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Breaking News => Breaking News => Topic started by: Eighthman on December 05, 2017, 05:45:48 pm
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-05/cost-basis-our-economy-spiraling-out-control
Our society is living on debt to prevent collapse. In an era of globalization, I don't see cartels and monopolies as the problem of why costs are draining us. Free energy coupled with things such as 3-D printing could save us. And it would bring down many of the oligarchs obstructing our democracies.
Hey, a man's gotta hope.
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With free energy, who’s going to pay the millions of people put out of work by such a thing as ‘free’. Of course nothing is free, someone’s gotta pay for it. Oh I know, all those robots I keep hearing about. Let’s make them pay for it. Then we can all live off of gobment welfare. Yes let’s all live like dogs. No thank you.
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With free energy, who’s going to pay the millions of people put out of work by such a thing as ‘free’. Of course nothing is free, someone’s gotta pay for it. Oh I know, all those robots I keep hearing about. Let’s make them pay for it. Then we can all live off of gobment welfare. Yes let’s all live like dogs. No thank you.
GOLD 8)
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Did you bother to read the link?
If costs go up endlessly, our nation ends up living like dogs, de facto. Free energy would break the chain of abject dependency on centralized government - that foments perpetual war in resource laden nations.
Imagine a nation in which nobody had to work full time to own a house or car. A nation in which millennials made their own stuff, mostly - instead of playing video games in their parent's basement.
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Yes I did, but I wasn't commenting on the link. I was commenting on what YOU posted.
"Free energy coupled with things such as 3-D printing could save us."
"Hey, a man's gotta hope"
Rock 8)
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I'm unclear about the benefits of 3D printing. As far as I know, that technology has limits. I read the link. I agree that healthcare costs are out of control. A large part of that is due to the refusal of doctors to prescribe older, less expensive, but still effective medications. But tell me, how is a 3D printed nurse going to replace me? Will it have my skills and experience? And since I don't play video games, what will I do with my time? Just wondering.
Shasta
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Healthcare costs are out of control, because government is involved. Government and socialist. There's the problem.
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Oh, please.... healthcare costs and outcomes are better in a variety of social democratic nations - and even capitalist Singapore. All with heavy government intervention.
Free energy would give us nearly free transportation and heat. AI might give us much easier and more accurate diagnosis (note: "Watson" has already beaten some human doctors in this ). 3-D parts make repair cheaper and easier. Stem cell technology might give us a nurse with a syringe instead of a 100K per operation surgeon.
And forms of 3-D printing might give us fully compatible organs. My God, guys, use a little imagination or just keep up with current trends of what's being worked on.
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My God please don’t pretend to lecture anyone about imagination. Sure there are better ways to do things, somethings work better than other things and some don’t. But anytime you get the government with its massive bureaucratic machine involved, only bad things happen. I’m not talking about other 3rd world countries or socialist regimes. I’m talking about the US Government. As a retiree on SSI, I can tell you first hand that it doesn’t work.
Rock 8)
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It works in other nations because they are not trying to fund an overextended empire - that cares more about starting wars than taking care of veterans. Yesterday, I read about a VA scandal in which they are used as a dumping ground for MD's in trouble or in danger of losing their license.
The people of Europe are far better off today than they ever were as subjects of colonial empires. Germany and Japan, in particular, are vastly better off having left aggressive militarism behind. This is part of my fascination with the rise of a China/Russia alliance that could soon tell the US "no" - as in 'you're not starting yet another pointless war".
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We spent years going over free energy and the ramifications of it with Amaterasu, and evidently you either didn't pay attention or completely missed it ::) ::)
Release of wide scale free energy would cause the collapse of society in general, since it would remove the need for anything petroleum related, or electrical in nature; as Sarge pointed out, that would put millions of people out of work, and the last time I looked, even if you didn't have to buy gasoline or pay an electric bill, you still have to buy food, and that takes money
no job, no money, bad juju. Care to explain how those people are going to survive? Think those basement dwelling millenials are going to actually get off their butts and attempt to learn how to do more than play video games, protest, and consume?
Do you also realize that the majority of your fellow citizens are strictly consumers and do not have the knowledge or skills to survive if they have to fend for themselves?
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There is a quite a large list of products made from petroleum. This list is constantly growing as new inventions are created. Here are some of the items which are made from petroleum.
Solvents Diesel fuel Motor Oil Bearing Grease
Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats
Upholstery Sweaters (that explains the itchy sweater I have at home) Boats Insecticides
Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures
Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes
Cassettes Dishwasher parts Tool Boxes Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape
CD Player (do people still have these?) Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline
Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap (that explains why soap doesn’t clean oil off your hands)
Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes
Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs
Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant
Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings
Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint
Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters
Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring
Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick
Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber
Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin
Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice
Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint
Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards
Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses
Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses (I thought they were made from glass)
Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs
Combs CD’s & DVD’s Paint Brushes Detergents
Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents
Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones
Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras
Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages
Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers
Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups
Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia
Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste (Yuck) Gasoline
Just thought this is interesting list...
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With free energy, who’s going to pay the millions of people put out of work by such a thing as ‘free’. Of course nothing is free, someone’s gotta pay for it. Oh I know, all those robots I keep hearing about. Let’s make them pay for it. Then we can all live off of gobment welfare. Yes let’s all live like dogs. No thank you.
Actually the only way it could work with free energy and bots doing all the work is that you get a minimum basic income for everyone
Sweden is working on it so is Hawaii I think they are saying a minimum of $2,500 a month. I could live quite well on that with the other things I do
On June 15, Hawaii state representative Chris Lee wrote a Reddit post about House Concurrent Resolution 89, a bill he says he introduced in order to "start a conversation about our future." According to Lee, "After much work and with the help of a few key colleagues, it passed both houses of the State Legislature unanimously."
The bill has two major provisions. First, it declares that all families in Hawaii are entitled to basic financial security. "As far as I'm told, it's the first time any state has made such a pronouncement," wrote Lee. The second provision establishes a number of government offices "to analyze our state's economy and find ways to ensure all families have basic financial security, including an evaluation of different forms of a full or partial universal basic income."
The congressman thanked "redditors" in his post, as he said the site became his first resource in considering UBI, and added a Reddit-standard TL;DR at the end: "The State of Hawaii is going to begin evaluating universal basic income."
http://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-basic-income-bill-2017-6
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I'm unclear about the benefits of 3D printing. As far as I know, that technology has limits.
Shasta
Well on Eureka they showed a 3 day printer that can make fully functional human bodies :P
But if no one had work, all those idle hands are surely the tools for many devils :P
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Actually the only way it could work with free energy and bots doing all the work is that you get a minimum basic income for everyone
Sweden is working on it so is Hawaii I think they are saying a minimum of $2,500 a month. I could live quite well on that with the other things I do
http://www.businessinsider.com/hawaii-basic-income-bill-2017-6
Dreams,,,,dreams...
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Well on Eureka they showed a 3 day printer that can make fully functional human bodies :P
But if no one had work, all those idle hands are surely the tools for many devils :P
Have you watched the new Westworld on HBO?...too many devils out there...
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I am well aware of Amaterasu's comments on free energy. The subject needs renewed attention from time to time because the future otherwise might be quite bleak - as the cost increase link I provided shows.
Again, our society wouldn't need as many jobs or as many full time jobs, at least, with free energy. Petroleum doesn't fall to zero, it's still needed for chemical feedstock. Terrorist producing nations lose income - and get forced towards a better interface with the world thru trade (Saudi Arabia).
I don't comprehend a LOT of comments made on this site. If you believe that advanced beings exist elsewhere, then they evolved to figure it all out - and we likely can also.
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If you believe that advanced beings exist elsewhere, then they evolved to figure it all out - and we likely can also.
Not necessarily, as we don't have any idea of how their biology and society evolved.
One thing I find funny is people using their imagination but only partially. Yes, it's possible that there are advanced civilisations in other planets, but why do they have to had the same problems we had/have? Our problems are a result of our biology, our environment and how our societies evolved, and thinking that all those things happened in a similar way in other planets is, to me, limiting the possibilities.
Why can't there be advanced societies of creatures that do not need food as we do, and, for example, live only of the light from their planetary system's star? You just have to use your imagination. :)
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All that's fair. I also wonder if only somewhat 'beehive' intelligent creatures survive. Collective and all that.
OTOH, a more pacific collective might be watching over us and setting limits on how much damage we can do.
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OTOH, a more pacific collective might be watching over us and setting limits on how much damage we can do.
Or a less pacific collective might be watching for the right moment to attack us.
The possibilities are endless, and, to quote an episode of "The Amazing World of Gumball", the problem with endless possibilities is that one of them is infinite boredom, so there's also the possibility that there isn't anyone else. :)
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If they were hostile, we wouldn't be here. We'd be long gone......from an easy bio-weapon. No muss, no fuss.
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They may be hostile and patient. :)