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Title: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on November 13, 2012, 10:06:48 pm
I wonder if anyone knows about what the Nuclear test effects that were done at the NTS were  or have been or still are in and around Nevada and Area 51 ?

Certain Radiation as I understand it last for 100s of years before it decays...

Would this not be the case from the Nuke tests done in Nevada...

Or did they use less Radioactive materials for these tests ?

I would assume so...

Did they use a quicker decay Nuclear material ?

Other wise what would had been the full effects at the time...

Is the land still highly radioactive in certain parts...Around Area 51 for eg..?

This is part of an article that refers to the effects of radiation between 1945 and 1992..     

The strategies devised in New Mexico were transplanted to Area 51 and further refined, he says. In some ways the connection between Oppenheimer and Area 51 is even more direct: Area 51 abuts the Nevada Test Site, where, between 1945 and 1992, the government detonated 1,021 nuclear weapons, sprinkling radiation across a vast swath of the Southwest.
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on November 13, 2012, 10:32:11 pm
 Found this info one the radiation effects around Area 51 / NTS..

 
Area 13
This map shows the location of the Project 57 site in Area 13 and its relation to Area 51. Thegroom lake airbase is shown much as it appears today.The first challenge of Project 57 was to select a test site. A lengthy discussion at the firstproject meeting focused on a choice between "Papoose Lake with adjoining valleys and theGroom Lake Valley lying due north of it," both outside the Nevada Test Site.Both sites were considered equal from an operational viewpoint, but the decision wasultimately based on soil contamination levels from previous testing. Samples taken by K. H.Larson of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) indicated that "in the first inch ofcover, maximum plutonium backgrounds differed by a factor of 60."Soil in the Groom Lake area contained a maximum of 0.5-micrograms of plutonium per-square-meter versus 30-micrograms per-square-meter around Papoose Lake. After reviewingthese results, according to the minutes of the first meeting, "the choice of Groom Lake Valleywent uncontested."The Project 57 test site was added to the NTS as Area 13, an approximately 10-by-16-mileblock of land abutting the northeast boundary of the Test Site, and partially overlapping theWatertown facility. The overlap area was not considered part of Area 13. Ground Zero for theshot was only five miles northwest of Groom Lake and seven miles from the main cantonmentarea of the airbase. Personnel approaching the site from the NTS would drive over GroomPass from Yucca Flat, then head north on Valley Road for about eight miles to reach theturnoff for Ground Zero.A formerly secret AEC report dated 14 March 1957 described the new test area, stating that it,
 
"is not contaminated to a degree that would effect the experiment, and, when contaminated,will not interfere with the conduct of the PLUMBBOB nuclear tests which are scheduled tobegin in May 1957. The Armed Forces Special Weapons Project has obtained approval for theuse of the land for the test."An appendix to the report contained a letter to Brigadier General Alfred D. Starbird from Maj.Gen. Alvin R. Luedecke, USAF, Chief of the AFSWP, further explained that "entry into the
 
area has also been approved and has been coordinated with the agency which has beenusing the Range." The XW-25 warhead was flown to the airstrip at Yucca Flat, then trucked toWatertown.It was stored in Building 10 prior to being moved to Area 13 for final placement.The Project 57 shot was originally scheduled for early April, but was pushed back severaltimes. Personnel at Watertown were undoubtedly evacuated before the shot in case ofunfavorable winds that could spread plutonium over the airbase, or an unexpected nuclearyield. Evacuation must have been terribly inconvenient to flight test and training operations atWatertown. According to declassified documents, most of the delays were due to unfavorableweather conditions.Finally, on the morning of 24 April, the signal was sent to the detonator, and the warhead'shigh explosive charge destroyed the weapon. Although there had been no obvious atomicexplosion, a three-man team in protective clothing was dispatched to determine whether ornot any beta or gamma radiation hazard existed from a partial nuclear yield.There was none, but all personnel entering the area were required to wear full protective suitsand respirators to shield themselves from alpha radiation emitted by plutonium.
Plutonium hazards


 This Russian satellite image shows Area 51 and Area 13. Groom Lake is about three mileslong from north to south. Ground Zero for the Project 57 plutonium dispersal test was locatedfive miles northwest of the edge of Groom Lake.Several isotopes of plutonium (Pu) are typically found at safety experiment sites: Pu-238 (witha half-life of 89 years), Pu-239 (24,300 years), Pu-240 (6,600 years), and Pu-241 (14 years).Pu-239 is the most abundant. The decay of Pu-241 produces an americium isotope, Am-241,which emits gamma rays and has a half-life of 432 years.Radiation Safety (Rad-Safe) technicians measure gamma emissions from Am-241 with adevice called a FIDLER (Field Instrument for the Determination of Low-Energy Radiation).Am-241 activity in contaminated soil provides a reasonable indication of Pu-239/240 levels.Plutonium emits alpha particles, the weakest form of radiation. A sheet of paper is sufficientshielding against alpha radiation. Although alpha particles are highly energetic, they are not
 
capable of penetrating the dead layers of skin on the surface of the human body. If inhaled,however, even microscopic quantities will cause damage to soft tissues.Particles of plutonium that are absorbed into the bloodstream may be deposited in the lungs,liver, lymph nodes, or in the surfaces of newly formed bone. There, they can cause damageleading to cancer, chronic anemia, osteoporosis, or bone necrosis that may producespontaneous bone fractures. Such results may not manifest until 10, 20, or even 30 yearsafter deposition, depending on the size of the dose. Lung damage may become apparent inonly a few years.Project 57 contaminated over 895 acres with plutonium and americium dust and fragments.The primary hazard to personnel is from resuspension of small particles of plutonium dust inthe air. Soil samples taken in the late 1990s indicate that plutonium particles at Area 13 aremostly smaller than 40 microns across.The exact amount of plutonium expended for the test remains classified, but one pound ofplutonium involved in a fire or explosion could produce, under moderate wind conditions,hazardous contamination as far as a mile downwind.
Alpha contamination at Watertown
 
During Project 57, air samplers were set up in the contaminated area and at Watertown, andreadings were averaged for 24-hour periods for 28 days. According to The Hazards andCharacteristics of Plutonium and Uranium Contamination, published by the Atomic WeaponsTraining Group in 1962,"no consideration was made for wind changes or rain, and the averaged readings...were lowerthan is reasonable."Initial readings at radiation monitoring sites indicated no detectable fallout at Watertown.According to a declassified telex dated from the day after the shot, air samplers were"operating in all populated areas," and would be checked "after a five day seasoning periodand it [was] expected that readings [would] be minor."After all samples were studied, it was determined that there was minor alpha activity for 12days following the shot, but it was "well below operational guidelines." Nevertheless, thismeant that resuspended plutonium dust was reaching the airbase in small amounts.As described in an AEC report on Off-Site Radiological Safety Activities For Project 57, therewere two high-volume air samplers located at Watertown and fallout trays located on the roofsof the Air Weather Building, and a building behind the Maintenance Shop. Minor alpha countswere detected in the trays. Samples of rainwater were collected eleven hours after shot timewhen a brief shower passed across Area 13 and then across Watertown. The samplescontained both alpha and beta particles.Water from the Deer Camp Watering Hole east of Area 13 was also sampled, but onlycontained a small amount of alpha radiation.
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on November 13, 2012, 10:57:42 pm
(http://www.atomictourist.com/images/nts2.jpg)

NEVADA TEST SITE

Overview

President Truman established the NTS in December 1950, as the nation's on-continent nuclear weapons testing area. Prior to 1950, most tests were conducted in the Pacific. This was costly, time-consuming, and logistically difficult. The first bomb, a one kiloton warhead dropped from an airplane, was detonated on January 27, 1951. Between 1951 and 1962, 126 atmospheric tests of atomic weapons were conducted within the Test Site's boundaries.
What You'll See

Take a walk through "Doom Town", realistic sets constructed by the Atomic Energy Commission to measure effects of atomic weapons on animals and various types of buildings.
Public Tours Dates and Times

The site is only open to the public once a quarter, with the exact day picked a few months in advance. The site is closed on Friday through Sunday, so the public tours will always fall on a Monday through Thursday. To find out the day of the next tour call the Office of Public Affairs at Phone (702) 295-0944. You meet at the Department of Energy Nevada Operations Office in North Las Vegas at 7:00am, and a bus takes you there and returns you by 4:30pm. You need to call several weeks in advance and give them your full name, your date of birth, your Social Security number and your place of birth. Radiation badges are no longer necessary when visiting.


Please note:

A parent or guardian must accompany any participant under 18. The minimum age for taking the tour is 14.
A driver's license or other photo identification is required at time of badging. Foreign national must present a valid passport at time of badging.
Firearms, cameras, recorders, and binoculars are prohibited on the test site.
Casual clothing is recommended. Wear sturdy shoes. No shorts, no skirts, no sandals.
Cafeteria services are no longer available therefore, you need to provide your own lunch.

http://www.atomictourist.com/nts.htm
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on November 13, 2012, 11:03:07 pm
Migration of plutonium in groundwater at the Nevada Test Site

The Nevada Test Site (NTS) was the location of 828 underground
nuclear tests conducted by the United States between 1956 and
1992 (Fig. 1a). As a result, the NTS contains a large inventory
(.108 Ci) of radioactive material deposited in the subsurface
and thus provides a unique opportunity for studying the transport
of radionuclide contaminants.

https://seaborg.llnl.gov/docs/kersting-et-al-Pu-colloid.pdf

Subcritical Plutonium Experiments at the Nevada Test Site

In 1997 and 1998, a series of three subcritical plutonium experiments
was conducted at the Nevada Test Site (NTS). These experiments,
which are the first of their kind to be completed at NTS since the
moratorium on underground nuclear testing in 1992, have several
purposes. Foremost among these purposes is the study of plutonium
physics and the maintenance of our readiness to resume underground
nuclear testing should the need arise. These experiments were designed
and fielded by the Dynamic Experiments (DX) Division in
collaboration with the Physics Division and other Los Alamos
divisions, as well as Sandia National Laboratory and Lawrence
Livermore National Laboratory. The equation-of-state (EOS)
measurement techniques were developed in DX Division, and they
have been used by DX Division and its predecessors (GMX and M
Divisions) for the past 40 years. Many of the diagnostic and recording
techniques, especially for remote data collection, were developed by
Physics Division for underground nuclear tests and pulsed power
facilities.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/p22/subcrits.pdf
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on November 13, 2012, 11:04:46 pm
Distribution and Characterization of Plutonium in Soils from Nevada Test Site

Three surface soil samples, contaminated with plutonium by high explosive detonations of subcritical atomic devices at the Nevada Test Site (NTS), were analyzed for total plutonium content, plutonium distribution in different particle sizes, and leachability by HNO3. Total plutonium averaged about 2,640 disintegrations per minute (dpm) per gram of soil. The highest concentration of plutonium in two samples taken from the same area was in the very fine sand (125-53 µm) fraction (38 and 47%); the third sample from another test area contained the highest concentration in the coarse silt (53-20 µm) fraction (47%).

https://www.agronomy.org/publications/jeq/abstracts/4/3/JEQ0040030350?access=0&view=pdf
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on November 13, 2012, 11:07:23 pm
Plutonium

Plutonium is the heaviest primordial element by virtue of its most stable isotope, plutonium-244, whose half-life of about 80 million years is just long enough for the element to be found in trace quantities in nature. Plutonium is mostly a byproduct of nuclear fission in reactors where some of the neutrons released by the fission process convert uranium-238 nuclei into plutonium.

One utilized isotope of plutonium is plutonium-239, which has a half-life of 24,100 years. Plutonium-239 and plutonium-241 are both fissile, meaning the nuclei of their atoms can split when bombarded by thermal neutrons, releasing energy, gamma radiation and more neutrons. These neutrons can sustain a nuclear chain reaction, leading to applications in nuclear weapons and nuclear reactors.

Plutonium-238 has a half-life of 88 years and emits alpha particles. It is a heat source in radioisotope thermoelectric generators, which are used to power some spacecraft. Plutonium-240 has a high rate of spontaneous fission, raising the neutron flux of any sample it is in. The presence of plutonium-240 limits a sample's usability for weapons or reactor fuel, and determines its grade. Plutonium isotopes are expensive and inconvenient to separate, so particular isotopes are usually manufactured in specialized reactors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on February 02, 2014, 04:51:47 pm
Watched an Interesting but disturbing TV program called "Americas Darkest Secrets" that discussed about How the Nuclear Testing from the NTS in Nevada close to Area 51 was suggested to have had some very negative Radiation effects on many people within in a certain distance away back in the 1950s to 1990s.

It was said that they tested Nuclear bombs mainly underground at the NTS range..But also tested 3 huge ones Above Ground that were  3 times larger than that of what was released on Japan in WW2.

It suggested that South Western Winds could often carry a lot of the fall out radiation...

It discussed how one city in Utah  "St Georges", was badly effected  where many people died of Cancer caused from the Radiation.

It was also suggested that during the 1950s when they were making & Filming Hollywood Movies that some of the cast & extras also could had been badly effected....One Movie was starring John Wayne "The Conqueror" filmed in Snow Canyon not far from St Georges.. about Gengis Khan that involved a lot of Horses that kicked up a lot of dust during the time they filmed over several weeks/months..

It was believed  that Many Including John Wayne were later effected by Cancer  caused by Radiation fall out that had been carried in the winds and got into the Surrounding ground..ie sand , soils within the deserted area..

The Program sent a scientist to do some checks in present day to see if there were still signs of Radioactivity in the area...

The results were rather disturbing and Dangerous Radiation particles were  found....

I wonder generally what the situation really is around the South West USA..Including Las Vegas....They do get severe dust storms at times..and NO doubt this must carry a LOT of the radioactive Fallout...that if inhaled can still cause Cancer....

It was suggested that the Government were aware what could happen at the time....

I wonder just how many people have suffered from this ?

This Now does Confirm my own thoughts that I was still in the believe that it could still be a concern even since the 1950s..which I did want explaining....The Program has now done that !....



3  JOHN WAYNE CANCER, PENSMORE MANSION, JAMESTOWN
America's Dark Secrets' specialized investigators probe deeply inside hidden sectors, unearthing secrets, mysteries and bizarre conspiracy theories. Did more than 90 cast and crew from John Wayne's 1956 film, The Conqueror, contract some form of cancer from exposure to nuclear fallout while filming in Snow Canyon? Then deep within the lush hills of Ozark Mountains, Jeanette Pavini gains unprecedented access to the mysterious mega-mansion under construction known as "Pensmore". Finally, the startling discovery of a young girl's skull, unearthed at the historic site of America's first permanent settlement - Jamestown - points to evidence of unthinkable human consumption.

http://www.travelchanneltv.eu/series-info.asp?series=America%27s+Dark+Secrets+Declassified&ID=1718&episode=1#.UvACmz1_vIY
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2014, 05:05:11 pm
Having just researched about SMART Meters, I have to wonder if Nukashima is not being perpetuated, not cleaned up, so that the "elite" have a scapegoat for the cancers that are being/will be caused by the dirty EM these meters emit.

Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on February 02, 2014, 05:21:24 pm
Amy,

Depending where you refer to....which Countries...If the radiation effects of Fukushima are now so bad ...that its radiation is carried across waters to other Countries...Maybe even by air currents...Then who knows !

You may be right !...I suppose that They certainly could try to convince the public that this is a possibility if they later need to try to cover things up.

It does seem unbelievable that they can be so ruthless if its intentional..or done knowingly...
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on February 02, 2014, 05:26:52 pm
This shows how bad dust storms can get in Las Vegas !

looks as bad as 9/11 at times... :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADimc-Bf4RU




Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2014, 05:31:20 pm
Amy,

Depending where you refer to....which Countries...If the radiation effects of Fukushima are now so bad ...that its radiation is carried across waters to other Countries...Maybe even by air currents...Then who knows !

You may be right !...I suppose that They certainly could try to convince the public that this is a possibility if they later need to try to cover things up.

It does seem unbelievable that they can be so ruthless if its intentional..or done knowingly...

Since all money systems promote the most psychopathic in Human society, why should We be surprised by (or find "unbelievable") psychopathic plans by the "elite" to be carried out knowingly?
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on February 02, 2014, 06:05:04 pm
It suggested that South Western Winds could often carry a lot of the fall out radiation...

Yes they waited for the winds to blow towards Utah before firing...  Mormons were not considered nice people at one time for their polygamy policy and were persecuted...

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It discussed how one city in Utah  "St Georges", was badly effected  where many people died of Cancer caused from the Radiation.

A town in Ontario Canada has the highest birth defects. Bancroft  Ontario is what mineral collectors call God's dumping ground... the story goes that when God finished the Universe everything left over was dumped in Bancroft :D  The area is literally scattered with all kinds of rare radioactive minerals and the main industry was mining for uranium etc.  Back in the 50's there was no protection.   Even when I was collecting specimens, the area was very 'hot' and there are still awesome collecting sites for radioactives.  One mine had a spring  nice cold clear water. Saw a collector fill his canteen... I asked him if he was aware that this was a uranium mine :P  That spring has since been sealed  :D

Wanna buy some 'hot' rocks? I have some Betafites for sale :D

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It was also suggested that during the 1950s when they were making & Filming Hollywood Movies that some of the cast & extras also could had been badly effected....One Movie was starring John Wayne "The Conqueror" filmed in Snow Canyon not far from St Georges.. about Gengis Khan that involved a lot of Horses that kicked up a lot of dust during the time they filmed over several weeks/months..

During testing they also lined up soldiers in ditches at several intervals from the blast to see what effect it had at certain distances :D  Hmmmm

Well looky here... seems they released the footage

[youtube]ZWSMoE3A5DI[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSMoE3A5DI


WOW  a chemtrail in 1950's :D
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on February 02, 2014, 06:21:30 pm
This shows how bad dust storms can get in Las Vegas !

Lol  that lasted about 20 minutes  never even made it to my place

This one is in Iraq

(http://chamorrobible.org/images/photos/gpw-20061106-original-UnitedStatesMarineCorps-20050426-M-0502A-018-massive-sandstorm-Al-Asad-Iraq.jpg)

Australia

(http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/WDIbH.jpeg)

(http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/ausdust_09_23/d03_20460815.jpg)
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on February 02, 2014, 06:38:35 pm
I have to wonder if Nukashima is not being perpetuated, not cleaned up, so that the "elite" have a scapegoat for the cancers that are being/will be caused by the dirty EM these meters emit.

The 'elite' breath the same air and drink the same water and use the same soil we do. Radiation does not discriminate between us and them.

Microwave radiation goes THROUGH walls etc. The tint amount emitted from a smart meter is no more than an average cell phone... a LOT less than a standard mircrowave oven and barely a drop compared to any cell tower or TV/Radio antenna

Fukushima has NOT been 'perpetrated' other than by stupid errors in construction because they cut corners to save money and didn't have a proper system. Human stupidity and arrogance at work to be sure, but as the guy from Toronto said who was there when the EQ CRACKED Unit #1 and it's fuel rods were already half exposed in the main core BEFORE the Tsunami hit... there was NOTHING anyone could do.

Cockroaches survive radiation... maybe this is the way the human species will cull itself so only the fittest survive the fallout  Pure Darwinism at work :D

Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on February 02, 2014, 06:59:43 pm

You done a lot of research and added a fair amount of info to your Smart Meters thread Amy.

I know we discussed them before and Alex Jones was the 1st person to make me aware of them...

I am trying to avoid allowing my Electric Company from fitting them as long as possible..


Yes it does seem that way !...They seem everywhere, that the world is flooded with such people...Surely with all the info now on the internet you would think they would be held more accountable !..

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Since all money systems promote the most psychopathic in Human society, why should We be surprised by (or find "unbelievable") psychopathic plans by the "elite" to be carried out knowingly?
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: astr0144 on February 02, 2014, 07:04:22 pm
Just wondered 'Z' if you have ever known about monitoring LV after a dust storm for radioactivity levels ?

It must be really quite bad around the borders of the NTS range...That they are not letting us really know the facts...


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This shows how bad dust storms can get in Las Vegas !

Lol  that lasted about 20 minutes  never even made it to my place
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2014, 07:18:30 pm
The 'elite' breath the same air and drink the same water and use the same soil we do. Radiation does not discriminate between us and them.

Unless...  They have technology that creates discrimination.  Just sayin'.

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Cockroaches survive radiation... maybe this is the way the human species will cull itself so only the fittest survive the fallout  Pure Darwinism at work :D

And maybe that's the source for ideas in technology that discriminates.  Could be.
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: Amaterasu on February 02, 2014, 08:05:16 pm
Yes it does seem that way !...They seem everywhere, that the world is flooded with such people...Surely with all the info now on the internet you would think they would be held more accountable !..

They are not "everywhere..."  But They have what it takes to bribe (pay), coerce (blackmail), and force (armament) People to do Their bidding.  And so the toadies seem to be "everywhere" because the money/power tentacles are nearly so.
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: ShotInTheDark on June 28, 2017, 01:07:41 pm
The amount of radiation on Papoose lake being 30 micrgrams per square meter which takes either a massive cleanup to get rid of ar 100 of thousands of years. Makes it completely impossible for anything to have even been built at Papoose Lake. In the 1950 Horse and cattle were dying left and right that grazed Papoose sop imagine a human going there everyday with no radiation badge to even monitor fallout it would never happen ever.

Papoose has been off limits and has been well except when Jerry Freeman camped there one night in 1992 and took who knows how many rolls a film who then died of prostate cancer in 2001. These pics will surface some have showing nothing at Papoose and according to Jerrys diary he searched for signs of inscriptions of the lost 49ers on every section of the area where people claim S4 was located thing is there Jerry Freeman was an archaeologist and could probably tell the last time someone ever urinated on the soil...Just kidding. The evidence is right in front of everyone Project 57 Papoose lake.

One of a number of pics of Jerry right at the Alleged S4 Papoose. If S4 exists I believe its in the south east corner of Groom if it exhists.

(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/JerryFreemanPapooseLake_zpsvcwlajox.png)
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: biggles on June 28, 2017, 01:12:37 pm
That's a whole lot of worry right there.
Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: A51Watcher on June 29, 2017, 07:12:20 pm
The amount of radiation on Papoose lake being 30 micrgrams per square meter which takes either a massive cleanup to get rid of ar 100 of thousands of years. Makes it completely impossible for anything to have even been built at Papoose Lake. In the 1950 Horse and cattle were dying left and right that grazed Papoose sop imagine a human going there everyday with no radiation badge to even monitor fallout it would never happen ever.

Let me correct a few false assumptions.

NEVADA TEST SITE

Overview

President Truman established the NTS in December 1950, as the nation's on-continent nuclear weapons testing area. Prior to 1950, most tests were conducted in the Pacific. This was costly, time-consuming, and logistically difficult. The first bomb, a one kiloton warhead dropped from an airplane, was detonated on January 27, 1951. Between 1951 and 1962, 126 atmospheric tests of atomic weapons were conducted within the Test Site's boundaries.

What You'll See

Take a walk through "Doom Town", realistic sets constructed by the Atomic Energy Commission to measure effects of atomic weapons on animals and various types of buildings.

Public Tours Dates and Times

The site is only open to the public once a month, with the exact day picked a few months in advance. The site is closed on Friday through Sunday, so the public tours will always fall on a Monday through Thursday. To find out the day of the next tour call the Office of Public Affairs at (702) 295-0944. You meet at the Department of Energy offices in downtown Las Vegas at 7:00am, and a bus takes you there and returns you by 4:30pm. You need to call several weeks in advance and give them your full name, your date of birth, your Social Security number and your place of birth.

Radiation badges are no longer necessary when visiting.

http://expdvl.com/internet/TRAVEL/WWWOZ~1.NET/~CHRISP/NTS.HTM (http://expdvl.com/internet/TRAVEL/WWWOZ~1.NET/~CHRISP/NTS.HTM)

So if the test site itself with all those clearly visible craters no longer requires radiation badges, why would a lake bed 12 miles away from the crater range and protected by mountain ranges need one?

Aside from that, Bob said that all employees at S4 wore dosimeter badges. A reasonable precaution considering they worked with antimatter reactors.
 


Papoose has been off limits and has been well except when Jerry Freeman camped there one night in 1992 and took who knows how many rolls a film who then died of prostate cancer in 2001.


That's a bit misleading inferring that Jerry got prostate cancer from Papoose lake. did you know he was diagnosed with prostate cancer 10 years before he took this trip?

From Jerry's own diary -

"I have no military training. My clothing blended well with the terrain I was in, but I wore no camouflage fatigues, and no black makeup adorned my countenance. I am too old for that "Rambo" poop: 55 now and afflicted with prostate cancer (currently in remission)."

...or so he thought.


These pics will surface some have showing nothing at Papoose and according to Jerrys diary he searched for signs of inscriptions of the lost 49ers on every section of the area where people claim S4 was located thing is there Jerry Freeman was an archaeologist and could probably tell the last time someone ever urinated on the soil...Just kidding.

Well first off Jerry was an ametuer archaeologist, meaning no formal study no degree. Basically in the same league as a rock hound.

Also Jerry did not go down to the lake bed and search the perimeter for hangar doors. He looked down at Papoose lake from hilltops, a long way away from being able to see any detail. Bob himself said you would have to be within 40 yards to see the camouflage paint job on the doors.

Again from Jerry's diary -

"Saturday morning, April 26, 1997

At first light, I climbed down off my "telecommunications perch" and recovered my gear. Then proceeded to penetrate deeper and higher into "Dreamland," generally following the ridges that paralleled Nye Canyon. I never dropped into it en route, fearing detection, but my obsessive pursuit of high ground consumed precious time and energy.

But WOW! At 10:30 in the morning, I lay beneath downed cactus trees on a windswept ridge overlooking the most restricted place on Earth: Papoose Lake, the very soul of "Dreamland."

The aliens appeared to be in short supply. So were the ex-Navy Seals, who were supposed to be protecting this place. North of my position, I occasionally caught sight of the Black Hawk helicopter, chasing the tourists away from the Air Force's front door near Groom Lake.

That night as I lay awake in the darkness, high above that ancient playa, I half expected a "close encounter of the third kind," but no such luck. Hale-Bopp gleamed in the northwest, the comet's remarkable brilliance strengthened by the clear desert air. Near the mountainous side of Papoose I saw lights. Security vehicles? Hangar doors opening and closing? (He speculated on this because the lights got brighter and dimmer.)

My only purpose for being in this forbidden land is to pay homage to our past. To hold aloft that "lamplight" for those brave men and women who forged this great nation's heritage. How ironic that, 150 years after they passed, I'm desperately dodging my own country's militia, just to see the places where they labored so valiantly. These were not military people. These were not mountain men. They were just people, like you and me, dreaming of a better life for their husbands, wives and babies.

That innocuous lake bed below me was of pivotal importance to their survival. 



The evidence is right in front of everyone Project 57 Papoose lake.

Yes project 57 was to set off a dirty bomb to determine what would happen if a nuclear equipped aircraft crashed for any reason.

"The first challenge of Project 57 was to select a test site. A lengthy discussion at the first project meeting focused on a choice between "Papoose Lake with adjoining valleys and the Groom Lake Valley lying due north of it," both outside the Nevada Test Site.

Both sites were considered equal from an operational viewpoint, but the decision was ultimately based on soil contamination levels from previous testing. Samples taken by K. H. Larson of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) indicated that "in the first inch of cover, maximum plutonium backgrounds differed by a factor of 60."

Soil in the Groom Lake area contained a maximum of 0.5-micrograms of plutonium per-square-meter versus 30-micrograms per-square-meter around Papoose Lake.

After reviewing these results, according to the minutes of the first meeting, "the choice of Groom Lake Valley went uncontested."

So since Groom Lake was selected as the target for project 57 instead of Papoose lake, how have men been able to work there continuously ever since?

Even if there was a concern for constructions workers at S4, radiation suits and Geiger counters were certainly available at that time (circa 1980).

Also, all workers arrive at Groom lake before departing for S4. Then they are taken by buses with windows covered by aluminum foil. The ride is pretty short as well.

Then, after a quick departure from the bus to the facility housed inside of rock, they spent their day.

And their dosimeter badges never gave readings that were a cause for concern.



One of a number of pics of Jerry right at the Alleged S4 Papoose. If S4 exists I believe its in the south east corner of Groom if it exhists.

(http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/JerryFreemanPapooseLake_zpsvcwlajox.png)

But still not close enough to inspect the mountain perimeter line for hangar doors. His own diary indicated he never got close enough to do so.
His diary is available many places on the net for anyone to inspect for themselves.

eta: Bottom line is - Jerry did not get cancer from Papoose lake and he never got close enough to the perimeter to search for hangar doors.


And then there's this item -

"Wandering Across Papoose Dry Lake

A group of protestors associated with Greenpeace stormed the grounds near Papoose Dry Lake in an effort to protest nuclear weapons research. The trespassing Greenpeace members traversed Papoose Lake unscathed, reporting nothing out of the ordinary."

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5984407/are-there-ufos-in-hidden-hangars-at-papoose-dry-lake

These protesters survived the experience just fine as well. Any ill effects would have boosted their cause and been reported loudly.


From Jerry's perch in that photo, I would think you could get a drone over there to search for hangar doors, unless the radiation brought it down.  ;)


Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: A51Watcher on June 29, 2017, 08:16:07 pm

Personally I think the rocky outcrop on the dry lake itself which is an outcrop of the Papoose mountains is large enough to house the S4 facility and fits the bill for the saucer to be already on the lake bed when Bob witnessed the official test flight put on for his viewing.

The dry lake would also hide tire tracks coming to and leaving the facility.


Title: Re: Nuclear Effects on the South West USA
Post by: zorgon on June 29, 2017, 11:42:19 pm
Just wondered 'Z' if you have ever known about monitoring LV after a dust storm for radioactivity levels ?

It must be really quite bad around the borders of the NTS range...That they are not letting us really know the facts...

Most of the wind from the test site blows into UTAH :P  In fact during the testing of the bombs they waited for the winds to blow towards UTAH for any fall out

 ::)