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The Living Moon => Thorfourwinds Section => Amaterasu Solar - Abundance Paradigm => Topic started by: Amaterasu on April 21, 2015, 05:25:29 pm

Title: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 21, 2015, 05:25:29 pm
How to Withdraw Consent


Begin with the premise that You were born without Your consent*, without You agreeing to the way things are being done around You.  Through experience, You learn that consenting to certain things gives better results than refusal, and You are conditioned to consent to many things without asking Yourself if it’s truly something You WANT to give consent to.

You are told, “Here is how the world works.  You must learn what We teach, You must obey the “laws,” You must find a way to add Your energy in exchange for tokens – and good luck getting lots of tokens for Your energy.”  You are told that the reason is because that is how a functioning “free” society works.  Without stepping back and asking if all that is the best way We could do things, You accept, and even defend these elements as sacrosanct.

That the idea of doing things differently is quashed, and avoided in schools, is a sign that someOne doesn’t want You to go outside that box.

And You give what is called implied consent to Them, since You’re not suggesting something different but accepting the system, struggling within that system which is designed to keep this way of doing things in place.  You do things like petition for betterment, and locally, it seems to work, but nationally petitions are quashed.  By petitioning, You consent to the system You are begging to.  You say, “I grant You the authority to act on My behalf within this system which I consent to.”

You register – root regis meaning “king” or “of the king” – to vote.  Again, You are saying with implied consent, “I accept a lower position to the top of this system, and am granted a voice in the throngs down here with Me.”

You exchange in legal tender – which is Their currency – and not lawful money, which no unEthical use of is acceptable and no tax can be placed upon.

The first step to withdrawing consent is to see what We have been consenting to for what it is.  We have the “twin towers” to psychopaths in power.  The first “tower” is a top-down controlmind (government).  Such social structures, where Some are given power over Others, draw psychopaths far more than Those to whom power over Others is not extremely attractive, said power being highly prized by the psychopaths amongst Us.

The second “tower” is accounting for the energy Each of Us adds to the “economy.”  The “economy” is in place to ensure the flow of the wealth on this planet to very few, leaving just enough at the bottom to keep the flow of Our energy to Them.  Money equals power, We all know, and that money/power draws and promotes the psychopaths in Our society.  They will choose to do absolutely anything to get and keep power over Others.  Absolutely anything.

It would seem then that withdrawing consent from promoting Our psychopaths to power over Us is the better choice We could make.

The next step in withdrawing consent is to have something better to consent to.

What would We replace the psychopath’s ladder on controlmind with?  Perhaps We should look to how societies in nature govern themselves…  In nature, societies all have autonomous Individuals that, based on seed parameters, react and respond to information Each encounters.  This is called stigmergy.  Rather than constrict Our natural stigmergy with a top-down system of psychopaths pushing Us around, We should solve problems within the three Laws of Ethics, bottom up.  The development of the interweb has given Us an avenue to that approach on a planetary scale.

And what would We do to facilitate the flow of needed and desired goods?  Accounting for Our energy began when Human energy was scarce.  Psychopaths enslaved Many to make use of Their energy.  Today, energy from the aether is available (though presently hidden in black projects and patent suppression) in vast abundance, and with robots to do any work We need done but have no One, or not enough Individuals, wanting to do the work, We could fill in with robots while not forcing Any of Us to give up something We want to do.  In turn, this would give the abundance of this planet to all of Us.

With effectively infinite energy available, accounting for Our energy becomes quite pointless.

With a stigmergic governance, solving problems and not passing “laws” which can create far more problems than they are claiming to solve, and no motive to profit, with the true freedom to create as We love to do – whether that is going fishing, dancing, studying, investigating, suggesting, organizing, traveling, singing, painting, designing, cooking, knitting, responding to emergencies, making movies, climbing mountains, diving the oceans…  With this in place, with a Betterment Ethic in place of the work “ethic,” sane ideas will emerge and not the insane ones forced upon Us.

The third step to withdrawing consent is to make proclamation.  “I withdraw My consent.”  Make it known to all Your circles.  Let Them know You consent only to better than the systems presently in place.  I suggest losing the name given to You and choose Your own.  If need be, become the Sole Authorized Service Provider for the corporation They set up (the all-cap “name”).  Service that corporation only when it is convenient.  If a warrant is issued for the corporation, do not provide the service of being a body.

Withdrawing consent is not all that must happen for Us to create better on this planet.  Enough of Us need to be aware that We CAN withdraw consent.  That there IS a better way of doing things.  To that end, I suggest You share awareness, often and avidly.  [smile]


*Some will say We contracted before birth for Out lot in life, but I suggest that that is an effort to convince Us there is no solution, and to just accept what They dish out; it is a very disempowering approach.  I am sovereign and live within three Laws only.  The three Laws of Ethics. 
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on April 22, 2015, 08:32:49 am
You register – root regis meaning “king” or “of the king” – to vote.
No, "register" comes (apparently, I don't know Latin), from a word that means "to record", "regerere".

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In nature, societies all have autonomous Individuals that, based on seed parameters, react and respond to information Each encounters.
Could you give an example of such societies?

PS: I forgot to say that, apparently, all that information is based on what happens in the US, in other countries things may be different.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: WarToad on April 22, 2015, 10:04:06 am
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You exchange in legal tender – which is Their currency – and not lawful money, which no unEthical use of is acceptable and no tax can be placed upon.

Is not "legal" tender "lawful" tender? Legal money is lawful money.  If not, I've never seen lawful money that is not legal tender.

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[/You register – root regis meaning “king” or “of the king” – to vote.  Again, You are saying with implied consent, “I accept a lower position to the top of this system, and am granted a voice in the throngs down here with Me.”

You register to be a part of the process. To have a voice.  A voice at the bottom?  OK, better than no voice.  You think everyone should be at the top? How could that possibly work?   Show me a nation of all Kings and I'll show you anarchy and total war.

Your 3 laws of ethics pertain to you only.  I'll make my own three and follow them.  That'll turn out well.

You make some very strange assumptions about human nature.  Human nature is Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, ect...  Humans have been engaged in violence against themselves since day 1.  Human nature and a state of peace is an uncommon and short lived event in the big picture of history.  Love and peace are placed on such a high pedestal because they are rare commodities, they are not human nature, but learned nature.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:13:50 pm
The first step to withdrawing consent is to see what We have been consenting to for what it is.

I think most people that have a brain know that part  8)

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The next step in withdrawing consent is to have something better to consent to.

Very true... there has to be an EXISTING option for people to opt out to.  You can opt out by going into the bush or the desert and avoid the system entirely. That is actually very easy to do however you will literally be on your own and it's a tough life. I doubt that would be an option for the vast majority of city dwellers :D   I considered that when I was young, we even built a large cabin out in the Northern Woods... no power  no road... lots of mosquitoes :P But the lake was full of fish, the forest full of game and fruits... and the water was spring fed

But when winter came... we went home :P

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We should solve problems within the three Laws of Ethics, bottom up.  The development of the interweb has given Us an avenue to that approach on a planetary scale.

The FLAW in your plan is WHO is going to set the wheels in motion?  In order to have robots, SOMEONE has to build them using the current system  and that requires money that will have to come from somewhere.  Unless you have a plan to create robots from nothing... WHO will lead the way in doing it for free?  Talking about it on the internet is fine and dandy, making people aware of a potential change is fine and dandy... but you need those FIRST LEADERS to actually start the building of the system so people can say "Hey I want in on that"

There was a commune of sorts in Australia started... They found out that to get the land so they could be free and build the farms, and support system they would need the INITIAL members to put up $300,000  each...  After that it would be self sustaining but you needed that to break free from the existing control system

It is not like there is any land left that you can just stake a claim to


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With effectively infinite energy available, accounting for Our energy becomes quite pointless.

Well so you claim  and surely there is abundant energy available in the Universe...  but it is YOUR claim that it is all locked up in Black Ops...

In my opinion they have not yet found a workable solution because if they HAD the military would be using it and not messing with trying to make gasoline from seawater. 

There has been NO workable solution to 'free energy" made in any country, by anyone, that can be verified and I don't for one second believe that EVERY country is in on the plot.

There are many countries out their if they had such technology available would use it to gain superior advantage over others  After all by your own words, that is what the Psychopaths do... seek control

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With a stigmergic governance, solving problems and not passing “laws” which can create far more problems than they are claiming to solve, and no motive to profit, with the true freedom to create as We love to do – whether that is going fishing, dancing, studying, investigating, suggesting, organizing, traveling, singing, painting, designing, cooking, knitting, responding to emergencies, making movies, climbing mountains, diving the oceans…  With this in place, with a Betterment Ethic in place of the work “ethic,” sane ideas will emerge and not the insane ones forced upon Us.

Thing is I do all those things in your list now within this system.  The vast majority of Americans lead' a pretty good life  albeit there are some issues.  As long as things 'aren't so bad' for the average person... they will not see a need to give up their comfort and go cold turkey on a new idea. 

IF this Plan was already in effect and you could opt out of the current one and move into the other  than yes many will switch. But NO ONE is stepping up to the plate to build it

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The third step to withdrawing consent is to make proclamation.  “I withdraw My consent.”  Make it known to all Your circles.  Let Them know You consent only to better than the systems presently in place.  I suggest losing the name given to You and choose Your own.

I did that already  :P  Yes I have a mortgage (by CHOICE) but all other debts have been eliminated and I do what I wish.  My new name has been Baron Zorgon for a very long time  I even get mail from government officials under King Zorgon :P

As for the mortgage  I CHOOSE to pay it for comfort and convenience. Though I do have my own mobile Tent City that we hand sewed ourselves, I am getting to old for sleeping in tents all years so I prefer to consent to a mortgage

Heating bills are gone  I use a free energy device called a Wood Stove :P My trees provide ample wood

I COULD go to the lake with a bucket for my water then filter out the crap so I can safely drink it... but I find it easier to pay someone to pipe it to my house.  When your robots are ready to deliver me CLEAN water for FREE  I will switch

I use Power but will soon put in a Solar system... but our tent city works fine on candle power and oil lamps :D  When your Free Energy system comes out of Black Ops  :P I will switch in a second...

In the meantime. I kinda like my comforts.  :P My only enemy is the Sun  forcing me to cool my house and use tons of water to keep my Oasis alive in the scorching  desert
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:26:22 pm
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Withdrawing consent is not all that must happen for Us to create better on this planet.  Enough of Us need to be aware that We CAN withdraw consent.  That there IS a better way of doing things.  To that end, I suggest You share awareness, often and avidly.  [smile]

Yes there has to be a viable option in place before you withdraw consent. Until SOMEONE steps up to the plate and CREATES it  all the awareness will do nothing... because people will wait till its been tried and tested before switching. No one will willingly walk away from what they have  to walk into the unknown blindly


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*Some will say We contracted before birth for Out lot in life, but I suggest that that is an effort to convince Us there is no solution, and to just accept what They dish out; it is a very disempowering approach.

Actually You ARE contracted from birth if you live (were born) in the USA :P

Remember that Woodrow Wilson guy who signed into power the Federal Reserve and the IRS? Both PRIVATE corporations... He did apologize  LOL

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7sr2DspCZig/maxresdefault.jpg)

Well that is not ALL he did... 

He created what is called a Birth Certificate Bond... 

In effect your birth guarantees that you will perform a certain amount of work in your lifetime and that work has value  :D  Who holds that bond?  The Federal Reserve of course

When you or I need more money, we use something as collateral and go to a bank for a loan. When a country needs more money it has to go somewhere also. But in 1913 there wasn't anywhere to go. So the US created the Federal Reserve Act. This established a private central bank (The Federal Reserve Bank) that would regulate the amount of money the US government was allowed to borrow and put in circulation. It also would expect to be repaid, like any bank, with interest.

After only 20 years things went from bad to worse. During Franklin D. Roosevelt's presidency, in 1933, the US was unable to pay its debt. The county was bankrupt. The private banks that made up the Federal Reserve demanded their money and Roosevelt responded. He had to use the only thing left of any value to pay the banks and continue doing business with them -- the citizens of our country. Us!

You don't own yourself -- the Federal Reserve does.
http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html


Your Birth Certificate Bond Is Worth Billions
Posted on November 6, 2014
Your unknown Birth Certificate Bond Is Worth Billions of USD.

http://www.debtloanpayoff.com/your-birth-certificate-bond-is-worth-billions/#.VTf1PdJViko

Your Birth Certificate Was Made Into a Bond…it’s Worth Billions!
http://www.tatoott1009.com/2014/02/01/your-birth-certificate-was-made-into-a-bondits-worth-billions/

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I am sovereign and live within three Laws only.  The three Laws of Ethics.


How is that sovereignty working out for you your Majesty? Did you make yourself a Crown yet?  I did :P


 ::)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:28:42 pm
So  anyone want to join me in MY Kingdom? :D

I plan to rebuild and make one more crack at building the DREAM

Only serious people need apply :P  It is worth BILLIONS

(http://landoflegendslv.com/07foreign/01ov/images/Events/Forest1999/Dance/Image53.jpg)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:33:54 pm
PS: I forgot to say that, apparently, all that information is based on what happens in the US, in other countries things may be different.

Yes US people tend to forget that other countries exist  :P

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims that would have no interst in TAP  There are billions of Chinese that would have no interest in TAP

So it will have to be an American thing that may spread to Europe if it is proven to work

BTW  Can I be a King in Portugal? :P  Seems Romania will sell me a Castle and leave me alone...  Wish I knew that when I was younger LOL Ines Pyr (Caldy Island) was available recently for back taxes  I missed that dang it  since that is our 'assumed historical" land   Would have been AWESOME to actually own it :D
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:43:19 pm
You exchange in legal tender – which is Their currency – and not lawful money, which no unEthical use of is acceptable and no tax can be placed upon.

Is not "legal" tender "lawful" tender? Legal money is lawful money.  If not, I've never seen lawful money that is not legal tender.

Yeah I do not understand this point that Amy makes

I work  I get Federal Reserve notes...

I sell something  I get Federal Reserve notes...

Okay so they are debt notes  IOU's whatever..

BUT I can take those Federal Reserve notes and buy REAL GOLD

So where is the issue?

To be sure I need more notes today to buy an ounce of gold than I did in 1972  but then in 1972 minimum wage was 1.72 per hour  Back then a standard 2x4 cost TWO Federal Reserve notes  So to buy one I would have to work 1.25 hours

Today minimum wage in Nevada is 8.50 Federal reserve notes  A standard 2x4 still costs 2.00 federal reserve notes   so today for that same hour of work I can buy $ 2x4's  :D 

The PROBLEM is that people are buying stuff they really don't need with Plastic Money and wasting their Federal Reserve notes to cover that plastic  at a VERY HIGH price\

IF they would stop doing that and exchange those notes for real property (land, food, gold, gems, etc) they would have no problems :D


Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 22, 2015, 12:45:46 pm
z, when awareness that We CAN withdraw consent & create better reaches the tipping point, We WILL create better.

Then People WILL "step up to the plate."  People WILL do what is in Their power to move in that direction.

So clearly, the first step is raising awareness to that point.  Ergo My efforts.  Sitting there finding fault with an immediate integration without awareness does nothing but blow smoke and discourage Some.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:48:13 pm
You make some very strange assumptions about human nature.  Human nature is Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, ect...  Humans have been engaged in violence against themselves since day 1.  Human nature and a state of peace is an uncommon and short lived event in the big picture of history.  Love and peace are placed on such a high pedestal because they are rare commodities, they are not human nature, but learned nature.

Amy has always ignored human nature :P  When humans are at peace they become lethargic and lazy... which soon allows a single psychopath to take over and mess everything up. History is full of them and History has shown many Utopian societies that became lethargic and lazy in their abundance and fell to the psychopaths because they forgot how to defend themselves

Anything free has no value in the long term.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 22, 2015, 12:48:25 pm
You exchange in legal tender – which is Their currency – and not lawful money, which no unEthical use of is acceptable and no tax can be placed upon.

Yeah I do not understand this point that Amy makes

I work  I get Federal Reserve notes...

I sell something  I get Federal Reserve notes...

Okay so they are debt notes  IOU's whatever..

BUT I can take those Federal Reserve notes and buy REAL GOLD

So where is the issue?

To be sure I need more notes today to buy an ounce of gold than I did in 1972  but then in 1972 minimum wage was 1.72 per hour  Back then a standard 2x4 cost TWO Federal Reserve notes  So to buy one I would have to work 1.25 hours

Today minimum wage in Nevada is 8.50 Federal reserve notes  A standard 2x4 still costs 2.00 federal reserve notes   so today for that same hour of work I can buy $ 2x4's  :D 

The PROBLEM is that people are buying stuff they really don't need with Plastic Money and wasting their Federal Reserve notes to cover that plastic  at a VERY HIGH price\

IF they would stop doing that and exchange those notes for real property (land, food, gold, gems, etc) they would have no problems :D

There is a difference between legal tender and lawful money.  For an explanation see:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2uGn-G5tbE8[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2uGn-G5tbE8
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 22, 2015, 12:51:03 pm
Could you give an example of such societies?

Ants, bees, wasps, herd animals, birds, etc.

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 12:55:44 pm
z, when awareness that We CAN withdraw consent & create better reaches the tipping point, We WILL create better.

You keep saying the tipping point... but don't define it.  What percentage of people will make this happen? Is that percentage Americans? or is it world wide?

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Then People WILL "step up to the plate."  People WILL do what is in Their power to move in that direction.

Well I suppose eventually someone with money and power MAY try to make a change, Many have tried in the past and failed. But in the meantime in today's society (American) you won't find many willing to leave what they have.

So this Tipping Point... is it not effected by those who DO NOT want a system like TAP?  The Chinese have the Majority of people in the world  The Muslims have at least as many counter to anything American ideas. How does this fit into your equation?

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So clearly, the first step is raising awareness to that point.  Ergo My efforts.  Sitting there finding fault with an immediate integration without awareness does nothing but blow smoke and discourage Some.

I applaude your efforts  but not everyone shares your solution :P

Any solid plan needs more than lip service and three laws.  It needs a step by step IMPLIMENTATION plan  that people can see and say  "Yeah that makes sense  Okay let's do this"

Despite your beliefs people are followers and need a solid plan to follow  and a strong leader to get the ball rolling.  This is the point I have been making
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:02:41 pm
Ants, bees, wasps, herd animals, birds, etc.

Ants bees and wasps have Queens and lowly workers that are expendable :P

Wild Herd animals need a leader, usually chosen as the strongest male that can fight the others off.  Domesticated Herd Anmimals need a Shepherd (and dogs to keep them in line)

Humans are Herd Animals :P  We have Shepherds  some are good and care about the Herd, others are bad and Fleece the Herd. We have the Dogs (Police and Military who keep us in line. That is why soldiers have Dog Tags and are called Dogs of War :P ) We have Wolves that pray on those who stray off the path and we have Rams who only want to f..k all the Sheep :P

Then we have a few Black Sheep that are the free thinkers  But I here they have a cure for that now

Non-Conformity & Creativity Now Listed As A Mental Illness By Psychiatrists
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/07/non-conformity-creativity-now-listed-as-a-mental-illness-by-psychiatrists/

Nonconformity and Freethinking Now Considered Mental Illnesses
http://themindunleashed.org/2013/11/nonconformity-and-freethinking-now.html
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 01:11:18 pm
BTW for those looking to trade in those Federal Reserve Notes for some GOLD and SILVER

I have been watching it for some time...

A while back the 'experts' said that GOLD would hit $5,000.00 an ounce and SILVER would hit $500.00

Well the 'experts' are full of CRAP :P

Gold peaked at $1895.00 and Silver at $45.00 near the end of 2011 and they have been dropping ever since. Pissed me off because I listened to the 'experts' and held on to what little I have   :P

(http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/gold_5_year_o_x_USD.png?0.04129920341074467)

(http://goldprice.org/NewCharts/gold/images/silver_5_year_o_x_USD.png?0.25661617144942284)

Today Gold is dropping
1,186.63   Down -16.27   -1.35%

and so is Silver
15.79  Down  -0.21 -1.31%

So if your looking for some metal :P Keep an eye on it

I am going to send all mine into the refinery and get it back as pure metal (they will take the refining fee out of the lot

I don't have a lot  mostly jewelry scrap and old metal found at yard sales :D  but at least its real metal :D

I think I will do a thread and or webpage on how to make some serious cash in today's world.  But I do need to practice what I preach again too
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on April 22, 2015, 02:00:24 pm
BTW  Can I be a King in Portugal?
I don't think Dom Duarte Pio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duarte_Pio,_Duke_of_Braganza) would like that. :)

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Seems Romania will sell me a Castle and leave me alone...
Although Portugal is a small country we have around 200 medieval castles (a few in a very bad shape), but I think most of them are considered national monuments and are owned by the state, but some are private properties, so, if you give them enough money I'm sure they would sell them. :)

PS: the castle closest to me is just 850 metres from where I live, but is not for sale.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: rdunk on April 22, 2015, 02:14:46 pm
ArMaP said, "PS: the castle closest to me is just 850 metres from where I live, but is not for sale".

If Z were to be interested in "that castle", I am pretty sure that he would very likely have real concern about "the neighbors/neighbor hood" there!! :))
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 02:47:01 pm
If Z were to be interested in "that castle", I am pretty sure that he would very likely have real concern about "the neighbors/neighbor hood" there!! :))

This one is for sale in Romania :P We could start a Pegasus Dominion 

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/dracula.jpg)

I think that one belonged to Dracula at one time though so there may be a few Ghosts

 The castle is now owned by the descendants of Britain’s Queen Victoria after it was restored to their control following the collapse of communism.

The family, whose surname is Habsburg, consists of three siblings all in their 70s, who lack the time and energy to carry out the renovations the castle needs. (It currently has no toilets or bathrooms.)

Mark Meyer, from New York real estate firm Herzfeld and Rubin, which is handling the sale, refused to discuss the price. The castle reportedly was offered to the Romanian government for $85 million.

“What you have to remember is that this castle is the real thing. We don’t need men going around dressed up in old-fashioned costumes; the place speaks for itself.

“At present, it makes a tidy profit, but in the right hands, it has the potential to generate far more revenue than we could ever imagine.”

See? We CAN buy our way back into the past.

85 Million is nothing. Our Theme Park was going to cost 200 million.  Granted Las Vegas would be a bteer location to turn a fast profit but I can see the potential in the original Dracula castle :D
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 22, 2015, 03:39:26 pm
If you could afford to buy it, you certainly could have it dismantled and relocated to Vegas!  ;)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 22, 2015, 05:35:23 pm
If you could afford to buy it, you certainly could have it dismantled and relocated to Vegas!  ;)

Well that is a point LOL Actually we already had that in mind

In fact the guy who moved the Hearst Castle to California has a second one in storage and we would have been elligible to get it. It is all in numbered blocks. It would have been FREE at the time Free to a proper home (the Theme park)

We also know where the London Bridge is.  They used some of the stones to build a coy in Lake Havesue  but the blocks were to heavy for the land so they cut some for a facade  The rest of the stones of the brigde are here in Nevada waiting a home  We were going to use them as the entry to the big castle

So yeah we thought of that LOL

I still have the contract for the 200 Million :D  If we can only get a team together ...
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 23, 2015, 02:51:41 am
Sketches my friend, sketches.  ;D
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 23, 2015, 11:02:39 am
No, "register" comes (apparently, I don't know Latin), from a word that means "to record", "regerere".

(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/AmaterasuSolar/Mobile%20Uploads/regis.png~original)

Not according to google translate...
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 23, 2015, 11:20:34 am
Ants bees and wasps have Queens and lowly workers that are expendable :P

Hahaha!  You have not studied stigmergy.  Turns out the ONLY function of the queen is reproduction.  ALL of the "lowly workers" are AUTONOMOUS.  They have a seed set of parameters such as "look for food" and "take care of the young" and "clean up messes" and "protect the queen" and so on.  They choose their behavior based on info that is encountered and passed.  Meet a lot of data that say there are enough looking for food in a given area, and they will shift to another function.  Meet data that say the hive is under attack and they will stop what they are doing and join the fight.

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Wild Herd animals need a leader, usually chosen as the strongest male that can fight the others off.  Domesticated Herd Anmimals need a Shepherd (and dogs to keep them in line)

Wild herds still have stigmergy.  Any leaders are selected through a stigmergic process whereby if one presents strength, others will use that info to choose their own behavior.  Domesticated animals are not allowed to function stigmergically with a forced controlmind over them.

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Humans are Herd Animals :P  We have Shepherds  some are good and care about the Herd, others are bad and Fleece the Herd. We have the Dogs (Police and Military who keep us in line. That is why soldiers have Dog Tags and are called Dogs of War :P ) We have Wolves that pray on those who stray off the path and we have Rams who only want to f..k all the Sheep :P

Our "dogs" are the force that is imposed, disrupting Our stigmergy.  It is force imposed.

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Then we have a few Black Sheep that are the free thinkers  But I here they have a cure for that now

Non-Conformity & Creativity Now Listed As A Mental Illness By Psychiatrists
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/07/non-conformity-creativity-now-listed-as-a-mental-illness-by-psychiatrists/

Nonconformity and Freethinking Now Considered Mental Illnesses
http://themindunleashed.org/2013/11/nonconformity-and-freethinking-now.html

Psychiatry is a sham and a farce...  Be that as it may, it plays into the hands of the psychopaths that control the dogs that force Humanity to conform to the wishes of the few.  The whole of controlmind is antithetical to Our natural stigmergy.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: RUSSO on April 23, 2015, 11:29:34 am
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Not according to google translate...

According to Dictionary.com:

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/register (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/register)

Google translate sometimes is not accurate. :)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 23, 2015, 12:05:07 pm
You keep saying the tipping point... but don't define it.  What percentage of people will make this happen? Is that percentage Americans? or is it world wide?

Seems 10%ish is the tipping point.  And given the web, it will happen worldwide.  But within the whole of Humanity there are subgroups.  Get 10%ish of any one group, and the whole group will tip.  Get enough subgroups to tip, and larger groups will tip.  Get enough larger groups to tip and the whole of Humanity will tip.

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Well I suppose eventually someone with money and power MAY try to make a change, Many have tried in the past and failed. But in the meantime in today's society (American) you won't find many willing to leave what they have.

1.  In the past We did not have the tech We have now.
2.  TAP does not require any to "leave what They have" but that it will remove power over Others in favor of autonomous power over Self.  Materially, and statistically, All will GAIN tremendously.

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So this Tipping Point... is it not effected by those who DO NOT want a system like TAP?  The Chinese have the Majority of people in the world  The Muslims have at least as many counter to anything American ideas. How does this fit into your equation?

Given that most don't know They will gain a huge amount materially, They may initially be opposed.  But with INFORMATION, They will most likely tip in favor.  China has a controlmind...  My ideas are NOT "American."  They are Humanitarian.  And what We see of the groups You mention are the controlminds, and the "leaders" placed in power by the psychopaths.  They do not represent the average Human in those groups.

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I applaude your efforts  but not everyone shares your solution :P

Not yet, no.  And the Ones presently with power will never share it.  But as awareness of the vast gain statistically ALL of Us will have, People will choose to support the ideas.

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Any solid plan needs more than lip service and three laws.  It needs a step by step IMPLIMENTATION plan  that people can see and say  "Yeah that makes sense  Okay let's do this"

[sigh]  Been over this.  Step 1 is making enough People aware that We CAN do this.  Step 2 will flow from that as People act to do anything They can personally to create in that direction.  As the stigmergy takes hold.

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Despite your beliefs people are followers and need a solid plan to follow  and a strong leader to get the ball rolling.  This is the point I have been making

Happy to perform as a "leader."  And I am getting the ball rolling by implementing the first step.  [smile]
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 23, 2015, 12:10:10 pm
According to Dictionary.com:

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/register (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/register)

Google translate sometimes is not accurate. :)

Fair enough, but irrespective of the origin of the word, the act of registering is validating the system.  And really is a nit being picked having nothing to do with the point, Our ability to withdraw consent.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: RUSSO on April 23, 2015, 12:31:10 pm
Fair enough,

Your welcome. :)

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And really is a nit being picked having nothing to do with the point, Our ability to withdraw consent.


Not trying derail your thread. Just found you would like to know google really is a mess sometimes.

Regarding your thread, I understand your will of change. I Used to think like you. But when I realised that the mass dont care about it, i started to find the motives. The very technology you say have potential to free, have even more potential to imprison. One thing I learned is that people will not hear you if they have to leave their position of comfort. And those are just two things.

There is more but I will withdraw myself.

R.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 23, 2015, 12:56:30 pm
While I agree it is difficult to get People to accept change, if We never did, We would still be doing it all the same as We did millennia ago.  Clearly, it IS possible.  And it does rely on a tipping point.

So I reach out, trying to share awareness, because if no One does, it DEFINITELY will not happen.  At least there is some probability of affecting change for the better if I do.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on April 23, 2015, 01:28:27 pm
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Not according to google translate...
Google Translate is not the best choice, even for translations, that's why I use at least four different sources when I do translations (I do some at work).

I don't understand why you used it, as Google Translate doesn't show the origin of the word. ???
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on April 23, 2015, 01:30:42 pm
Fair enough, but irrespective of the origin of the word, the act of registering is validating the system.
Sure is.

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And really is a nit being picked having nothing to do with the point, Our ability to withdraw consent.
It has some relation to the point, as it shows that some people do not just accept what others tell them as fact, and that can be the first step that leads them to withdraw consent. ;)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Ellirium113 on April 23, 2015, 02:55:19 pm
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What would We replace the psychopath’s ladder on controlmind with?  Perhaps We should look to how societies in nature govern themselves…  In nature, societies all have autonomous Individuals that, based on seed parameters, react and respond to information Each encounters.  This is called stigmergy.  Rather than constrict Our natural stigmergy with a top-down system of psychopaths pushing Us around, We should solve problems within the three Laws of Ethics, bottom up.  The development of the interweb has given Us an avenue to that approach on a planetary scale.

We already have an alternative to the system..it is called "The Animal kingdom" and they too have rules and leaders as well as psychopaths. To develop a new society once again bound by laws makes it no different than current society. Someone MUST ENFORCE which typically will lead to some sort of psychopath getting a position of power once again. You can withdraw your consent to be governed but you can not withdraw your consent to live on someone else's land as there would be no place on earth you could go to live that is not claimed.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 23, 2015, 03:11:38 pm
as there would be no place on earth you could go to live that is not claimed.

Note quite true :P  Back when I was a kid Canada gave away land for FREE so long as you built something on it and homesteaded it.  We still own that cottage (self built 4 bedroom house really with an addition mine property we claimed by my sister building on it :P

Today Canad is opening the Yukon  Free Crown Land

Canada’s last homesteaders: How determined pioneers turn the Yukon’s wild Crown land into successful farms

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-last-homesteaders-how-determined-pioneers-turn-the-yukons-wild-crown-land-into-successful-farms
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 23, 2015, 03:20:59 pm
This one is smaller than ours but the same land deal  Nice miles of empty forests withe deer and free fish

(http://sydenhamvillage.com/images/classified_ads/43-1.jpg)

We do pay some taxes because we opted in to have a road and power lines put in  :D A dirt road is a little easier than going three miles over the lake from the highway access marina

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Ellirium113 on April 23, 2015, 03:47:10 pm
Note quite true :P  Back when I was a kid Canada gave away land for FREE so long as you built something on it and homesteaded it.  We still own that cottage (self built 4 bedroom house really with an addition mine property we claimed by my sister building on it :P

Today Canad is opening the Yukon  Free Crown Land

Canada’s last homesteaders: How determined pioneers turn the Yukon’s wild Crown land into successful farms

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-last-homesteaders-how-determined-pioneers-turn-the-yukons-wild-crown-land-into-successful-farms

Heh...that's to suck you in once your there...your screwed.

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It is a years-long process, he emphasized, heartily denying you are getting “free land.”

“There’s nothing free about it at all. If you’ve got to pay $100,000 for $100,000 of assessed land, that’s not free,” he said.

He also warned off any enthusiastic rookies heading up to the Yukon with designs on a 21st-century homestead. “Your chances of doing it as Joe Blow off the street are really slim,” he said.

A lot of that land is still up in arms over land claim disputes between various first nations groups and the crown as well.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 24, 2015, 10:50:14 am
LOL well nothing is FREE :P There is always a cost in some form

We lucked out on that cottage deal...  but we had to but the materials then rent old wooden boats and haul all that material across three miles of lake.  I have a picture somewhere in an old album of one trip when the boats sank :P  We had three wooden rowboats tied together as a raft for the big timbers The filled with water but since the were wood the whole thing still floated and that old 7.5 Scott outboard got us there :D

Yeah homesteading the Yukon would be real tough for you average city slicker :P  It was though enough for us on that lake.

But seriously Canada still has a lot of vacant land  They could easily do the Homesteading again  You only have about 40 millionish peeps LOL



Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 25, 2015, 10:25:44 am
LOL well nothing is FREE :P There is always a cost in some form

We lucked out on that cottage deal...  but we had to but the materials then rent old wooden boats and haul all that material across three miles of lake.  I have a picture somewhere in an old album of one trip when the boats sank :P  We had three wooden rowboats tied together as a raft for the big timbers The filled with water but since the were wood the whole thing still floated and that old 7.5 Scott outboard got us there :D

Yeah homesteading the Yukon would be real tough for you average city slicker :P  It was though enough for us on that lake.

But seriously Canada still has a lot of vacant land  They could easily do the Homesteading again  You only have about 40 millionish peeps LOL

Nothing is free in a system that accounts for Human energy added into the system of accounting for Human energy added.  But We don't have to account for this energy.  Why account for energy when effectively infinite energy is available from the aether?
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 25, 2015, 02:09:46 pm
Why account for energy when effectively infinite energy is available from the aether?

So you keep saying...

...but WHERE is this  "available infinite energy"?

That it exists is not in question... but that we can and have harnessed it is :P

Until we have that it is all a moot point. I don't believe the Cabal have it hidden because IF they had it it they would exploit it

Simple as that  That is what they do with everything else. is it not?  You really think that if the Greedy Psychopaths had unlimited free energy they would quietly sit on it?  How likely is THAT

 8)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 26, 2015, 08:53:05 am
So you keep saying...

...but WHERE is this  "available infinite energy"?

That it exists is not in question... but that we can and have harnessed it is :P

Until we have that it is all a moot point. I don't believe the Cabal have it hidden because IF they had it it they would exploit it

Simple as that  That is what they do with everything else. is it not?  You really think that if the Greedy Psychopaths had unlimited free energy they would quietly sit on it?  How likely is THAT

 8)

And You know that They are NOT exploiting it how?  Maybe They build plants that look like they are conventional but have access to the aether energy, selling it to Us while getting it freely...

Just saying, such is a possibility.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 26, 2015, 11:45:01 am
And You know that They are NOT exploiting it how?  Maybe They build plants that look like they are conventional but have access to the aether energy, selling it to Us while getting it freely...

Because such a scheme as you are suggesting would require hundreds of people involved at all levels. You can not hide such activity because umpteen dozens of engineers would be needed to do the building, and conversion.  You are getting desperate now :P

And you forget one thing...  Hydro Electric power from a dam IS FREE ENERGY...  so they are already getting it free and selling it to us

A Hydro electric dam works by GRAVITY as water flows downhill and spins a magnet in some copper wires, pulling electrons out of the aether.  You couls make 10 dams in a row on a river that has one dam.  Using the same free water 10 times and creating 10 times the power.

Its all FREE  but someone has to build the dam, someone has to build the transformers and someone has to build the grid that sends it to your house  THAT is what they are selling you

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Just saying, such is a possibility.

Possible perhaps on a small scale where it can be kept secret but you forget that the Military Industrial machine is the biggest consumer of energy...

If they had such devices as you claim WHY are bases like NELLIS and KIRTLAND building huge solar arrays and using that for power? Even then it only provides a portion of what they need? 

Why go to the expense? To keep up appearances? Well no because the general public doesn't even know they have these solar arrays. And they cost a fortune to build and maintain.  So no they do not have any large scale functional free energy device.

Sorry but that is just basic logic... and secrets rarely last more than 30 years anyway because something new comes along.

A good example is the NASA tether experiment that cause so much fuss by attracting CRITTERS  So much fuss in fact that people didn't even notice the tether and what it meant,  and they didn't notice that the NAVY had a second tether up there that was successful for two years at the same time and they were firing lasers at it in studies to beam power via lasers.  We even showed you the SELENE laser that has the power to beam energy to the moon enough to support a colony

EG is a mere footnote in Military circles. Hal Puthoff says it is a dead end  TT Brown told Hal Puthoff not to watse his time because it is a dead end.  All the main research today is focused on Plasma and Fusion (mainly HE3 fusion which is safe and efficient.

Even the Shiva Nova monster laser at LLNL is focusing all that energy on Fusion, trying to create a small controllable star. Sandi Labs has the Z Machine (the one that glows like Aristarchus Crater :P ) it too is a Fusion device

They would not waste BILLIONS of dollars seeking energy by making jet fuel from seawater, fusion reactors, high powered lasers that transmit power, alternative synthetic oil, massive solar arrays etc etc IF they had a working Free Energy device...


The Military Mind has ALWAYS exploited what it finds long before its properly tested  And even the Atom Bomb was only secret for a relatively short time. It is hard to hide energy of that immensity :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on April 27, 2015, 10:18:19 pm
Because such a scheme as you are suggesting would require hundreds of people involved at all levels. You can not hide such activity because umpteen dozens of engineers would be needed to do the building, and conversion.  You are getting desperate now :P

Like They didn't hide the Manhattan project...  Or the depth of research into electrogravitics... Or umpteen gillion other black projects We know nothing about.  Gotcha!

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And you forget one thing...  Hydro Electric power from a dam IS FREE ENERGY...  so they are already getting it free and selling it to us

BIG difference between a community project dam and a machine You can plug into anywhere and have Your free enregy flowing.

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If they had such devices as you claim WHY are bases like NELLIS and KIRTLAND building huge solar arrays and using that for power? Even then it only provides a portion of what they need? 

To hide a black project?  Possible.

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Why go to the expense? To keep up appearances? Well no because the general public doesn't even know they have these solar arrays. And they cost a fortune to build and maintain.  So no they do not have any large scale functional free energy device.

So say You.  [smile]  I'm not saying They DO.  I'm saying there is some probability that They do.  Because I know it's possible, and with money, anything possible can be done.  And why?  Because it's VERY, EXTREMELY important that We do not get free energy because that means the end of power over Us.

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Sorry but that is just basic logic... and secrets rarely last more than 30 years anyway because something new comes along.

Not really...

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The Military Mind has ALWAYS exploited what it finds long before its properly tested  And even the Atom Bomb was only secret for a relatively short time. It is hard to hide energy of that immensity :P

What's that got to do with it...?
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on April 28, 2015, 06:53:30 am
....with money, anything possible can be done.  And why?  Because it's VERY, EXTREMELY important that We do not get free energy because that means the end of power over Us.
It is certainly true that the hold of the wealthy over the few would be weakened if we had access to "free energy" but there is something else even more important regarding the secrecy.

If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?

{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2015, 05:38:25 pm
Like They didn't hide the Manhattan project...

Only a small handful of people knew what that was about...

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Or the depth of research into electrogravitics...

All the old material on that has been available for decades in public domain, yet even Linda's crew can't make it work :P Everyone looks at the Philadelphia Experiment and says AH HA!!!  but they have no idea what really happened :D

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What's that got to do with it...?

Everything... it is the key point... IF they had it THEY would use it without hesitation
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2015, 06:02:18 pm
If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?
{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}

That is a good point

If EVERYONE had access to unlimited FREE ENERGY what is to stop those that have the control today from using that energy to do evil deeds? After all they have a head start.

And free (or dirt cheap) energy will not change everything, certainly not over night. It will merely shift control to something else


But there is more  and I would support THIS reason to control 'free energy' in th eform of Tesla Towers...


It is all well and good to say "Hey Tesla had the answer free wireless towers!!!  But they are suppressing it!!!

Oldly enough those same people are dead set against microwave towers and cell towers that are polluting the airwaves and frying our brains.

Now Tesla's Towers were generators that would convert electricity to RADIO WAVES... these radio waves would have to be in the form of MICROWAVES just like our high definition signals of today for TV Radio and cell phones are.

Now despite the fact that New Agers and Free Energy nuts are trying hard to ignore real science :P the fact is that to transmit the amount of power that we would need today for an average household, never mind industrial use. would be measured in Gigawatts or higher.

Just imagine all the towers needed beaming deadly microwaves all over the world so you can tap that power for free

Nevermind the cost of building the towers and generators, never mind the cost of building the receivers and converters INITIALLY... even IF these were all free or in place... you still have the issue of gigawatts of microwaves beaming around the cities,.

And yawl thought the radiation from a smart meter was bad  LMAO

This is why Tesla Towers are never going to be built  Simple as that. You cannot magically erase the effects of transmission.

Just take a fluorescent tube near a radio or microwave tower and hold it up.  Or take it near some high voltage transmission lines

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXhZvyGtMrk

You can actually make a device that taps the electricity from power lnes LOL But that is stealling :P

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRLNNrHg2QE

So while beaming free energy around the planet using Tesla Tech  you will actually fry people in a not so slow cooker.

Funny how no one looks at the consequences :D
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on April 29, 2015, 04:23:07 am
Amy, I would genuinely like an answer to this question.  If you can't address this then I suggest you revise your position, pronto.

It is certainly true that the hold of the wealthy over the few would be weakened if we had access to "free energy" but there is something else even more important regarding the secrecy.

If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?

{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}


And if the answer is that ISIL could build and use apocalyptic weapons and destroy all infidels (anyone who is not a Sunni Muslim) then do you still want free energy available to these people?  If not what is your solution?

No easy answer to that one in my opinion.  I say "they" do not have one either.  Explains why PRC are so closely watched and why we need to be secretive ourselves if we are getting close to the holy grail.

Reality check!


ETA:  PWM is not close. :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sinny on April 29, 2015, 05:44:37 am
I've said it before and I'll say it again..
Humanity is already on the road for Nuclear War or WORSE.
We've already destroyed our eco systems beyond repair for the next few thousand years. 
This talk about secrecy to protect us from the bad guys is BS IMO.
Worlds already in the hands of the evil people.

And don't forget, we're talking scientific and technological advancement - not just any idiot can create and implement this tech.

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Reality check!

IF ISIS were handed the blue prints for free energy right this very moment, they wouldn't get very far with them.

They'd be too busy shooting at each other for possession of the documents rather than implementing the documents   ::)

It's hypocritical to even presume we have any idea who's hands this technology belongs in..
Look what happened when the Americans got the A bomb. Was it really in the right hands then?

Mind you, I think we've had this debate before and some of you turned out to be mass murders at heart  :o

Z wants top obliterate the Middle East, I don't know if his fellow RC brothers share the same sentiment..
But I don't think I'd trust them lot with free energy devices either..

So who decides who gets what?
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on April 29, 2015, 06:11:50 am
I've said it before and I'll say it again..
Humanity is already on the road for Nuclear War or WORSE.
You've been wrong before and you are almost certainly wrong now because and only BECAUSE of secrecy.  As long as the nuclear technology is kept secret or unobtainable by the keepers you hate you are safe.

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It this talk about secrecy to protect us from the bad guys is our BS IMO. Worlds already in the hands of the evil people.
It is not in the hands of people who want all none Sunni Muslims dead - luckily for you.  The fact that you are alive is all the evidence you need to know I'm right.  It stands to reason.

(http://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2014/08/17/febcc166-732e-48fa-b2bb-742d34077fd0/febcc166-732e-48fa-b2bb-742d34077fd0_16x9_600x338.jpg)
The Caliph of Islamic State, Baghdati.

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And don't forget, we're talking scientific and technological advancement - not just any idiot can create and implement this tech.
The conversation was just about a technological device we can all own and use for free energy.  That would make it usable by anyone and if they copied the technology and scaled it up could use it to make apocalyptic (much to rdunk's delight ::) ) weapons and at that point ISIL win!

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IF ISIS were handed the blue prints for free energy right this very moment, they wouldn't get very far with them.
You do not know that.  If you are wrong then I am right.  No ifs, no buts.  It is that simple.

For a start the technology (that of course does not exist, honest gavner :P) is relatively simple to set up and operate.  Think hard about this.

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Reality check!

They'd be too busy shooting at each other for possession of the documents rather than implementing the documents   ::)
You need to do some research on how organised these people are.  They have reaised billions and created a rogue statue.  They are centrally organised around a Caliph and have scientists, people operating oil fields, pilots, engineers and more.  Do not underestimate ISIL/ISIS.

You are definitely wrong on this occasion.


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It's hypocritical to even presume we have any idea who's hands this technology belongs in..
It is if you don't know. :P


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Look what happened when the Americans got the A bomb. Was it really in the right hands then?
What the trigger happy American regular military?  Of course it wasn't great to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima but they value American lives over anyone else.  That is Nationalism for you.  That does not mean releasing free energy devices capable of destroying a city should be public domain.  That is a complete straw-man argument.  You are intelligent enough to see that Sinhead.

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and some of you turned out to be mass murders at heart  :o
Some of those comments were tongue in cheek and you know I'd never advocate that.  But again it is a straw-man.  Should technology capable of wiping us out be public domain with people who wish to destroy us around?  If there are mass murderers then surely the answer is NO WAY!


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So who decides who gets what?
The ones who know or find out decide - if they can keep a secret.  If not you're all dead meat - unless you happen to be a Sunni Muslim. :P


Don't get me wrong, I am against secrecy in the main, especially by governments who are meant to serve us.  Some secrets though are keeping you guys alive.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sinny on April 29, 2015, 06:46:55 am
As long as the nuclear technology is kept secret or unobtainable by the keepers you hate you are safe.

By what logic? lol
It's the people who already have this secret that I'm scared off .

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It is not in the hands of people who want all none Sunni Muslims dead -
No, just the Goyim  ::)

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luckily for you.

Me, a useless eater? I'm about as safe Gaddafi  8)

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The fact that you are alive is all the evidence you need to know I'm right.
 

Again by what logic? I've only not been killed yet because;

1) I'm not sitting on an oil field
2) I'm not brown
3) They've not got round to us ..yet.

First they came ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

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It stands to reason.

If you could explain that reasoning..


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The conversation was just about a technological device we can all own and use for free energy.


Sorry misread the thread...  But my sentiment remains the same although I'd need to re-construct my comments to re-convey it.

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You do not know that.  If you are wrong then I am right.  No ifs, no buts.  It is that simple.

In this universe Pi, nothings ever that simple.
And that's very shaky logic your using where I highlighted orange.

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For a start the technology (that of course does not exist, honest gavner :P) is relatively simple to set up and operate.
So all the greats have said..

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You need to do some research on how organised these people are.


The West weaponised Islam, no one else.
We should be looking closer to home for their skills of organisation.
I revert you back to the international powers that currently control the world.

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They have raised billions and created a rogue statue.

Where exactly have these billions come from  ???

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They are centrally organised around a Caliph and have scientists, people operating oil fields, pilots, engineers and more.
Do not underestimate ISIL/ISIS.

Oh I'm not.. What comes around goes around Beter predicted this very scenario precisely 29 years ago almost verbatim, why? He knew the plans which were going to implemented by TBPB - the very same PTB who are operating today.
The very same PTB that have been operating under the cloak of secrecy for the last how many centuries.

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You are definitely wrong on this occasion.

Nothings ever definite.

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It is if you don't know. :P

Don't buy it.

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What the trigger happy American regular military?  Of course it wasn't great to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima but they value American lives over anyone else. 

Their track record disagrees with your there.

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That is Nationalism for you.


Internationalism, I might debate...

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That does not mean releasing free energy devices capable of destroying a city should be public domain.
 

I'm not as interested in the public domain as much as I am the 'secret' one.
Before we decide on who it should be available to, we need to decide who NOT to make it available to..
What's the progress on that criteria? 


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You are intelligent enough to see that Sinhead.


Intelligent enough to not just take peoples words for things

"You will understand it all once you realise this unobtainable secret that we will not disclose, but trust us WE KNOW".
LOL.
Ye okay, that reasoning got us here in the first place.

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Some of those comments were tongue in cheek
 

Rather psychopathic really..
Then again Jung did say the whole of western civ is in a state of induced psychopathy.

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Should technology capable of wiping us out be public domain with people who wish to destroy us around?

All the evidence thus far suggests that it is the people that want to destroy us who already have the knowledge..
Ergo.. what exactly??   

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Some secrets though are keeping you guys alive.

There are some things more important that 'just being alive' Pi.

These people are 'alive' .... but are they truly alive?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=starving+people&biw=1680&bih=933&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=aOBAVb63LpTwaMT4gKAB&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

'I'd rather die on my feet that live on my knee's' 

This system and state of existence that you appear to be protecting... Is worse than death.
(Well for those of us who are familiar with compassion anyway)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 10:52:20 am
not just any idiot can create and implement this tech.

Not true...

While it is currently difficult to get your hands on weapons grade Plutonium or Uranium, the freedom of information allows :just any old idiot" to build an A Bomb :P  It may not be functional without the fuel  but considering how much uranium and plutonium has vanished into the black market  and how much is just lying around at Fukushima and other ancient nuclear plants...

John Aristotle Phillips the A Bomb Kid

Phillips was born in August 1955 to Greek immigrant parents and raised in North Haven, Connecticut[1] In 1976, while attending Princeton University as a junior undergraduate, he designed a nuclear weapon using publicly available books and papers. In February 1977, several months after the story first went public, Phillips was contacted by a Pakistani official trying to purchase his bomb design, an incident addressed on the Senate floor by William Proxmire and Charles Percy. Phillips was a celebrity by this time, dubbed The A-Bomb Kid by the media, and making a series of television appearances including a featured spot on the game show To Tell The Truth.

Phillips was an underachieving student who played the tiger mascot at Princeton games. Hoping to stay at the school, he proposed a term paper for a seminar on nuclear proliferation outlining the design for an atomic bomb similar to the Nagasaki weapon. Whether the weapon as designed would have actually exploded was questioned. Dr. Frank Chilton, a California nuclear scientist who at that time specialized in nuclear explosion engineering, said Phillips’s design was “pretty much guaranteed to work.” However, Phillips' faculty advisor Freeman Dyson, a renowned physicist, and professor Harold Feiveson, who held the seminar, said Phillips' design was not functional. Nevertheless, the Federal Bureau of Investigation confiscated Phillips's term paper and a mockup he had constructed in his dormitory room. In 1979, Phillips published his story together with a co-author, David Michaelis, as Mushroom: The True Story of the A-Bomb Kid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Aristotle_Phillips

I would say the above case makes a SOLID point for Pimander's point :P


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It's hypocritical to even presume we have any idea who's hands this technology belongs in..
Look what happened when the Americans got the A bomb. Was it really in the right hands then?

Yes  because after we used it, the world realized how stupid it was to use them  And since then no one has, Had Hitler developed it in time, you would be speaking German right now :D


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Z wants top obliterate the Middle East, I don't know if his fellow RC brothers share the same sentiment.. 

No not really :P  But obliteration seems to be the only viable cure for them considering that after 2000 years of killing each other they are only getting worse and spreading their poison around the free world

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But I don't think I'd trust them lot with free energy devices either..

Perhaps so  depending what that energy is. But that just makes Pimander's point  :D Human nature CANNOT be ignored  no matter how much Amy's plan wants to.

SOMEONE will use the energy to do nasty things :P  Unlimited anything in the wrong hands is deadly  and as you just proved, there are few people that can agree on WHO should have access to it

Now then  never mind Nuking the Middle East... just give me access to the Space Laser and Particle beam weapon for a few weeks and I will do some 'surgery' in the region ala 9/11

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Weapons/trw.jpg)

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA







So who decides who gets what?
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Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: WarToad on April 29, 2015, 11:29:30 am
Free Energy + Human Nature = Weaponized Massive Energy Weapons.

It'll take only 1 military in the world to do it, then everyone else will jump on board to catch up.  It's how the military tech game has been played since the wood spear.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sinny on April 29, 2015, 11:37:03 am
Well yea, then there's that...
Nukes are fast becoming obsolete anyway.
I firmly believe the Moon and space have been thoroughly weaponised. The masses aren't aware of this, how much danger are we actually in from these weapons?
When is the 'Need to Know' ??

Oh, and going back to the thought that the negative implications of such a weapon werer only realised after it deployment is silly in all aspects.

Did it exceed it's expectations?
Were they expecting it to explode into rose petals?

Anyone with an average IQ could foresee it's negative implications.

Obviously human nature expesses it's self through many facets.... Bit we can spot the distorted apples and the distorted systems of society, why is it so difficult to envision an alternative way.. The only thing stopping us, is all those saying it can't be done.

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 12:11:25 pm
I firmly believe the Moon and space have been thoroughly weaponised.

Nukes are messy because they also effect the user. If Russia nuked the USA the fallout would likely wipe out Russia as well even if we din't nuke them back at the same time  Its a no win situuation

Slnce Weapons however are REAL and have been since Reagan started the Star Wars program. We have posted the state of the art and the history here and on the website for years and what we have shown is already in public domain and relatively easy to find if you know what to look for

Particle Beam weapon was perfected in 1972 at White Sands, The prototype was huge  but it doesn't take long to shrink it.

That one I showed above  is a TRW (now TRW's DEW program was sold to Northrop Gruman) space based laser. The diameter of the reflector is FOUR METERS

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/SBL_Space_Based_Laser_files/LAMP16m.jpg)

Here is the core...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/SBL_Space_Based_Laser_files/Alphalas.jpg)
In 1991, the Alpha laser demonstrated megawatt class power levels similar to MIRACL, but in a low pressure, space operation environment.

1991 !!!

These images were taken by a lapel cam at a DEW symposium by Jack (RIP) 

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Weapons/us_starwars_laser_07.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Weapons/us_starwars_laser_04.jpg)

Deployment schedule.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Weapons/laser01_13.jpg)

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The masses aren't aware of this, how much danger are we actually in from these weapons?

That is because the masses are inherently ignorant by choice, They really just don't want to know, The info is easy to find to any serious researcher and is all in public domain (albeit 'hidden in plain site'  ie it is not broadcast) 

The search term DEW will yield tons of info DEW (Directed energy weapons)  As to danger? Well North Korea has fired off TWO ICBM's to test  Seems both mysteriously exploded shortly after lift off

 ::)

So do people REALLY pay attention? Is it just a conspiracy theory?  Or does Zorgon know what he is talking about sometimes? :P

Well...

North Korean missile shot down
BY KILGOAR, ON APRIL 15TH, 2012
The crew of a Japanese science vessel and many other eyewitnesses have confirmed that North Korea’s “failed” missile launch was actually disrupted by anti-missile defense systems or possibly Aliens. Several described a “streak of light” preceding the break-up of the missile. Whether this was a part of an airborne anti-missile laser system or an alien beam has been disputed, but experts agree that nothing can possibly be known about what these people claim to have seen. Even if video footage surfaces, hoaxing technology has become virtually indistinguishable from reality and it would actually be proof of nothing.

Our secret insiders, pouring through confidential Pentagon computer systems, have found no trace of this military operation, but that is to be expected in a mission with such need for secrecy. One thing the hackers known as the “InFiltrators” did find of interest was the following excerpt from the Ballistic Control Contingency Update Memo.

PENTAGON MEMO 3932098A-F3
BALLISTIC CONTROL CONTINGENCY UPDATE MEMO
1. SHOULD NORTH KOREA ATTEMPT TO TEST BALLISTICS
WITH AN OPENLY ANNOUNCED MISSILE TEST
A. YAL1 IS STATIONED AT OKINAWA AND WILL DEPLOY
B. HAARP WILL GO LIVE AND PROVIDE SECONDARY SUPPORT
C. TERTIARY SUPPORT THROUGH SUBMARINE ABM SYSTEM
2. SURPRISE MISSILE LAUNG ATTEMPT FROM DPRK
A. HAARP HAS THE CAPABILITY TO MOBILIZE WITHIN
EXACTLY ONE MINUTE
B. SENSORS MUST BE PERMANENTLY IN PLACE TO DETECT
MISSILE ACTIVITY
C. SUBMARINE ABM SYSTEMS MUST ALWAYS BE PRESENT IN
SEA OF JAPAN

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When is the 'Need to Know' ??

The "Need to Know" is relative...

True the latest state of the art level is top secret but there is enough old stuff that leads up to it that it would take years to document everything that is available  and from there it is easy enough to extrapolate based on the 30-50 year gap of secrecy to public domain

You NEED TO KNOW  WHAT to ask, WHO to ask WHERE to ask  and you will get real answers

The WHAT to ask is the hard one.  You need the right search term.  For example I say the word MYSTY   Now that word alone is not very useful

But if you search for that term in the CONTEXT of "Secret Spacecraft" it opens a whole can of worms that leads to the Pentagon, the patent office, Robert Bigelow and a lot of egg on the face

It is things like this that make me KNOW that certain tech is NOT being pursued :P

I also have an advantage. Ever since tht Spook from ATS visited me, my computer has slightly different search results.

Here is an example  Search Airborne Lasers on Google and look at you results...

You will find a LOT of public information starting with Wikipedia (This is all old news :P)

Now compare YOUR first page with MY first page of search

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Search_01.png)

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 12:14:12 pm
And it isn't NASA launching them :P

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Navy_Space/20001129_spawar_accepts_satellite_a.jpg)

Look to the NAVY SPAWARS 

(http://www.public.navy.mil/spawar/Banner/bannerOverlay.png)

Public Portal
http://www.public.navy.mil/spawar/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 12:25:11 pm
The only thing stopping us, is all those saying it can't be done.

True enough but in the Good Old Days before all the free information and the internet...

Most people went about there business and the Few could get the job done without interference (yes some were for the bad :P )

But today the internet has created a true Tower of Babble

No one cares about truth  Just look at the comments on YT, FB, Twatter and other forums. Everyone has their own opinion, no one really listens to what anyone is saying and the false glamorous stories that people WANT to beleive completely bury the truth

HAARP Chemtrails, Aliens  none of those are real in the way the Tower of Babble thinks LOL  but that doesn't stop the opinions. Dare to interject truth YOU are called a shill  ( I think Thor called ME a shill earlier today :P )

Show them the official links to the truth... they never go look  If they DO go look they tell you it is government deception...


But the reality is  while TAP or a similar idea sounds good on paper... it cannot work on a global scale EVER.  Conceivably it could work on a country like the USA  In fact the REASON the USA became so powerful so quickly after WW II is BECAUSE of abundance,,,

We had the skills  we created jobs out of nothing  We made stuff of quality and everyone could afford a car TV microwave etc  In effect  the American Dream

But we lost the way again.  So yes it COULD work here  but you have over 400 million Muslims that many of will kill to stop you  They abhor freedom

You have billions of Chinese that have their own idea of how things should be done

So how do you address that?  How will any tipping point over power THEIR tipping point?  It works both ways  Tipping points are all about numbers :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: WarToad on April 29, 2015, 12:25:49 pm
LOL!  Look at the Logo on the back of his suit.  "Ball" and it's EXACTLY like this company's logo:   http://www.ball.com/

We may now can in orbit.

It is funny how a company can have one foot in home and commercial food preservation, as well as aerospace. 

I see Ball actually made a lot of Hubble's instruments, cool.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 01:22:44 pm
It is funny how a company can have one foot in home and commercial food preservation, as well as aerospace. 

That is how things are hidden in plain site  Take TRW  They are an Automotive parts company with contracts to supply government vehicles.  To find their other interests was not easy  Their DEW division was almost impossible to find

That is why I say it is important to know WHAT to search for  Do a search for TRW DEW and you get THIS

From 2002 to March 2003: US Military May Use Directed Energy Weapons in Iraq, Say Press Reports During Run-up to WarEdit event 
As the United States and its allies ready themselves for war with Iraq, numerous press reports say that the US military may use newly-developed “directed energy” weapons during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Directed energy weapons (DEW) are based on laser technology.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=trw

And THIS

US Air Force awarded a US$1.1 billion contract to Boeing, TRW and Lockheed-Martin to develop a prototype ABL system,
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-DEW-HEL-Analysis.html

and THIS

Northrop to Buy TRW for $7.8 Billion
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/business/northrop-to-buy-trw-for-7.8-billion.html


Take SUBARU for another example  We all know they make cars but how many people know that the Subaru logo is the Pleiades star system and that the name Subaru is Pleiades ?

This is from Wikipedia :P See how easy it is to get answers?

Fuji Heavy Industries, Ltd., or FHI, is a Japanese multinational corporation and conglomerate primarily involved in aerospace and ground transportation manufacturing, known for its line of Subaru automobiles. FHI's aerospace division serves as a defense contractor to the Japanese government, manufacturing Boeing and Lockheed Martin helicopters and airplanes under license along with being a global development and manufacturing partner to both companies.

So Subaru, using a Pleiades Logo (The 5 and the 1 we discussed before) 
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a2/Fuji_Heavy_Industries.svg/150px-Fuji_Heavy_Industries.svg.png
is working with Boeing and Lockheed Martin


It really is all connected :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2015, 01:27:12 pm
Directed-Energy Weapons Promise ‘Low Cost Per Kill’
September 2001
by Sandra I. Erwin


In the commercial sector, TRW Inc. has built 4-5 kilowatt solid-state lasers, for industrial machining applications. The company is a prime contractor for military chemical-laser programs, including THEL, the airborne laser and the space-based laser projects.

National Defense Magazine

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2001/September/Pages/Directed-Energy6955.aspx
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on May 01, 2015, 10:30:53 pm
Amy, I would genuinely like an answer to this question.  If you can't address this then I suggest you revise your position, pronto.

It is certainly true that the hold of the wealthy over the few would be weakened if we had access to "free energy" but there is something else even more important regarding the secrecy.

If the technology of "free energy" gives access to unlimited energy/power what other consequences would there be?

{Clue: What if ISIL had access to unlimited energy/power?}


And if the answer is that ISIL could build and use apocalyptic weapons and destroy all infidels (anyone who is not a Sunni Muslim) then do you still want free energy available to these people?  If not what is your solution?

No easy answer to that one in my opinion.  I say "they" do not have one either.  Explains why PRC are so closely watched and why we need to be secretive ourselves if we are getting close to the holy grail.

Reality check!


ETA:  PWM is not close. :P

If We all had equal access to both weapons and shielding, with the ability to respond personally to any issue We care about, I'm not seeing any problem going unsolved.

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2015, 01:39:44 pm
If We all had equal access to both weapons and shielding, with the ability to respond personally to any issue We care about, I'm not seeing any problem going unsolved.

There is no shielding for atomic bombs  Just look at Fukushima


(http://www.hdesktops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/atomic-bomb-wallpaper-4.jpg)

All that will be left of you is a SHADOW as your body vaporizes but has enough shielding for a few seconds to cast a permanent shadow


It seems that you have not thought this through  :D 
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on May 02, 2015, 01:44:37 pm
It seems that you have not thought this through  :D
Or just thought the "cool" part. :)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2015, 02:07:51 pm
Or just thought the "cool" part. :)

Yes true that :D  When I started the Medieval guild it was because we had wanted to do the cool stuff  and soon found that everyone else was too busy feuding to keep things cool.  Even in this small microcosm I deal with human nature tends to mess things up. Some people let power go to their head, some rebel at any authority and think they can just do whatever they want when ever they want and both types ruin it for everyone else

So once we started to build our small utopia... we soon found that the cool stuff requires LOTS of hard work and effort to make it happen... and if you drop your guard for just a minute... the negative elements seep in and start the destruction

You cannot make a plan for any utopia, big or small  without the logistics :D

IF Gold was just lying on the ground...

IF Money grew on trees...

I would have the best Guild on the Planet :P

Well the Gold is buried deep and requires work to dig it up, and while Money is made from trees, well you get the idea  :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2015, 02:20:24 pm
There is another good example we can use  Highway Construction

You have congested traffic in an area Roads are a mess, chaos in driving to work, anger and road rage abound... your yelling at the Gubment to DO something about it... you call them names, accuse them of hoarding the money... fix the DAMN ROADS :P

So the Utopia in this case is a Toll Free Super Highway...

Okay so FIRST comes the PLAN  Have to lay it out on paper to make sure it works  That requires looking at ALL the obstacles... figuring out ALL the logistics  BEFORE you can even start

SECOND  You cannot stop traffic while you build it so what do you do?  You have to come up with an interm plan  a TRANSITION PHASE..  You build this phase while allowing the traffic to flow albeit with a few added inconveniences.  But effectivel the traffic moves on as it did before  but there is a HINT of promise that soon it will get better.  So the Peeps go about their business grumbling still but knowing there is a solution being created

THIRD  You spend a LOT of EXTRA money on building other roads for the TRANSITION PHASE. These roads will allow you access to build the Freeway and not disrupt the traffic. These roads will magically vanish as time goes on

FORTH  You remove the barricades and let the traffic just flow into the new Paradign  the finished Freeway

The grumbling people will just follow the signs directing them to the new route... in a few days they will forget the old roads  Few will wonder where this new Freeway just popped up from  and they will go on about their business  and find something new to grumble about

:D

In this way so must a new system be built.  It has to be created BEHIND the scenes by a few willing to spend a lot of money to make it happen.  Then when the infrastructure is ready, you open the gates and herd the People into the new system.  That is the only way it will work

But you need those first few people with the desire and the available MONEY to start it rolling


Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Glaucon on May 03, 2015, 12:10:22 am
I live reading you guys engage with eachither. The absolute "broadest" and fundamental questions about human natures interconnectivity with the nature of the universe prevail. Digression is often very constructive.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Glaucon on May 03, 2015, 12:16:02 am
I find it difficult to follow these threads when everyone seems to silently acknowledge the broader inquires the topic facilitates. Simultaneously posting information based on their personal/holy virtues unique to them...avoiding the cosmic elephant in the room
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 03, 2015, 01:16:06 am
Simultaneously posting information based on their personal/holy virtues unique to them...

That is what Hu-mons do best  argue a point based on their beliefs  That is why the Internet is now the NEW "Tower of Babble"



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avoiding the cosmic elephant in the room

(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/cosmic-ganesh-svahha-devi.jpg)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Glaucon on May 03, 2015, 04:57:05 am
That is what Hu-mons do best  argue a point based on their beliefs  That is why the Internet is now the NEW "Tower of Babble"



(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/cosmic-ganesh-svahha-devi.jpg)
I think you may have literally stated humans, as a collective, most shared and frequent employment. A near total unawareness of what others really feel and if they invest integrity in their intent. It's quite eloquently simple, just let go.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 02:09:06 pm
There is no shielding for atomic bombs  Just look at Fukushima


(http://www.hdesktops.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/atomic-bomb-wallpaper-4.jpg)

All that will be left of you is a SHADOW as your body vaporizes but has enough shielding for a few seconds to cast a permanent shadow


It seems that you have not thought this through  :D

Yup.  There is no shielding available to Us average Joes.  I agree. 
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on May 03, 2015, 02:11:16 pm
You cannot make a plan for any utopia, big or small  without the logistics :D

I really wish People would stop calling the Abundance Paradigm a UTOPIA.  IT IS NOT.  It's just a hell of a lot better a way of doing things than the ways We are doing them now.

Geez.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: petrus4 on May 04, 2015, 11:29:17 am
(http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/cosmic-ganesh-svahha-devi.jpg)

Lord Ganesha is missing his mouse, here.  Depictions of him do not bring as much good luck, if they do not have his mouse. ;)

On topic:-

"Utopia," is a good example of what is known as a weasel word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word).  It is a subjective abstraction, and does not mean anything. 

As a term, "Utopia," implies perfection; but I think it is an insult to Amy's and my intelligence, to assume that either of us believe that perfection is possible or attainable.  What I at least am interested in, is radical improvement; but I have absolutely no illusions about the idea that even in a scenario where our immediate logistical needs were hypothetically met, we would not immediately look for other problems with which to occupy our time.  Once one given set of problems has been solved, a new one immediately presents itself.

Our logistical needs are an elementary problem.  As a problem, it has become boring; and at this point it only remains a problem in the first place, because our system of economics is entirely arbitrary.  We are no longer living in a scenario where currency has any real relationship with physical goods as it is.

I don't want perfection, because that would mean I'd have nothing to do.  What I do want, however, is for the basic logistical problems to be replaced by another set of problems which are not only more interesting, but which allow me to feel in solving them, as though I'm actually doing something which has more real meaning, than simply allowing me to keep breathing for another 24 hours.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 06, 2015, 07:55:48 am
Gold medal for ignoring my point.

All the evidence thus far suggests that it is the people that want to destroy us who already have the knowledge. {of deadly weapons and free enertgy}.
Ergo.. what exactly??
The point is that if they have them already and wanted you dead then you would be.  Ergo you must be wrong and the holders of the secret of free energy are actually protecting you from being destroyed by the likes of ISIL/ISIS - by keeping that knowledge out of their hands.

If you can't concede that then I say you are wilfully ignoring the obvious truth I have put before you.

So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 06, 2015, 08:02:22 am
If We all had equal access to both weapons and shielding, with the ability to respond personally to any issue We care about, I'm not seeing any problem going unsolved.
There is no known shielding possible to protect us from a weapon with limitless energy/power.

So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?


Anyone else see the problem here?
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 06, 2015, 08:07:59 am
I could not be clearer that I am members.  If you held the information required to make a device that could reveal how to destroy us all (i.e. a "free energy" device capable of supplying near unlimited energy/power) then who would you share it with?

I say you would not share it with any person alive who might release it into the public domain.  The consequences would be human annihilation.  The responsibility is that big.

What does that mean for PRC and "free energy" research?  It means that we have to look for a safe way to obtain energy.  Some secrets have to stay secret.  it is sad but it is the truth.  Sorry to disappoint you if I have but I am being as honest as I can be.  The truth sometimes hurts.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 06, 2015, 10:20:29 am
The point is that if they have them already and wanted you dead then you would be.  Ergo you must be wrong and the holders of the secret of free energy are actually protecting you from being destroyed by the likes of ISIL/ISIS - by keeping that knowledge out of their hands.

Exactly.  But "conspiracy nuts" do not see the simple logic.

They claim that these people are psychopaths.

They claim that FEMA camps, Martial Law, Chemtrails, GMO's etc etc are a plot to kill us all.

They claim all bad weather, Earthquakes , Tsunamis etc are a plot to kill us all using HAARP

They claim all news reports are "false flag to make us angry so they can round us up"

How many decades has all this been going on?  Would it not be easier to wipe us out by putting Anthrax in those Chemtrails?   One flight  problem solved :P

They speak of CONTROL  and they speak of THEM wanting us dead...  but where is the logic? How do you control that which is dead?

If there were no natural earthquakes etc  how did the mountains form long before HAARP was built?

The Military is notorious for using ANY new technology, They keep it SECRET at first to be sure but they damn well waste no time in using it.  Look at the A-bomb... secret project that they couldn't launch it fast enough.  As soon as the first one worked they rushed to drop it on someone... then develpoed the second bigger on on top of it


I hear many on the web touting Electrogravitics... They say the military is covering it up.  Yet there is not a whisper about it beyond a historical footnote that was a dead end.  You can claim its all hushed up... but that falls flat when they are openly showing you EM rail guns, DEW weapons. Plasma Cannons and Laser that can beam power to a moon base.

Yes ALL the major labs are working on it  but there has been NO major break through yet.  Searl's device, Rodin coil, magnetic motors... all over the world people are tinkering with them  There is no suppression because they DO NOT WORK
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: RUSSO on May 06, 2015, 10:36:41 am
How many decades has all this been going on?  Would it not be easier to wipe us out by putting Anthrax in those Chemtrails?   One flight  problem solved :P

Why bother spraying people if the intent is kill? Just release the plagues, as biological warfare is very effective in killing and maintain the spoils. ::)

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 06, 2015, 11:06:02 am
Why bother spraying people if the intent is kill? Just release the plagues, as biological warfare is very effective in killing and maintain the spoils. ::)

This has been my point.

IMO the "Chemtrails" are two separate issues.  I know enough about how weather and clouds are formed that YES contrails DO make persistent trails when at the right altitude and the air is at saturation point. This can be easily demonstrated in a cloud chamber and even California Windmills do the same thing. Here is an example of the windmills creating Condensation Trails as the moist fog moves in. The turbulaence creates clouds

YES there IS geoengineering, weather modification, cloud seeding, mosquitoe abatement, crop dusting, and "Global dimming" an effort to cool down the planet from the increased solar activity

The INTENT is good, whether or not the RESULTS are beneficial long term remains to be seen.  But so far no one can provide me with a death toll on how many people have been wiped out by Chemtrails :P


YES there is GMO... the INTENT is to feed the starving nations who cannot seem to get their act together and learn how to farm, so always need to beg for food for starving children

Back in the 70's the Canadian sent out teachers and brought with them a Hybrid Wheat seed that was great yield in harsh climates (Not GMO this was the old school Hybrids)

They went to India and to Biafra...

Results:  Indian farmers listened and learned the practice of Crop Rotation and modern farming with composting the remaining crop and stubble rather that stripping the land.

In a few short years India was producing so much wheat that they became an exporter. In thanks to the Canadian Government for this aid... India UNDERCUT the Canadian Wheat Market. 

The result was Canadian farmers had no market for the wheat and it was rotting in silos. Canada then bought up the wheat  bought rail cars to store it at tax payers expense and had to subsidize farmers.

So much for helping feed the world eh?

In Biafra the same teachers were told  "No! This is NOT how our forefathers taught us... we will not listen"

Today the Africans are still starving   Go figure

GMO strawberries 

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5263/5611409685_3776cc5616_b.jpg)

I eat these LOL they are awesome :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on May 06, 2015, 11:19:43 am
What does that mean for PRC and "free energy" research? 

PRC Energy died :P  There is no one left except the Mad Doctor Chris Strevens (sp?) who still posts weekly on the old yahoo group

But yeah I do agree with you. That without control there would be annihilation or chaos at best.  I know some will say I am 'programmed"  If facing up to reality means I am programmed... So be it

Now on a different note...  yesterday a guy stopped by the house. A salesman selling solar energy packages.

Now I have looked at these hard and found the initial cost to be way too high for me to get into it...

But now there are Government incentives at the Federal and State level AND Nevada Power chips in...

So I will find out Monday "the bottom line" but apparently they will install this with no upfront cash, they will even replace my old power panel to be compatible with the inverter and Nevada Poawer will install a meter that reads in reverse.

They are doing a fly over tomorrow to take photos of the roof and he will let me know.  Not sure how it all works and what the cost will be BUT

They collect the rebates etc from the Government and power company for you and apply it to the cost

They say there will be no power bill for 14 months..

So sounds to good to be true,,, but the estimate is free :D

They know how much my power bill is (currently averaged yearly at $370.00 a month)  and they promise my monthly costs will drop even with their bill

So  We shall see... Would be silly for me not to check this out :D

I have a large roof  and this year has been unusually cool  so I have barely needed the AC  and that is the one that sucks the power. If I can run the meter backwards during winter months it would be awesome to get a check :P

We are also changing light bulbs to the new LED ones  Longer life  NO heat output and the same light for pennies on the dollar. And they have come down in price now so you can get 60 watt equivalent for $7.50

Since the wife is gone... we won't have all the light on in the house :P  (She had a habit of turning them all on but never off :P )




Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on May 06, 2015, 12:07:56 pm
There is no known shielding possible to protect us from a weapon with limitless energy/power.

So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?


Anyone else see the problem here?

Yes.  Because I don't think it will create the problems You describe.  ISIS/ISIL/IS is CIA, and as such, if They wanted to arm Them with such weapons They could.  Black projects are CIA run, and I know that's where one method of energy extraction from the aether is.

It's all a psyop.  Without the power of money, few Individuals will be in a position to create much havok.  Fewer still will want to try.

So...  I see Your seeing a problem where one does not exist?  [smile]
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on May 06, 2015, 01:43:21 pm
I could not be clearer that I am members.  If you held the information required to make a device that could reveal how to destroy us all (i.e. a "free energy" device capable of supplying near unlimited energy/power) then who would you share it with?
I wouldn't share it with nobody and I would try to steer people away from finding it.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on May 06, 2015, 01:51:45 pm
Exactly.  But "conspiracy nuts" do not see the simple logic.

They claim that these people are psychopaths.

They claim that FEMA camps, Martial Law, Chemtrails, GMO's etc etc are a plot to kill us all.

They claim all bad weather, Earthquakes , Tsunamis etc are a plot to kill us all using HAARP

They claim all news reports are "false flag to make us angry so they can round us up"
I think that's their "adult" version of the "the dog ate my homework" excuse. :)

Instead of admitting that they are not capable of doing a thing about anything, they say that some mysterious person(s) or organisation(s) are responsible for all the bad things in the world.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: RUSSO on May 06, 2015, 02:05:04 pm
I wouldn't share it with nobody and I would try to steer people away from finding it.

And with the money of worldwide corruption, I would be searching for a planet that I could terraform, just in case someone figure it out. :P
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: burntheships on May 06, 2015, 03:34:58 pm


So then, I'll ask you for a straight answer.  If the knowledge of how to utilise "free energy" (that is currently kept secret) gives easy access to the power required to destroy our civilisation and kill us all, would you release the information into the public domain?

No ifs or buts.  Would you or not?


Personally, I would not.

In the movie Ironman, the plot line is that someone with the knowledge
uses it to save his own life, and creates a decive such a free enegy device.
Then it takes the turn that many with bad motives want it for themselves,
to harm others, and to gain control.

While that is just a movie, real life is much like that.
And yes, I think we have discussed this part before, but it seems
very certain that there are the issues of people who for various reasons
are bent on controlling others, either to make them believe and do
what they think is  the "right" way, or "right" beliefs, or just outright
control. It seems that eliminating money and adding "free" enegy will
not solve the heart of the matter.

I imagine that if such knowledge exists, the governments ( or whomever
holds the authority) motive/actions of suppression could be to protect civilation from self destruction.

Though, as an example thinking about A.I. it is already headed in the
same direction, with those who are on the edge of technology sounding
concerns about it as well.

Once the pandoras box is open....

Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 06, 2015, 05:42:38 pm
Yes.  Because I don't think it will create the problems You describe.  ISIS/ISIL/IS is CIA, and as such, if They wanted to arm Them with such weapons They could. 
Exactly.  They can arm them.  They have not.  Ergo, they don't want to and therefore they won't.

They won't because it only takes one small group to want us dead and we are all doomed.  Is that so difficult to understand?

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Black projects are CIA run, and I know that's where one method of energy extraction from the aether is.
But if it is public domain and may lead to the knowledge to annihilate us it will stay secret.  Are you with me yet or not?


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It's all a psyop.  Without the power of money, few Individuals will be in a position to create much havok.  Fewer still will want to try.
Listen to me.  What if there is a secret technology that gives free energy but it also gives unlimited power? 

Unlimited power/energy = unlimited power to cause death and destruction = annihilation for the human race

Therefore stays secret.  Geddit?

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So...  I see Your seeing a problem where one does not exist?  [smile]
I see you are ignoring a monumental problem which cannot be ignored except by the monumentally irresponsible.

Only the monumentally responsible will ever know a secret that monumentally important.  Otherwise we are all dead meat!  MONUMENTALLY SO!
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 06, 2015, 05:46:16 pm
I wouldn't share it with nobody and I would try to steer people away from finding it.
A sane droplet in an ocean of stupidity.  You would be one of the few who could potentially be trusted with such information.

Thank you for being alive ArMaP. :)

Some people really do not understand very simple things.  ::)


Instead of admitting that they are not capable of doing a thing about anything, they say that some mysterious person(s) or organisation(s) are responsible for all the bad things in the world.
When it is blindingly obvious that, IF those "person(s) or organisations" exist, without them we would not exist.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Amaterasu on May 07, 2015, 10:20:46 am
Exactly.  They can arm them.  They have not.  Ergo, they don't want to and therefore they won't.

They won't because it only takes one small group to want us dead and we are all doomed.  Is that so difficult to understand?
But if it is public domain and may lead to the knowledge to annihilate us it will stay secret.  Are you with me yet or not?

Listen to me.  What if there is a secret technology that gives free energy but it also gives unlimited power? 

Unlimited power/energy = unlimited power to cause death and destruction = annihilation for the human race

Therefore stays secret.  Geddit?
I see you are ignoring a monumental problem which cannot be ignored except by the monumentally irresponsible.

Only the monumentally responsible will ever know a secret that monumentally important.  Otherwise we are all dead meat!  MONUMENTALLY SO!

If One has unlimited power and all the rest do too, then what? 
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: WarToad on May 07, 2015, 10:45:51 am
If One has unlimited power and all the rest do too, then what?

You're equating unlimited energy with unlimited power(creation/destruction).  Will we all be Gods?  No.  If I were granted unlimited energy right now, I'm still a mere mortal man limited by current technology and politics.  My unlimited energy is moot.  You're out there thinking unlimited energy also give you god-like ability to do anything and everything you want at the blink of an eye.  That will never be the case.  And it shouldn't be.

Your abundance paradigm sounds like a living Hell.  No more struggles to overcome?  No more challenges to rise to? No more accomplishments because everything you want is right there?  Sucks the life out of life. Death within life.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Pimander on May 07, 2015, 01:29:24 pm
If One has unlimited power and all the rest do too, then what?
What do you mean?  If you mean what I think then the maniacs would kill the others obviously.

Only those who know about the technology can use that power.  Have you noticed you are alive?  Surely that tells you that certain information is VERY carefully controlled and the controllers have done a VERY good job.  Would that be the case if some religious fanatics hell bent on destroying our civilisation got their hands on it?  How can anyone not see my point?  Do you see my point or not?

So would you release the technology knowing that it would be like signing our collective death sentence?  If you really knew how to produce limitless power/energy I say you would not, in spite of the protestations.  Only an idiot would.   ::)


If there is a safe clean source of "free energy" then that would be different.  Some great minds have tried and failed to find one that is not dangerous.  We live in hope.  But the stakes are high with the potentially lethal other limitless energy/power sources.  The dangers are obvious to any wise person who thinks hard enough.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: RUSSO on May 07, 2015, 01:51:20 pm
If One has unlimited power and all the rest do too, then what?

Lets change your sentence a bit...

If One has nukes and all the rest do too, then what?

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Why?

The way nukes are limited today, its hard to think in a full nuclear war exchange because, in my point of view, its hard to believe that people in command would destroy their little "heaven"on earth. Afterall, there is no fun in have nobody to rule in an underground bunker while billions of skulls lies in the surface.

Now imagine all countries with nukes. I'm sure we would not be having this conversation today.

Unless the unlimited power you talk about can't be weaponized I dont think such thing is possible.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Glaucon on May 07, 2015, 03:47:48 pm

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Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Glaucon on May 07, 2015, 03:48:37 pm
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Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: petrus4 on June 06, 2015, 03:49:55 am
I say you would not share it with any person alive who might release it into the public domain.  The consequences would be human annihilation.  The responsibility is that big.

No, actually the responsibility is not that big, in practice.  In theory it is, yes; but in practice not only would you not be permitted to use it by the powers that be, but even if the general public did learn about it, they'd refuse to believe it, and then go back to staring at cat videos.

It really has nothing to do with the enormity of the idea, at all.  The vast majority are unwilling to believe anything other than what they are told, so it doesn't matter at all if the idea is released.  This is even more true with an atheistic majority, ironically, than it was under Christianity.  Academia are the priesthood; and if you defy the priesthood, you might not be burned, but you will be mercilessly ostracised and persecuted in other ways. The scientific orthodoxy see absolutely no irony between themselves and Catholicism, in maintaining a closed circle.

The government potentially has far more to worry about from subversive freaks like me who actually think for ourselves, than they do from said majority.  Then again, people like me can also very easily be assassinated.  It happens all the time; and it's made even easier by the fact that I'm not a photogenic 28 year old like Alan Schwartz was.  I'm the sort of guy who you normally find living under a bridge; which in turn means that very few people are going to care, relatively speaking, if I'm found floating in the river.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2015, 06:46:02 am
I'd care Petrus  ;D

If I see you disappear offline for more then 6 weeks, I'll start an investigation  :P

seriously tho  8)
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2015, 06:56:24 am


Only those who know about the technology can use that power.  Have you noticed you are alive?  Surely that tells you that certain information is VERY carefully controlled and the controllers have done a VERY good job. 

Yea, but some 6 Million Muslims have been killed in the last decade; In Amy and mine's (and your's) stead. I don't see your point Pi, just because we here in the 5 Echelon countries have been wrapped up in a bubble - the rest of the world hasn't.

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Would that be the case if some religious fanatics hell bent on destroying our civilisation got their hands on it?


Cough, Cough, Jew World Order!
There are already religious fanatics hell bent on destroying civilisation.

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How can anyone not see my point?  Do you see my point or not?

Not.
I feel like your trying to convince us to be grateful for the current state we are in. Well I'm not grateful.

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So would you release the technology knowing that it would be like signing our collective death sentence?  If you really knew how to produce limitless power/energy I say you would not, in spite of the protestations.  Only an idiot would.   ::)

Your going on like the Blue Prints for 'free energy' and WMD's would be posted on 'An Idiots Guide'. Which obviously wouldn't be the case.


Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: ArMaP on June 06, 2015, 07:55:46 am
No, actually the responsibility is not that big, in practice.  In theory it is, yes; but in practice not only would you not be permitted to use it by the powers that be, but even if the general public did learn about it, they'd refuse to believe it, and then go back to staring at cat videos.
The general public is never a threat for something like that, in the same way they are not a threat when we are talking about like spreading anthrax or making a home-made bomb.
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on June 06, 2015, 10:16:56 am
No, actually the responsibility is not that big, in practice.  In theory it is, yes; but in practice not only would you not be permitted to use it by the powers that be, but even if the general public did learn about it, they'd refuse to believe it, and then go back to staring at cat videos.

The general public... yes  most people are basically lazy sheep :P  The formula for making nitroglycerin is easy to find online... the fastest method is pouring Nitric acid over gum cotton :P  And not many people are trying that :P  Good thing because unless you know HOW to pour that you will blow yourself to bits.  And most people are too chicken to try

Yet the PTB says you cannot take a bottle of water onto an airplane because you MIGHT have made some :P

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It really has nothing to do with the enormity of the idea, at all.  The vast majority are unwilling to believe anything other than what they are told, so it doesn't matter at all if the idea is released.

Oh but it DOES...  It is estimated (a low estimate) that only ONE percent of Muslims are radicals out to wipe us out...  There are over 400 million 'peaceful' Muslims that may never harm a fly... but that ONE percent is FOUR MILLION radicals 


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The government potentially has far more to worry about from subversive freaks like me who actually think for ourselves, than they do from said majority.


Yes that is 100% true. I myself am not afraid of the PTB shutting me down... I would be more concerned about some radical who doesn't like the truth. Happened to John years ago  some nut job tried to run his family off the road. Made him stop for a while until he realized it wasn't the government

All it takes is ONE.... You release the information and availability of ANTHRAX and SOMEONE will use that info... and guess what SOMEONE did  and it wasn't a Muslim extremist, it was a home grown subversive freak :P

Om MacGyve TV show they showed you how easy it is to make a fertilizer bomb...  Along comes a  subversive freak and takes out a building

(http://www.episodedata.com/images/series/macgyver.jpg)

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Then again, people like me can also very easily be assassinated.  It happens all the time; and it's made even easier by the fact that I'm not a photogenic 28 year old like Alan Schwartz was.  I'm the sort of guy who you normally find living under a bridge; which in turn means that very few people are going to care, relatively speaking, if I'm found floating in the river.

You are making one assumption that just isn't true... that THEY are that good and can catch the  subversive freak BEFORE he strikes. They MISSED the Anthrax guy... (one of my dancers was a victim)  They MISSED Timothy McVeigh. They MISSED the shoe bomber... they let him on the plane... passengers caught him trying to ignite the shoe :P  The PANTY Bomber was only caught because his dad turned him in...

[youtube]Ry3NzkAOo3s[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
Title: Re: How to Withdraw Consent
Post by: zorgon on June 06, 2015, 10:25:19 am
The general public is never a threat for something like that, in the same way they are not a threat when we are talking about like spreading anthrax or making a home-made bomb.

Lasers... a relatively common thing these days...

So the crazy kids go out and get laser pointers and beam them at pilots eyes :P  Then the craxy Geeks teach you how to make those lasers into BURNING lasers because its cool :P

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj7EcDA73Bs

There will always be subversive freaks :P and the government rarely catches them BEFORE they do damage  despite all the surveillance

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyQ9TxG4-Y