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Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« on: March 01, 2017, 07:44:15 pm »
Martian Archaeology
E10-00462 Mars Global Surveyor



Rectangular region that might be ancient ruins

Khorezmian Fortress Koy-Krylgan-Kala




E10-00462  Credit: Malin Space Systems

There is also a circular depression just below the "fortress"




Fig. 1 The ancient Khorezmian fortress Koy-Krylgan-kala appeared as an impact crater
on the air photo (left); its artificiality is obvious after the excavations in 1956 (right) [6].

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 07:50:22 pm »





Aerial photograph showing the town of Amara West with the River Nile in the background

Radar, Magnetometers & Soil Resistivity Tests

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Before excavation begins, archaeologists can get a peek beneath the surface with a wide array of technologies. Such instruments create a 3-D image of what lies beneath and give archaeologists a huge edge in knowing where to dig without bringing in a backhoe to tear up everything.

Ground-penetrating radar transmits pulses into the ground that reflect off buried materials, buildings and soil changes. Magnetometers detect buried artifacts based on the changes they create in the Earth's magnetic field. And soil resistivity instruments can pick up on similar buried features based on abrupt changes in electric current as it runs through the soil moisture.

Occasionally, the magnetometer or another instrument may detect an artifact or building that almost seems like a ghost signal, because archaeologists fail to find it despite digging. That points to the limits of human perception in following up on the technological leads, said David Hurst Thomas, a curator in anthropology at the American Museum of Natural History in New York.

"If we open up the site and decide to excavate, sometimes the instruments see things that we can't see as archaeologists,"
Thomas said.


Satellite images have revealed hidden streets and buildings at Egyptian sites such as Tanis.
Credit: University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Satellite Imaging from Space

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Nobody from Indiana Jones' day could have imagined satellites high above the Earth helping archaeologists pinpoint the locations of buried ruins. But now, archaeologists regularly look to the visual images compiled by Google Earth to scan for their next big dig, and use radar imagery from NASA or commercial satellites to unearth hidden treasures.

Infrared satellite images have revealed pyramids, streets and palaces that lie buried in Egypt, as well as ancient rivers hidden beneath the Sahara. Such radar imagery has steadily improved over the years until it can now resolve buried features as small as 1.3 feet (0.4 meters), and as deep as 33 feet (10 meters), said Sarah Parcak, an Egyptologist at the University of Alabama in Birmingham.

Archaeologists may even someday face a time when remote-sensing technology can create detailed images of even the smallest buried objects. That could create a mild professional dilemma.
"What happens when satellite radar images have a resolution of a couple inches, and can go deeper?" Parcak said. "Will we ever have to stop digging? I hope not."

SOURCE: 10 Modern Tools for Indiana Jones

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 07:56:51 pm »
Palace of Sargon, Khorsabad (top right) in the walled city of Dur Sharrukin of the Assyrian Empire. this site was also totally buried.



In the Mars image you can clearly see what could be the gated entrance points top right and lower left


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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2017, 11:23:03 am »
Nice find.  Guessing if We ever get there to excavate We will find ruins.
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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 05:10:41 pm »
Amazing, as always, Z; in the lower half of the full strip the terrain resembles an estuary, complete with banks, knolls, and small islands  8)...

@amy:It wouldn't surprise me if there are plenty of ruins that wouldn't have to be excavated; we just don't get to see the pics  8)
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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 12:26:35 pm »
Amazing, as always, Z; in the lower half of the full strip the terrain resembles an estuary, complete with banks, knolls, and small islands  8)...

@amy:It wouldn't surprise me if there are plenty of ruins that wouldn't have to be excavated; we just don't get to see the pics  8)

NO doubt whatsoever!  [smile]
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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2017, 02:52:42 pm »
Here are some other photos of the area, with the rectangle area marked in the lower resolution photos.

The photos were cropped to show only that area.

From Viking:
214A16 - 75 metres per pixel


214A17 - 76 metres per pixel



From THEMIS, daylight, visible light:
V26895022 - 18 metres per pixel


V37638008 - 18 metres per pixel



From CTX:
F02_036633_2066_XN_26N332W - 5.85 metres per pixel


F03_036923_2096_XN_29N332W - 6.05 metres per pixel


P19_008520_2076_XN_27N332W - 5.77 metres per pixel


P21_009232_2084_XN_28N332W - 6.38 metres per pixel



From HRSC:
H7443_0000_ND3 - 12.5 metres per pixel


Finally, a complete CTX photo (resized to 10% or so), to show that area (marked in yellow) in the context of the whole region.


And no, I don't think it looks like ancient ruins. :)

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 03:02:04 pm »
And no, I don't think it looks like ancient ruins. :)

Really? Do you know what ancient ruins look like buried under sand?

 ::)

Well NASA seems to disagree with you :P

This was a very timely article :D

ANTARCTICA: NASA IMAGES REVEAL TRACES OF ANCIENT HUMAN SETTLEMENT UNDERNEATH 2.3 KM OF ICE



WASHINGTON | Recently released remote sensing photography of NASA’s Operation IceBridge mission in Antarctica led to a fascinating discovery when images revealed what some experts believe could be the existence of a possible ancient human settlement lying beneath an impressive 2.3 kilometers of ice.

The intriguing discovery was made during aircraft tests trials of NASA’s Advanced Topographic Laser Altimeter System (ATLAS) lidar technology set to be launched on the Ice, Cloud and land Elevation Satellite-2 (ICESat-2) in 2017, that aims to monitor changes in polar ice.

“There’s very little margin for error when it comes to individual photons hitting on individual fiber optics, that is why we were so surprised when we noticed these abnormal features on the lidar imagery,” explains Nathan Borrowitz, IceBridge’s project scientist and sea ice researcher with NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

“As of now we can only speculate as to what these features are but the launching of ICESat-2 in 2017 could lead to other major discoveries and a better understanding of Antarctica’s geomorphological features” he adds.



Although NASA scientist Nathan Borrowitz claims the infrared images are definitely intriguing, other experts claim they are clearly the proof of ancient human engineering

A human settlement buried under 2.3 km of ice

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Leading archeologist, Ashoka Tripathi, of the Department of Archaeology at the University of Calcutta believes the images show clear evidence of an ancient human settlement beneath the ice sheet.


“These are clearly features of some sort of human-made structure, resembling some sort of pyramidal structure. The patterns clearly show nothing we should expect from natural geomorphological formations found in nature. We clearly have here evidence of human engineering. The only problem is that these photographs were taken in Antarctica under 2 kilometers of ice. That is clearly the puzzling part, we do not have any explanation for this at the moment,” he admits.

“These pictures just reflect a small portion of Antarctica’s total land mass. There are possibly many other additional sites that are covered over with ice. It just shows us how easy it is to underestimate both the size and scale of past human settlements,” says Dr Tripathi.

Remnants of a lost civilization

Historian and cartographer at the University of Cambridge, Christopher Adam, believes there might be a rationnal explanation.


The map of Turkish admiral Piri Reis in 1513 AD shows the “ice less” coastline of Antarctica
“One of histories most puzzling maps is that of the Turkish admiral Piri Reis in 1513 AD which successfully mapped the coastline of Antarctica over 500 years ago. What is most fascinating about this map is that it shows the coastline of Antarctica without any ice. How is this possible when images of the subglacial coastline of Antarctica were only seen for the first time after the development of ground-penetrating radar in 1958? Is it possible Antarctica has not always been covered under such an ice sheet? This could be evidence that it is a possibility” he acknowledges.

« A slight pole shift or displacement of the axis of rotation of the Earth in historical times is possibly the only rational explanation that comes to mind but we definitely need more research done before we jump to any conclusion.”

ICESat-2 (Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite 2), part of NASA’s Earth Observing System, is a planned satellite mission for measuring ice sheet mass elevation, sea ice freeboard as well as land topography and vegetation characteristics, and is set to launch in may 2017.

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/antarctica-nasa-images-reveal-traces-of-ancient-human-settlement-underneath-2-3-km-of-ice/

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2017, 03:07:22 pm »
THIS is what Ancient Ruins look like on EARTH buried under sand


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/20UMLR/04images/Mars_01/Inca_City/Assyrian_Ruins.png

Taken from "On Lunar Archaeology by SETI"

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2017, 03:07:45 pm »
"Towards Lunar Archaeology"
Dr. Alexey V. Arkhipov
Institute of Radio Astronomy, Nat. Acad. Sci. of Ukraine

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Our Moon is a potential indicator of a possible alien presence near the Earth at some time during the past 4 billion years. To ascertain the presence of alien artifacts, a survey for ruinlike formations on the Moon has been carried out as a precursor to lunar archaeology.

Computer algorithms for semi-automatic, archaeological photo-reconnaissance are discussed. About 80,000 Clementine lunar orbital images have been processed, and a number of quasirectangular patterns found. Morphological analysis of these patterns leads to possible reconstructions of their evolution in terms of erosion. Two scenarios are considered: 1) the collapse of subsurface quasi-rectangular systems of caverns, and 2) the erosion of hills with quasi-rectangular lattices of lineaments. We also note the presence of embankment-like,
quadrangular, hollow hills with rectangular depressions nearby.. Tectonic (geologic) interpretations of these features are considered. The similarity of these patterns to terrestrial archaeological sites and proposed lunar base concepts suggest the need for further study and future in situ exploration.

"There are times when a scientist must not be afraid to make a fool of himself"
 - Arthur C. Clarke

Today, the idea of exploring the Moon for non-human artifacts is not a popular one among selenologists. Unfortunately, the detection of ET artifacts on the Moon is outside the interest of most selenologists due to their orientation towards natural formations and processes. It is also not of interest to mainstream archaeologists, as archaeology tends to adhere to a pre-Copernican geocentric point-of-view.

SOURCE: The Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR)

SOURCE: New Frontiers in Science, Vol. 1 No. 2, Winter 2002 PDF

SETI
On Lunar Archeology

In 1992, the Search for Alien Artifacts on the Moon (SAAM) — the first privately-organized archaeological reconnaissance of the Moon — was initiated. The justifications of lunar SETI, the wording of specific principles of lunar archaeology, and the search for promising areas on the Moon were the first stage of the project (1992-95). Preliminary results of lunar exploration6 show that the search for alien artifacts on the Moon is a promising SETI strategy, especially in the context of lunar colonization plans.

SOURCE: The Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR)

Paper:

New Frontiers in Science, Vol. 1 No. 2, Winter 2002 PDF
Additional reading:
Arkhipov, A.V. “Earth-Moon System as a Collector of Alien Artefacts”, J. Brit. Interplanet. Soc., 1998, 51,181-184. Arkhipov, A.V.,
Graham, F.G. “Lunar SETI: A Justification”, in The Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence (SETI) in the Optical Spectrum II, ed. S.A. Kingsley ? G.A. Lemarchand, SPIE Proceedings, Vol. 2704, SPIE, Washington, 150-154, 1996.
Khorezmian Fortress Koy-Krylgan-Kala
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Fig. 1 The ancient Khorezmian fortress Koy-Krylgan-kala appeared as an impact crater on the air photo (left); its artificiality is obvious after the excavations in 1956 (right) [6].

...

The air view of the Ancient Assyrian ruins of Assur resemble the lunar lattice in Fig. 6.
 


Fig. 5 The example of a wafer find (image LHD5472Q.287)
 


Fig. 2 Simulation of probable HIRES view of ancient settlement on the Moon (left). The erosion wipes off the surface tracks of construction (center), but the SAAM processing could reveal the rectangular anomaly (right). 
 

Alexey V. Arkhipov is a researcher at the Institute of Radio Astronomy, National Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, and an Assistant professor at National Kharkov University. He has a Ph.D. in astrophysics and radio astronomy (Main Astronomical Observatory at the National Academy of Sciences of the Ukraine, Kyiv, 1998). The title of his dissertation was "New approaches to the problem of search for extra-terrestrial intelligence." Dr. Arkhipov's research involves the study of decametric radio emissions of Jupiter and non-classical approaches to SETI (e.g. archaeological reconnaissance of the Moon). He is the author of Selenites (http://www.setileague.org/articles/selenite.htm) and more than 100 technical and scientific articles. Dr. Arkhipov is the SETI League's Volunteer Coordinator for the Ukraine. He is a member of the SETI Center (Moscow), the Society for Planetary SETI Research (SPSR), and the SETI section of the Council on Astronomy of the Russian Academy of
Sciences. His curriculum vitae can be found at http://www.setileague.org/admin/alexey.htm.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/20UMLR/03files/Lunar_Archaeology.html

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2017, 03:10:42 pm »
Just found an update on that

Archaeological Reconnaissance of the Moon: Results of SAAM Project
Dr. Alexey V. Arkhipov (rai@ira.kharkov.ua)
Institute of Radio Astronomy, Nat. Acad. Sci. of Ukraine


http://spsr.utsi.edu/articles/Saam/SAAM.HTM

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2017, 03:20:52 pm »
Really? Do you know what ancient ruins look like buried under sand?

 ::)
You just posted some photos so we could compare, remember? :)

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Well NASA seems to disagree with you :P
Really? Post a real NASA quote, then.

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Re: Rectangular Ruins - A Fortress on Mars?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2017, 03:21:58 pm »
THIS is what Ancient Ruins look like on EARTH buried under sand


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/20UMLR/04images/Mars_01/Inca_City/Assyrian_Ruins.png

Taken from "On Lunar Archaeology by SETI"
And they look nothing like the photos from Mars. :)

 


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