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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #270 on: March 17, 2017, 02:50:45 pm »
Reminds me of Trumps wall! Better ban ladders and ropes in Mexico also. 2500 miles long. I think the Mexicans could lean a ladder up one side of the wall and throw a rope or bedsheets down the other in remote places and be over

The way I understood Trumps Wall was that it was more an Affirmative action thing than a physical wall  :P

CANADA/US has a 'wall" It is a wall of Killer Drones patrolling that border

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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #271 on: March 29, 2017, 07:58:45 am »
ok second attempt  it worked after i removed the charts.. hummmmmmmm
have to relearn how that works


yes it's huff post  :P
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-climate-order_us_559aab91e4b0c706985a42be?o3&
 
 
Donald Trump’s Disastrous Plan To Derail U.S. Climate Action
A tale in two charts.

By Alissa Scheller ,  Alexander C. Kaufman
03/28/2017 02:35 pm ET | Updated 16 hours ago
 
President Donald Trump signed a sweeping executive order on Tuesday aimed at reversing much of former President Barack Obama’s efforts to shrink the United States’ carbon footprint.
 
The long-awaited order instructs the Environmental Protection Agency to review the Clean Power Plan, the Obama administration’s signature policy for slashing greenhouse gas emissions from the utility sector, by far the country’s biggest emitter. This review marks the first step toward scrapping the regulation.
 
“Perhaps no single regulation threatens our miners, energy workers and companies more than this crushing attack on American industry,” Trump said at the 2 p.m. signing at the EPA. “We’re ending the theft of American prosperity and rebuilding our beloved country.”
 
Trump’s order also directs the Department of the Interior to lift a temporary ban, put in place last year, on coal leasing on federal lands. In addition, it eliminates federal guidance instructing agencies to factor climate change into policymaking and disbands a team tasked with calculating the “social cost of carbon.”
 
By undoing the Clean Power Plan, the Trump administration is putting projected carbon emissions back on an upward trajectory. It is also abandoning any hope of meeting the U.S. emissions reduction targets set out in 2015 in the 195-country Paris Agreement, the first global climate pact to include China and the U.S., the world’s top polluters.
 
China ratified the Paris climate deal in September. In January, Chinese President Xi Jinping urged the U.S. not to withdraw from the agreement. Trump’s executive order does not contain language critical of the Paris accord, reflecting pressure from Trump’s few advisers who don’t take a hard-line stance against climate science.
 
 
Scott Pruitt sued the Obama administration to block the plan, claiming the rule overstepped the EPA’s legal mandate.
 
In a victory for Pruitt and other Republican state attorneys general, the Supreme Court issued a stay on implementing the plan in February 2016. But the high court’s 2007 ruling in Massachusetts v. EPA, which categorized greenhouse gases as a pollutant, legally compels the federal environmental agency to police emissions.
 
“It looks like there’s going to be a reopening of the whole question of the best way, the legal way, to get at the largest source of greenhouse gas pollution in our country, which is the fossil fuel-fired power plants,” Frank Rambo, head of clean energy and air pollution at the nonprofit Southern Environmental Law Center, told The Huffington Post in an interview ahead of the order’s release.
 
Environmentalists are likely to sue to protect the Clean Power Plan, forcing the White House to prove in court that the regulation meets the legal standard of “arbitrary and capricious.” To successfully employ this standard to overturn a previous court ruling, White House attorneys would have to debunk the overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming is man-made.
 
The biggest problem with dismantling the Clean Power Plan is that the plan itself represents only a preliminary step toward reaching emissions reduction goals. Even if the plan were to be perfectly implemented, the U.S. would still be progressing only halfway toward achieving its emissions goals for 2025. Trump may fail to completely undo the plan, but his administration seems unlikely to enact other policies to reduce emissions.
 
 
Trump pledged to boost the U.S. economy by gutting environmental regulations he blames for holding back businesses. Earlier this month, he proposed slashing the EPA budget by nearly one-third, eliminating popular programs like Energy Star and hampering the agency’s enforcement division. The EPA already rescinded a rule this month requiring oil and gas drillers to report leaks of methane, a greenhouse gas 40 times more potent than carbon dioxide.
 
Kneecapping U.S. participation in the Paris Agreement could jeopardize the future of the deal itself. The accord, signed in December 2015, set out global emissions targets far below what’s required to prevent world temperatures from surpassing the 3.6-degree Fahrenheit increase that scientists say will irreversibly damage human civilization.
 
The language of the Paris deal urges the United Nations to reconvene every five years to set new, more stringent goals. If a country as wealthy and powerful as the U.S. fails to meet its baseline commitments, it’s unlikely that poor, developing countries that depend on fossil fuels to grow their economies will make ambitious emissions cuts themselves.
 
The failure of previous global deals, such as the 1992 Kyoto Protocol, hinged in large part on the U.S.’s refusal to implement emission cuts. And already, Trump has proposed curtailing payments to the U.N.-administered Green Climate Fund, which helps poorer countries build renewable energy infrastructure and prepare for the effects of climate change.
 
“The world is safer when America is strong,” Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke said in a speech before Trump. “Our strength relies on energy.”
 
 
 
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Our carbon footprint says it all.
This graph shows the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as measured at Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii, from 1958 to today. In September, scientists at Mauna Loa announced that C02 levels had likely surpassed the threshold of 400 parts per million permanently.
 

 
7 slides here cause i can't tell if they are  being copied because of error
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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #272 on: April 02, 2017, 06:34:28 am »
Back to expanding earth theory.


Let's assume for one moment that the earth's core was a giant block of ice, rather than an iron core.
It would have been formed at absolute 0.  Pretty cold!

Fast forward a few years (millions) and ice starts to melt....there's your oceans folks.  Above and below the surface.

Now add magma into this ....

https://www.reference.com/science/magma-form-719dca69a562886


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Magma forms when rocks in the mantle melt due to changes in pressure or the addition of water. Although temperatures in the earth's mantle are much hotter than melting temperature, there is not a layer of magma or molten rock under the earth's surface at any given time because there is too much pressure for rock to melt. Rather, magma forms here and there because of certain changes.

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According to How Stuff Works, magma exists in solid, liquid and gaseous states simultaneously. Magma typically occurs along tectonic plate boundaries because of the way these plates interact with each other. If plates move away from each other, the pressure in the mantle changes, because suddenly there is a void for the rock to fill. This change in pressure starts melting the mantle rock into magma. Magma also forms when two plates collide. This collision forms a trench where once more pressure in the mantle changes. If it occurs in the ocean, water lowers the melting point of the rocks. In both instances magma once more forms.
According to Volcano World, occasionally the magma will be contained within a magma chamber, usually beneath a volcano. This magma is released when gas from the magma exerts a great enough pressure.



Ok..... so what is produced when water is heated to temperatures that can melt rock?


Of course STEAM.  What does steam do? Creates pressure/energy.  Make trains operate, create electricity, etc.

So if there is a tremendous amount of gas/pressure being created, would it not make sense that the earth started expanding much the same as balloon would?


Food for thought!


 
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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #273 on: April 02, 2017, 07:28:13 am »
Let's assume for one moment that the earth's core was a giant block of ice, rather than an iron core.
It would have been formed at absolute 0.  Pretty cold!

Fast forward a few years (millions) and ice starts to melt....there's your oceans folks.  Above and below the surface.
First question: why millions of years? The pressure from the weight of the upper layers on the core would create a tendency to melt the core from the moment it was created.

Second question: does it mean that below the continents and ocean bottom it would be all water, down to the core?

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Now add magma into this ....
Where does it come from? Do you mean that only a small(ish) core was ice, the rest was rock? If yes, how would the heavier rock keep above the lighter ice?

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Ok..... so what is produced when water is heated to temperatures that can melt rock?
Where would that heat come from?

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Of course STEAM.  What does steam do? Creates pressure/energy.  Make trains operate, create electricity, etc.

So if there is a tremendous amount of gas/pressure being created, would it not make sense that the earth started expanding much the same as balloon would?
I don't think so, as soon as it would find an escape route all the steam would be gone. If, when losing pressure, the escape route closed and the steam kept on creating more pressure then the escape route would open and close until there wasn't enough ice to create steam with a strong enough pressure to reopen the escape route.

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Food for thought!
Yes, but I don't think it explains a theoretical expanding Earth.

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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #274 on: April 06, 2017, 11:04:28 am »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/greenland-coastal-ice-caps-melting_us_58e5f007e4b0fe4ce08840b1?bs&

04/06/2017 11:31 am ET
Greenland’s Coastal Ice Caps Have Melted Past The Point Of No Return
Coastal ice has passed a critical “tipping point,” a new study shows. And it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the island’s ice.
By Dominique Mosbergen


JOE RAEDLE/GETTY IMAGES


The coastal glaciers and ice caps of Greenland are “doomed,” according to a new study.
Even as President Donald Trump and his administration continue to deny the urgency of climate change, an international team of researchers has revealed how global warming has already melted Greenland’s coastal glaciers and ice caps past the point of no return.

In a study published in Nature Communications on Friday, scientists based in Europe and the U.S. describe how the glaciers and ice caps that cover tens of thousands of square miles along the coast of Greenland have reached a critical “tipping point,” beyond which further melting is unavoidable.

Troublingly, the ice had already surpassed this tipping point 20 years ago, the researchers said — only the technology to confirm this hadn’t existed until now.

“These peripheral glaciers and ice caps can be thought of as colonies of ice that are in rapid decline, many of which will likely disappear in the near future,” said Ian Howat, study co-author and glaciologist at Ohio State University, in a statement last week. “In that sense, you could say that they’re ‘doomed.’”


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A meltwater stream on Greenland’s ice sheet.
The complete melting of Greenland’s coastal ice could raise global sea levels by about 1.5 inches, researchers said. It’s an increase that could impact some islands and low-lying coastal areas through flooding, erosion and other effects. But according to the study’s authors, there’s much more at stake than even that.

“The [1.5 inch figure] does not sound like much,” lead author Brice Noël told The Huffington Post on Thursday from Utrecht University in The Netherlands, where he’s a doctoral researcher. “But these ice caps are an alarm signal of what will happen on the Greenland ice sheet if temperatures continue to increase.”

The Greenland ice sheet, which covers about 80 percent of the island’s surface, is the second-largest ice body in the world after the Antarctic ice sheet. The same processes that have caused the accelerated melting of Greenland’s coastal ice bodies could also influence the island’s massive ice sheet — with devastating results, Noël said.

“For now, the ice sheet is still safe,” he said. “Its tipping point hasn’t been crossed yet. But if warming continues, it’s very likely that it will be crossed.”

If the entire Greenland ice sheet were to melt, it would cause a global sea level rise of more than 20 feet.



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About 80 percent of Greenland, pictured in this satellite image, is covered in an enormous ice sheet. According to NASA, the ice sheet stretches 1,540 miles long and contains roughly 8 percent of all of Earth’s fresh water. Greenland also has isolated glaciers and small ice caps around its periphery. This coastal ice is disappearing at a breakneck pace, say scientists.

Snow Like A ‘Sponge’

To understand why Greenland’s coastal glaciers and ice caps have reached the tipping point the researchers describe, you need to know how these ice bodies are formed.

Glaciers (slow-moving masses of ice) and ice caps (essentially mini ice sheets) are created when snow accumulates in an area and eventually transforms into ice. When new layers of snow fall, the compress the previous layers and eventually force them to recrystallize, forming larger and larger grains of snow that later become larger and larger crystals of ice. As the crystals grow, air pockets between them diminish, and after many years — typically, many decades — near-impermeable glacial ice forms.

But between the snow phase and the glacial ice phase, there’s an intermediate phase called “firn” ― when layers of compressed snow have yet to turn into ice. It typically takes about two winters to form firn in colder regions like Greenland, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center in the U.S.

Firn is critical for preventing glaciers and ice caps from melting, researchers say in the new study. When snow melts on the surface of these ice bodies during the warmer months, meltwater collects in gaps in the firn on the way down to the layer of glacial ice below. The bottom layer of this meltwater will re-freeze, ensuring that the glacier or ice cap keeps its size or continues to grow.

These peripheral glaciers and ice caps can be thought of as colonies of ice that are in rapid decline, many of which will likely disappear in the near future.
Ian Howat, Ohio State University
The firn, explained Noël, “works like a sponge that can buffer a large amount of meltwater.”

But Noël and his team discovered that Greenland’s coastal glaciers and ice caps have melted so quickly in the past few decades that about 20 years ago, the firn of these ice bodies became fully saturated with frozen meltwater.

In other words, there was “enough melt to fill up all the pore spaces in the snowpack,” explained Allen Pope, an NSIDC glaciologist who was not involved in the study, in an email to HuffPost on Thursday.

With nowhere else to go, the meltwater from these coastal glaciers and ice caps started running into the sea, causing these ice bodies’ rapid decline, the study says.

Until 1997, the glaciers and ice caps had been able to “contain and refreeze enough meltwater to remain stable despite temperature fluctuations,” Utrecht University said in a news release. Since then, however, they’ve been melting at an accelerated pace, losing about three times as much mass annually as they did before 1997. It’s an effect that the scientists have called “irreversible.”

“It would require decades to regrow a new, healthy snow cover that can buffer the summer melt again,” said Noël. And with temperatures continuing to rise because of climate change, this regrowth will likely be impossible.

“In a warmer climate, rainfall will increase at the expense of snowfall, further limiting the formation of a healthy snow cover,” Noël added.


BENOIT TESSIER/REUTERS
As the World Climate Change Conference (COP21) took place in Paris in 2015, ice blocks harvested in Greenland were installed on the city’s Place du Pantheon.


Climate Change To Blame

Greenland’s coastal glaciers and ice caps measure about 35,000 square miles (about the size of Maine), and according to Utrecht University, represent the largest glacierized area on Earth outside of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets.

Citing earlier research, Noël said up to 30 percent of Greenland’s coastal ice is expected to disappear by 2100.

Global warming, said researchers, is a clear culprit of this precipitous decline: Higher temperatures have meant not just more meltwater production, but also less firn accumulating every year to absorb the meltwater.

Observers have known for years that Greenland’s coastal ice is shrinking, but until now, it was impossible to confirm the exact cause due to technological limitations, the study’s authors said. Ohio State glaciologist Howat said in an email that past researchers lacked three necessities: a high-resolution topographic model of the glaciers and ice caps, a detailed map of their boundaries and a high-resolution numerical model of drainage processes.

Today, however, new technology like Howat’s Greenland Ice Mapping Project Digital Elevation Model, and the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model, developed in part by Utrecht University, have allowed scientists to better understand the processes that are shrinking Greenland’s coastal ice.

The results of the study, said Noël, were “quite surprising.” His team had not expected the saturated firn to contribute so significantly to the ice’s accelerated decline, he said.



An Ice Sheet’s Uncertain Future

This information could have far-reaching implications, researchers said.

If the Earth’s temperature increases by 2 degrees Celsius, the benchmark agreed upon in the landmark Paris climate agreement, the Greenland ice sheet could experience the same accelerated melting that the island’s coastal glaciers and ice caps are facing, said Noël.

The ice sheet is larger and more climatologically isolated than the coastal ice bodies and therefore more stable, but researchers have already observed similar changes to certain parts of the ice sheet’s firn layer, said Howat. These changes are part of “an important process in increasing the rate at which the ice sheet responds to warming, even if it is much slower than the little glaciers at the periphery,” he said.

The Greenland ice sheet has been melting at an accelerated pace since 1979. A study published in December revealed that the large ice cache is less stable than previously believed.

These ice caps are an alarm signal of what will happen on the Greenland ice sheet if temperatures continue to increase.
Brice Noël, Utrecht University
Trump and some members of his administration, including Scott Pruitt, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency, have denied that climate change is an immediate threat worth tackling. Trump signed an executive order last week targeting climate change regulations introduced by his predecessor Barack Obama. Trump’s call to roll back the Clean Power Plan, a regulation aimed at reducing carbon emissions from existing power plants, could significantly handicap U.S. efforts to meet its Paris Agreement commitments.

Last month, Pruitt prompted a furor when he contradicted overwhelming scientific consensus by claiming that carbon dioxide released by humans is not definitively the primary contributor to climate change.

Trump has proposed steep budget cuts at the EPA, the agency Pruitt now leads. According to reports this week, these cuts could imperil the jobs of hundreds of employees working on climate change.

______

Dominique Mosbergen is a reporter at The Huffington Post covering climate change, extreme weather and extinction. Send tips or feedback to dominique.mosbergen@huffingtonpost.com or follow her on Twitter.

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A tipping point in refreezing accelerates mass loss of Greenland’s glaciers and ice caps

B. Noël, W. J van de Berg, S. Lhermitte, B. Wouters, H. Machguth, I. Howat, M. Citterio, G. Moholdt, J. T. M. Lenaerts & M. R. van den Broeke
Nature Communications 8, Article number: 14730 (2017)
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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #275 on: April 06, 2017, 02:44:47 pm »
Otter,

Your huge post crashed my phone, which is always what happens with huge posts that have vids and pics.  :(

Could you, perhaps, make several smaller posts?

Thanks,

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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #276 on: April 06, 2017, 03:53:00 pm »
The way I understood Trumps Wall was that it was more an Affirmative action thing than a physical wall  :P

CANADA/US has a 'wall" It is a wall of Killer Drones patrolling that border


That's what I thought too Mic; the Mexicans can be very smart and work well.  I don't think no darn physical wall will keep them out, some will get through.

Zorgon you crack me up.  ;D
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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #277 on: April 06, 2017, 05:56:07 pm »
Is it just me, or wasn't it named Greenland when the Vikings first discovered it because it was a green land instead of a giant Popsicle?

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« Reply #278 on: April 06, 2017, 06:38:00 pm »
Is it just me, or wasn't it named Greenland when the Vikings first discovered it because it was a green land instead of a giant Popsicle?

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Greenland as in one word dear.
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« Reply #279 on: April 06, 2017, 06:40:51 pm »
I probably misinterpreted what you were trying to say Seeker.  Some Americans get very toey with me over that, sorry.
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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #280 on: April 06, 2017, 06:45:53 pm »


Greenland as in one word dear.
Biggsy, my point is that Iceland means covered in ice; Greenland means covered in green as in vegetation...

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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #281 on: April 06, 2017, 06:50:08 pm »

you guys are funny


Etymology[edit]
The early Viking settlers named the island as Greenland. In the Icelandic sagas, the Norwegian-born Icelander Erik the Red was said to be exiled from Iceland for manslaughter. Along with his extended family and his thralls, he set out in ships to explore an icy land known to lie to the northwest. After finding a habitable area and settling there, he named it Grœnland (translated as "Greenland"), supposedly in the hope that the pleasant name would attract settlers.[17][18][19]
The name of the country in Greenlandic (Kalaallisut) is Kalaallit Nunaat ("land of the Kalaallit").[20] The Kalaallit are the indigenous Greenlandic Inuit people who inhabit the country's western region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland




Irene
you may or may not have noticed that i do make longer posts when copying stuff..
sigh.. it's so i don't have a big number of posts when i can combine things

so i have a few questions for ya
how many posts would that entry have to be to not croak your phone?

i ask cause the only thing you can do on my phone is talk  ... really

and if i had only posted the link and you went to read it would that have also crashed your phone?

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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #282 on: April 06, 2017, 08:50:49 pm »
Biggsy, my point is that Iceland means covered in ice; Greenland means covered in green as in vegetation...

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« Reply #283 on: April 06, 2017, 08:51:50 pm »
you guys are funny

Wikipedia is not the best source :P

Remember "global warming"? have you heard about the MINI Ice Age that hit Europe and was the reason they invented fireplaces, window panes and tapestries to keep those now frigid castles warm?  There was a show on TV called 'Connections' that covered how that all developed

But before that mini ice age there was a period of warming NOT global but in the northern European regions

Greenland used to be green

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The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 years old and warming was not global when Europeans settled in Greenland 1,000 years ago

Now the 'marketing skills' of Eric may be cute but there was green land back then  In fact there are parts of Antarctica that are ice free as well (Admiral Byrd story) 
This info is even from a SKEPTIC website :P

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“CIA's Sallie Baliunas […] refers to the medieval Viking sagas as examples of unusual warming around 1003 A.D. ‘The Vikings established colonies in Greenland at the beginning of the second millennium, but they died out several hundred years later when the climate turned colder,’ she notes.” (William Cromie)

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The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 years old

Scientists have estimated that the Greenland ice sheet is between 400,000 and 800,000 years old. This means that the island today is unlikely to have been markedly different when Europeans settled there. However, there is evidence that the settled areas were warmer than today, with large birch woodlands providing both timber and fuel. This warmth coincided with the period known as the Medieval Climatic Anomaly, also known as the Medieval Warm Period, which we will discuss below.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm



Another interesting point is Egyptians, Romans and Greeks

They ran around basically almost naked.. shows it in the old wall paintings etc. They wore short skirts or loin cloths, thin tunics and even the Olympic athletes were almost naked.

 WHY did they not get sun burned?

Today in Egypt they are covered head to toe and wrap their head to protect from the sun

So WHAT was different back then?


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Re: Worsening Weather, Earthquakes, Vortices, Volcanoes, CMEs ... What's Up?
« Reply #284 on: April 06, 2017, 08:54:48 pm »

 


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