(ED note: I find it impossible to resist the urge to say - I TOLD YOU SO!! :P :P :P )
Bob Lazar is the alleged UFO whistleblower whose claims of working on back engineering alien spacecraft at Area 51 have made the secretive base famous. Officials have denied his claims that he worked for the government as a scientist, and, until now, no one has ever come forth to say otherwise. However, in a recent interview a documentary filmmaker shared statements he was given by a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories in which he claims to have met Lazar at Los Alamos and can confirm he was employed as a physicist.
Knapp and his UFO road warrior dog, Corbell are milking this for all they can get. Follow the money. Whores and clearances don't mix. And they do give your background and anal exam. This story is such BS!
What I'm saying is to work at a place like that, doing the things he said he did, you have to have at minimum a TSC with untold accesses. To get that they conduct heavy background checks by the FBI. You don't get caught running whores and then get a TSC! Anything remotely negative that can jeopardize that, you get excluded. That's a fact! He may have had a minor job in an unsecured area out there. That's possible. Do I think he was a patsy for someone else spilling the beans? Absolutely! I think he was fed info to funnel to John. But he had to have a cover story and the rest as they say is history. That's my belief.
Peace 8)
Rock
Ps...I had a TSC in the Army. A little 20 year old nobody from New Iberia Louisiana. The FBI sought out people that I went to high school with and interviewed them about me. And I didn't run any whores!
I might be corrected on the timeline about his whores...
Whores and clearances don't mix.
Then if that is the case then the entire premise for your dispariging remarks about Bob falls apart then doesn't it?
time to move down more credible and reliable avenue's.
A little surprised here at your lack of researchYes I am too...lack of sleep and meds does that from time to time.... >:( :-X
So your assessment of Bob "running whores" is a)BOGUS and b) the incident happened years AFTER he spilled the beans...I doubt my assesment, however flawed, matters much here, but only to give my enemies ammo....
Things like this is what just make the water even muddier
::)
I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.
Except, as pointed out by ufologist Stanton Friedman, the directory includes not just employees of Los Alamos, but employees of the Department of Energy and an outside contractor, Kirk-Mayer. The designation “K/M” follows Lazar’s name, indicating he worked for Kirk-Mayer, not Los Alamos. Lazar evidently worked at Los Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist.
What you may not realize is that there are two Bob Lazars..
The first Bob Lazar was born in Florida in 1959, and was soon adopted by a successful businessman and his wife. He graduated from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Long Island. In the late ’70s the Lazar family relocated to Woodland Hills, California. Bob took some electronics courses at Pierce College in Los Angeles and worked at Fairchild Electronics. In 1980 he married the first of three wives, Carol, in Woodland Hills. Two years later the couple moved to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where Lazar established himself as a photo developer. In 1985 the couple invested heavily in a local brothel known as the Honeysuckle Ranch.
The other Bob Lazar was also born in Florida in 1959, adopted, and transplanted to California as a teen. But he somehow managed to gain entrance to MIT and Cal Tech, despite being in the bottom third of his graduating class. He acquired a Masters degree in electronic engineering from MIT while simultaneously living in the Southwest. He then earned a doctorate in physics from Cal Tech without attending a single class. While finishing university, he magically became a senior staff physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, designing components for nuclear weapons systems. Wow. This Bob Lazar has some serious science chops. He could kick the other Bob Lazar’s ass.
and some of the answers to things like his connection with the brothel..and his qualifications seem to be the main things that initially get raised ,seem to be acceptable by some and not by others..this being before one looks into the Area 51 / S4 side of the story.
The more info I earlier promised has left me in a bind. I would wax eloquently on the subject but if I did I'd stir up a poope storm here and I really don't have the energy anymore to spend an inordinate amount of my little free time. I have no interest in getting in the way of this board's love affair with the Amazing ::) Bob Lazar. I just leave with this. The need to believe in this, over comes most here, rational reasoning. And the money that's been made and continues to be made is just too good to pass up.
I will not comment on this 'story' again.
Goodbye all
Rock 8)
Well you should ask the person who made that video now shouldn't you.
For someone who claims to not to be here to argue and start arguments you seem fond of using inflammatory language and spreading BS on your own.
But then that's nothing new considering the BS you tried spreading last year.
All I have to do is posts Bobs own videos he completely debunks himself I don't have to say anything.
And if your referring top The Lazar report I didn't write one page of that report I helped with the lack of Education at MIT and Cal-Tech which doesn't exist period.
He was never a physicist ever.. So how could Bob had been the "Senior Staff Physicist" at S4 that's Bobs own words.
I have to go to work I will be posting more this weekend I want to have a constructive conversation if possible.
Interesting post seems to be p-retty one sided....
John has never been listed in the SR71 database and was never an SR71 Pilot
It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings
John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.
It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.
And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den... even I don't get over there much because of my own issues
John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den... even I don't get over there much because of my own issues
Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...
John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...
People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.
Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"
It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings
John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.
It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.
And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den... even I don't get over there much because of my own issues
Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...
John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...
When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...
But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy and he even gave himself top billing...
When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us. I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access
I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts he really didn't know.
It is a little difficult to make comments on the last few posts from "A51Watcher" and "Shot in the dark".
I respect them both highly and have valued their research and comments as being maybe the most indepth researchers that I know with regards to the Bob Lazar story.
I believe that I have had a lot of belief in the story since it first took my interest... but after being a member on PRC for a few years now.. I have come across a lot of facts that I had not known about.. and both have educated me.
If what A51 witnessed is as he has described and shown us with his videos.. it seems it offers the proof that any researcher has been looking for.
BUT... when one looks into the more indepth things.. there has been a lot of questions to ask and try to obtain answers...and for those of us who have not witnessed a Saucer at Area 51or elsewhere.. I can understand that there views on things vary and with certain facts seeming not to make sense... that trying to research the facts can make ones view change and vary.
Then as one finds out more and more what may be possible or that could be going on.. its easily possible to consider other possibilities behind what could occur if say it was somehow some hoax or set up.
With the recent Interview with Bob... I was curious to see if either A51 or Dan had any updated views on it and was hoping that they would comment if they had any new things that they had questioned.
I am not wanting them to fall out or to try and put down one or other.. and I understand some of the past background and opinions that they may have had and that they have some strong opinions that could lead to misunderstandings.
Surely you recall the impressive forensic image analysis performed on Bob's footage so far, there is a 2nd installment coming, as well as the same techniques applied to my footage. The results are equally impressive.
I respect them both highly and have valued their research and comments as being maybe the most indepth researchers that I know with regards to the Bob Lazar story.
I believe that I have had a lot of belief in the story since it first took my interest... but after being a member on PRC for a few years now.. I have come across a lot of facts that I had not known about.. and both have educated me.
If what A51 witnessed is as he has described and shown us with his videos.. it seems it offers the proof that any researcher has been looking for.
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...
People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.
Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"
It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings
John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.
It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.
And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den... even I don't get over there much because of my own issues
Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...
John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...
When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...
But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy and he even gave himself top billing...
When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us. I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access
I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts he really didn't know.
The other thing that I also could question... and this is of only from more recent things that I have found out about on PRC... is just wondering how far and how good can Holographic technology really be...A projected light can move at speeds impossible for an object, but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view, while a hologram does reproduce the 3D scene that was captured.
The reason I refer to this, is I recall the 1st time that I saw what seemed like a fast moving light in the sky that I later found out was a projected laser...
it looked so real and unusual at the time..and was moving all over the sky at varying speeds..
Let's not forget Mr. Knapp in all this too. He was pushing Corbell heavily, calling him 'The UFO Road Warrior' and defending him at every turn. I've saved all our convos with Knapp and Corbell from Facebook. The two are tied together. I had Knapp come on John's page to defend his good buddy when I called out Corbell on the release of Immaculate Deception. Hence not a peep outta either one. I thought of Knapp only in terms of the Lazar story, someone reporting on an extraordinary story, but after this experience with Corbell, everything he says is suspect. Including the Lazar story.Knapp was down right insensitive and pretty rude I don't know why.. Much different guy online then on C2C. He and Corbell knew I was calling I sat on the phone for hours they let me speak with a few minutes...
IMO
Rock
A projected light can move at speeds impossible for an object, but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view, while a hologram does reproduce the 3D scene that was captured.
Also, light has a problem, mist and dust will affect it, so light projections are limited to specific meteorological conditions.
Turns out what I have shown you so far with my videos is nothing compared to what I will be releasing later this year.
Surely you recall the impressive forensic image analysis performed on Bob's footage so far, there is a 2nd installment coming, as well as the same techniques applied to my footage. The results are equally impressive.
Be sure to include in your calculations how advanced craft would be operating in the dead of night with no one around until I showed up. Just operating the most amazing show on earth for the heck of it until someone shows up for a peek? Doesn't compute.
Like I said when I got back from the conference, very little if anything new was revealed by Bob. Sadly when he was about to describe 'the amazing technology' that connected the gravity amplifiers to the craft and aimed them, George cut him off with a question about something else.
Most everything else I had seen, heard or read about before.
Could be. Long as we stick to facts things will be smooth.
There is a key connection to Roswell here.
Now recall these things landed in front of me after the intruder alert alarm.
I was dam near as close as The Day The Earth Stood Still.
Also the one that flew low overhead.
So I know for a fact these were large saucers. The connection to Roswell is these are the same craft performing the same impossible speeds and maneuvers reported in 1947.
If you read the now declassified Project Grudge report we see -official confirmation- that neither The Axis or The Allies knew what the UFO's seen during the war were, but incorrectly assumed that they were new technology from the other side.
That is why the military in 1947 suspected the saucers were Russian, not German.
Even so, operating such craft back then was not possible "by any earthly civilization known". (Scientific opinion in Grudge)
Even remote control craft would fail these maneuvers at such speeds we still cannot attain.
So if we couldn't create such technology in 1947, what makes you think we can create it now?
No sign of any such technology from anybody anywhere through out the years.
'Using' Bob as a 'plant' to expose the most incredible technology in the world does not compute.
If this tech were not real and just rumor to impress the Russians, then sure I could buy that.
Problem is - I know for a fact this tech in not just rumor. It is and performs exactly as advertised.- Advanced Alien Technology.
All the way from 1947 until today.
These facts will become known and spread as further people allow their identities to become known in the future, who have already privately confirmed Bob's story.
And also as advanced imaging reveals more details from personal footage taken at A51.
No matter who wants to scream or shout, holler or pout, nothing will ever change the reality of what is out in the desert.
And who first spilled the beans.
but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view,
'Using' Bob as a 'plant' to expose the most incredible technology in the world does not compute.
And who first spilled the beans.
But I am unsure if this also applies with Holograms.Holograms are different, as they need an external light source to be shining on it for it to work. Ideally, that light would exactly the same as the one used to create the hologram (a laser of a specific wavelength), but acceptable quality can be achieved with a normal light shining on the hologram from the same relative position as when the hologram was made.
I am not sure if this may be possible..but
If say they were to create Holograms from Satellites in space down to Earth...if it was cloudy or misty would this also effect its clarity of projection or even fade it out altogether ?
Well actually it DOES compute if you look at Bob's story..
Does he not say that one of the questions he was asked in his interview was whether or not he knew John Lear?
Since we know John Lear has close CIA connections... and that Bob and John were good friends... it very well could be possible that Bob was chosen to see the project because they knew the first person he would call is John Lear (which he did :P and then took him out to watch the tests :P)
Also everyone knows if you go out there the Camo Dudes are likely to shoot you :P So Bob John et all got to go home and live to tell the story and have a video... Hmmmmm
But to accept that Bob was a deliberate leak... you have to accept that Bob WAS at Area 51 and that he was shown enough about the craft so that his story would have merit... (which it has all these years) with just enough mystery added to make his story seem false.. (which it has)
Considering Bob was only there such a short time to me it does compute that he was specifically hired to be the patsy.
Precisely and that supports the planed release... the first person he called was John and then George Knapp and the breaking of that story made George's career. So who's idea was it to call George?
I made this post in another thread... I will add it here. I have made similar posts in other threads and more detailed... but in my opinion ANY study of Flying saucers needs to consider this (and yours and Bob's videos support this 100% )
One thing to consider...
IF a UFO is an Alien or Manmade space craft with some sort of intensive gravity field (not Anti Gravity :P That could never power a spacecraft)
Then it would be expected to have strange effects in the local space time.
People have reported time loss and memory issues surrounding contact with these craft
It is known by our scientists that a powerful gravity field can distort time and space... in fact for a craft to achieve FTL or WARP drive this would have to be the case
So lost time and memory loss during an event to me indicate that the story is most likely worthy of my attention
Incidentally this same gravity field would also explain why no one can get a clear photo of an operating UFO..
The field or warp bubble would distort light around the craft.. and energy leakage would account for the glowing at night
(http://dq-nz.org/dqwiki/images/f/fb/Forcefield.jpg)
This same force field bubble would also eliminate inertia inside the bubble, allowing for high speed turns and accelerations
There is THIS on public TV :DThat looks like a normal image inserted on another image, something very common on TV. As I was not on the studio at the time I cannot say if the image was visible to the people there (as a real hologram would) or if it existed only on the TV image, like the weather maps during the weather reports.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer Stanton T. Friedman received his BSc. and MSc. Degrees in physics from the University of Chicago in 1955 and 1956. He was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist by such companies as GE, GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell Douglas working in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear powerplants for space and terrestrial applications.
Stanton Friedman studied physics at the University of Chicago.[citation needed]
He graduated from Linden High School and the University of Chicago, earning a Bachelor of Science in 1955 and a Master of Science degree in nuclear physics in 1956.[1]
Career in nuclear physics[edit]
Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.[2] Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman's professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA.[citation needed]
Now a thought about Stanton Friedman
On his own website in his own biography Stanton says he never got a doctorate in Nuclear Physics and he only worked in the filed a few short years on projects that were all closed (or he was fired? ) In any case not an illustrius career. He gave it up to SELL UFO's yet has admitted he NEVER saw one...
Astro, the last thing wee need is more documentaries based on this crap, if there's any thing worthwhile to share, written word is just as good and far less expensive.
I still disagree with A51 ' s statements that we couldn't build our own 'UFO'S'. I don't believe them to be piloted tho. Some are, but not the ones that break the conventional laws of physics.
There is also a huge jump between lazar and Roswell, one that has not been satisfactorily demonstrated as far as I'm concerned.
I am not sure how accurate Wikipedia is...but this is what it said about his qualifications and carear background while working 14 years as a nuclear physicist.You can look at the "References" section of that page and see that the reference for his studies points to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman
I don't think projecting a hologram is possible, as a hologram needs a specific medium to work, but projecting a light on a surface with a hologram could, in theory, be done from space, and they could use the same laser used to create the hologram, achieving the best quality possible. The downside would be that the hologram "plate" would have to be placed somewhere, as that's a physical object.
You can look at the "References" section of that page and see that the reference for his studies points to:
Story, Ronald, editor, The Encyclopedia of UFOs; Garden City: Doubleday & Company, Inc, 1980, ISBN 0-385-13677-3
Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.
Yes weapons based platforms as described by Dr Peter Beter.
Even discarnate entities have gave us in depth descriptions of these craft.
Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.
And the facts are, no one knows anything about the 'Roswell' type craft, not in the depths of the Lazar sports model anyway. The two cases are leaps and bounds from each other.
I know that you have referred to Dr Beter for some time...I have not as yet looked into him in relevant detail to make any judgement. I will try to do so.
That's reason why I haven't shut up about him hahaha.
All these dubious 'whistle blowers' mentioned on this site, there is NOTHING dubious about Dr. Beter XD
The entities I am referring to specifically are Ra and The Awareness.
I believe there are more to, but I need to double check my facts before laying them down in text.
I am doubtful of ETH but I do believe in EDH.
Yes my mind / memory would be in a very poor state or mind controlled if I did not recall your excellent Image analysis videos..
That strengthened my belief by a large % in Bobs / your story. Until its proven otherwise I believe what you and Bob have described and shown.
I very much look forward to seeing your other videos if you are good enough to share them !
Although I still suspect some are either still unsure as yet and maybe over time in their further research they MAY get to really appreciate what you have created and shown us...Generally I am not sure that you have been given as much credit as you should have...maybe some people have not as yet clicked or understood the realities or what you have obtained....sometimes people need more time and further repeated reminders to get them to understand things to a relevant level of appreciation...
or some will still question or appreciate / understand the consequences of it. no matter how good something maybe..
I am not well enough qualified to attempt to do so..but from what I have seen.. its the best footage I have as yet to come by and so far no one has convinced me not to believe you or Bobs story.
Let's not forget Mr. Knapp in all this too. He was pushing Corbell heavily, calling him 'The UFO Road Warrior' and defending him at every turn. I've saved all our convos with Knapp and Corbell from Facebook. The two are tied together. I had Knapp come on John's page to defend his good buddy when I called out Corbell on the release of Immaculate Deception. Hence not a peep outta either one. I thought of Knapp only in terms of the Lazar story, someone reporting on an extraordinary story, but after this experience with Corbell, everything he says is suspect. Including the Lazar story.
IMO
Rock
Is a Doctorate a PHD ?
If he did work 14 yrs in the industry... I am not sure why you suggest he had a failed career...
Was he continually being sacked as he was not upto the required standards ? or was he sacked later on in his career and decided to change to a UFO career ?
Maybe at the time it seemed a good alternative...
and maybe has been a better choice long term..
Its all very disturbing what has happened to some of the researchers and Scientist that we refer to..
So you mainly think that what some may think of as Alien type (Non Earth/ from other parts of the Universe who may visit our planet) ETs as being Inter-dimensional..
and the Ra / awareness maybe connected to this ?
If so is that just the beings or the Craft as well ?
Well actually it DOES compute if you look at Bob's story..
Now a thought about Stanton Friedman
On his own website in his own biography Stanton says he never got a doctorate in Nuclear Physics and he only worked in the filed a few short years on projects that were all closed (or he was fired? ) In any case not an illustrius career. He gave it up to SELL UFO's yet has admitted he NEVER saw one...
His claim to 'fame' is the Bob Lazar story. No matter where he goes people who respect him 'because he is a nuclear scientist' ALWAYS ask "What about Bob?"
Stanton would be a failed nobody if he didn't ride Bob's coat tails.
Whether or not you believe Bob's entire story... why would Stanton know ANYTHING? Just because he is a 'nuclear scientist' (failed career)? Seem there is more money on the UFO circuit than there is in Nuclear Physics :P
Even today, on Stanton front page you see the BASH BOB thread
Well I still don't see the payoff for them.
Speaking of missing time, John discusses in an interview how Bob told him about an incident where he was inside a powered up craft for 20 minutes tops and when he came out something like 6 hours had gone by.
John said he had forgotten all about that until the interviewer had brought it up.
References to "Mag Lag" also known as the subtle effect on cognitive processes of MRI machine operators who sometimes have to go into the scanner room to check the patients and deal with issues that occur during the scan could suggest a link between magnetic fields and consciousness. Memory loss and delays in information processing have been reported, in some cases several hours after exposure. [23]
One hypothesis is that magnetic fields in the 0.5-9 Tesla range can affect the ion permeability of neural membranes, in fact this could account for a lot of the issues seen as this would affect many different brain functions.
"I never said his story is not true, I just have not seen any evidence to support it".
The challenge will begin when crowdfunding has reached the $100,000.00 mark. MUFON will have a four month period to present its best evidence and CSI will have a four month period to produce its analytical report. The panel of judges will have two weeks to deliberate before presenting a winner with a check for $100,000.00.
After MUFON and CSI have publicly accepted the challenge I will set up a crowdfunding website for donations at tilt.com. The cool thing about this crowdfunding site is that those who pledge will not be charged unless the $100,000.00 level is first met. So if the whole $100,000.00 cannot be publicly raised than no one loses a dime.
The question is will MUFON and CSI take the UFO Best Evidence Challenge, or will they just pay lip service to their mission statements? The gauntlet has been thrown and I sincerely hope MUFON and CSI pick it up and embrace their raison d'être as nonprofits and more importantly allow the public to see real science at work – not the mockery of science that we are fed by the media machine. In the process may the best science win!
This is one of the issues I was going to raise. I'm of the belief that Bob did have a brief work history at said locations but that he was CHOSEN to be the 'leak'. I doubt it was his own free will, whether he's aware of that or not. I found A51s Snowden analogy to be accurate, but for different reasons to A51.
I still disagree with A51 ' s statements that we couldn't build our own 'UFO'S'. I don't believe them to be piloted tho. Some are, but not the ones that break the conventional laws of physics.
There is also a huge jump between lazar and Roswell, one that has not been satisfactorily demonstrated as far as I'm concerned.
Yes weapons based platforms as described by Dr Peter Beter.
Even discarnate entities have gave us in depth descriptions of these craft.
Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.
And the facts are, no one knows anything about the 'Roswell' type craft, not in the depths of the Lazar sports model anyway. The two cases are leaps and bounds from each other.
Not saying he was but the evidence says it is a possibility. The payoff? Well that would be the same as the Avro Saucer story.
I was in Canada at the time the story was still fresh. The news media had gotten wind that Canada and the USA was working on a secret base on the Alberta USA border on NAZI saucer technology captures in Europe. There were even maps of flight paths that showed a possible source of the Kenneth Arnold Saucer... It was this story that got me seriously into UFO'S when I was a kid...
So because too many looky loos were heading to Alberta... they released the Avro Car... and the Press and most everyone else went away laughing at the joke that was the Avro...
That completely removed the threat of curious onlookers at the time... So what do they have to gain?
Well Area 51 had the same situation... so give them what they want sorta. Area 51 is now a tourist hotspot but we see nothing new since Bob's et all videos
So like the Avro story the real work carries on elswhere
re: the Roswell connection
The most common reaction I get to my year of Roswell material is "Wow, and I thought I knew a lot about Roswell!"
Even among UFO believers, most have only ever heard about 'the crash', and those more aware, at most have heard about the Arnold sighting 2 weeks prior.
In general, the hurricane of sightings for that entire year is a pretty well kept secret, even in the UFO community.
This leaves that era ripe for closer examination. I continue to urge others to assist in doing so.
In looking over all the sightings for that year, several patterns quickly emerge. One of them is their extremely advanced capabilities.
The military also kept a close eye on who had what capabilities at any given time.
Even in theory, nobody could do what was being reported.
1947 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (was the most common report all year)
1989 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (in the Nevada desert)
I reckon they are related. ;)
I do have plans for a book about the Roswell year, and a movie about my experience in the desert.
pssssssssssttttt 51
you gonna sell em here?...or where?
I think there's a place on here for that
and if I ask real nice like will ya sign mine?
I don't pay for autographs but i'll pay extra postage cause it'll be heavier with the extra ink ;)
Awesome!! John's book should be ready soon :D And I hear errr a certain movie producer is looking to do a movie on Johns life.
you got a pub date yet or are you still typing? 8)
Awesome!! John's book should be ready soon :D And I hear errr a certain movie producer is looking to do a movie on Johns life.
Oh very cool! The book is what I'm most looking forward to. John has never been known to pull any punches. 8)
Ps. (Ron, if I've said anything here that you find questionable, feel free to edit it or delete it)
One question Who are you and what did you do with the REAL Sgt? :P
Hey Sin - I am always willing to entertain new evidence and theories, but have stated from the beginning I am a nuts and bolts kinda guy when it comes to UFO's.
And as such I tend to stick with what I (and we) have uncovered first hand, and don't go too far out on any limbs other than that.
All the rest could well be smoke and mirrors.
I am aware of many of the alternate theories out there, but to date still find their evidence lacking and am not convinced.
Many of us do read your links to alternative theories and encourage you to keep them coming.
Some will be convinced while others will not.
Can't be helped.
Sarge - George has been friends with John for a long time, long before Jeremy showed up.
I doubt he has any knowledge of his sketchy actions and would not approve if he found out.
Don't go painting George with the same brush until you get some proof he knows about it.
The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers.
Is Lazar and Bigelow partners and when was this corporation listed
Anyone!
Not seeing it come up either active or revoked Is that the registered name?
http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/
only reference I could find so far
http://area51looseends.blogspot.com/2011/10/lazar-story-fraud-for-bigelow-funding.html
Area 51 Loose ends by Glenn Campbell
Saturday, October 1, 2011
Some details not mentioned in the article..
•The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers. As the story goes, Lazar not only worked with Element 115; he managed to smuggle some of it out, and the corporation was somehow intended to test or exploit it. (So much for intense base security!
(How can a low-level employee smuggle what is arguably the most precious substance on Earth?)
We still don't know the purpose or business plan of the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation. The only thing certain is that it existed. We can also assume that when a private corporation is formed, its intent is to make money.
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I got this on the Bigelow Zeti Recticlui 2 : Zeta Reticuli 2, Incorporated 1/30/90Do you have a source for that?
YEAH BUT....
Where are the NEW updated Alien tech craft? :D
IF we reverse engineered them back then... surely by now we should see them landing at Nellis :P
Element 115 makes an appearance in Call of Duty ... the Story goes that the Nazi discovered it... and made Zombies.
This poop has still got hints of BS/ and Psy Ops written all over imo.
The case has similarities and characters familiar with known Psy Ops. I'd be daft to to dismiss the angle.
I haven't yet drawn any definitive conclusions.
Bob was the first whistleblower from S4 and his claims turned out to be true and available for anyone to verify for themselves.
So while the others may or may not be telling the truth, the only one I will put my money down on is Bob.
His information allowed me to see the big secret.
Nobody else's information has.
The fun only lasted at S4 until 1993 when they moved the party elsewhere.
At that point, they put up the ET highway sign and Glen Campbell showed up on the scene.
What a coincidence huh?
A guy who totally missed the party, now claiming to be the expert on S4 and Bob.
::)
Yes I have wondered about Glenn Campbell...
He is ex Military if I recall...
If he arrived late on the scene, was it coincidence or was he involved with something to maybe create situations while they moved the show...
If they have moved the Show to the likes of Wendover.. I wonder if there has been further sightings or is the New S4 in a place that no one in the public could ever witness anything.
Wendover is close to a HUGE Dry Desert Lake bed like Papoose..or Groom..
But a lot of it the public can view if they visit the area...(Not sure how many would however as it maybe only used for the occasional testing of land vehicles or certain related events)
If I new there was a place where its possible to view something, I would like to check out the area sometime..
You must have missed my reply in another thread stating we now have proof that Dugway is the new home of S4.
Tom Bedlam over at ATS methioned Dugway when he told me about a beam weapon test there. He pointed me to some images of that test caught by the local UFO watchers
Here is the article
http://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skywatch_UTTR_72204.htn
I think that I did miss this video...Very Interesting if that is from Dugway in MAY earlier this year !
Is that the same UFO Hunters that did the TV series do you know ?
If so, I cant recall if it was you who said that you new them or Shot in the Dark (Dan)!
At the moment I think little has been posted online about Dugway or potential UFO sightings in that area.
Those objects whatever they are...some maybe seemed like triangles and others seemed some sort of combined or may flying very close together in formation..
UUFOH REPORT <------
UUFOH Skywatch, UTTR -Dugway Proving Grounds Area
Friday -Saturday 6/11-6/12 -2004
Photo/Video Results - Health concerns
Below are comments from UUFOH Team members and associates that will remain anomynous:
> I have more weirdness to come about the last skywatch.
I was wondering about how your pictures turned out from the skywatch. Most of my video and pictures are garbage, do you have the same problem? And, how's your health. We were exposed to some nasty radiation and I'm wondering if your OK.
> I had some problems with the development of the pictures. I asked about the problems with the clerk and she thought that I had been exposed to x-rays. Have you, or anyone else, had any problems with your pictures?
> At first I thought the green lights were caused by a developing problem. But since they're not on all of the pictures they have to be something that occurred at the time. I asked the clerk about the problem and she thought it was caused by radiation! How's your health? Besides the nighttime sunburn I got, I've been feeling crappy all week. Let me know what's happening. Talk to you later.....
> I got absolutely nothing on video. Just black nothingness. and my 35mm pics didn't show anything either,..........
> .....just wondering if you started having any allergy symptoms after Friday. It may just be a coincidence, but I am getting clobbered by allergies starting Sunday.
> the 'Dugway Lights'. rumoured code words from Predator to Pegasus keep popping up. ... a smaller ground version ....When aimed and focused into a large hostile crowd and fired, the resulting effect is an immediate immobilization of the crowd. Of course, the case study's have not concluded if any after effect's or injuries remain to those in the crowd. ......cannot see how this weapon can be used without causing some sort of blindness due to the intense light that you may have witnessed.
> No I haven't noticed anything other than the minor sunburn.
We also noticed:
- the smell of ozone and a strange burning like smell.
- a fog bank out of nowhere, that flooded the area,
- a large mil. plane possibly recording or witnessing the test. (plus other UMO's or UFO's)
- Two way radio failure, problems
- that the light produced was at least two times brighter than Wendover (visible). and would have been easily seen by anyone (hundreds) traveling on I-80 -during that time ( Friday night- Wendover. (also visible)
- possible and most likely camouflaged surveillance (security patrol) in area.
- bombing? heard in the morning but not seen.
- possibly a minor sunburn? (noticed the next morning by three members)
- various allergy symptoms
- extreme tiredness and lack of energy for a few days
- some members fell ill / sick for a few days
- some 35mm photo negatives/ film showed strange green lines or marks, on numerous pics.
The Photo processor said it might possibly have been caused by radiation or x-rays.
WOW! Impressive power display! Never seen anything like it. but was concerned a bit about the amount of power displayed and our safety of being exposed to it. Were we in any rad exposure or health danger? other?
Whatever they are, image processing shows that they display the same energy rings and gravity fields underneath as mine and Bob's footage, which no other craft or light exhibit.
Recall my footage of craft very close together pulsing.
Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the "black government" are:
Standard Oil, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonald-Douglas, AT&T, IT&T, the A. Matthews Construction company, the Robbins Company, the Utah Mining Company, and a host of others.
By: Shadow UFO'S, The Greys And The Secret Government
GROUND ZERO - DUGWAY
THE DESERT,
THE DEPOT,
THE DANGER
By Alien Dave
The Utah UFO Hunters 2002
CHEMICAL DETECTORS -- Galore.....
as we traveled south out of Tooele and into Utah's west desert.
An hour before we had decided to head out to Dugway or the nearby Area, to get some good shots for a TV pilot Clyde and crew is currently working on.
Clyde contacted me, (Alien Dave) interested in hanging out while he was in Salt Lake City. Do an interveiw and get the low down on current UFO activity, hotspots, and UFO Footage. set up some contacts, hang out, etc..
So here we were, heading out to one of the Scariest Places on Earth. an area called the New AREA 51 - Clyde, his crew, me, a mini van, recording equipment, and a determined attitude.
The Air grew thick and the Chem detectors were abundant, as we moved in on the Deseret Chemical Depot, where they destroy chemical nerve agents and bio weapons.
A week before a mysterious intruder was spotted on the Depot grounds, dressed in all black. The Depot security, troops, dogs, FBI, and even a state police helicopter with thermal imaging cameras, (FLUR) couldn't find the intruder. Sounds real funny to me. In my eyes there is no excuse for not finding the intruder, in this rual, desolate area, with so many involved.
This event still has no explanation.
We stopped and got out at the entrance to the Depot, streched, got into position and shot a take, (which was the only one Clyde's crew got in at this location.)
As we approched the fence and walked onto the road, we noticed a Humvee coming down the road. Someone said "here comes security"
The Humvee slowed and stopped in front of the van. We nervously walked back towards them. The well armed military vehicle alone was enough deterant to humble us and make us uneasy about being there . We were told to leave imediately. We agreed. As we were doing so, the heavily armed Humvee and its military passengers left, a few minutes later, here comes a couple white SUVs. From Wackenhut? The white security SUVs did a blocking manuvere in back of us. keeping us there until ? We confronted one of them, he didn't say much, nor did his backup which was now out of his vehicle, and showing off his weapon, drawn, by his side, after a few minutes it was holstered, but a nervous hand was polishing the handle.
We told them the military troops in the Humvee was more than enough deterrant to make us leave. We got the hint, we are leaving. One of the jeeps moved to make way for us to leave.We quickly got into the van and got the hell out of there! Before the "Wackenhut" gaurds got personal and performed a full body cavity search.
Whew! ... we got out of there without being the next chemical test guniea pig,
or Desert "Deliverance" victims.
The Entrance Sign at Deseret Chemical Depot
Even though we were still on BLM property, and had every right to be there, we were glad to get out of there without incident, or further harassment. A few days before, a Intruder scare at the Depot has the security hightened and on edge.
Without a believable answer to exactly what happened out there regarding the mysterious intruder, dressed in black, disappearing without a trace, some of us have come with possible scenarios, and theories, such as a possible MIB? non-human envolvement? or other? but thats another story.
see the Dugway The NEW AREA 51 page for links to articles on this story.
We headed towards Dugway and pulled off on a side road that had some great shots of the bunkers and barracks.
Clyde was finally able to get some video pieces done and not be harrassed by "Security"
On a rual desert backroad, with a Secret Base in the backround, Clyde did his thing. the way he does, with style, and a dark overtone.
After the hostile Dugway Encounter, we headed for a location were I had taken daylight footage of a UFO in 98. We did a little shoot there before we lost the light to the night.
We headed back to the studio, and bullpoop'd for a while. Going over what had happened out at Dugway, the strangeness, and almost deadly events that unfolded, before calling it a night.
Clyde continued his quest for cool and possibly dangerous paranormal locations over the weekend. Getting up to date on Utah's UFO activity. Hooking up with Alan Meyer a local Paranormal Investigator, and doing an interview with him, As well as the Paranormal and Ghost activity, with the Utah Ghost Hunters Society.
It was Great hanging out with Clyde, Meeting the man behind the smooth voice. Doing some paranormal recon, and Ground Zero'ing Dugway. I'm honored that Clyde contacted me for an interview, and spent some time with me while he was in Salt Lake. I hope We get to do it again sometime ...............but...
"Next time Clyde,
were heading out to a really scary spot !"
Again A 51....Thanks for confirming that those images were similar to yours and Bobs video footage... good to know !
Just out of curiousity, if you look at the last article website that "Z" posted on Dugway....what some of the viewers who skywatched said about possible Radiation effects both to their cameras and them selves ..Seems rather a concern..
Also I don't know if you noted my comment on Jessie Ventures Conspiracy Program on A51 about Holograms originating from Area 51...
I would like to see if we can eliminate the possibilities behind this being what maybe seen in all the video footages somehow...just to clear such other options.
Or it maybe that they do sometime use this to create images of UFOs as well as have their own... They MAY need the real thing to make projections of them...even if recorded..
what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18rbte_conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-area-51_shortfilms
Yeah in hindsight it was a concern for me, considering how close they got on 2 occasions that night, when they landed and when they flew overhead.
Any projection from A51 would have the problem of a hill in the way (look again at the map I provided of the testing area) and also Joshua trees and Cactus in the area interrupting the beam.
Also not only do you have to project an image (photons), you have to stop the image (photons) at a desired location.
And then move the stop location around?
I viewed the craft in front of me and behind me and overhead.
No projection beam seen or image interrupted.
Too many problems with moveable open air projections in the desert to account for viewers from any angle at any distance.
Armap explained some of the problems earlier.
...One thing that surprised me.... is that they operated the Saucers from an area that they could be seen from a public Highway or even flew them directly over the 375 HW..
The other issue that I have is certain workers who were at Area 51 deny ever knowing anything about such Craft... yet they were flying the Saucers over the Groom Lake area....NOT keeping it well away behind the Papoose Mountain range...
Even on the Night Shift there would be quite a lot of Staff working at the Groom Lake part of Area 51..
That sort of frustrates me... that many Area 51 workers claimed not to be aware of the Saucer test Flights.
In relation to Holograms..
I dont claim to know that much about them..
But recently China has admitted to having developed 3D Holgram technology.
They say Technology at Area 51 is 50 years or more ahead of what we know...
In the Overall situation...IF they could create a Hologram of a Flying Saucer... over all it maybe what we would see above when it flies thru the air..
If it did appear to land in the desert within or behind Cactus/ Joshua trees..
Depending How close one was to it when it landed..IF you were very Close up....ie within what we may interpret as an acceptable distance..be it 100 metres or 1 KM...
Then I would see your point..
but otherwise..
I would have thought that one would need to be higher up to tell
what the visual effects may be when witnessing it..
I say this as I have seen the terrain around that area and I know some of those trees in certain higher parts can seem quite dense and would block the view out when the craft landed..
so unless it did land quite close to the observer... I am not convinced that one could make any real judgement on if what one was witnessing or had prior witnesses as it appeared to be landing.. as to if it was a real object or Part of the Hologram projection.
Then even if one was Higher up on some higher ground... if it was quite far away on landing.. maybe a mile away or more.... I still doubt it would be possible to tell the difference..
What I do NOT Know however is Just how they may project such a hologram....and maybe based on what has been mentioned before... in theory as we had discussed before..(with ArMaP). it it did not seem possible, based on the technology we were presently aware about..
Could they some how project it from something ABOVE like a Satellite or from Bald Mountain High up...
That Maybe a possibility...
But it is still something that I would like to try to eliminate..which may require certain Scientists or engineers to try to explain..and I am not sure how one finds such persons or gets them to discuss such things..
But Generally I do agree this seems generally a less likely situation.. and I maybe trying to be consider too much of an alternative to the reality of what you witnessed.
Yeah it surprised me too! I thought they would stay on their side of the border and test, and we would get to watch from afar.
The best reason I have been able to come up with, is that in case something goes wrong while test flying one of these craft and it slams into the ground or explodes in the air, the explosion does not vaporize the S4 base and it's irreplaceable contents.
So go outside the fence and play kids.
While possibly being too close to a radiation field is one concern, I also have concerns about being subjected to a time/space distortion field.
How to avoid your beam being deflected by local vegetation like Cactus and Joshua trees while on the ground is another problem.
Another problem for this theory is the shadows cast by the craft when they get very bright.
Shadows from the trees and vegetation fall in 360 degree angles all the way around the craft, showing the craft to be the center of the light source.
The shadows change in length and direction reacting to the position of the craft.
Kind of like having stadium lights on a trailer, except this light shines 360 degrees all at once instead of one direction.
And pointing the projector in my direction and moving it around would give away it's location.
I'll tell you one thing though... the cammo dudes around the perimeter know EXACTLY what's going on. How could they NOT??
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Notice how BLUE our skies are out here and how EMPTY it is.. NO ONE around for hundreds of square miles :D
And on a very rare occasion we get some snow for a few weeks Not this year though Thanksgiving Day is usuallty the coldest day and we are already hit 65F My roses are starting to bloom.
Yes it is quite amazing just how much land you can pass and see no one...
Is around Area 51 also likely to have similar weather conditions and temps as what Vegas has lately...
I would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.
In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day ! :P
Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on ! ???
Whats that Bundy Cow doing on Area 51s land :D Has the ETs took it for a ride their ;D
Bundy Ranch (and Johns Mine) are close to Sandia Those coes roam far but that image may not have been at Area 51 :P Bundy's cows are the only free range cows left BLM just rounded up the last Nevada Wild Mustangs at Cold Creek... Bloody TERRORISTS :P
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I would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.
Too far south :P but My Charlston gets snow Its at 11,000 feet So you can go sking in the morning and go boating on lake mead in the afternoon :P
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In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day ! :P
Yes same up the Western USA unusually warm last winter and this one I already have roses blooming
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Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on ! ???
Global warming precurser to the next Ice Age :P
Its rather a thought raising point...
They initially would have took off from Papoose Lake bed base..Either go around or across the Papoose Range Mountains, then either across Groom...and over the mountain ridge that led to the 375 HW...or maybe they could have flown then to the South and into the Tickaboo Valley... then upto the Area where you witnessed them from. To the South there are other large Dry Lake beds that can lead to the Tikaboo valley.. that generally would have made them much harder to be seen both by anyone who may have been in the Area 51 building or close to Groom Lake... BUT you may be right.. At Night it maybe few Staff would be able to venture outside anyway or they would be too far away to tell what the objects were if they did fly closer by over Groom..
Generally also the Staff levels would be much less on the night shift....and maybe back then overall the staff levels were less than today..
They also may even be able to fly to areas so fast or just seem to appear at locations totally undetected..from some of the comments that you had previously suggested..
They could also detect when or if any Lorry's or vehicles would be approaching the area..At Night generally it is much less.
That is something else to consider other than radiation ???
"The Space time distortion effects." :o :-\
Have you ever managed to discuss this with anyone in more detail ? or with Bob !
Very Thought provoking :P
Can I ask do you care to share any thoughts on what the effects may have been for that ?
How it may have effected you if it was to have occurred !
Now that maybe getting very deep !...
When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..
How far away from them would you estimate ?
maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?
Well a CAD drawing analysis of the frame in my video that shows a cammo dude driving down mailbox road with a craft in the air above him, shos the craft to be 2000 ft away based on it being 50 ft wide. My estimate when they landed appeared to be about a 1/2 mile away maybe 7/10 at the most.
Can you also remind me How Long you would estimate that you were able to observe the Saucers for ?
An hour or more ? upto 3 hrs ?
Yeah close to 3 hours.
When you visited did you come from the Las Vegas Area ? or from the Northern approach on the 375 HW ?
If from the L.Vegas approach side... could you notice anything when you first arrive at the high point on the 375 HW (closer to Tikaboo Mtn) ?
The Las Vegas approach side. From mailbox road east towards the 93 junction, hwy 375 is a long straight shot until you hit the first big corner. That corner has a nice pullover area to scout the terrain ahead and a clear view of the test area.
I would have thought that if the Saucers were flying early on when you arrived that it would have been also a good vantage point to get an good overall wide range view of what the craft were doing..
That is IF you were able to realise what they were when 1st arriving....as maybe it took some time to really catch on what was happening I could imagine..
Yes at first I did not realize what was going on. I scouted the road ahead of me to see if it was clear, then began scanning the Groom mountain range for signs of activity. As my eyes adjusted to the dark I noticed 2 stars doing high speed darting movements, abruptly stopping and hovering then returning to their starting point in another high speed hop. Also doing some weird wobbling so obviously these were not stars. They started from, and returned to, this area -
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Upon realizing what I was seeing, I jumped back in my car and drove full speed down to mailbox road for a closer look and started filming.
What height ranges would you estimate that the craft were during the time you viewed them
and to
What distances would you say that you witnessed in terms of what was the furthest point that you saw them go to... around that area ?
North, South, West ?
In the center of the test area the usually stayed just under the mountain peak. During maneuvers they usually stayed below the Groom mountain ridge line, but not always. On long distance hops they would hop above the ridge line and out of sight.
Did you see them go as far North as Coyote Summit.. that is towards the Rachel approach on the HW375.
Very fast long hops that out of sight in that direction. Most other hops in other directions were about 5 miles usually
I assume that they didnt go any further east past the 375 HW..
Yes one went behind me on mailbox road across 375, see the map above
What you say about the light effects and shadows seems very interesting..and if I visualise it correctly.. it .have been something un witnessed before for anything else one could think of in terms of human design crafts.
I should imagine it was really a weird experience...
If I recall you said the lights on the Saucer at time could be or were sun light or Nuclear Flash like intensity...
but to see a 360 cast shadow effect on this on say a hovering craft closer to when landing or flying over does seem impressive..
Its a shame that you were not able to video some real closer ups of those effects if that would have been possible.
In looking back it's a miracle I got out with my hide and the footage I took.
Since this was pre- internet it was very difficult to keep up on who was successfully getting out there to witnesses tests and getting out with their footage.
Most failures I read about were due to poor planning and execution. Telegraphing your presence before the tests even began were a primary cause of failure in many cases.
Being detected and having your gear confiscated was also high on the list.
So getting any 'real closer ups of those effects' as you say, I judged to be too big a risk at that moment in time, I was running pretty much on instinct to avoid capture and continue witnessing the tests.
When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..
How far away from them would you estimate ?
maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?
A51 Watcher
Well a CAD drawing analysis of the frame in my video that shows a cammo dude driving down mailbox road with a craft in the air above him, shos the craft to be 2000 ft away based on it being 50 ft wide. My estimate when they landed appeared to be about a 1/2 mile away maybe 7/10 at the most.
Where would you say they landed in relation to either the Mail Box / M.B Rd or Groom Lake Road.
If I recall.. does the Mail Box Rd link to Groom Lake Rd ? both starting from the 375 HW ... or does the Mail Box Rd also have a path that runs parallel to Groom Lake Rd ?..
So was it maybe closer to the 375 HW end rather than the area where you say the Saucers tended to be in the Map Image elipse area that you posted..?
Astr0
Yeah if you draw a line from the center of the red zone to the mailbox I would say they were bout 1/2 way there maybe a little closer, I'd say in the tan section for sure, past the blue/green section.
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...
People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.
Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"
It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings
John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.
It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.
And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den... even I don't get over there much because of my own issues
Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...
John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...
When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...
But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy and he even gave himself top billing...
When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us. I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access
I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts he really didn't know.