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Endangered Earth => Chemtrails, Monsanto and Other Plots => Topic started by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 10:57:02 pm

Title: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 10:57:02 pm
Well since this is one of those hot age old... errr new age topics, I figured I would throw in my 2 cents worth

Lets start this a little different than the usual photos of Chemtrails...

Lets show that the INTENT is there and the METHOD. In that way we eliminate all the naysayers that say no one ever planned such a thing

US PATENT OFFICE

Patent:
Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming   


Publication number:      US5003186 (A)
Publication date:              1991-03-26
Inventors:        David B. Chang of Tustin and I-Fu Shih
Applicant(s):      HUGHES AIRCRAFT CO [US]

Abstract of  US 5003186  (A)

A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method includes the step of seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

This patent was first brought to my attention by AllSeeingI at ATS

Much as I know how much you guys detest the competition  :P due credit is only fair and he did do a LOT of hard work tracking all the info down

Chemtrails: US Patent #5003186: (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread513525/pg1)

The two inventors were still working for Raytheon, the company who bought Hughes Aircraft Co. as of 2005

http://www.raytheon.com/technology_today/archive/2005_Issue2.pdf - [PDF][Archived]

Their idea is to fight greenhouse gases with dust. (David B. Chang and I-Fu Shih on counteracting the greenhouse effect)(includes related article)

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9235698_ITM

Council on Foreign Relations on Planetary Geoengineering: “Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere”
March 27th, 2009


http://cryptogon.com/?p=7709

The word Chemtrails itself... was that made up by Conspiracy theorists? Many would say yes... They would be wrong

Chemtrail proof! 1990 US Air Force document!  (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread511949/pg1)

New Mexico State Library
Chemtrails, chemistry 131 manual, fall 1990 [microform].
Get your own copy Right Here (http://salsa.stlib.state.nm.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=W28307I9E1871.19&profile=nms&uri=link=3100007~!1551049~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=1&source=~!marquis&term=Chemtrails%2C+chemistry+131+manual%2C+fall+1990&index=ALTITLE)

Chemtrails, Chemistry 131 manual, fall 1991 : course policies and laboratory manual.
Available Here (http://salsa.stlib.state.nm.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=1283069B3641P.17&profile=nms&uri=full%3D3100001~!383590~!0&booklistformat=html&ri=2&bla_send_full_bib=true&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&view=items&page=0&group=0&&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=2&postmaster=New%20Mexico%20State%20Library&subject=Chemtrails,%20Chemistry%20131%20manual,%20fall%201991%20:%20course%20policies%20and%20laboratory%20manual.&emailaddress=standauffish@earthlink.net&fullmarc=false)


Rep. Kucinich's HR 2977 Names Chemtrails As An 'Exotic Weapon'

Here is the excerpt from the HR 2977 IH bill

(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;

(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;

(v) laser weapons systems;

(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and

(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.

(C) The term `exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space.

http://www.rense.com/general19/ex.htm

To see text of HR 2977:
http://www.carnicom.com/hr2977.htm

Rep. Kucinich's Bill is also listed at this US Government site:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/L?c107:./list/c107h.lst:2901

So there you have it Chemtrails are not created in the minds of Conspiracy Theorists  but in the minds of those that rule.... errrr run... our country
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 10:58:28 pm
Now the Chemtrail Debunkers will always argue, when ever you show pictures of Chemicals sprayed into the air... that only certain types could be classed as chemtrails...  but me personally, I tend to add all types of spraying to my list...

From simple crop dusting spraying pesticides into the air to NASA seeding the upper atmosphere with particles....
Feel free to pick and choose as you wish   I will just lay on the table what I see...

Chemtrails - The Evidence

I am going to start with NASA and end with NASA... because picking on NASA is my favorite sport

B-747 in Flight during Vortex Study

1974  this plane is equipped with special nozzles that NASA claims sprays smoke to study Vortex... perhaps, but it shows the equipment is readily available

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ECN-4242_900.jpg)

Closeup of the wings.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ECN-4242_detail.jpg)

More information here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Chemtrails_001.html)

Now lets toss in a picture of a 'Contrail'

Blue contrails?  :o

British Airways Boeing 747-436 In Flight International Airspace, June 7, 2003

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ChemtrailsFrontTurquoise.jpg)

Photo Credit: Josef P. Willems @ airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/British-Airways/Boeing-747-436/0392881&photo_nr=48&prev_id=0398270&next_id=0367477&size=L)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:00:04 pm
'Normal' Contrails?

KLM Cargo Boeing 747-206B(SF/SUD)
In Flight International Airspace, May 21, 2002

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ChemtrailsFrontSmoke.jpg)
Photo Credit: Josef P. Willems @ airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0239080&size=L&width=1024&height=780&sok=&photo_nr=59)

Pakistan International Airlines - PIA Boeing 747-367
 In Flight Kazakhstan, March 2003

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/ChemtrailsFrontSmokeLine.jpg)
Photo Credit: TriplET @ airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/332946/L/)


Well I will leave that for the experts to decide  8-)

Chemtrail and Contrail Photo Collections

Strange Days, Strange Skies (http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14)

Airlines.Net - Contrails Collection Page One (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?nr_of_rows=83&album=11558&album_name=Contrails%2C%20Vortices%20And%20Other%20Beautiful%20Effects%20&disp_order=desc&album_creator=aminikin&first_this_page=0&page_limit=60&sort_order=&thumbnails=noinfo&engine_version=)

Airlines.Net - Contrails Collection Page Two (http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?&album=11558&album_name=Contrails%2C%20Vortices%20And%20Other%20Beautiful%20Effects%20&disp_order=desc&album_creator=aminikin&nr_of_rows=83&first_this_page=60&page_limit=60&sort_order=&thumbnails=noinfo&engine_version=&nr_pages=2&page=)

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:00:57 pm
German News Station Exposes Chemtrails- Translated!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPqCMIuEk4[/youtube]

December 17, 2007
From: EpiphanyProductions


The German Military are exposed spraying Chemtrails. This is a Mainstream Media Exposé. Here is the proof that brings this subject to the realm of 'Conspiracy Fact' They are spraying Barium & Aluminum into our skies to control the weather & our health!
http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/ct/index.html

Here is the 'Weather Modification Bill-H.R. 2995' that was presented to Congress in 1995 to try and make this Orwellian population control legal:

H.R. 2995 [109th]: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-2995)

S. 517 [109th]: Weather Modification Research and Development Policy Authorization Act of 2005 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-517)

S. 2170 [108th]: Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act  (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s108-2170)

German News Station Exposes Chemtrails- Translated! (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Chemtrails_002.html)

Introductory Overview of Chemtrails  (http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/ct/index.html#intro)

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:04:49 pm
Should Government Aircraft Spray
Chemicals on Residential Areas?


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Weather/spray.png)
Photo Credit: ColorSync / flickr

By Aaron Rowe  June 15, 2008 

Quote
Note to the government: When you unilaterally send aircraft to spray unfamiliar chemicals over residential areas, the public will get very worried. Environmental activists will pick through mounds of official documents in an attempt to make sense of what you are doing: Will it affect our health?

Quote
Excerpt from LBAMspray.com:

    Check this MSDS from Dupont one of the 3 ingredients listed includes "1,2-BENZISOTHIAZOLIN-3-ONE" which is in LBAM-F. See Page 2 under "Potential Health Effects" "SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS EFFECTS OF ACUTE OVEREXPOSURE: High oral doses can cause apathy (lack of feeling or emotion)."

Even if you have the best intentions, to eradicate a tiny moth that could destroy dozens of fruit crops, be prepared to explain your plans, and seek the approval of the public, before getting started with such a controversial program.

WIRED SCIENCE NEWS (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/06/should-governme/)

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:05:24 pm
Water Dump

Added this just because it is a cool pic and if you see this happening you will know what it is. Well they SAY it's water ...

 ::)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Weather/1_air_shot_a.JPG)

Jumbo Jet dumping water

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkkSKxMyNog[/youtube]

Evergreen Super Tanker Service

Quote
MARKETS:

• Firefighting
• Oil Spill Containment
Weather Modification  :o
• Biochemical Decontamination

The Evergreen Supertanker is not just limited to fighting fire. It will be a true utilitarian aircraft with the capability to configure to different applications on short notice. This multimission aircraft can support sensitive security and environmental missions. The aircraft’s exceptional drop capabilities, loiter time and size make it an ideal tool to perform challenging homeland security missions, able to neutralize chemical attacks on military installments or major population centers, and help control large, environmentally disastrous oil spills.

In addition, the upper deck of the Boeing 747 provides over 200 square feet of space that could be assigned as a command and control center. EIA possesses an FAA exemption number 1870C that permits the carriage of up to five individuals that are not crewmembers in the upper deck. This area is capable of providing space for command and control components that would assist in sophisticated mapping, incident monitoring and video/communications downlink relay that might require additional personnel over and above the required crew.

Evergreen Aviation (http://www.evergreenaviation.com/supertanker/mkts.html)

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:05:55 pm
Western Kansas Weather Modification Program

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Weather/cloudseedingx-large.jpg)

Weather Modification
October 06, 2007


Quote
Water is prized in western Kansas, where aquifers are suffering and farms are miles wide and generations deep; a scant half inch of rain can mean the difference between a successful season and a failed one.

But when it comes in the form of fist-sized balls of ice known as hail, water's more than a menace. It can damage and even destroy crops.

That's where the Western Kansas Weather Modification Program and other cloud-seeding operations across the western U.S. come in. The WKWMP is among about 10 programs that tinker with the weather — either by trying to cut the size of hail or boost rainfall and snowpack. They do it largely by shooting up storm clouds with silver iodide or dry ice mixtures.

Cloud seeders prime the skies for needed rain - USATODAY.com

Also see Weather Modification, Inc. (Cloud Seeding, atmospheric research, rain enhancement, cloud physics)

Cloud seeders prime the skies for needed rain
 (http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/2007-09-30-cloud-seeding_N.htm)

Weather Modification, Inc. (http://www.weathermod.com/)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:06:42 pm
New Orleans Aerial Spraying

If you wake up early in the morning and happen to spot this aircraft flying over leaving a barely visible trail... do not worry its not "Chemtrails"... it is merely DIBROM, a pesticide and this single aircraft can cover 60,000 acres per day. Might be a good idea to cover the BBQ though.

 ::)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/Spraying_003.jpg)
U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey

Spray 'em out

NEW ORLEANS -- A U.S. Air Force Reserve C-130 Hercules from the 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, sprays Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, over the city Sept. 13. The C-130 crew plans to spray the New Orleans area first, then other affected Gulf Coast areas as required. Crews will target are primarily mosquitoes and filth flies, which are capable of transmitting diseases such as Malaria, West Nile virus, and various types of Encephalitis. The C-130 is capable of spraying about 60,000 acres per day. 050913-F-5964B-033 (http://www.afrc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050913-F-5964B-033.jpg)

Source: AFRC.AF.MIL (http://www.afrc.af.mil/photos/index.asp?galleryID=335)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/Spraying_001.jpg)
U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Shawn David McCowan

Tech. Sgt. Jim Graves (left) and Staff Sgt. Tom Kocis, aerial spray maintenance technicians with the 910th Aircraft Maintenance Squadron, check recirculation valves during a pre-flight inspection of the Modular Aerial Spray System Sept. 13. 050913-F-3849M-001 (http://www.afrc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050913-F-3849M-001.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/Spraying_002.jpg)
U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Bryan Ripple

Aerial Spraying

The Modular Aerial Spray System on Air Force Reserve Command C-130 aircraft can use a setting called ultra-low-volume and specialized spray boom nozzles like these to spread one-half to an ounce of chemical over an acre. The droplets need only be large enough to attach to the hair on a mosquito's leg to be effective. 050719-F-2585R-001 (http://www.afrc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050719-F-2585R-001.jpg)

Perfectly Harmless... errrr

Now not to worry... as these are safe chemicals:
Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/Spraying_004.jpg)
U.S. Air Force photo by 1st Lt. James Bressendorff

MINOT AIR FORCE BASE, N.D.

Staff Sgt. Tom Kocis performs a preflight nozzle inspection on a C-130 Hercules spraying system. The 757th Airlift Squadron's Airmen conducted aerial spraying here and the local community July 19 and 20 to reduce and control the mosquito population. The Airmen are from Youngstown Air Reserve Base, Ohio. 050719-F-1004B-002 (http://www.afrc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050719-F-1004B-002.jpg)


Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:08:52 pm
Boeing 777-300 - "The Long Room" (February 15, 2003)

Disclaimer: This is NOT a Chemtrail Aircraft, though it has been presented as such

Now why anyone would get the idea that it IS is beyond me

 ::)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Boeing/DCP_1165.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Boeing/DCP_1163.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/DSC01774.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/0855967.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/ChemTrails/281758994_73a0a2b4e8_b.jpg)

Article, more pictures and sources all here
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Boeing_777_300_The_Long_Room.html


Quote
Originally posted by tiderious

I saw this craft parked on the flightline for the better part of a year. It never seemed to move. I never saw it taxi, take off, or land. Or in the process of any of those.

Sometimes, it would just be gone. And i thought it must have moved on to some other base. but then it would show back up again after a couple of days.

Always seemed like a really odd plane to me. i never found out what its purpose was
.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:09:25 pm
Now bearing in mind what you just saw above in that Boeing 707-300, lets add a little more to the mystery...

(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesA/plane2.jpg)

The plane above is a Navy E-6 TACAMO. The material trailing off the wingtips is probably spy gear, which is why the fuel jettison ports are located inboard of the wingtips in this version of the Boeing 707-300 airframe. http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemrl.htm

So this is a picture of a FUEL DUMP not 'Chemtrails"

Quote
From: Craig Roberts
 
On the 135s, that photo was emailed to me and looked very bizarre as I used to work on 707s and know the fuel tank vents are in the wingtips. I sent this along to a friend who is in the 'right place' and he did an analysis. His response came in this morning: the airplane is a Navy TACAMO electronic command and control plane. It has NO room for extra fuel to spray, and the fuel vents were relocated to the inboard points because of all the antennas that are now in the wingtips. I'll email his response, including the Boeing site.

More here at RENSE.COM
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemrl.htm


Quote
In 1998 the U.S. Air Force introduced JP-8+100, an improved JP-8 fuel with a "fuel injector cleaner" (additive) that reduces fouling/coking in engine fuel controls, mainburner fuel nozzles, manifolds and augmentor sprayrings/spraybars and reduces smoke and soot in older engines. To initiate its transition, the JP-8 specification (MIL-T-83133D) was amended to allow limited use of the additive.

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum14/HTML/000003.html

Seems fuel dumps are very common, and military fuels are a lot 'dirtier' than commercial fuels thus increasing the chemicals in the air.

But these are not CHEMTRAILS  merely trails of toxic chemicals

 ::)

I will add more later on the toxic chemicals un Military Fuels

Now how about this little gem?

KTVL 7 weatherman acknowledges aluminium chemtrails! (8 april 2010)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1HgWZJAouQ[/youtube]

Quote
Scientists now admit that emissions from aircraft are forming artificial clouds that block out the sun, precisely what geoengineering advocates like top eugenicist and White House science advisor John P. Holdren have called for, but the article tries to insinuate that the effect is caused by natural “vapours,” when in reality it can be attributed to chemtrails that contain substances harmful to humans.

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, July 2, 2010
http://dprogram.net/climate-change/video-scientists-admit-chemtrails-are-creating-artificial-clouds.html
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:10:42 pm
Fuel Dumps

(http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/imgdb/img/978-img.jpg)

Well its only highly toxic jet fuel.. I wouldn't be too concerned. The Military assures us its relatively harmless

(http://www.piratenews.org/DEES_chemtrails_masks400.jpg)
Photo Credit: CHEMTRAILS OVER KNOXVILLE (http://www.piratenews.org/knoxville-tn-epa-ornl-air-pollution.html)



Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:11:01 pm
Chemtrails in Space
The Story from NASA


Okay I said I would finish with NASA  ;D

The Story from NASA
NASA is going to make pretty Noctilucent Clouds
Public Release but a Little Misdirection
The Innocent Launch from NASA
..
Saturday Night Light Show
Sept 20th, 2009

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Blackwell1a.jpg)
Credit: John A. Blackwell/Space Weather (http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=20&month=09&year=2009)


Quote
The phones started ringing around 7:30 pm EDT on Saturday night, Sept. 19th. All along the US Atlantic seaboard, police stations and news desks received reports of strange lights in the sky. John A. Blackwell of Exeter, New Hampshire, snapped this picture of the phenomenon:

    "It was an impressive display," says Blackwell. "To the naked eye, it was visible for about a minute."

It looks like a passing comet or a giant, luminous amoeba. But this was pure rocket science. The cloud was created by a Black Brant XII sounding rocket launched from NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Virginia. The rocket released a cloud of electrically-charged aerosols near the top of Earth's atmosphere to investigate the formation of noctilucent clouds or "NLCs." Mysterious NLCs form naturally around Earth's poles during the months of northern summer. On this September evening, researchers decided to see if they could create an artificial NLC at mid-latitudes; it seems to have worked.

Ground-based cameras and radars along the Atlantic coast monitored the experiment while the STPSat-1 satellite watched from Earth orbit. Principal investigators at the Naval Research Lab hope the data will reveal much about the microphysics of noctilucent clouds and the possible role of rockets in creating them.


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Neil-Winston-Rocket-Dump-Edit3_1253410995a.jpg)
Credit: Neil Winston/Space Weather (http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Neil-Winston-Rocket-Dump-Edit3_1253410995.jpg)

Quote
The rocket launched at around 7:30 pm (Eastern Time) from the NASA Wallops Flight Facility. It was a four stage rocket and you could see each stage ignite one after another. About four minutes after the launch, it released it's charged aerosol payload to create artificial noctilucent clouds. The release formed an impressive, bright cone shaped cloud. Photo Details: Canon EOS Rebel XSi, 200 ASA, 30s Exposure

SOURCE: Space Weather  (http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=20&month=09&year=2009)

Many more links and info here (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/CARE_Charged_Aerosol_Release_Experiment.html)

Collection of Natural Noctilucent Clouds (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Noctilucent_Cloud_Images_01.html)



(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Petersen1.jpg)

PS Look carefully... this one is looking back at you

 ::)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:14:03 pm
Quote from: olddood board=zorgon thread=8752 post=272290 time=1283079738
I can see 'The Eye in the Sky' in that photo.   8-)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:14:24 pm
Chemtrails in Space
The Reality 


The Project is in Reality a US NAVY Space Program project to
Create an Artificial Dust Shield for Military Purpose


The program is called CARE - Charged Aerosol Release Experiment

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Page01.png)

The following Slides are taken from a presentation on the purpose of this program. The important points I have gathered here.
 
   1. The program is sponsored by the US NAVY Naval Research Laboratory
   2. Purposes:
          * Allows for control of some physical processes in the space environment
          * Allows for possible denial of adversary communication/navigation systems (military)
          * Allows for possible new communication system techniques (military)
   3. How is the space environment perturbed?
          * Injection of charged particle beams (heavy ions or electron beams)
          * Release of chemicals that photoionize (barium)
          * Release of chemicals that attach electron (nickel carbonyl, sulfur hexafluride, trifloromethyl bromide)
          * Release of aerosol particles (space shuttle exhaust)
          * Injection of high power radio waves from space or the ground (HAARP, Arecibo, EISCAT Tromso)
   4. What types of perturbations are produced ?
          * Electron density
          * Electron temperature
          * Space plasma conductivity
          * Natural ionospheric currents (new communication techniques !)
          * Space plasma waves and turbulence (may degrade communication and navigation radio signals)
   5. Current Projects
          * Artificial Perturbation of Natural Dust Clouds in the Space Environment (Sponsored by NSF)
          * Creation of Artificial Dust Clouds in the Space Environment (Sponsored by NRL)
          * Creation of Artificial Plasma Clouds in Space for Remediation of Radioactive Particles after High Altitude Thermonuclear Detonation

The document has more mention of HAARP. This document also ties HAARP in with the European EISCAT system and the Arecibo Dish in Puerto Rico, something I have been trying to get official confirmation of for some time.

SOURCE: Active Perturbation of the Near Earth Space Environment (http://www.space.vt.edu/pdf/Scales.pdf) by Prof. Wayne A. Scales, PhD - Bradley Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
- [PDF][Archived]

Now it seems no matter where I turn, it always comes back to the NAVY as running the REAL space program (stay tuned for that  8-) ) even to the point of Bab Lazar's paycheck while at Area 51 being from the NAVY not the Air Force

Here are the slides from the CARE presentation.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Page02.png)

Here is the HAARP connection to the project, making this one of the most important documents I have found...

PS The NAVY runs HAARP  no matter what you may have thought

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program 
NRL Naval Research Laboratory (http://www.nrl.navy.mil/research/nrl-review/2004/atmospheric-science-and-technology/kennedy/)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Page03.png (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/CARE/Page03.png)

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I will get more into Space Plasma later  8-)

Confirmation of who is running the show...

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No more doubt about one of the uses of HARRP

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Well now... so much for NASA's pretty glowing cloud experiment.

To be sure it does make those pretty clouds... but as you can see, that is not its purpose
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:15:00 pm
Chemtrails in Space

Paper #2 - An Update on the Charged Aerosol Release Experiment CARE. NASA is not even mentioned anymore in this one

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The first thing we see here is the large Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) Logo. NASA is not even mentioned. Phage linked to this document in the other thread and many of his supporters gave him a star, yet reading that thread there was strangely NO ONE who mentioned that the article showed the real purpose of the experiment, nor the fact that it was a NAVY project, nor that HAARP is most definately involved.

    * Objectives:
          o Examine the effect of artificially-created, charged-particulate layers on the penetration of UHF, L-Band and S-Band radars.
          o Design and build a rocket payload with a chemical release and instruments to solve the mystery of radar echoes from dusty plasmas
    * Description: A series of rocket experiments will be conducted to test the theories for radar scatter from charged dust - Rocket Experiment
          o Chemical Release (280 km Altitude, 111 kg)
          o Instrumented Payload - Radio Beacon (CARE I)
          o Ground Radars for Backscatter Observations
          o Launch Sites
                + Wallops Island, Virginia (CARE I 2009)
                + Andoya, Norway or Poker Flat, Alaska (CARE II)
                + Kwajalein, Marshall Islands (CARE II Alternate)

SOURCE: An Update on the Charged Aerosol Release Experiment CARE (http://wpdp.colorado.edu/Files/Presentations/BERNHARDT.pdf) - [PDF][Archived]

Kwajalien Island involved? That is the USARMY-Space and Missile Defense Command's launch site and has been since 1956

Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Test Site (RTS) - Marshall Islands

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See here for more details on Kwajalien (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Kwajalein_Atoll_01.html)

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    * Artificial Noctilucent Cloud Formation
          o Physics of Enhanced Radar Scatter
    * Release from Nihka Solid Rocket Motor
          o Large Concentration of Dust
          o Supersonic Injection Velocity
    * Global Transport of Dust Layer

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Much more data and links to all the information from NASA and the NAVY as well as related source to numerous to add in here. Just visit my page at (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/CARE_Charged_Aerosol_Release_Experiment.html)



Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:19:30 pm
Final Note

The History of Barium Cloud Experiments

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Credit: NASA/LIFE  (http://images.google.com/hosted/life/l?q=nasa+cloud+experiment&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnasa%2Bcloud%2Bexperiment%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1&imgurl=3c2a5a9a3d7a76d9)

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Alaska Science Forum
March 3, 1976
International Barium Releases
Article #28
by T. Neil Davis


This column is provided as a public service by the Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, in cooperation with the UAF research community. T. Neil Davis is a seismologist at the institute.

Strange lights seen in Alaskan skies on late February and early March 1978 evenings have a reasonable explanation. These were chemical releases performed at high altitude aboard rockets flown from the University's Poker Flat rocket range near Fairbanks.

The two most beautiful sequences, on February 27 and March l, were conducted by a group of Danish scientists, the first truly international users of Alaska's scientific rocket range.

Each Danish rocket released a chemical called trimethylaluminate (TMA, for short) as it sped upward through altitude 80 km (50 miles). At this altitude the rocket was still in darkness and the TMA formed a yellowish trail. Then as the rocket entered sunlight, the TMA being released glowed a beautiful blue color.

By photographing the deformation of the TMA trail with cameras at Arctic Village, Fort Yukon and Fairbanks, the Danish scientists measured the wind in the region through which the rocket was flying.

A minute or so later, the rocket released a puff of barium gas. The barium release soon formed two clouds that drifted apart. One part, composed of ionized barium, drifted away westward under the influence of the electric field in the high atmosphere. Thus by tracking it, the Danes could measure the electric field. Two more barium releases and then a second TMA release, performed as the rocket fell back toward the earth, allowed additional measurements of the wind and electric field over an extended region above Alaska.

The highest barium releases were at altitude 270 km, high enough to be easily seen all over Alaska and western Canada wherever the sky was clear.

People have wondered if there was a connection between the barium releases and the extensive auroras that occurred throughout each night following the chemical release. The answer is yes, but the releases did not cause the aurora. It was the other way around. By observing with various instruments, it was known that extensive auroras were already occurring over Alaska when the releases were made in evening twilight. Since the objective was to measure the effects of the aurora on the high-altitude winds, the rockets were purposely flown during times of extensive naturally occurring aurora
.

SOURCE: +http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.htmlInternational Barium Releases - Article #28 (http://+http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF0/028.htmlInternational Barium Releases - Article #28)

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I think its time to get some sleep  :o
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:24:12 pm
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSSWnXQsgOU[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:25:00 pm
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Originally posted by valandur

 I've been saving this story that aired on a local news channel a few years ago.

Link- http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7339345

CHEMTRAILS: Is U.S. Gov't. Secretly Testing Americans 'Again'?

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Posted: Nov 09, 2007 6:46 PM CST Updated: Dec 21, 2007 6:17 PM CST

Could a strange substance found by an Ark-La-Tex man be part of secret government testing program?  That's the question at the heart of a phenomenon called "Chemtrails."  In a KSLA News 12 investigation, Reporter Jeff Ferrell shows us the results of testing we had done about what's in our skies. "It seemed like some mornings it was just criss-crossing the whole sky.  It was just like a giant checkerboard," described Bill Nichols.  He snapped several photos of the strange clouds from his home in Stamps, in southwest Arkansas.  Nichols said these unusual clouds begin as normal contrails from a jet engine.  But unlike normal contrails, these do 'not' fade away.

Soon after a recent episode he saw particles in the air.  "We'd see it drop to the ground in a haze," added Nichols.  He then noticed the material collecting on the ground. "This is water and stuff that I collected in bowls.  I had it sitting out in my backyard in my dad's pick-up truck," said Nichols as he handed us a mason jar in the KSLA News 12 parking lot back in September after driving down from Arkansas.

KSLA News 12 had the sample tested at a lab.  The results:  A high level of barium, 6.8 parts per million, (ppm).  That's more than three times the toxic level set by the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA. Armed with these lab results about the high levels of barium found in our sample, we decided to contact the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality.  They told us that, 'yes,' these levels are very unusual.  But at the same time they added the caveat that proving the source is a whole 'nother matter. We discovered during our investigation that Barium is a hallmark of other chemtrail testing.  This phenomenon even attracted the attention of a Los Angeles network affiliate, which aired a report entitled, "Toxic Sky?"

There's already no shortage of unclassified weather modification programs by the government.  But those who fear chemtrails could be secret biological and chemical testing on the public point to the 1977 U.S. Senate hearings which confirmed 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969.  Later, the 1994 Rockefeller Report concluded hundreds of thousands of military personnel were also subjected to secret biological experiments over the last 60-years.

But could secret testing be underway yet again?  "I'd rather it be something inert and you know something that's not causing any damage but I'd like to know what it is," concluded Nichols. KSLA News 12 discovered chemtrails are even mentioned by name in the initial draft of HR 2977 back in 2001, under the Space Preservation Act.  But the military denies any such program exists. It turns out, until just nine years ago the government had the right, under U.S. law, to conduct secret testing on the American public, under specific conditions.  Only a public outcry repealed part of that law, with some "exceptions."

Mark Ryan, Director of the Poison Control Center, explained that short term exposure to barium can lead to anything from stomach to chest pains, with long-term exposure causing blood pressure problems. Ryan addressed concerns by chemtrail researchers that barium could be meant to wear down a person's immune system.  "Anything that causes ill effects on the body long-term, chronically, is going to affect your ability, it's just constantly working on the body.  So from that aspect yeah it's a potential."

Ryan told us he's conducted research of his own about secret government testing on the public.  But he's still a bit skeptical about chemtrails at the moment, especially considering that his Poison Control Center has seen no calls about barium exposure.

Story by Jeff Ferrell
===============================================

 Judging by the scorching summer we are having where I am, the fallacy that this is being done to somehow prevent "global warming" needs to be exposed because obviously it's NOT working!

  Valandur
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:25:24 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Somamech.jpg)  Somamech

I talked of this report elsewhere (yet had no video link), and how this report was felt the next day whilst discussing it with my Vietnamese/OZ friends at work. 

Even though some of the guys and gals I work/worked with/know as friends with were fighting on different sides, none of them have any respect for Agent Orange.

 :'(

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJxb7CY13uc[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:25:41 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Somamech.jpg)  Somamech

I was hesitant to post this link due to not completely understanding the research:

Daytime observations of lower thermospheric wind profiles at Woomera
http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/handle/1947/9394


Profiles of the daytime wind in the lower thermosphere, determined by observing the release of lithium vapour from a rocket, are presented. The observed profiles are compared with predicted tidal winds. The influence of thermospheric winds on ionisation distribution is discussed in relation to simultaneously observed ionospheric parameters. An outline is given of the analysis of the data obtained from the daytime lithium scanners, particular attention being given to problems which arise in the data analysis.

FULL PDF HERE: (http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/bitstream/1947/9394/1/WRE-TR-1809%28W%29%20PR.pdf) - [PDF][Archived]

 :)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:26:35 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=18;type=avatar) ellirium113

I found a wealth of information on chemtrails here:

http://www.nogw.com/aluminum.html (http://www.nogw.com/aluminum.html)
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_chemtrails.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_chemtrails.htm)


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One question I have if I may: In your opinion why are these people doing what they are doing? I mean to say why spray harmful chemicals over populated areas?

I do not know what Zorgon's opinion on this is, but from everything I have seen this pretty much sums it up:

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This whole chemtrail issue is related to the plan for decreasing the world population to around 450-500 million -- and starting with the US first.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_atmospheric_phenomena01.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_atmospheric_phenomena01.htm)

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature.

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:27:27 pm
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Originally posted by swingarm
Thank you for extensive amount of research. Weedwacker , Essan and Ozweatherman would be speechless  ;)

Another good site I remember looking at a few years back was


http://www.willthomas.net/chemtrails/index.htm
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:28:05 pm
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Originally posted by easynow
great thread Zorgon and a fascinating subject to say the least,

all this has me wondering if the X-37 orbital vehicle is participating in these upper atmosphere experiments ? seems plausible to me since the mission is secret and if the X-37 is carrying a payload for Charged Aerosol Release, experiments could be conducted whenever they wanted and nobody would be the wiser because it's already up there !  ???


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In 2025, uninhabited aerospace vehicles (UAV) are routinely used for weather-modification operations. By cross-referencing desired attack times with wind and thunderstorm forecasts and the SPOT satellite's projected orbit, the WFSE generates mission profiles for each UAV. The WFSE guides each UAV using near-real-time information from a networked sensor array.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59283/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59281/pg1
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:28:39 pm
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Original post by easynow

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author spacemaverick
@easynow,  interesting theory regarding the X-37.  The vehcile can be used various purposes but this could surely be one, maybe?  I believe the possibility exist.  I believe it is a multipurpose platform to say the least. (my opinion of course)

no doubt the X-37 is a multipurpose vehicle and makes perfect sense it's involved with upper atmosphere experiments. obviously the M.I.C. is working on weapons applications of weather modification and EMF charged particles in the upper atmosphere which coincidently is right where the X-37 operates.

i'm also wondering if "HAARP" replaced the need for nuclear detonations in the upper atmosphere ? i think "Operation Argus" was the beginning of these UHF/VHF/EMF research experiments and it seems the HAARP weapon can covertly produce the same kind of results without the fallout(?) and without alerting the Public.  :o


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Operation Argus was the only clandestine test series in the 17 year history of atmospheric testing. It was secretly conducted in the South Atlantic, 1100 miles southwest of Capetown, South Africa. Argus consisted of three very high altitude test shots of the W-25 warhead to investigate the effects of nuclear explosions outside of the atmosphere - how the charged particles and radioactive isotopes released would interact with the Earth's magnetic field which could potentially interfere with radar tracking, communications, and the electronics of satellites and ballistic missiles. l

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Argus.htm

[youtube]YZu7et1dZlA[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:29:21 pm
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originally posted by Somamech
Even though some of the guys and gals I work/worked with/know as friends with were fighting on different sides, none of them have any respect for Agent Orange.

Glad you brought up Agent Orange...

Did you know that they tested it on American citizens?

Army probes use of Agent Orange in Md.

By Staff Associated Press Saturday, July 31, 2010

FREDERICK, Md. (AP) — The Army says it's searching internal records for details on outdoor spray testing of Agent Orange at Fort Detrick in Frederick.

A Fort Detrick spokesman said Friday that the Maryland Department of the Environment asked the Army about the tests. The Veterans Administration says they were conducted there in the 1940s and '50s.

Concerns have been raised by some past and present Fort Detrick neighbors who contend their families' cancer and other health problems stem from the Army's careless use and disposal of toxic chemicals.

Agent Orange is the nickname for a blend of herbicides the U.S. military sprayed during the Vietnam War to remove plants and leaves that provided enemy cover.

The VA has recognized certain cancers and diseases associated with Agent Orange exposure.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/31/army-probes-use-agent-orange-md/

The Legacy of Agent Orange

Agent Orange (a 50:50 mix of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T) was one of several defoliants used. The others were Agent Pink, Agent Blue and Agent White. The names were derived from the colour coding of the drums containing the defoliants.

Test trials of Agent Orange were carried out in Puerto Rico.

The US imposed a military government on Puerto Rico a century ago when it was seized from the Spanish. The island of Vieques (40 miles off the coast, population 5,500) has been used for target practise by the US military for the last 60 years. Since 1980 it has been used for test firing of depleted uranium munitions, chemical contaminants have found their way into ground water, local crabs have 20 times the normal levels of heavy metals, cancer rates amongst the island's population is twice the national average.

http://home.clara.net/heureka/gaia/orange.htm

Agent Orange was manufactured by Monsanto, Dow Chemicals (manufacturers of napalm), Uniroyal, Hercules, Diamond Shamrock, Thompson Chemical and TH Agriculture. Monsanto were the main supplier. The Agent Orange produced by Monsanto had dioxin levels many times higher than that produced by Dow Chemicals, the other major supplier of Agent Orange to Vietnam.

Funny how that name Monsanto crops up

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Ex-Mayor Marilyn Leistner of Times Beach, Mo., which became a ghost town after dioxin contamination in 1983

How Agent Orange Worked (http://science.howstuffworks.com/agent-orange.htm/printable)

Tested on soldiers in Canada (http://www.exercisevacuum.com/)

Law Suit

On September 12, 2007, the government of Canada provided a one-time, tax-free ex gratia payment of $20,000 related to the testing of unregistered U.S. military herbicides, including Agent Orange, at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Gagetown in 1966 and 1967. To qualify for the ex gratia payment, individuals must have:

    * Been alive on February 6, 2006
    * worked at, trained at, been posted to, or lived within five kilometres of CFB Gagetown, when Agent Orange was tested in 1966 and 1967
    * Have an illness associated with contaminants contained in Agent Orange as determined by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine

http://www.ombudsman-veterans.gc.ca/consultations/topic-sujet/pc-eng.cfm?1

Stalling Agent Orange suit costs Ottawa $7.8M

The federal government has now spent $7.8 million fighting a legal challenge from people claiming they were exposed to Agent Orange at CFB Gagetown.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/06/24/nb-agent-orange-class-action-lawsuit-552.html

Funny thing is a few years ago I had a hard time finding out about the Alberta testing...  ;D

There are many references now to testing on American and Canadian citizens...

Your tax dollars hard at work  :P
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:30:18 pm
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Originally posted byvectorian
harmful to the ozone layer that protects earth.

Ozone layer... hmmmm yes I need to put out a little info on that. Seems many just buy into what the news media says...

#1 As far as I am concerned ANY effort to reduce toxins in the atmosphere is a good cause, so the ozone scare is good in that context

#2 How many of you know what Ozone is... and how it's formed?

Well lets have a quick look...

Ozone is OXYGEN  plain and simple. The Oxygen (O) atom has 2 free electrons... these are used for bonding (valence) but to keep it simple lets call them 'hooks'

So -O- is an oxygen atom.  Oxygen is POISONOUS to us. We breathe O2. This is because O likes to be attached to something... like Di-hydrogen Oxide (Water)  H=O=H or H2O

It is this habit of oxygen that causes rapid burning (oxidization). Rust is Iron with Oxygen or Iron Oxide (FeO). In a way water could be considered the 'rust' of hydrogen.  ;D

In iron oxide the iron is still there, so adding energy (heat) we can get that iron back, just like we can split water into oxygen and hydrogen by applying energy (electricity). A small saprk and POOF you release that added energy and make water.

This is what happens in a liquid fuel rocket... the liquid H and O combine with a tremendous instant release of energy... and the result is water vapor.. clean and pure...

So back to OZONE... Ozone is O3  How is it created? well when energy (UV Light) hits an oxygen molecule O2 it pries it open and adds a third atom...  This new molecule has absorbed UV in its creation.

As O3 is heavier it drops, eventually releases its energy because O2 is the natural state and the CYCLE starts all over again...

When Scientists found the hole over the poles they panicked... until much later cooler heads prevailed and they realized that there was a hole because sunlight didn't reach the poles in large volumes. The hole has always been there... fluctuates in size depending on the amount of UV the sun puts out

(http://images.wikia.com/green/images/a/a0/Ozone_cycle.jpg)

So go out and plant something that gives off oxygen... help eliminate those toxic chemtrails

 ::)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:30:41 pm
Quote
Originally posted by whisperagct
In your opinion why are these people doing what they are doing? I mean to say why spray harmful chemicals over populated areas?

Well many reasons

-the spraying of chemicals for pest control seemed valid but now we are finding those chemicals getting into our food chain and the bugs are getting immune... so good intentions are back firing

-the spraying of chemicals in warfare, the disregard of the military in using toxic fuels, etc... well they are the military and do pretty much as they please... and for the most part we 'tolerate' it in the name of 'security'

-the actual chemtrails... high atmosphere particles and now even in space... I believe that they had good intentions, trying to counteract 'global warming' which is a solar system wide phenomena. It is quite possible they belief that they can block harmful solar radiation using this method.

However my HAARP research shows, and some already shown in this thread, that certain particles in the high stratosphere do indeed have military applications for radar, communications and detection.

I believe we have, or are very close to having... a planetary shield, certainly effective for Earth based missile launches, but also from outside.

My big problem is I don't trust most of those running the show to have our best interests at heart

I know HAARP and sister installations have the potential to throw up a planetary shield that could replace our own magnetic shield. I will get into that in another thread  8-)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:31:49 pm
Okay I learned some new terms today   ;D

Started with this little hint dropped at the other place

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Originally posted by boondock-saint
has anybody done any research into
Project Cloverleaf ????
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Hmmmm no..

Not yet :D

From my .mil sources I see an FOIA request...

02-F-0351 WILLIAMS, CHRISTOPHER 12/14/01 12/18/01 INFORMATION ON PROJECT CLOVERLEAF (http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/logs/FOIALog_FY02.pdf) - [PDF][Archived]

I'll see what I can dig up...   ...

Well not a lot on Project Cloverleaf that isn't on chemtrail websites so far, but there was this...

Well this is interesting...

They call it Project Cloverleaf. At night, giant planes with no pilots roam the sky over the U.S. Instead of a mere vapor trail, they are filling the sky with  unknown chemicals designed to darken the earth.  To thousands of people around the U.S., this is not a sci-fi movie or even a conspiracy theory; it is real. 

Scott Stevens is a believer. 

Stevens, a meteorologist and weatherman with News Channel 6 in Pocatello, said the phenomenon known as "global dimming" could be a clandestine operation by the government to slow the effects of global warming.  While global dimming is a contentious scientific issue, some scientists think thicker cloud cover may be reducing the amount of sunlight reaching the earth.

Is the U.S. creating cloud cover? (http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_us_create_cloud_cover.htm)

Believers contend feds behind 'global dimming'

Now using "global dimming"  as a new search word...

The Contrail Effect by Peter Tyson
Dimming the Sun homepage 
Are vapor trails from aircraft influencing the climate, and if so, should we worry?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/contrail.html

:o (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies/wow.gif) PBS NOVA has a whole section devoted to Dimming the Sun

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/

(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/images/cont-usafc141starliftercontr.jpg)
Contrails, the man-made clouds left in the wake of jet aircraft, may actually alter climate, though to what degree remains unclear.

Gotta love it when respectable orgs like PBS NOVA cover stuff like this. I still owe them big time for "Astrospies", about the secret astronaut program

AND a mainstream News weatherman (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies/lol.gif)

Seems I have some homework to do...

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:32:17 pm
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Originally posted by valandur
 This was posted in another forum, it certainly gives some little talked about answers to why they are spraying people with aluminum and barium.  Ah Monsanto is so evil..... 

  Valandur

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:33:08 pm
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Originally posted by slaveearth
Investigative reporters and film producers G. Edward Griffin and Mike Murphy presented evidence and theories behind the phenomenon of chemtrails, which are said to be caused by chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed into the atmosphere by planes. Griffin differentiated chemtrails from jet contrails, noting that contrails (condensation trails) dissipate quickly in the air, while chemtrails linger for some time.

The two pointed toward geoengineering (weather modification) as a rapidly developing industry that is experimenting with aerial spraying/chemtrails. Murphy cited the US Military's report Owning the Weather in 2025 (PDF file), and connected the spraying with massive amounts of aluminum, barium, and strontium found in snow, rain, and soil samples in places like Mount Shasta. For more on test results, he recommended the site geoengineeringwatch.org. He also talked about declining organic farming in Hawaii, and suggested that chemtrails might be damaging crops in order to force farmers to use GMO seeds.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/10/11

In describing a plane's typical chemtrail mission, "we see them in the morning...going back and forth in the sky, and behind them we see the long trails that persist," said Murphy, who noted that this is a global operation that sometimes involves UN planes, and many different governments. They are traversing the sky where there are no regular flight patterns, Griffin added. The agenda of those using chemtrails likely extends beyond
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:33:30 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=18;type=avatar) ellirium113

(http://www.nogw.com/images/052008_chemtrail_lab_result_lg.jpg)

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:33:59 pm
USArmy Tests Bio Warfare on American Cities

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgDI82fOw8[/youtube]

just posting this to remind me to dig up more on this. Not really a 'Chemtrail' as such but in the same category of dumping stuff on us

Called "Operation Big City"

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Originally Posted by malkor

yikes.

here's a thought.

step 1.  dump aluminum and barium into the soil on the pretext of saving us from global warming.

step 2. place monsanto's man as fda food czar.
http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-08-monsanto-FDA-taylor

step 3. then, with the authority gained from bill S 510, outlaw individual farming because the soil is too toxic and it's a national health hazard.
http://www.naturalnews.com/030418_Food_Safety_Modernization_Act_seeds.html

what do you think, too over the edge?

Agent Orange Ex-gratia Payment

The new deadline for applications is June 30, 2011.

On December 22, 2010, the Honourable Jean-Pierre Blackburn, Minister of Veterans Affairs and Minister of State (Agriculture), announced that the Government of Canada is extending the one-time, tax-free ex gratia payment of $20,000 related to the testing of unregistered U.S. military herbicides, including Agent Orange, at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Gagetown in 1966 and 1967.

For more information on eligibility criteria, contact Veterans Affairs Canada by visiting www.vac-acc.gc.ca or calling 1-866-522-2122.

The Use of Herbicides at CFB Gagetown from 1952 to Present Day (http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/reports-rapports/defoliant/index-eng.asp)

Homeland Security To Test Biological Sensors In MBTA Tunnels
By Karen Anderson, WBZ-TV (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/homeland-security-to-test-biological-sensors-in-mbta-tunnels/#.T5_tvsKLbYQ.facebook)

READ: DHS Test Summary - Environmental Assessment for Bacillus subtilis Particles to Challenge Bio-Detection Sensors in Subway Stations (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/st/st_dea_detect_to_protect.pdf) - [PDF][Archived]


Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 23, 2011, 11:57:19 pm
The Use of Herbicides at CFB Gagetown from 1952 to Present Day

For three days in June 1966 and four days in June 1967, Agent Orange, Agent Purple and other unregistered herbicides were tested at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Gagetown in cooperation with the U.S. military to evaluate their effectiveness. These are the only known instances that these military test chemicals were used at CFB Gagetown. Agent Orange, Agent Purple and other unregistered herbicides are not used at the base today. The base uses only federally regulated herbicides for brush control during its annual vegetation management program.

In August 2005 the Department of National Defence, with participation from Veterans Affairs Canada, Health Canada, and additional departments and agencies, initiated a fact-finding mission to gain information on the history of herbicides tested and used at CFB Gagetown from 1952 to the present day, and the potential risks to human health and the environment. A major interdepartmental effort has occurred over the past two years to conduct the analysis necessary to provide all the facts.

An independent Fact-finding and Outreach Coordinator, Dr. Dennis Furlong, was named to oversee this process. His work included providing input on the plans and reports for each fact-finding task, as well as being the principal contact for those seeking information about herbicide testing and use at CFB Gagetown. The fact-finding tasks were conducted by contracted, highly qualified non-governmental experts.

The draft reports of the scientific research were peer-reviewed by qualified, independent experts. The contractors addressed their comments, and the final reports were provided directly and concurrently to the Ministers of National Defence, Veterans Affairs, and the Fact-finding and Outreach Coordinator. Reports involving human health aspects were also provided to the Minister of Health. The Fact-finding and Outreach Coordinator, accompanied by the appropriate experts, then shared the results of each report with the public.

All of the fact-finding tasks are now complete, and there is a much clearer understanding and greater knowledge of the testing and use of herbicides at CFB Gagetown. Scientific study from the excavations, soil, water and vegetation sampling, human health risk assessments, and the epidemiological study indicates that most people who lived near or worked at CFB Gagetown were not at risk for long-term health effects from the herbicides applied there. The science also indicates that the base is safe today.

Results of the Fact-finding Tasks

Task 1

As part of the fact-finding initiative, the Department of National Defence committed to producing a comprehensive list of individuals and military units who were present at CFB Gagetown during the testing of Agent Orange, Agent Purple and other herbicides in 1966 and 1967, and during the eight to 12 weeks per year (between June and August) from 1952 to the present day when application of herbicides took place.

The contractor for this task, Canadian Development Consultants International Inc, compiled a database with relevant information on more than 115,000 individuals. Information that was not deemed to be of a personal nature (this includes such information as the names, ranks and units of some individuals, as well as the dates they were in Gagetown) was made public. Personal information (this includes such things as age, employee numbers, home addresses and family information) will not be made public.

Any information collected from individuals by the Fact-finding and Outreach Coordinator's office is also considered personal and will not be made public. Individuals who wish to submit a request for personal information may do so under the Privacy Act through the Directorate Access to Information and Privacy at National Defence.

Task 2A

The objective of this task was to review the history of the use of herbicides at the CFB Gagetown range and training area from 1952 to the present day, to compile a comprehensive database for this information, and to provide information on the types of herbicides used and how they were used.

The contractor, Jacques Whitford, determined that aside from the military products used in the herbicide trials in 1966 and 1967, the herbicides applied at CFB Gagetown over the past fifty years were regulated and commonly used across Canada. The herbicide application program at CFB Gagetown followed the policies, science, and best practices of the time, as regulated by Federal and Provincial governments. Where specific information could be obtained from historical records, rates of application of herbicides used at CFB Gagetown were either within, or in many instances lower than, the recommended application rates suggested by the manufacturer.

Task 2B

The purpose of this task was to conduct an environmental site assessment of the range and training area at CFB Gagetown.

Based on the laboratory tests, only concentrations of dioxins and arsenic in some of the soil samples exceeded the Canadian soil quality guidelines. The highest concentrations of dioxins in soil were found in the location of the 1967 test plots. Concentrations slightly above Canadian guidelines of dioxins in soil were also found in the Clones bivouac site, the Murphy bivouac site, the Enniskillen

Range, the 1966 test plots, and four other discrete sites in the range and training area. In a proactive precautionary measure, DND temporarily restricted site access to areas where dioxins concentrations were the highest (1967 test plots), as well as where human exposure to surface soils would be the most concentrated (in the bivouacs) until the results of a site specific risk assessment were completed. Further study determined that the dioxin levels in these areas posed no risk to human health.

Groundwater and surface water samples had concentrations of dioxins less than the Ontario Ministry of the Environment drinking water quality objective, which was used as a comparison due to the absence of a Canadian drinking quality guideline.

Task 2C

This task aimed to conduct a barrel investigation, and excavation program and analysis. During the excavation process, no herbicide barrels were discovered.

Task 2D

This task modelled how herbicides migrated through the air from aerial application in order to provide exposure scenarios for the health risk assessment identified in Task 3A-1.

Task 2E

The goal of this task was to assess whether herbicides and associated contaminants may have migrated through groundwater and/or surface water.

The contractor for this task, Jacques Whitford, concluded that it would be difficult, expensive and take considerable time to quantitatively estimate surface water migration. It is not possible to quantitatively estimate groundwater migration due to the variability of conditions across the base and the lack of adequate data on soils and geology. Cantox Environmental used the Jacques Whitford scoping report, together with a qualitative approach, to eliminate the water exposure pathway from further consideration in the health risk assessments.

Task 3A-1

The objective of this task was to conduct a historical human health risk assessment to determine how humans may have been exposed to herbicides and military test chemicals at the time of use, and the potential risks to human health. This study was done in three tiers. Tier 1 concentrated on the contaminants related to the 1966 and 1967 testing of unregistered military chemicals. Tiers 2 and 3 concentrated on all other years of registered herbicide use.

The contractor for this task, Cantox Environmental, concluded that the military chemicals tested at CFB Gagetown in 1966 and 1967, the known contaminants in the herbicides used at CFB Gagetown during the annual spray program in the period prior to the late 1960s, and the active ingredients in the herbicides used at CFB Gagetown during the annual spray program posed no long-term risk to human health and safety for most individuals. Those who were directly involved during applications or who worked in the bush immediately after application may have some increased risk. The contractor also concluded that the known contaminants in the herbicides used at CFB Gagetown during the annual spray program after the late 1960s posed no long-term risk to human health and safety.

Task 3A-2

For this task, a present day contaminated site human health risk assessment, using data gathered from Task 2B, was conducted to assess current exposures and human health risks for all contaminants of potential concern identified in the water, soil, sediment, and vegetation environmental media sampled and analyzed at CFB Gagetown.

The results of this task indicate there is currently no risk to human health (as a result of herbicide use) in the areas of the base where access was restricted as a precautionary measure following the environmental site assessment.

Task 3B

The objective of this task was to perform a literature review of all epidemiologic studies examining the relationship between herbicides (those applied at CFB Gagetown) and human health, and to conduct a descriptive epidemiological study to determine whether the communities surrounding CFB Gagetown had a higher incidence of illness as compared to the general population of the province of New Brunswick.

The contractor for Task 3B, Dalhousie University led by Dr. Judy Guernsey, concluded that the communities surrounding CFB Gagetown do not have a significantly higher incidence of illness, as compared to the province of New Brunswick.

Task 3

A consolidated report for all parts of Task 3 was completed. This report includes the results of the epidemiology research integrated with the results of the human health risk assessments.

Task 4

The purpose of Task 4 was to provide information on tissue dioxin concentrations in fish and freshwater clams sampled within the CFB Gagetown Range and Training Area. These data provide estimates to whether there is a potential risk to humans from consumption of fish and freshwater clams at CFB Gagetown.

The contractor for Task 4, G.A. Packman and Associates, concluded that the levels of dioxins in fish and freshwater clams at CFB Gagetown were either below or consistent with regulated limits and values for fish and freshwater clams from other locations.


The Use of Herbicides at CFB Gagetown from 1952 to Present Day (http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/reports-rapports/defoliant/index-eng.asp)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 02:13:19 am
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/freedomdove2/avatars/avatar76.png)  Dove

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGK4K3_VD6o[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeOPEFDGbU[/youtube]

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Originally posted by valandur
 I've been saving this story that aired on a local news channel a few years ago.

Link- http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=7339345

CHEMTRAILS: Is U.S. Gov't. Secretly Testing Americans 'Again'?


Here's the footage for that news story:

Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI[/youtube]

I don't know how many of you have heard of Morgellon's, but this is a critical disease right now among many many people all across the country (and perhaps in other countries).  It is an illness wherein scabs are cropping on people's bodies, and they're finding very small fibers coming out of sores all over their body.  It's very painful and irritating, from what I've read.  It feels as though they have little bugs crawling around under their skin.  Many patients are having neurological symptoms, as well.

Some (very idiotic) doctors are saying that this is all in the patient's heads, but I assure you that it isn't.  These people are very much having *real* symptoms, and it's not something that you can brush off, no matter how many docs want to do that.  As is the case with some other illnesses, if it's not in their medical books, then it doesn't exist.  ::)

The fibers have been found to be parasitic and some have been plastic fibers.  I've seen very strange glistening things covering the entire ground after it rains in the past few years.  This rain coming after a day of chemtrail spraying.  I didn't inspect them, as I didn't want to touch the stuff, but some people *have* looked at them under a microscope.  They are undoubtedly fibers of some sort.  Whether all patient's fibers are parasitic (nanotech) or plastic is unknown.  I've read of both being found. 

Most people report that the outbreaks happen after they've laid on the grass or handled other materials such as hay or plants in their gardens.  If it's not coming from the rainwater, where is it coming from?   ::)

There has been little help for these patients.  It's utterly ridiculous the treatment they've received by ignorant doctors.  One thing that seems to help quite a bit is internal and external use of high-quality colloidal silver and some other natural remedies.  Antibiotics sometimes help, but not for all people, and it seems that it tries to come back after a time.  This disease must be treated internally and externally. 

These doctors should be drawn and quartered for their incompetence and refusal to look into this farther, and for saying this is all in the patient's mind. :(

~~~

Here are just a few videos on the subject.  If you do a web search on "morgellon's", you can find much more information. 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNb2XhqW-7c[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-uSqZbEiJk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQa1LydOrqY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfoidtKEpqc[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 02:22:51 am
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/freedomdove2/avatars/avatar76.png)  Dove

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C455lMfHfb4[/youtube]

Well, let's see if the U.S. abides by this new statute put in place by the UN, eh?  It's been too cold for me to be outside for very long, so Idk if there have been trails laid for the past couple months or not.

~~~

BREAKING: UN Bans Chemtrails (http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/un-votes-to-ban-chemtrails/)

Posted on October 28, 2010
Geoengineering Moratorium Agreed at UN Ministerial in Japan
By ETC Group


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Risky Climate Techno-fixes Blocked

NAGOYA, Japan – In a landmark consensus decision, the 193-member UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) will close its tenth biennial meeting with a de facto moratorium on geoengineering projects and experiments. “Any private or public experimentation or adventurism intended to manipulate the planetary thermostat will be in violation of this carefully crafted UN consensus,” stated Silvia Ribeiro, Latin American Director of ETC Group.

The agreement, reached during the ministerial portion of the two-week meeting which included 110 environment ministers, asks governments to ensure that no geoengineering activities take place until risks to the environmental and biodiversity and associated social, cultural and economic impacts risks have been appropriately considered as well as the socio-economic impacts. The CBD secretariat was also instructed to report back on various geoengineering proposals and potential intergovernmental regulatory measures.

The unusually strong consensus decision builds on the 2008 moratorium on ocean fertilization. That agreement, negotiated at COP 9 in Bonn, put the brakes on a litany of failed “experiments” – both public and private – to sequester atmospheric carbon dioxide in the oceans’ depths by spreading nutrients on the sea surface. Since then, attention has turned to a range of futuristic proposals to block a percentage of solar radiation via large-scale interventions in the atmosphere, stratosphere and outer space that would alter global temperatures and precipitation patterns.

“This decision clearly places the governance of geoengineering in the United Nations where it belongs,” said ETC Group Executive Director Pat Mooney.

“This decision is a victory for common sense, and for precaution. It will not inhibit legitimate scientific research. Decisions on geoengineering cannot be made by small groups of scientists from a small group of countries that establish self-serving ‘voluntary guidelines’ on climate hacking. What little credibility such efforts may have had in some policy circles in the global North has been shattered by this decision. The UK Royal Society and its partners should cancel their Solar Radiation Management Governance Initiative and respect that the world’s governments have collectively decided that future deliberations on geoengineering should take place in the UN, where all countries have a seat at the table and where civil society can watch and influence what they are doing.”

Delegates in Nagoya have now clearly understood the potential threat that deployment – or even field testing – of geoengineering technologies poses to the protection of biodiversity. The decision was hammered out in long and difficult late night sessions of a “Friends of the chair” group, attended by ETC Group, and adopted by the Working Group 1 Plenary on 27 October 2010. The Chair of the climate and biodiversity negotiations called the final text “a highly delicate compromise.” All that remains to do now is gavel it through in the final plenary at 6 PM Friday (Nagoya time).

“The decision is not perfect,” said Neth Dano of ETC Group Philippines. “Some delegations are understandably concerned that the interim definition of geoengineering is too narrow because it does not include Carbon Capture and Storage technologies. Before the next CBD meeting, there will be ample opportunity to consider these questions in more detail. But climate techno-fixes are now firmly on the UN agenda and will lead to important debates as the 20th anniversary of the Earth Summit approaches. A change of course is essential, and geoengineering is clearly not the way forward.”


Read full text here (http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/10/28/un-votes-to-ban-chemtrails/).

I just came across a link for the full feature version of that documentary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA[/youtube]

Grand Distraction: Chemtrails

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In 1979, physicist Freeman Dyson, a well known theoretical physicist and mathematician, proposed deliberate, large-scale introduction of fine particles into the upper atmosphere to offset global warming. In the 90's, Edward Teller, a physicist and fellow of the renowned Hoover Institute, expounded on the idea of spreading fine particulates into the atmosphere as a means of reflecting roughly 1% of the sun's rays back into space.

While the government is reluctant to admit anything, there has been increasing evidence regarding operations that have been carried out within and outside the U.S., based on the recommendations and theories of Dyson and Teller.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPeSg_Q89qY[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 02:23:04 am
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Originally posted by treeshaker
What do yall think about the black-line chemtrail phenomena?

(http://www.addmypics.com/host-images/i1859_chemtrailblackline.jpg)

Shadow

(http://epod.typepad.com/.a/6a0105371bb32c970b0120a5097b17970b-750wi)

In the last image you posted the sun is on the left. The contrail is actually above the thin clouds. The angle of the sun makes a shadow of the contrail that appears to be in front of the plane because of the angle

Wanna see one on Venus

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Venus/ammavarsmall.jpg)

See? two contrails with shadows

 ???  ::)

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Oh and I almost forgot!
Do you know that I was told that there is a link between agent orange and autism. This was told to me by a Doctor.... :o

Don't know but would not surprise me... never looked into that
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 02:24:03 am
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Originally posted by treeshaker
Thanks for the reply zorgon.. That's what I thought...
Venus! How and the world did those get there? Tell me it was one of our probes and not the folks that live there.... :o
Thanks!

As far as I know we don't have any scheduled flights on Venus  :D

But I DO have the SMOKING GUN on Chemtrails... remember me mentioning Project Cloverleaf?  Well here it is...

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In 1997, Edward Teller co-authored a white paper, “Prospects for physics-based modulation of global change”, where he advocated the large-scale introduction of metal particulates into the upper atmosphere to apply an effective “sun screen”. A subsequent series of tests to create a polymarised and ionised mixture of certain metals, including aluminium, barium, thorium and selenium, among other contents, was perfected and tested in US facilities. A joint public-private operation, initially called “Cloverleaf”, was operationalised and subsequently supported by US state and federal weather modification legislature.

Edward Teller... hmmm now where have I heard THAT name before?

 ::)

anyway...

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Throughout the continental US, dozens of tanker and other aircraft are daily applying thousands of gallons of aerosol nano-particulates that serve several objectives, including the purported ability to reflect UV radiation. Similar operations are being conducted in Canada and parts of Europe.

Matt Andersson, President, Indigo Aerospace, Chicago, IL, US

Geo-engineering trial follows in US slipstream (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5c12b3c2-df8b-11e0-845a-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1YTfZkge4)

Papers by Edward Teller LLNL

Global Warming and Ice Ages:
I. Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change (http://www.thelivingmoon.com//91_PDF_Database/Geoengineering/Global_Warming_and_Ice_Ages_Teller.pdf) - [PDF][Archived]

Active Climate Stabilization: Practical Physics-Based
Approaches to Prevention of Climate Change (http://www.thelivingmoon.com//91_PDF_Database/Geoengineering/Geoengineering_Active_Climate_Stabilization_Teller_2002.pdf)
- [PDF][Archived]

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 02:25:58 am
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Originally posted by valandur
 
Lots of really good information in this video...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTxvWLrUeE8[/youtube]

 Her web site(s) contain all of the data she refers to in the vid.

http://www.californiaskywatch.com/

http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/


Here are the links to Intra flights that she mentions in the video -

links to the .pdf files that show the data that Mrs. Peterson highlights on the flight maps she received from Congressman Thompson.

Taken from - http://www.californiaskywatch.com/content/jet-trails

25F 2003 FAA Commercial Jet Flights Arriving Bay Area Airports July 17 2003 FAA Flight Records Page 6.pdf (http://www.californiaskywatch.com/sites/default/files/file/pdfs/25F_2003_FAA_Commercial_Jet_Flights_Arriving_Bay_Area_Airports_July_17_2003_FAA_Flight_Records_Page_6.pdf)

25F 2003 FAA Commercial Jet Flights Arriving Leaving Area Airports Intraflights July 17 2003 FAA Flight Map Page 5.pdf (http://www.californiaskywatch.com/sites/default/files/file/pdfs/25F_2003_FAA_Commercial_Jet_Flights_Arriving_Leaving_Area_Airports_Intraflights_July_17_2003_FAA_Flight_Map_Page_5.pdf)

25F 2003 FAA Commercial Jet Flights Departing Bay Area Airports July 17 2003 FAA Flight Map Page 7.pdf (http://www.californiaskywatch.com/sites/default/files/file/pdfs/25F_2003_FAA_Commercial_Jet_Flights_Departing_Bay_Area_Airports_July_17_2003_FAA_Flight_Map_Page_7.pdf)

25F 2003 FAA Commercial Jet Flights Yellow Shows Intra Flights July 17 2003 FAA Map Page 4.pdf (http://www.californiaskywatch.com/sites/default/files/file/pdfs/25F_2003_FAA_Commercial_Jet_Flights_Yellow_Shows_Intra_Flights_July_17_2003_FAA_Map_Page_4.pdf)



Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on October 03, 2011, 11:59:44 am
 :o There are over 500 PDF documents at that site  :o
All Archived now :D - [PDF][Archived]

That site needs a detailed search and study. An awesome resource on contrails vs chemtrails

From the first document I picked at random... well okay it was the first one in the list and had NASA in it :P

25 1 2005 NASA 8 Persistent Jet Contrails Newsletter 2005 Page 8.pdf (http://www.californiaskywatch.com/sites/default/files/file/pdfs/25_1_2005_NASA_8_Persistent_Jet_Contrails_Newsletter_2005_Page_8.pdf)

I find this url address (yet another NASA odd url for the archives :D )

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/

(http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/images/contrail_header.jpg)

So NASA is going to educate us about contrails  8)

 ::)

They have some nice public domain photos though :D

(http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/contrails/pers_sp/pers_sp3.jpg)
Photo by Ralph McConnell in Hertford, NC, Feb. 20, 2004 looking toward the northeast. Submitted by Aileen Seshun.

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Multiple Persistent Spreading Contrails
This is a fairly common sight on the East Coast, where lots and lots of airplanes fly between the major cities of the Eastern Seaboard. However this photo captures a wonderful display of these contrails, showing them at various stages of "spreading".

(http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/contrails/pers_sp/pers_sp4.jpg)
Photo by Dr. Paul Filmer, Feb. 20, 2004.

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View from the Air
On the same day and in the same area as above, here is a view from the air. This is taken on a southbound flight over North Carolina at 9:45 am on Feb. 20, 2004. From this perspective, one can see the large number of contrails from the morning's air traffic being carried slowly eastward over the Atlantic Ocean by the prevailing winds.

(http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/contrails/pers_sp/pers_sp5.jpg)

Thanks to Didier for contributing this photo.

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Criss-crossing contrails

This photo shows a series of contrails creating a cross-hatch pattern across the sky. It was taken in spring 2004 near the town of Chartres, France. This is not too far from Paris.

Contrails - Persistent Spreading - NASA (http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/contrails/contrails-persistent-spreading.html)

Thanks NASA - nice pics :D
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: ProtplasmicTraveler on October 03, 2011, 01:59:25 pm
One of the most eye opening things I ever have come across was a collection of official documents of the State of Pennsylvania published by Samuel Hazard the State's official registrar in 1848.

As part of William Penn's Great Law authored shortly after his arrival to govern the proprietary colony bearing his name that the King of England had rewarded him with, he decreed that all acts of and pertaining to government had to be recorded. This collection of documents included those that predated Penn's arrival in the colonies and basically outlined the history of the Eastern Seaboard of the United States from the time where European settlers numbered less than a 1,000.

Many of the documents were in a state of decay when Hazard decided to publish and transpose them all.

Among them were accounts of early Cholera outbreaks that had decimated and wiped out some entire European settlements while other European settlements nearby were left unscathed by the outbreaks.

Trying to determine why some didn't suffer the illness while others did based on some common identifiable external circumstance led the to the discovery that coal was used as a primary heating fuel in the villages that didn't suffer cholera outbreaks while wood was used as the primary heating fuel in the villages that were wiped out by the disease.

The physicians of the day concluded that coal the smoke from the burning coal had changed the atmosphere in a way that eliminated the cholera bacteria preventing the disease from spreading in the process.

This led to Penn and the government selecting coal as the fuel of choice in the colony and the birth of the American coal industry.

So the fact is that altering the atmosphere deliberately to achieve a goal in this case the elimination of cholera outbreaks is something that the government will do.

What isn't so certain is what chemical trails from jet planes are meant to accomplish. The presumption is its likely something bad but it should be considered also that it actually have some benefit like the burning of coal was believed to have had.

While I wouldn't place a wager leaning either way, I would bet that they are deliberately changing the atmosphere for some reason with the chemical trails left by some jets.

The possibility that they might and might be doing it secretly becomes a lot more plausible as you delve deeper into the little known portions of documented history that don't make the school textbooks or encyclopedias.

If more people became generally aware of just what government is truly capable of through becoming better aware of just what it's done in the past, demanding accountability and disclosure regarding such things would become a lot easier.

As long as they can divide the population with naysayers who ignorantly dismiss things out of hand based on some misguided presumption we don't have much of a chance.

Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: burntheships on December 05, 2011, 09:37:17 am
So, another group of people reporting high levels of barium, aluminum oxide, and other salts.  :o

Where is all of this contaminant coming from if not from geoengineering?


Suffolk Co. NY To Hear Proposal To Ban Chemtrails


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On Dec. 6, New York’s Suffolk County government will hold a public hearing on a proposal to ban aerial spraying of aluminum oxide, barium, sulfur, and other salts into the air over the county without first filing an Environmental Impact Statement with and receiving approval from the county’s Department of Health Services, Division of Environmental Quality.


Exempted from the proposed ban are aerosol spraying operations for agriculture, and for lyme disease, Eastern equine encephalitis (EEE), West Nile virus (WNV), and other disease vector control operations.

The hearing will be held at the Riverhead Legislative Auditorium, Evans K. Griffing Building, 300 Center Drive in Riverhead, NY at 2:30 pm.........


..........“If this proposal becomes law in Suffolk County, Long Island, it would be the first in the nation. It would be a starting point for others to follow,” said LISW in a press release.

“Eventually, our governments would have to investigate why our trees are dying in record numbers; why our waters contain toxic levels of aluminum, barium and strontium; why 90% of us are vitamin D deficient; why our crops are failing; and where all of this crazy weather is coming from.”

Cindy Pikoulas of LISW spoke with New York Sky Watch radio on Nov. 20, when she advised that tree samples from Suffolk show high levels of barium, strontium and aluminum. She is asking Long Islanders to have their water and trees tested for these chemicals in order to build a body of evidence that would spur investigations by health and environment authorities.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27866

Quote
Below is the full text of Suffolk’s proposed legislation: WHEREAS, there was duly presented and introduced to this County Legislature at a meeting held on [December 6], 2011, a proposed local law entitled, "A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT AIR QUALITY IN SUFFOLK COUNTY" now, therefore, be it           

RESOLVED, that said local law be enacted in form as follows:                       

LOCAL LAW NO. _____-2011, SUFFOLK COUNTY, NEW YORK

A LOCAL LAW TO PROTECT AIR QUALITY IN SUFFOLK COUNTY                         


BE IT ENACTED BY THE COUNTY LEGISLATURE OF THE COUNTY OF SUFFOLK, as follows:

Section 1.  Legislative Intent.

This Legislature hereby finds and determines that Suffolk County is a leader in environmental protection and has several programs to protect soil and groundwater from contamination.                         

This Legislature also finds and determines that air pollution is another environmental issue that can impact the health and safety of County residents and may also contaminate soil and groundwater.                         

This Legislature further finds and determines that concerns have been raised that business and government entities may be discharging polluting chemicals, including barium, sulfur, salts, and aluminum oxide, into the air, which may impact weather and other environmental elements.                         

This Legislature finds that such particulates eventually fall from the atmosphere, exposing the public to these air pollutants and, upon landing, may contaminate soil and water.                                               

This Legislature determines that County residents may be exposed to these chemicals while they are in the atmosphere, which can cause respiratory and other health problems.                         

 This Legislature also finds that, to protect County residents from potential harm, any person who plans to discharge these chemicals into the airspace over Suffolk County should first file an Environmental Impact Statement with and receive approval from the Department of Health Services, Division of Environmental Quality.                         

Therefore, the purpose of this law is to require any person who plans to discharge sulfur, barium, salts or aluminum oxide into the airspace above the County of Suffolk to file a complete Environmental Impact Statement with the County prior to taking such action.

Section 2.  Definitions.   

As used in this law, the following terms shall have the meanings indicated: “PERSON” shall mean any natural person, individual, corporation, unincorporated association, proprietorship, firm, partnership, joint venture, joint stock association, or other entity or business of any kind.

Section 3.  Requirements. 

Any person who plans to discharge sulfur, barium, salts or aluminum oxide into the airspace above the County of Suffolk must file a completed environmental impact form, as established in Section 4 of this law, with the Suffolk County Department of Health Services, Division of Environmental Quality and with the Clerk of the Suffolk County Legislature and receive the approval of the Division of Environmental Quality prior to engaging in such discharge.

Section 4.  Form Established.   

The Department of Health Services, Division of Environmental Quality is hereby authorized, empowered and directed to develop an environmental impact form to be used by persons wishing to discharge sulfur, barium, salts or aluminum oxide into the airspace above the County of Suffolk.  Such form shall require applicants to detail the nature and purpose of their proposed discharge and any potential environmental and/or public health impacts that may result from such discharge.

Section 5.  Exemption.

The requirements set forth in this law shall not apply to any person engaging in aerosol spraying for agricultural or vector control purposes.

Section 6.  Penalties.

A.  Any person who violates any provision of this law shall be liable for a civil penalty of up to $2,500 for an initial violation, with a fine of $5,000 for each subsequent violation.

B.  Any civil penalty may only be assessed by the Commissioner of Health Services following a hearing and opportunity for an alleged violator to be heard.

Section 7.  Rules and Regulations.

The Commissioner of the County Department of Health Services is hereby authorized and empowered to issue and promulgate such rules and regulations as he or she deems necessary to implement and carry out the provisions of this law. Section 8.  Applicability.                         

This law shall apply to all actions occurring on or after the effective date of this law.

Section 9.  Severability.

If any clause, sentence, paragraph, subdivision, section, or part of this law or the application thereof to any person, individual, corporation, firm, partnership, entity, or circumstance shall be adjudged by any court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid or unconstitutional, such order or judgment shall not affect, impair, or invalidate the remainder thereof, but shall be confined in its operation to the clause, sentence, paragraph, subdivision, section, or part of this law, or in its application to the person, individual, corporation, firm, partnership, entity, or circumstance directly involved in the controversy in which such order or judgment shall be rendered.

Section 10.  SEQRA Determination.

This Legislature, being the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) lead agency, hereby finds and determines that this law constitutes a Type II action pursuant to Section 617.5(c)(20), (21), and/or (27) of Title 6 of the NEW YORK CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS (6 NYCRR) and within the meaning of Section 8-0109(2) of the NEW YORK ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW as a promulgation of regulations, rules, policies, procedures, and legislative decisions in connection with continuing agency administration, management and information collection.  The Suffolk County Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) is hereby directed to circulate any appropriate SEQRA notices of determination of non-applicability or non-significance in accordance with this law.

Section 11.  Effective Date.

This law shall take effect immediately upon filing in the Office of the Secretary of State.   
 
 
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: burntheships on December 05, 2011, 10:01:13 am
  Some other things to consider...
Are people in the US vitamin D deficient? I really dont know, is this on the rise?



11 News Special Report: Deadly Contrails in the Sky?

http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/11_News_Special_Report_Deadly_Contrails_in_the_Sky_134296918.html

Quote
A controversial theory is gaining popularity-- a theory that has some saying those contrails are the government using the sky as their own personal chemistry experiment; an experiment that some fear is dangerous.

The technical term is Geo-engineering.

"The plans to put chemicals into the atmosphere will pollute our air, our water and our soil."

President of the Agriculture Defense Coalition Rosalind Peterson says chemicals are being sprayed into the air via jet planes, all in an attempt to combat global warming.

"They’re changing our climate and they're reducing the amount of sunlight that's reaching the earth,” says Peterson.........


........Peterson says because of geo-engineering, less direct sunlight makes its way into the atmosphere causing massive deficiencies of Vitamin D among humans.

She says rickets and other childhood diseases are on the rise as a result of the lack of Vitamin D.

All government agencies deny the existence of chemical trails.

 
 
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Phedre on September 09, 2012, 12:54:31 pm

I am posting this in this topic thread because it has a lot of good information in that I would hate to see go "away".

We were supposed to have high winds and blowing dirt coming. But has not really materialized yet.  Last night about 6:30 P.M. there where about 5 planes in the sky at once, all at different altitudes, which is good because they where "criss crossing" each other.

What I did see is big white planes, with some sort of apparatus attracted to the tail section that the "trails" where coming out of.  Another thing that I have noticed, that these "jet" planes make absolutely NO noise and they are quite low. All I had where some cheap binoculars and I don't own a camera, (I am rather "tecky" backward). Is the no "NOISE" thing well known? We had a "drone" come over a couple of times and it was "loud". I also might add I live in the northwest in "Puck-Huddle" town.  About 200 miles from any major airport. And we have never been on any-ones flight plan until the trails started years ago.  I also might add, that we have a "nosebleed epidemic going on here, including me! :o
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on February 13, 2013, 01:20:54 pm
Do you remember when...

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(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/557618_558633417489299_350064417_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/600797_558653200820654_89401300_n.jpg)

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on February 13, 2013, 01:22:26 pm
Chemtrails- FBI Former Chief Ted Gunderson Tells TRUTH!!

[youtube]UxKcn4_mR2s[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on February 14, 2013, 04:14:23 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDGY721CMAI6n9b.jpg)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Quality on February 14, 2013, 04:32:44 pm
i haven't read this whole thread, i just came across it now, but chemtrails are out there for sure.
they are all over the area of new jersey that i live in, and being sprayed almost everyday.
they are fairly easy to spot since regular airplanes fly close to the chemtrail jets, at the same time, so i can distinguish between the two.
all you need to do is look up in the sky and question lol.
not that complex.
i also noticed that the chemtrail jets fly towards the sun when they are being sprayed.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on June 18, 2013, 02:58:05 am
Amazing Footage of WWII Chemtrail Experiments

[youtube]TO89KAJGkL8#![/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 25, 2013, 03:41:40 pm
Well then.  We have THIS:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_mT5Q0ovbM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on August 06, 2013, 04:27:51 pm
Well, according to THIS guy, the answer is, "REAL."

[youtube]QYEwdC6FQZg[/youtube]
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on August 15, 2013, 09:51:55 pm
From:

Kathy Oliver
12 hours ago
Chem trails? I've never seen 15+ of these things in the sky all at once. And more are coming. They are not heading to our air force base or airport. (5 photos)


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(https://sphotos-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q77/s720x720/1173714_1408847332661580_1661651880_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q77/s720x720/1173669_1408847342661579_448250854_n.jpg)

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 17, 2013, 02:18:47 am
For Phage :D

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on September 17, 2013, 04:02:29 am
  Did someone say Phage?
   Here he is on his way to his weekly ATS fitness assessment.
    Well you know if the body aint fit, the mind cant be ;D

(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/phage_zpscb8f3277.png)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 03:33:27 pm
ZOMG!!!! CHEMTRAILS!!!!

(https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/1240161_207155452794339_705389489_n.jpg)

Well technically since these are trails of chemically colored smoke they ARE real Chemtrails :D

Here is another one for Phage to explain :D

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: noradwopr on December 22, 2013, 05:17:29 pm
I predict that "Snowden" will become a verb and adjective in the lexicon of the English language, much like "Google"   :P

[youtube]2RAZFjZnnrA[/youtube]

"Snowden Uncovers" Shocking Truth Behind Chemtrails Fema Region Three - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RAZFjZnnrA)

Published on Oct 19, 2013
If this program were to stop, the scientists behind it strongly believe that within just one year the North American climate would spiral out of control, and crop failures would lead to a series of devastating famines that would quickly depopulate urban centers.

Thank You Susan Duclos
http://www.youtube.com/user/Spreeeziee

The first link provided used is sourced from a known satire site "The Internet Chronicle".
http://worldtruth.tv/snowden-uncovers...

The American Dust Bowl
http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/...

20 Signs That A Horrific Global Food Crisis Is Coming
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/ar...
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on December 23, 2013, 04:01:33 am
(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1535375_1435594859990434_831888649_n.png)


Chronic barium intoxication disrupts sulphated proteoglycan synthesis: a hypothesis for the origins of multiple sclerosis
http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(04)00022-2/fulltext

Full PDF here
http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/CausalSpecific/BariumMSHypothesis.pdf
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: micjer on April 08, 2014, 06:26:25 am
IN 1949 the Herald-Journal reported on a curious case of acid rain.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/34pcgu0.jpg)
[size=48]"The plane let out a small cloud which soon grew into a large cloud, and then the tiny drops of rain began to fall,"[/size]


    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SFOYbPikdlgC&dat=19490904&printsec=frontpage&hl=en (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=SFOYbPikdlgC&dat=19490904&printsec=frontpage&hl=en)
(top of page 2)

Bernard Vonnegut, Kurt Vonnegut's brother, was working on cloud seeding, at the same time, in the same area.

    In 1945, Vonnegut went to work at the General Electric Research Laboratory in Schenectady, New York. It was there, on November 14, 1946, that he discovered that silver iodide could be used as a nucleating agent to seed clouds. Seeding clouds involves inserting large quantities of a nucleating agent into clouds to facilitate the formation of ice crystals. The intent of this process is to cause the clouds to produce rain or snow. Rain- and snow-making companies still use silver iodide as a nucleating agent in seeding clouds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Vonnegut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Vonnegut)

Kurt, who also worked at GE, was also friends with Irving Langmuir, who is known as the high priest of scientific rainmaking.

    According to author Kurt Vonnegut, Langmuir was the inspiration for his fictional scientist Dr. Felix Hoenikker in the novel Cat's Cradle. The character's invention of ice-nine eventually destroyed the world. Langmuir had worked with Vonnegut's brother, Bernard Vonnegut

One might ask why General Electric would be interested in cloud seeding, Most of their electricity was being produced by hydroelectric dams, and they thought if they could cause it to rain more over the waterways feeding their dams, they could produce more electricity, and make MORE MONEY.

In 1950, Langmuir sounded the alarm.

    Dr. Irving Langmuir, high priest of scientific rainmaking, sounded a solemn warning last week: those who sow too many rainstorms may reap nothing but droughts. Speaking at the School of Mines in drought-threatened New Mexico, Langmuir denounced the commercial rainmakers, many of them woefully ignorant of the art, who are seeding the atmosphere with silver iodide throughout the dry Southwest. "Some of them," he said, "are using hundreds of thousands of times too much. No more than one milligram [.000035 oz] of silver iodide should be used for every cubic mile of air.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,812703,00.html#ixzz2Tt7q2vxu (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,812703,00.html#ixzz2Tt7q2vxu)

One can see the power of silver iodide in the air. One milligram for every cubic mile of atmosphere. Langmuir went on to give an even more sinister explanation.
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    After the experiments of G.E.’s Research Laboratory, there was a feeling that humanity might finally be able to control one of the greatest variables of life on earth. And, as Cold War tensions heightened, weather control was seen by the United States as a potential weapon that could be even more devastating than nuclear warfare.

Dr. Irving Langmuir, pioneer in “rainmaking,” said the government should seize on the phenomenon of weather control as it did on atomic energy when Albert Einstein told the late President Roosevelt in 1939 of the potential power of an atom-splitting weapon.

“In the amount of energy liberated, the effect of 30 milligrams of silver iodide [used to seed clouds] under optimum conditions equals that of one atomic bomb,” Langmuir said.

An Associated Press article by science reporter Frank Carey, which ran in the July 6, 1954 edition of Minnesota’s Brainerd Daily Dispatch, sought to explain why weather control would offer a unique strategic advantage to the United States:

    It may someday be possible to cause torrents of rain over Russia by seeding clouds moving toward the Soviet Union.

    Or it may be possible — if an opposite effect is desired — to cause destructive droughts which dry up food crops by “overseeding” those same clouds.

    And fortunately for the United States, Russia could do little to retaliate because most weather moves from west to east.


http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/paleofuture/2011/12/weather-control-as-a-cold-war-weapon/ (http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/paleofuture/2011/12/weather-control-as-a-cold-war-weapon/)
CU of Boulder Colorado has been deeply involved in cloud seeding 'experiments.

    “Essentially we cannot tell the difference between a snowflake that has come from a silver iodide crystal and a snowflake from a natural ice crystal”-Larry Hjermstad
    Although there might be an increase in precipitation from tests, the tested snowfall might not even test positive for Silver Iodide in targeted areas, data is hard to quantify, making cloud seeding an arguable technique. Producing more snow in a warmer climate has many different outcomes in feedback loops that tie in snowmelt, warming temperatures, Pine Beetles, ice-albedo relations, and disrupting these could have more of an effect than anyone could imagine just like the burning of fossil fuels has shown.
    Geoengineerists have been working to inject aerosols into the stratosphere to control tropospheric pollution. This warm cloud seeding technique would enhance cloud albedo. There are negative and positive effects to this in that acid rain can be created and the sulfur cycle would be disturbed, but increased cloud coverage would permit cooler temperatures
    atoc.colorado.edu/~toohey/seeding.pdf

In 1990-1991, the US Air Force Academy published a document, which was a lab manual, called Chemtrails.
The manual includes an entire section on acid rain.
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/03/31/confirmed-the-word-chemtrails-first-published-by-the-air-force-academy-in-1990/ (http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/03/31/confirmed-the-word-chemtrails-first-published-by-the-air-force-academy-in-1990/)
This is not made up. I know, because there are only two known examples of this document on microfiche, and I have the other one. I obtained it from the Alamosa University Library under and interlibrary loan. The librarian gave me the microfiche, saying I didn't have to return it. I have it in a safe place...I hadn't transferred it to pdf yet, so I was glad to see that another person had found a second copy, and it's available free in a pdf download on the chemtrailplanet website I linked too.
Silver Iodide is amazing, and, scary stuff. Langmuir estimated that 200lbs could cover the entire United Stated. Suspended in acetone, when burned off, 1 gram produces 600,000,000,000,000 (600 trillion) particles, each one capable of attracting a water molecule to it, and producing a raindrop. Problem is, Silver never disipates. Bury a silver spoon in the ground, it will still be there in 1000 yrs. It's highly toxic to aquatic environments, deadly to mammals and humans if inhaled in the nanoparticle form.

    Silver concentrations in biota were greater in organisms near sewage outfalls, electroplating plants, mine wastes, and silver-iodide seeded areas than in conspecifics from more distant sites.
    Precipitation, ng/L
    From seeding clouds with silver iodide
    Usually 10-300; Max. 4,500

    From non-seeded clouds
    Usually 0.0-20; Max. 216

    Maximum concentrations of total silver recorded in field collections of living organisms (Table 5), in milligrams silver per kilogram dry weight, were 1.5 in liver of marine mammals, 2 in liver and 6 in bone of trout from ecosystems receiving precipitation from silver-iodide seeded clouds,.
    Signs of chronic silver ion intoxication in tested birds and mammals included cardiac enlargement, vascular hypertension, hepatic necrosis, anemia, lowered immunological activity, altered membrane permeability, kidney pathology, enzyme inhibition, growth retardation, and a shortened life span (Smith and Carson 1977; Freeman 1979; Fowler and Nordberg 1986; PHS 1990).
    http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/infobase/eisler/CHR_32_Silver.pdf (http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/infobase/eisler/CHR_32_Silver.pdf)

When silver iodide, suspended in acetone, is burned, it is released in a white smoke.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/16axjjq.jpg)
So, I have shown that an aircraft would have to carry relatively little silver iodide to create massive chemtrails.
But how are they delivering it. Well, around 1997, this weird cone showed started showing up on aircraft engines.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/33oirtt.jpg)


When I was in the Navy, I was an aviation mechanic, worked on several types of jets. Never had I seen this hollow cone in the middle. They are introducing silver iodide into the exhaust plume through this hollow cone.
One other thing if you've read this far. Silver Iodide is produced by combining Potassium Iodide, and Silver Nitrate. Potassium Iodide, is the same thing given in Nuclear accidents to block the thyroid. We currently have a thyroid disease epidemic.

    On a global scale, a staggering 200 million people have problems with their thyroid glands, with over 50 percent remaining undiagnosed. In the US alone, the instance of thyroid disease is running close to epidemic levels and equally as worrying is the number of un-diagnosed or mis-diagnosed case
    When it functions as it should, the thyroid will produce T3 and T4 at a 20% – 80% ratio. An under-production of these hormones will slow down the body’s metabolism, causing Hypothyroidism. Common symptoms of this condition are weight-gain despite eating sensibly, feeling cold, fatigue, depression and possibly increased blood pressure and cholesterol levels.

What is known to cause major thyroid problems??

    Heavy metal poisoning (as with mercury, lead, arsenic, and cadmium) of the thyroid can also lead to hypothyroidism; chemicals and pesticides can also be a factor.
    http://www.personalhealthconnections.com/2011/thyroid-disease-why-this-epidemic/ (http://www.personalhealthconnections.com/2011/thyroid-disease-why-this-epidemic/)

Silver, is a heavy metal! So, are American just lazy, and getting fat on eating too many cheeseburgers, or are we being poisoned, with thyroid gland blocking chemicals. I suggest if you've read this far, and don't choose the latter, you might be working for the man


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245890
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: micjer on April 08, 2014, 06:28:33 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDF_dAuZXnM#t=30

[youtube]xDF_dAuZXnM[/youtube]



Environmental Scientists Eugene Franklin Mallove, Juventina Villa Mojica and Dorothy Stang murdered after releasing lab test results linking chemtrails to the mass death of fish, plant and animal life

Published on Jul 24, 2013
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: micjer on April 08, 2014, 07:35:14 am
[youtube]9-f-3fWh5mA[/youtube]

Former FBI Chief Admits Chemtrails Are Real - And Then He Is Poisoned And Dies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-f-3fWh5mA#t=94
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on April 08, 2014, 08:22:09 am
The OP might as well have not asked the question and just stated the fact  8)   :D  ;)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 24, 2014, 06:58:00 pm
Nothing to see here... please move along...

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10247333_786946567990328_1171661839822553025_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: rdunk on April 24, 2014, 07:16:19 pm
Nothing to see here... please move along...

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10247333_786946567990328_1171661839822553025_n.jpg)

More likely simply photo manipulation, with high intensity cosmic streaks! Move along!  :)  (or daytime fireworks)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: The Seeker on April 24, 2014, 07:19:39 pm
I have seen the grid patterns like this too many times over Atlanta... not fireworks, not cosmic streaks, but have watched the planes lay them out over the course of a day...

nice pic, Z... 8)


seeker
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 24, 2014, 08:10:56 pm
Voodoo hoodoo. God's tic tac toe!
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: burntheships on April 24, 2014, 09:01:11 pm
Very pronounced grid pattern....over the mountains,
and the valley below. I would guess there are few
people in that area....so wonder what those
trails are for. Not only that some of them
have a contrail with a certain pattern that
seemingly demonstrates a certain type of craft.

Hmmm......

Yah...must be an illusion or just "persistant contrails".

 ;D
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 24, 2014, 09:03:55 pm
Very pronounced grid pattern....over the mountains,
and the valley below. I would guess there are few
people in that area....so wonder what those
trails are for.

Sorry forgot to mention that picture was taken over Yosemite National Park
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: rdunk on April 24, 2014, 09:26:07 pm
What we see in the photos could possibly be referred to as Atmospheric Fracking" - that would be the process of separating certain things from other things, for the purpose of replenishing the hole in the atmosphere, or for increasing the ice in the Arctic. Or actually Atmospheric Fracking just might be for the necessity of population control, or it could be for the purpose of the "climate change" necessary to accommodate Alien visitors, after disclosure! :)

The why's on this would be like the Malaysian Flt 370~~~~~~~~~~only "the Shadow" knows!
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: burntheships on April 24, 2014, 09:53:29 pm
Sorry forgot to mention that picture was taken over Yosemite National Park

Ah, well maybe this is the best they have against
the Hantavirus?  8)

Maybe its just a photo shoot for Heritage Magazine or
something...you know to make all of the contrails/chemtrails
look normal.

What ever it is, rest assured its for your own benefit...
muwhahahaha.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: sky otter on April 25, 2014, 04:19:37 am



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1j58Y6B0s[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1j58Y6B0s

NASA Expert: Chemtrails are Real and Rogue Geoengineers Could Blackmail

Published on Apr 22, 2014

Droughts, famine, chemtrails and the global game of risk: geoengineering is real, and inevitable part of the future, when science tries to orchestrate nature in the name of taming climate change, while experts argue over who will make the rules in the global governance of weather modification and geoengineering. Could a rogue billionaire tinker with the delicate balance of our Earth? Might a mad scientist even "weaponize" weather control to wield power over the planet? Everything is possible, warns a NASA Jet Propulsion Labs expert. Chemtrails and geoengineering are no longer the things of conspiratorial speculation or retro science fiction -- they are the scenarios shaping the world to come as science contemplates how far is too far for man to go in the name of a global environmental crisis?

Watch the entire NASA JPL presentation here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29293171

Chemtrails? Watch This! Then Try to Deny It
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6T41...

NASA Admits To Chemtrails As They Propose Spraying Stratospheric Aerosols Into Earths Atmosphere
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2...

Scientists: "Exclusive Club" To Assume Command Of Global Geoengineering
http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-we...

CIA co-sponsoring geoengineering study to look at reversing global warming options
http://phys.org/news/2013-07-cia-co-s...


Scientists: "Exclusive Club" To Assume Command Of Global Geoengineering
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29293171

Unilateral Geoengineering Non-technical Briefing Notes for a Workshop - At the Council on Foreign Relations Washington DC, May 05, 2008
http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/...

World's biggest geoengineering experiment 'violates' UN rules
http://www.theguardian.com/environmen...
Government Response to the House of Commons
Science and Technology Committee 5
Report of Session 2009-10:
The Regulation of Geoengineering

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...

Strategic incentives for climate
geoengineering coalitions to exclude
broad participation

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8...

Scientists: "Exclusive Club" To Assume Command Of Global Geoengineering
http://explosivereports.com/2013/03/0...

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Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on April 25, 2014, 03:35:41 pm
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/simp_zps088cbe75.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/simp_zps088cbe75.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: 1967sander on April 25, 2014, 03:42:20 pm
Real.

Spraying certain chemicals helps to improve the transport of radar waves. It therfore helps radar detection.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on April 28, 2014, 10:56:18 am
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM

But, but...  Contrails form like that all the time at airports...right?   ::)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on April 28, 2014, 11:08:51 am


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1j58Y6B0s[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X1j58Y6B0s

So They gave up trying to convince Us that there is no such thing as chemtrails, and are now trying to get Us to believe this chemical softkill is "for Our own good."  The line about "getting a handle on CO2" told Me right there that the whole line is BS.  CO2 increase FOLLOWS global warming.  It does not CREATE it, and it seems that CO2 helps COOL things (as well as richly feeding all the plant material on this planet).

The many facades that They throw up to hide the evil They do amazes Me.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2014, 11:24:28 am
But, but...  Contrails form like that all the time at airports...right?   ::)

Well yes they do but those are not contrails... they are aileron vortexes similar to a small tornado that can rip the wings off a small plane if you cross them First thing they teach you in flight school :D

They are there all the time but become visible in fog or very wet weather. Planes sometimes land over my house... a few minutes after they pass you can hear and feel the whoosh as the vortex hits ground

Not everything in the world is a chemtrail :P

(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10313501_284545618388655_1551779479836190924_n.jpg)

They are created at the tip of the aileron as the plane slows to land... needs very wet air to get the visible effect

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10171735_284545778388639_5120096679554032628_n.jpg)

And yes it happens ALL the time when landing in light rain or fog

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10171707_284545918388625_1620849629773280176_n.jpg)

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10173549_284546278388589_6906246957459386499_n.jpg)

(http://www.eurocontrol.int/sites/default/files/illustration/wake-vortex1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2014, 11:27:11 am
Here is a test done at Wallops Island using a crop duster and red smoke to show the vortex

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Airplane_vortex_edit.jpg)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2014, 11:32:28 am
And you can see some great effects when they come through a cloud if the wind is calm enough

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/26/article-0-13365024000005DC-440_964x573.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EAQCFuGc_2M/TFtQVuzJD9I/AAAAAAAABJ0/eIPBLfW0qBM/s400/wingtip_vortices.JPG)

Google "Wake Vortex" :D

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/26/article-0-13364EA3000005DC-11_964x582.jpg)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on April 28, 2014, 11:40:43 am
Sorry, z, if I fail to see the similarity between what You show as wingtip vorteces, and what looked like lingering chemtrails in that vid.  Do You have any vid of this phenomenon?  How long do these vortex trails last?

EDIT to add:  That last pic looks shopped.  All the equally sized, round "painted" trails do NOT look natural.  Why ALL THE SAME SIZE?
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2014, 11:48:49 am
So They gave up trying to convince Us that there is no such thing as chemtrails, and are now trying to get Us to believe this chemical softkill is "for Our own good." 

Well the principle IS for our own good... the problem is they don't have the right answer. Global warming is real, despite the record snow falls this year. Global warming is not caused by mankind but is a natural system of cycles

The movie "The Day After Tomorrow shows the EXACT mechanism of how it happens... (though exaggerated for drama)

Remember this?

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/v/t34.0-12/10261696_284586001717950_45463389_n.jpg?oh=28337c81e9e9f21d98db0a9e8e858999&oe=5360DB7B)

That is a 415,000 year record in the ice core samples from Lake Vostok.

Their idea is to try to slow down the coming of the next ice age, which is close...

I don't think they can and will likely make it worse. Imagine blocking the sun then not being able to unblock it when things cool down. NASA was even talking asteroid dust in space.  How will they get rid of it after?

That is the real danger here... the long term effect that we won't be able to undo

Here is the fill NASA video

[youtube]EsKfD0-sFzA[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsKfD0-sFzA
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 28, 2014, 12:02:20 pm
Sorry, z, if I fail to see the similarity between what You show as wingtip vorteces, and what looked like lingering chemtrails in that vid.

Well people see what they want to see :P

Quote
How long do these vortex trails last?

Depends on the density of the air, temperature and wind shear.  sometimes a few seconds  sometimes several minutes

Quote
Do You have any vid of this phenomenon?

Sure  here is s a short lived on that stays the same size... (the vortex will get bigger further back but may be invisible by then

[youtube]WXQKz91ExuY[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXQKz91ExuY


Invisible when dry... they use smoke to show the effect

[youtube]U0OkkNK1l8c[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0OkkNK1l8c

Here is one in daytime showing the same effect as the one you say is photoshopped :P

[youtube]ViKYFsN3p24[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViKYFsN3p24
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on April 29, 2014, 01:43:23 pm
What I don't understand is why these trails are NOT coming from the wing tips but roughly midway between tip and fuselage...
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: zorgon on April 29, 2014, 07:37:32 pm
What I don't understand is why these trails are NOT coming from the wing tips but roughly midway between tip and fuselage...

Because these are not created by the wingtips, but by the AILERONS (or FLAPS)

When a plane is in flight the wings provide lift... this is cause by air flowing at a different rate above the wing as below.  When you want to go up or down you tilt the aileron so that it disturbs the airflow enough to either increase lift or decrease it... In flight if you decrease it too much you will get a 'stall'  (meaning you just lost your lift because you created a region of turbulance)

Normal lift  (you can feel this in a car with your hand. If you are moving on a freeway stick your hand out the window palm down. thumb forward. Now twist your hand a little forward then back... you will feel the updraft and downdraft because your hand is a crude aileron)

If you tilt it too much up. the wind will rip your hand back and flip it... if you tilt too much down , it will be pulled down suddenly. In an airplane the first one would flip it over and the second put it into a dive.

As you til your aileron... the stream over the top combines with the stream on the bottom. Since the distance over the top is slightly longer, the combination forms a small vortex

As you increase the angle this turbulence increases

(http://virtualskies.arc.nasa.gov/aeronautics/images/StallFormation.gif)

When a plane lands it wants to lose its lift in a hurry and the flaps are put full down to slow it from 600+ MPH to a safe landing speed.  That creates the vortex

Here is an example... pilot puts it into a stall by climbing to steep... see what happenes to the airflow (using streamers

[youtube]WFcW5-1NP60[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFcW5-1NP60

The point that the vortex starta is not the wing tip bot the outside tip of the main aileron

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Tip_vortex_rollup.png)

In this picture you can see that 1) the vortex starts at the tip of the flaps and 2) the condensation on the front of the wing.  This ONLY happens when the air is wet... saturates like mist or fog. The change in air pressure cause by the plane condenses the water vapor into clouds

(http://contrailscience.com/wp-content/uploads/aerodynamic-contrail-landing.jpg)
An aerodynamic contrail on a landing jet – condensation is visible above the wing surfaces, and in the center of the vortices coming from the outside ends of the deployed flaps, but nothing from the engines. This type of contrail is seen in high local humidity, as indicated here by the misty conditions.

The reason no one takes "Chemtrail Fanatics :P seriously, is because they refuse to learn the difference between real spry trails and natural phenomena. That make them easy targets for debunkers that will focus on the explainable ones

Its the same as UFO's not everything is a UFO :D and only some are Alien Spacecraft :P

If you have ever flown an airplane... especially a small Cesna... your LIFE depends on knowing this... literally

Vortex formation

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ol1kEjVRTt4/TULasibhziI/AAAAAAAAAAU/51bChr0q0Lg/s1600/2.jpg)

(http://cdn.avweb.com/media/newspics//185888_wingtip_vortices.gif)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2014, 02:13:05 am
Over my house and the rest of Birmingham this morning, spotted twenty planes in 15 minutes... Very bleddy real!!
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s635/Sinny_Dawes/mee_zpsdf69edb4.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Sinny_Dawes/media/mee_zpsdf69edb4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: WarToad on June 06, 2014, 04:58:35 am
Contrails really bleedy real with atmospheric conditions, chemtrails are entirely different.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2014, 05:11:07 am
Contrails really bleedy real with atmospheric conditions, chemtrails are entirely different.

Bit of a non-statement there Toad..
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: micjer on June 06, 2014, 05:27:39 am
Has anyone else seen trails that are black like this?

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/blacklines_zpse6c70d83.png) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/blacklines_zpse6c70d83.png.html)
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2014, 05:28:37 am
Has anyone else seen trails that are black like this?

(http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/blacklines_zpse6c70d83.png) (http://s562.photobucket.com/user/Micjer_2009/media/blacklines_zpse6c70d83.png.html)

I've seen one or two.. I know they've been seen globally.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: WarToad on June 06, 2014, 06:22:28 am
Bit of a non-statement there Toad..

Not at all.  You were stating normal condensation contrails were chemtrails.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2014, 07:02:47 am
Not at all.  You were stating normal condensation contrails were chemtrails.

And you know that?

I've been watching them all summer, they are NOT contrails.

Are you aware of the atmospheric conditions in Brum town today? My Photo doesn't provide that information..
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Fruitbat on June 06, 2014, 09:46:18 am

Sinny, I have a book on meteorology somewhere from when I did my piloting stuff, and the met office do a free for all service for pilots which can be accessed via t'internet* to get the prevailing and predicted meteorological conditions for our area.  * well they did last time I planned a flight, but it's been a few years now, so that might have changed. Yep It still seems to be free. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/ga

And chemtrails being composed of heavier than steam molecules tend to have a distinctive "smeared" appearance that looks somewhat different to the practiced eye than straightforward gas turbine efflux. However, I'd imagine that there are different sorts of chemtrail, so I'd treat that as a guide rather than a rule.

FB.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 06, 2014, 09:49:40 am
Cheers Fruity, you been watching the skies your self?
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Fruitbat on June 06, 2014, 10:05:31 am
Not since I stopped flying.
FB.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 06, 2014, 12:25:15 pm
From:  http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/02/03/chemtrails-may-contain-bio-engineered-rfid-chips-in-the-form-of-nano-fibres-forced-transhumanism-is-here/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+pakalert+%28Pak+Alert+Press%29


Quote
Chemtrails May Contain Bio-Engineered RFID Chips in the Form of Nano-Fibres, Forced Transhumanism is Here
truther 3

This presentation by Sofia Smallstorm centres around the phenomena that is ‘Chemtrails’ the lingering, clouds of matter that seem to be filling the skies around the world these days.

There are many hypothesis surrounding this subject from mind control to a connection with HAARP and the link to transhumanism, the latter being something I believe to be one of the most important.

I watched the following video and listened to Sofia talking about the bio-engineering connection to Chemtrails and the fact that gels had reportedly rained down after chemtrail spraying, probably the most widely reported was the Joplin Tornado incident, where residents had contracted a strange fungal infection called mucormycosis, she mentioned after having these gels analysed in a laboratory, nano fibres, crystals, red blood cells and semi conductors had been found.

If we then take a look at an overview of RFID components, particularly the passive RFID chips, its conceivable to believe the Nano Fibres mentioned above coupled with the other components mentioned might actually come together to create a nano-scale passive RFID chip inside our bodies:

Overview of RFID Components:

Tags

Tags are the heart of an RFID system, because they store the information that describes the object being
tracked. Specific object information is stored in the memory of tags and is accessed via the radio signal of
RFID readers.

More at link.


[youtube]pzW5Kb8u0Og[/youtube]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzW5Kb8u0Og

This is something I would not put past the psychopaths in control.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Sinny on June 07, 2014, 09:24:05 am
There's'an independant research group called (capricorn?? Or something) they've done brilliant lab work and found nano particles and human red blood cells and a bunch of other nasties...
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 09, 2014, 09:39:15 am
Yup.  Whatever They're spraying is ugly, psychopathicly motivated stuff.  Experimenting on Us without Our knowledge or consent.
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: WhatTheHey on June 09, 2014, 12:10:12 pm
  Does anyone have or know where to obtain information on the numbers of people suffering from respiratory distress or disease. Would be interesting to see if the numbers of people with lung issues exceeds the number that would be expected with population and percentages in mind. Maybe a time line correlation between the start of chem-trail observations and an increase of respiratory illnesses can be found.
  I have not seen any such data! If it has not already been done it would be worthy of a look-see.

  COUGH! COUGH!

  WhatTheHey
Title: Re: Chemtrails: Real or Delusion?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 20, 2014, 07:14:59 am
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Air_of_danger-640.png) (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Air_of_danger-FULL.png)


Why are we modifying our global breathing space? (http://issuu.com/soco/docs/soco_august_2014/29?e=1256215%2F8731289)