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Title: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on July 14, 2015, 01:34:36 pm
(ED note: I find it impossible to resist the urge to say - I TOLD YOU SO!!  :P :P :P )

Bob Lazar is the alleged UFO whistleblower whose claims of working on back engineering alien spacecraft at Area 51 have made the secretive base famous. Officials have denied his claims that he worked for the government as a scientist, and, until now, no one has ever come forth to say otherwise. However, in a recent interview a documentary filmmaker shared statements he was given by a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories in which he claims to have met Lazar at Los Alamos and can confirm he was employed as a physicist.

Lazar first began leaking information to the media about his alleged job back engineering alien spacecraft in the late 1980s. He says he worked at an underground lab called S-4 that is south of the main Area 51 base. At first he appeared in interviews with investigative journalist George Knapp on KLAS News, the Las Vegas CBS affiliate, under a pseudonym with his face in the shadows.

Eventually, he allowed himself to be filmed in the light and shared his real identity. Meanwhile, his story, and the Area 51 base itself, became famous. Making the mystery even more compelling was the fact that, at the time, Area 51’s very existence was denied by the US government. Even though KLAS and other Las Vegas news agencies had been investigating the base for years.

All of this fueled the legends and the notoriety of Area 51, making it all at once the most secretive as well as one of the most famous US government installations.

Lazar claims that he was fired for sharing information about his top secret job, and his records of his employment of working as a scientist, as well as his education records were erased. Nellis Air Force Base, who administers Area 51, as well as Los Alamos National Laboratories, another place Lazar claimed to have worked as a scientist, both denied Lazar worked for them.

Researchers also could not find any records supporting Lazar’s claims of having received degrees at Caltech and MIT. They could not even find anyone who claimed to have remembered going to school with Lazar.

This was one of the topics of discussion Sunday night on the wildly popular Coast to Coast AM syndicated paranormal radio show. Knapp hosted the show, and the guest was Jeremy Corbell, a documentary filmmaker with several films in the works, one of them about Lazar.

Knapp says he has had to deal with the education issue, but he can look past it. He said, “For me the key issue is whether or not Lazar really did work at Los Alamos National Lab. If he worked there in a scientific or technical position, if he had security clearances, then, I think, that could justify the idea that he would be hired to work at a place like Area 51. So that was always a central question.”

Although Knapp is certain Lazar worked as a scientist at Los Alamos, many remains skeptical. The phone book he mentioned does not list the capacity in which Lazar worked at Los Alamos, and newspapers are easily fooled. That, along with the fact those none of his coworkers have come forward publicly to support Lazar’s claims, has made many doubt he is a scientist at all.

However, using some innovative research techniques, Corbell was able to find a witness willing to go on the record. Corbell says in researching Lazar’s claims he used a “bot” – software that can run automated tasks over the internet – to search Facebook for keywords. His bot found him a comment in a Facebook group from a man who said his neighbor claimed to have worked with Lazar.

Corbell got in contact with the man, who eventually got him in touch with the neighbor, who turned out be a legitimate physicist that Corbell was able to confirm did work at Los Alamos.

Corbell asked the physicist, Dr. Robert Krangle, if he would be willing to go public with his claims, and he said yes.
Corbell shared some sound clips of an interview with Krangle. Krangle says that he worked on and off as a contractor for Los Alamos throughout the 80s, and still does occasionally.

“I was doing design project this, or an ancillary engineering. Their engineers have been beating a problem, and sometimes they get to close to a problem, so they can’t see the forest for the trees, so they bring in people like me as an outside contact to see what’s going on,” explained Krangle.

Krangle says he graduated from MIT in 1973 with a degree in semi-conductor physics.

Corbell says he has found an article that listed Krangle’s credentials. Krangle also showed Corbell IDs showing he worked at other facilities doing high tech work, such as China Lake, Kirtland Air Force Base, Los Alamos, Sandia, and the Manzano weapons storage facility.

Corbell asked Krangle directly if he knew Lazar to be working as a physicist at Los Alamos, to which Krangle says he was certain.

“He was a physicist. Which, I am a physicist. We kind of recognize each other, you know it’s the classic pocket condom with all of the proper different colored pens, so he fit that mold. If nobody would have told me, one look, he is a physicist. You know, he is properly dressed in geekdom,” Krangle told Corbell.

Not only did he look the part, but Krangle says he attended security meetings with Lazar. He explained that in these meetings “they give you the usual briefing asking you not to talk about that you are doing or seeing.”

As for what specifically Lazar was working on, Krangle says, “I didn’t know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to.”

Krangle also says he understood why Lazar’s employers were so upset with him.

“I understand how Los Alamos would blackball him. He committed professional suicide,” Krangle explained. “He broke from the fold and talked about it.

Within that security community. It is that mentality: ‘Don’t talk about what you do.'”

Knapp asked Corbell why Krangle would be sharing this information if he knew he could also get in trouble. Corbell said that Krangle is “just one of those renegades.” He explained that Krangle no longer makes a living off of his Los Alamos contracts, so he isn’t worried about it.

No doubt detractors of Lazar’s claims will be doing further research into Krangle’s background, but it could be that the question of whether Lazar is a scientist has finally been resolved. The question also remains, if Lazar really did work at Los Alamos, why are they hiding that information??


[youtube]Fx1dYQ-xQEY[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx1dYQ-xQEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx1dYQ-xQEY)


More info here -

http://www.openminds.tv/physicist-claims-bob-lazar-did-work-at-los-alamos/34156 (http://www.openminds.tv/physicist-claims-bob-lazar-did-work-at-los-alamos/34156)

eta: C2C show in question -

[youtube]fB6CnUcxLQo[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6CnUcxLQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6CnUcxLQo)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on July 14, 2015, 02:25:48 pm
(ED note: I find it impossible to resist the urge to say - I TOLD YOU SO!!  :P :P :P )

Well DO try to show some restraint :P

 ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on July 14, 2015, 04:31:11 pm





bwhahahahahahahahahah  labeling error..known gov tactic


 so he wasn't employed as a scientist ..did anyone ask if he was employed as a physicist
or if he was just employed there at all ?


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Bob Lazar is the alleged UFO whistleblower whose claims of working on back engineering alien spacecraft at Area 51 have made the secretive base famous. Officials have denied his claims that he worked for the government as a scientist, and, until now, no one has ever come forth to say otherwise. However, in a recent interview a documentary filmmaker shared statements he was given by a physicist who worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories in which he claims to have met Lazar at Los Alamos and can confirm he was employed as a physicist.



high five 51
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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 14, 2015, 04:59:32 pm
Knapp and his UFO road warrior dog, Corbell are milking this for all they can get. Follow the money. Whores and clearances don't mix. And they do give your background and anal exam. This story is such BS!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 14, 2015, 06:20:12 pm
Knapp and his UFO road warrior dog, Corbell are milking this for all they can get. Follow the money. Whores and clearances don't mix. And they do give your background and anal exam. This story is such BS!

Greetings Sgt.Rocknroll:

So, you are saying, unequivocally, that Bob Lazar never was working as a physicist OR scientist at Los Alamos?

Thanking you in advance for your reply.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)

With great respect,
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 14, 2015, 07:46:27 pm
What I'm saying is to work at a place like that, doing the things he said he did, you have to have at minimum a TSC with untold accesses. To get that they conduct heavy background checks by the FBI. You don't get caught running whores and then get a TSC! Anything remotely negative that can jeopardize that, you get excluded. That's a fact! He may have had a minor job in an unsecured area out there. That's possible. Do I think he was a patsy for someone else spilling the beans? Absolutely! I think he was fed info to funnel to John. But he had to have a cover story and the rest as they say is history. That's my belief.

Peace  8)
Rock

Ps...I had a TSC  in the Army. A little 20 year old nobody from New Iberia Louisiana. The FBI sought out people that I went to high school with and interviewed them about me. And I didn't run any whores!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on July 14, 2015, 08:03:36 pm
What I'm saying is to work at a place like that, doing the things he said he did, you have to have at minimum a TSC with untold accesses. To get that they conduct heavy background checks by the FBI. You don't get caught running whores and then get a TSC! Anything remotely negative that can jeopardize that, you get excluded. That's a fact! He may have had a minor job in an unsecured area out there. That's possible. Do I think he was a patsy for someone else spilling the beans? Absolutely! I think he was fed info to funnel to John. But he had to have a cover story and the rest as they say is history. That's my belief.

Peace  8)
Rock

Ps...I had a TSC  in the Army. A little 20 year old nobody from New Iberia Louisiana. The FBI sought out people that I went to high school with and interviewed them about me. And I didn't run any whores!

You got your wires crossed Sarge.

You are messing up your timelines badly.

Also, Bob never "ran whores" as you put it, but we'll get to that in a moment.

First off that incident never occurred until AFTER Bob was terminated from Area 51 for quite a while and was working a variety of odd jobs and contracts to pay the bills.

Secondly, what he did for the brothel in question was to - Install a computer system for them.

Thirdly, prostitution is LEGAL in ALL of Nevada in case you didn't know. Oh yeah all except for one little county, which said brothel happened to be in.

Now back to the main premise - Bob attended TS meetings at Los Alamos and of course already had the required TS clearance to do so, and was seen there by fellow Physicist Dr. Kringle. Thus getting a clearance upgrade to work at S4 was not much of an obstacle.

Now to be employed as a Physicist there, and to be allowed to operate their multi- million dollar behemoth particle accelerator, he of course had the degrees from universities he said he did, as well as past employment history, as verified by his clearance background check.   
 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 14, 2015, 08:33:09 pm
I might be corrected on the timeline about his whores but I can get you other info that will shoot holes in the above bunkum. More later. I believe he was coached and didn't have the degrees he said he did nor the clearances. As for Kringle all I'll say at this point is follow the money. More later.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on July 14, 2015, 08:40:26 pm
I might be corrected on the timeline about his whores...

Then if that is the case then the entire premise for your dispariging remarks about Bob falls apart then doesn't it?

No perceived immoral activity to obstruct his getting a clearance right?

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on July 14, 2015, 09:25:46 pm

OP in this thread amended to add the C2C show in question.

See end of OP.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on July 14, 2015, 10:24:40 pm
Whores and clearances don't mix.

A little surprised here at your lack of research

A 1991 Los Angeles Times article reported that Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada on a pandering charge for having installed a computer system for an illegal brothel (while a few brothels are legal in some counties of Nevada, prostitution is illegal in Clark County).

[youtube]tkuhg1FryNU[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkuhg1FryNU

So your assessment of Bob "running whores"  is a)BOGUS and b) the incident happened years AFTER he spilled the beans...

Things like this is what just make the water even muddier

 ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on July 14, 2015, 10:56:28 pm
Then if that is the case then the entire premise for your dispariging remarks about Bob falls apart then doesn't it?

No, that's a logical fallacy.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on July 14, 2015, 11:00:16 pm
What muddies the waters are people spinning mis/disinformation for covert and superficial purposes.

The whole 80's era in UFOlogy is so far muddied, we'd be killed drinking it.

Best thing to do is distill it completely, or disregard it completely.

Lazar et al are old news, time to move down more credible and reliable avenue's.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on July 14, 2015, 11:27:04 pm
time to move down more credible and reliable avenue's.

Anyone in mind?  :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on July 15, 2015, 02:34:44 am
     
      "Lazar et al are old news"

I don't think the Lazar episode can be dismissed so flippantly.
To many the case was pivotal and remains unique.
If it happened today it would be mind blowing.
Just as it was when it broke.
The time factor changes nothing.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 15, 2015, 04:32:10 am
A little surprised here at your lack of research
Yes I am too...lack of sleep and meds does that from time to time.... >:(  :-X
I normally keep my mouth shut here as I have enemies.... ::) :-X
I have learned a valuable lesson...:-X
And I have no excuses...my fault for leaving myself wide open, which I don't normally do...
I have LEARNED.... ::)

So your assessment of Bob "running whores"  is a)BOGUS and b) the incident happened years AFTER he spilled the beans...

Things like this is what just make the water even muddier

 ::)
I doubt my assesment, however flawed, matters much here, but only to give my enemies ammo....

As I said earlier...more info coming.... 8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on July 15, 2015, 04:58:09 am
As long as this story has gone on... there are some unusual things that are hard to accept..

and some of the answers to things like his connection with the brothel..and his qualifications seem to be the main things that initially get raised ,seem to be  acceptable by some and not by others..this being before one looks into the Area 51 / S4 side of the story.

My self I can only go on my thoughts on what A51 has shown as so far with his videos that do seem to me very realistic that they are indeed something unique..

whethers its ET or manmade may never be known.

I think that there seems high probability possibility that
what Bob  John Lear and Gene Huff witnessed was truth. They certainly were altogther at Area 51 from  the video / photos of them.

So I stick in believe in that until someone disproves it..

If it somehow is just a hoax.. then one wonders was all this well planned in advance and is this all the next steps to it..and is George Knapp milking it..

and one wonders what may happen next...

So far I am not sure if he has said much about A51s material... or is he slowly going to lead to that..
or he may even have new thoughts on the whole agenda...its hard to say..

With Ref to Bob having worked at Los Alomos..prior to this threads ref to it..

I read on Stanton Friedmans  website that .. that says he worked ast Los Alomos but helping Scientists / Professors  ...see bottom of article for this statement.

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I should add that Bob is a bright and talented guy who operated a jet powered car, put on fireworks displays, and apparently helped physics professors working at the Los Alamos Meson accelerator facility.

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07


Not sure if we could trust this website but This article below suggest he was only a contractor who worked there.


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Except, as pointed out by ufologist Stanton Friedman, the directory includes not just employees of Los Alamos, but employees of the Department of Energy and an outside contractor, Kirk-Mayer. The designation “K/M” follows Lazar’s name, indicating he worked for Kirk-Mayer, not Los Alamos. Lazar evidently worked at Los Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist.

And I have neve seen this suggestion made before that there may have been two Bob Lazars.:o .

or maybe its just showing the two opposing sides to what we believed to know about him.
I cannot as yet really grasp what it refers to.

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What you may not realize is that there are two Bob Lazars..
The first Bob Lazar was born in Florida in 1959, and was soon adopted by a successful businessman and his wife. He graduated from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Long Island. In the late ’70s the Lazar family relocated to Woodland Hills, California. Bob took some electronics courses at Pierce College in Los Angeles and worked at Fairchild Electronics. In 1980 he married the first of three wives, Carol, in Woodland Hills. Two years later the couple moved to Los Alamos, New Mexico, where Lazar established himself as a photo developer. In 1985 the couple invested heavily in a local brothel known as the Honeysuckle Ranch.

The other Bob Lazar was also born in Florida in 1959, adopted, and transplanted to California as a teen. But he somehow managed to gain entrance to MIT and Cal Tech, despite being in the bottom third of his graduating class. He acquired a Masters degree in electronic engineering from MIT while simultaneously living in the Southwest. He then earned a doctorate in physics from Cal Tech without attending a single class. While finishing university, he magically became a senior staff physicist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, designing components for nuclear weapons systems. Wow. This Bob Lazar has some serious science chops. He could kick the other Bob Lazar’s ass.

http://swallowingthecamel.me/2009/08/31/hoaxes-from-space-part-i-bob-lazar/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on July 15, 2015, 10:26:15 pm
and some of the answers to things like his connection with the brothel..and his qualifications seem to be the main things that initially get raised ,seem to be  acceptable by some and not by others..this being before one looks into the Area 51 / S4 side of the story.

Well you need to understand ONE THING Brothels here in most of Nevada are LEGAL. I myself put in a security system in one brothel in Pahrump (In Nye County just 30 minutes over the hill from Las Vegas) and several strip clubs as well.  So just because brothels are considered evil in other states, it's just another business here and they use alarm systems for the same reasons you do  safety and security  and they use computer systems to handles their LEGAL accounts

So this is a RED HERRING... just something to use to drag someone through the mud.

Bob was also taken to court for selling chemicals that COULD be used for illegal fireworks. Some states have banned chemicals like SULFUR because yes it can be used for fireworks. But it is also used for rocket fuel, gun powder, food processing and USED to be in any Chemistry Set you buy at a science shop.  Today you cannot find a chemistry set in most states unless it has baking soda and vinegar.  In many states you need a PERMIT to own lab equipment because you MIGHT be running a Meth Lab in your Garage...

I had an incident at my house when a cop looking for a gang banger hiding in back yards entered my garage ILLEGALLY and saw my mineral assay lab. Next day I had two detectives at the door wanting to see m Meth Lab...  Fortunately these detectives had brains and it was easy work proving it was an assay lab. I got the Captains personal apology verbally and in writing and I dropped it  but using such cases to attack Bob is wrong when you don't have the facts.

He was also a "person of interest" because his company sold Polonium samples.  They are LEGAL   But because the stuff was used to poison someone (not Bob's samples. the uneducated cops hassled him anyway

I have several boxes of very HOT radioactive specimens in my garage  mainly Betafite Crystals  worth a lot of money (though they do deteriorate) also about a pound of Franklinite  also very hot but really glows nice under UV light

Fortunately I live in Nevada  Sulfur, Chem Labs and radioactive rocks are still legal :P  And the US Mail does have a way to ship them as long as it is labeled HAZMAT

So Debate Bob's story on it's own merits  and stop dragging in the other nonsense.

My self I can only go on my thoughts on what A51 has shown as so far with his videos that do seem to me very realistic that they are indeed something unique..

whethers its ET or manmade may never be known.

I think that there seems high probability possibility that
what Bob  John Lear and Gene Huff witnessed was truth. They certainly were altogther at Area 51 from  the video / photos of them.

So I stick in believe in that until someone disproves it..

If it somehow is just a hoax.. then one wonders was all this well planned in advance and is this all the next steps to it..and is George Knapp milking it..

and one wonders what may happen next...

So far I am not sure if he has said much about A51s material... or is he slowly going to lead to that..
or he may even have new thoughts on the whole agenda...its hard to say..

With Ref to Bob having worked at Los Alomos..prior to this threads ref to it..

I read on Stanton Friedmans  website that .. that says he worked ast Los Alomos but helping Scientists / Professors  ...see bottom of article for this statement.

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07


Not sure if we could trust this website but This article below suggest he was only a contractor who worked there.


And I have neve seen this suggestion made before that there may have been two Bob Lazars.:o .

or maybe its just showing the two opposing sides to what we believed to know about him.
I cannot as yet really grasp what it refers to.

http://swallowingthecamel.me/2009/08/31/hoaxes-from-space-part-i-bob-lazar/
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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 12, 2015, 01:59:55 pm
[youtube]tkuhg1FryNU[/youtube]

**AMAZING** Rare Bob Lazar Court Case Footage Revealing The Existence Of W2 Form. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkuhg1FryNU)

Published on Jun 4, 2014
Very Rare footage of the sentencing of Physicist Robert Lazar in a Nevada court in 1990.

Listen carefully to the judge's comments regarding this case.


*Rare Footage* From court revealing Bob Lazars Naval Intelligence W2 Form existed. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1078193/pg1#pid19645161)


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/ats_olaru12_boblazar_TLM.png)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/BobLazar_W-2-navalIntel.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Gigas on August 12, 2015, 03:40:41 pm
Bob Lazar is an enigma. He is what is known as a twilight creature. He operates in several realms and maybe one of three Bob Lazars in the three realities. He is like Michael Reconsuito who is/was a wiz kid now locked away for federal made up meth charges. Michael failed to go along with the program and got hung out and dried. Talk to much and you have porn or drug charges laid on you with extended jail time.

Bob Lazar is more than what we see and hear.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 12, 2015, 04:15:22 pm
The more info I earlier promised has left me in a bind. I would wax eloquently on the subject but if I did I'd stir up a shite storm here and I really don't have the energy anymore to spend an inordinate amount of my little free time. I have no interest in getting in the way of this board's love affair with the Amazing ::) Bob Lazar. I just leave with this. The need to believe in this, over comes most here, rational reasoning. And the money that's been made and continues to be made is just too good to pass up.

I will not comment on this 'story' again.

Goodbye all

Rock 8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 12, 2015, 06:40:59 pm


So after ALL that huffin and puffin.... thats IT??  ::)

All that innuendo and ZERO to back it up??

Even in your goodbye post, MORE innuendo and ZERO to back it up.

Another debunker learns the hard way - Not you or anyone else will EVER be able to debunk Bob's story... because it is FACT.

Get used to it.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 12, 2015, 06:52:43 pm


Maybe you ought ta check with your hero if Bob is real -


[youtube]pMjfW-RUGQM[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjfW-RUGQM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMjfW-RUGQM)


"Oh WOW! Oh WOW!"


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: thorfourwinds on August 12, 2015, 08:41:44 pm
The more info I earlier promised has left me in a bind. I would wax eloquently on the subject but if I did I'd stir up a poope storm here and I really don't have the energy anymore to spend an inordinate amount of my little free time. I have no interest in getting in the way of this board's love affair with the Amazing ::) Bob Lazar. I just leave with this. The need to believe in this, over comes most here, rational reasoning. And the money that's been made and continues to be made is just too good to pass up.

I will not comment on this 'story' again.

Goodbye all

Rock 8)

As if you could 'wax eloquently on the subject'.    :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 19, 2015, 06:22:57 pm


[youtube]T4n1fcof3mA[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4n1fcof3mA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4n1fcof3mA)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 20, 2015, 04:38:37 am
Interesting post seems to be p-retty one sided....
 
Area51Watcher you posted a very interesting video of John Lear.. Why does it say across the screen of this interview at between 08 and 10 seconds that John Lears a Former "SR71 Pilot" That's absolute BS.

John has never been listed in the SR71 database and was never an SR71 Pilot I will address Lazars BS later...

Heres a photo f the video..
 (http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x471/bigpappy51/JohnLears%20BS_zps43ds5vsr.png)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 20, 2015, 08:54:08 am


Well you should ask the person who made that video now shouldn't you.

For someone who claims to not to be here to argue and start arguments you seem fond of using inflammatory language and spreading BS on your own.

But then that's nothing new considering the BS you tried spreading last year.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 20, 2015, 02:05:43 pm

Well you should ask the person who made that video now shouldn't you.

For someone who claims to not to be here to argue and start arguments you seem fond of using inflammatory language and spreading BS on your own.

But then that's nothing new considering the BS you tried spreading last year.

All I have to do is posts Bobs own videos he completely debunks himself I don't have to say anything. And if your referring top The Lazar report I didn't write one page of that report I helped with the lack of Education at MIT and Cal-Tech which doesn't exist period.

He was never a physicist ever.. So how could Bob had been the "Senior Staff Physicist" at S4 that's Bobs own words.

I have to go to work I will be posting more this weekend I want to have a constructive conversation if possible.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 20, 2015, 05:09:54 pm
All I have to do is posts Bobs own videos he completely debunks himself I don't have to say anything.

Then do it an keep your snide remarks to yourself. "Bob's bs" is your own unproven opinion.

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And if your referring top The Lazar report I didn't write one page of that report I helped with the lack of Education at MIT and Cal-Tech which doesn't exist period.

No I'm referring to the wolf in sheep's clothing act you put on last year. Easy enough for any member to see by clicking on your username and read your past posts.
 
You were caught by your own words on video speaking with forked tongue white man. But those of us suspicious of anybody from the "alien scientist" gang were certainly not surprised that your new "I believe you John" act was just a scam.

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He was never a physicist ever.. So how could Bob had been the "Senior Staff Physicist" at S4 that's Bobs own words.

Oh really, and how would you know what he was or was not? Were you there?

One Physicist who WAS there says you are full of crap.

Whats the matter, haven't found any dirt on Dr. Krangle? Not for lack of trying I'm sure.

You and the AS gang have this obsessive/compulsive disorder with trying to discredit Bob, even worse than Friedman and Fouche.


BTW, where were you during the late 80's/early 90's? Did you go out and see for yourself if there was any truth to the story?

Obviously not.

Reading debunker websites while eating cheetos behind your monitor does not count as research.


So drop the pretense of not being here to start arguments, that is exactly what you are here for, and have been from the very beginning.

Or were you hoping you could troll withing being called out on it, and have to defend it?

Fat chance.

You and your buddies have to guess about Bob, I don't. I was there with boots on the ground.


Now it looks like you will have to scratch that question about why none of Bob's co- workers have come forward to support him. OOPS  ::)

As I said before... not you or anybody will EVER be able to debunk Bob Lazar, because his story is fact.

Get used to it.


How do I know? Simple - I was there.


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I have to go to work I will be posting more this weekend I want to have a constructive conversation if possible.

Posting snarky dick comments is not conducive to constructive conversations.

If you think you have a case against Bob, then present it in an adult manner without childish irrelevant innuendo, and you just might get one.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 20, 2015, 07:20:46 pm


Ok for the sentence that was on topic for this thread -

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Interesting post seems to be p-retty one sided....

and...? Which insinuates what?

What would you expect?

I have not personally researched the information so I don't know this guy's bona fides.

If this is true it is a major bombshell.

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 21, 2015, 03:29:30 am
Im not going to argue, Im not interested in talking about Lazar at this point it always turns into a fight and that's not what its about for me at least.

The case has some problems I think I will leave it at that. And I hope we all can get along someday

Peace everyone.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 21, 2015, 11:40:56 am
John has never been listed in the SR71 database and was never an SR71 Pilot

John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...

People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.

Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"

It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings

John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.

It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.

And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...

John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...

When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply  So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...

But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy  and he even gave himself top billing...

When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us.  I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access

I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts  he really didn't know.




Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 22, 2015, 05:39:55 pm
It is a little difficult to make comments on the last few posts from "A51Watcher"  and "Shot in the dark".

I respect them both highly and have valued their research and comments as being maybe the most indepth researchers that I know with regards to the Bob Lazar story.

I believe that I have had a lot of belief in the story since it first took my interest... but after being a member on PRC for a few years now.. I have come across a lot of facts that I had not known about.. and both have educated me.

If what A51 witnessed is as he has described and shown us with his videos.. it seems it offers the proof that any researcher has been looking for.

BUT... when one looks into the more indepth things.. there has been a lot of questions to ask and try to obtain answers...and for those of us who have not witnessed a Saucer at Area 51or elsewhere.. I can understand that there views on things vary and with certain facts seeming not to make sense... that  trying to research the facts can make ones view change and vary.

Then as one finds out more and more what may be possible or that could be going on.. its easily possible to consider other possibilities behind what could occur if say it was somehow some hoax or set up.

With the recent Interview with Bob... I was curious to see if either A51 or Dan had any updated views on it and was hoping that they would comment if they had any new things that they had questioned.

I am not wanting them to fall out or to try and put down one or other.. and I understand some of the past background and opinions that they may have had and that they have some strong opinions that could lead to misunderstandings.

A51s research on both Bob Lazar and Roswell I have found very informative and I found some of Dans past research bring up some valid points...as well as his great work/thread  on the Tall Whites.

Both A51 and Dan has gone thru some very difficult times recently... and I would not like them to fall out further on PRC to add to any further stresses in their lifes..but do welcome them posting some updated unconflicting comments(if that is possible) or material of new interest.such as Dans recent post on possible Holographic runway at Area 51.

I have had my mind on other things this last week or so to take time to read things and absorb them as they need to be able to focus correctly to make  comments with a better judgement.

But for now I get the impression that this Dr Krangle has only recently made his claims that he knew Bob Lazar at Los Alomos.

One question will be why now !  what has taken him so long to acknowledge it ?

Found this article / website with what seems a good impressive drawing of Bob Lazar..

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/t/54d5d0d5e4b03e9339e235ae/1423298812529/LAZAR+MOVIE+POSTER.jpg?format=750w)



"If you are interested in learning more about my research regarding the Bob Lazar case, and the new witness that I found regarding the Lazar Case, be sure to read the great article from Open Minds Magazine." - Jeremy Kenyon Locker Corbell

 

READ HERE: PHYSICIST CLAIMS BOB LAZAR DID WORK AT LOS ALAMOS
Below are nine select transcriptions from the DR. KRANGLE interview:

 

1 - WHO ARE YOU ANE WHERE HAVE YOU WORKED?

CORBELL - What's your name and what do you do for a living?

KRANGLE - Dr. Krangle and I'm an engineering physicist.

CORBELL - In your professional capacity what can you tell me about your history?

KRANGLE - Well my bachelors is from New York Institute of technology, my doctorate is from MIT.

CORBELL - Can you tell me some of the laboratories that you have done contracting work for?

KRANGLE - Pretty much all of them. Air Force Weapons Lab, Sandia labs, several different areas at Sandia … area 5, area 3 ... Los Alamos. I've done work with White Sands. I've been out even as far as California, you know where China Lake is?  You know, Ridgecrest.  I've done some testing out at China lake. One of the things that I do is a company will call and say, we want to do this test project, how do we set up the test? We want to measure X, what equipment do we need and how do we set that up?And that's the gap that I fill.

 

2 - WHAT DID YOU DO AT LOS ALAMOS & WHEN?

CORBELL - What is it that you have done at Los Alamos, what time frames? Whatever you can tell me about that.

I've done contracts at Los Alamos pretty much all through the 80s. I still do contracts with Los Alamos. Not as many as I used to, but I still have some contact up there. But all through the 80s I was doing design project this, or you know a kind of a ancillary engineering. Their engineers have been beating a problem, and sometimes you get too close to the problem where you can't see the forest through the trees, so they bring in people like me as an outside contract to take a fresh look, see what's going on. Though the equipment I may of been working with might've been on some high-security something or another, but an amplifier is an amplifier, a signal generator is a signal generator … what you do with that equipment, that may be classified. But that specific piece of equipment itself is not classified.

 

3 - WHAT WAS YOUR FIRSD INTERACTION WITH BOB LAZAR?

CORBELL - One of the reasons why I was introduced to you, was because you're not into this world that I'm investigating that includes, ufology, advanced propulsion systems. But one thing that I was told is that, was that not only did you have some work that you did at Los Alamos, but additionally that you somehow met Bob Lazar. What was your first interaction with LAZAR and where was it?

KRANGLE - Well it wasn't much of an interaction. It was one of these things, you know, meetings ... like security meetings. You know, you have to go to that once every week or every couple of weeks ... and they give you the usual briefing, "Don't talk about what you're doing. Don't talk about what you see." So Lazar, we didn't work together, but you know cafeteria kind of thing ... you know you pass em in some of the "commanders call" if you will ... you know meetings ... you pass em ... so yeah, he was up there.

CORBELL -And about what year was it that you remember seeing him?

KRANGLE - To pin it down, certainly in the 80s. Probably earlier than late 80s.

CORBELL -What's interesting to me is that you're saying, that you would run across Lazar at a security meeting … "Don't talk about this. Don't talk about that" … or in the cafeteria.  Was it your impression that he was a concessions stand salesman, or a janitor?

KRANGLE - He was dressed wrong to be the janitor (laughter).

CORBELL - Okay, so how did you know Bob and in what capacity was he there working from your knowledge? What was he at Los Alamos?

KRANGLE - Well he was a physicist which, I'm a physicist. We kind of recognize each other. You know it's the classic pocket condom with all the proper different color pens (laughter) ... he fit that mold. If nobody would've told me he was a physicist, one look, [you would know] he's a physicist. He's properly dressed in geekdome.

CORBELL - Did people tell you he's a physicist? Was it ever explained to you?

KRANGLE - In some conversations, you know, somebody would be talking about what somebody was doing … and they'd point over ... and that's him over there.

 

4 - BOB LAZAR WAS AT LOS ALAMOS SECURITY BRIEFINGS WITH YOU?

CORBELL -You have a direct individual memory of being in a security briefing at Los Alamos with Bob Lazar?

KRANGLE - Yeah, I remember seeing him.

CORBELL -Why would he be there if he wasn't working in capacity with that was important?

KRANGLE - Yeah, I don't think they bring the janitor in … yeah.

CORBELL - Okay. Because I just want to kind of, demystify that once and for all.

 

5 - WAS BOB LAZAR A PHYSICIST AT LOS ALAMOS?

CORBELL -What was your impression of what Bob was doing at Los Alamos in the 80s?

KRANGLE - Well, at the time I was there, I really didn't know what specifically Bob was doing, we didn't work together, we simply crossed paths … at least in glancing view.  I didn't know what he was up to anymore than he knew what I was up to.

CORBELL - But you did know that he was a physicist?

KRANGLE - Yes.

CORBELL - And that was very clear to you, that he was a physicist at Los Alamos and not again like, the janitor?

KRANGLE - Right. And in conversations with some of my colleagues ... you know again sitting over lunch, we would be talking about something something happening or, who's doing something. It's okay to talk amongst yourselves, your just not allowed to tell your wife or your kids what you're doing.  And somebody would lean over and say that's Bob over there ... he working on something something project.

CORBELL - So did you get any other impressions? You've described him very well, he's kinda got the Hawking's face, he stands out, he's got the pocket protector, he's a physicist working at Los Alamos … Is there anything else that stood out about Bob?

KRANGLE - Yeah one of the fellas was telling me about him building a jet car.

 

6 - BOB LAZAR COMMITTED PROFESSIONAL SUICIDE BY BREAKING THE CODE

CORBELL - It's so fascinating to me to talk with somebody who's not, you know, drank the Kool-Aid ... who doesn't know the whole story, or who's really really into it. And [who] says, "I worked there. I saw Bob." He stood out to you somehow.

KRANGLE - And I understand how Los Alamos would blackball him. He committed professional suicide.

CORBELL - In what way?

KRANGLE - By doing that video that he did, where he was talking about the craft that he had exposure to. He went into quite a little tutorial on how a matter / antimatter engine might work. Which is how they get enough energy to power and energy in that craft to do what they wanted to do. And he broke the code. He broke from the fold. He talked about it. That's it, that's a death sentence.

CORBELL - Why is it a death sentence?

KRANGLE - Within that security community, it's just that mentality that's up there. Of ... "Don't talk about what you do".

CORBELL - By Bob publicly talking about his experience with the work that he did, not at Los Alamos but south of Groom Lake, he was committing sort of …

KRANGLE - Professional suicide.

CORBELL - Professional suicide. Because you get blacklisted for doing that.

KRANGLE - That's right.

 

7 - IT WAS INFORMATION THAT HE REALLY THOUGHT THE WORLD SHOULD KNOW

CORBELL - Did you have any verbal conversation with Bob at any point?

KRANGLE - Yeah.

CORBELL - Can you describe it to me?

KRANGLE - Well, we chatted, it was after obviously he was gone from Los Alamos. Through conversations with peers and colleagues, I knew about Bob being over in the East Mountains [of Albuquerque] and his company United Nuclear. I asked him why did you commit professional suicide. He said it was information that he really thought the world should know.

 

8 - LAZAR IS THE SNOWDEN OF UFOLOGY

CORBELL - I believe Bob. And I have reason to believe Bob. All the evidence has suggested that he's "A", Telling the truth and "B", that people try to smear his name and try to demote his scientific abilities in peoples minds.

KRANGLE - Look at Snowden. Had Snowden not done what he did, he would be the great kid that's doing the intelligence gathering. But he broke from the fold. And Bob is essentially the same thing as Snowden. He broke from the fold. But at least he's managed to keep going, I mean, where do you go from engineering physics at Los Alamos if you can't stay with in your discipline? I mean, what do you do, open up a TV and radio repair shop? Or go deliver pizzas?

CORBELL - You open United Nuclear.

KRANGLE - That's right.

 

9 - I’M NOT READY TO BREAK THE FOLD BUT BOB LAZAR IS CREDIBLE

KRANGLE - I would like to believe what he worked on. I would like to believe that story. Again, the scientist in me says if I can't touch it, feel it l, stiff it, smell it, weigh it, measured it... come back and do the same thing tomorrow and get the same results.  So, I can't prove or disapprove what he worked on. As far as what he describes, and as far as the theory of how what he describes could work … I think he's spot on. I wish I saw that same something.

CORBELL - You know, then again too … You in the capacities that you've had to, or decided to work as a subcontractor for a lot of these agencies and businesses in these areas, you too have been shown things that don't necessarily line up with the chronology of our own development of technologies. Is that fair to say?

KRANGLE - That's fair to say but…

CORBELL - We're not gonna say anymore about that?

KRANGLE - Right. Exactly. I'm not gonna break from the fold [laughter]. I'm not ready to commit, at this point, professional suicide.

CORBELL - But there is something that you have experienced, that leads you to lean towards the idea that Lazar...

KRANGLE - Is credible.

CORBELL - Is credible?

KRANGLE - Yeah.



http://www.extraordinarybeliefs.com/news/dr-krangle-interview
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 22, 2015, 06:01:55 pm
Thanks "Z" for your explanation about Johns present situation.

Next time you manage to get to see John..

Do you think it may be possible for you to obtain his password and maybe write it on a sticky lable and put it somewhere on his computer...

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54247d50e4b016149c77301f/t/54d621fee4b049bf4cd5c168/1423319552236/Immaculate+Deception+Poster?format=750w)


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It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings

John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.

It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.

And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

That seems rather concerning if somehow Jeremy is trying to take some advantage over John even to the extent of having access to his emails or able to listen in on skype unless he has been given correct permission...John could do with a trusting person to keep some check on him if that is possible..
It is a shame if he is losing his memory or yourself is even no longer able to visit him like you once would have. Is his Siblings able to aid him ?

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John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...

John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 22, 2015, 06:27:14 pm
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...

People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.

Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"

It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings

John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.

It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.

And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...

John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...

When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply  So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...

But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy  and he even gave himself top billing...

When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us.  I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access

I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts  he really didn't know.

Well that sounds pretty sketchy, thanks for the update. No wonder Sarge lost his marbles when he saw Jeremy's name mentioned.  ;D

I looked over his web page earlier this year, and he makes it clear he doesn't have time for strawberry ice creamers (guys in shadow with voice garblers) so I didn't pursue any contact.

All of that aside, it will be interesting to see what people manage to dig up to either corroborate or discredit his statements.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 22, 2015, 08:18:20 pm
It is a little difficult to make comments on the last few posts from "A51Watcher"  and "Shot in the dark".

I respect them both highly and have valued their research and comments as being maybe the most indepth researchers that I know with regards to the Bob Lazar story.

I believe that I have had a lot of belief in the story since it first took my interest... but after being a member on PRC for a few years now.. I have come across a lot of facts that I had not known about.. and both have educated me.

If what A51 witnessed is as he has described and shown us with his videos.. it seems it offers the proof that any researcher has been looking for.

Turns out what I have shown  you so far with my videos is nothing compared to what I will be releasing later this year.

Surely you recall the impressive forensic image analysis performed on Bob's footage so far, there is a 2nd installment coming, as well as the same techniques applied to my footage. The results are equally impressive. 

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BUT... when one looks into the more indepth things.. there has been a lot of questions to ask and try to obtain answers...and for those of us who have not witnessed a Saucer at Area 51or elsewhere.. I can understand that there views on things vary and with certain facts seeming not to make sense... that  trying to research the facts can make ones view change and vary.

Then as one finds out more and more what may be possible or that could be going on.. its easily possible to consider other possibilities behind what could occur if say it was somehow some hoax or set up.

Be sure to include in your calculations how advanced craft would be operating in the dead of night with no one around until I showed up. Just operating the most amazing show on earth for the heck of it until someone shows up for a peek? Doesn't compute.

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With the recent Interview with Bob... I was curious to see if either A51 or Dan had any updated views on it and was hoping that they would comment if they had any new things that they had questioned.

Like I said when I got back from the conference, very little if anything new was revealed by Bob. Sadly when he was about to describe 'the amazing technology' that connected the gravity amplifiers to the craft and aimed them, George cut him off with a question about something else.

Most everything else I had seen, heard or read about before.

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I am not wanting them to fall out or to try and put down one or other.. and I understand some of the past background and opinions that they may have had and that they have some strong opinions that could lead to misunderstandings.

Could be. Long as we stick to facts things will be smooth.

There is a key connection to Roswell here.

Now recall these things landed in front of me after the intruder alert alarm.

I was dam near as close as The Day The Earth Stood Still.

Also the one that flew low overhead.

So I know for a fact these were large saucers. The connection to Roswell is these are the same craft performing the same impossible speeds and maneuvers reported in 1947.

If you read the now declassified Project Grudge report we see -official confirmation- that neither The Axis or The Allies knew what the UFO's seen during the war were, but incorrectly assumed that they were new technology from the other side.

That is why the military in 1947 suspected the saucers were Russian, not German.

Even so, operating such craft back then was not possible "by any earthly civilization known". (Scientific opinion in Grudge)

Even remote control craft would fail these maneuvers at such speeds we still cannot attain. 

So if we couldn't create such technology in 1947, what makes you think we can create it now?

No sign of any such technology from anybody anywhere through out the years.

'Using' Bob as a 'plant' to expose the most incredible technology in the world does not compute.

If this tech were not real and just rumor to impress the Russians, then sure I could buy that.

Problem is - I know for a fact this tech in not just rumor. It is and performs exactly as advertised.- Advanced Alien Technology.

All the way from 1947 until today.

These facts will become known and spread as further people allow their identities to become known in the future, who have already privately confirmed Bob's story.

And also as advanced imaging reveals more details from personal footage taken at A51.

No matter who wants to scream or shout, holler or pout, nothing will ever change the reality of what is out in the desert.


And who first spilled the beans.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 22, 2015, 09:44:44 pm
Yes my mind / memory would be in a very poor state or mind controlled if I did not recall your excellent Image analysis videos..

That strengthened my belief by a large % in Bobs / your story. Until its proven otherwise I believe what you and Bob have described and shown.

I very much look forward to seeing your other videos  if you are good enough to share them !

Although I still suspect some are either still unsure as yet and maybe over time in their further research they MAY get to really appreciate what you have created and shown us...Generally I am not sure that you have been given as much credit as you should have...maybe some people have not as yet clicked or understood the realities or what you have obtained....sometimes people need more time and further repeated reminders to get them to understand things to a relevant  level of appreciation...

or some will  still question or appreciate / understand the consequences of it. no matter how good something maybe..

I am not well enough qualified to attempt to do so..but from what I have seen.. its the best footage I have as yet to come by and so far no one has convinced me not to believe you or Bobs story.

but I do welcome others who may make further suggestions if they seem feasible as other possibilities...

So far most of the past suggestions made by those raising concerns have either not been proven, or have had what I have seen as good possible answers given to them concerns.

The only main one that may stand out maybe the point that Pimander made about Humans having obtained some unique materials that seem to have had some unique properties that maybe could have been used if humans used it to create a UFO. but there would need to be a lot more evidence to support that theory..

On an opposing view if I was to question it further if I was a sceptic... (Which I am not) and this would be taking it to quite an extreme...

Hope you do not take offence and just see this as a further suggestion as to what a person may consider if they was not to have had your experiences.

It is always possible more or less most things can be questioned no matter how convincing they may seem.
I say this as we know just how good Computer & Film technology with photography / graphics are...That is 100% fact... They can more or less convince anyone who is not highly trained to possibly believe in a photo or /video/  movie.

In  movie or TV program... they can create so much that seems very real..be it actors playing Aliens as in Star Trek or Sci Fi Movies..or what seem like UFO Saucers.

But to I would THINK one would need very good expensive equipment to attempt to show some of the things that your video showed. especially when you showed the Plasma & Static electric enhanced images.  They look very real to me . with what I would suspect with very good equipment..but not with the very best that the likes of Multi national very rich Companies could obtain.

The other thing that I also could question... and this is of only from more recent things that I have found out about on PRC... is just wondering how far and how good can Holographic technology really be...

The reason I refer to this, is I recall the 1st time that I saw what seemed like a fast moving light in the sky that I later found out was a projected laser...
it looked so real and unusual at the time..and was moving all over the sky at varying speeds..

This was just a light source..but I think they can project image light sources via lasers..and the image can appear and disappear and move at vast speeds all over the sky..

but that was found to be being projected from ground level or  a high building...

Could it be just a slight possibility that the powers that be could say project images maybe even from Space Satelittes to create a UFO image that could be seen to make a display similar to what you witnessed.

I would however understand or maybe conclude that why would they do that along the 375 Highway at Area 51....in the way that you experienced it..

That may not make much sense..as I am sure they could have done that anywhere or in an even more remote area. or say over Papoose Lake or other terrain completely out of view.

I very much doubt this would have been the case in the observations that you experienced..

but I would wonder if they could have technology to create something similar ?

This would be maybe the only other alternative to UFO sightings that you have described in your own experience or research ...and I am only questioning it as its something relatively new in my own thought process and research so far.

If they could project images to appear to be flying..they could make them appear and disappear in a flash..or appear to move at any speed we can comprehend..and do almost any turn possible.

One thing that I thought about the other day when watching a TV program about Insects...and their abilities..in particular flying insects..and their design and mechanics.

We mention UFOs doing 90 degree turns..at high speeds.

Those speeds admittedly quicker than any insect can fly..

But the program did mention that certain insects can do 180 degree turns in mid flight..at what seem high speeds to humans. That I found very interesting.

The flight dynamics of insects are a fascinating subject.. and I wonder if ET craft can or will someday achieve that  ?






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Surely you recall the impressive forensic image analysis performed on Bob's footage so far, there is a 2nd installment coming, as well as the same techniques applied to my footage. The results are equally impressive. 


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I respect them both highly and have valued their research and comments as being maybe the most indepth researchers that I know with regards to the Bob Lazar story.

I believe that I have had a lot of belief in the story since it first took my interest... but after being a member on PRC for a few years now.. I have come across a lot of facts that I had not known about.. and both have educated me.

If what A51 witnessed is as he has described and shown us with his videos.. it seems it offers the proof that any researcher has been looking for.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 22, 2015, 10:51:36 pm
I will keep this to Dr. Krangle and keep it peaceful. Does anyone have this mans background like is there a LinkedIn or anything that verifies his credentials? It certainly is interesting and Lazar was at Los Alamos Im sure of that my question would be why did Lazar leave a place like Los Alamos so quickly ? I heard Corbell say it had something to do with women troubles and yes women will get the best of any of us I know from experience lol..

Are51Watcher The Sheep in Wolfs Clothing thing come on man I haven't even posted in a long time this whole UFO thing got old for me and I gave up for a while that doesn't mean I don't want Bobs story to be 100% real I think its fascinating and I will never forget in 1989 seeing him on TV talking about Are-51 I was young the story really caught me reeled me in for sure. Where are your videos at they used to be on YouTube I do remember looking at them and saying wow that's pretty amazing put our differences behind.. And yes I have changed my mind a few times over the years but that's me and if the story is true than its the most incredible story in history of man for sure.

As far as the likes of Alienscietist guys like him his whole forum disappeared and at the time I was thrown off could had cared less about that forum when I came here. I have learned a lot from my years of bashing years back if I pissed anyone off back in the OMF days my apologies lets move on and look at the evidence.

I put an amazing account on your page here about Mike Dinans Pilot account over Groom in 1988 check it out sometime Astro144 did its a very cool video and testimony to say the least. These last few years have been hell for me loosing my mother and brother and I just didn't care to look at any of this. So like I said lets move on Im not here to argue we share a common passion and yes you were there with camera inh hand back in the day which had to impact your passion beyond belief which I admire.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 22, 2015, 11:46:23 pm
I had a very long FaceBook conversation about Lazar with Corbell one night back in April he had responded to a post I had made on John Lears FB page. I said lets go private so we did being it was private I wont disclose what all was said. We talked all night till about 7am.

I will say this he doesn't know the Lazar story well at all ... Which surprised me after all hes the one with Lear and promoting all kinds of videos and Lear and himself..

Im saying that Corbell didn't know the Lazar story back months ago maybe he has become better versed in the story by now I don't know.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 23, 2015, 06:47:54 am
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...

People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.

Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"

It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings

John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.

It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.

And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...

John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...

When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply  So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...

But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy  and he even gave himself top billing...

When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us.  I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access

I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts  he really didn't know.

Let's not forget Mr. Knapp in all this too. He was pushing Corbell heavily, calling him 'The UFO Road Warrior' and defending him at every turn. I've saved all our convos with Knapp and Corbell from Facebook. The two are tied together. I had Knapp come on John's page to defend his good buddy when I called out Corbell on the release of Immaculate Deception. Hence not a peep outta either one. I thought of Knapp only in terms of the Lazar story, someone reporting on an extraordinary story, but after this experience with Corbell, everything he says is suspect. Including the Lazar story.
IMO

Rock
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ArMaP on August 23, 2015, 08:04:26 am
The other thing that I also could question... and this is of only from more recent things that I have found out about on PRC... is just wondering how far and how good can Holographic technology really be...

The reason I refer to this, is I recall the 1st time that I saw what seemed like a fast moving light in the sky that I later found out was a projected laser...
it looked so real and unusual at the time..and was moving all over the sky at varying speeds..
A projected light can move at speeds impossible for an object, but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view, while a hologram does reproduce the 3D scene that was captured.

Also, light has a problem, mist and dust will affect it, so light projections are limited to specific meteorological conditions.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 23, 2015, 09:24:19 am
Let's not forget Mr. Knapp in all this too. He was pushing Corbell heavily, calling him 'The UFO Road Warrior' and defending him at every turn. I've saved all our convos with Knapp and Corbell from Facebook. The two are tied together. I had Knapp come on John's page to defend his good buddy when I called out Corbell on the release of Immaculate Deception. Hence not a peep outta either one. I thought of Knapp only in terms of the Lazar story, someone reporting on an extraordinary story, but after this experience with Corbell, everything he says is suspect. Including the Lazar story.
IMO

Rock
Knapp was down right insensitive and pretty rude I don't know why.. Much different guy online then on C2C. He and Corbell knew I was calling I sat on the phone for hours they let me speak with a few minutes...

I think there's an agenda/motive about all the film Corbell has of Lear. Certainly John should get a major cur of the film he is the primary person in the video but nothing has been signed from what I'm told I could be wrong. I think we should protect John Lear as best we can for sure. This film has taken way too long poor Johns health is not the best which sucks I hope John gets better.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 11:39:52 am
Thanks for your comments on this ArMaP.

What you say about projected light sources seems to eliminate any type of lasar being used..

But I am unsure if this also applies with Holograms.

I am not sure if this may be possible..but

If say they were to create Holograms from Satellites in space down to Earth...if it was cloudy or misty would this also effect its clarity of projection or even fade it out altogether ?

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A projected light can move at speeds impossible for an object, but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view, while a hologram does reproduce the 3D scene that was captured.

Also, light has a problem, mist and dust will affect it, so light projections are limited to specific meteorological conditions.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 11:57:29 am
Turns out what I have shown  you so far with my videos is nothing compared to what I will be releasing later this year.

Surely you recall the impressive forensic image analysis performed on Bob's footage so far, there is a 2nd installment coming, as well as the same techniques applied to my footage. The results are equally impressive. 

Be sure to include in your calculations how advanced craft would be operating in the dead of night with no one around until I showed up. Just operating the most amazing show on earth for the heck of it until someone shows up for a peek? Doesn't compute.

Like I said when I got back from the conference, very little if anything new was revealed by Bob. Sadly when he was about to describe 'the amazing technology' that connected the gravity amplifiers to the craft and aimed them, George cut him off with a question about something else.

Most everything else I had seen, heard or read about before.

Could be. Long as we stick to facts things will be smooth.

There is a key connection to Roswell here.

Now recall these things landed in front of me after the intruder alert alarm.

I was dam near as close as The Day The Earth Stood Still.

Also the one that flew low overhead.

So I know for a fact these were large saucers. The connection to Roswell is these are the same craft performing the same impossible speeds and maneuvers reported in 1947.

If you read the now declassified Project Grudge report we see -official confirmation- that neither The Axis or The Allies knew what the UFO's seen during the war were, but incorrectly assumed that they were new technology from the other side.

That is why the military in 1947 suspected the saucers were Russian, not German.

Even so, operating such craft back then was not possible "by any earthly civilization known". (Scientific opinion in Grudge)

Even remote control craft would fail these maneuvers at such speeds we still cannot attain. 

So if we couldn't create such technology in 1947, what makes you think we can create it now?

No sign of any such technology from anybody anywhere through out the years.

'Using' Bob as a 'plant' to expose the most incredible technology in the world does not compute.

If this tech were not real and just rumor to impress the Russians, then sure I could buy that.

Problem is - I know for a fact this tech in not just rumor. It is and performs exactly as advertised.- Advanced Alien Technology.

All the way from 1947 until today.

These facts will become known and spread as further people allow their identities to become known in the future, who have already privately confirmed Bob's story.

And also as advanced imaging reveals more details from personal footage taken at A51.

No matter who wants to scream or shout, holler or pout, nothing will ever change the reality of what is out in the desert.


And who first spilled the beans.

I find numerous issues with this post. I hesitate to expand in depth, I don't want to fall out with anyone again, and I also cannot quote appropriately on the device I'm using... will edit this post shortly.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 12:10:22 pm
but it will be limited to where it is being projected, as a projection is not the same thing as a hologram and it will only appear like a real object (or whatever) when seen from a specific point of view,

There is THIS  on public TV  :D

[youtube]thOxW19vsTg[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 12:20:16 pm
I have read this thread now in a bit more detail..
Initially I missed the refs to J. Corbell and Dr Krangle that were mentioned in A51 Watchers very 1st post as I thought it had just made a general comment and had only very briefly browsed it even though I later commented on it with Ref to Stanton Friedman saying Bob had worked at Los Alamos many years ago prior.

Prior to this thread I new NOTHING about J. Corbell or his Film or it being about John Lear...or that he may be doing a Film about Bob Lazar...

Now that I can see that the recent UFO Conference with the Bob Lazar & George Knapp...I can Now perhaps see other possibilities behind all that seems to have come about.

I was a bit puzzled as to Sgt R&Rs comments..
I had thought that he had been more of a believer in the Bob Lazar Story as he seemed to be quite closely a believer in John..and I thought that knowing John Lear that he would have believed both John and Bob Lazars connected association with the story and not question it too much.

BUT Now... I can see why he may do so..

Maybe he thinks it is to do with another stage in the whole Lazar story.. and now the coming involvement with Movies about the story or those connected to it.

Again if say this was part of a Hoax...I could see That may be a possibility.

I am not sure how long the Movie has been planned for..there does not seem too much info about it on a quick search.


 but this was a thread on a google search that may indicate it as far back as 2013.


IMMACULATE DECEPTION - John Lear
www.therealjohnlear.com/.../12/5_IMMACULATE_DECEPTION.html
Thursday, December 5, 2013. IMMACULATE DECEPTION. To learn more about the film on John, go check out www.ImmaculateDeception.com · ABOUT.

This suggests its a Documentry dues for realease in 2015...

Does anyone Know when it will be shown ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4083652/

This is his website link ..

http://www.immaculatedeception.com/ImmaculateDeception.com/DECEPTION.html


One of his prior films on youtube.

Truth About Aliens with Immaculate Deception Filmmaker Jeremy Corbell

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4083652/


On the positive side of this in terms of support to the Bob Lazar story and John Lear.

It is probably about time that someone produced such films or documentaries about John and Bob..
whether its to do with anyone making money from it or not..

I cannot understand why its taken so long for anyone to do so in the past.  I thought Filmmakers would have been trying to do this many years ago.

Does anyone know why its come about now and why with Jeremy Corbell ?

Is it because both John and Bob did not want to allow this in the past ?

I also had not realised the connection to an earlier post made by Zorgon with ref to Shot in the Dark in this prior Lazar thread.

For some reason I had not been paying full attention to that particular post... maybe because looking now I struggled to read the red print...for some reason it did not stand out too well...

 The Lazar Report by Michael Schratt May 4, 2015

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8412.msg115794#msg115794

On a quick search it seems the only other ref to J Corbells film was posted by Sky Otter in Mar 2014.

John Lear on coast2coast this saturday night.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6336.msg88404#msg88404
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 12:28:15 pm
'Using' Bob as a 'plant' to expose the most incredible technology in the world does not compute.

Well actually it DOES compute if you look at Bob's story..

Does he not say that one of the questions he was asked in his interview was whether or not he knew John Lear?

Since we know John Lear has close CIA connections... and that Bob and John were good friends... it very well could be possible that Bob was chosen to see the project because they knew the first person he would call is John Lear  (which he did :P and then took him out to watch the tests :P)

Also everyone knows if you go out there the Camo Dudes are likely to shoot you :P  So Bob John et all got to go home and live to tell the story and have a video...  Hmmmmm

But to accept that Bob was a deliberate leak... you have to accept that Bob WAS at Area 51  and that he was shown enough about the craft so that his story would have merit... (which it has all these years) with just enough mystery added to make his story seem false.. (which it has)

Considering Bob was only there such a short time to me it does compute that he was specifically hired to be the patsy.

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And who first spilled the beans.

Precisely  and that supports the planed release... the first person he called was John  and then George Knapp  and the breaking of that story made George's career.  So who's idea was it to call George?


I made this post in another thread... I will add it here. I have made similar posts in other threads and more detailed... but in my opinion ANY study of Flying saucers needs to consider this  (and yours and Bob's videos support this 100% )

One thing to consider...

IF a UFO is an Alien or Manmade space craft with some sort of intensive gravity field (not Anti Gravity :P That could never power a spacecraft)

Then it would be expected to have strange effects in the local space time.

People have reported time loss and memory issues surrounding contact with these craft

It is known by our scientists that a powerful gravity field can distort time and space... in fact for a craft to achieve FTL or WARP drive this would have to be the case

So lost time and memory loss during an event to me indicate that the story is most likely worthy of my attention

Incidentally this same gravity field would also explain why no one can get a clear photo of an operating UFO..

The field or warp bubble would distort light around the craft.. and energy leakage would account for the glowing at night


(http://dq-nz.org/dqwiki/images/f/fb/Forcefield.jpg)


This same force field bubble would also eliminate inertia inside the bubble, allowing for high speed turns and accelerations





Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 12:37:40 pm
Now a thought about Stanton Friedman

On his own website in his own biography Stanton says he never got a doctorate in Nuclear Physics and he only worked in the filed a few short years on projects that were all closed (or he was fired? )  In any case not an illustrius career. He gave it up to SELL UFO's yet has admitted he NEVER saw one...

His claim to 'fame' is the Bob Lazar story. No matter where he goes people who respect him 'because he is a nuclear scientist' ALWAYS ask "What about Bob?"

Stanton would be a failed nobody if he didn't ride Bob's coat tails.

Whether or not you believe Bob's entire story... why would Stanton know ANYTHING? Just because he is a 'nuclear scientist' (failed career)?  Seem there is more money on the UFO circuit than there is in Nuclear Physics :P

Even today, on Stanton front page you see the BASH BOB thread

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ArMaP on August 23, 2015, 12:42:20 pm
But I am unsure if this also applies with Holograms.

I am not sure if this may be possible..but

If say they were to create Holograms from Satellites in space down to Earth...if it was cloudy or misty would this also effect its clarity of projection or even fade it out altogether ?
Holograms are different, as they need an external light source to be shining on it for it to work. Ideally, that light would exactly the same as the one used to create the hologram (a laser of a specific wavelength), but acceptable quality can be achieved with a normal light shining on the hologram from the same relative position as when the hologram was made.

I don't think projecting a hologram is possible, as a hologram needs a specific medium to work, but projecting a light on a surface with a hologram could, in theory, be done from space, and they could use the same laser used to create the hologram, achieving the best quality possible. The downside would be that the hologram "plate" would have to be placed somewhere, as that's a physical object.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 12:51:09 pm
Well actually it DOES compute if you look at Bob's story..

Does he not say that one of the questions he was asked in his interview was whether or not he knew John Lear?

Since we know John Lear has close CIA connections... and that Bob and John were good friends... it very well could be possible that Bob was chosen to see the project because they knew the first person he would call is John Lear  (which he did :P and then took him out to watch the tests :P)

Also everyone knows if you go out there the Camo Dudes are likely to shoot you :P  So Bob John et all got to go home and live to tell the story and have a video...  Hmmmmm

But to accept that Bob was a deliberate leak... you have to accept that Bob WAS at Area 51  and that he was shown enough about the craft so that his story would have merit... (which it has all these years) with just enough mystery added to make his story seem false.. (which it has)

Considering Bob was only there such a short time to me it does compute that he was specifically hired to be the patsy.

Precisely  and that supports the planed release... the first person he called was John  and then George Knapp  and the breaking of that story made George's career.  So who's idea was it to call George?


I made this post in another thread... I will add it here. I have made similar posts in other threads and more detailed... but in my opinion ANY study of Flying saucers needs to consider this  (and yours and Bob's videos support this 100% )

One thing to consider...

IF a UFO is an Alien or Manmade space craft with some sort of intensive gravity field (not Anti Gravity :P That could never power a spacecraft)

Then it would be expected to have strange effects in the local space time.

People have reported time loss and memory issues surrounding contact with these craft

It is known by our scientists that a powerful gravity field can distort time and space... in fact for a craft to achieve FTL or WARP drive this would have to be the case

So lost time and memory loss during an event to me indicate that the story is most likely worthy of my attention

Incidentally this same gravity field would also explain why no one can get a clear photo of an operating UFO..

The field or warp bubble would distort light around the craft.. and energy leakage would account for the glowing at night


(http://dq-nz.org/dqwiki/images/f/fb/Forcefield.jpg)


This same force field bubble would also eliminate inertia inside the bubble, allowing for high speed turns and accelerations

This is one of the issues I was going to raise.  I'm of the belief that Bob  did have a brief work history at said locations but that he was CHOSEN to be the 'leak'. I doubt it was his own free will, whether he's aware of that or not. I found A51s Snowden analogy to be accurate, but for different reasons to A51.

Astro, the last thing wee need is more documentaries based on this crap, if there's any thing worthwhile to share, written word is just as good and far less expensive.

I still disagree with A51 ' s statements that we couldn't build our own 'UFO'S'. I don't believe them to be piloted tho. Some are, but not the ones that break the conventional laws of physics.

There is also a huge jump between lazar and Roswell, one that has not been satisfactorily demonstrated as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ArMaP on August 23, 2015, 12:51:57 pm
There is THIS  on public TV  :D

[youtube]thOxW19vsTg[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOxW19vsTg
That looks like a normal image inserted on another image, something very common on TV. As I was not on the studio at the time I cannot say if the image was visible to the people there (as a real hologram would) or if it existed only on the TV image, like the weather maps during the weather reports.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 01:44:02 pm
With ref to Stanton Friedman saying that he never obtained a doctorate in Nuclear Physics..

can you point to the link for it as there seems various articles on his site.

I cannot see it mentioned in his bio page..

http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=stans_bio

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Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer Stanton T. Friedman received his BSc. and MSc. Degrees in physics from the University of Chicago in 1955 and 1956. He was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist by such companies as GE, GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell Douglas working in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear powerplants for space and terrestrial applications.


Is a Doctorate a PHD ?

I am not sure if that was a requirement to be a Nuclear Physicist or if  just a degree classes him as one.

I am not sure how accurate Wikipedia is...but this is what it said about his qualifications and career background while working 14 years as a nuclear physicist.

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Stanton Friedman studied physics at the University of Chicago.[citation needed]

He graduated from Linden High School and the University of Chicago, earning a Bachelor of Science in 1955 and a Master of Science degree in nuclear physics in 1956.[1]

Career in nuclear physics[edit]
Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.[2] Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman's professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA.[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman

If he did work 14 yrs in the industry... I am not sure why you suggest he had a failed career...

Was he continually being sacked as he was not upto the required standards ? or was he sacked later on in his career and decided to change to a UFO career ?

Maybe at the time it seemed a good alternative...
and maybe has been a better choice long term..

Back in the 70/80s many jobs in certain industries were either being lost or becoming more of a pain to be in..as employers wanted a lot more from their remaining employees with less staff after reduncies..


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Now a thought about Stanton Friedman

On his own website in his own biography Stanton says he never got a doctorate in Nuclear Physics and he only worked in the filed a few short years on projects that were all closed (or he was fired? )  In any case not an illustrius career. He gave it up to SELL UFO's yet has admitted he NEVER saw one...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 01:54:21 pm
Sinny,

 I think it depends..

If he did a good job.. then I think it will be worthwhile.

I was initially thinking that he may be doing a actual film type Movie..not just a documentary type program.

Which I personally would welcome if done well..or even a good standard documentary about it...
Both on John and Bob / their connection to the lazar story. He could do a series of connected ones ,,,maybe initially educating us about John and Bob and then the connection to the whole Lazar Story..

as long as it shows varying alternatives to it. unless of course he has obtained the real truth somehow..(but doubtful ... going of what "Shot in the darks" indicated discussion comments that he made.. suggesting that he did not seem very knowledgeable about the finer details of the Lazar story at that particular  time. ) will he be similar about Johns story ?

I would also very much like to see a VERY GOOD hollywood type  movie done about Bob Lazar...& John along the whole story showing both or several sides to the possibilities behind it..

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Astro, the last thing wee need is more documentaries based on this crap, if there's any thing worthwhile to share, written word is just as good and far less expensive.

I think A51 was suggesting that the Manmade UFOs from his research was suggesting even those that may have been Nazi type Saucers only had similar capabilities to the likes of the Avro...and could not operate at the speeds and turns that he suggested as that the ones he believed to be ET craft as far back as in the 1940's.

I am not sure How it maybe determined that the 1940s  Roswell type craft may vary to the ones that Bob Lazar referred to ! I think he seems to indicate that they were either the same or similar in design. but as we know there may have been various ones of differing design ..if what Bob suggested were at S4 and was proven as truth.

Maybe the Lazar Sports model craft operatiing design may vary from other 1940s craft (if they really have or do exist.)

Can I ask why you think that there may have been non piloted craft that may have operated with non conventional laws of Physics ?

Would this be like a high tech war weapon / Drone ?

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I still disagree with A51 ' s statements that we couldn't build our own 'UFO'S'. I don't believe them to be piloted tho. Some are, but not the ones that break the conventional laws of physics.

There is also a huge jump between lazar and Roswell, one that has not been satisfactorily demonstrated as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ArMaP on August 23, 2015, 02:27:33 pm
I am not sure how accurate Wikipedia is...but this is what it said about his qualifications and carear background while working 14 years as a nuclear physicist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman
You can look at the "References" section of that page and see that the reference for his studies points to:
Story, Ronald, editor, The Encyclopedia of UFOs; Garden City: Doubleday & Company, Inc, 1980, ISBN 0-385-13677-3
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 02:53:26 pm
Reading what you have said and after listening to that video showing a Hologaphic Presenter..based on what seems required to produce one..

Unless they have more advanced technology I think its seems unlikely that they could project a Hologram to show a moving object such as a UFO if I understand correctly.


Having Said that.. If I recall correctly..

At one time I think John Lear made a suggestion that the two Airplanes involved in the 9/11 World Trade Centre twin towers incident were holograms...

But he may later have made other alternative suggestions as to how the twin towers clapsed.

 IF they were Holgrapthic projections as flying aircraft.. then I think it would also be possible to create a similar scenerio with what look like Flying Saucers.



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I don't think projecting a hologram is possible, as a hologram needs a specific medium to work, but projecting a light on a surface with a hologram could, in theory, be done from space, and they could use the same laser used to create the hologram, achieving the best quality possible. The downside would be that the hologram "plate" would have to be placed somewhere, as that's a physical object.

If I think it needs further investigation I may check that out further... thank you !

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You can look at the "References" section of that page and see that the reference for his studies points to:
Story, Ronald, editor, The Encyclopedia of UFOs; Garden City: Doubleday & Company, Inc, 1980, ISBN 0-385-13677-3
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 03:31:26 pm
Yes weapons based platforms as described by Dr Peter Beter.
Even discarnate entities have gave us in depth descriptions of these craft.

Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.

And the facts are, no one knows anything about the 'Roswell' type craft, not in the depths of the Lazar sports model anyway. The two cases are leaps and bounds from each other.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on August 23, 2015, 04:20:39 pm


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Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.



Sinny
perhaps it is because  it is HIS version of events..of what he saw and documented and has added up for him

don't you feel the same about YOUR events?..they are what you have witnessed and documented to the best of your ability
can others question and poke at your story even though they weren't there and have other things they feel are correct?

perhaps it's all in the wording/language on both sides....

just my opinion as I watch you two go round and round
going back to observation mode again..sorry to butt in
hugs
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 04:27:31 pm
I'd prefer to continue this discussion when Watchers online so he can reply in real time, but..

From my end all I see is closed statements on his behalf such as 'humans can't build craft capable of those maneuvers'

'The only explanation is aliens'

'Forget individual cases look at alllllllllll these cases'

Yes I'm sure we keep exchanging the same comments in a round about manner, but the same topics keep resurfacing so it looks like we're both doomed to repeat ourselves lol.

I know A51 is not the only person presenting the same case as himself, and I don't intend this to be personal.I'm not out for a fight BTW. 

And Sky, if there's one thing I know, it's that my opinions on UFO'S are ever changing as new information presents it's self.

Remember when I thought everything was aliens??

It's easier to fool somebody than to convince them they've been fooled.

Still looking forward to Carrions book, I have faith in the notion that he'll lay much of this Roswell case to rest to boot.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 04:32:41 pm
I know that you have referred to Dr Beter for some time...I have not as yet looked into him in relevant detail to make any judgement. I will try to do so.

you have probably posted links and refs to his work or your views based on his suggestions...apologies if I did not get around to looking at it. :-[

so far on a quick initial search.. he seems to have a lot of Audio material...so I am not sure if there is related text content..

do you have a particular ref to his UFO / ET stuff that you recommend. is it on his website ?

www.peterdavidbeter.com

This is an above top secret thread on him.

Ever Heard of Dr. Peter Beter? No? Well Here Is Why!! Please Read W/Open Mind.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread717298/pg1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Beter

Does he refer to Discarnate Entities or have you found other refs to them ? or is it you own view..

I could not recall if you believed in such things  after you had done further research as time has gone on.

I thought if you don't believe in ETs on Earth..that you would not consider believing in other entities.


I could see possibilities in a theory to suggest that some of  the Saucer sightings could be that they are developed as weapons if Man has somehow created them to perform in the way we believe them to be ET craft. Its another possible theory to consider.

I am Not sure what the specific details maybe on the Roswell or 1940s Saucers (if details are available somewhere) in comparison to the Lazar Sports Model.

I can presently only recall the basic Saucer images that are suggested in the various refs to them that were made either in drawing or created images.

I don't think any actual  photographic evidence was ever given for the Roswell craft in terms of an actual Saucer.  there was some images and photos of the suggested debris...but not as what may have been the full expected basic shape of the larger parts of the general saucer shaped parts... and there fore few details of its design and operation.

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Yes weapons based platforms as described by Dr Peter Beter.
Even discarnate entities have gave us in depth descriptions of these craft.

Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.

And the facts are, no one knows anything about the 'Roswell' type craft, not in the depths of the Lazar sports model anyway. The two cases are leaps and bounds from each other.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on August 23, 2015, 04:35:12 pm
sinny
I know you aren't out for a fight
you are looking for answers
but you guys dont' seem to be getting anywhere

I guess I just should have said maybe by re-wording you can make some progress

cause so far every time I read it's same question - same answer

or maybe it's just apples and oranges.. ::) ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 04:36:39 pm
I know that you have referred to Dr Beter for some time...I have not as yet looked into him in relevant detail to make any judgement. I will try to do so.

That's reason why I haven't shut up about him hahaha.

All these dubious 'whistle blowers' mentioned on this site, there is NOTHING dubious about Dr. Beter XD
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 05:01:42 pm
In response to the rest of your post Astro, Dr  ever made NO mention of aliens or entities.  He stuck to verifiable facts only due to his social status... but there is no question that he with held certain information from us, he toed the line with his life and it cost him in the end.

The entities I am referring to specifically are Ra and The Awareness.
I believe there are more to, but I need to double check my facts before laying them down in text.

I am doubtful of ETH but I do believe in EDH.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 05:23:47 pm
On my initial very quick look so far..It seems he wrote or recorded a lot of material on various topics.

Do you recall ones or website links  that may relate more towards the UFO connection...that would save me hours of trying to go thru his material.

This is an above top secret thread on him.

Ever Heard of Dr. Peter Beter? No? Well Here Is Why!! Please Read W/Open Mind.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread717298/pg1

this website goes really deep into the rabbit hole ..

http://www.auricmedia.net/organic-robotoids-are-real-by-dr-peter-beter-clones-and-synthetic-people/

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That's reason why I haven't shut up about him hahaha.

All these dubious 'whistle blowers' mentioned on this site, there is NOTHING dubious about Dr. Beter XD
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on August 23, 2015, 05:32:58 pm
Its all very disturbing what has happened to some of the researchers and Scientist that we refer to..

So you mainly think that what some may think of as Alien type (Non Earth/ from other parts of the Universe who may visit our planet) ETs as being Inter-dimensional..

and the Ra / awareness maybe connected to this ?

If so is that just the beings or the Craft as well ?

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The entities I am referring to specifically are Ra and The Awareness.
I believe there are more to, but I need to double check my facts before laying them down in text.

I am doubtful of ETH but I do believe in EDH.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 06:45:02 pm
Yes my mind / memory would be in a very poor state or mind controlled if I did not recall your excellent Image analysis videos..

That strengthened my belief by a large % in Bobs / your story. Until its proven otherwise I believe what you and Bob have described and shown.

I very much look forward to seeing your other videos  if you are good enough to share them !

Although I still suspect some are either still unsure as yet and maybe over time in their further research they MAY get to really appreciate what you have created and shown us...Generally I am not sure that you have been given as much credit as you should have...maybe some people have not as yet clicked or understood the realities or what you have obtained....sometimes people need more time and further repeated reminders to get them to understand things to a relevant  level of appreciation...

or some will  still question or appreciate / understand the consequences of it. no matter how good something maybe..

I am not well enough qualified to attempt to do so..but from what I have seen.. its the best footage I have as yet to come by and so far no one has convinced me not to believe you or Bobs story.


That's good to hear.

As to holograms, I have to agree with Armap. The physical realities of projection preclude that from being the culprit in this case.


 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 06:52:09 pm
Let's not forget Mr. Knapp in all this too. He was pushing Corbell heavily, calling him 'The UFO Road Warrior' and defending him at every turn. I've saved all our convos with Knapp and Corbell from Facebook. The two are tied together. I had Knapp come on John's page to defend his good buddy when I called out Corbell on the release of Immaculate Deception. Hence not a peep outta either one. I thought of Knapp only in terms of the Lazar story, someone reporting on an extraordinary story, but after this experience with Corbell, everything he says is suspect. Including the Lazar story.
IMO

Rock

Sarge - George has been friends with John for a long time, long before Jeremy showed up.

I doubt he has any knowledge of his sketchy actions and would not approve if he found out.

Don't go painting George with the same brush until you get some proof he knows about it.

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 07:00:24 pm
Is a Doctorate a PHD ?

Yes

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If he did work 14 yrs in the industry... I am not sure why you suggest he had a failed career...

Graduated in 1956  got into UFO's 1958, started full time lecture circuit by 1967 :P

YOU do the math

 ::)

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Was he continually being sacked as he was not upto the required standards ? or was he sacked later on in his career and decided to change to a UFO career ?

Don't know if he was sacked :P It says all his jobs were cancelled People don't usually list being sacked ina resume

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Maybe at the time it seemed a good alternative...
and maybe has been a better choice long term..

Maybe  maybe not... but the money is good> I guess Nuclear Physics is a sad paying Job  I mean look at Bob Lazars paystub  :P

It is really very simple,,, the ONE REASON that UFO research is NOT being taken seriously is because ALL the whistle blowers, researches,  supposed insiders, charlatans, etc etc all call each other frauds. If they would have all gotten together and pooled resources,, all for one and one for all MAYBE we would get somewhere  But they are all busy touting themselves as being the only truth while calling the other guy frauds and liars.

Says on his bio  "He has provided written testimony to Congressional Hearings," That means Steven Greers "Disclosure Project"  You that is added credibility right there :P

It is no wonder that real insiders do not come forward other than cryptic hints via private letters. I don't blame them... because if the TRUTH from a real insider flies in the face of the latest popular BELIEF, he will be stoned and ridiculed and called a shill.

The only solution is look three times at EVERYTHING  keep the things that fit and turn up from various sources and shove all the rest in the trash bin. Only when the puzzle pieces fit the big picture do they have value... the rest is fluff and distraction.

And with just a little dogged research, it is easy to tell which puzzle pieces are part of the true picture
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 23, 2015, 07:02:29 pm
Its all very disturbing what has happened to some of the researchers and Scientist that we refer to..

So you mainly think that what some may think of as Alien type (Non Earth/ from other parts of the Universe who may visit our planet) ETs as being Inter-dimensional..

and the Ra / awareness maybe connected to this ?

If so is that just the beings or the Craft as well ?

That's a correct assessment and yes I think they account for the non terrestrial craft we witness, along side critters.

Google 'FIRE FROM THE SKY BATTLE OF HARVEST MOON' for info on the tech I am making reference to. It's a compilation of Beters relevant work composed by Calvin.... the name escapes me.... Barkun? ?

To expand further, and I am just repeating myself, obviously I believe in non terrestrial UFO'S,  I just remain verrry skeptical of nuts n bolts grey invasions haha.

No doubt the sort of people Z talks to know full well what I'm referring to, but I'm not privileged enough to have them discuss that business with me. I have been trying to trace more credible sources who have continued Beters work from their own angles but pickings are in short supply, and the leads I do find don't come in the English language. I have little to no faith in anyone participating in these UFO circuits, for reasons s explained by Carrion and Zorgon.

Time will always tell, lucky for me I still have at least 50 years of natural age left to see me through. Neeeneeeneeennaa :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 07:17:16 pm
Well actually it DOES compute if you look at Bob's story..

Well I still don't see the payoff for them.

A rogue element wanting disclosure perhaps, but certainly not officially sanctioned.

Speaking of missing time, John discusses in an interview how Bob told him about an incident where he was inside a powered up craft for 20 minutes tops and when he came out something like 6 hours had gone by.

John said he had forgotten all about that until the interviewer had brought it up.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 07:27:00 pm
Now a thought about Stanton Friedman

On his own website in his own biography Stanton says he never got a doctorate in Nuclear Physics and he only worked in the filed a few short years on projects that were all closed (or he was fired? )  In any case not an illustrius career. He gave it up to SELL UFO's yet has admitted he NEVER saw one...

His claim to 'fame' is the Bob Lazar story. No matter where he goes people who respect him 'because he is a nuclear scientist' ALWAYS ask "What about Bob?"

Stanton would be a failed nobody if he didn't ride Bob's coat tails.

Whether or not you believe Bob's entire story... why would Stanton know ANYTHING? Just because he is a 'nuclear scientist' (failed career)?  Seem there is more money on the UFO circuit than there is in Nuclear Physics :P

Even today, on Stanton front page you see the BASH BOB thread

I spoke to Stanton briefly at the conference. He had a heart attack last year and didn't remember me at all.

He didn't look well but I hope he continues to recover.

In one of the most recent interviews I have seen with him he seems a bit more contrite, and chooses his words more carefully now like "I never said his story is not true, I just have not seen any evidence to support it".



   
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 08:19:01 pm
Well I still don't see the payoff for them.

Not saying he was but the evidence says it is a possibility. The payoff? Well that would be the same as the Avro Saucer story.

I was in Canada at the time the story was still fresh. The news media had gotten wind that Canada and the USA was working on a secret base on the Alberta USA border on NAZI saucer technology captures in Europe. There were even maps of flight paths that showed a possible source of the Kenneth Arnold Saucer... It was this story that got me seriously into UFO'S when I was a kid...

So because too many looky loos were heading to Alberta... they released the Avro Car... and the Press and most everyone else went away laughing at the joke that was the Avro...

That completely removed the threat of curious onlookers at the time... So what do they have to gain?

Well Area 51 had the same situation... so give them what they want   sorta.  Area 51 is now a tourist hotspot but we see nothing new since Bob's et all videos

So like the Avro story the real work carries on elswhere

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Speaking of missing time, John discusses in an interview how Bob told him about an incident where he was inside a powered up craft for 20 minutes tops and when he came out something like 6 hours had gone by.

That is one part that makes it on my 'likely true" list :D

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John said he had forgotten all about that until the interviewer had brought it up.

Seems to be a lot of lost memory around UFO's... I wonder if there are any studies on memory effects under strong energy fields?

10 Things an Electromagnetic Field Can Do to Your Brain
http://io9.com/5851828/10-things-an-electromagnetic-field-can-do-to-your-brain

THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303201129

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References to "Mag Lag" also known as the subtle effect on cognitive processes of MRI machine operators who sometimes have to go into the scanner room to check the patients and deal with issues that occur during the scan could suggest a link between magnetic fields and consciousness. Memory loss and delays in information processing have been reported, in some cases several hours after exposure. [23]

One hypothesis is that magnetic fields in the 0.5-9 Tesla range can affect the ion permeability of neural membranes, in fact this could account for a lot of the issues seen as this would affect many different brain functions.

And those are relatively WEAK fields... there are no studies available on the effects of standing near a gGravitron
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 08:28:11 pm
"I never said his story is not true, I just have not seen any evidence to support it".

Now THAT is interesting indeed :D

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 23, 2015, 08:33:11 pm
On a different note...

Will MUFON and CSI take the UFO Best Evidence Challenge?

Well we were not invited to the party :(

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The challenge will begin when crowdfunding has reached the $100,000.00 mark. MUFON will have a four month period to present its best evidence and CSI will have a four month period to produce its analytical report. The panel of judges will have two weeks to deliberate before presenting a winner with a check for $100,000.00.

After MUFON and CSI have publicly accepted the challenge I will set up a crowdfunding website for donations at tilt.com. The cool thing about this crowdfunding site is that those who pledge will not be charged unless the $100,000.00 level is first met. So if the whole $100,000.00 cannot be publicly raised than no one loses a dime.

The question is will MUFON and CSI take the UFO Best Evidence Challenge, or will they just pay lip service to their mission statements? The gauntlet has been thrown and I sincerely hope MUFON and CSI pick it up and embrace their raison d'être as nonprofits and more importantly allow the public to see real science at work – not the mockery of science that we are fed by the media machine. In the process may the best science win!

100,000.00  My my...

Rest of the story here..
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2015/08/will-mufon-and-csi-take-ufo-best.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 08:41:40 pm
This is one of the issues I was going to raise.  I'm of the belief that Bob  did have a brief work history at said locations but that he was CHOSEN to be the 'leak'. I doubt it was his own free will, whether he's aware of that or not. I found A51s Snowden analogy to be accurate, but for different reasons to A51.

Look, the payoff for releasing details on the most secret project and technology in our possession would have to be HUGE.

I don't see the payoff anywhere. How would you pitch such an idea to your boss?

If it was planned release as Z says, why didn't they allow Bob to continue to take John and his friends out there to see the test flights and continue to work there? 

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I still disagree with A51 ' s statements that we couldn't build our own 'UFO'S'. I don't believe them to be piloted tho. Some are, but not the ones that break the conventional laws of physics.

Because fans on batteries ain't gonna getcha there.

No reason why not piloted. Evidence shows them to react individually to stimuli such as radar and approaching aircraft.

I saw them react to alarm flares. So humans CAN survive such speeds and maneuvers, but it requires a special field.

Bob saw one in contact by human voice radio with control center and react to orders.


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There is also a huge jump between lazar and Roswell, one that has not been satisfactorily demonstrated as far as I'm concerned.

The connection is simple - even to this day nobody in the world is doing 15k and 90 degree turns piloted or not.

The craft out there certainly do, and as amazing as it is to watch... it is old news.

This technology has been demonstrated since Roswell and continues to this day.

That's the connection.


Military scientists even took into consideration Atomic powered craft from another nation as a possible source, and quite rightly reported that such technology was beyond the grasp of any nation on earth at that time. Atomic craft may sound impressive by name, but in reality what do you do with such power. Fan blades?

A good read on what German Atomic scientists were actually up to and what level they had secretly achieved during the war is the recently declassified White Hall recordings that were secretly made of the detained scientists while they were being held incommunicado for many months after the war.   

Much closer than we have been led to believe.

Close, but no cigar.

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 09:02:00 pm
Yes weapons based platforms as described by Dr Peter Beter.
Even discarnate entities have gave us in depth descriptions of these craft.

Therefore I want to know why A51 keeps dismissing these other accounts from his version of events.

And the facts are, no one knows anything about the 'Roswell' type craft, not in the depths of the Lazar sports model anyway. The two cases are leaps and bounds from each other.

Actually I put together a collection of just the speeds and maneuvers reported in 1947 and posted it in the Roswell thread.

I got a good laugh while doing it because I recognized all the speeds and maneuvers reported, as the same ones I had seen out there.

Same exact stuff. So capability is the same.

Not many modes of travel can account for that.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 09:17:42 pm
Not saying he was but the evidence says it is a possibility. The payoff? Well that would be the same as the Avro Saucer story.

I was in Canada at the time the story was still fresh. The news media had gotten wind that Canada and the USA was working on a secret base on the Alberta USA border on NAZI saucer technology captures in Europe. There were even maps of flight paths that showed a possible source of the Kenneth Arnold Saucer... It was this story that got me seriously into UFO'S when I was a kid...

So because too many looky loos were heading to Alberta... they released the Avro Car... and the Press and most everyone else went away laughing at the joke that was the Avro...

That completely removed the threat of curious onlookers at the time... So what do they have to gain?

Well Area 51 had the same situation... so give them what they want   sorta.  Area 51 is now a tourist hotspot but we see nothing new since Bob's et all videos

So like the Avro story the real work carries on elswhere

Seems like a stretch... but maybe, I guess.

Big risk giving people 3 years to take a peek before the new digs were ready.


 

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 09:29:17 pm

Astro - Shot pm'd me and we got things sorted. Good to go no worries.

And of course I will share future videos as I always have.

I do have plans for a book about the Roswell year, and a movie about my experience in the desert. 


eta: Shot you asked about not being able to find my videos.

Silly wabbit, they are marked unlisted on the YT page and the only way to find them are the links in my threads here on Peggy.  8)

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 23, 2015, 10:50:50 pm

re: the Roswell connection


The most common reaction I get to my year of Roswell material is "Wow, and I thought I knew a lot about Roswell!"

Even among UFO believers, most have only ever heard about 'the crash', and those more aware, at most have heard about the Arnold sighting 2 weeks prior.

In general, the hurricane of sightings for that entire year is a pretty well kept secret, even in the UFO community.

This leaves that era ripe for closer examination. I continue to urge others to assist in doing so.

In looking over all the sightings for that year, several patterns quickly emerge. One of them is their extremely advanced capabilities.

The military also kept a close eye on who had what capabilities at any given time.

Even in theory, nobody could do what was being reported.

1947 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (was the most common report all year)

1989 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (in the Nevada desert)

I reckon they are related.  ;)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on August 24, 2015, 04:06:34 am
re: the Roswell connection


The most common reaction I get to my year of Roswell material is "Wow, and I thought I knew a lot about Roswell!"

Even among UFO believers, most have only ever heard about 'the crash', and those more aware, at most have heard about the Arnold sighting 2 weeks prior.

In general, the hurricane of sightings for that entire year is a pretty well kept secret, even in the UFO community.

This leaves that era ripe for closer examination. I continue to urge others to assist in doing so.

In looking over all the sightings for that year, several patterns quickly emerge. One of them is their extremely advanced capabilities.

The military also kept a close eye on who had what capabilities at any given time.

Even in theory, nobody could do what was being reported.

1947 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (was the most common report all year)

1989 - Silver metallic saucer thingy's defying physics (in the Nevada desert)

I reckon they are related.  ;)

But there was no 'year' of Roswell, Roswell was a single event.
The UFO wave is something separate, it's a UFO wave.
And whilst you compilation of those events is extremely useful, I disagree with the method and means by which you are applying you logic.

You say that in theory we were incapable of recreating those capabilities (which I concede some of are not terredtrial) . But I say, who are you to state that? The oh holy oracle? Your claiming to know the scientific advancements of every government group and individual.

We have man made saucer that defy physics today, so who's to say we didn't have them in the 40s??

And simply stating 'We we visited by UFO'S in the 1940S and now we are building them' doesn't equate to a solid connection between Roswell and Lazar at all. Perhaps in a broad abstract sense, but nothing more. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 24, 2015, 01:08:16 pm
I do have plans for a book about the Roswell year, and a movie about my experience in the desert.

Awesome!! John's book should be ready soon :D  And I hear errr a certain movie producer is looking to do a movie on Johns life. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 24, 2015, 01:39:13 pm

Terminology used to describe the wave accompanying the Roswell incident that year is in the eye of the beholder.

Since it was raining saucers all year, when something odd comes down in the middle of it and is covered up, what is one inclined to think? Especially when those who were actually there confirm that suspicion. 

Petulant frenzy's really don't suit you and do nothing to bolster your case. A better tac would be to provide some evidence that we can or could in fact recreate those capabilities and by what means and in what year.   

I state we did not have that capability based on current evidence on display and past history on display.

I have never stated 'now we are building them' or seen any evidence to suggest we can. Got yer wires crossed there.

You seem to think someone today (or in the past) is building 15k - 90 craft. Got any links?

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on August 24, 2015, 01:50:18 pm


pssssssssssttttt  51

you gonna sell em here?...or where?
I think there's a place on here for that
and if I ask real nice like will ya sign mine?
I don't pay for autographs but i'll pay extra postage cause it'll be heavier with the extra ink  ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 24, 2015, 02:01:54 pm

pssssssssssttttt  51

you gonna sell em here?...or where?
I think there's a place on here for that
and if I ask real nice like will ya sign mine?
I don't pay for autographs but i'll pay extra postage cause it'll be heavier with the extra ink  ;)

Hah!  ;D

Well geez I might have to pay you for assistance on the book with all that you dug up and provided.   ;D

If I do a book signing in your area I will sign as much as you like  ;)

I might provide an un- bleeped copy of the audio for the movie as well!  :P


5^s back and wavin  8)




Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on August 24, 2015, 02:09:34 pm


bwhahahahahahahahahah
pay me ? ? ? lol.. tell ya what..
put a tinie tiny pic of an otter anywhere in there and we're square ;D
or not and we're still square  ;D

and if you are going around doing a book signing you sure as hell better be
putting it on here for all to know where you is gonna be and when.. 8)

you got a pub date yet or  are you still typing?  8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 24, 2015, 02:12:07 pm
Awesome!! John's book should be ready soon :D  And I hear errr a certain movie producer is looking to do a movie on Johns life.

Oh very cool! The book is what I'm most looking forward to.  John has never been known to pull any punches. 8)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 24, 2015, 02:32:04 pm

you got a pub date yet or  are you still typing?  8)

I'll be waiting with a big sharpie and a gleam in my eye!  ;)  ;D

Yeah the rough draft is in place, but still working on the footnotes and sources. Ugh!

I was inspired by Sitchin in that regard. The sheer volume of them makes an impressive thump when putting the book down for inspection Hah!

Add to that some new (to me) sightings I have to add now, as if there were not enough already.  ::)

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 24, 2015, 02:47:32 pm
Hey Sin - I am always willing to entertain new evidence and theories, but have stated from the beginning I am a nuts and bolts kinda guy when it comes to UFO's.

And as such I tend to stick with what I (and we) have uncovered first hand, and don't go too far out on any limbs other than that.

All the rest could well be smoke and mirrors.

I am aware of many of the alternate theories out there, but to date still find their evidence lacking and am not convinced.


Many of us do read your links to alternative theories and encourage you to keep them coming.

Some will be convinced while others will not.

Can't be helped.



 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 24, 2015, 04:35:18 pm
Awesome!! John's book should be ready soon :D  And I hear errr a certain movie producer is looking to do a movie on Johns life.

And I know who Marilee wants to play John in the movie!
 8)
Rock
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 24, 2015, 07:12:14 pm
Oh very cool! The book is what I'm most looking forward to.  John has never been known to pull any punches. 8)

Well apparently Johns daughter has been working on it for a few years and Marilee says it is almost ready.

As for the movie this is UNOFFICIAL so I will share that via PM   Sgt knows already :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ShotInTheDark on August 26, 2015, 10:54:45 pm
Just thought I would clarify something here. Anthony J Hilder put that banner up saying John Lear was an SR-71 pilot it was back in 1994. Here's the quote from Hilder the original video which Hilder says below:

"For the record....John Lear Never Flew a SR71 (text at 2min:07 seconds), was an editing error by a video editor who edited the film many years ago. Interview of John Lear, test pilot and son of lear jet inventor, talks about aliens Ufos and goings on in his area of Las Vegas."



This interview is very interesting Lear talks about Salim Bin Laden at 15:45 I think its was Osamas brother and how they run construction and oil in Saudi Arabia back in 1994.

He also talks about the underground base SANDIA back in 1994 you must listen the whole video.

[youtube]ABahoanreFY[/youtube]

Then we have former airline pilot (retired) Mike Dinans testimony which ties into these hidden runways or Holographic Runways I think Lear knows him.

That can be seen at 20:47 of this link which happened in 1988 near or over Groom Lake when I mapped this out I think the holographic runway may had been on DogBone Dry lake but could be wrong.

http://www.mojvideo.com/video-the-unexplained-files-paranormal-highway-of-america/b42922272d849c2fca90
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on August 31, 2015, 06:28:43 pm
I've been scanning the net for reaction to the Dr. Krangle information, and the crack in the wall of skepticism is much larger than I would have suspected.

In general -

Dubunkers remain in stunned silence, apparently having no luck so far in finding any evidence to discredit him.

Ordinary Skeptics however seem to be getting off the fence in droves, saying this indeed tips the scales heavily in favor of Bob.

Many are trying to act like they believed him all along.

Fundamentalists maintain the ufo-demonic manifestation connection remains. 


Stanton Friedman has taken a serious step backward, and now admits it appears Bob did work there, and had a security clearance!

He looked up Dr. Krangle's ph number and called him up!  8) Spoke for an hour and came away with no qualms!

His first meal of eating crow didn't sound like it tasted very good!

HAH!  ;D

I'm sure he hears footsteps.


Interview here he starts speaking about Dr. Krangle at 33:50 -

http://apnifb.com/watch/rGAm2erzz5I (http://apnifb.com/watch/rGAm2erzz5I)

What will he say when the next witness comes forward? LOL  ;D



I also found a free copy of the Dr. Krangle interview from Jeremy -

PODCAST #2 / EXTRAORDINARY BELIEFS / WITNESS DR. ROBERT KRANGLE / BOB LAZAR & LOS ALAMOS

https://vimeo.com/132187335 (https://vimeo.com/132187335)

"Join Investigative Filmmaker Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell as he interviews Engineering Physicist, Dr. Robert Krangle. Dr. Krangle (PHD) is an Albuquerque based scientist, who received his doctorate from MIT in 1973 in semi-conductor physics. Krangle has been an engineering consultant to Sandia Labs in Albuquerque and Los Alamos since 1980. He still works at both places from time to time. He has at least 50 US patents and is the man who invented the laser range finder that is now used in police traffic radar units. He has worked on heat-seeking missile technology for the military, and has helped invent the laser micrometer. Dr. Krangle is a “problem solver”, a “left-field” guy. So here's where it gets interesting… He’s NOT a UFO guy… he’s strictly a scientist who worked at Los Alamos. And he also happened to go into great detail regarding Bob Lazar, as he remembers “Bob the Nuclear Physicist” from Los Alamos in the 1980’s. He said, “We all knew Bob committed professional suicide when he told about what he was working on for the military”. More importantly, Dr. Krangle made it clear that he met Lazar, knew Lazar professionally, and that Lazar was present at security briefings at Los Alamos (not something a janitor would be included in)."

---

So far, no mention of Jeremy's sketchy actions with John have been addressed anywhere I have seen.

So are we to dismiss Dr. Krangle's evidence because it was uncovered by a seemingly unprincipled investigator?

Anybody personally working to corroborate his background?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on August 31, 2015, 07:59:04 pm
This will be my last post on this subject only because Corbell's name came up. I have problems with the Lazar story, not that it is not necessarily true, but too many holes and sketchy info for me. John Lear was tied to Bob and he believed him. News flash, I don't agree with John all the time. He tells the truth as he sees it and he's honest. He says all the time he could change his mind on anything. Marilee told me that's one of the reasons John doesn't want to release his book, cause he's afraid he'll change his mind on something's.
Back to Corbell. The guy knows absolutely nothing at all. He's a huckster opportunist. He's s lair, and commits fraud. IMHO! Knapp probably turned him on to Krangle and he's pushing the story. Not because he believes any of it, it's just the money & noteraity and a way to push his career as the UFO Road Warrior. (Knapp's name for him.) this is all my opinion based on my conversations with both. It has left a very bad taste in my mouth and I'm really disgusted with the whole affair. I'm sorry if I've pissed people off here, that was not my intent, but that's the way it is.

Rock
Ps. (Ron, if I've said anything here that you find questionable, feel free to edit it or delete it)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on August 31, 2015, 10:34:47 pm
Ps. (Ron, if I've said anything here that you find questionable, feel free to edit it or delete it)

One question  Who are you and what did you do with the REAL Sgt? :P

On Corbell  talked to John yesterday  and will go see him tomorrow or likely wednesday. John says NO WORD from Corbell since we were over there
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 01, 2015, 02:54:38 am
One question  Who are you and what did you do with the REAL Sgt? :P

That's two questions!

The REAL Sgt. Is waiting for more lots to be sold.  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on September 01, 2015, 04:09:56 am
Might have to wait till we get a new space agency :P No one trusts NASA
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on September 01, 2015, 06:43:34 am
Hey Sin - I am always willing to entertain new evidence and theories, but have stated from the beginning I am a nuts and bolts kinda guy when it comes to UFO's.

And as such I tend to stick with what I (and we) have uncovered first hand, and don't go too far out on any limbs other than that.

All the rest could well be smoke and mirrors.

I am aware of many of the alternate theories out there, but to date still find their evidence lacking and am not convinced.


Many of us do read your links to alternative theories and encourage you to keep them coming.

Some will be convinced while others will not.

Can't be helped.

Sorry I'm late to the party.  Phone crashed mid post so this will be shorter.  I suppose I struggle with your enthusiasm in regards to the nuts and bolts  theory of the phenomena due to taking into account the dismissal of such notions by:  http://www.mt.net/~watcher/quotes.html

The evidence I will present if urged to will come from some of those peeps in the link, and others. 

I am curious as to why you believe in the nuts and bolts theory other other theories, if you could compose so in a nut shell. 

Thanks in advance. 

ETA for clarity I also believe in nuts and bolts but I believe those ones to be. MIL or private enterprise.  The none terrestrial ones I believe to be inter dimensional.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 01, 2015, 09:59:23 am
Sarge - George has been friends with John for a long time, long before Jeremy showed up.

I doubt he has any knowledge of his sketchy actions and would not approve if he found out.

Don't go painting George with the same brush until you get some proof he knows about it.

Sorry can't help myself here.

So is that why Knapp came on John's page to support Mr.4 names AFTER I caught him posting AS John, pushing his OTHER projects? Coincidentally Knapp and 4names are good buds/partners?

Ok
Done
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Gigas on September 01, 2015, 12:41:09 pm
Here's a curious little dab will do ya.

The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers.

Is Lazar and Bigelow partners and when was this corporation listed

Anyone!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on September 01, 2015, 05:53:07 pm


Aww that's nice to hear Sarge.

Once your feeling better why don't you come back and tell us all about it.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.


Hey Z, care to fill us in with the real scoop?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on September 01, 2015, 05:54:44 pm


Sinny -

I will be glad to explain when time permits.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on September 02, 2015, 12:13:48 pm
The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers.

Is Lazar and Bigelow partners and when was this corporation listed

Anyone!

Not seeing it come up  either active or revoked  Is that the registered name?

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Gigas on September 02, 2015, 01:46:29 pm
Not seeing it come up  either active or revoked  Is that the registered name?

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/

They wiped Lazar's history and this may have gone bye bye as well.

Edit: Fixed by by to bye bye. That is all.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Gigas on September 02, 2015, 02:45:01 pm
David Darlington wrote a book in 1997 called, Area 51 Dreamland Chronicles. He mentions the Bigelow Lazar connection but no details of that connection other then what I screen popped below. So, this was known back before 1997. Now what is going on here I wonder.


(http://s4.postimg.org/8szepb2zh/Bigelow_Lazar.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 02, 2015, 04:29:27 pm
Ask Glenn Campbell about Bigelow/Lazar/Zeta Reticuli
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on September 02, 2015, 04:51:13 pm
only reference I could find so far

http://area51looseends.blogspot.com/2011/10/lazar-story-fraud-for-bigelow-funding.html

Area 51 Loose ends by Glenn Campbell


Saturday, October 1, 2011

Some details not mentioned in the article..
•The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers. As the story goes, Lazar not only worked with Element 115; he managed to smuggle some of it out, and the corporation was somehow intended to test or exploit it. (So much for intense base security! How can a low-level employee smuggle what is arguably the most precious substance on Earth?) We still don't know the purpose or business plan of the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation. The only thing certain is that it existed. We can also assume that when a private corporation is formed, its intent is to make money.

....................................

this looks like some sort of game ?  ?


https://beta.eve-kill.net/corporation/1074304501/

.............................

this one is hard to read


Catalog of Copyright Entries. Third Series: 1976: January-June



https://books.google.com/books?id=YkghAQAAIAAJ

Library of Congress. Copyright Office - 1977 - ?Copyright
Appl. au: The Mead Corporation d.b.a. Mead Data Central, Inc. 8 The Mead ... A716945. The Zeta reticuli incident. ... Medicws Systems Corporation; 5Feb76; A716946. ... 1 6 2. © Stenotype Institute of Fort Lauderdale, Inc. ; 1Feb76; A716961.


still looking
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on September 02, 2015, 07:28:24 pm
only reference I could find so far

http://area51looseends.blogspot.com/2011/10/lazar-story-fraud-for-bigelow-funding.html

Area 51 Loose ends by Glenn Campbell


Saturday, October 1, 2011

Some details not mentioned in the article..
•The registration for the "Zeta Reticuli 2" corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers. As the story goes, Lazar not only worked with Element 115; he managed to smuggle some of it out, and the corporation was somehow intended to test or exploit it. (So much for intense base security!

(How can a low-level employee smuggle what is arguably the most precious substance on Earth?)

We still don't know the purpose or business plan of the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation. The only thing certain is that it existed. We can also assume that when a private corporation is formed, its intent is to make money.

....................................


Answer:

- Because Bob never smuggled any out, ya dope, that's how!

(Gawd, ya know... people USED to have the good sense not to comment on matters they know nothing of. That never stopped Glenn or other idiots from runnin their mouths though.)

- The pieces of E115 that were 'borrowed' did not come from S4 and not from Bob. Any guesses on where they came from, and who borrowed them?

- Any guesses on how many pieces their were and what happened to them?

---

Anyways thx for looking sky. If I had the time I would pop on that forum and answer Einstein's question personally.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on September 02, 2015, 07:48:39 pm
[youtube]DceaEUUcXpI[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceaEUUcXpI
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Gigas on September 03, 2015, 05:53:48 pm
I got this on the Bigelow Zeti Recticlui 2 : Zeta Reticuli 2, Incorporated 1/30/90
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: ArMaP on September 04, 2015, 01:23:06 am
I got this on the Bigelow Zeti Recticlui 2 : Zeta Reticuli 2, Incorporated 1/30/90
Do you have a source for that?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: space otter on September 04, 2015, 07:16:46 am

my current comment is consider the source before you jump
it truly sounds like mr. B is a man on a mission
but I'm disillusioned about mufon..sigh






http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bigelows_aerospace_and_saucer_emporium/

Bigelow’s Aerospace and Saucer Emporium
Psychic Vibrations
Robert Sheaffer
Skeptical Inquirer Volume 33.4, July / August 2009
Perhaps you’ve seen news stories about Bigelow Aerospace, founded by Las Vegas real estate millionaire Robert Bigelow, who made his money with his chain of Budget Suites hotels. Following a path quite different from that of other companies involved in commercial space ventures, Bigelow Aerospace has a bold plan to launch an inflatable, orbiting space station as a destination for space tourists by 2012. The company plans to offer the well-heeled tourist the opportunity for a four-week sojourn in its orbiting space station for $15 million. But unlike some space entrepreneurs whose plans never leave earth, Bigelow Aerospace has already succeeded in orbiting two of its prototype modules on Russian rockets: Genesis I in 2006 and Genesis II in 2007. These are inflatable modules with sophisticated cameras and electronic packages to demonstrate the feasibility of this unique and untried approach. As of this writing, both modules remain in orbit and continue to send back data. In 2006, Bigelow Aerospace was awarded the Innovator Award by the Arthur C. Clarke Foundation.

But there is one space-related issue troubling Mr. Bigelow, one on which he feels the need to obtain, even at potentially great cost, the best counsel available: UFOs. It is not clear whether he fears that UFOs will interfere with his future orbiting hotel chain or if he believes that UFOs harbor some secrets of propulsion or anti-gravity that his engineers might someday be able to put to good use. Whichever it is, Bigelow has contracted MUFON, the largest UFO group in the U.S., with potentially very large sums of money for the pursuit of first-hand UFO information. Indeed, longtime UFO activist Ed Komarek is suggesting that Bigelow’s goal is nothing less than an “alien reengineering project.”

Bigelow has a long history in the matter of UFOs and “paranormal” subjects. He was the principal sponsor of the Las Vegas-based National Institute for Discovery Sciences (NIDS) from its founding in 1995 until it was placed on “inactive status” in 2004. The NIDS Web site is still up (http://www.nidsci.org) but apparently has not been updated since 2004. It reports on a number of UFO investigations, alleged cattle mutilations, and other far-out stuff. The best-known and most controversial project undertaken by NIDS was its purchase of a supposedly “haunted” ranch in Utah (reported in this column back in May/June 1998), which some describe as a “Hyperdimensional Portal Area” or “Stargate.” The ranch is said to be infested by an alien or paranormal shape-shifting creature known as “Skinwalker,” taking its name from Native American legends similar to European legends about werewolves. NIDS researchers investigated the ranch starting in 1996. They compiled an impressive collection of what might be termed “ghost stories” but, in spite of having access to sophisticated electronic equipment, failed to obtain any actual proof that anything unexplainable was going on. For a collection of wild claims and stories about this ranch, check out http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_TheRanch.html. Rumor has it that MUFON will now take over the investigation of this “haunted” place.

It might be most accurate to describe MUFON as “the largest remaining UFO group in the U.S.” since there used to be others of at least its size. Founded in Illinois in 1969 by Walt Andrus, it was originally known as the Midwest UFO Network. Geographically, it was positioned between its better-known rivals the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP), headquartered in Washington, D.C., and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO) in Tucson, Arizona. However, each of these UFO groups maintained its own far-flung roster of investigators and “scientific consultants” so that any group might have a presence more or less anywhere. Andrus had originally been affiliated with APRO but got into a feud with its directors, the late Coral and Jim Lorenzen, and struck off on his own. With the demise of its rivals, MUFON found itself the last man standing. It reformulated itself as the Mutual UFO Network and picked up many of the fading groups’ most active and valuable members.

Walt Andrus remained at the helm of MUFON until his retirement in 2000. I met Andrus at the National UFO Conference in Phoenix in 1984. He was an irascible man who appeared untroubled by doubts about UFOs and who was barely able to tolerate skepticism in any form. He described my 1981 skeptical book The UFO Verdict as “an insult to the intelligence” of the reader. During the Andrus years, MUFON publicly booted out a number of its most prominent investigators for the sin of being too skeptical about one UFO case or another that Andrus was determined to defend, most notably Ed Walters’s absurdly unconvincing hoax UFO photos from Gulf Breeze, Florida. Probably Andrus found that the publicity over the Gulf Breeze photos was helping MUFON gain members, and thus criticism of the case was unwelcome within MUFON no matter how solid and factual.

John Schuessler took over MUFON until his own retirement in 2006, succeeded by the much younger James Carrion. I heard Carrion speak to Mensa last year in Denver and chatted with him afterward. Clearly more cautious than Andrus and not so hostile to skeptical questions, Carrion admitted to a great deal of uncertainty concerning UFOs and would not even make a defense of the Roswell crash claims. His position is essentially the same as that of the late J. Allen Hynek, former scientific advisor for the U.S. Air Force’s Project Bluebook: he is sure that UFOs represent something unknown and significant but does not claim to know what.

Since it became a national organization (now headquartered in Colorado), MUFON has appointed state directors, subdirectors, and investigators, as well as establishing local groups that sponsor lectures and meetings. Throw a dart at a map of the U.S., and wherever it may land, MUFON will have some person whose responsibility it is to investigate a UFO report at that location. While MUFON may seem large, it is very thin. With 2,500 members spread nationwide, this means that an average-sized state will have about fifty members, most of whom do nothing except receive the publication. In reality, 80 to 90 percent of the members of a volunteer organization typically contribute little if any useful work, which shows how thinly spread organized UFOlogy is.

It is exactly this matter of “a volunteer organization” that Bigelow is seeking to change. Bigelow’s proposal is to generously fund the efforts of MUFON investigators to enable them to respond quickly to alleged UFO incidents. The agreement between Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) and MUFON sets up a “Star Team Impact Project” (SIP), with an initial funding period from five months to a year, with the option to renew for a second year. Investigations will be limited to cases where physical effects of a UFO are reported or where “living beings” are allegedly sighted or where “reality transformation” is said to occur. “Lights seen in the sky” do not qualify for paid investigation, a decision with which Hynek would have surely agreed. Anyone who is already a MUFON investigator can apply for a position with SIP, although new or inexperienced investigators are expected to demonstrate their skills by performing investigations of routine UFO sightings before moving up to SIP. Additionally, Bigelow is in the process of contracting up to fifty scientists, who are expected to be on the scene within twenty-four hours after significant UFO incidents, to perform state-of-the-art investigations of whatever artifacts or data the SIP investigators may obtain. All of the investigators’ travel expenses will be covered, as well as a paid stipend of $100 per day of investigation. Incentive payments and bonuses are also available for those whose contributions excel. The results of SIP’s first few months of investigations are scheduled to be presented at MUFON’s annual convention in Denver this August.

While Bigelow and MUFON are no doubt expecting great results, perhaps even dramatic breakthroughs, from investigations of UFOs in near-real time, this “Star Team” is not, however, the first attempt within organized UFOlogy to create a “rapid response team” to quickly investigate reports. In an article in Playboy (December 1967), Hynek proposed (and later implemented) a national toll-free UFO Hotline to be “manned 24 hours a day by competent interrogators capable of recognizing a true UFO report from a prankster’s report.... If the report passes preliminary and immediate screening, headquarters notifies the local police and they rush to the scene.” He explained how he expected solid and irrefutable UFO data “within a year of the initiation of such a no-nonsense program.” But in a moment of perhaps unguarded optimism, Hynek added, “if the UFO-1000 program is sincerely and intensively carried out for a full year and yields nothing, this, in itself, would be of great negative significance. Then we could go back to the ‘real, common-sense world’ of pre-UFO days—shrugging it all off with ‘There must have been a virus going around.’”

In an interview in Saga UFO Report (August 1976), Hynek explained how his national hotline was working out: “In an unprecedented move, the FBI printed an article of mine in their monthly bulletin [February 1975]. We furnished them with a special toll-free number which they can call 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Every night we get at least one call ... we contact one of our 300 regional representatives, and they go and interview the witnesses. Geiger counters, soil samples, physiological effects, etc., are all involved in the investigation.” Hynek gave no explanation of why he had not given up on UFOs as he earlier said he would if a year-long study yielded no solid evidence.

Other “rapid response” efforts to catch UFOs have likewise been attempted. Peter Davenport’s National UFO Reporting Center has been collecting UFO reports on its telephone hotline since 1974, many from law enforcement and emergency service agencies, yet UFO proof continues to elude them. In 1977 France’s CNES, their equivalent of NASA, created the agency GEPAN to officially sponsor investigations of UFO reports. It, too, failed to come up with anything really convincing, and CNES terminated all UFO investigations in 2004. In the late 1990s, when according to news reports Mexico City was being inundated by a Saucer Blitz, Mexican UFOlogist and TV personality Jaime Mausson organized Los Vigilantes, who were supposed to be ready to respond to saucer reports with cameras and such at very short notice. They never obtained anything of significance, so far as I am aware. Obviously Bigelow and MUFON must expect that their “rapid response” efforts will bear more fruit than these others did, although I cannot see any reason to expect them to have any greater success than others who valiantly chased the UFO will-of-the-wisp.


Robert Sheaffer
Robert Sheaffer's "Psychic Vibrations" column has appeared in the Skeptical Inquirer for the past thirty years. He is also author of UFO Sightings: The Evidence (Prometheus 1998). He blogs at www.badUFOs.com.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on September 07, 2015, 08:52:10 pm
Sorry I have not as yet to further study and reply to this thread.

Hope to do so when I can find time...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 21, 2015, 05:40:51 pm
So what's it been, 4 months now and NObody has been able to debunk Dr. Krangle??  ::)

Not for lack of trying I'm sure, but on the net there is no trace of anybody finding any dirt on him.

A few die hard debunkers grousing about how it doesn't prove anything, but that's about it.


And so I repeat - I TOLD YOU SO!!  :P  :P  :P











Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 21, 2015, 06:03:04 pm

... and it's been 3 months since I asked for any evidence of anybody anywhere at anytime with 15k 90 degree technology.

Apparently that's a tough search right?


So as I said, other than the aliens dive bombing our TS bases for all of 1947, and the more recent back engineering program at S4,



there is no other evidence of anyone anywhere possessing such technology,



 and those involved first hand with both events confirm it was aliens.



 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on November 21, 2015, 06:36:47 pm
YEAH BUT....

Where are the NEW updated Alien tech craft? :D

IF we reverse engineered them back then... surely by now we should see them landing at Nellis :P

Just sayin :D


BTW  this was Bob Lazar as a Kid  :D

[youtube]YQo0TfuueaY[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQo0TfuueaY
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 21, 2015, 07:09:02 pm
YEAH BUT....

Where are the NEW updated Alien tech craft? :D

IF we reverse engineered them back then... surely by now we should see them landing at Nellis :P


Because there ARE no 'NEW updated Alien tech craft'.

Even though we now understand the principles of how these craft operate, we do not possess the tech to manufacture them.

For starters just consider the alloy and seams needed to contain a controlled matter/antimatter explosion, or a 100% efficient thermocouple conversion device.


Bob estimated that we are hundreds or even thousands of years away from having manufacturing methods advanced enough to duplicate these craft.

And he is in a good position to know.  :P




Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on November 21, 2015, 09:15:06 pm
So until the Aliens return and leave us another model to tear apart... we might as well go pick daisies :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 21, 2015, 09:23:42 pm

Well if the rumors regarding the tech behind the floating triangle platforms are true, it indicates we have made SOME sort of progress.

They may not be capable of 15k 90d or interstellar flight, but just nullifying earth's gravity with our current tech is a BIG step forward!

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on November 21, 2015, 10:28:38 pm
Nulifying gravity may be cool  but once off planet there is no real gravity to propel against and you would be in a Sargaso Sea situation :P 

I DO have a top secret Star Drive sketch, code name EXTANT but I don't have authorization to share it yet :D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 22, 2015, 12:48:32 am


Does that star drive you mention provide shielding for the craft and occupants against radiation, micro meteorites, inertial effects and time passage?

By the way, next time you talk to John, tell him he was right, we now have proof positive they are testing S4 craft at Dugway now.  8)

 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on November 22, 2015, 08:37:54 am
Element 115 makes an appearance in Call of Duty ... the Story goes that the Nazi discovered it... and made Zombies. 


This shit has still got hints of BS/ and Psy Ops written all over imo.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 22, 2015, 05:22:11 pm
Element 115 makes an appearance in Call of Duty ... the Story goes that the Nazi discovered it... and made Zombies. 


This poop has still got hints of BS/ and Psy Ops written all over imo.

E115 has shown up in a video game? Wow that's certainly some hard evidence to go on.

Sounds like your spidey sense might be relieved by some Tums.


 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on November 22, 2015, 05:38:50 pm
The case has similarities and characters familiar with known Psy Ops.  I'd be daft to to dismiss the angle.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 22, 2015, 08:03:23 pm
The case has similarities and characters familiar with known Psy Ops.  I'd be daft to to dismiss the angle.

Unlike known Psy Ops, this case has initial hard evidence, as well as followup independent corroborative evidence.

As I mentioned in the post previous to yours, we also now have proof positive that the S4 craft are now at Dugway.

Maybe you missed it, or the implications have not yet sunk in.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: Sinny on November 22, 2015, 11:31:25 pm
I haven't yet drawn any definitive conclusions.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on November 23, 2015, 11:30:54 am
I haven't yet drawn any definitive conclusions.

Well since you have previously stated that you "don't want the answer to be aliens", it's clear you do have a predetermined bias regarding the question.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 02, 2015, 12:11:04 am
Another Bob Lazar related Video from Someone called TL Keller who suggest that he met Bob and observed Saucer flights at Area 51 on a few occasions on the nights Bob had suggested to him.

I am not sure who he is ?  I wonder if A51 Watcher knows him?

Some of its content will be familiar to Bob Lazar follower, some of it is is suspect and he later promotes his book !...

Bob Lazar Area S4 and Area 51

Bob Lazar is the main reason the public is aware of Goom Lake (and to a lesser extent, Papoose Lake) today. Whether his tale is true or not, when he went public in 1989, he ignited a firestorm of interest in Area 51 which burns to this day. As most of you already know, Lazar described how he was flown from Las Vegas to Groom Lake, then taken on a bus with blacked out side windows to a facility he determined was known as S-4.

Now when Lazar arrived at S-4, he wasn't warmly greeted with a "Howdy Bob, this here underground facility is under the Papoose Mountains and that there dry lake over there is Papoose Lake." He was simply driven in the bus for about 30 minutes and there he was. At some later date, he, Gene Huff, and John Lear got together and worked out where it must have been, based upon various clues Lazar noted during the trip. From what they deduced, S-4 would have to be on the east side of Papoose Lake, where the Papoose Mountains slope down to meet it. Since the short flight test of the one disc he witnessed took place on the dry lake bed, the edge of the dry lake must have been very close to the installation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYEqPaSHKQM
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 14, 2015, 12:24:35 am
 

No Astro, never heard of TL Keller.

His sighting sounds believable.

The other 2 gentlemen he refers to in that video I have no idea if they are real or fakers.

I have no way of verifying their claims.


Bob was the first whistleblower from S4 and his claims turned out to be true and available for anyone to verify for themselves.

So while the others may or may not be telling the truth, the only one I will put my money down on is Bob.

His information allowed me to see the big secret.

Nobody else's information has.


The fun only lasted at S4 until 1993 when they moved the party elsewhere.

At that point, they put up the ET highway sign and Glen Campbell showed up on the scene.

What a coincidence huh?

A guy who totally missed the party, now claiming to be the expert on S4 and Bob.

 ::)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:29:54 am


I might also mention that this revelation is vindication for myself as well.

Professional Image Processors have previously provided undeniable vindication for Bob and myself, but I gotta say this revelation is pretty dam sweet.

Bob is not the only one who has a taken a lotta crap for his claims.  :P


Apologies always accepted via PM if a public one is too embarrassing.  ;D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 01:48:29 am
Yes I have wondered about Glenn Campbell...

He is ex Military if I recall...

If he arrived late on the scene, was it coincidence or was he involved with something to maybe create situations while they moved the show...

If they have moved the Show to the likes of Wendover.. I wonder if there has been further sightings or is the New S4 in a place that no one in the public could ever witness anything.

Wendover is close to a HUGE Dry Desert Lake bed like Papoose..or Groom..

But a lot of it the public can view it, if they visit the area...(Not sure how many would visit it however, as it maybe only used for the occasional testing of land vehicles or certain related events)

Otherwise, I believe its like a large Very Flat desert.

But its relatively close to Salt Lake City.. which is a Major US city.


If I knew there was a place where its possible to view something, I would like to check out the area sometime..

I think John once suggested that it would be a difficult place / area to try to visit with a lot of more updated security...and you really do risk being shot if found in a wrong place !




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Bob was the first whistleblower from S4 and his claims turned out to be true and available for anyone to verify for themselves.

So while the others may or may not be telling the truth, the only one I will put my money down on is Bob.
His information allowed me to see the big secret.

Nobody else's information has.
The fun only lasted at S4 until 1993 when they moved the party elsewhere.
At that point, they put up the ET highway sign and Glen Campbell showed up on the scene.
What a coincidence huh?
A guy who totally missed the party, now claiming to be the expert on S4 and Bob.

 ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:58:56 am
Yes I have wondered about Glenn Campbell...

He is ex Military if I recall...

If he arrived late on the scene, was it coincidence or was he involved with something to maybe create situations while they moved the show...

If they have moved the Show to the likes of Wendover.. I wonder if there has been further sightings or is the New S4 in a place that no one in the public could ever witness anything.

Wendover is close to a HUGE Dry Desert Lake bed like Papoose..or Groom..

But a lot of it the public can view if they visit the area...(Not sure how many would however as it maybe only used for the occasional testing of land vehicles or certain related events)

If I new there was a place where its possible to view something, I would like to check out the area sometime..

Glenn got there after S4 was moved and started attacking Bob right away.

You must have missed my reply in another thread stating we now have proof that Dugway is the new home of S4.

Nobody asked about it so I never posted it.


Here ya go, processor verified! -


[youtube]UwoFUCoS72s[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoFUCoS72s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwoFUCoS72s)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 20, 2015, 02:11:09 am
Bob Lazar as a kid

[youtube]YQo0TfuueaY[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQo0TfuueaY
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 20, 2015, 02:14:08 am
You must have missed my reply in another thread stating we now have proof that Dugway is the new home of S4.

Tom Bedlam over at ATS methioned Dugway when he told me about a beam weapon test there.  He pointed me to some images of that test caught by the local UFO watchers

I posted it somewhere on here   WIll see if I can find them

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 02:16:33 am
I think that I did miss this video...Very Interesting if that is from Dugway in MAY earlier this year !

Is that the same UFO Hunters that did the TV series do you know ?

If so, I cant recall if it was you who said that you new them or Shot in the Dark (Dan)!

At the moment I think little has been posted online about Dugway or potential UFO sightings in that area.

Those objects whatever they are...some maybe seemed like triangles and others seemed some sort of combined or may flying very close together in formation..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 20, 2015, 02:18:30 am
Here it is...

(http://tooeleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/UFO-B-630x418.jpg)
This photograph was taken by members of the Utah UFO Hunters team last June near Wendover and I-80 looking south toward the Utah Test and Training Range.

(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/SkyWatch_UTTR_6-11-04_D_lightszoom_600x377.jpg)

(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/UTTR_2004Skywatch-UUFOH_comparision_szd.jpg)

Here is the article

http://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skywatch_UTTR_72204.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 02:24:50 am
Very Interesting "Z"...

Those images are from 2004...

I still also have to question are some of the UFO sightings some sort of projected beams..

One Jessie Venturas Conspiracy Theory programs that I watched again a few days ago...that he did on Area 51.. he interviewed a guy who claimed that certain things that were witnessed in the South West USA were Holographic projections that was late shown to have been coming from Area 51..

see what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18rbte_conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-area-51_shortfilms

That's Not to say that they do not have both real UFOs as well as the ability technology  to create images of them !

Not sure if those also may relate to a beam weapon !


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Tom Bedlam over at ATS methioned Dugway when he told me about a beam weapon test there.  He pointed me to some images of that test caught by the local UFO watchers

That website maybe what I have been wanting to find for some time !...and may have more info on Dugway than I have found before..

I see some article wrote on the website that refers to them maybe being effected by Radiation !   That is concerning if anyone was considering risking visiting the area !!!

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Here is the article

http://www.aliendave.com/Photos_Skywatch_UTTR_72204.htn
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 02:27:44 am
I think that I did miss this video...Very Interesting if that is from Dugway in MAY earlier this year !

Is that the same UFO Hunters that did the TV series do you know ?

If so, I cant recall if it was you who said that you new them or Shot in the Dark (Dan)!

At the moment I think little has been posted online about Dugway or potential UFO sightings in that area.

Those objects whatever they are...some maybe seemed like triangles and others seemed some sort of combined or may flying very close together in formation..

Nope different UFO hunters than the TV show.

Whatever they are, image processing shows that they display the same energy rings and gravity fields underneath as mine and Bob's footage, which no other craft or light exhibit.

Recall my footage of craft very close together pulsing.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 02:44:33 am
Again A 51....Thanks for confirming that those images were similar to yours and Bobs  video footage... good to know !

Just out of curiousity, if you look at the last article website that "Z" posted on Dugway....what some of the viewers who skywatched said about possible Radiation effects both to their cameras and them selves ..Seems rather a concern..

Also I don't know if you noted my comment on Jessie Ventures  Conspiracy Program on A51 about Holograms originating from Area 51...

I would like to see if we can eliminate the possibilities behind this being what maybe seen in all the video footages somehow...just to clear such other options.

Or it maybe that they do sometime use this to create images of UFOs as well as have their own... They MAY need the real thing to make projections of them...even if recorded..

what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18rbte_conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-area-51_shortfilms

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UUFOH REPORT <------
UUFOH Skywatch, UTTR -Dugway Proving Grounds Area
Friday -Saturday 6/11-6/12 -2004

Photo/Video Results - Health concerns
Below are comments from UUFOH Team members and associates that will remain anomynous:

> I have more weirdness to come about the last skywatch.
I was wondering about how your pictures turned out from the skywatch.  Most of my video and pictures are garbage, do you have the same problem?  And, how's your health.  We were exposed to some nasty radiation and I'm wondering if your OK.

> I had some problems with the development of the pictures. I asked about the problems with the clerk and she thought that I had been exposed to x-rays.  Have you, or anyone else, had any problems with your pictures?

> At first I thought the green lights were caused by a developing problem.  But since they're not on all of the pictures they have to be something that occurred at the time.  I asked the clerk about the problem and she thought it was caused by radiation!  How's your health?  Besides the nighttime sunburn I got, I've been feeling crappy all week. Let me know what's happening.  Talk to you later.....

> I got absolutely nothing on video.  Just black nothingness. and my 35mm pics didn't show anything either,..........

> .....just wondering if you started having any allergy symptoms after Friday. It may just be a coincidence, but I am getting clobbered by allergies starting Sunday.

> the 'Dugway Lights'. rumoured code words from Predator to Pegasus keep popping up. ... a smaller ground version ....When aimed and focused into a large hostile crowd and fired, the resulting effect is an immediate immobilization of the crowd. Of course, the case study's have not concluded if any after effect's or injuries remain to those in the crowd. ......cannot see how this weapon can be used without causing some sort of blindness due to the intense light that you may have witnessed.

> No I haven't noticed anything other than the minor sunburn.


Other effects around the Wendover area !

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We also noticed:
- the smell of ozone and a strange burning like smell.
- a fog bank out of nowhere, that flooded the area,
- a large mil. plane possibly recording or witnessing the test. (plus other UMO's or UFO's)
- Two way radio failure, problems
- that the light produced was at least two times brighter than Wendover (visible). and would have been easily seen by anyone (hundreds) traveling on I-80 -during that time ( Friday night- Wendover. (also visible)
- possible and most likely camouflaged surveillance (security patrol) in area.
- bombing? heard in the morning but not seen.
- possibly a minor sunburn? (noticed the next morning by three members)
- various allergy symptoms
- extreme tiredness and lack of energy for a few days
- some members fell ill / sick for a few days
- some 35mm photo negatives/ film showed strange green lines or marks, on numerous pics.
  The Photo processor said it might possibly have been caused by radiation or x-rays.

WOW! Impressive power display! Never seen anything like it. but was concerned a bit about the amount of power displayed and our safety of being exposed to it. Were we in any rad exposure or health danger? other?

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Whatever they are, image processing shows that they display the same energy rings and gravity fields underneath as mine and Bob's footage, which no other craft or light exhibit.

Recall my footage of craft very close together pulsing.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 03:36:36 am
After a quick initial browse,  As potentially Interesting as this website appears..and it maybe one of the best that I have come across with ref to Dugway...

I Hope to try to study this in some detail when I can..

Much of the images were taken between 2001 to 2004..
So far I do not see any recent images..

Also several links do not seem to be working, such as the Maps / photos on the right hand side etc.

PHOTOS

UTTR Restricted Airspace Map

MAP - DUGWAY Proving Grounds

AERIAL VIEW of DOG AREA

PHOTO OF DUGWAY

DUGWAY ACCESS ROAD

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_DugwayProvingGrounds.html


Some Interesting Comments that I came across with ref to Corporations being claimed to be working with ETs..

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Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the "black government" are:
Standard Oil, Lockheed, Northrop, McDonald-Douglas, AT&T, IT&T, the A. Matthews Construction company, the Robbins Company, the Utah Mining Company, and a host of others.
By: Shadow UFO'S, The Greys And The Secret Government

http://www.aliendave.com/UUFOH_AlienBases.html

another article of interest..

I wonder who the dare devil mysterious intruder was who was snooping around and remained evasive when searched for after initially being detected. I can only imagine Some sort of James Bond or Special Forces / SAS /Seal type character. :-\

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GROUND ZERO - DUGWAY
THE DESERT,
             THE DEPOT,
                         THE DANGER

By Alien Dave
The Utah UFO Hunters 2002

CHEMICAL DETECTORS -- Galore.....
as we traveled south out of Tooele and into Utah's west desert.
  An hour before we had decided to head out to Dugway or the nearby Area, to get some good shots for a TV pilot Clyde and crew is currently working on.   
  Clyde contacted me, (Alien Dave)  interested in hanging out while he was in Salt Lake City. Do an interveiw and get the low down on current UFO activity, hotspots, and UFO Footage. set up some contacts, hang out, etc..

So here we were, heading out to one of the Scariest Places on Earth. an area called the New AREA 51  - Clyde, his crew, me, a mini van, recording equipment, and a determined attitude.
 
The Air grew thick and the Chem detectors were abundant, as we moved in on the Deseret Chemical Depot, where they destroy chemical nerve agents and bio weapons.
  A week before a mysterious intruder was spotted on the Depot grounds, dressed in all black. The Depot security, troops, dogs, FBI, and even a state police helicopter with thermal imaging cameras, (FLUR) couldn't find the intruder. Sounds real funny to me. In my eyes there is no excuse for not finding the intruder, in this rual, desolate area, with so many involved.
This event still has no explanation.
  We stopped and got out at the entrance to the Depot, streched, got into position and shot a take, (which was the only one Clyde's crew got in at this location.)
  As we approched the fence and walked onto the road, we noticed a Humvee coming down the road. Someone said "here comes security"


The Humvee slowed and stopped in front of the van. We nervously walked back towards them. The well armed military vehicle alone was enough deterant to humble us and make us uneasy about being there . We were told to leave imediately. We agreed. As we were doing so, the heavily armed Humvee and its military passengers left, a few minutes later, here comes a couple white SUVs. From Wackenhut? The white security SUVs did a blocking manuvere in back of us. keeping us there until ? We confronted one of them, he didn't say much, nor did his backup which was now out of his vehicle, and showing off his weapon, drawn, by his side, after a few minutes it was holstered, but a nervous hand was polishing the handle.
  We told them the military troops in the Humvee was more than enough deterrant to make us leave. We got the hint, we are leaving. One of the jeeps moved to make way for us to leave.We quickly got into the van and got the hell out of there! Before the "Wackenhut" gaurds got personal and performed a full body cavity search.
Whew! ...   we got out of there without being the next chemical test guniea pig,
or Desert "Deliverance" victims.


The Entrance Sign at Deseret Chemical Depot

  Even though we were still on BLM property, and had every right to be there, we were glad to get out of there without incident, or further harassment. A few days before, a Intruder scare at the Depot has the security hightened and on edge.
Without a believable answer to exactly what happened out there regarding the mysterious intruder, dressed in black, disappearing without a trace, some of us have come with possible scenarios, and theories, such as a possible MIB? non-human envolvement? or other? but thats another story.
  see the Dugway The NEW AREA 51 page for links to articles on this story.

  We headed towards Dugway and pulled off on a side road that had some great shots of the bunkers and barracks.
Clyde was finally able to get some video pieces done and not be harrassed by "Security"
  On a rual desert backroad, with a Secret Base in the backround, Clyde did his thing. the way he does, with style, and a dark overtone.
  After the hostile Dugway Encounter, we headed for a location were I had taken daylight footage of a UFO in 98. We did a little shoot there before we lost the light to the night.
We headed back to the studio, and bullpoop'd for a while. Going over what had happened out at Dugway, the strangeness, and almost deadly events that unfolded, before calling it a night.

   Clyde continued his quest for cool and possibly dangerous paranormal locations over the weekend. Getting up to date on Utah's UFO activity. Hooking up with Alan Meyer a local Paranormal Investigator, and doing an interview with him, As well as the Paranormal and Ghost activity, with the Utah Ghost Hunters Society.
  It was Great hanging out with Clyde, Meeting the man behind the smooth voice. Doing some paranormal recon, and Ground Zero'ing Dugway. I'm honored that Clyde contacted me for an interview, and spent some time with me while he was in Salt Lake. I hope We get to do it again sometime ...............but...

"Next time Clyde,
were heading out to a really scary spot !"



(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/ClydeLewis_Ground0Dugway.jpg)

(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/Clyde_crew.jpg)

http://www.aliendave.com/Article_Clyde_Dave_Depot.html
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 03:45:48 am
Map of the Wendover Dugway area near Salt Lake City.


(http://www.aliendave.com/files/Photos/Dugway/Map2DTooeleArmyDepot.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 07:25:53 pm
Again A 51....Thanks for confirming that those images were similar to yours and Bobs  video footage... good to know !

Just out of curiousity, if you look at the last article website that "Z" posted on Dugway....what some of the viewers who skywatched said about possible Radiation effects both to their cameras and them selves ..Seems rather a concern..

Yeah in hindsight it was a concern for me, considering how close they got on 2 occasions that night, when they landed and when they flew overhead.

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Also I don't know if you noted my comment on Jessie Ventures  Conspiracy Program on A51 about Holograms originating from Area 51...

I would like to see if we can eliminate the possibilities behind this being what maybe seen in all the video footages somehow...just to clear such other options.

Or it maybe that they do sometime use this to create images of UFOs as well as have their own... They MAY need the real thing to make projections of them...even if recorded..

what is said at the 24 to 25 minute mark about Hologram projections...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18rbte_conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-area-51_shortfilms


Any projection from A51 would have the problem of a hill in the way (look again at the map I provided of the testing area) and also Joshua trees and Cactus in the area interrupting the beam.

Also not only do you have to project an image (photons), you have to stop the image (photons) at a desired location.

And then move the stop location around?

I viewed the craft in front of me and behind me and overhead.

No projection beam seen or image interrupted.

Too many problems with moveable open air projections in the desert to account for viewers from any angle at any distance.

Armap explained some of the problems earlier.


Image processing of my footage also correctly detected when they were landed on the desert.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 21, 2015, 12:52:36 am
If these were the same type of Craft seen at Dugway that you and Bob etc have seen close up (or in Bobs case worked on and been inside one...then if his story is 100% truth) as well as him witnessing them at S4, closer up than he would have, when showing his associates John, Gene etc from further away at Area 51..

I wonder what Bob was aware of in terms of any Radiation effects ?

If you are still able to contact him, I would really like to know his answers to that !

I suspect the radiation effects would be only when its being flown and the reactor is in operation with the E115 element sample.

One thing that surprised me.... is that they operated the Saucers from an area that  they could be seen from a public Highway or even flew them directly  over the 375 HW..

Papoose Lake is WELL over the Main Mountain ridge and beyond another mountain range at the back of Groom Lake that you can see from Area 51 375 HW or Groom Lake Rd area..

I realise that Papoose Lake is NOT as big an area as Groom.or what you may call the Arena Amphi theater area between the Tikaboo Valley along the HW375 as far over as Bald Mountain or maybe further towards Rachel...along that part of HW 375 upto the top of the Road as far as one can see along that stretch.

Generally back then, the area was probably overall less known or visited after the 1st year that the Bob Lazar story came out.

But that Road is used by Vehicles and Lorries I would have thought even at Night..

The other issue that I have is certain workers who were at Area 51 deny ever knowing anything about such Craft... yet they were flying the Saucers over the Groom Lake area....NOT keeping it well away behind the Papoose Mountain range...

Even on the Night Shift there would be quite a lot of Staff working at the Groom Lake part of Area 51..

That sort of frustrates me... that many Area 51 workers claimed not to be aware of the Saucer test Flights.

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Yeah in hindsight it was a concern for me, considering how close they got on 2 occasions that night, when they landed and when they flew overhead.

In relation to Holograms..

I dont claim to know that much about them..

But recently China has admitted to having developed 3D Holgram technology.

They say Technology at Area 51 is 50 years or more ahead of what we know...

In the Overall situation...IF they could create a Hologram of a Flying Saucer... over all it maybe what we would see above when it flies thru the air..

If it did appear to land in the desert within or behind  Cactus/ Joshua trees..

Depending How close one was to it when it landed..IF you were very Close up....ie within what we may interpret as an acceptable distance..be it 100 metres or 1 KM...

Then I would see your point..

but otherwise..

I would have thought that one would need to be higher up to tell
what the visual effects may be when witnessing it..

I say this as I have seen the terrain around that area and I know some of those trees in certain higher parts can seem quite dense and would block the view out when the craft landed..

so unless it did land quite close to the observer... I am not convinced that one could make any real judgement on if what one was witnessing or had prior witnesses as it appeared to be landing.. as to if it was a real object or Part of the Hologram projection.

Then even if one was Higher up on some higher ground... if it was quite far away on landing.. maybe a mile away or more.... I still doubt it would be possible to tell the difference..

What I do NOT Know however is Just how they may project such a hologram....and maybe based on what has been mentioned before... in theory as we had discussed before..(with ArMaP). it it did not seem possible, based on the technology we were presently aware about..

Could they some how project it from something ABOVE like a Satellite or from Bald Mountain High up...

That Maybe a possibility...

But it is still something that I would like to try to eliminate..which may require certain Scientists or engineers to try to explain..and I am not sure how one finds such persons or gets them to discuss such things..

But Generally I do agree this seems generally a less likely situation.. and I maybe trying to be consider too much of an alternative to the reality of what you witnessed.

I was NOT trying to doubt what you claimed to witness but maybe considering another possibility if it was Not a real UFO that may explain it..and knowing that it has been suggested that such technology was being used and applied at Area 51 as stated in the Ventura Video..that is actual recorded  spoken suggestions by some more known or claimed expert ....& maybe some who may view that as some sort of possible evidence it may really exist..

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Any projection from A51 would have the problem of a hill in the way (look again at the map I provided of the testing area) and also Joshua trees and Cactus in the area interrupting the beam.

Also not only do you have to project an image (photons), you have to stop the image (photons) at a desired location.

And then move the stop location around?

I viewed the craft in front of me and behind me and overhead.

No projection beam seen or image interrupted.

Too many problems with moveable open air projections in the desert to account for viewers from any angle at any distance.

Armap explained some of the problems earlier.

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 21, 2015, 10:12:04 pm

...One thing that surprised me.... is that they operated the Saucers from an area that  they could be seen from a public Highway or even flew them directly  over the 375 HW..

Yeah it surprised me too! I thought they would stay on their side of the border and test, and we would get to watch from afar.

The best reason I have been able to come up with, is that in case something goes wrong while test flying one of these craft and it slams into the ground or explodes in the air, the explosion does not vaporize the S4 base and it's irreplaceable contents. 

So go outside the fence and play kids.

While possibly being too close to a radiation field is one concern, I also have concerns about being subjected to a time/space distortion field.


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The other issue that I have is certain workers who were at Area 51 deny ever knowing anything about such Craft... yet they were flying the Saucers over the Groom Lake area....NOT keeping it well away behind the Papoose Mountain range...

Even on the Night Shift there would be quite a lot of Staff working at the Groom Lake part of Area 51..

That sort of frustrates me... that many Area 51 workers claimed not to be aware of the Saucer test Flights.

Nah. Why would they be aware? Even if they saw something unusual they would know better than to ask about it.

Personally I doubt they spend much time star gazing out there.

Lot of classified craft take off from and land there.

I'll tell you one thing though... the cammo dudes around the perimeter know EXACTLY what's going on. How could they NOT??


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In relation to Holograms..

I dont claim to know that much about them..

But recently China has admitted to having developed 3D Holgram technology.

They say Technology at Area 51 is 50 years or more ahead of what we know...

In the Overall situation...IF they could create a Hologram of a Flying Saucer... over all it maybe what we would see above when it flies thru the air..

If it did appear to land in the desert within or behind  Cactus/ Joshua trees..

Depending How close one was to it when it landed..IF you were very Close up....ie within what we may interpret as an acceptable distance..be it 100 metres or 1 KM...

Then I would see your point..

but otherwise..

I would have thought that one would need to be higher up to tell
what the visual effects may be when witnessing it..

I say this as I have seen the terrain around that area and I know some of those trees in certain higher parts can seem quite dense and would block the view out when the craft landed..

so unless it did land quite close to the observer... I am not convinced that one could make any real judgement on if what one was witnessing or had prior witnesses as it appeared to be landing.. as to if it was a real object or Part of the Hologram projection.

Then even if one was Higher up on some higher ground... if it was quite far away on landing.. maybe a mile away or more.... I still doubt it would be possible to tell the difference..

What I do NOT Know however is Just how they may project such a hologram....and maybe based on what has been mentioned before... in theory as we had discussed before..(with ArMaP). it it did not seem possible, based on the technology we were presently aware about..

Could they some how project it from something ABOVE like a Satellite or from Bald Mountain High up...

That Maybe a possibility...

But it is still something that I would like to try to eliminate..which may require certain Scientists or engineers to try to explain..and I am not sure how one finds such persons or gets them to discuss such things..

But Generally I do agree this seems generally a less likely situation.. and I maybe trying to be consider too much of an alternative to the reality of what you witnessed.

Yeah do some searches and read up a bit on the tech behind holograms to see what the limitations are.

Projecting a beam is not really a problem.

How to stop that beam for viewing is the problem.

How to avoid your beam being deflected by local vegetation like Cactus and Joshua trees while on the ground is another problem.


Another problem for this theory is the shadows cast by the craft when they get very bright.

Shadows from the trees and vegetation fall in 360 degree angles all the way around the craft, showing the craft to be the center of the light source.

The shadows change in length and direction reacting to the position of the craft.

Kind of like having stadium lights on a trailer, except this light shines 360 degrees all at once instead of one direction.

And pointing the projector in my direction and moving it around would give away it's location.


Aside from the tech involved, why would they put on a show when no one was watching? I first spotted the show miles away, from the first S curve east of mailbox road, and during my entire journey up and down 375 that night no one else was around except hidden cammo dudes way outside the official boundaries.

The motive and physics don't add up in my book.

Also recall that advanced image analysis has discovered the exact point when these craft landed, as shown by reflected light on the ground.   


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 22, 2015, 01:50:38 am
Its rather a thought raising point...

They initially would have took off from Papoose Lake bed base..Either go around or across the Papoose Range Mountains, then either across Groom...and over the mountain ridge that led to the 375 HW...or maybe they could have flown then to the South and into the Tickaboo Valley... then upto the Area where you witnessed them from.  To the South there are other large  Dry Lake beds that can lead to the Tikaboo valley.. that generally would have made them much harder to be seen both by anyone who may have been in the Area 51 building or close to Groom Lake... BUT you may be right.. At Night it maybe few Staff would be able to venture outside anyway or they would be too far away to tell what the objects were if they did fly closer by over Groom..
Generally also the Staff levels would be much less on the night shift....and maybe back then overall the staff levels were less than today..

They also may even be able to fly to areas so fast or just seem to appear at locations totally undetected..from some of the comments that you had previously suggested..

They could also detect when or if any Lorry's or vehicles would be approaching the area..At Night generally it is much less.

I once approached Area 51 from the Tonapah Northern side very late on between 2 to 5 am after I had been to Death Valley and decided to drive all the way late on to Area 51 via the Northern approach..a very long Drive late thru out the night. on my last 2 days of one of my USA trips a few years ago....and I don't think I saw anything pass by even by when Id reached Rachel...(That at that time was very quite and no INN was open)..

Depending how HIGH they generally would want to fly them..however... they would have severe areas all over the NTS range that they could have flown them completely out of site.

That is something else to consider other than radiation  ???

"The Space time distortion effects."
   :o   :-\

Have you ever managed to discuss this with anyone in more detail ? or with Bob !

Very Thought provoking  :P

Can I ask do you care to share  any thoughts on what the effects may have been for that ?

How it may have effected you if it was to have occurred !

Now that maybe getting very deep !...


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Yeah it surprised me too! I thought they would stay on their side of the border and test, and we would get to watch from afar.

The best reason I have been able to come up with, is that in case something goes wrong while test flying one of these craft and it slams into the ground or explodes in the air, the explosion does not vaporize the S4 base and it's irreplaceable contents. 

So go outside the fence and play kids.

While possibly being too close to a radiation field is one concern, I also have concerns about being subjected to a time/space distortion field.



When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..

 How far away from them would you estimate ?


maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?

Can you also remind me How Long you would estimate that you were able to observe the Saucers for ?

An hour or more ? upto 3 hrs ?

When you visited did you come from the Las Vegas Area ? or from the Northern approach on the 375 HW ?

If from the L.Vegas approach side... could you notice anything when you first arrive at the high point on the 375 HW
(closer to Tikaboo Mtn) ?

I say this as you do get a great view across the valley...and can see the Mail Box and Groom Lake Road areas in a way like being in a lower flying aircraft..

I would have thought that if the Saucers were flying early on when you arrived that it would have been also a good vantage point to get an good overall wide range view of what the craft were doing..
That is IF you were able to realise what they were when 1st arriving....as maybe it took some time to really catch on what was happening I could imagine..

What height ranges would you estimate that the craft were during the time you viewed them

and to

What distances would you say that you witnessed in terms of what was the furthest point that you saw them go to... around that area ?

North, South, West  ?

Did you see them go as far North as Coyote Summit.. that is towards the Rachel approach on the HW375..

or South Down Tikaboo Valley towards Mt Charleston ?

I assume that they didnt go any further east past the 375 HW..




Did you see them go to say the Mountain Range at the West of G.L RD or Mail Box Rd ? or maybe even go down to the south of the Tikaboo Valley ?


but did they go back towards either Bald Mountain or the western mountain ridges down the tracks or down towards Groom Lake down  Groom lake Rd

Was they just to the side of Groom lake Rd ,in the bush or maybe a more open area would you say or more in the middle of a larger area ?

Also to which side of it ...North or South Side ?

and was this closer to the HW 375 or towards mountain ridges / 13 mile entrance down that Rd  to the Western.. or about half way between the two ?

What you say about the light effects and shadows seems very interesting..and if I visualise it correctly.. it .have been something un witnessed before for anything else  one could think of in terms of human design crafts.

I should imagine it was really a weird experience...

If I recall you said the lights on the Saucer at time could be  or were sun light or Nuclear Flash like intensity...

but to see a 360 cast shadow effect on this on say a hovering craft closer to when landing or flying over does seem impressive..

Its a shame that you were not able to video some real closer ups of those effects if that would have been possible.



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How to avoid your beam being deflected by local vegetation like Cactus and Joshua trees while on the ground is another problem.

Another problem for this theory is the shadows cast by the craft when they get very bright.

Shadows from the trees and vegetation fall in 360 degree angles all the way around the craft, showing the craft to be the center of the light source.

The shadows change in length and direction reacting to the position of the craft.

Kind of like having stadium lights on a trailer, except this light shines 360 degrees all at once instead of one direction.

And pointing the projector in my direction and moving it around would give away it's location.

One wonders how many may have talked about such things at some time..or will they..

Are they that highly selected and paid to keep Silent ?

Are that that elusive... I do not really know who or how these guys are in terms of being Selected...I dont think that they are classed as say Special Forces level who generally may remain the silent types based upon signing a Non Disclousure contract.

Then there is the Ranchers... Steve Medlin or others plus their staff / work force.., What may they know ?

The Medlin Ranch is right close to where you witnessed your sightings...I took a visit when I was in the area...it seems hidden from a far of the 375 HW... but can be well seen from Tikaboo..

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I'll tell you one thing though... the cammo dudes around the perimeter know EXACTLY what's going on. How could they NOT??
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 22, 2015, 04:06:52 am
I once approached Area 51 from the Tonapah Northern side very late on between 2 to 5 am after I had been to Death Valley and decided to drive all the way late on to Area 51 via the Northern approach..a very long Drive late thru out the night. on my last 2 days of one of my USA trips a few years ago....and I don't think I saw anything pass by even by when Id reached Rachel...(That at that time was very quiet and no L .A INN was open on Arrival to get some early Breakfast  :()..

I stayed there to Sunrise then moved on to take a look at the Main Viewing area on the 375 HW where you could see Groom lake Rd and the mailbox etc.  That was my 1st ever visit but I was on my way back to catch my Flight back in vegas a few hour later from that point.  I just wanted to try to fit in a quick trip to see the Full 375 Hw before heading home.

The Light effects that Morning when I first set eyes on that valley were absolutely incredible...I have never seen Anything quite like it in terms of clarity and shadow effect on the Tikaboo Mtn range..

When I have visited since its never been the same effects.. It must have been the time of year I visited (Oct / Nov if I recall around 7 to 8 am) and how the Suns rays were hitting it  at that particular time.. as it showed an incredible combination of various mountain ridges on the Tikaboo Valley Mountains looking from the Northern stretch on the Area 51 zone from Coyote Summit point just after you get over the mountain pass from Rachel...

The Shadow casts of the Suns rays and contrasts of and the clarity of the Mountains were absolutely amazing !.

It really was like visiting Dreamland !
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 22, 2015, 06:31:21 am
This gives some images of the Areas discussed from the Northern and Southern approach of the 375 section of the Highway that is the main viewing points to section closest to Groom Lake and Area 51.


Looking from Coyote Summit..

which is from the 375 highway from the North of the Main Area 51 section of the Highway..which is on a straighter section of a few miles long.. until you hit the Southern end that takes you up to Hancock Summit where you eventually loose the view of the Valley.

(http://flyingbeard.smugmug.com/photos/112626212-L.jpg)


The Approach from the South...Las Vegas to The HW 375 Area 51 section. from Hancock Summit.

before you start to decend..

(http://www.milespointsandmaitais.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_0364.jpg)

where you start to descend.

(http://www.blog.hankplumley.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Rachel-Nevada-6466-300x200.jpg)


View of Groom lake Road after coming down from Hancock Summit. Looking towards the West...

This I believe is more the area where the Saucers were viewed from.

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45227586.jpg)

The 13 mile Groom lake Road. towards the Groom Mountain ridge.
showing a cameo dude dust trial from one of the various side trails.

(http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/45228701.jpg)


Similar Image to he one I described but without the same lighting effects of the morning sunrise hitting the back of the Tikaboo mountains.

(http://expedition.toptotop.org/2014-11-20_usa-nevada_long-straight-roads-into-state-crossing-2-thumb-512x341.jpg)


Looking to the Tikaboo Mountains and Valley...

This is the first view you get of the main Area 51 375 HW if coming from the North side from Tonopah or  Rachel

(https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/105084457.jpg)

(https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/105083736.jpg)


Joshu tree and Cactus terrain around the Area.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2637/4126906930_a2e0725d9f.jpg)

looking more down the South to the  main Tikaboo Valley.

(http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/images-2/copy_of_JoshuaTreeTikaboo.jpg/@@images/fae21a19-4e3c-4ab1-8406-528f315acd55.jpeg)


Maybe some less dense areas where the Saucers may have landed.

(http://www.milespointsandmaitais.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_0384.jpg)


Mountains from the Mailbox.

(https://travellfun.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/valley_area51_yosemite-297.jpg)


An Idea of the terrain around Area 51...from above

(http://www.rachel-nevada.com/places/mountains_1.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 22, 2015, 09:19:17 am
Distances between this section of the 375 Highway from Coyote Summit to Hancock Summit, Nevada is about 18 miles.

That surprised me it was as long as that !

but the area between Tikaboo Valley and Coyote Summit is quite a lot longer..

Northwest
Distance: 18.4 miles / 29.6 km
Type: Peak
Elev: 1708m / 5603ft

also see other distances between various nearby points in the area.

http://www.placebeam.com/?r=poi&l=37.43163&g=-115.38197&type=all&title=Hancock%20Summit%2C%20Nevada%2C%20United%20States


A reminder of how the terrain looks like between Tikaboo and Groom and Papoose Lake.

Tikaboo Valley is between the Peak and Freedom Ridge.

This gives an idea of some added length that could be between Coyote Summit and the Southern end of the Tikaboo Valley.

Over 30 Miles I would think..

Maybe the Saucers could fly South and  around the Tikaboo valley.

If they did not just fly direct over the Groom Lake and Ridges to the 375 highway..

(http://www.sushi-x.com/gallery/nonseq/dreamland/GroomTikaboo.jpg)

South Valley  View from Tikaboo Peak

(http://www.nearspaceballooning.com/images/area51/full/DSC_0149.JPG)

Map of the area..

http://rachel-nevada.com/tikaboo_valley_map.html

Another view of Groom Lake Rd Just after decending and coming from a bend in the road from Hancock Summit.

(http://www.koscielec.pl/c375nglr.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 22, 2015, 04:37:42 pm

(http://www.milespointsandmaitais.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_0384.jpg)


That is one of Clyde Bundy's cows :P

Here is a typical Coyote Summit view of RED FLAG OPERATIONS

[youtube]vTK5oUj0bJY[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTK5oUj0bJY
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 22, 2015, 04:42:04 pm

(http://www.milespointsandmaitais.com//wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IMG_0364.jpg)

Notice how BLUE our skies are out here and how EMPTY it is.. NO ONE around for hundreds of square miles :D

And on a very rare occasion we get some snow for a few weeks Not this year though Thanksgiving Day is usuallty the coldest day  and we are already hit 65F My roses are starting to bloom

(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/fg/warningsigns.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 23, 2015, 11:13:25 pm
Yes it is quite amazing just how much land you can pass and see no one...

Is around Area 51 also likely to have similar weather conditions and temps as what Vegas has lately...

I  would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.

In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day !  :P

Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on !  ???

What will AL Gore be saying I wonder  :-\

Are are we in a new Astro Cycle creating milder climes ?

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Notice how BLUE our skies are out here and how EMPTY it is.. NO ONE around for hundreds of square miles :D

And on a very rare occasion we get some snow for a few weeks Not this year though Thanksgiving Day is usuallty the coldest day  and we are already hit 65F My roses are starting to bloom.

Whats that Bundy Cow doing on Area 51s land  :D  Has the ETs took it for a ride  their  ;D
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: zorgon on December 24, 2015, 03:39:59 am
Yes it is quite amazing just how much land you can pass and see no one...

Miles and miles and miles out here in Nevada Utah and Arizona. You will run into the odd hunter or ATVer but not that often

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Is around Area 51 also likely to have similar weather conditions and temps as what Vegas has lately...

Yeah pretty much  The snow falls for a short time at the higher elevations  We had snow occasionaly in Las Vegas  Lasts a few days  Usually end of Nove is the coldest  by Feb its back in the 70's

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I  would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.

Too far south :P but My Charlston gets snow Its at 11,000 feet  So you can go sking in the morning and go boating on lake mead in the afternoon :P

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In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day !  :P

Yes same up the Western USA  unusually warm last winter and this one I already have roses blooming

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Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on !  ???

Global warming precurser to the next Ice Age :P

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Whats that Bundy Cow doing on Area 51s land  :D  Has the ETs took it for a ride  their  ;D

Bundy Ranch (and Johns Mine) are close to Sandia Those coes roam far but that image may not have been at Area 51 :P  Bundy's cows are the only free range cows left  BLM just rounded up the last Nevada Wild Mustangs at Cold Creek... Bloody TERRORISTS :P

Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 24, 2015, 04:01:29 am
There are Free range Cows or Cattle on the 375 HW...between Rachel and the Highway that runs along side Groom Lake / Area 51.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sV0_A73owP0/R6SwXouydKI/AAAAAAAAAS0/hSwaLmbVWZ8/s320/UFO+Abducts+Cow.jpg)

(https://visitingsmalltownflorida.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/area51vblog2.jpg)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e7/00/8f/e7008f705ef31df54bff6e5b51a3f787.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2807/9181234330_bcf9fbd04f_z.jpg)

(https://thelonelywanderer.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/img_7741.jpg)

(https://theshellmeister.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/open-range-cattle.jpg)

Came  across one or two of these when I visited as well !

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Watch out for these as well !

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I got the image from a search on Area 51...and that one came up..
So I assumed it was Area 51, plus I thought that I recognised the background mountain terrain from that area..ie it seemed familiar..

Anyone visiting better watch out for these guys..
Guys claiming they were going to a wedding !  :)

Thought this was a classic photo... :P

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4008/4418114822_ac2c676956_b.jpg)

Now then... Cold Creek !..

If they have rounded up the Wild Horses,/ mustangs... That is very Sad...What are they trying to do one wonders.. spoil any natural wildlife..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGomsD88Xg

As for Cold Creek itself, It is a hidden secret...

I visited it and got a big surprise to see its a town that can only be visited by those who live their !  :o

The Views going up the roads to it offered great views of the Nevada test site and areas leading North to around Area 51 which one could see Dogbone Lake..that was very impressive terrain.

Tourists are not allowed in.. :(

Millionaires Only I suspect  ???

What other towns are there in the USA or Western World that wont allow tourists !

Its the only one that I have become aware of..

COLD CREEK - Las Vegas' Best Kept Country Secret!

I cannot find anything on  Wikipedia directly about it !
and not to much about it.. other than this website..

http://tours.tourfactory.com/tours/tour.asp?t=393615

I came across Cold Creek accidently when I was trying to find a way to get to Mount Sterling.. in which it is said that you can see a view to Papoose lake 45 miles away !  :o... There was what seemed a pass that may have led upto it... but upon reaching Cold Creek.. It didnt seem a very good pass and may not have been accessible...or very easy to access by Car to the point where the track would allow you to access it..I would have needed more time and would have had to possibly walk some distance to get their.

I think you were going to tell me in another thread about Sandia !
if you get time over Christmas.

which I did find out something about in another thread I posted..

but also John had suggested that there is a Sandia base at Area 51.  Is it Connected to the main Sandia Town by underground system I wonder ?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8863.msg120069#msg120069

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Bundy Ranch (and Johns Mine) are close to Sandia Those coes roam far but that image may not have been at Area 51 :P  Bundy's cows are the only free range cows left  BLM just rounded up the last Nevada Wild Mustangs at Cold Creek... Bloody TERRORISTS :P


Although the U.K has had some very mild days lately, it has also has some severe high winds and  rain and Flooding in certain parts as well...but so far not too much cold weather..

I believe its from some Hurricane that took place in the Carribbean recently.. that may have changed the jet or Gulf stream .

I wonder if Al Gores Using HAARP to create all this unusual weather to help in his Climate Change agenda..

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I  would had thought usually the weather and temp around there in December would have been winter conditions and cold.

Too far south :P but My Charlston gets snow Its at 11,000 feet  So you can go sking in the morning and go boating on lake mead in the afternoon :P

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In the UK we just had some of the Mildest days for many years for December...and yesterday was a very nice sunny day !  :P

Yes same up the Western USA  unusually warm last winter and this one I already have roses blooming

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Conditions are already looking Spring like ..Also have some flowers blossoming...Whats going on !  ???

Global warming precurser to the next Ice Age :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on December 25, 2015, 09:50:36 pm
Its rather a thought raising point...

They initially would have took off from Papoose Lake bed base..Either go around or across the Papoose Range Mountains, then either across Groom...and over the mountain ridge that led to the 375 HW...or maybe they could have flown then to the South and into the Tickaboo Valley... then upto the Area where you witnessed them from.  To the South there are other large  Dry Lake beds that can lead to the Tikaboo valley.. that generally would have made them much harder to be seen both by anyone who may have been in the Area 51 building or close to Groom Lake... BUT you may be right.. At Night it maybe few Staff would be able to venture outside anyway or they would be too far away to tell what the objects were if they did fly closer by over Groom..
Generally also the Staff levels would be much less on the night shift....and maybe back then overall the staff levels were less than today..

They also may even be able to fly to areas so fast or just seem to appear at locations totally undetected..from some of the comments that you had previously suggested..

They could also detect when or if any Lorry's or vehicles would be approaching the area..At Night generally it is much less.

Yes most of the time there is not much reason to attract your attention from far away, since they are no brighter than stars.

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That is something else to consider other than radiation  ???

"The Space time distortion effects."
   :o   :-\

Have you ever managed to discuss this with anyone in more detail ? or with Bob !

Very Thought provoking  :P

Can I ask do you care to share  any thoughts on what the effects may have been for that ?

How it may have effected you if it was to have occurred !

Now that maybe getting very deep !...

Nope never spoken to anyone about it. Hopefully it doesn't shorten your life span or have you wind up like The Philadelphia Experiment survivors.

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When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..

 How far away from them would you estimate ?


maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?

Well a CAD drawing analysis of the frame in my video that shows a cammo dude driving down mailbox road with a craft in the air above him, shos the craft to be 2000 ft away based on it being 50 ft wide. My estimate when they landed appeared to be about a 1/2 mile away maybe 7/10 at the most. 

Can you also remind me How Long you would estimate that you were able to observe the Saucers for ?

An hour or more ? upto 3 hrs ?

Yeah close to 3 hours.


When you visited did you come from the Las Vegas Area ? or from the Northern approach on the 375 HW ?

If from the L.Vegas approach side... could you notice anything when you first arrive at the high point on the 375 HW
(closer to Tikaboo Mtn) ?

The Las Vegas approach side. From mailbox road east towards the 93 junction, hwy 375 is a long straight shot until you hit the first big corner. That corner has a nice pullover area to scout the terrain ahead and a clear view of the test area. 

I would have thought that if the Saucers were flying early on when you arrived that it would have been also a good vantage point to get an good overall wide range view of what the craft were doing..

That is IF you were able to realise what they were when 1st arriving....as maybe it took some time to really catch on what was happening I could imagine..

Yes at first I did not realize what was going on. I scouted the road ahead of me to see if it was clear, then began scanning the Groom mountain range for signs of activity. As my eyes adjusted to the dark I noticed 2 stars doing high speed darting movements, abruptly stopping and hovering then returning to their starting point in another high speed hop. Also doing some weird wobbling so obviously these were not stars. They started from, and returned to, this area -

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Upon realizing what I was seeing, I jumped back in my car and drove full speed down to mailbox road for a closer look and started filming.



What height ranges would you estimate that the craft were during the time you viewed them

and to

What distances would you say that you witnessed in terms of what was the furthest point that you saw them go to... around that area ?

North, South, West  ?

In the center of the test area the usually stayed just under the mountain peak. During maneuvers they usually stayed below the Groom mountain ridge line, but not always. On long distance hops they would hop above the ridge line and out of sight.


Did you see them go as far North as Coyote Summit.. that is towards the Rachel approach on the HW375.

Very fast long hops that out of sight in that direction. Most other hops in other directions were about 5 miles usually

I assume that they didnt go any further east past the 375 HW..

Yes one went behind me on mailbox road across 375, see the map above


What you say about the light effects and shadows seems very interesting..and if I visualise it correctly.. it .have been something un witnessed before for anything else  one could think of in terms of human design crafts.

I should imagine it was really a weird experience...

If I recall you said the lights on the Saucer at time could be  or were sun light or Nuclear Flash like intensity...

but to see a 360 cast shadow effect on this on say a hovering craft closer to when landing or flying over does seem impressive..

Its a shame that you were not able to video some real closer ups of those effects if that would have been possible.

In looking back it's a miracle I got out with my hide and the footage I took.

Since this was pre- internet it was very difficult to keep up on who was successfully getting out there to witnesses tests and getting out with their footage.

Most failures I read about were due to poor planning and execution. Telegraphing your presence before the tests even began were a primary cause of failure in many cases.

Being detected and having your gear confiscated was also high on the list.

So getting any 'real closer ups of those effects' as you say, I judged to be too big a risk at that moment in time, I was running pretty much on instinct to avoid capture and continue witnessing the tests.






Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on December 31, 2015, 01:42:02 am
Thanks for your answers and images A51...

May have more to comment on later.

Can I ask when you witnessed the 3 Saucers Land from maybe 1/2 to 2/3s of a mile away..

Where would you say they landed in relation to either the Mail Box / M.B Rd  or Groom Lake Road.

If I recall.. does the Mail Box Rd link to Groom Lake Rd ? both starting from the 375 HW ... or does the Mail Box Rd also have a path that runs parallel to Groom Lake Rd ?..

Some Maps I have seen suggest it only links between 375 HW and GL Rd.   but there are a few various tracks that link to Groom Lake Rd...

I just wondered if you may also have an image that you could post showing roughly where the 3 Saucers landed..in relation to Groom lake or Mail Box Road..

If it was on the side closer to Mail Box Rd then I assume its to the Right hand side of Groom Lake Rd..

But also somewhere between 375 HW  and the Mountain Range..
or maybe the camping area closer to where the Cameos tend to Park ! towards to far end of the 13 mile G.L RD.

So was it maybe closer to the 375 HW end rather than the area where you say the Saucers tended to be in the Map Image elipse area that you posted..?




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When you witnessed the 3 Saucer Crafts land..

 How far away from them would you estimate ?

maybe between 1/2 to 1 KM away or More ?

A51 Watcher
Well a CAD drawing analysis of the frame in my video that shows a cammo dude driving down mailbox road with a craft in the air above him, shos the craft to be 2000 ft away based on it being 50 ft wide. My estimate when they landed appeared to be about a 1/2 mile away maybe 7/10 at the most. 
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: A51Watcher on January 03, 2016, 01:01:55 am
Where would you say they landed in relation to either the Mail Box / M.B Rd  or Groom Lake Road.

If I recall.. does the Mail Box Rd link to Groom Lake Rd ? both starting from the 375 HW ... or does the Mail Box Rd also have a path that runs parallel to Groom Lake Rd ?..

So was it maybe closer to the 375 HW end rather than the area where you say the Saucers tended to be in the Map Image elipse area that you posted..?


Astr0

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/location/Image99ab.png)

Yeah if you draw a line from the center of the red zone to the mailbox I would say they were bout 1/2 way there maybe a little closer, I'd say in the tan section for sure, past the blue/green section.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: astr0144 on January 03, 2016, 06:29:06 pm
Thanks for your explanation A51.

Its good to know the area where the 3 Saucers landed.

I am not sure what the situation may have been next day in day light..or if you may have had issues with the Cameo Dudes..

but It would have been interesting if you could have returned in the morning or in day light and would have been able to have attempted to have got  more idea of the specific area where they landed..

and to see if there were any markings on the Ground....

Also to try to see if that may have been a special area designed or created for them to land on...such as say some sort of landing area , maybe a concrete area other than the desert scrub... or maybe it was a flatter area of sand like desert...separated from the  Joshua trees and Cactus.

If one would have also had a Geiger Counter, I wonder what the readings may have been...


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Yeah if you draw a line from the center of the red zone to the mailbox I would say they were bout 1/2 way there maybe a little closer, I'd say in the tan section for sure, past the blue/green section.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS - Physicist claims Bob Lazar DID work at Los Alamos As A PHYSICIST
Post by: lillyphant on April 21, 2017, 04:43:43 pm
John has never said he was... and when you ask him will say no...

People making videos will add anything they want... who knows what their objective is.

Like Jeremy with this new movie "Immaculate Deception"

It seems pretty certain that Jeremy's goal is to make John in his old age look the fool, while using John to boost his own ratings

John is aging and he is ill... his memory is failing. He doesn't post here because he forgets the password.

It is very easy now for schmarmy glib tongued self serving wanna be UFO researchers to twist what he says.

And it will just get worse... John will say yes to any interview... because after a long career being on top... he now exists pretty much alone in that big den...  even I don't get over there much because of my own issues

Jeremy talked up a good story, weaseled his way into John's confidence and then gained access to Johns computer and his emails...

John told me he doesn't get all his emails... then we found out that Jeremy was accessing them... and was eavesdropping via SKYPE when any visitor popped in... When Sgt and I were there talking and suddenly Jeremy interrupted we were caught off guard...

When I saw posts at Facebook under John Lear... I noticed that they did not sound like John Lear... and people were tossing questions and getting no reply  So I called John and he said Jeremy was posting AS JOHN... supposedly to give updates about the movie...

But it was more about self promotion for Jeremy  and he even gave himself top billing...

When Sgt and I pointed that out after John had asked us to help... Jeremy blocked us.  I have seen no activity on Johns FB page since we informed Marilee about the situation and she had her nephew cut off Jeremy's access

I highly doubt Jeremy will release that film... claims he needs money up front and on C2C he mentioned he might do it as a series of shorts  he really didn't know.

This is just infuriating!   
That someone would go in and earn the trust of someone who may not fully understand that the Jeremy guy was simply a creepy opportunist that took advantage of John's open personality and willingness to share his life adventures.

It is so over the top that he was intercepting emails and eavesdropping.   Seems he was worried someone would catch on to his nefarious activities.

I wish someone would punch that jerk right in the nose and knock him to the floor!

It just doesn't work to have basic trust in human beings because there are so many self centered people with a lack of basic values,  much less integrity. 

If he does release the film let's hope that John cut a deal that will help him financially and not just make money for the sociopath Jeremy.