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Title: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 18, 2017, 09:27:09 am
Now that the soft coup against the President is nearly complete, I do wonder who the Ruling class will pick as the next scapegoat to Blame Everything On.

They already "did" Muslims and there are no more Mid East nations that can be cheaply invaded.  If the financial system shuts down, the Bankers will demand that attention be focused elsewhere ( as they did after 2008).  They need a domestic enemy to get rid of annoying Rights under the Constitution.

I see one "mouthpiece" for the Deep State declaring that "domestic terrorists" are the priority ( Cuomo - CNN) and a broke US can't threaten foreign nations - unless the Elite want to look pathetic ( believe it or not, I read about somebody trying to blame Charlottesville somehow on Russia !)

What are we left with?  Alt-Right? Alt-Left?  Muslim Brotherhood?  Neo-Nazis?  I see no good choices for them since everybody is a part of someone's voting base.  This is very tricky because, if Civil War was triggered, who runs most of the Federal government and the military and most states and has the most guns?  (Hint: bye, bye Democrats)   I'm sure they'll come up with something..... !
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 18, 2017, 12:15:07 pm
Your "Elite" are pathethic  8) and don't have to worry about the way they look
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 18, 2017, 12:50:37 pm
They needed 9/11, didn't they? They needed the Russians as an excuse, too.

This is realpolitik stuff, straight out of "1984".  The Elite always have a narrative to maintain control. 
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 18, 2017, 01:25:16 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/americans-are-rapidly-descending-madness

This guy makes some powerful observations.  He notes that 'something snapped' in the US collective consciousness and he also observes that people he used to respect seem to have become polarized and crazy.  I loved reading guys like Robert Reich - who seems to have lost his mind recently. 

 Folks, something has happened........ I seriously wonder if there is some specific chemical or physical cause we haven't discerned yet that is making people act this way.  It has gotten that weird. Weirder still is that no one seems especially worried about it - or seeing anything odd.

To review,  the US is threatening war all over the globe - and just added Venezuela to the list.  At the same time, the nation faces a debt limit showdown in one month before it runs out of money while Congress can't seem to agree on anything - except a near unanimous vote pushing for more war..  There is sudden anger over civil war statues ( out of nowhere).  There is extreme anger over what words the President did or didn't use about a riot.  Should I go on?

During the Middle Ages, Europeans were hit with a bizarre "illness" in which masses of people danced themselves to death. AFAIK, this is still a mystery.  What sort of madness have we fallen into now?
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: fansongecho on August 18, 2017, 05:08:41 pm

Hi Eighthman,

I found this forum by accident (I found this site by accident, I think??) I have had a interest in the esoteric and unusual since I was a teenager, I don't recall what it was exactly that set me off - I do recall reading about UFO's and Barnie and Betty Hill, Casper Howser (possibly wrong spelling), twins raised by wolves, Spring heeled Jack back when I was 13 and 14 and 15 , in the mid 70's .. (oh so last century) :-)

Dad told me to be more grounded and pay less attention.. but then 6 years later told me a ghost story that happened to him Eh? wtf??

I never shook off the fact that there was more to this perceived reality than spoken about, and a lot of things that occurred at a global level .. the Cold War, the Falklands conflict, the 1st Gulf War, Gulf War syndrome, Afghanistan, G W Bush elected, 2nd Gulf War etc etc , seemed to be staged, possibly the reporting of the above made it seem so staged, I don't know, still don't have a answer as to why, for me it all looks like it is part of some long term plan..

I have said on other threads that the whole Russia is still a MAJOR threat to "western democracy/NATO/free world" doesn't ring true on any level

I mean, look at the Russian Order or Battle, run a summary on their conventional arms..  compared to the USA/UK/France and Germany armed Forces totals.. Russia has 1 Flat Top Aircraft Carrier.. 1! (yup we have two massive brand new and totally useless flattop Aircraft carriers which I think get A/C in 2020 ?? lol .. what idiot signed off £6 Billion spending on two new Aircraft Carriers that are essentially no use to anyone?

Of course there is the nuclear arsenals that exist in the background, but really, what lunatic would consider using them??..  did someone mention Trump Vs N.Korea..??  Ok I could be hugely wrong with that one :-/

Anyway going back on topic, from this side of the pond and too me, it does look as though the reported news is that the USA Gov is looking for a fight with anyone and everyone - including their own citizens - :-/

I am 55 and as I try and make sense of what is apparently reality of the here and know, I am left feeling that this is becoming more and more bizarre ..  .. if we look at the amount of national debt that the UK and USA owe..  is it something like 1.5Trillion UK £sterling..  and $US18Trillion??   I checked what this looks like as actual visual amount, using the US debt -

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-can-you-even-visualize-what-the-us-national-debt-would-look-like-stacked-in-100-bills-2011-7?IR=T

How the F....  is any country going to repay that or even the 1.5Trillion the UK owes?? - it is never, ever going to happen IMHO

Then I looked at the simulation theory hypotheses -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSZA3NPpBs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvMlUepVgbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chfoo9NBEow&t=26s

Which all left me with even more questions than answers :-?

I did think at one time I might possibly have been in a very small majority of people who question what is really going on..  but when I talk to many associates, friends etc, it seems that many of us are in the same boat by way of thinking and observing the world around us, maybe it is that reporting of this world has become more prevalent and in actual fact nothing has changed but we receive the news faster than before ? from my perspective it seems that world and events in general are become at best weird and not explainable and at worst we are rapidly "racing the next extinction"

And bitcoin..  what the ???

Cheers all,

A bemused and perplexed Fansongecho -

PS, have a class weekend :-)









Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on August 18, 2017, 05:50:18 pm
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/americans-are-rapidly-descending-madness (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-16/americans-are-rapidly-descending-madness)

This guy makes some powerful observations.  He notes that 'something snapped' in the US collective consciousness and he also observes that people he used to respect seem to have become polarized and crazy.  I loved reading guys like Robert Reich - who seems to have lost his mind recently. 

 Folks, something has happened........ I seriously wonder if there is some specific chemical or physical cause we haven't discerned yet that is making people act this way.  It has gotten that weird. Weirder still is that no one seems especially worried about it - or seeing anything odd.

To review,  the US is threatening war all over the globe - and just added Venezuela to the list.  At the same time, the nation faces a debt limit showdown in one month before it runs out of money while Congress can't seem to agree on anything - except a near unanimous vote pushing for more war..  There is sudden anger over civil war statues ( out of nowhere).  There is extreme anger over what words the President did or didn't use about a riot.  Should I go on?

During the Middle Ages, Europeans were hit with a bizarre "illness" in which masses of people danced themselves to death. AFAIK, this is still a mystery.  What sort of madness have we fallen into now?

You have to look at the common thread, which is the media. They're making taffy, folding and rolling, stretching and pulling the truth. They're lighting fires and throwing gas on them. They're engaging in sedition/treason and should be prosecuted if specific incidents, which we know will occur in the future, can be traced back to them.

The media is the enemy of the state and its people. The really sick thing about it is they're enjoying it. They're reveling in destroying a wonderful country.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 18, 2017, 07:08:08 pm
Dilbert cartoonist has noticed this "gone crazy" situation, too

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-18/dilberts-scott-adams-explains-how-know-youre-mass-hysteria-bubble

The amoral corrupt corporate media are utter monsters. Still, I can't be sure that they alone are the originating point of this derangement.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 18, 2017, 07:30:13 pm
I also recommend this Saker article:

http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-are-pushing-the-usa-and-the-rest-of-the-world-towards-a-dangerous-crisis/

Pat Buchanan rightfully asks how far will Republicans go in capitulating to this destruction of monuments and history?
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 19, 2017, 03:32:02 am
I also recommend this Saker article:

http://thesaker.is/the-neocons-are-pushing-the-usa-and-the-rest-of-the-world-towards-a-dangerous-crisis/

Pat Buchanan rightfully asks how far will Republicans go in capitulating to this destruction of monuments and history?
They have already went too far; those individuals protesting and raising cain are the ones that need to wear the racist and bigotry label...

Instead of focusing all that energy on destructive ends,instead of crying about racial inequality, they need to focus on getting their own house in order rather than crapping in mine...

Everyone needs to get off their lazy butts, pick up the phone and call those chicken crap politicians and complain, blow up their email and twitter accounts, blast their farcebook pages, and do it every 5 minutes...

There are too many people in this country that are too lazy to do anything except whine and complain; use your power and franchise as a citizen to do something to make a difference, support those that exhibit the ideals you believe in, and actively complain and campaign both for what you want to see happen, and against what you disagree with...

Seeker
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: zorgon on August 19, 2017, 07:45:16 pm
Dilbert cartoonist has noticed this "gone crazy" situation, too

This guy...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/08/17/20170817_lib_0.png)

Was a setup performance  If you watch the video you will see him several times glancing at the camera to make sure he is on it and step up his whining  Its just an act

To see the insanity just look into the eyes  I don't understand how these people can be in power and "We the people" do NOTHING

Sen Fienstien... her hubby was involved in selling US Post office property for personal gain

LOOK at her eyes

(http://www.isthatbaloney.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/dianne-feinstein-calls-for-gun-control.jpg)

Nancy Pelosi

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bQ0SqifjNcg/THncg3RcspI/AAAAAAAAbzE/uRk-zaH-hKI/s1600/nancy-pelosi.jpg)

(https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20882597_864316040411607_2367751720049180151_n.jpg?oh=ee50069dc072685fad8e9784f95fc97c&oe=59EC3819)

Hillary

(http://www.oconnells.us/s/cc_images/cache_2429012.jpg?t=1475343614)

(http://conservative101.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/GOP-Hillary-Crazy-Eyes.png)

David Rockefeller

(http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/david-rockefeller.jpg)

George Soros

(http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/bbbd6cb88af36226ca8500d3e79faa50-2.jpg)

Many more...  These people are INSANE  yet we do NOTHING


BLM and ANTIFA riots  Police told to STAND DOWN  WHY and by WHOM?

"Nazi" protest in Virginia  Police  told to STAND DOWN  WHY and by WHOM?

Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 20, 2017, 11:03:26 am
In terms of groups, there are two which I am most inclined to blame.  The radical, repressive, politically correct Left, first and foremost; and secondly, the police.  Both groups essentially play off each other, and reciprocally provoke each other.  I am tired of Leftist antifa and black block groups roaming around smashing things at any possible opportunity, but I am equally tired of police killing people with legal impunity, and enabling inhuman, psychopathic behaviour on the part of corporations.

That is not what the police were meant for.

They were meant to protect the public.  They were meant to solve violent crime, and to assist people in emergencies.  They were not meant to serve as human shields for corporations, or prevent people seeking redress from said corporations, from obtaining justice.  Obstruction of justice is rightly considered a crime, yet apparently it is one which only civilians are liable to be punished for.  I have long been aware of the fact that the only way in which the law can function at all, is if it is the same for everyone, without exception.  This is one of the reasons why political correctness is causing so much chaos.

I don't know why a new wave of white supremacy has suddenly come out of the woodwork, but I do know from my own experience that the contemporary Left need to be shut down, and shut down hard.  The sole reason why I wanted to see Trump get into office, was because I wanted to see the Left get psychologically kicked in the face.  I am sick of vicious, authoritarian social justice warriors, I am sick of filth and sexual perversion marketed as open mindedness, and I am sick of the perpetual, relentless, utterly gutless dishonour and hypocrisy of Marxism.

I do not condone racism.  I live in a town with a large indigenous community, and I have had a single negative experience with them, which was not directed at me personally.  I do not perceive any difference in either cognitive or physical ability between differing ethnic groups.  I perceive differences in cultural contexts, yes; but not the range of ability within said contexts. 

I am not someone who agrees with the white supremacist argument that either technology or building monuments make whites or any other group superior, as at this point I think we would be a lot better off socially, if technologically we were living in the equivalent of the Stone Age.  The more technologically advanced we become, the more unhappy and indifferent we become, the less principled we become, and the worse we treat each other. 

Overall, I no longer view electronic technology as a fundamentally positive thing.  I know there will be individual accounts of how it has improved the lives of people, but I think in terms of the long term survival of the species as a whole, we would again be better off if we were living in caves.  Given the level of experience I have had with positive human interaction since first arriving in Nimbin, I think the usual claim of indigenous life as having been a nightmare, is for the most part a complete lie.

There is nothing about social media that is good.

The only people who claim otherwise, from everything I've seen, are Leftist activists; who cite its' involvements in fake political events like the Arab Spring.  I've seen people get psychologically driven to both suicide and terminal disease, as a result of their involvement with Twitter.

The single main thing that has caused me to become almost completely demoralised recently, is to realise that no matter where I might go, or what I might accomplish in life, the one thing I can not achieve, is to return to a planet without mobile phones.  No matter what I do, Google and Mark Zuckerberg and Apple and the authoritarian Communist Millennials are still going to be there.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 20, 2017, 01:15:28 pm
I fear this "racism" obsession and identity politics because it looks like a descent into tribalism.  The irony is that, if no one stops this insanity, the US ends up like Afghanistan or a Middle East nation - weak, divided, broken.

It's just astonishing - you have all these people with Ph.D's and vast experience talking as if they were on drugs or psychotic - and with no hard sense that this all comes crashing down if somebody with sense doesn't grab the reins and stop the mad rush.  Some think tank close to Kushner came up with a proposal to do a first strike on Iran and NK - like it was nothing.  Reminds me of TV/ movie writers dosing on coke in the '80's.

The American people would be begging for a military junta if they really understood where this is going.  If things are this nuts with the economy growing slightly, what happens if it crashes?
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: zorgon on August 20, 2017, 01:15:52 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phPXTWJhnYM
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 20, 2017, 01:26:28 pm
You make several good points, Petrus; The hardcore politically correct left in this country has become the root cause of all the chaos and discord

Social media like Twitter,Facebook, and propaganda machines such as National Public Radio,Cnn,and the MSM in general spill nothing but leftist propaganda and drivel

unfortunately, the snowflakes, millenials, and the majority of the Gen X'ers have been pre-programmed since pre-k with demonic socialist principles,politically correct garbage, slammed headlong with electro-technical mind garbage, and not taught how to live life

The greater majority of the population of the US would not survive 2 months if the techno world they live in came crashing down around them; they do not have the knowledge, skills, or experience to be able to live if they have to provide for themselves;

they do not know how to farm, forage, fish, hunt, build basic shelter or how to start a fire, find and/or make drinkable water, dress a wound, dress a deer,hog, cow, fish,or chicken...

as for law enforcement, too many recently discharged military filling the ranks, crooked leftist politicians calling the shots as to how to enforce the law, and a society in general that cares nothing about anything except looking out for number 1!

Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: zorgon on August 20, 2017, 08:48:50 pm
THIS I found on Craigslist yesterday  In case anyone doubts these Craigslist ads



Posted 12 days ago
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Looking for Virginia Pep Band vets to spoof the KKK rally
© craigslist - Map data © OpenStreetMap

(google map)

no pay
I'm throwing this out there to see if it has any legs. I know it's late in the game but if you've ever had a love for Charlottesville, VA then here is your mission. Don your old colors or recreate them as the case made need, find and instrument and lets spoof the KKK rally in the same way as this guy did a few years back. You know the drill...

Here is a link of what I'd love to see if you're willing to recreate it.


https://charlottesville.craigslist.org/evg/d/looking-for-virginia-pep-band/6256270716.html
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 21, 2017, 08:44:15 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/

OMG! The SUN IS RACIST ! We have proof !  The eclipse is traveling over white folks !
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on August 21, 2017, 08:49:38 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/)

OMG! The SUN IS RACIST ! We have proof !  The eclipse is traveling over white folks !

Yeah, I read that yesterday and thought it was an Onion-type article, but apparently these nutcases take it seriously.

The world has cracked in half.  :o ::)
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Somamech on August 21, 2017, 09:13:24 am
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/american-totality-eclipse-race/537318/

OMG! The SUN IS RACIST ! We have proof !  The eclipse is traveling over white folks !

It's The Alien Burka  :o
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 21, 2017, 09:56:37 am
You make several good points, Petrus; The hardcore politically correct left in this country has become the root cause of all the chaos and discord

They just expect everything done for them.  They expect the ability to live in a completely custom reality; and my main focus over the last two years has been learning, even if only incrementally, that not only is that not possible, but I shouldn't want it even if it was.

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unfortunately, the snowflakes, millenials, and the majority of the Gen X'ers have been pre-programmed since pre-k with demonic socialist principles,politically correct garbage, slammed headlong with electro-technical mind garbage, and not taught how to live life

With 3-5 large pieces of wood, and minimal kindling, I can reliably make fire now.  I normally rely on a miniature blow torch, but I know how to use a ferro rod.  I don't know much about farming, but give me clay, sufficient wheat berries, a mortar and pestle, enough wood, and a water source, and I can make basic bread.  I won't necessarily enjoy doing so very much, of course, but I could.  I've been learning recently on YouTube how to make yeast starter, as well; basically you just have to expose a sufficient amount of flour and water to the air for 24 hours, and then nurse it once a day for around the next two weeks with additional flour and water.

We have kangaroos around here, sometimes in quite large numbers, apparently.  I am not an archer, but I probably know close to enough now to make a spear in a pinch; the tricky part would be attaching the blade to the shaft.  Fighting a roo isn't something I'd be enthusiastic about either; they are literally shaped like a Tyrannosaurus Rex, believe it or not.

(http://dreamstop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/kangaroo-dreams.jpg)

(https://fthmb.tqn.com/YheqMWyrQdVsqboZ1Fe_Sr_T2mE=/400x0/about/182492703-56a256275f9b58b7d0c92a1d.jpg)

I'm six foot three, but a big adult red is about the same height, with clawed legs that are a foot long and exactly level with my intestines.  If they stand on their tail temporarily, they can disembowel you with one swipe.  It would be better to try and trap it; maybe with snares or something.  I am guessing, but I doubt you can bait them, because they only eat grass.

Making a spear would also be a surprisingly large project, mainly because I would need charcoal in order to get temperature for my initial metal bloom, and then enough to smelt it multiple times, to get out enough sulfur and silica to make it good quality.  If you don't get enough sulfur out of iron, it will be brittle and break too easily.  Getting iron bearing dirt or sand around here wouldn't be too difficult, but purifying it to any great extent would be tricky, unless I knew how to make a crucible and mixed either manganese or vanadium with it, I think it is.  I still don't really understand how people extract slag when crucible smelting; they don't do it with their hands, that's for sure.  8)

I don't post the above to brag, as much as to demonstrate that I might be Gen X, but I am slowly recovering my humanity.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Somamech on August 21, 2017, 10:19:02 am
That is rather interesting Petrus... A Kangaroo really does look like T-Rex  :)

Edit to add that I'm quite perplexed by that.  Good find  :D

Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on August 21, 2017, 10:26:33 am
That is rather interesting Petrus... A Kangaroo really does look like T-Rex  :)
It also looks like a jerboa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerboa), but that's not as impressive.  :P
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Somamech on August 21, 2017, 10:31:29 am
It also looks like a jerboa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerboa), but that's not as impressive.  :P

Actually I can see the link mate :P

Your reference looks like a Genetic Lab Disaster though  ;D  ;)

Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on August 21, 2017, 10:43:18 am
Your reference looks like a Genetic Lab Disaster though  ;D  ;)
At least it's from the same class as kangaroos, unlike the T. Rex. There are more mammals with that basic, made for hopping, shape, like the springhares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_springhare).
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 21, 2017, 11:56:39 am
At least it's from the same class as kangaroos, unlike the T. Rex. There are more mammals with that basic, made for hopping, shape, like the springhares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_springhare).

I think the kangaroo has one of the greatest anatomical shapes that I know of, Armap.  When I played *Spore,* a game where you can design your own species, my species were sentient kangaroos, more or less.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 21, 2017, 12:12:22 pm
Petrus, there are basic, tedious steps you can take to smelt iron ore with stone age tools; you can make a crucible out of different types of clay, baked several times in a fire

you char wood to make charcoal, and construct a bellows; the charcoal burns hotter and longer than wood, and you use the bellows to force oxygen into the coals, generating hotter temperatures

to remove the clinker or slag from the top of the crucible, you can either tip the pot and let it flow off, or use a rake made from fire hardened wood to pull it off
you would have to smelt it several times to approach the grade of purity you would need to make blades, and then, after shaping your blade or spearpoint, you must temper the metal to make it strong

learn from the abos before doing battle with a 'roo, they have a lot of experience  8)
I would use a sling or slingshot before I would a spear; a rock to the head will knock it's brains out from a distance and greatly lessen the chances of bodily harm to you

 8)

Seeker
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on August 21, 2017, 12:52:14 pm
Petrus, there are basic, tedious steps you can take to smelt iron ore with stone age tools; you can make a crucible out of different types of clay, baked several times in a fire

you char wood to make charcoal, and construct a bellows; the charcoal burns hotter and longer than wood, and you use the bellows to force oxygen into the coals, generating hotter temperatures

to remove the clinker or slag from the top of the crucible, you can either tip the pot and let it flow off, or use a rake made from fire hardened wood to pull it off
you would have to smelt it several times to approach the grade of purity you would need to make blades, and then, after shaping your blade or spearpoint, you must temper the metal to make it strong
Or you can use a rock, it's easier and, for most uses, good enough. :)
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 21, 2017, 07:06:17 pm
A religious principle I was once taught said that sometimes a miracle is a miracle because of when it happens.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201708221056664553-pause-navy-accident-missile-defense/

So, the US and SK are within a hair's breadth of war with NK - besides , you know, China, Russia, Venezuela, etc.  The usual war games in Korea that inflame NK are starting.  But then something utterly off the graph stupid happens to stop Any Crazed Neo Con Attempt At WW3 - because yet another US highly advanced vessel smashed into a cargo vessel.   What? Nobody on deck with binoculars?  Or just good eyesight who can yell?  And this happens again within 3 months?

The above is yet another example that something very weird and insane is happening to the US. 
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: zorgon on August 21, 2017, 08:11:18 pm
Or you can use a rock, it's easier and, for most uses, good enough. :)


How to Make a Stone Axe

(http://pad3.whstatic.com/images/thumb/2/27/Make-a-Stone-Axe-Step-18.jpg/aid656088-v4-728px-Make-a-Stone-Axe-Step-18.jpg)


http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Stone-Axe
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: zorgon on August 21, 2017, 08:14:59 pm
The above is yet another example that something very weird and insane is happening to the US.

Yes the insanity is obvious  The CAUSE is not...


Then there is THIS


North Korean ruler stands down on threat to Guam
The decision eases the immediate threat of an attack on the U.S. territory in the western Pacific


http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/14/north-korea-stands-down-on-threat-to-guam/

Not that he ever could have done it anyway :P
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 22, 2017, 06:44:10 am
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-21/back-back-us-drone-crashes-turkey-come-amidst-severe-strain-between-nato-allies

Running out of drones because of crashes.  And then we have all those F-18 crashes recently.  And the continuing mystery of why US fighter pilots can't get enough oxygen, going on for years.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 23, 2017, 11:43:55 am
you would have to smelt it several times to approach the grade of purity you would need to make blades, and then, after shaping your blade or spearpoint, you must temper the metal to make it strong

Thank you, Seeker.

I had figured that I would need to smelt it multiple times, yes; apparently there were certain things that were added to a crucible to make Wootz or Damascus steel.  They seem to have identified Vanadium as an ingredient.  There are a few blacksmith videos on YouTube which imply that making Damascus is relatively simple, but I do not believe them at all.  There is one person who I am inclined to view as legitimate, and the few hints he has given suggest that it is very complex.

Back on topic, I looked at the news this morning, and found it as depressing as usual.  I think what is bothering me most, is the fact that crap about Trump and race riots are literally all I seem to be able to find at the moment; I want to know about the positive things going on in the world.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 23, 2017, 04:03:30 pm
I would like to see a website or other source that provides a more realistic view of the coming breakdown of the US/Western world.  Yes, really bad stuff is going to happen but I doubt we return to the anything like the Stone Age.

Governments will be weak and ineffective but not non-existent.  Banks will limit withdrawals,  healthcare may degrade markedly.  Big cities will be a bad place to live.  Visit a 3rd world nation like Egypt, Central America and that will match some urban areas.  The US won't collapse like a tall pile in Jenga, it will break down in stages as money and skilled people leave various dependent groups behind.

I'm not claiming prophecy here - just trying to cope in a more rational fashion with obvious troubles coming our way. Grow your own food, know your neighbors, develop some part-time skills, stockpile prescription drugs you depend on...........and always take the opposite of whatever the government says to be true (like 'we won't raise taxes' ,  " we seek peace",  " etc)
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 23, 2017, 06:37:25 pm
I would like to see a website or other source that provides a more realistic view of the coming breakdown of the US/Western world.  Yes, really bad stuff is going to happen but I doubt we return to the anything like the Stone Age.
There are countless web sites that promote what you seek; to many of us, however, the doom and gloom you seek is not what we see as the probable future for the West 

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Governments will be weak and ineffective but not non-existent.  Banks will limit withdrawals,  healthcare may degrade markedly.  Big cities will be a bad place to live.  Visit a 3rd world nation like Egypt, Central America and that will match some urban areas.  The US won't collapse like a tall pile in Jenga, it will break down in stages as money and skilled people leave various dependent groups behind.
That is your perspective; I see large companies and corporations building new facilities here instead of moving to foreign soil; I see more and more companies hiring and the unemployment rate dropping; people need to quit whining and complaining and work for the changes they want to see; nothing in life is free except bad advice and doom porn

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I'm not claiming prophecy here - just trying to cope in a more rational fashion with obvious troubles coming our way. Grow your own food, know your neighbors, develop some part-time skills, stockpile prescription drugs you depend on...........and always take the opposite of whatever the government says to be true (like 'we won't raise taxes' ,  " we seek peace",  " etc)
The obvious troubles you speak of have always been looming on the horizon in some way, shape, or form for the last millenia, according to different people thru out that time period; today is no different than it was back then; the smartest move anyone can make is to forget about most of their modern toys and gadgets, spend some time learning to do basic life skills such as farming or simple survival skills without modern aids;

go live in the woods, mountains, or a desert area for a month with no more than what you can carry on your back; you might learn a few things...
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 23, 2017, 07:11:39 pm
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/apr/23/frank-wolf/will-entitlement-programs-and-debt-consume-us-budg/

In about 7 years, there will be no Federal tax dollars left for anything but entitlements and debt payments.  Currently, the US is threatening more war with China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, North Korea, Yemen, Syria, and undisclosed African nations. 

Fact: Empires collapse.  History says so.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 24, 2017, 04:19:07 am
http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/apr/23/frank-wolf/will-entitlement-programs-and-debt-consume-us-budg/

In about 7 years, there will be no Federal tax dollars left for anything but entitlements and debt payments.  Currently, the US is threatening more war with China, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, North Korea, Yemen, Syria, and undisclosed African nations. 

Fact: Empires collapse.  History says so.
A re-structuring of the entire system is needed; Trump is working on making changes that will eliminate some of the problems, for the fed will get more revenue with lowering tax rates and eliminating loopholes in the system

the sheer physical size of the fed needs to be reduced; that is a fact; the stimulus  to promote industry over here is already being applied, along with the removal of highly restrictive regulations that have a choke hold on business; remove the incentives that have encouraged businesses to develop and move overseas;

You and every citizen can apply simple principals that also help; when I am contemplating making a purchase, I look and see where the item was made; if it doesn't say made in the USA, unless I just absolutely have to have it, I don't buy it.

The major problem, and one that can be fixed, is to get everyone to quit sitting on their fat butts complaining and to physically do something to at least try to make changes, doesn't have to be earth shattering, for small things add up.

There have always been doom and gloom sayers thru out history; it is very rare that they are ever correct. Instead of debating how bad it is going to be, try thinking about how good it could be, and how to make it better.

Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 24, 2017, 05:24:37 am
I search desperately for metanoia and can't find much of any of it.  A turning around, a sense of 'what were we thinking?'.

Instead, it all looks like doubling down and blindly going in the same direction:  Afghanistan, sanctions, debt, legislative paralysis.....  I want to see a turning point in the US in particular or some wiser heads openly prevail. I lived thru Watergate and Vietnam and got a sense that the 'ship was righting itself'.

It seems like there's condemnation or a media shark fest at even a mention of reason or good sense.  As if logic was offensive now.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 24, 2017, 05:57:33 am
I search desperately for metanoia and can't find much of any of it.  A turning around, a sense of 'what were we thinking?'.

Instead, it all looks like doubling down and blindly going in the same direction:  Afghanistan, sanctions, debt, legislative paralysis.....  I want to see a turning point in the US in particular or some wiser heads openly prevail. I lived thru Watergate and Vietnam and got a sense that the 'ship was righting itself'.

It seems like there's condemnation or a media shark fest at even a mention of reason or good sense.  As if logic was offensive now.
  You are starting to see thru the smoke and mirrors  8) Logic is not a part of the the current mish mash of warped perspectives;

8 years of the big O being president were focused on destroying not only America but the idea that we can be anything other than what the MSM and social media decries it to be...

Over the course of the last 6 years I had 2 very intelligent but badly misguided millenials{ the company presidents son and son in law}that actually would listen to me when I would answer their questions or they wanted my opinion on matters pertaining to not only work but politics and many of the social issues of today

The net result has been that they have not only cast aside the programming from the very Left biased teachings of public school but have grasped the concept of seeing the world with open eyes and developing their own personal moral philosophy's instead of being one of the sheep, which in turn has had an impact on their circle of friends as well

Word of mouth and positive interaction with others is one of the main avenues of change on the common level; the roots of civilization is where you have to start if you wish to see the beginnings of change.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 29, 2017, 02:50:52 am
I search desperately for metanoia and can't find much of any of it.  A turning around, a sense of 'what were we thinking?'.

The two main reasons for that are hubris, and self-reinforcing feedback loops.

Empires have lifecycles, like all other things.  They are born, go through youth, adulthood, old age, and eventually die.  America is currently at that point where, even though reality has fundamentally changed from the state it was in when the country began, the people who run it will still continue to make the same (now unsuccessful) actions based on what worked in the past, because apart from anything else, they don't know any different.

Trump can not and will not substantially change anything, even if he wanted to.  America is owned by the military and the arms industry.  They are getting close to 50% of annual GDP at this point, and they are not going to give that up willingly.  They will also predictably kill anyone who attempts to force them to do so.  If the American government want the glory days back, then the smart thing to do would be to rebuild domestic civilian industry as much as possible, and stop buying everything from other people.  That won't happen though, because of the Pentagon.

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I want to see a turning point in the US in particular or some wiser heads openly prevail. I lived thru Watergate and Vietnam and got a sense that the 'ship was righting itself'.

Nixon had the sense to fall on his sword, at least politically speaking.  Trump will not; although I don't believe that any serious attempt will be made to remove or impeach him, because everyone well knows that if that is done, the rural population will explode.  The urban liberals can make whatever noise they like, but they would have less than no chance in a genuine fight with people who, unlike them, still have living memory of what it actually means to be authentically human.

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It seems like there's condemnation or a media shark fest at even a mention of reason or good sense.  As if logic was offensive now.

Millennials care about three things:-

a}  The ability to view themselves as the Gods of their own private universe, whether or not they actually are.  Millennials have been called atheistic, but it is more appropriate to call them homotheistic.  They worship themselves.

b}  The ability to indulge themselves sexually to a limitless degree, without criticism or consequence.  Any attempt to counter this will be mercilessly and relentlessly attacked.

c}  Maintaining group consensus.  As someone who has spent close to seven years on Reddit, this last point has been made particularly clear to me.  Millennials interpret any form of debate between differing opinions, no matter the level, as disharmony or discord, and will shut it down via any means available.  Millennials also can not tolerate freedom of expression in any form, because if you are free to express yourself, then you are free to express ideas which someone else might find offensive, or which might be contrary to the will of the Hive.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 29, 2017, 04:03:44 am
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Empires have lifecycles, like all other things.  They are born, go through youth, adulthood, old age, and eventually die.  America is currently at that point where, even though reality has fundamentally changed from the state it was in when the country began, the people who run it will still continue to make the same (now unsuccessful) actions based on what worked in the past, because apart from anything else, they don't know any different
The winds of change have been blowing since Jan 20th, but don't expect to see miracles; it takes time; but things have been done to make big change, starting with the recension of 75 executive orders penned by obama(which, by the way, was 80% of what has been stifling the economy for the past 8 years) by the pen of Potus Trump on the 20th; even before assuming the office, Trump convinced both Ford Motor Co and Trane Air conditioner to build their new facilities here instead of on foreign soil

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Trump can not and will not substantially change anything, even if he wanted to.  America is owned by the military and the arms industry.  They are getting close to 50% of annual GDP at this point, and they are not going to give that up willingly.  They will also predictably kill anyone who attempts to force them to do so.  If the American government want the glory days back, then the smart thing to do would be to rebuild domestic civilian industry as much as possible, and stop buying everything from other people.  That won't happen though, because of the Pentagon.

Let's look at a couple of points: first, the O admin systematically cut and decreased the American military, to the point that it is smaller than it was before the start of WW2; one of Trump's first moves was to pump badly needed $$$ into the military; contrary to popular fake news, the US military likes Mr Trump

A lot of moves have been made already to promote the rebuild of the civilian infrastructure, including removing incentives and tax breaks that actually encouraged corporations to move overseas under the premise of helping 3rd world nations to develop ( it is perfectly fine to help those countries, but not at the cost of killing your own); He has also mandated that projects in the US should and will be made using domestic materials, not imports...

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Nixon had the sense to fall on his sword, at least politically speaking.  Trump will not; although I don't believe that any serious attempt will be made to remove or impeach him, because everyone well knows that if that is done, the rural population will explode.  The urban liberals can make whatever noise they like, but they would have less than no chance in a genuine fight with people who, unlike them, still have living memory of what it actually means to be authentically human.

Nixon got caught rigging the election, so he had little choice but to exit; and yes, the greater majority of the people are behind Trump, and all hell(to the point of open rebellion) would break loose; but the left has been talking impeachment since the day of the election; how can you impeach the president if he hasn't any impeachable offenses? And yes, I am openly promoting that people like Fienstein, Pelosi, McCain, and quite a few more need to follow Harry Reid and relocate to Jurassic Park with the rest of the dinosaurs...

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Millennials care about three things:-

a}  The ability to view themselves as the Gods of their own private universe, whether or not they actually are.  Millennials have been called atheistic, but it is more appropriate to call them homotheistic.  They worship themselves.
Narcissistic is more appropriate; intense self-indulgence leads to easily falling off the cliff, since they are so busy looking at themselves they don't see the cliff's edge

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b}  The ability to indulge themselves sexually to a limitless degree, without criticism or consequence.  Any attempt to counter this will be mercilessly and relentlessly attacked.
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c}  Maintaining group consensus.  As someone who has spent close to seven years on Reddit, this last point has been made particularly clear to me.  Millennials interpret any form of debate between differing opinions, no matter the level, as disharmony or discord, and will shut it down via any means available.  Millennials also can not tolerate freedom of expression in any form, because if you are free to express yourself, then you are free to express ideas which someone else might find offensive, or which might be contrary to the will of the Hive.
The Hive mind is an appropriate description; the problem with that situation is that unless there are not open eyes and open ability to think available the hive will succumb to numerous predators
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 29, 2017, 05:09:58 am
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/permanent-adolescence-epidemic-will-destroy-america/ri20771

An excellent read.  There are those who list the USA's many advantages over others as a nation.  My contention is, when do we cease to be a nation?  Will we become a collection of mobs seeking nothing more than entitlements?

Nixon did some good things (China, EPA) and he talked about a 'Silent Majority" that preserved the nation.  I hope that aggregate still exists to save us.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 29, 2017, 09:05:31 am
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/permanent-adolescence-epidemic-will-destroy-america/ri20771

An excellent read.  There are those who list the USA's many advantages over others as a nation.  My contention is, when do we cease to be a nation?  Will we become a collection of mobs seeking nothing more than entitlements?
evidently 48% of the population is now; Hillary and Bernie and all that crowd of loo-loos were promising them the moon; it don't work that way, some one has to pay for it, no matter what

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Nixon did some good things (China, EPA) and he talked about a 'Silent Majority" that preserved the nation.  I hope that aggregate still exists to save us.
Who do you think the 52% of the voters were that elected Trump  8) The hive mentality of the millenials and snowflakes is going to be their achilles heel; when you live in an ant hill sooner or later someone or something is going to pee on it
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Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 29, 2017, 09:07:19 am
Actually, I wonder if that one passing comment is worth any thought: "hive mind".

Is there any chance that we are seeing a sort of evolution here?  Millennials becoming like bees or termites?  Or alien Grays?
Can we think of any way to distinguish this from simple mob activity?  My guess would be that they would have to build something useful, at least to themselves. Without anything positive, we default to narcissism.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 29, 2017, 01:44:12 pm
Actually, I wonder if that one passing comment is worth any thought: "hive mind".

Is there any chance that we are seeing a sort of evolution here?  Millennials becoming like bees or termites?  Or alien Grays?
Can we think of any way to distinguish this from simple mob activity?  My guess would be that they would have to build something useful, at least to themselves. Without anything positive, we default to narcissism.
8thman, that entire generation has been programmed that it's allright to be mediocre, that there is no need or reason to try hard at anything; that if they fall on their ass that they will be taken care of and provided for: bovine feces.

Mobs are driven by strong emotion and total disregard for anything other than what they see as being vengeance in their minds.

Russ Limbaugh coined a phrase years ago: "mind-numbed robots" and unfortunately, most are semi-well educated, but have never been taught how to think, reason, or use that grey matter to solve problems  8)
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 31, 2017, 09:04:52 am
8thman, that entire generation has been programmed that it's allright to be mediocre

Seeker, although I've mentioned being very Millennial psychologically in some respects, one of the things I've had to do, is take a good, hard look at what mediocrity really means.

Being Millennial for me, has meant first and foremost that I have unrealistic and distorted expectations, which in turn has meant that I've had to get my head out of the clouds.  At the moment I am re-focusing on tangible, physical survival; warmth, shelter, food, and water.  Most people these days are likely to laugh at that and say that it's easy, but the truth is that it isn't.  Even these supposedly high-flying 25 year olds in programming or whatever only really maintain the image while at Starbuck's.  Follow them home after that, however, and the image isn't so rosy; a lot of the time they're close to starving.  They have money, yes; but they're spending it at expensive retail food outlets which exist in a massively inflated economy.  They don't know how to cook, and they usually don't really know how to provide good nutrition for themselves.

So yes; to be quite honest, relative to people like Bill Gates or Richard Branson, I now think mediocrity is fine.  Mediocrity in my context, however, means minding my own business, (at least to a degree) and knowing how to solve my own immediate problems as effectively as possible.

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that there is no need or reason to try hard at anything

Again, this is something which I've had to try and get real about, from both ends of the spectrum.  If I don't do well, then I'm not necessarily in a position where someone else is going to entirely pick up the slack.  I'm buying rice, muesli and flour now, and I'm learning that if I haven't cooked, then I'm going to go hungry.  Given that I live in a communal environment, it's true that sometimes I can just sit outside and smoke cones and have someone else give me dinner; but even that is not free.  A person who cooks for me is going to want enough weed in exchange for it, that I would be ahead economically if I had cooked myself.

At the same time, however, I'm letting go of a lot of juvenile over-projections and flights of fancy that Amway brainwashed me with 20 years ago now.  I'm not expecting to be a rock star any more; but I'm also starting to believe that if I am conscientious, just because I'm not rich it doesn't automatically mean I'm a loser.  I am also starting to realise that it is much, much, MUCH more important to have real emotional and spiritual stability and strength than any amount of money.  My faith keeps me alive.

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Mobs are driven by strong emotion and total disregard for anything other than what they see as being vengeance in their minds.

I've realised recently that the biggest source of energetic weakening for me, has been to ever put myself on a pedestal where I am looking down at anyone else, and accusing them of being responsible for my own problems.  Some Christians would have called that wickedness, but the entire reason why I don't want to bother calling it wicked, is because doing that is also accusatory and therefore just keeps the whole dynamic and game going.  Rather than referring to everything as "evil," the way fundamentalist Christian preachers sometimes do, I've found that a much more beneficial approach is simply to realise that some actions will have undesirable consequences, so I shouldn't engage in them.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on August 31, 2017, 11:10:37 am
Petrus,

My response to your post is this, if your parents had expected your generation to emotionally mature quickly, as had been the practice with earlier generations, you would have been well on your way to a prosperous life much earlier.

It is the practice now for parents to allow their children to be perpetual children. This has not served your generation well. It has handicapped you and, consequently, negatively affected future generations.

The goal in the past has been to raise intelligent, skilled, disciplined children as quickly as possible, the objective being for them to support themselves and contribute to society as a whole as soon as they reached legal age.

The last couple of generations lack the perspective of previous generations who battled through the Depression and two world wars. Obviously, it goes back further than that, but I don't think I need to recite the list.

There needs to be a generational shift back to the values of the past - personal responsibility, emotional maturity, reserve, solid work ethic, and selflessness.

Immature narcissism is murdering your future.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 31, 2017, 12:11:54 pm
Seeker, although I've mentioned being very Millennial psychologically in some respects, one of the things I've had to do, is take a good, hard look at what mediocrity really means.
Petrus, over the time you have spent here with us on the forum, we have watched as you have started the process of discovery; you are one of the few I have encountered that can see past the hurdles you face; at the least, you recognize they are there

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Being Millennial for me, has meant first and foremost that I have unrealistic and distorted expectations, which in turn has meant that I've had to get my head out of the clouds.  At the moment I am re-focusing on tangible, physical survival; warmth, shelter, food, and water.  Most people these days are likely to laugh at that and say that it's easy, but the truth is that it isn't.  Even these supposedly high-flying 25 year olds in programming or whatever only really maintain the image while at Starbuck's.  Follow them home after that, however, and the image isn't so rosy; a lot of the time they're close to starving.  They have money, yes; but they're spending it at expensive retail food outlets which exist in a massively inflated economy.  They don't know how to cook, and they usually don't really know how to provide good nutrition for themselves.

Exactly; I will use myself as an example; by the time I was 16 years old, I could cook anything I chose, could handle all the plowing and planting, harvesting, and storage prep, slaughter a hog, chicken, or cow, fish, or hunt;

but I grew up in simpler, non-electronic times, and everything I just listed was a normal part of life, long before cable tv, video games, computers, or the internet.

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So yes; to be quite honest, relative to people like Bill Gates or Richard Branson, I now think mediocrity is fine.  Mediocrity in my context, however, means minding my own business, (at least to a degree) and knowing how to solve my own immediate problems as effectively as possible.
I wouldn't consider that being mediocre; that is part of the maturing process, where we recognize that we, and we alone, are responsible for our actions and survival.

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Again, this is something which I've had to try and get real about, from both ends of the spectrum.  If I don't do well, then I'm not necessarily in a position where someone else is going to entirely pick up the slack.  I'm buying rice, muesli and flour now, and I'm learning that if I haven't cooked, then I'm going to go hungry.  Given that I live in a communal environment, it's true that sometimes I can just sit outside and smoke cones and have someone else give me dinner; but even that is not free.  A person who cooks for me is going to want enough weed in exchange for it, that I would be ahead economically if I had cooked myself.
That realization is also part of the process; nothing is free, everything has a cost, in some way.

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At the same time, however, I'm letting go of a lot of juvenile over-projections and flights of fancy that Amway brainwashed me with 20 years ago now.  I'm not expecting to be a rock star any more; but I'm also starting to believe that if I am conscientious, just because I'm not rich it doesn't automatically mean I'm a loser.  I am also starting to realise that it is much, much, MUCH more important to have real emotional and spiritual stability and strength than any amount of money.  My faith keeps me alive.

I've realised recently that the biggest source of energetic weakening for me, has been to ever put myself on a pedestal where I am looking down at anyone else, and accusing them of being responsible for my own problems.  Some Christians would have called that wickedness, but the entire reason why I don't want to bother calling it wicked, is because doing that is also accusatory and therefore just keeps the whole dynamic and game going.  Rather than referring to everything as "evil," the way fundamentalist Christian preachers sometimes do, I've found that a much more beneficial approach is simply to realise that some actions will have undesirable consequences, so I shouldn't engage in them.
You are growing, Petrus; the goal is to become your own person, with your own standards, beliefs, and morals; no one but you can see your accomplishments and truly judge; only you can. Keep your head up, don't be afraid to ask those who might know more, and think deeply before making a choice. Always be on the learning curve

 8)

Seeker
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on August 31, 2017, 12:46:07 pm
Exactly; I will use myself as an example; by the time I was 16 years old, I could cook anything I chose, could handle all the plowing and planting, harvesting, and storage prep, slaughter a hog, chicken, or cow, fish, or hunt;

but I grew up in simpler, non-electronic times, and everything I just listed was a normal part of life, long before cable tv, video games, computers, or the internet.
How common was it in a city to plant, harvest and slaughter animals at that time?

I think one of the problems is that a larger part of the population lives in cities now, so the percentage of people that never even saw something being planted cannot know how to do it (unless they watch a video on YouTube).

One thing I find strange in this "millenials" thing is that it looks like people are quick to accuse them of several things that are the result of education, but they do not accuse their parents of not giving them a good education and never talk about the possible reasons behind the whole situation.

Anyone has any theory for it? I know I do not, but I do not know personally any "millenial".
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 31, 2017, 02:59:36 pm
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How common was it in a city to plant, harvest and slaughter animals at that time?

I think one of the problems is that a larger part of the population lives in cities now, so the percentage of people that never even saw something being planted cannot know how to do it (unless they watch a video on YouTube).

One thing I find strange in this "millenials" thing is that it looks like people are quick to accuse them of several things that are the result of education, but they do not accuse their parents of not giving them a good education and never talk about the possible reasons behind the whole situation.

Anyone has any theory for it? I know I do not, but I do not know personally any "millenial".

There are several different factors at work:

A.) The parents seem to inherently want their kids to have it better than they did.

B.) For the last 30-40 years, both parents have to work full time jobs in order to stay ahead of the game, which diminishes the available time to spend teaching the kids normal life.

C.) With the millenial generation, corporal punishment and discipline in general has went out the window, which in turns lead to not having respect instilled for any type of authority; plus add in the seeds of distrust sown in the 60's for any "establishment".

D.) And for the city dwellers, it is true that it is hard to learn survival skills if their parents never took them camping, hunting, or fishing; a percentage of them never took them out into the country, even for a Sunday drive.

The difficult part is getting them to realize that they don't have everything under control, don't understand the concept of hard work, or that they will have to fend for themselves, one way or another, for they have never had to do much for themselves;

The parents are partly to blame, the education system is partly to blame, so it isn't any one thing that has lead up to this point, but many; and the disillusionment of multiple entitlement programs only leads deeper down the rabbit hole, for nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on August 31, 2017, 03:40:01 pm
I'm going to spar with you a bit, Seeker.

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There are several different factors at work:

A.) the parents seem to inherently want their kids to have it better than they did.

I think every generation wants this for their children.

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B.)For the last 30-40 years, both parents have to work full time jobs in order to stay ahead of the game, which diminishes the available time to spend teaching the kids normal life.

My brother, sister and me were latchkey kids. For years the only time we saw our parents was in the evenings.

We all turned out well because in that short window, over the years, they instilled us with respectable values.

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C.) With the millenial generation, corporal punishment and discipline in general has {went} out the window, which in turns lead to not having respect instilled for any type of authority; plus add in the seeds of distrust sown in the 60's for any "establishment".

I agree with this. Pain is a great motivator. A slap upside the head when you f*ck up is very effective.

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D.) And for the city dwellers, it is true that it is hard to learn survival skills if their parents never took them camping, hunting, or fishing; a percentage of them never took them out into the country, even for a Sunday drive

As kids we weren't exposed to these sorts of things, but over the years we learned about them through books and friendships. There is much to be said for the old ways.

Nowadays, everyone is in Mom's basement 24/7 playing video games and masturbating. They make zero effort to self-educate, emotionally mature, and take personal responsibility for themselves and their behavior.

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The difficult part is getting them to realize that they don't have everything under control, don't understand the concept of hard work, or that they will have to fend for themselves, one way or another, for they have never had to do much for themselves;

The parents are partly to blame, the education system is partly to blame, so it isn't any one thing that has lead up to this point, but many; and the disillusionment of multiple entitlement programs only leads deeper down the rabbit hole, for nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.

The educational system in this country is absolute sh*t now. All those supposed teachers care about is poisoning young minds with their caustic politics.

At the university level, which is the educational equivalent of high school 30 years ago, the leeches are inculcated with socialist principles and encouraged to make as much trouble as possible for the people who are paying the bills.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on August 31, 2017, 03:54:42 pm
When I was a young boy, I asked about my great uncle.  My mom said, "he was young during the Depression when many men didn't get married or start families".  Fast forward to 2018, and it may be worse.

I work with millennials and I would feel sorry for them if they seemed less accepting of their condition - often half broke and without goals.  Young guys appear more dedicated to their smartphones than any girlfriend and hang out "vaping" together.  The alternative is often becoming a sperm donor with a checking account - rather than an appreciated father, so I can't blame them.  Young women often seem to be raised as some sort of feminist royalty. You can knock both genders equally and be unable to imagine another generation being born by them.

I reject any educational claim that seems to treat children as an entirely new species that we have no experience with.  Likewise, I note that lots of young radicals act as if they had practical wisdom in dealing with hate and violence - greater than Buddha, Jesus, Gandhi, and Martin Luther King.  What the f**K are they being taught?

I also think that, while it is true that older people traditionally complain about "kids these days", it is also a danger to our society to simply ignore negative trends around us - and wonder about the end result.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on August 31, 2017, 04:12:16 pm
The parents are partly to blame, the education system is partly to blame, so it isn't any one thing that has lead up to this point, but many; and the disillusionment of multiple entitlement programs only leads deeper down the rabbit hole, for nothing is free, someone has to pay for it.
So, why did their parents behave in a different way from the way their own parents behaved? And why was the education system changed? What changes were introduced?
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on August 31, 2017, 04:26:04 pm
So, why did their parents behave in a different way from the way their own parents behaved? And why was the education system changed? What changes were introduced?

ArMaP,

I know you're talking to Seeker, but I'll share my view while you wait for his answer, if you don't mind.

Parents over here stopped expecting their children to grow up. They stopped effectively disciplining them and began letting them engage in behaviors that were forbidden by parents of previous generations.

One glaring example that absolutely stuns me is there are parents here who let their teenage children's boyfriend/girlfriend live with them in their home and have sex!

The educational system began changing in the mid-80's. The curricula morphed to politically motivated content with a distinct Liberal bent. Everything is now oriented to the Socialist agenda and patriotism, the simple love for the country that has nurtured them, is dead.

These are not citizens of the United States. They are puppets of Rex Mundi.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: The Seeker on August 31, 2017, 04:46:38 pm
So, why did their parents behave in a different way from the way their own parents behaved? And why was the education system changed? What changes were introduced?
America lost it's innocence in the 60's; JFK was asassinated, Vietnam was very unpopular, the hippies and their free love-smoke dope-tune in and turnoff influenced a lot of young people; then Dr. Benjamin Spock came along and screwed up everyone with his ideas of how to raise children without discipline (the bad part about that is Spock renigged on all his bovine feces teachings 20 years later when his son committed suicide)

Let;s jump to the late 70's; all those left wing hippies now have college degrees and have been ensconced in the educational system ever since...
Most of the students are very book smart, but have never been taught how to reason, wonder, or how to try to investigate and solve problems...

The old adage of Adapt, overcome, improvise, divide, and conquer is a totally strange concept to them; plus the whole education system is so pissed up that you can graduate high school and not be able to read on a third grade level...
"No child left behind" is nothing more that a fancy way of saying don't make them try...
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on August 31, 2017, 09:11:37 pm
My response to your post is this, if your parents had expected your generation to emotionally mature quickly, as had been the practice with earlier generations, you would have been well on your way to a prosperous life much earlier.

I don't know whether emotional maturity was or is my problem as such, simply from the point of view that I learned very early that my parents were actually far more ethically and emotionally juvenile than I was.

I have two main problems, psychologically; at least that I can recognise right now.

a}  Although I'm now largely getting over it, I've always struggled with the fact that, while I was at school, (and even more during the period when I first lived alone) I constantly felt like I was being hunted, and that I needed to avoid bullies and various kinds of predators.  I know you'll probably say that this is normal, but the main reason why it has been destructive is because it has completely destroyed my capacity for any form of long term planning, due to the sense that I don't necessarily feel that I'm going to still be alive at all in another 24 hours.  Nimbin has allowed me to feel safer than I ever have in my life before, but I still strongly prefer to remain on the property where I live, and I do not like going into the town to buy food before the early evening.  I also continually struggle with a desire to do nothing other than to go back to my bedroom at my mother's house, permanently close the door, and just degenerate in front of the computer, simply because that is where I have the greatest sense of security.  I am, however, able to look at how much I've improved while in Nimbin, and so the desire to go back is lessening, simply because I don't want to regress to that condition.

I do still feel deep depression at times over the idea that I live in what I consider to be a literally Apocalyptic society; but this is also getting better because I am realising that I can still enjoy and find my own beauty in life, regardless of how bad the outside world might be.  I do occasionally still regret the fact that I wasn't born during a more peaceful and morally elevated period, but I am accepting that living in this age is my karma for whatever reason, and all I can do is the best I can in the here and now.

b}  Although I am also recovering from this as well, to a small degree I still emotionally struggle at times with the idea that, as far as most Christians I've known are concerned, I am not saved.  Given the fact that part of my reason for coming to Nimbin (although I only realised this relatively recently) was a genuine desire to emulate the life of Jesus Christ as directly as I can, this has at times been a source of enormous pain for me.  Prayer now gives me great calm and stability, however; and so I am coming to the realisation that if Jesus himself approves of me, it doesn't really matter what the rest of his followers think.

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It is the practice now for parents to allow their children to be perpetual children. This has not served your generation well. It has handicapped you and, consequently, negatively affected future generations.

Yes, but the irony is, that the main handicap is simply the idea, in and of itself, that I've supposedly had horrible things done to me by other people.  The only real problem that most Millennials have, is the degree to which they've been indoctrinated to view themselves as victims.  Regardless of whatever other issues you have, victimhood is the worst possible trap you can fall into, because it causes you to assume that you don't have the ability to improve.

So while I recognise that in some ways, my past may not have been that great, I'm noticing that the only way I can improve my present, is to stop focusing on said past.

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The goal in the past has been to raise intelligent, skilled, disciplined children as quickly as possible, the objective being for them to support themselves and contribute to society as a whole as soon as they reached legal age.

My childhood was spent during the 80s.  My positive male role model was not primarily my father, but a combination of two of my uncles, Jesus, Popeye, (who has actually been a much greater influence than I had consciously realised until recently) Optimus Prime, Batman, Martin Riggs, and John McClaine.  You might notice how many of these are fictional characters; and yes, that has caused about the level of psychological issues that you might expect.

On the positive side, however, said characters did give me a strong and at times uncompromising sense of personal ethics.  At this point I am also much less inclined towards real violence than most of the people I know as well.  That is mainly because I have experienced a small amount of it, (although still a lot more than the average urban civilian Millennial is ever likely to see) which means that I know that it is a very, very different thing to what is depicted in movies or video games.

I still play violent video games, though.  A couple of days ago, the most psychologically beneficial experience I've had in recent memory, came from the rediscovery of a Super Nintendo emulator on my hard drive, along with a copy of Super Double Dragon.  Dragons for some reason have been all over the place for me over the last week or so; I had an LSD trip yesterday and was seeing them everywhere I looked.  Given what I already know is the conventional Christian opinion of my spiritual condition, that made me about as uncomfortable as you might imagine, but I know Zorgon would probably consider that positive.

The main reason why I dislike dragons is because I've truthfully always seen them as symbols of predation and tyranny; but ironically I only really started seeing them yesterday, when I had the thought that what I wanted to stand for, was creating as strong a sense of stability for myself and the people in my immediate vicinity as possible.  I then started getting images of platforms of dense rock, with black dragons with their wings spread, extruded around the outer edges, as though they were holding them up.  I also started seeing dragons' heads in the trees.  I don't know what that meant, and I truthfully still feel awkward thinking about it; but again, I know Zorgon would probably not consider it anything negative, and might even tell me that I should feel honoured.

There was also one other experience, during another LSD trip close to a year ago, where I was lying in bed and noticed that the folds and shadows of my covers, formed the image of a baby dragon asleep on my bed, right in front of me.  That scared me to the point where I think I tried to consciously repress all memory of it, but it came back after yesterday.

One of my uncles is a convicted paedophile, but not long before he committed that act, he started filling his house with furniture and ornaments that had black dragons all over them.  That is another large part of the reason why I generally don't want anything to do with dragons as an idea at all, truthfully, to the point of considering them traumatic as mentioned; because again, I view them as exclusively predatory and that their mental/energetic influence is only likely to be destructive to me.

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The last couple of generations lack the perspective of previous generations who battled through the Depression and two world wars. Obviously, it goes back further than that, but I don't think I need to recite the list.

There has been a systematic, deliberate, inter-generational attempt to render humanity extinct, and my own situation is the product of that.  I've read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and too much other material on that particular campaign to name.  I know more about it than I probably should, but for the sake of my mental and spiritual health, I no longer primarily focus on it.

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Immature narcissism is murdering your future.

My 40th birthday was seven months ago now.  As a result, I've tried hard to emotionally come to terms with the fact that that particular ship has already sailed.  I have no partner, no children while being at the end of child bearing age, and currently live in a two square meter room in a backpacker hostel.  My total net economic worth is currently around $900 AUD, and that is exclusively from the government.  I also have a single kidney and severe myopia, (although I still don't need glasses yet) among various other problems.  I am aware that the conventional opinion would probably be that I should find a handgun, put it in my mouth, and spare myself the experience of what is most likely a foregone conclusion at this point.  I am not, however, going to do that.

I do not know if humanity as a species is going to survive, but I do know that if it does, it won't be because of me.  Yesterday while on the acid trip, I thought of that, as I often do, and Eric Idle's quote from The Life of Brian came into my mind.

"You come in with nothing, you go out with nothing.  What have you lost?  Nothing."
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: petrus4 on September 01, 2017, 12:11:11 am
then Dr. Benjamin Spock came along and screwed up everyone with his ideas of how to raise children without discipline (the bad part about that is Spock renigged on all his bovine feces teachings 20 years later when his son committed suicide)

There are reasons why I am conflicted about the use of corporal punishment.

In my own experience, I am more likely to learn not to put my hand on a hot plate (to use an example) if it has actually been the hot plate itself that burned me, rather than being slapped by a parent.  I don't have anyone around to smack me now, but as I've already written in another post, I know from experience that if I don't either cook or buy food, then I do not eat, and that is simply a consequence of Nature itself, not anything my parents might do.  My parents were more likely to punish me for something I had done which had simply angered them, rather than because they were trying to prevent me from doing something which would harm me.

On the other hand, I think most arguments in favour of corporal punishment, tend to revolve around a parent needing to have a tactic of last resort, which I can see the merit of.  Whether I advocate corporal punishment myself or not, I also absolutely believe in a parent's right to decide to use it.  The state should have no right to intercede whatsoever there; because apart from anything else, that implies that it is actually the state that has custody of the child, rather than the parents.

I think the real issue here, more than corporal punishment itself, is a concern that children now are missing out on the experience of fortifying hardship, and again, based on my own experience, I very much believe that a healthy amount of that is developmentally of critical importance.

When I was playing World of Warcraft, there was initially a scenario where the game's difficulty followed an incrementally increasing curve, up to end-game raiding (https://wow.gamepedia.com/Raid), which was the most difficult activity in the game.  Later on, however, the game was dumbed down, and the levelling curve was flattened, all the way up to said end-game raiding.  The raid instances themselves were still just as hard, however, which meant that new players were going into them without any of the requisite skills, or the level of familiarity with their classes that they needed in order to handle such a challenge.  As a result, the entire raid scene turned into an unprofessional mess, and most of the truly competent guilds (in-game player fraternities, essentially) left the game in disgust.  People also started complaining that they were bored with the game far more frequently than in the past.

The other related experience I've had with gaming, is a realisation that developing my ability as a player is my only real reason to keep playing.  I will enjoy individual games, yes; but once I've become as good at a game as I can, I put it down and want another game which is going to continue to challenge me.  I enjoy the experience of improvement; unless I'm doing it as a form of relaxation, however, I don't enjoy gliding effortlessly through a game I'm already at my peak in.

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Most of the students are very book smart, but have never been taught how to reason, wonder, or how to try to investigate and solve problems...

I wasn't either.  Aside from grammar, everything of value I got from school was obtained in the library during the lunch hour.  I was never taught anything about generalised or abstract logic at all, and I only learned because I read the Bible, a small amount of Aristotle, Machiavelli, the UNIX development philosophy, and various bits of Chinese philosophy as well, among other books which I can't remember off the top of my head.  I was also taught rhetoric via debating Christians on IRC during the mid to late 1990s. 

Aside from a very small amount of Jefferson, Franklin, and Kant, (who I admire) I haven't touched the Enlightenment authors at all.  Most of them seem to me to have been very thorough logically, but to have spent close to the same amount of time trying to defend colonialism.  I am not going to waste my time morally condemning either colonialism, federalism, or slavery, because even though I am opposed to all three of those things, I also believe that time has and will demonstrate that they are flawed paradigms which fail by themselves, regardless of my or anyone else's opinion of them.  I am slowly learning to never emotionally judge anything, if empiricism can be used to demonstrate why the idea in question is defective for a particular purpose.

My approach to doing anything comes primarily from my time with UNIX, my time in Minecraft, the Kybalion, and my study of ancient Egypt and Rome.  In Minecraft my architecture is generally either Egyptian, Gothic-ish with buttresses and such, or Roman post and lintel with pseudo-Doric columns, which are easiest to imitate in computer games because they are not ornate.  My choice of colours is usually Spartan.

(http://www.mirshalak.org/images/new-minecraft-factory+09-11-2015+.png)

I got the sense of proportion with the pillars from them, and I still like the look, although that is an old map, and the brown floor seems a bit depressing to me now.

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"No child left behind" is nothing more that a fancy way of saying don't make them try...

I recognised that as the conspiracy that it was, as soon as I heard about it.  Rote memorisation of certain sets of numbers is useful in mathematics, but in no other subject, as much as is understanding of general principles.  The Egyptians have also taught me that multiplication and division only really exist as forms of convenience.  In actual fact, addition and subtraction are the only things that exist.  Seven times seven, actually means seven added to itself seven times.

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1   7
2   14
4   28

1 + 2 + 4 = 7.

28 + 14 = 42.

42 + 7 = 49.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on September 01, 2017, 06:12:58 am
Thanks Irene and The Seeker. :)

Looking at the Wikipedia article about Dr. Spock, it looks like people accepted what he said as if it was an absolute truth, something I notice is very common in the US, when someone is considered (for whatever reason) to be an important person people accept everything that comes from that person.

In this case it looks like he said things of which he wasn't even sure, with many negative effects in millions of people.

Another thing I noticed is that it sounds like those were mostly overreactions to war, both WWII and the Vietnam war, so what looked like a good idea turned into a not so good result.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: ArMaP on September 01, 2017, 06:21:09 am
I do not know if humanity as a species is going to survive, but I do know that if it does, it won't be because of me.
You never know.

You may have never done anything that is going to change the world, but you can never know how what you do and what you say (mostly what you say, as the Internet has the power to send it all over the world) affects other people and what they can do because of what you said. :)
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Irene on September 01, 2017, 08:27:17 am
You never know.

You may have never done anything that is going to change the world, but you can never know how what you do and what you say (mostly what you say, as the Internet has the power to send it all over the world) affects other people and what they can do because of what you said. :)

I agree. If you have only positively influenced one person in your entire lifetime, you have made a difference.
Title: Re: Who Will Be The Next Scapegoat?
Post by: Eighthman on September 07, 2017, 04:10:38 pm
Woo Hoo !

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-07/senate-passes-debt-ceilinggovt-funding-deal-heres-what-happens-next

This could be a Fantastic turning point !!!!  Trump cuts a deal with Schumer and Democrats deliver.  This suggests that both parties MUST Get Stuff Done because a rogue President can cut deals with either. This might go a long way towards halting the destructive polarization of the US - AND putting a 'monkey wrench' in efforts to impeach the President.  Guys like Schumer could reason 'which is better, a deal making Trump or a hard Republican like Pence?"

Could be very positive.