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Offline guerande

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2012, 03:29:31 am »
Hi all,

ask John to post the 224 page of the Lunar Orbiter Photographic Atlas,
page 224 , photo number IV-73-H3.
I can't do it : my scanner is out ...

Hope that will help !

Have a good day !

Guerande

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2012, 03:40:13 am »
Would that be th surrounding area by any chance? 

If yes, does the crater pictured by 08rubicon look like it is definitely Romer?

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2012, 04:18:53 am »
Don't think so ...

But I'm not a specialist, just  " amateur  ".
The images do not correspond.

John , plse, yr advice ?  :)

All the best
Guerande

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2012, 03:27:22 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think only half the crater is visible or that image (36.4E). :-/
It's true, only half of Romer crater, and I am starting to think that we are looking at the wrong crater, as the area doesn't look like the area around Römer crater.

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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2012, 08:58:36 pm »
I sense the same conclusion. OP,  can you try again to locate your photo on Google moon and get the coorodinates angain.  Something feels odd. Can you match it up and screen shoot it.
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Re: nasa images
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2012, 01:08:28 am »
That's a relief.  I was worried for a moment there that everyone else was convinced it was Romer that 08rubicon had shot!  ::)

You probably think that's odd but when nobody else said anything....  LOL

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 05:32:43 am »
That's a relief.  I was worried for a moment there that everyone else was convinced it was Romer that 08rubicon had shot!  ::)

You probably think that's odd but when nobody else said anything....  LOL

WHEW! glad you said it...I didn't think they were the same either, but not being an expert in such matters, even though I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, I didn't want to make a fool out of myself... :o ;)

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 07:34:21 am »
WHEW! glad you said it...I didn't think they were the same either, but not being an expert in such matters, even though I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, I didn't want to make a fool out of myself... :o ;)
I'm not an expert.  This is a hobby only for me.  ArMaP knows far more about lunar/planetary imaging than I do.

However, I'm always willing to stick my neck out when something doesn't smell right.  It  gets me into arguments with "experts" and sometimes I turn out to be wrong.  On the upside, often it helps us all learn just as much when we explore an idea or argument without too much fear of being wrong.  I'm willing to look foolish occasionally in the name of truth.  :o

People who ask many questions may appear to be ignorant.  However, people who ask none will remain ignorant forever.

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2012, 07:37:13 am »
Ahem ;)
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Re: nasa images
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2012, 06:00:00 pm »
Pimander--I am sure of the crater romer, however, at full moon, the image
of romer is not clear in my photos..sort of like haze or dust over the crater..
also 'seeing' is not good at full moon-too bright..will try to find a full moon
shot, and a wide angle shot to verify location..  I am not very good at altering
my images..barely able to post them.kinda new at this -sorry.
thanks much

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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2012, 07:39:25 pm »
 O.K., you have hit on the origional problem..My images do not match anything
official of crater romer.I have the correct crater, and have compared the
area to clementine map. It seems the official image is either very old, 1994 or
before, and the three newer craters in the lower left are very fresh, or the official version is computer generated. I am looking forward to something
from the clementine resident expert. I have come to the limit of my equipement
and knowledge..I am at a loss as to the 'construct' I see in my images. I do not seem to be able to mark up my images, but the new craters have not been
named as they do not exist in any official image..this image is taken near full moon, and seeing is poor and the moon surface is obscured by haze or dust.
 thanks for all the help.

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2012, 04:40:13 pm »
O.K., you have hit on the origional problem..My images do not match anything
official of crater romer.
Is this new image you posted from the same area? If it is then I think this is one of those cases in which the shadows change so much the area that we cannot recognise it. That's why Kaguya/Selene images have a "morning" and "evening" version, besides the "mapping" version.

I will look more into this. :)

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2012, 05:17:14 pm »
Are you sure that's not crater Piccolomini?

On Google Moon.


On the Clementine image browser.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2017, 01:54:44 pm by ArMaP »

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2012, 08:59:34 am »
 You may know that the moon is not a stationary target. It and the earth are
floating in space. The earth rotates on it's axis and wobbels( seasons), and the
moon rotates on it's axis, and is said to wobble, as it orbits the earth.The ralation of the target crater will  change from one photo sesion to the next,and will look different slightly hour by hour, day by day and month to month,where-as the map image is static in a north orintation,and does not change.So, it is reasonable that the area around the crater will appear different as the position of the camera and the angle of the sun changes..Notice the relationship between crater romer and crater le monnier in my image and the map image.
Crater posidonius does not show in my image as my camera has limited field
of view. The moon will be in position for a new image at end of month.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2012, 09:02:11 am by 08rubicon »

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Re: nasa images
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2012, 02:24:37 pm »
You may know that the moon is not a stationary target.
I know that.

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It and the earth are floating in space.
I know that too.

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The earth rotates on it's axis and wobbels( seasons), and the moon rotates on it's axis, and is said to wobble, as it orbits the earth.
I know that too.

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The ralation of the target crater will  change from one photo sesion to the next,and will look different slightly hour by hour, day by day and month to month,where-as the map image is static in a north orintation,and does not change.
I don't understand what you mean by "The ralation of the target crater will  change from one photo sesion to the next", the relation (I suppose that was what you meant) with what?

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So, it is reasonable that the area around the crater will appear different as the position of the camera and the angle of the sun changes..Notice the relationship between crater romer and crater le monnier in my image and the map image.
I looked at that several times, and I don't see how those two images may be showing the same area.

In the image below I try to explain what I see in common in your photos that show the supposed crater Römer and what I don't see on your photo that shows Mare Serenitatis.



One of the things that makes me think that your photo does not show crater Römer is the direction of the light, as the shadows are almost from north, something that, as far as I know, doesn't happen. That's why I thought of rotating the image and look for areas that look like your photo, and, to me, the area where we can see crater Piccolomini and crater Fracastorius looks like your photo.

Bellow you can see the comparison between the features visible in your photos and the features on the Piccolomoni crater area.



PS: I made the Google Moon image a little darker to make the features more easily noticeable.  :)

Edited to add a view from the Piccolomoni crater area, taken by Kaguya/Selene, the "morning" version.

« Last Edit: July 18, 2017, 01:59:26 pm by ArMaP »

 


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