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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #165 on: April 16, 2018, 01:12:57 AM »
Okay these are captures that SmilingTree saved from FB pages of Corbell and Knapp... I THINK I have them in the right order..

These are FB image links so I will still have to save them and redo the link so they don't disappear
















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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #166 on: April 16, 2018, 01:21:35 AM »




























Well there you have the whole picture

Time to me to withdraw from the whole mess It is obvious Bob is aware and part of it and John Lear gets left behind, tossed under the bus it seems

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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #167 on: April 16, 2018, 12:15:32 PM »

Hilarious!  ;D

Obviously George gets trolled more than even you do Z.

Farcebook now sounds (and looks) and looks like the embodiment of the old adage about a million monkeys typing on a million typewriters for a million years.

Now that we have corroboration from 2 employees of Los Alamos that Bob worked as a physicist there operating their multi million dollar particle accelerator with a TS clearance, that must have been a real promotion handing out dosimeters!  ::)

 
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« Reply #168 on: April 16, 2018, 01:49:42 PM »
So what kind of verbal agreement did John have with 4 names about his immaculate deception film?

If he gets zero no jury would believe he would let 4 names film there for 4 months with no expectation of the profits.

And if he or his wife have contacted their IP about resetting their password before, they need to do it again.

And if he winds up getting zero, he needs to expose that on all his sites and social media.

He mentions you and thelivingmoon.com a lot in the interviews he does. That's probably where the 4 mil hits per month come from.

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"They agreed that they couldn't chase us off of public land, but simply said they would "prefer" that we retreat back up to the highway. They issued us a copy of a written warning that said we were approaching a military installation and it stated the Nevada Revised Statutes which cited the penalties for taking pictures of the base, etc."

Perimeter security were simply following their training and instructions on what to do with intruders. Arresting people on the outskirts of a base they were denying existed would not be a helpful news story.

After they were released by security and then their ID's radio'ed in, it obviously showed that John was CIA and Bob was one of Teller's boys.

They probably said oh brother and reported it to HQ to deal with.

Scaring Bob with a shot out tire on the freeway was as an attempt to secure any future leaks.

Trying to derail George's TV news expose was obviously deemed too risky.

The hastily set up live feed was probably too quick to derail, which promised a followup report.

'Oh sorry, remember that report of a secret base they deny exists we promised a followup on? Everyone connected with it is missing or dead. Sorry about that.'

Very very risky but Bob had no choice at that point. He wanted John to release it originally but John suggested George would be a better way to go.

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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #169 on: April 16, 2018, 02:12:06 PM »
There is no contract for John... nothing was signed. Although John asked me to help in this, there is little more I can do at this point seeing as all the other parties are in cahoots...

All I can do is pass this along to Marilee to make her aware, beyond that I am neither a lawyer or part of any of these deals.  And my squeaky little voice is just a creaking door in the wind, annoying but easy to ignore

Re ERIC DAVIS

In case anyone doesn't know this name

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Author of the Air Force Stargate papers. Works for HAL PUTHOFF

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« Reply #170 on: April 16, 2018, 02:26:45 PM »
He mentions you and thelivingmoon.com a lot in the interviews he does. That's probably where the 4 mil hits per month come from.

Actually the TOP hits come in via Jack's pages, Apollo Reality, and The Black Knight satellite pages, which is why Kim Greenhouse put ads on those specific pages :P



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Re: Immaculate Deception
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« Reply #172 on: April 16, 2018, 11:17:17 PM »
I actually have a lot of recent posts from John stored over at the Coffeeshop  Just haven't had the time to post them here yet what with the Corbell mess and the Syria mess

But I will start tomorrow. We already have them in order now so It's just a copy  and paste matter

1) Echelon Fake Casino to cover new subway to Area 51
2) Israeli sub sank after trying to nuke Hawaii
3) Fake shooting in Las vegas

for starters :D

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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #173 on: April 22, 2018, 11:51:11 AM »
Its a while since I looked into Jerry Freemans story and his ref to Papoose Lake or seeing any lights / door open there during the night...

I do seem to recall reading it in some article and not just obtaining that from a video...(Other than G Knapps one that is referred to...  there may had been another non G.K one also that claimed similar )

Its not always easy to find that past specific information.. unless saved on ones computer that is easy to find.. I may come across it at sometime.


IF Dan has obtained some other ref to this story... or there is a video that refers to it... does anyone have it that they can post.. I could not find any new video on "Alien Scientist" website


In ref to seeing the Photos of Jerry.... My thoughts on those pictures are that he is on the opposite side to where S4 is supposed to be.. ie I thought that he was on the West side of it looking back to the Eastern side and the Papoose Mountain range..

Did he manage to explore on the other side during day light ...I wonder ?

Bob claimed that the Door ways to S4 where the UFOs come out to the Papoose Desert DRY  Lake where camoflaged  to appear like covered in a type of sand appearance (painted or sprayed in a sand type texture) and that you could not tell they were there, unless you were very close up to them... and I would imagine that is very probable, that could be the case if S4 is there..

I recall in the  James Bond film "Diamonds are Forever " you get to see an entrance to a type of tunnel that is hidden in the Desert that had a Cactus on it...(when two villain's Mr Wint / Mr Kidd take Bond to place in a underground pipeline... they initially drive Bond out of the tunnel that was connected and  came out of one of the large Vegas hotels...( Bond had attempted to gain entrance to the hotels roof and  visit to catch or kill Blofeld.. but he later got captured and knocked out and was sent down a lift for two villians to deal with him) ... The villians put him in the boot of a car...then seem to drive down quite a long tunnel that eventually came out into the desert somewhere near Las vegas).  Back then there were fewer hotels and Vegas was quite a lot smaller than it is now with the Desert very close to the main City area..

As well as maybe Batmans Cave entrance is hard to see in the old series !  :)

I think one of the difficult things.... is what other entrances at S4 may there have been ?...

I just happened to lucky to watch on TV last night ...the Program "Dreamland " that I have not seen for sometime... Parts of it I seem to recall seeing on some other program that I saw years ago that 1st made me aware of Bob Lazar / S4 / Area 51   and I think it was one of the most thought provoking programs that I had ever seen at that time.. and still is... whether its true or false !
As I think applies to many who are aware of the topic..

In the Dreamland program... Bob Makes ref to when he visited S4..

see from 9 mins 25 seconds..in the video link below..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=887&v=Se5x2D5-m_c

He then says that they drove along to the left side to the main entrance...
(without seeing a specific map like diagram... that's difficult to fully try to visualise) as was this main entrance more visible or was that also disguised ...

He says he went thru some gates and a security check ! and went inside something that was like a typical Govt building..


He says he had what was classed as Majestic Clearance.. in which there was only 22 people who had such a level...to be able to work on the Craft/s !  (which I /we assume are the ET Saucers)

He later refers again,  a 2nd time that when visiting the installation that normally they would go to the left side of it to the main entrance... but on one occasion...when he arrived by Bus.. they went to the front of the hanger doors and he noticed one of them was open at door 9.. at the end

the video shows an animation of what he claimed to see... in which when he got off the bus and was led into the door nine entrance and into the open hanger area ... or as he looked thru the door... he could see the Saucer.. and later was able to walk into that area and actually touch it...in which he thought it seemed like a metalic material..as it felt cold or cool to him.

He  describes later, when he was allowed to look into the inside of  the Saucer disc...on a lower level he could see the gravity amplfiers .... then he was allowed to look  through a small opening entrance to the higher level floor above...which no doubt is amazingly interesting to listen to what he describes..in terms of how small it appeared and that there was 3 small seats for what he assumed was for small beings !  (I only see 2 seats in the animation that are obvious to me, near some sort of small dome shaped thing..(Was this the reactor ? )... and why would they all be so close up to each other I wonder in the position that they are in...Just How small where these ETs ?

He says that he observed part of the crafts skin or area become transparent in which he thought that he could see outside it like looking thru a glass window..(maybe due to electrical or some sort of EMF technology that may have changed the materials matter structure...This may explain what A51 shows in his videos where we see whats seems like electrical activity taking place when 67 Sander was able to show in his photo / video  analysis techniques) or that he was viewing a type of screen that allowed him to see outside the craft..


It was very interesting to rewatch that Dreamland Video to try and get another opinion on it after having since become more aware of the story over some years...

but for myself and my memory abilities etc on how I may interpret things...
Its hard to have recalled all the past research or recall in real detail..to be able to resite things in a very detailed way ... or in such a way that when watching the video again some years later....
to say that I could remember all that Bob had said...

so watching it again reminds me on certain things...BUT also....I am probably learning some new things that I just had not taken in very well... or good enough ....to be able to say that I could recall all that Bob explained in such detail..

Its something that you have to watch over and over again on and off for it to sink in if one wants to try to become more of an expert on the facts of the story... or to try and make other judgements on it..  There is such a lot of things / facts to recall about the whole story..

No doubt certain other questions may come to mind... and one may consider other possible views about it..

Listening to some of the other parts of the Dreamland video... in ref to others who claim to have either worked at Area 51 or who had seen / witnessed Saucers or worked on things to do with them.. was very interesting...

Bill Uhouses comments were very interesting....how he had been on contact with the Jarod Grey ET.. and been involved with it in creating a Human Saucer simulator !

Says maybe one of the 1st Saucer to go to Area 51 was from the Kingsmans crash (Jarod)that had been originally taken to a New Mexico base..maybe Kirkland ...

So was the Navy Physicists comments .. Dr Bruce Maccabee

Who was the mystery lady Radio operator who claimed to witness the Saucers. (26 mins)

Bob Oechsler who had worked as a Nasa mission specialist in robotics Scientist  also had his own UFO encounter... that I have seen on some program at sometime... when I did not know he had worked for Nasa .... I think thats also a bit strange.... as if I recall he had quite a strange encounter ..or claimed to have had..

He later was chosen by the Pentagon to be involved in Cosmic Journey see 49 min 19 secs..
again maybe seen as rather strange !

There is other footage of the Saucers similar to what Bob/ John and A51 witnessed...

Has A51 and 67 Saunders looked analyse any of them in the same detail as their other research..
there was may craft showing flying around at the same time..somewhere in the video..
see 1 hr 16 mins.... seems to have been seen from Las Vegas in 1990..maybe looking toward Nellis
AFB...But why would they risk flying them that close to Vegas if they wanted to keep them secret ???

Bobs car reg was MJ12 !   thought that was also rather strange !

In the Video.... It refers to WHY did Bob, risk informing  his family , friends / associates about the Wednesday night test flights ...

Fortunately for us and them...if had not we would never have got to know about his story and the facts behind it..

BUT if it was such a secret project / program...

You would think that they would have warned Bob severely about the secrecy behind it...

or did they just trust him and did not think that they would had need to...

or it that they suspected he would inform others, if they wanted it leaked out to the public..

but it did seems Bobs family and others / himself were severely threatened...

and if so... Bob had taken a real chance...to show John and others...



Actually Jerry states in his diary that he did see a light getting bigger then smaller at Papoose during the night so George is not lying.

Jerry does not state "there is no base there, no way".

He only crossed the southern edge of Papoose so he had no way of knowing.

Was there a base like Groom lake to be seen? Of course not. You would have to be within 40 yards of the hangars to see them.

Dan is getting all this from a new video alienscientist made 4 months ago.

He gets this way when he hangs around that guy too much.
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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #174 on: April 22, 2018, 02:36:13 PM »
Its been suggested and discussed before... Was Jerry Freeman's death due to radiation that he may have been in contact with on his NTS / Papoose Lake trip...


There is some information on the Alien Scientist website ...

and some google type maps if you scroll down the page..

there is also a video that also debunks S4,  George Knapp and relates to Jerry Freemans trip...
but not in any great detail...




http://www.alienscientist.com/boblazar.html



and How may the radiation effects still be around the Nevada test site NTS area and Papoose Lake / Area 51 and surrounding areas... when that area was one of the major testing sites of numerous Nuclear Bombs or detonations..

This is a new website that indicates what may happen if we were to be nuked in ones local area by more modern type and older type of nuclear bombs.....(Not sure how they really compare  today.. to what they may have compared to the ones that occurred around the NTS  over some years ago)

How long the effects may last for,  and at what sort of range would the effects have been...

How far away from the central strike area, would one need to be to be safe or be uneffected.

When Jerry Freeman did hos trip to Papoose... I believe that he entered from the South of the NTS close to the town of Mercury... where he seemed to pass closer to the NTS than maybe many realised...So could he have been more effected by passing close to that than from any effects from Papoose Lake...

How do the radiation effects relate and compare around the NTS and Papoose Lake and Area 51 between back when they did the testing to today.. or when Jerry did his trip...

Is the effects still  bad today whether you are at Papoose Lake or at the HW 375 black mailbox  or on Tikaboo ...or  if not similar ....how much may they vary

There is a new website that shows the effects of a Nuclear Bomb if it hits what ever area or City..

I  am not sure how it compares between today and back when they did the Nuke tests..

Maybe some of the power of certain bombs are still similar...

it would take a bit of researching... but this website may help gain a better understanding..for those willing to try to research the various facts..


New interactive map shows what would happen if a nuclear bomb hit your town

there are 4 different Bomb types you can select...

15, 150, 300, and 50,000 KT  to choose from..

The 15 KT size was used in WW 2...

it shows the radiation effect of this only being upto about 2.18  Sq miles

I think however most Bombs at NTS were tested after WW2.. from 11 January 1951 to I think maybe upto the 1980s or maybe even 2000

This link says underground explosions ended in 1992

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site#Area_3

then it refers to this....

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The site was scheduled to be used to conduct the testing of a 1,100-ton conventional explosive in an operation known as Divine Strake in June 2006. The bomb is a possible alternative to nuclear bunker busters. After objections from Nevada and Utah's members of Congress, the operation was postponed until 2007. On 22 February 2007, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) officially canceled the experiment. On December 7, 2012 the most-recent explosion was conducted, an underground sub-critical test of the properties of plutonium.[8]

but  the size of later Bombs varied...

so What is the distances between NTS and Papoose Lake... Not that far...only a few miles..

what seems like an average Bomb size  today is a 300 KT..

and the effects of it seem to be roughly as follows..

fireball upto 0.74 sq miles

Radiation upto 5.5 sq miles

shock wave 11 sq miles

Heat effects to 48 Sq Miles

 
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/2637775-114516746.html



https://outrider.org/nuclear-weapons/interactive/bomb-blast/

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« Reply #175 on: April 22, 2018, 05:10:58 PM »
Zorgon,

In ref to Harry Reid and past attempts (Johns Mine )and Further Land confiscation in Nevada / USA (who I was not really aware about until I read your comments on him (H.R)) by the BLM..

Was you aware that their is a threat to take over some Land on the N.T.T.R for more land for the Military or land close to Area 51 that is part of the Desert National Wildlife Range (D.N.W.R) ?

There are some who are attempting to dispute and put a stop  it...

I am now wondering if Harry Reid is / or was involved and do you have any thoughts on it as to if now this may not go ahead...

For me it will be very disappointing and concerning  if they closed this to the Public...


This is a PDF Map of the various proposals of the Areas that they are considering taking over...
with one being an existing area that the public can travel on that is the the East side of the N.T.T.R...that is part of the Desert National Wild Life range... which has some very nice areas.

http://www.nttrleis.com/Acreage_by_Alternatives_DOPAA_approx_acreage_revisedAug122016.pdf

Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) Military Land Withdrawal Legislative Environmental Impact Statement Project Website

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Located in southeastern Nevada, the Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) land base consists of approximately 2.9 million acres of federal land that has been withdrawn from public use and reserved for military use, most recently by the Military Lands Withdrawal Act of 1999, Public Law No. 106-65 (MLWA). In accordance with Section 3016 of the MLWA, the Department of the Air Force has notified Congress of a continuing military need for the NTTR land withdrawal in coordination with the DoD and plans to submit a legislative proposal through the Department of the Interior (DOI) to extend the NTTR land withdrawal. Congress has reserved the authority for renewing the NTTR land withdrawal for itself, through the Defense Withdrawal Act of 1958 (43 USC Sections 155–158), and will make the final decision as to whether or not to renew the NTTR land withdrawal. The current NTTR land withdrawal expires in 2021 unless legislation is enacted extending it.


http://www.nttrleis.com/index.aspx

Zorgon :  Reply #79 on: April 08, 2018, 11:49:48 PM
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John Lear lost his mine thanks to Harry Reid and he was behind that whole Bundy Ranch caper...


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« Reply #176 on: April 23, 2018, 05:23:48 PM »
Its been suggested and discussed before... Was Jerry Freeman's death due to radiation that he may have been in contact with on his NTS / Papoose Lake trip...


There is some information on the Alien Scientist website ...

and some google type maps if you scroll down the page..

there is also a video that also debunks S4,  George Knapp and relates to Jerry Freemans trip...
but not in any great detail...




http://www.alienscientist.com/boblazar.html



and How may the radiation effects still be around the Nevada test site NTS area and Papoose Lake / Area 51 and surrounding areas... when that area was one of the major testing sites of numerous Nuclear Bombs or detonations..

This is a new website that indicates what may happen if we were to be nuked in ones local area by more modern type and older type of nuclear bombs.....(Not sure how they really compare  today.. to what they may have compared to the ones that occurred around the NTS  over some years ago)

How long the effects may last for,  and at what sort of range would the effects have been...

How far away from the central strike area, would one need to be to be safe or be uneffected.

When Jerry Freeman did hos trip to Papoose... I believe that he entered from the South of the NTS close to the town of Mercury... where he seemed to pass closer to the NTS than maybe many realised...So could he have been more effected by passing close to that than from any effects from Papoose Lake...

How do the radiation effects relate and compare around the NTS and Papoose Lake and Area 51 between back when they did the testing to today.. or when Jerry did his trip...

Is the effects still  bad today whether you are at Papoose Lake or at the HW 375 black mailbox  or on Tikaboo ...or  if not similar ....how much may they vary

There is a new website that shows the effects of a Nuclear Bomb if it hits what ever area or City..

I  am not sure how it compares between today and back when they did the Nuke tests..

Maybe some of the power of certain bombs are still similar...

it would take a bit of researching... but this website may help gain a better understanding..for those willing to try to research the various facts..


New interactive map shows what would happen if a nuclear bomb hit your town

there are 4 different Bomb types you can select...

15, 150, 300, and 50,000 KT  to choose from..

The 15 KT size was used in WW 2...

it shows the radiation effect of this only being upto about 2.18  Sq miles

I think however most Bombs at NTS were tested after WW2.. from 11 January 1951 to I think maybe upto the 1980s or maybe even 2000

This link says underground explosions ended in 1992

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_Site#Area_3

then it refers to this....

but  the size of later Bombs varied...

so What is the distances between NTS and Papoose Lake... Not that far...only a few miles..

what seems like an average Bomb size  today is a 300 KT..

and the effects of it seem to be roughly as follows..

fireball upto 0.74 sq miles

Radiation upto 5.5 sq miles

shock wave 11 sq miles

Heat effects to 48 Sq Miles

 
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/2637775-114516746.html



https://outrider.org/nuclear-weapons/interactive/bomb-blast/


Astro, as I have I have pointed out in previous posts, the official record of bombing in the area states that Groom Lake was chosen for above ground atomic bombing for several reasons, including the fact it was a virgin target.

Yet here we are decades later, and hundreds of workers have worked there daily for decades quite safely.
On the other hand, Papoose lake has never been used as a target for bombing.

So which facility would be the safest to work at?

One that has been the direct target of atomic bombing, or one that has not?

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so What is the distances between NTS and Papoose Lake... Not that far...only a few miles..


Actually no.

If you look at google satellite maps of the area the distance is 11 miles between the 2.

Even your diagram above shows a radiation radius of only 5 miles.
 

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Re: Immaculate Deception
« Reply #177 on: April 23, 2018, 06:29:44 PM »
http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20


type in - sedan crater, nevada

and chose a KT or MT bomb

choose full screen icon and you will see fallout radius or pressure or thermal,

even choosing a 21 MT hydrogen bomb gives a range nowhere near to Papoose.


And diagrams from Hiroshima show higher ground areas only have a 2mile radius, as the mountains between Papoose and the NTS would provide.





 
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« Reply #178 on: April 24, 2018, 01:05:03 PM »
There is some information on the Alien Scientist website ...
and some google type maps if you scroll down the page..

Alien Scientist is a criminal :P Ask ShotInTheDaRK :P

I also had to toss a a lawyer at him to remove some obvious slander directed at muself and John lear..

I don't doubt he has a debunk video :P But I don't pay much attention to that POS

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« Reply #179 on: April 24, 2018, 01:22:26 PM »
How do the radiation effects relate and compare around the NTS and Papoose Lake and Area 51 between back when they did the testing to today.. or when Jerry did his trip...
Is the effects still  bad today whether you are at Papoose Lake or at the HW 375 black mailbox  or on Tikaboo ...or  if not similar ....how much may they vary


They take tours out to the test site...  :P  Its not really that 'hot' these days though it is probably wise not to pick up any souvenir  :P


 


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