually none beneath the houses, high levels from outside. Something clearly has been sprayed.
And again... No One ASKED US!
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They have tested soil outside houses and underneath them and the difference in the particulates found was astronomical - virtually none beneath the houses, high levels from outside. Something clearly has been sprayed.
Amy, this is interesting....something I have not heard of and
it does make sense. Testing, an expense most of us do not
have financial resources for....and those that do test are ridiculed
and marginilized by the naysay group.
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Yup. The naysayers'll get Ya every time. They just cannot believe that They would be sprayed like bugs.
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Was looking for this info, found it.
Few in the civil sector fully understand that geoengineering is primarily a military science and has nothing to do with either cooling the planet or lowering carbon emissions (Report, 6 February). While seemingly fantastical, weather has been weaponised. At least four countries – the US, Russia, China and Israel – possess the technology and organisation to regularly alter weather and geologic events for various military and black operations, which are tied to secondary objectives, including demographic, energy and agricultural resource management.
Indeed, warfare now includes the technological ability to induce, enhance or direct cyclonic events, earthquakes, draught and flooding, including the use of polymerised aerosol viral agents and radioactive particulates carried through global weather systems. Various themes in public debate, including global warming, have unfortunately been subsumed into much larger military and commercial objectives that have nothing to do with broad public environmental concerns. These include the gradual warming of polar regions to facilitate naval navigation and resource extraction.
Matt Andersson
Former executive adviser, aerospace & defence, Booz Allen Hamilton, Chicago
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/09/at-war-over-geoengineering
Long before The Gaurdian began the Snowden interviews,
it was publishing highly controversial comments.
Matt Andersson - Indigo Aerospace
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/01a5e67e-9f62-11e1-a455-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2cNqMzGjz
From Mr Matt Andersson.
Interestingly, the FT’s recent coverage of corporate aviation (Special Report, May 14) accurately states that Berkshire Hathaway’s NetJets, after years of financial struggle and a recent restructuring, is focused heavily in its 10-year plan on long-haul operations. In both segments, it may be that international operations is where the money is.
The last hold-out in global aviation deregulation, of course, may be cross-border co-operation, ownership and merger restrictions (notably, Chile and Brazil recently overcame them), the final lifting of which may be aviation’s holy grail.
Matt Andersson, Indigo Aerospace Chicago, IL, US