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Title: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 03:56:40 pm
A while back Stanton Friedman told me that Roswell was not the beginning, but actually the end of a period when Flying Discs (as they were called back then) were buzzing the entire United States continuously for an entire 2 weeks BEFORE Roswell.

He suggested I should go have a look through the newspaper microfiche archives in my area because the majority of these sightings were right in my area.

I did so and... he turned out to be 100% correct.

Every day front page headlines. I am attaching scans and text of those 2 weeks.

Also our top brass were being grilled by reporters as to what the deal was. They denied any knowledge and thus were being made to look bad since these things ripped through our skies with impunity and basically laughed at any chase craft.

As time has passed and I have done some traveling, I always make it a point to stop by the local library wherever I am and go through the microfiche archives for the summer/fall of 1947.

Reason being, it has been a jackpot every time without fail, and the stories vary from state to state, town to town, paper to paper.

Many stories are one of a kind not reprinted in other papers.

One of THE most interesting facts to emerge from all of this is:

The vast majority of locations the Discs came to and "visited" were top secret military installations.

The public did not know that at the time, but presently it is quite obvious why they would be visiting Hanford, WA (Kenneth Arnold's sighting and more) and of course Roswell, being the only nuclear air wing. Also White Sands, Los Alamos and more.

So as I traced their movements during this 2 weeks leading up to "the crash", I noted all the TS and black project areas they went straight for, as I'm sure the generals at the time did too.

They traveled in a pack, ranging from as small as 3 up to as large as 9 usually, 11 on one occasion.

They cut corners on a dime without slowing down.

They were silver sports models, and could emit intense bright light even during the day but usually did not do so.

The pattern of movement reminded me of a rock band on tour, day by day going to a different city, then moving on. The East Coast had a few days of big activity also.

The biggest surprise was when I went to Hong Kong for a friends wedding, and of course went to their library. He came along with great interest and I started as usual a full month before Roswell to make sure I didn't miss anything.

Day by day the film rolls by and... nothing! I can't believe my eyes because I had never come up empty before. The entire critical 2 weeks and -nada-.

I keep going, and surprisingly not even the famous AAF captures flying disc story or the follow up balloon story was not run.

But yet I keep going on sort of in stunned disbelief, then finally, a full 2 weeks AFTER Roswell, jackpot! The shiny fleet of 9 arrives during mid day as 100's of Chinese dock workers, and various townspeople watch in amazement at their speed and sharp movements.

Here are the excerpts from what I found that first trip:

06/25/47 Kenneth Arnold reports his sighting

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06/26/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Flying Disk Mystery Grows
-2 Midwest Men Support Boise Flier
-Descriptions tally On Fast - Flying Pie Pan Objects
-Nine mysterious objects hurtling through the air

06/26/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Oklahoman Sees Strange Objects
-SPEED TERRIFIC
-WIFE CONVINCED

06/26/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Carpenter Reports 'Discs' in Midwest
-...Nine shiny objects flying at a high rate of speed

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06/27/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Arnold Insists Tale Of Flying Objects O.K.
-..."It's God's truth - I will swear it on a Bible."

06/27/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - SALEM WOMAN SIGHTED DISKS
-...sighting the mysterious silvery disks sailing along in the sky...

06/27/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Picture of '7 dots' proves latest in flying disk case
-PICTURE SHOWS DOTS
-MANY SEE DISCS
-ILLUSION POSSIBLE

06/27/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Objects Seen Several Times
-...traveling at an unbelievable speed

06/30/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Lads Declare They Saw "Flying Disks"

07/01/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Pastor Fears Confrere Errs in Air Mystery
-"the millennium is neigh because of the appearance of the "flying saucers."

07/02/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Flying Disk Reported Above Fort Stevens
-..."There is a flying disk right now over Fort Stevens. It was dazzling bright and saucer- shaped. Everybody in the annex saw it." ...Mrs. Seado was asked to call another of the witnesses, preferably a man, to the phone...

(editors note: lmao)

07/02/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Spokane Jailer Says He Saw It
-jet planes "are very slow in comparison with what I saw."

07/02/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Rankin Report Adds Credence to 'Disks'
-...New reports meanwhile came in from 3 Oregon cities...

07/03/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Army Looks Into Flying Disk Stories
-...At first, Army officers laughed off the reports. Now..."it is our responsibility to know about it and take action."

(editors note: mm hmm)

07/03/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - More Report 'Disks"; Platter-Shaped Now
-...compared the "saucers" speed to that of a "shooting star."

07/03/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Woman Reports Flying Saucers

07/04/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Tell It to Admiral!
-...Two Navy chief petty officers today reported seeing flying disks...

07/04/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Richland Man Saw Arnold's Formation
-..."these disks certainly were traveling faster than ANY P-28."

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07/05/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - PORTLAND POLICE SEE DISKS SAIL
-...8 Portland area policeman and deputy sheriff's...numerous private citizens, the crew of a United Airlines plane, and a Coastguardsman who claims to have photographed one... the alert was sounded over police radio... a score of calls that the disks were overhead... Flashes Seen, Noise Lacking - OBJECT UNIDENTIFIED - ...the disk could change at a 90- degree angle without difficulty... terrific speed. "The disks would oscillate and sometimes we would see a full disk,then a half-moon shape, then nothing at all."

07/05/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Airlines Crew Confirms Reports Of Flying Disks: Five Spotted
-NOT AIRCRAFT-OTHERS DOUBTFUL-MORE SEEN LATER

07/05/47 - OREGONIAN - Air Liner Crew Confirms flying Discs Over State
-Many Seen During Day Over City
-Three Sight Objects-Police Cars Alerted-Veterans Spy Objects-Deputies Report Streaks-Flashes Seen, Noise Lacking-OBJECT UNIDENTIFIED...nine in all..terrific speed... described the sight as a "wobbling hubcap"...


07/06/47 - OREGONIAN - Flying Saucers Everywhere: New Tales Convert Skeptics
-Puzzle Alerts Entire Nation To Scan Sky
-Pilot Sees Objects First - Reports Come in From East
-Former skeptics joined the ranks of believers as the flashing objects glimmered before their eyes...

(editors note: heh heh heh)

-...said he had seen a similarly shaped object some weeks earlier, but fear of ridicule kept him quiet
-...And for the first time, the eastern states had their reports...
-...saw a silvery object fly southward, halt abruptly and then retrace it's course

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07/06/47 - OREGONIAN - 'Flying Disc' Reports Come From Hundreds, in 28 States
-Reports Come in From All Over Nation Telling of Sighting Mysterious Discs
-...came from all points of the continent
-...Science Fails To Give Facts
-Public Advised Discs Harmless

07/07/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Disc Floats to Earth, Flies On, Paper Told
-...he saw a flying disk float to the ground in front of him, stop a few seconds, then take off again...
-...Six persons reported seeing the discs in flight...

07/07/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - MORE PORTLANDERS SEE SKY VISITORS
-Ashland Picknickers Spot Flying Saucers
-...it flew south, occasionally "jumping sideways"

07/07/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Tacoma Cops Spy Discs Around 'Mother'
-..."6 or 7" flying saucers...said "a central saucer appeared to act as a sort of flagship... terrific speed."

07/07/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Saucers in Sydney
-...disc shaped objects shooting across the sky...

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07/07/47 - OREGONIAN - Eight 'Flying Saucers' Reported Down on Idaho Mountain"
-Air Search Scheduled For Region
-Flights continue To Be Observed Over Wide Area
-Extreme Speed Reported

07/07/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Guard Planes Patrol "Flying Saucer" Routes
-Land and Air Search for Discs in Idaho Fails

07/07/47 - OREGONIAN - Air Forces Deny Discs U.S. Made
-Air Force Investigation
-Aluminum Discs Seen

07/07/47 - The New York Times - Military Planes Hunt Sky Discs With Cameras in Vain on Coast
-Missile Theory Discounted
-"Washtubs" Fall and Vanish
-Two Visitations in Jersey

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Air Enigma Baffles U.S.
-The Army Air forces disclaimed any knowledge of where the flying saucers originate...

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - AAF, POLICE STAY MUM ON STORY DISC FOUND

07/08/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - TRUMAN HEARS 'FLIGHTY' TALE

07/08/47 - The New York Times - 'Disks' Soar Over New York, Now Seen Aloft in All colors

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07/09/47 - ROSWELL DAILY RECORD
-THE MANY RUMORS REGARDING THE FLYING DISC BECAME A REALITY YESTERDAY
when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Airfield was fortunate enough to gain possesion of a disc

07/09/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Friends Back Disc Spotter in Portland
-...started moving at a terrific speed

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07/09/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Army Says New Mexico 'Disc' Wind Balloon
-Reports Fewer

07/09/47 - The New York Times - 'Disk' Near bomb Test Site Is Just a Weather Balloon
-`Flying Saucer' tales pour in from round the world

07/10/47 - OREGONIAN - Saucer story slows speed
-The furore over flying saucers seems to have abated considerably...

07/10/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Flying Discs All But Gone, Few Reported

07/10/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Practical Jokers Carry Ball for Flying Discs

07/10/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Roseburg Priest Reports Discs
-"...seemed to be jiggling and darting about",... "the flashes were awfully bright and were obviously from a metallic object."

07/11/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - Wisconsin 'Discs' rigged for Power

07/11/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - 'Genuine Saucer' Looks Like Gag

07/16/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - ANOTHER DISC
-Flight Seen As 2 Planes Follow Path ...the object was larger than two planes which they said were "following" it
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 04:00:14 pm

Originally posted by Condemned0625
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Nice find. I had no idea there were this many sightings before the Roswell "crash" (I know they shot it down, including another).

I figured you would pick upon my various sarcasm about "the crash". Obviously the Army was in a pickle, and was daily being made fools of by these things that demonstrated vast superiority, and that the Army was unable to control/defend our skies.

So I wonder which scenario happened in private with the General and his staff seated around a conference table:

A) General: "Gee I hope one of those pretty flying saucers comes down and lands and introduces themselves to us, they are makin us look kinda bad right now. Let me know when that happens ok?"

or

B) General: "I don't care WHAT it takes... BRING ONE OF THOSE THINGS DOWN... NOW!!!
Do you understand me??!!

"...Guard planes "patrol" saucer routes with camera's..." Yeah you bet, along with our top weapons of the day too!!
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 04:03:44 pm

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by A51Watcher


Many theorize that when we stated setting off nukes that this caught the attention of others in our galaxy....

reply by annella

I agree totally. It seems that maybe Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have been the catalyst for the years of sightings immediately after that sad event. Cant blame any ETs wanting to check out just what the Hell we mere Earthlings had gotten up to with those great big clouds that spelled disaster!!

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 05:28:46 pm
Originally posted by havok
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...So after seeing all the stories from Oregon up until the Roswell story....
I have to think that the reason it got dropped, or 'explained', is rather obvious.

When you have documents stating how the gov't infiltrated big name newspapers in the 40's...

What caught my eye was after "the change", was that:

Reports dried up (except for those few people that again got wowed by a sighting and thought it their civic and human duty to warn their fellow citizens), and the public "got" the implied message that if you now reported one (after the sensible balloon explanation for it all (??) you would be considered gullible and a kook. It was now "cool" to ridicule them.

Message #2 that came through loud and clear was the implied threat: "Hey EVERYBODY knows it was all a weather balloon now, you want to be like everybody right?, You don't want to be some kind of weirdo different commie right?"

That psychology tool is still at work today.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 05:56:17 pm


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Major Donald E. Keyhoe, who lived through that two week period (later dubbing it "The Saucer Scare" period, due to the escalating public tension due to the daily increasing sightings reaching massive proportions, while the Military stood by helpless to do anything about it, let alone provide an answer), and afterward he contacted his many friends and contacts in the military and the Pentagon to determine what had happened. He details his search in his 1950 book -

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The Flying Saucers Are Real.
He provides additional details from witnesses known to the public and also those that were not:
 
He quotes Kenneth Arnold, who said he saw "...nine gleaming disks outlined against the snow, each one about the size of a C-54,...They flew close to the mountaintops, in a diagonal chainlike line... It was as if linked together".

He also relates that most Americans were unaware that the Pentagon had been receiving disk reports as early as January... "After seeing the Pentagon comment I had called up Captain Tom Brown at Air Force Public Relations" and related that he had heard that Civil Air Patrol in Wisconsin and other states were starting a sky search.

Brown: "We've got a jet at Muroc, and six fighters standing by at Portland right now,"

Keyhoe:"Armed?"

Brown: "I've no report on that. But I know some of them carry photographic equipment."

He relates that on July 8 at Muroc Air Force Base, where TS planes and devices are tested, six fast moving silvery-white saucers were seen by pilots and ground officers.

Both a Navy rocket expert (Dr. Robert B. McLaughlin) and an engineer (Charles B. Moore) who were there, each independently reported the same incident at White Sands where they had seen four saucers in that area.

The first saucer was tracked by White Sands observers with a theodolite. Then they worked out it's performance with ballistics formulas as being fifty miles up and making over fifteen thousand mph.

The staff at True magazine (a popular men's magazine of the day) compiled a list from current newspaper reports (later confirmed by Air Force case reports, including sightings at eleven Air Force bases and fourteen American airports and a score of encounters by airline and private pilots) of known worldwide sightings at that point that included Paraguay, Belgium, Turkey, Holland, Germany and the Scandinavian countries.

An additional interesting 1958 incident involving Major Keyhoe:
(from Wikipedia) "On 22 January 1958 Keyhoe appeared on a CBS live television show the Armstrong Circle Theatre to speak on the topic of UFOs. Keyhoe charged that a U.S. Congressional committee was evaluating evidence that "will absolutely prove that the UFOs are machines under intelligent control".

However CBS stopped the audio portion of the live broadcast. Herbert A. Carlborg, CBS Director of Editing stated "this program had been carefully cleared for security reasons".



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 06:23:34 pm
Another early author that came up with interesting details way ahead of his time was:

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Frank Edwards and his 1966 book -

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This is where I read the only report I have seen about the event, published post-Roswell in such detail, decades before Major Marcel broke his silence and came forward.


"There are such difficult cases as the rancher near Roswell, NM who phoned the sheriff that a blazing disc-shaped object had passed over his house at low altitude and had crashed and burned on a hillside within view of the house.

 The sheriff called the military: the military came on the double quick. Newsmen were not permitted in the area.

A week later however the government released a photograph of a serviceman holding up a box kite with an aluminum disc about the size of a large pie pan dangling from the bottom of the kite.

This, the official report explained, was a device borne aloft on the kite and used to test the radar gear by bouncing the signals off the pie pan.

And this, we were told, was the sort of thing that had so excited the rancher. We were not told however how the alleged kite caught fire.- nor why the military cordoned off the area while they inspected the wreckage of a burned-out box kite with a non-inflammable pie pan tied to it."

Frank was of course referring to one of the Major Jessie Marcel Sr. photos, in which he states he was ordered to pose with falsified wreckage and stay silent about it.

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...and then one of Gen. Ramey (on left) and his Chief of Staff, Col. Thomas Dubose (on right) obviously seriously examining the wreckage.

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...and then another of the two of them laughing about what an idiot Major Marcel must be.

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"Gee the Intelligence officer of our most important secret base, (because it is our only nuclear squadron of the day) apparently can't tell the difference between a weather balloon and a spaceship from Mars! Hahahaha!

Marcel swore that in private when he was ordered to pose with the false wreckage and keep quiet, he was promised "that one day, when this all comes out, you will be made a hero!" He patiently endured that shame and waited for that day in silence. That day never came and so shortly before he died he gave a few interviews stating in no uncertain terms what had really happened that day.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 06:48:01 pm

Quote
Originally posted by babybunnies
... often suspected that this was never a crash, that it was shot down, but this lays it all out very, very well.


New details I am reading now seem to actually contain a new sighting I had not read before, that well could be from when it was first "shot down" (well actually blindsided and separated from the rear of the pack and then hurled earthward, then suffering a "crash" landing... but we wanted this thing intact as much as possible).

Also additional sightings of it then continuing to fly wounded down towards Roswell, accompanied by a second craft, with more sightings of them along the way to Roswell.

Any additional info we might get from the archives could really help narrow this down.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 06:52:28 pm

Originally posted by C64Warrior
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Great thread and placed Roswell for me into a new light. I was always a believer in the Roswell case. But understood, that people were and still are receptive for the weather balloon explanation.

Now looking at your findings, the old weather balloon excuse just looks pretty funny. UFO sightings all over the place, reported from many many people, even mass sightings.

And what does the Air Force capture? A weather balloon  Was it disc shaped? 

Great description there!  And even better sarcasm than mine! 
Yes the balloon story is beyond laughable at this point. (Oh has any one noticed that the "new" explanation given by the Air Force, citing the secret Mogul balloon project with dummies, did not begin until 6 years AFTER Roswell?
.... D'oh!)
(Is this a backhanded method of disclosure, saying stuff that is so stupid everyone knows you are lying?)

So anyway, we had guard planes patrolling saucer routes for a weather balloon? We had fighters and a jet on standby for weather balloons?

 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 07:37:53 pm

Who knows better what really happened on that day,
than -the men who were actually involved in the event- ?

Well besides Major Jessie Marcel, who was pictured front page across the nation, we also have another member of that event from the previous day, who was the man responsible for the headline heard round the world:

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Lt. Walter Haut, then the public information officer for the 509th Bomb Group in Roswell:

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In WWII, Lt. Haut had been a navigator and then a bombardier as a crew member of the 509th,
but on that fateful day in 1947, after weeks of intense UFO sightings, he issued this stunning official AAF release to the nation's press:

"The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Airfield was fortunate enough to gain possesion of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County. The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office. Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters."

From that day on, until his death in 2005, Lt. Haut kept his oath and never revealed publicly what he knew about the monumentous events of that day in Roswell.
However in 2000, he privately gave an interview with 2 researchers he trusted, first stipulating that the interview was not to be released until after his death. Then in 2002, he prepared a notarized affidavit, which was sealed and not to be made public until after his death, and thus he kept a promise made to Col. Blanchard, to not disclose it while he was alive.

So in his own words, what did yet another -man who was actually involved in the event- have to say about that fateful day?

"In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.
 
By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m.

Besides Blanchard,
Marcel;
CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt;
Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer;
Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer;
and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey
and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance.

The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell.

A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town.

Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery.

Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."

Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside.

Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space."

[Source: Tom Carey & Donald Schmitt, Witness to Roswell, 2007]


So there you have it. Another man, -who was actually involved in the event-, revealing the true Alien nature of the event.

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_______________________________Walter G. Haut
________________________________ 1922 - 2005
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 07:46:13 pm
Originally posted by zorgon

Major Donald Keyhoe Part 1 of 3 Mike Wallace Interview 3/8/1958

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 08:01:13 pm

After researching the leads and links posted so far in this thread, I now have evidence that sightings during this 1947 period were also reported in the following countries:

China
South Africa
South America
Iran
Hungary (Budapest)
Paraguay
Belgium
Turkey
Holland
Germany
France
and the Scandinavian countries.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 08:11:55 pm
This is a new (to me) sighting report(s) from 1947 that appears to have 2 different locations listed:


27 Aug 47 - SECRET HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff,
A-2 Intelligence Hamilton Field, California 4AFDA 333.5/1208-I 27 August 1947

SUBJECT: Re Flying Disc
TO: Headquarters, Sixth Army, San Francisco, California.
ATTENTION: G-2

1. Following is extract from the Weekly Intelligence Summary, Air Transport Command, Washington 25, D.C., dated 20 August 1947, Copy No. 120, Article I, pg 1: "FLYING OBJECTS IN GUAM": Unidentified flying objects have been observed by three American enlisted men of the 147th Airways and Air Communications Service Squadron at Harmon Field, Guam. The men report that at 1040 hours on 14 August 1947 the two objects, which they describe as small, crescent shaped and traveling at a speed twice that of a jet fighter plane, passed over
them on a zig-zag course in a westerly direction at an approximate altitude of twelve hundred feet. The objects disappeared into clouds and a few seconds later a similar object possible one of those previously observed, emerged from the clouds and proceeded west. No further details have been reported."
2. For your information. DONALD L. SPRINGER Lt. Colonel, GSC AS of S, A-2

and...

Aug 14, 1947 - Harmon Field, Newfoundland, Canada - 10:40 a.m.

3 AAF airmen with the 147th AACS Sq. saw 2 small crescent-shaped objects pass over them on a zigzag path at a speed twice that of jet fighter plane (1,200 mph?) heading W at about 1,200 ft. disappearing into clouds, a few secs later a same or similar object emerged from the clouds and continued to the W.
Source: (FOIA)

So Canada or Guam, which is it? A little research shows that:

Harmon Air Force Base was the World War II airfield on Guam (Harmon AFB was closed in 1949)

Ernest Harmon Air Force Base was the the Cold War base in Newfoundland, Canada.
(The base was built by the United States Army Air Forces in 1941 and closed in 1966)

The Air Force base in Canada was originally referred to as Stephenville Air Base, which was renamed Ernest Harmon Air Force Base on June 23, 1948, and thus could not be the Harmon base described in this 1947 incident.

Interesting to note that the report pried loose via the FOIA does not have the correct base or location listed.

and one other interesting find:

22 Aug 1947 - Memo fm AC/AS-2
From: Air Intelligence Requirements Division Collection Branch (Col Robert Taylor)
To: Deputy Chief of Staff for Research and Development: "Flying Saucer Phenomena";

"From a detailed study of certain reported observations on the flying saucers, ...it is apparent that several aspects of their appearance have a common pattern.
...Before pursuing its investigation of these objects any further, this Office requests assurance that no research project of the Army Air Forces, at present being test-flown, has the following characteristics and that it may therefore assume that recent flying saucer 'mystery' is not of United States origin:
...Surface is metallic-- indicating a metallic skin, at least,
...as to shape, all observations state that the object is circular, or at least elliptical, flat on the bottom and slightly domed on the top.
...Size estimates place it somewhere near the size of a C-54 or Constellation as they would appear while flying at 10,000'...
...Flights have been reported containing from three to nine objects, flying good formation on each other, with speeds always above 300 knots...The discs oscillate laterally while flying along, which could be snaking."
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 08:21:15 pm

Anunaki10 posted on 1-2-2011

Quote
Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
UFOs still go to President Ronald Reagan a one time ranch in New Mexico.
Tesla ships that is.

Spotted by Lyne a few times last year.
The man who sold the green skin color for the Roswell hoax.

Did Tesla made spaceships? How? Can you prove it?

Green Skin color for the Roswell hoax? What hoax? The weather/Mogul balloon was a hoax, yes, in other words to cover up the two crashed alien spacecrafts. And why use New Mexico as location to detect the Soviet nuclear bomb, when it seems more logic to use for example Alaska (which is far closer to the Soviet Union) to operate from there? The fact is the military used a WB-29 airplane attached with a filter to track airborne debris to detect the first Soviet nuclear bomb in 1949, and they used Eielson Air Force Base, Fairbanks, Alaska to operate from there. They didn't use Mogul Balloon train attached with Rawin Targets to detect the Soviet Nuclear bomb.
Some of the MJ-12 members decided to turn their back on the "Shadow Government", and even General Ramey who was ordered by the highest level to make the weather/Mogul balloon cover up story, he also decided to turn his back on the "Shadow Government" too, by saying that the weather/Mogul balloon cover up story was the biggest lie he ever had to tell, and about the UFO wreckage he said >>It was out of this world, son. Out of this world!<<.

Did you know that Batelle scientist Elroy John Center confessed to have analyzed the Roswell ET debris? ufocon.blogspot.com... Wow, isn't this just great?

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/08/scientist-admits-to-study-of-roswell.html (http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/08/scientist-admits-to-study-of-roswell.html)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 09:51:17 pm
IsaacKoi posted on 5-2-2011

Quote
Originally posted by A51Watcher
A while back Stanton Friedman told me that Roswell was not the beginning, but actually the end of a period when Flying Discs (as they were called back then) were buzzing the entire United States continuously for an entire 2 weeks BEFORE Roswell.


Hi A51Watcher,

Further to your U2U asking if I had access to database information about sightings between 30th March 1947 and 3rd Septembmer 1947, I've had a look at one or two of the various UFO databases that I have obtained over the years.

The largest and most useful for present purposes is the huge UFOCAT database, started by Dr. David R. Saunders - a participant in the (in)famous Condon UFO study - over 40 years ago and currently updated and maintained by Donald A Johnson and sold by CUFOS.

For the period you asked about (i.e. 30 March 1947 to 3rd September 1947), the 2004 edition of that database had 2,578 entries.

Some UFO sightings have more than one entry in UFOCAT, so 2,578 does NOT equal 2,578 different sightings. I could probably work out the number of different sightings within that period stored in UFOCAT but it is probably in the order of about 2,000 different sightings.

The vast majority of those sightings were in the USA. While this can partially be explained by the fact that the researchers that compiled UFOCAT were generally in the USA and/or used sources written by American researchers, the dominance of reports from the USA within the period you mentioned is disproportionate to other periods also covered by UFOCAT.

In terms of Stan's comment about Roswell marking the end of a period, that obtains some support from the number of entries for UFO reports in UFOCAT before and after the Roswell newspaper reports on 8/9 July 1947.

The relevant numbers of entries in UFOCAT (which, once again, is not equal to the number of DIFFERENT sightings - which would involve a bit more work to ascertain) are:

21 June 1947 : 27 UFOCAT entries
22 June 1947 : 7 UFOCAT entries
23 June 1947 : 15 UFOCAT entries
24 June 1947 : 100 UFOCAT entries
25 June 1947 : 30 UFOCAT entries
26 June 1947 : 18 UFOCAT entries
27 June 1947 : 57 UFOCAT entries
28 June 1947 : 55 UFOCAT entries
29 June 1947 : 38 UFOCAT entries
30 June 1947 : 38 UFOCAT entries
01 July 1947 : 52 UFOCAT entries
02 July 1947 : 51 UFOCAT entries
03 July 1947 : 89 UFOCAT entries
04 July 1947 : 281 UFOCAT entries
05 July 1947 : 179 UFOCAT entries
06 July 1947 : 372 UFOCAT entries
07 July 1947 : 419 UFOCAT entries
08 July 1947 : 248 UFOCAT entries
09 July 1947 : 65 UFOCAT entries
10 July 1947 : 55 UFOCAT entries
11 July 1947 : 18 UFOCAT entries
12 July 1947 : 17 UFOCAT entries
13 July 1947 : 10 UFOCAT entries
14 July 1947 : 4 UFOCAT entries
15 July 1947 : 7 UFOCAT entries
16 July 1947 : 3 UFOCAT entries
17 July 1947 : 4 UFOCAT entries
18 July 1947 : 1 UFOCAT entries
19 July 1947 : 1 UFOCAT entries


Hope this helps,

Isaac

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 09:54:57 pm

Update on 1947 International Sightings of flying disk's:

The following list is provided by Harold E. Burt, who has served on the Board of Directors for Orange County Chapter of MUFON.

Sightings in Europe:

April 20, 1947

Citizens in Col de Serres, France report seeing disks flying over the valley.


June 10, 1947

Fast-moving flying objects are seen in Finland.


July 7, 1947

In Sussex, England people see disks fly over the coast and out to sea.

Citizens in Naples, Italy report a slow-moving, shiny disk overhead.

Astronomers at Del Satto Observatory in Chile spot disks. Estimated speed: 3,000 miles per
hour!

Japan and Holland also report seeing high-speed disks on this day.


August 11, 1947

In Sweden over four hundred people see fast-moving disks fly overhead.


September 1, 1947

Greece: British army units see "mystery projectiles."


Harold E. Burt's Website

http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/ (http://www.aliens-everything-you-want-to-know.com/)



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:00:06 pm
March 30 1947 - Lutz, Florida - 11:00 a.m. EST
Orlando Sentinel Star (Florida) 7/6

Mrs. J. E. Harp, her seven-year-old daughter Sandra, and her mother Mrs. W. H. Brown saw several flying discs while driving.

The discs were silvery colored and seemed to appear and disappear. They did not have time to count the number...

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:03:04 pm

May 5 1947 - Tucson, Arizona


Mrs. H.G. Olavick recalled she witnessed ten flying discs make some curious aerial maneuvers near Tucson.

One of those objects appeared larger than the other nine discs, perhaps as big as 100 feet in diameter.

Viewed with her husband, they both agreed at the time that the discs must be some sort of new high performance military aircraft.

As they watched, the nine smaller craft began "playing around the cloud" in violent aerial maneuvers for about seven minutes as if making mock dogfights.

Finally regrouping in a V formation behind the larger craft, they flew off with tremendous acceleration toward the northeast.

(McDonald, Loedding)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:22:09 pm

zorgon posted on 10-3-2011

Quote
Originally posted by Gazrok
Presumably, this would indicate where "they" may be from..at least in a spherical distance model. Still a lot of Universe to search, but just thought it was kind of interesting.

How so? Unless atomic blasts set up radiation or particles that travel faster than light, the closest star is 4.5 light years away. So a blast in 1945 would only be a little under half way to Alpha Centauri. And that doesn't even allow time for them to register the signal, plan to check us out and get here  ;D

Here is a star map 50 light years diameter. Our signals from the 60's are just now at the outer rim  :P Even at that most of what we broadcast in the 60's didn't have enough power, so will mostly be just noise

(http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/50lys.gif)

Now if you have proof that atomic blasts produce FTL particles or signals, I am ALL EARS  ;D
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:36:49 pm
zorgon posted on 10-3-2011

Quote
Originally posted by Anunaki10
Once again, you misunderstood something here. Hitler never sent Von Braun to the United States, as he wanted to keep his own scientists. Do you really think that Hitler wanted to send his own scientists to his enemies?  ;D

The reason von Braun defected to the US was because Hitler had ordered all the scientists to be killed. Von Braun was told about this by a friend in the SS. He went to find someone to surrender to and luckily for him the soldier he ran into didn't shoot first and took him to a superior. The operation to get him and the other scientists out was done quickly before the kill squad got there. This is easy to find history.

And yeah VB went to Roswell   ;D as well as Antarctica and he also worked on the US Army SMDC Moon Base project  ;D
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:39:20 pm

jessejamesxx posted on 10-3-2011

reply to post by zorgon


What if our extra terrestrial friends aren't just from another star system, but another dimension.. or have access to other dimensions? That means they could be from our very own planet, or one close by.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:46:02 pm

Quote
Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by A51Watcher


Interesting idea... The Trinity test was in June of 1945. Would be interesting to see how far this would have been detectable in space, within two years...as it seems (assuming the UFO flap in 47 was a response to investigate this "coming of age" event)

Presumably, this would indicate where "they" may be from..at least in a spherical distance model. Still a lot of Universe to search, but just thought it was kind of interesting.

The Zeta system is comparatively close, and is mentioned by name in most information regarding this area.
I have seen several comments here regarding this idea, that our first nuclear explosions alerted aliens to our presence. But as zorgon points out "the closest star is 4.5 light years away". He is also aware that evidence indicates aliens have been "visiting" our planet since the beginning, so I think that is what he is driving at.

However I don't think either view precludes the other.
I agree alien presence has been documented since the dawn of man. But perhaps these explosions alerted a new race of aliens to our presence that were previously unaware of our existence.

And how did they detect it from the vast distances zorgon pointed out...
ever been listening to your stereo, and suddenly hear large clicks coming out of the speakers, and when you investigate, you finally discover someone in a different part of the house has been plugging and unplugging some large wattage electrical unit in and out of the socket? This alert was carried by neither the speed of sound or light, but through electrical contacts in a common circuit.
Do aliens use technology that would hear spikes on the atomic level in a shared galaxy?

Early atomic blasts are the biggest easy target to point to when we try to figure out what triggered this massive invasion wave leading up to Roswell. Some also point to the Foo Fighters in WWII as being the actual beginning of the modern UFO invasion. However since these all involved bright lights and not silvery saucer shaped discs, they are by definition a different wave. Perhaps they were remote control drones or probes sent ahead of the discs, or maybe even sent from a different race altogether.

What makes this wave different than any other in history is that -

it is the first time we ever got our hands on one.

This invasion wave now appears to be roughly 10x larger in scope that what my OP showed it to be, turns out it was only the tip of the iceberg. It also now dramatically confirms my suspicion of what locations they were visiting. They made a bee- line for every base and facility with atomic material. Every location on this map comes up in the reports as a target more than once.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f30604dc0738.jpg)

Including the site shown in Canada -

"By December 1942 there were concerns that even Oak Ridge was too close to Knoxville, Tennessee in the unlikely but possible event of a major nuclear accident. The Chalk River, Ontario site was established to house the Allied effort that was going on at McGill University at the Montreal Laboratory.
Since the site was 120 miles west of Ottawa, a new community was built at Deep River, Ontario to provide residences and facilities for the team members. The site was chosen for its proximity to the industrial manufacturing of Ontario and Quebec, and access to a rail head adjacent to a large military base, Camp Petawawa. Located on the Ottawa River it had access to abundant water. The first director of the new laboratory was John Cockroft, but he was later replaced by Bennett Lewis. A pilot reactor known ZEEP (Zero-energy experimental pile) became the first Canadian reactor, and the first to be completed outside the United States, when it went critical in September 1945. A larger 10 MW NRX reactor which was designed during the war was completed and went critical in July 1947."

Many sites not on this map but of obvious equal interest were mentioned in the OP, but now includes several more I was unaware of.

So while the public only saw a seemingly scattered wave across the nation,
as the morning status reports came in, the general's eyes bugged out and choked on their coffee as they saw what locations were being "visited" by these craft.

So while atomic capability was -certainly- one of their primary targets, the question if atomic testing is what drew them here...
"is at present unknown, perhaps in six or nine months it may be possible to speak with some precision on the matter."
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:49:34 pm

Major Donald Keyhoe's conversation with Jet Fighter Pilot (also his personal friend)

re: possibility of 1947 UFO's of Soviet origin

R: "OK... you're flying an F-94 jet, with a radar operator behind you. You're on a routine patrol. Ground Control Intercept calls you. They've got an unknown on their radar, which is a surveillance type, with a longer range than yours. Their tracks show the unknown is making tight turns and speeds too high for any aircraft. So they give you the word—it's a UFO."

"Right then, it stops being an ordinary intercept. Going after a MIG, it's different. You know what you're up against. When you get him in your sights, you're ready to fire. With the saucers, you're on the spot. The orders are to intercept but not to shoot—unless you're sure they're hostile."

(Keyhoe: I knew about that. Major General Roger Ramey, chief of the Air Defense Command, had told me about the instructions.)

R: "How're you going to tell if they're hostile or not?" Riordan said harshly. "Who knows what they—well, anyway, GCI vectors you in. All of a sudden you see a light, circling faster than any plane. Your radar picks it up, too, and you lock on, so you're automatically following the thing. About that time Ground Control calls and says they've got you both on their scope, and the UFO's right where your radar shows it. That does it.
You know the thing's real—not a reflection or a set malfunction."

"It's your job to get in close. Maybe you'll learn something Intelligence doesn't know. So you open up and go on in. The UFO is still circling, or perhaps it's hovering by now, or it's slowed down. If it didn't do one of those things, you'd never get within miles—even at 100 per cent power.

Then it makes a quick turn toward you. You know you've been spotted, and you start getting butterflies in your stomach...
You watch the thing start a tight turn around you. Nobody on earth could take all the gs in that turn. It's so fast you almost twist your neck off, trying to keep it in sight...

One thing's sure, Something with intelligence is in control of the thing, the way it maneuvers. Even if it's remote-controlled, it must have a TV 'eye' or something like that—so you know you're being watched, maybe on a screen a long way off.

...But all you really know is that you're a sitting duck, if whoever's watching you wants to let you have it.
Then the saucer pulls away, so fast you feel like you're standing still.

...people should know all about those UFO intercepts. The way it is, too many of 'em think the saucers are some U. S. secret weapon."

K: "Not so many think so now," I said. "If we'd had anything with that power and speed back in '47, by now they’d be in operating squadrons. We wouldn't be building jets—they'd be completely obsolete. And those remote-controlled types would be perfect guided missiles.
We'd be able to tell Russia where to head in, fast."

R: "I know all that—but you still hear people say the saucers are our secret weapon, so we needn't be afraid of Russia."

K: "Yes, and you'll hear some others say they're Soviet weapons—"

R: That's even crazier, The Reds were barely crawling out of the wreckage of World War II, back in '47. They couldn't possibly have produced the saucers in that short time, even if they'd stumbled on some new method of propulsion.

And even if they could have, they wouldn't be shooting them all over the world, taking a chance one would crash and give away the secret."

K: "You don't have to sell me," I said. "I dropped that answer years ago, "and I don't know anyone in the Pentagon who gives it a serious thought."

R: "Besides, the Reds would own the world now if they'd jumped that far ahead in '47. At least they'd be holding a gun at our heads."
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 10:55:16 pm

karl 12 posted on 13-3-2011

Quote
Originally posted by A51Watcher

R: "Besides, the Reds would own the world now if they'd jumped that far ahead in '47. At least they'd be holding a gun at our heads."

A51Watcher, thanks for a very good read. 

Admiral Fahrney didn't think they were Russian either.

Quote
"According to worthy information of faith, in our atmosphere objects arrive at high speed. No aircraft, neither in the United States, either in the Soviet Union is currently able to achieve the speed attributed to these objects from the radars and from the observatories. These objects appear to be driven by an intelligence the way in which they fly. According to reports from scientists and technical personnel, these objects fly in formation and finish manoeuvres that seem to point out that are not completely driven from an automatic equipment. These objects are in incontestable mode the result of long investigations and highly technological and exceptional knowledge."

Admiral S. Fahrney,head of missile testing for the American Navy

http://media.abovetopsecret.com/profile_blogs/karl%2012/&action=view&id=471 (http://media.abovetopsecret.com/profile_blogs/karl%2012/&action=view&id=471)

Keep up the great work my friend -fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:05:18 pm
posted on 19-3-2011 @ 09:27 PM   

Here is one that never made it to the newspapers or Bluebook, from NUFORC:
(National UFO Reporting Center)

June 13 1947

NUFORC Sighting Report


Location: Oakmont, PA

A very brillant blue-white object coming towards us lowering above us and hovering over us a few minutes before shooting straight up.


A few days after we returned from attending my Grandmother's funeral in North Carolina, my husband and I decided to walk down the dirt road leading to my parents home near the Allegheny River. The road cut through nearly thirteen acres of corn and vegetables owned by an elderly couple who raised produced for sale. About half way down the road was a little shanty they called their "gardenhouse" where they cleaned and prepared their produce for market.

As we approached the shanty, we met the elderly woman coming up the road, heading for her home on the edge of town. We stopped to talk, she wanted to express her sympathies and to ask about the funeral. My husband and I were facing north, the woman facing us, as we talked. We noticed a small bright light coming toward us out of the north. It was moving very slowly, made no sound, but coming down, growing larger and brighter as it decended.

The old woman saw the look on our faces, so she turned and looked up. By this time it was very large and a very brilliant blue-white. The old woman fell to her knees, muttering something in her native tongue, Italian, and "crossing" herself. We were paralyzed with fear! Suddenly, after hovering for a few minutes, motionless, it began to go around in wide circles, then shot straight up into the sky, lightening fast and disappeared. The woman ran up the road to her home.

My husband and I ran to my parents' home, where my husband called the Observatory in Pittsburgh to ask what this "thing" was. They could not give an explanation, but that it "could not have been a plane or weather balloon, nor any invention existing at that time that could have done what this object did."

A few weeks later, reports started coming in on radio news about people in the west seeing strange things in the sky. Some were calling them "flying saucers" and "UFO's," and some were wondering if some other country had invented some kind of new scientific weapon.

We never completely got over our fright and have watched the sky ever since. My husband had been in the Navy in the war. We have seen many natural things, such as meteorites, northern lights and man- made objects, but never have seen anything to compare to what we saw that evening.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:25:29 pm

posted on 18-4-2011

I just made an interesting find while researching the Top 10 tourist destinations for UFO's during 1947.

As mentioned previously, I noted with interest all the TS bases and facilities the UFO's made a beeline for, one of which was Richland, Washington.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f726a1694a71.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/196881bae842.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d702c45e5233.jpg)

Which was home to The Hanford Engineer Works, where plutonium was produced for The Manhattan Project, so we can certainly understand the popularity for curious visitors.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d8a1d0482d96.jpg)

Located conveniantly on the edge of the Columbia river, for easy access to coolant water:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa5693a230bf.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ccce1f933973.jpg)

Yes those are the same "cooling pools" that Japan has been having such a problem with recently.


And so while hunting for early history pictures of the site, I found some photographs made the old- school way:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/08b29e2d8770.jpg)

using a dark room,

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5567813c087b.jpg)

and chemicals and film

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/653a7f0e74d9.jpg)

and then from The Hanford Declassifiied Document Retrieval System,
I found these official photographs, showing construction of The B Reactor:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ac1447c98f50.jpg)

and also, how they turned this:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/bcab8ef46c09.jpg)

into this:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/12a30b300803.jpg)

(worker housing area)



Too bad that first picture had some dirt on it though, it seemed to be nice high resoultion.

Lets take a look at that again, and zoom in on some of that dirt.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/05c13b42258a.jpg)

That white area in the sky certainly looks odd, almost as if someone tried to erase something.

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2a49072227ab.jpg)

Oh well, let's look closer at that dirt:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b8e6aace57af.jpg)

Now isn't that odd?... saucer shaped dirt!


Now I wonder what was orginally in that white area, where perhaps someone tried to rub off some of that dirt. Let's darken it up a bit and see what appears...

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/59af940ea08d.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2d372f06abf8.jpg)

Hmmm... appears to be more saucer shaped dirt.


And zooming further appears to show a companion much further up:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7f6120f4bae6.jpg)

The only further information available about this photo says "Image #N1D0024128 - View of the Hanford site from Rattlesnake Mountain."



Hmm... That "dirt" in the sky looks somehow similar to a few pictures also taken in 1947 by William Rhodes:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4f854bc46bd0.jpg)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/724421499b16.jpg)

July 7 - Phoenix, Arizona - Dusk

PHOENIX REPUBLIC (Arizona) 7/9
USAF FILES


William Rhodes, heard a "whoosh" overhead. Looking up, he expected to see a P-80 jet,
instead, he saw a dark, heel-shaped object coming in from the west.

It circled and banked at about 1,000 feet over his home. Rhodes grabbed his camera and as
the object banked in a tight circle for the second time, he took his first photograph.

As it circled once again at moderate speed, he took another shot.

Other than the initial "whoosh," which had caught his attention, there was no sound.
Following its final maneuver the object took off at high speed to the southwest.



It sure seems that there was an awful lot of swamp gas, temperature inversions and weather balloons flying around in the sky in 1947!  8)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:28:36 pm
Condemned0625 posted on 18-4-2011

reply to post by A51Watcher


Your investigative work never ceases to amaze me. So many "coincidences" in 1947, but there must be a logical explanation for it all! -Denies all evidence- Swamp gas! It must have been swamp gas!
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:30:48 pm

posted on 18-4-2011
reply to post by Condemned0625


Hah!   

Personally I'm going to go with chunks of french bread dropped in the darkroom on this one.  ;) 

But actually in looking at the darkened version of the whole photo, I am now wondering if this was not the whole reason for the photo being taken in the first place. We see a large round indentation on the ground that appears to be -steaming-? And above that 3 unknown 'objects'.

The size of the original photo is like 20" x 15". So those must have been some pretty good size chunks of bread!


Anyway that just popped up while working on another project regarding popular destinations in 1947. At first look I almost let it go for another time until the current project is complete, but after taking a second look with the zooms, and then the darkened version I just couldn't resist being sidetracked for a minute.  ;D

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:34:03 pm

posted on 20-4-2011

That darkened version of that photo I found shown above is kind of creepy if you think about what was under that circular depression on the ground, that is shown 'steaming' (just like those 'cooling ponds' shown in the photo even above that one.)

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/852fbda40576.jpg)

No wonder those discs were caught coming in for a look, like 'check this out, look what these idiots are doing with this stuff!"

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:38:57 pm
posted on 21-4-2011

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that another top 10 destination was -Oak Ridge, TN.-

In fact the map I am now creating showing the top destinations is a real eye opener.
 
While Hanford and Oak Ridge are fairly well known (these days) as obvious targets of interest, many others were not well known to me, and as I started researching those areas, now- declassified information makes it easy to see why they were chosen.

For example I come across a 1947 sighting in Chalk River, Ontario.
Never heard of the place... did a quick check on it and -gulp-!  :o

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:43:44 pm
posted on 21-4-2011

... or how about The White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico, whose location should be of obvious interest:

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June 29 1947 - White Sands, New Mexico - 1:30 P.M. MST

EVENING STAR (Washington, DC) 7/9


Saucer Seen By Rocket Expert, Flight Over Desert Described


Three naval research scientists involved in guided missile development were all in a car headed northeast down Route 17 to the White Sands proving grounds to examine a launching site for a July 3rd V-2 test, when they had their attention drawn upward by a flash.

All three men, and Curtis Rockwood's wife who was in the car, observed "a silvery disc whirling through the unclouded sky."

John Kauke was driving and became so overwhelmed by the sight that he stopped the car.

They then estimated the disc's altitude between 8,000 and 10,000 feet and were especially attracted by its bright surface.

They agreed its shape appeared elliptical and flat.

Dr. Zohn, a well-known rocket expert, stated that the object did not look like any rocket he had ever seen and that it could not have been a balloon.

(Dr. C.J. Zohn reported their observation to Army Intelligence with supporting testimony from fellow scientists Curtis C. Rockwood and John R. Kauke.)


(So not only was the Trinity site of interest, so was the current delivery systems (V-2 launch) available for such material.)


Also this report from Major Donald Keyhoe:

July 8 at Muroc Air Force Base, where TS planes and devices are tested, six fast moving silvery-white saucers were seen by pilots and ground officers.

Both a Navy rocket expert (Dr. Robert B. McLaughlin) and an engineer (Charles B. Moore) who were there, each independently reported the same incident at White Sands where they had seen four saucers in that area.

The first saucer was tracked by White Sands observers with a theodolite. Then they worked out it's performance with ballistics
formulas as being fifty miles up and making over fifteen thousand mph.  :o

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Imagine the look on the face of the Pentagon generals as they sat down to their daily morning reports, and their eyes bugged out and choked on their coffee as they saw what locations all the flying disc's were showing up at each day!  ;D

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:46:24 pm

Several interesting names and dates here:

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I wonder how the "talk" at the Lyons club went?  ;D


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:48:33 pm

lme7898354 posted on 23-4-2011

For me the proof of something gone arye is the fact that after the crash at Roswell, ATT labs suddenly comes up with the invention of the transistor. I am an electronic technician and for my it is a far cry to go from the idea of vaccuum technology to using a device based on silicon sand as the basis for operation. That would be about the same as going from horse and buggy technology to have flying cars. I really makes you wonder.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 13, 2011, 11:50:04 pm

posted on 23-4-2011     

Originally posted by lme7898354

Quote
For me the proof of something gone arye is the fact that after the crash at Roswell, ATT labs suddenly comes up with the invention of the transistor. I am an electronic technician and for my it is a far cry to go from the idea of vaccuum technology to using a device based on silicon sand as the basis for operation. That would be about the same as going from horse and buggy technology to have flying cars. I really makes you wonder.

Yes those of us involved with the electronics field are more acutely aware of what the "state of the art" was in various time periods than most. And having disc- shaped craft with no aerodynamic features that can go 15,000 mph and cut corners on a dime was simply not possible for any earthly technology in 1947 (or even today).

As I understand it, of the 2 men credited with the invention of the transistor, one of which was still alive after Colonel Corso published his book, The Day After Roswell.

When questioned about his invention in relation to Corso's statement, he replied "Actually we had some help on that one."

I have not seen any follow- up reports on this cryptic statement.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:15:26 am


posted on 23-4-2011   

June 28 1947 - Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST

USAF FILES


Maxwell Air Base - Four Army Air Corps officers including 2 pilots and 2 intelligence officers, watched a strangely maneuvering light over the base.

Captain William H. Kayko, Captain John H. Cantrell, First Lt. Theodore Dewey, and Captain Redman watched the bright light for 25 minutes. It was first seen to the west, close to the horizon, in the clear moonlight.

It approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed.

In five minutes the light had approached to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south...
they heard no noise.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:17:40 am

posted on 23-4-2011
   

July 2 1947 - Cincinnati, Ohio - 8:00 P.M. EST

CINCINNATI POST (Ohio) 7/7
COLUMBUS CITIZEN (Ohio) 7/7
CINCINNATI ENQUIRER (Ohio) 7/8


Over a hundred spectators at an amateur ball game in Cincinnati saw two of 'the discs' move slowly over the field on the evening of July 2nd.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:21:07 am

posted on 23-4-2011     

July 4 1947 - Twin Falls, Idaho - 2:50 p.m. MST

SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5
AP in many papers for 7/5


A. E. Mitchell, of Goose Creek, Texas, was visiting relatives in Twin Falls when, during a July 4th outing at Twin Falls Park, seven miles east of the city, he was one of seven persons who reported seeing a group of disc—like objects in a rough V-formation flying overhead to the west.

They were flying high and at great speed, Mitchell reported.

About ten minutes later, Mitchell and a group of others, now totaling more than twenty, saw a second flight of nine or ten objects circling overhead in a loose formation. The objects gained altitude rapidly and, when almost out of sight, were seen proceeding westward.

All the witnesses agreed that the objects were not in any well—defined formation while climbing.

At 3:10 p.m., with a sizeable crowd of now nearly sixty persons peering skywards, a third group was seen circling and climbing.
Mitchell reported that "I distinctly counted 18 before they climbed so high only two or three could be seen."

He said that these objects too, were last seen moving westward, putting on a burst of speed as they departed.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:22:19 am

posted on 23-4-2011 @ 06:52 PM     this post   

July 1 - Dallas, Texas - 12:45 P.M CST

OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/3


Tom Dean, traveling between Dallas and Fort Worth said he and his wife and daughter saw a disc-shaped object "going like blue blazes from northeast to southwest at cloud level."

Dean recounted that it resembled a flattened—out balloon as it zoomed by in a matter of only fifteen seconds.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:25:34 am

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July 4 - Lake City, Washington - 5:30 P.M. PST

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/5
AP & UP in nearly all papers, 7/5
USAF Files

Coast Guardsman Snaps Photo of Flying Saucer


Alerted by a group of neighbors who had spotted a disc-like object approaching the northern Seattle suburb from the south, Yeoman Frank Ryman, of the Coast Guard Press Information office in Seattle, dashed into his house and grabbed his Speed Graphic camera.

Before taking the photo he had a chance to view the disc through binoculars and estimated it to be traveling northward at about 10,000 feet —— somewhere around 500 miles per hour.

Ryman said that the object was in sight for four or five minutes and was observed by at least 20 others in the neighborhood with Ryman as he lowered his field glasses and replaced them with a camera.

He waited until the disc was directly overhead before taking a photograph...

It was flashing silver in the sun, about one-tenth the apparent size of a full moon," he reported later.

He said the gleaming disc appeared to change course slightly in its northern flight. "As the object hurtled through the sky," he said, "it seemed brighter at certain times than at others. I believe it was the way the sun hit it."

He heard no noise, no sound of engines.

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:28:13 am

July 4 1947 - Greenwood Lake, Washington - 5:30 P.M. PST

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/8


At the residential area of Greenwood Lake in north Seattle, Washington Mr. Larson sighted a -
round white object descend vertically, then make a 90° turn and proceed horizontally flying toward the south.

Two more people at the nearby University of Washington campus also saw the object:

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:29:28 am
posted on 23-4-2011


July 4 1947 - Boise, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. MST

BOISE DAILY STATESMAN (Idaho) 7/5
SAN FRANCISCO NEWS (UP, Boise) (California) 7/5
CINCINNATI POST (UP, Seattle) (Ohio) 7/5
CLEVELAND PRESS (UP) (Ohio) 7/5
DETROIT FREE PRESS (UP) (Michigan) 7/5
BOSTON TRAVELER (Massachusetts) 7/5
WINDSOR DAILY STAR (Ontario) 7/5


Newsman and Wife See Idaho Discs

John Corlett, manager of the Idaho United Press and a fifteen-year veteran reporter, who was sitting in his garden with his wife and two friends, reported that they had seen a single disc—like object which crossed the sky in a matter of three or four seconds.

Mr. Corlett reported: "Before dark last night, as my wife and I and two friends were relaxing after dinner, a tiny white disc — one of the mysterious 'saucers' — scudded across the sky at a terrific speed.

In just about the time it takes to turn your head, the silver object was nearly out of sight.

Both my wife and I and our guests, Mr. and Mrs. V. H. Selby, caught a glimpse of the tiny object. There was no noise —— absolutely none that we could hear, either before or after the disc shot by.

At one point in its progress the disc was almost overhead.

Until last night, I didn't believe in them. But now I know those 'saucers' aren't just a myth, part of someone's imagination.

It took seeing them with my own eyes to believe it."

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:31:07 am
posted on 23-4-2011



July 5 1947 - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - 11:30 A.M. EST

NUFORC Sighting Report


Six craft observed that brought people out of their homes to look up.


I was 13 years of age. It was a very clear Saturday morning in the Olney section of Philadelphia, Pa. I am sure it was Saturday because people were taking groceries from their cars.

We were playing a childhood game called wireball that involved throwing a tennis ball at the power line wires. As I reared back to throw the ball, I saw something flash in the sky and stopped to get a better look. The object that I saw was round, flat, very shiny (like polished aluminum) and proceeded in a southwesterly direction.

"A flying saucer," I yelled." The other kids all looked up and one of them said, "Where?" I pointed up and said, "There." Then he pointed and said, "I see it." I said, "Not there... There!" But when I looked at where he was pointing, there was another one. Well, we counted a total of six saucers. All were very high and flying in the same direction with no apparent formation.

As they flew they would turn over slowly so that you would see them edgewise and they would occassionaly shoot off to the right or left but would maintain their southwesterly course.

We created such a clamour that people came out of their homes and looked up. I feel sure that at least twenty people must have seen these craft.

I learned very quickly shortly after this happening that you didn't speak of this to anyone that wasn't there that day. If you did you were immediately dubbed "the kid that saw the little green men from Mars".

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:32:13 am
posted on 24-4-2011
   

Daily headlines and now this.
It looks like it was getting so you couldn't even go for groceries without seeing the flying saucers.

No wonder the Colonel from A-2 Division had to present 'a talk to counteract the growing hysteria towards flying discs'.

I would love to hear that one!

But obviously 'the hysteria' was growing... enough to the point where it was noted in the base log book.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:34:06 am
posted on 24-4-2011


I think at this point we have reached the crux of the biscuit.

Once the origin of the saucers was determined via the recovered craft and crew in New Mexico, the "reasonable justification" (i.e. public "hysteria") for the beginning and official creation of a TS government branch to deal with the situation now in their hands was duly noted and action taken.

Hysteria was thick and getting worse every day. Obviously the public was not ready to handle news of this magnitude. So... 'at least for now...' it was deemed necessary hide the news (and hardware) at all costs.
The potential military advantages and implications alone made this worth hiding.

Also current religion would have been vaporized by this revelation. And there is no denying that religion continues to play a huge role even in the struggles of today's world. This majority population was, and continues to be a consideration.

Has 'the public' changed so much since then and are now ready for this information? I think the range of comments you see posted in various forums on the net answers that question.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:35:05 am
posted on 24-4-2011

   

June 24 1947 - Joliet, Illinois - 1:50 P.M. CST

CHICAGO TIMES (Illinois) 6/27


Railroad engineer Charles Kastl saw a peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects "going faster than any planes I ever saw” in a stretched out line formation at about 4,000 feet flying north to south.

"I could see no connecting link between them," Kastl reported, "but they acted as though the leading disc had a motor in it to power the others, because when it flipped, the others would, too. When it would right itself, the others would right themselves."

When asked by newsmen if he had been drinking, he answered sternly, "I was on my way to work, and you know a railroad man never touches the stuff on or before duty hours."

His friends and neighbors all agreed that Kastl was not the sort of man given to telling tall stories.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:36:18 am
posted on 24-4-2011

 

June 24 1947 - Richland, Washington - 2:30 P.M. PST

RICHLAND VILLAGER (Washington) 7/3


Flying Disks Are Seen Here


Leo Bernier reported several silvery-shaped discs high in the sky heading west by southwest.

He stated they were traveling as fast as a P-38 fighter or about 400 miles per hour, and also

"I believe it may be a visitor from another planet."


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:38:45 am

posted on 24-4-2011

June 24 1947 - Mt. Rainier, Washington - 2:50 P.M. PST

NORMAN TRANSCRIPT (Oklahoma) 6/26


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Bug-Eyed Salesman Reports Fast-Flying Mystery Planes


PENDLETON, Ore., June 26 -- (U.P.)-- Residents of Pendleton sought an explanation today for the nine strange "saucer-shaped" planes an amateur pilot claimed he saw flying at an estimated speed of 1,200 miles an hour across southwestern Washington.

The story was told by Kenneth Arnold, flying fire extinguisher salesman from Boise, Ida.

He landed here, slightly bug-eyed, Wednesday and told how he spotted the "extremely shiny nickle-plated aircraft" skimming along at 10,000 feet on Tuesday. Arnold was on a search for a missing Marine corps plane at the time.

"They were shaped like saucers and were so thin I could barely see them," he told Jack Whitman, a local businessman.

"There were nine of them and they were flying in a screwy formation about 25 miles away from me. It wasn't any military formation I ever saw before.

"I figure they were moving about 1,200 miles per hour because I clocked them with a stop watch during the time it took them to fly from Mount Rainer to Mount Adams. That's 42 miles and they made it in one minute 42 seconds -- about 1,205 mph."

Arnold said the strange aircraft were skittering across the southwest slope of Mount Rainier when he first sighted them.

Whitman suggested tactfully, that Arnold had been seeing things but the pilot insisted, "I must be believe my eyes."


There was no comment from military authorities on Arnold's story.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:39:47 am
posted on 24-4-2011



June 24 1947 - Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST

PHOENIX REPUBLIC (Arizona) 6/26


(AP) -- Pendleton, Oregon - This morning prospector Fred M.Johnson in the Hood River region of the Cascade Mountains of Oregon sighted five or six discs flying silently overhead, heading toward the southeast.

He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.

His watch also stopped running.


(In FBI files Johnson stated that they flew off faster than anything he had seen before, and resembled no object he had been witness to in his 40 years of prospecting the mountains.)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:41:14 am
posted on 24-4-2011

Think you've ever taken grief for talking about UFO's?... Try this on for size:


June 27 1947 - SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (Washington)

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:42:20 am
posted on 24-4-2011

   

July 4 1947 - Santa Monica, California - 5:00 P.M. PST

HOLLYWOOD CITIZEN-NEWS (California) 7/5
LOS ANGELES HERALD-EXPRESS 7/5
YUMA SUN & ARIZONA SENTINEL (Arizona) 7/5
CINCINNATI TIMES-STAR (AP) 7/5
CHICAGO HERALD-AMERICAN (INS, Seattle) (ILLINOIS) 7/5
SALT LAKE CITY DESERET NEWS (AP) (Utah) 7/5
SAN FRANCISCO EXAMINER (INS) (California) 7/6
LOS ANGELES EXAMINER (California) 7/6
CHICAGO SUNDAY TIMES (Illinois) 7/6


"Fliers Get Close Up -- One Says Ovals "Scared Him Silly"


Pilot Dan J. Whelan, and companion Duncan Underhill, had taken off from the Santa Monica Airport in a private plane, bound for San Diego.

Twenty-five miles to the south, while flying at an altitude of 5,000 feet, they saw a disc-shaped object "catapulting across the sky" toward the northwest on a steady course at about 7,000 feet.

"It was traveling 400 to 500 miles an hour," Whelan said. "It was not spinning, but looked exactly like a skeet" (a rifle practice target).

Both he and Underhill estimated the disc was "about 40 to 50 feet in diameter."




Whelan admitted to the press that the appearance of the object "scared me silly."
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:43:17 am
posted on 24-4-2011



July 4 1947 - Between Emmett, Idaho and Ontario, Oregon - 9:04 P.M. MST

OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/5
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5
OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/5 & 7/6
BOISE DAILY STATESMAN (Idaho) 7/5 & 7/6
CHICAGO TIMES (AP, Boise) (Illinois) 7/5, 7/7
LOS ANGELES EXAMINER (AP) (California) 7/5
NEW YORK HERALD-TRIBUNE (AP) 7/6
AP, UP & INS in nearly all papers for 7/5 & 7/6


Flying Disc Mystery Grows As Airline Crew Spots 5 More


United Air Lines Flight 105 left Gowan Field, Boise, bound for Seattle with Captain Emil J. Smith at the controls and First Officer Ralph Stevens in the co-pilot's seat.

Before they boarded the plane in Boise, someone had asked them if they had seen any flying saucers, and Smith jokingly retorted, "I'll believe them when I see them."

Eight minutes later, both he and Stevens were converted into believers.

As they flew over Emmett, Idaho, approaching a cruising altitude of about 7,000 feet, Stevens reached over to blink his landing lights, believing he had seen a plane ahead at about the same level as the airliner. He called Smith's attention to it.

They immediately saw four more, arranged in a "loose formation."

"At first I thought it was a group of light planes returning from some Fourth of July celebration," said Smith, "but then I realized the things were not aircraft, but were flat and circular."

Not believing their eyes, they called the stewardess, Miss Marty Morrow, forward. Without telling her what to look for, they directed her attention to the sky ahead of them. Looking out the cockpit window, Miss Morrow exclaimed, "why, there's a formation of those flying discs!"

The objects appeared "huge" and were dark grey, silhouetted against the bright evening sky.

The pilots thought they were much larger than ordinary aircraft... The discs were "smooth on the bottom, and rough on top," according to the witnesses.

As soon as Miss Morrow had confirmed their observation, Smith called the control tower at Ontario, Oregon, giving his position and flight direction. He asked the tower operators to step outside to see if they could see anything unusual in the direction from which the plane was approaching. The tower operators saw nothing, which led Smith to believe that the discs were larger and farther away than they originally estimated -- possibly as far away as 30 miles.

The objects appeared to "merge," and then disappeared to the northwest. No sooner had they gone out of sight when another group came into view to the left and ahead of them.

By this time the airliner had reached its cruising altitude of 8,000 feet, and was flying over rugged country toward the Blue Mountains, in eastern Oregon.

In the second group, the discs were arranged in a straight line, three together and the fourth off by itself. "This group seemed to be higher than our flight path," reported the pilot, "and when they did leave, they left fast!"

The nine objects had been in view for at least twelve minutes, seen over a distance of more than 45 miles. Smith was certain that the objects had to be considerably larger than a DC-3 to have been seen for such a great distance.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:44:30 am

posted on 24-4-2011     



July 5 1947 - Albany, Oregon - 3:20 P.M. PST

OREGONIAN (AP) (Portland) 7/6
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/6
AP & UP in many papers for 7/6


Ted Tannich and William Lemon, said they saw a silvery, disc—shaped object flying in a straight course to the south.

The disc made a sudden stop, reversing its course almost instantaneously and moved back north.

The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds, according to the witnesses.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:45:15 am
posted on 24-4-2011

   

July 5 1947 - Zanesville, Ohio - 8:55 P.M. EST

COLUMBUS DISPATCH (AP, Zanesville 7/5) (Ohio) 7/6
SALT LAKE CITY TRIBUNE (AP, Zanesville 7/5) (Utah) 7/6


Weather observer and CAA Communications Operator Miss Barry Peruzzo, at the Zanesville Airport control tower, said that she had seen two disc—like objects flying over the field about ten minutes apart.

She reported that she had seen the first "fairly oval" object while she was checking the ceiling visibility, one of her duties. "I had just stepped outside when the first object came over at about 5,000 feet," she said, "it was flying under the ceiling of clouds. The second disc followed it five or ten minutes later".

"They went very fast, headed in a northeasterly direction," she added. The witness declined to estimate the speed of the objects, as she was uncertain of their size.

"I saw them for only about 15 seconds at a time," she said. She heard no noise.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:46:28 am

posted on 24-4-2011



July 5 1947 - Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST

CAMBRIDGE DAILY BANNER (Maryland) 7/7


Mrs. Scott Jones, daughter, and children witnessed a "shooting star" turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company in Cambridge.

It then turned again in an opposite direction.




Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:01:07 am
posted on 24-4-2011


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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:08:22 am

posted on 24-4-2011

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
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I'va always found it interesting a lot of UFO activity being reported in the US very soon after the nazi scientists were brought to the US like von braun...

Yes I would imagine that Werner Von Braun and his fellow Operation Paperclip scientists who arrived in late 1945 and early 1946 at Fort Bliss, Texas:

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were responsible for several 'reports of UFO activity' in that area, since their TS modified V-2 project was producing a new type of aerial display never seen before.

However those would not account for - not only the bodies and craft recovered at Roswell - , they could not account for the manuevers we see described in these newspaper accounts, such as:

A year and a half after arriving at Fort Bliss is hardly time to create and develop technology that violates the laws of physics, such as disc shaped craft with no aerodynamic surface controls performing speeds of 15,000 mph and cutting 90° corners without slowing down, and also sudden instantaneous vertical ascent into space.

I also doubt they would continually buzz their own cities and military installations with these craft, increasing the public hysteria day by day.

However you can be sure that Von Braun was more interested than most, in these 1947 saucer sighting reports of incredible manuevers at unimaginable speeds, and read the daily reports with great curiosity.

In fact he would be an obvious expert for The Pentagon to consult on what these new mystery discs might be.

And already having active TS clearances for his work, he would be ready to go on any sudden field trips that might arise, such as the one related by Clark C. McClelland:


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During the periodic MFA (Manned Flight Awareness) meetings that were held at Cocoa Beach, I was able to talk freely and briefly with such scientists, particularly Dr. von Braun.

"On one such occasion, he and I had taken a break and stepped out of the Cocoa Beach Ramada Inn into the back patio. I admitted that I was aware that he and his German Scientific team were located not too far from the crash site at that time. They were launching captured V-2 rockets from the White Sands Testing Range.

On this night, I asked him a question concerning the Roswell Incident that caused his eyebrows to raise.

Did the Roswell Incident in fact happen, was an alien craft recovered along with alien bodies? Did you have a chance to go to the crash site?"

Von Braun lit a cigarette, thought for a second, and then began to discuss the crash openly.

He trusted me to hear such astonishing events because I vowed to not report it to newspapers, magazines, television, etc. I never broke that vow. Since he is deceased, and the incident happened over fifty years ago, I am now disclosing what I heard...

Dr. von Braun explained how he and his associates had been taken to the crash site after most of the military were pulled back. They did a quick analysis of what they found.

He told me the craft did not appear to be made of metal as we know metal on earth. He said it seemed to be created from something biological, like skin. I was lost as to what he indicated, other than thinking perhaps the craft was "alive."

The recovered bodies were temporarily being kept in a nearby medical tent. They were small, very frail and had large heads. Their eyes were large. Their skin was grayish and reptilian in texture. He said it looked similar to the skin texture of rattle snakes he'd seen several times at White Sands.

His inspection of the debris had even him puzzled: very thin, aluminum colored, like silvery chewing gum wrappers. Very light and extremely strong.

The interior of the craft was nearly bare of equipment, as if the creatures and craft were part of a single unit.

That's when I became lost in the moment. We returned to the awards ceremony, in which he participated, later bidding farewell. I went home with my head spinning from all I had heard."

http://www.rense.com/general77/vbraun.htm (http://www.rense.com/general77/vbraun.htm)

It is therefore no suprise that we find the final following quote:

"Wernher Von Braun knew about the extraterrestrial issue." -
Dr. Carol Rosin, spokesperson for Wernher Von Braun last years of his life.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:10:08 am
Condemned0625 posted on 25-4-2011   

reply to post by A51Watcher



Damn. I had no idea that he was at the crash site. This information you provided greatly increases the legitimacy of the crash. I wonder what kinds of excuses skeptics would have for that. There's too many identical testimonies from people who were there when it happened and they all can't be dismissed.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:13:14 am
posted on 2-5-2011



July 4 1947 - Portland and Milwaukee, OR, and Vancouver, WA - 1:05 P.M. PST

OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/5


Radio newsman Frank Cooley of station KOIN, INS wire service employees in the Portland Oregon Journal Building, Clark County Sheriff's Deputy Fred Krives, Deputy Clarence McKay, Sgt. John Sullivan, Portland Police Officer Kenneth A. McDowell, Harbor Patrol Capt. K. A. Prahn, Harbor Patrolmen A. T. Austad and K. C. Hoff, Portland Police Officers Earl J. Patterson, Walter A. Lissy and Robert Ellis, Oregon Highway Patrol Sgt. Claude Cross, and many others over a wide area, for 30-90 seconds saw 5 large discs moving at high speed to the E, 2 flying S and 3 to the E, with oscillating or wobbling motion, sudden 90° turns or zigzagging.

Radio reports alerted other officers who saw the objects, aluminum or chromium color, disc or hubcap or pie-pan or half-moon shape flashing in the sun, no vapor trail, no noise (except possible humming), some at 10,000-40,000 ft others at about 1,000 ft.

McDowell noticed pigeons reacted. Sullivan, McKay and Krives noted low humming sound and reported 20-30 objects. Cooley reported 12 discs at about 20,000 ft.

Patterson, Lissy and Ellis were pilots.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:16:55 am
posted on 2-5-2011



July 4 1947 - Portland, Oregon - 1:05 P.M. PST

Los Angeles Herald-Express, (INS, Portland) California 7/5


While others were reporting seeing discs all over the city, Frank Cooley, formerly a Marine Corps observer, and employed by radio station KOIN in Portland, confirmed the numerous reports of disc-shaped objects.

Cooley reported seeing twelve of the objects flying overhead at an estimated altitude of 20,000 feet. He flatly declared they were "operated and maneuverable devices," and believed that they were larger than generally supposed,

"They plainly exercised maneuvers in the sky," Cooley said. "At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc. It was hard to follow their behavior exactly because of the great height, their gleaming surface and their nature." He said that they could only be seen clearly when "tilted to catch the sun's rays."

He was convinced, he added, that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control." He quickly dismissed suggestions that they might be ordinary, lightweight objects "tossed around by air currents."

At approximately the same time that Cooley made his observation, a number of similar objects were seen from the windows of the International News Service office in the Journal Building. INS employees said that "at first they appeared to be high-flying birds, as their motion undulated, (as if) some kind of wings propelled them," INS reported.

"They banked sharply and without apparent system of direction. Two objects were so high that reports of their disc-like appearance could not be verified, but they seemed to move with high speed.

They were last seen heading south after circling sharply over the west-side area."


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:20:49 am
Pimander posted on 2-5-2011

Quote
Originally posted by A51Watcher
In the period between Randle and Schmitt's first and second book, I asked Kevin how many witnesses we had so far. The answer was: 500+ first and second hand witnesses to either craft, wreckage or bodies[at Roswell, 1947].
 

According to Schmitt and Carey, they now have 600+ witnesses. They also have a deathbed affadavit from a key witness since you asked Randle. See Witness to Roswell

http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Roswell-Unmasking-60-Year-Cover-Up/dp/1564149439 (http://www.amazon.com/Witness-Roswell-Unmasking-60-Year-Cover-Up/dp/1564149439)

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:22:16 am
posted on 2-5-2011
reply to post by Pimander



Hi Pimander, thanks for posting that. I tend to believe -The Men Who Were Actually There- such as Walter Haut, much more than armchair quarterbacks whose "research" consists of google. 

But actually I did post his testimony here several pages back, but it sort of got lost in the shuffle during a "Nazi UFO" debate raging at the time here about whether these Roswell flying saucers were ET in origin or not. In fact I did not even finish posting the -The Men Who Were Actually There- testimony series I was working on at the time.

I decided to wait until after posting all the various newsclips during this period that have come to light. These sightings provide the backdrop and context for the events that were about to occur at Roswell. As several members have commented, the weather balloon excuse now looks laughable in light of all these sightings.

While still alive, Walter publicly stated several times "If you were a soldier of my vintage, you learned to do as you were told, and keep your mouth shut. (Loose lips sink ships, etc.) Especially (later on) when your retirement pension is on the line."

Thus pre- answering why he did not reveal his testimony while alive.

He and Colonel Blanchard were actually old friends dating back to when they were both pilots during WWII and flew their missions out of Roswell Army Air Field for the 509th squadron , and is the reason Colonel Blanchard gave him a tour of the craft, wreckage and bodies.

Thanks again for posting that important item, and anything else I might miss as we go along.

Cheers

 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:50:11 am
posted on 2-5-2011

 

By now we have obviously reached the date of the amazing -

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07/05/47 - OREGON JOURNAL - PORTLAND POLICE SEE DISKS SAIL

headline shown in the OP.


At this point we now get a rare glimpse as to what the military was up to behind the scenes.

The following declassified US Army-Air Force documents give some pretty important indications:

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We can see it was prepared by:
The Commanding General (4rth AF) at Hamilton Field, (California)

and sent to:
The Commanding General, Army Air Forces, (Washington, D.C.)

"in compliance with letter from: Headquarters Air Defense Command"
(Mitchel Field, New York).

(Has anyone seen this mysterious 'letter' ?)

And what was attached to this report, as indicated, are actual -hand typed verbatim copies- (not copies of the clippings or the clippings themselves) of the flying disc newspaper reports from my home town (in Oregon),

PORTLAND POLICE SEE DISCS SAIL

Also attached are in- depth, follow- up interviews conducted privately by unknown personnel, with each of the officers and the harbor- master listed in the articles.


All of which indicates what was to be done (discreetly), as laid out in the "letter" referenced above,
as ordered by - Headquarters Air Defense Command (New York).


Here now are the declassified AAF documents:

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oops!  :o 


Now how did THAT get in there? I thought I said declassified documents!

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Ahh... that's better!  ;D

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This of course now begs the question:

How many bases and facilities received this mysterious 'letter'...
and then in turn how many various reports were typed and sent to Washington, D.C. as the above case was.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:53:03 am
posted on 4-5-2011



(ed note: Idaho Statesman aviation editor, Dave Johnson was a former AAF B-29 pilot.)


July 6 1947 - Boise, Idaho

LEWISTON DAILY TRIBUNE (Idaho) 7/7


Idaho Newsman-Pilot Given 'Dream Assignment'

'Get Picture of Saucers Or Bring One Back Alive'-


By DAVE JOHNSON (Idaho Statesman Aviation Editor)
(AP) -- Flew instruments this afternoon for a couple of hours with the Idaho national guard. A lieutenant colonel sat up in front and watched for discs while I struggled with the gauges and the radio beam.

We got back into Gowen field's pattern, and the control tower called to report some people in Ontario, Ore., had told the CAA they saw some saucers wheeling through the sky.

Now, there's one thing about these saucers. I've never seen one, so on the way home I dropped into the Statesman office with an idea. That was to take the Early-Bird No. 3, our airplane, and be up tonight and prowl around the airways, just looking.


Gets Expense Dough

I broached that to the city editor and blew the foam off of it, and a you-know-what look spread over his face, just like somebody had tossed a brick into a mud puddle.

He talked for a few minutes and I listened. The upshot of it was that I walked out of the office with expense dough in my pocket and a date with Kenneth Arnold, the Boise man who two weeks ago saw the discs come roaring around Mt Rainier in Washington.

I have one of those things called a general assignment. I'm going disc hunting with Arnold in the Statesman plane.


Started In Idaho

The city editor had said: "Dave, I was just about to give you a call and discuss this damn saucer business with you. The thing started here in Boise with Arnold and it is getting out of hand. The wire services are moving more copy on it than any single story in years except the war, and no ' one knows any more about it now than when they were doubting this fellow Arnold who first reported seeing whatever it is that is being looked at, real or imaginary."

"As I said before, this business started in Boise and it is up to us if we can do it to help get it brought down to earth. I hope you can lasso one of the damn things and bring it in for display, but on the other hand, it might be a good idea to be ready to duck if you see something skipping along."


Dream Assignment

I might interject here that the boss doesn't fly. "Crank up your airplane," he said, "and go up around the Hanford atom plant area in Washington and stay there until you either find something or give it up. See if this fellow Arnold wants to go along (he jumped at the chance) and take the best camera equipment you can find and stay as long as you want to."

Such an assignment- stay as long as you want to- is not to be accepted lightly. "Fly around that area," said the city editor, "because my hunch is that if these things can come from any place they are coming from some project like Hanford. The army has denied this possibility but the army has been making denials a major business for years.

In one case an Army man said there's nothing to get excited about, "if there were anything to the saucers the army would have notified us." Also... Good Luck! If you see anything that answers the description—or the hundreds of descriptions-- grab a picture and high-tail for Boise." "Oh yes," he added. "Good luck to you."

They take the insurance out of my check. I phoned Arnold. We are taking off bright and early in the morning. Arnold has a new movie camera with a telephoto lens and we're fortified for pictures.


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From somewhere up in eastern Washington tomorrow night you'll hear from us, providing, of course, we don't run into something that proves these reports to be the McCoy and it runs over us.

The city desk says he'll stand behind us.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:09:36 am

posted on 6-5-2011     

July 9 1947 - Boise, Idaho - 12:15 P.M. MST

BOISE DAILY STATESMAN (Idaho) 7/10, 7/11
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER (AP, Boise,7/9, 7/10) (Washington) 7/10, 7/11
SEATTLE TIMES (AP, Boise) (Washington) 7/10
AP in numerous papers for 7/10


On his third day of aerial search for flying objects, on assignment for his newspaper, the Idaho Daily Statesman, pilot-newsman Dave Johnson's search paid off.

While circling Gowan Field at 14,000 feet, preparing to land after having spent the morning searching in vain, he saw a dark object against a massive cloudbank to the east of Boise.

"I turned the airplane broadside to it and pulled back the Plexiglas canopy so there would be no distortion. The object was still there. It was rising sharply and jerkily toward the top of the towering bank of alto-cumulus and alto-stratus clouds.

At that moment it was so round in shape I thought it was a balloon. The object was turning so that it presented its edge to me. It then appeared as a straight black line. Then, with its edge still toward me, it shot straight up, rolled over (at) the top of this maneuver, and I lost sight of it."

Johnson said that at one point during his observation, which lasted 45 seconds, he saw "the sun flash from it."

Later in the afternoon Johnson discovered that at about 2:00 p.m. ground observers at Gowan Field had seen an object similar to the one he reported. Observers included National Guard pilots Warren Noe, Bob Ayers, and Ferm Sabala, the latter a Guard photographer.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:11:16 am
posted on 6-5-2011



July 10 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey - Early A.M. EST

MORRISTOWN DAILY RECORD (New Jersey) 7/11


Six daylight discs observed from aircraft


John H. Janssen, editor of the Daily Record reported that on the preceding morning he "caught a glint in the sky and saw a formation of six luminous spherical craft, with hazy rings around them flying in a trail at about 10,000 feet in the sky" above him.

He grabbed his camera and "quickly fitted a filter to his camera lens" -

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"I had only time for this one picture. While I was turning the film for the next exposure the lead disc suddenly shot upward and toward New York City in a dazzling burst of speed. The other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye."

"In my brief glimpse of the discs I did notice that the lead one was of a dull metallic color and the others appeared to be of a silvery hue."

"From where I stood on the top of my car watching the strange craft," he said, "I guessed them to be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet in diameter. The circumference was the thinnest part of the ships and widened toward the middle where possibly they could be ten to twenty feet high.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:14:40 am

posted on 6-5-2011



July 23 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey

NICAP

http://www.nicap.org/morristown.htm (http://www.nicap.org/morristown.htm)


John H. Janssen stated "While my eyes played over the horizon, I became aware of a shaft of light that seemed like that of a photographer's flash bulb. It came from aloft, very high up. It was above that position over my plane's nose that flier's call 11 O'clock.

At first I thought it was merely the reflected sun bouncing off the sides of an exceedingly high flying aircraft. I gave it no more thought. But then the engine of my own plane began to perform peculiarly. It coughed and sputtered spasmodically.

So I pulled on the carburetor heat and gave it full throttle hoping to thaw any ice that might be accumulating in the carburetor. The engine emitted one final wheezing cough and then quit. Now, the nose of my plane, instead of dropping to a normal glide, remained... rigid... fixed on the horizon, in its normal level flight attitude.

Abruptly, I became aware that my plane was now defying the basic law of gravity. I became frightened and close to panic at so weird a predicament. I saw that the airspeed indicator was at zero! There was now an odd prickling, electric-like sensation coursing through my body.

I had an eerie feeling that I was being watched and examined by something that minutely studied my features, my clothing, and my airplane... I flicked a cold bead of perspiration from my eye. Then I saw it! Above and slightly beyond my left wing tip was a strange wraith-like craft, one of the flying objects!

Its flanged and protecting rim was dotted on either side with steamer-like portholes. It seemed to radiate a dull metallic hue that conveyed an impression of natural strength, and a super-intelligence not of this planet. It was motionless.

Perhaps a quarter of a mile away... beyond, and slightly higher, I could see another object, seemingly fixed in the sky. I assumed that the second strange ship was but waiting for the one nearest me to complete its examination.

Then I had the most unaccountable urge to reach up and snap on the magneto switch. I had turned it off when the engine quit. I switched both magnetos to the on position. Slowly the propeller began to turn... then the engine burst into a steady rhythmic roar. The plane nosed up into a stall, dropped off, picked up airspeed and steadied under control," recalled Mr. Janssen.

"I really believe these craft to be operated by an intelligence far beyond that developed by we earth-bound mortals and am inclined to agree with the theory that they are space craft from another planet...
In all probability these are reconnaissance craft and as they have been seen all over the world and not only in this country, are probably making a thorough study of us and our terrain and atmosphere before making any overtures."

He went on to theorize on possible magnetic and antigravity methods of propulsion to explain the acceleration of the objects.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:23:38 am

posted on 7-5-2011



It seems likely that the above report was torpedoed from being reported due to it's obvious inflammatory nature, done in the same manner as the Roswell reports that managed to reach the local media early on:


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AFFIDAVIT OF "JUD" ROBERTS


(1) My name is George "Jud" Roberts

(2) My address is:

(3) I am (X) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________

(4) In July 1947, I was a minority stockholder and manager of KGFL Radio in Roswell, New Mexico. We did an interview with W.W. "Mac" Brazel, the rancher who found some debris on his property. He hid him out at the home of the station owner, W.E. Whitmore, Sr., and recorded the interview on a wire recorder.

(5) The next morning, I got a call from someone in Washington, D.C. It may have been someone in the office of [Senators] Clinton Anderson or Dennis Chavez. This person said, "We understand that you have some information, and we want to assure you that if you release it, it's very possible that your station's license will be in jeopardy, so we suggest that you not do it." The person indicated that we might lose our license in as quickly as three days. I made the decision not to release the story.

(Whitmore's home was soon searched by the military and the wire recording confiscated.)

___________________________________________________________________________


The following day we have a hand- written document received by the FBI addressed to Mr. J. Edgar Hoover (obviously not from any underlings, who always first used the title 'Director' in any dispatch sent to his attention) from someone who seems to feel at ease advising 'Mr. Hoover' as to what is "wisest" for him to do:  :o

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It is inconceivable that in either case J. Edgar Hoover or a Senator would have undertaken such blatant actions on a whim of their own, without getting approval (or more likely orders) from their superior.


In fact chief of staff at 8th Army-Air Force Headquarters at Fort Worth, Texas - Brigadier General Thomas DuBose, (shown here on the right, posing solemnly along commanding Brigadier General Roger Ramey inspecting the remains of the weather balloon he had just had his staff demolish for the big picture opportunity)

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after many years of silence stated: "[It] was a cover story. The whole balloon part of it. That was the part of the story we were told to give to the public and news and that was it."

There can be NO doubt that the orders (and authority) to cover-up the saucer story (by any means deemed necessary as illustrated by the actions above),

came from our Chief Executive:

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who by then was fully aware of the true nature of the event at Roswell, and had then in turn authorized and directed which proposed actions were to be taken.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:28:28 am
posted on 7-5-2011

reply to post by spacedonk




Well hey there spacedonk! 

Thank -you- for taking the time to stop by and read my ramblings.  I am pleased to hear you find them enjoyable.

Comments from members are what let me know that someone is still reading. 

Yes I am continuing the plot map project, which involves not only where they are seen, but also researching why they might be visiting that location and adding that to the map.

I think we inadvertently tipped our hand as to where some of our interesting locations are, by having radar sites at sensitive locations. I am sure that the connection between radar sites and interesting stuff to look at quickly became apparent and a good sign post where to visit next, for example:

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Also having above- ground, open- air "cooling ponds" for radioactive rods was probably a red flag on somebody's scanning scope too.


In this current story arc through the reports you can see I chose to follow primarily the pilots, military men and scientists view of the sightings (oh yeah and the cops!)  ;D

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:31:49 am
posted on 16-5-2011



Is anyone starting to get the feeling that perhaps Roswell was not an isolated event that happened back in the dusty pages of history? 

I am getting the distinct impression that instead - it happened during the middle of a full- blown flying saucer invasion that had the public in a panic (and the military too), and lasted for several weeks.

Which as far as I have been able to determine, began on:

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March 30 1947 - Lutz, Florida - 11:00 A.M. EST

ORLANDO SENTINEL STAR (Florida) 7/6


Mrs. J. E. Harp, her seven-year-old daughter Sandra, and her mother Mrs. W. H. Brown saw several flying discs while driving. The discs were silvery colored and seemed to appear and disappear. They did not have time to count the number...

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and ended, (as far as we know) on:

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September 12 1947 - Necker Island - 1:00 A.M. local time

AAF FILE


A Pan American flight eastbound from Midway Island to Oahu.

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Just after passing Necker Island, the crew spotted an intense incandescent white light off the starboard side of their aircraft.

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At first the pilot thought it might be the navigation lights of another plane, but it was
far too bright for that.

The flight crew tracked the unknown object and determined it held a true course of 350 degrees while holding at a steady altitude of 9,500 feet. The captain estimated its distance from their aircraft at five miles.

But just as he took the plane off automatic pilot, the light approached within one mile, then it quickly veered off to a course of 190 degrees at which time the light split into two parts. The two separate orbs then changed to a less bright reddish hue and flew in a side-to-side formation until zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.

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(I think they might need to attend one of those 'talks' at the Lyons club.)  ;D

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:32:50 am
posted on 17-5-2011



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June 1 1947 - Grand Rapids, Michigan - Night EST

GRAND RAPIDS HERALD (Michigan) 7/1


Mrs. Inez Nostrant observed numerous bright luminous plate-sized objects flying in groups of two's and four's as high as planes over Grand Rapids.

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June 2 1947 - Waverly, Iowa - 1:30 P.M. CST

WATERLOO COURIER (Iowa) 7/10


An inverted saucer-shaped disc of brilliant metal was sighted by John Laube and Fred Platte in Waverly.

It flew just above the top of a 180-foot grain elevator at Waverly Sugar Manufacturing Plant. They had it in sight for five minutes before it was obscured by trees as it flew away.

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June 17 1947 - Madison, Wisconsin - Evening CST

MILWAUKEE JOURNAL (Wisconsin) 7/1
WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL 7/7


Professor Emeritus from the University of Wisconsin Dr. E.B. McGilvery saw a bright round luminous object, about two-thirds the size of the full moon...

-quite rapid
-left no trail of light as a meteor does,
-did not appear to be fiery
-looked like an "illuminated body."
-heading to the northeast

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June 19 1947 - Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Night CST

DES MOINES REGISTER (Iowa) 7/8


From his back yard, R.D. Taylor spotted eight to ten discs which were lighted from within as they zoomed over Cedar Rapids.

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June 20 1947 - Kelso, Washington

OREGONIAN (Portland) 6/28


Flying Saucer Story Grows

Mrs. Jerry Neels said she saw "bright and shiny" discs south of Kelso on the 20th.

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June 22 1947 - Greenfield, Massachusetts - 11:30 A.M. EST

US-AAF File - Weekly Intelligence Summary, ATC 7/30


Edward L. de Rose reported seeing a "brilliant, round-shaped silvery-white object" moving in a northwesterly direction over Greenfield.

It traveled at a high rate of speed somewhere at around 1,000 feet of altitude and "streaked across the sky" in a matter of only eight to ten seconds before vanishing from view.

He felt certain the mysterious craft could not have been a balloon and represented something very real when later filing this report with the A-2 section of Army Intelligence of the Atlantic Division.

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June 22 1947 - Portland, Oregon - 4 P.M. PST

OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 6/30


Lads Declare They Saw "Flying Disks"

Two boys Sunday said they saw "flying disks" speeding southeast of the Lambert Gardens shortly after 4 pm.

John Waymire and Freddie Hodge, both 13, telephoned the Journal that they observed the "disks" dipping and flashing in the sun.

They were flying very high, according to the boys, and appeared larger than a plane soaring near the earth.

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June 23 1947 - Hazel Green, Alabama

HUNTSVILLE TIMES (Alabama) 7/1


E.B. Parks and a dozen other witnesses saw two illuminated discs fly at terrific speed low over Hazel Green.

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A note of interest at this point -

While all the sightings in this post so far share the 'brilliant, bright, shiny' description, they are also all before Kenneth Arnold's sighting on the 24rth.

These people did indeed report them to the newspapers on the day they happened, but before Arnold no papers had published any sightings. After his sighting made nationwide headlines, they all now decided to publish any previous sighting reports they had in their possession.

(I always include the newspaper publish date along with the sighting date, so you can see the lag time.)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:46:55 am
posted on 27-5-2011

Originally posted by annella
reply to post by A51Watcher



Hi there annella 

Quote
Just so you know....the time and effort you have put into this thread since you began it a few months ago is really really appreciated by moi....


Well that's good enough for me! 


I personally find these sightings fascinating for a few different reasons:

I know what these people in the reports are talking about.

While others may have a hard time imagining what all these people mean by "catapulting across the sky", "terrific speed", "going like blue blazes", "speed like that of a shooting star", while at the same time "occasionally jumping sideways" or cutting 90° corners without slowing down...

I know exactly what they are describing. I have seen these same incredible maneuvers performed by "silvery discs" just as they did (including the odd flying circles around each other), with my own eyes, except for me it was 20 years later (as shown by the sighting in my signature).

And then -yet again- some 23 years later, out in the middle of the Nevada desert, as evidenced by my rants in a few other threads. 

Coincidence?

We did not then, and do not now, have the technology for even remote control 20 to 50 foot discs to go 15,000 mph and cut corners on a dime, or to suddenly stop and reverse course in mid- flight at such speeds.


So for me, this thread is much more interesting to work on since it is new information (to many of us anyway).


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:51:05 am

posted on 28-5-2011



I am also mapping the locations of the reports.

While mine is taking some time to complete while researching the location histories, here is one compiled by researcher Larry Hatch using his *U* UFO Database, based only on the 1947 reports he was aware of so far:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7cd9d11f4e45.jpg)






Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:53:50 am
posted on 11-6-2011
Originally posted by Pimander

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This thread shows that there was lots going on in the press....

Hi Pimander, yes indeed. And another interesting surprise is that - so far I have posted here not quite 10% of the reports I now have in my possession from that summer. Obviously much more was going on there than we have been led to believe.

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There were also unusually large numbers of fatal air accidents in the same time period which I will report to members soon. It shows that Roswell was part of something that seems to have been a lot bigger than is generally perceived.


I look forward to it. The most famous one I am aware of is the 2 AAF officers that interviewed Kenneth Arnold, and later while flying back from a different investigation crashed and were killed.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 02:58:47 am
zorgon posted on 10-7-2011
   

Heyyo_yoyo and Area51watcher...

We should all get together over at John's house one day and shoot the crap  ;D He doesn't get out much these days since we closed the mine. I am sure he would be up for it  ;)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:00:28 am
posted on 10-7-2011     

Originally posted by zorgon
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Heyyo_yoyo and Area51watcher...

We should all get together over at John's house one day and shoot the crap  He doesn't get out much these days since we closed the mine. I am sure he would be up for it
 


How about we keelhaul him on a road trip north/east from Hwy 375 and bring along a night vision cam?  ;D

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:03:33 am
zorgon posted on 10-7-2011


Might be a plan  ;D  He had a great set of Gen3 googles but we can't find them since we closed the mine cabin. Someone may have picked them up, or its buried in the garage somewhere. There were the $5G set  :( I'll call him today and see if they turned up yet

Jack Arneson was planning to come out this way and do some 'off roading' but its a little warm out there right now

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:04:39 am
posted on 10-7-2011

reply to post by zorgon


...and tell him to ask Bob what night the parade is these days.  ;D


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:09:34 am
Heyyo_yoyo posted on 10-7-2011     

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Originally posted by A51Watcher

How about we keelhaul him on a road trip north/east from Hwy 375 and bring along a night vision cam? 
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LMAO.... only if Art does a C2C covering the road trip   ;D  ;D  ;D

Note: contact at Arizona Charlies west...   ;D


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:11:02 am
zorgon posted on 10-7-2011

reply to post by Heyyo_yoyo


or George Knapp then we could coerce... errr request he let us release the other Bob Lazar interview  ;D


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:14:05 am
greyer posted on 10-7-2011

 
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Lytle told Hastings that in February 1953, with Blanchard now a general officer, they were in Alaska while Lytle’s wife was in Chicago about to give birth. Lytle was desperate to get home and Blanchard said that they could take an Air Force aircraft to Illinois, land at one of the bases close to Chicago and Lytle could get home from there.

While on the flight, somehow the subject of UFOs came up, maybe because of a couple of sightings at Elmendorf Air Force Base near Anchorage sometime earlier. Blanchard then told Lytle that an alien craft had crashed near Roswell. According to Hastings, Blanchard told Lytle that four bodies had been recovered.

Surprised by this, Hastings asked Lytle, "Blanchard actually told you that the Roswell object was an alien spacecraft."

Lytle said, "Oh, absolutely."


http://www.kochkyborg.de/Roswell/roswlle17.htm (http://www.kochkyborg.de/Roswell/roswlle17.htm)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 03:17:47 am
posted on 29-8-2011



For those following the early reports of Flying Saucer attraction to TS Atomic sites (such as Hanford discussed at length a few pages ago here), I recently came across one that certainly fits that category and indeed is dated 1945.


Mid- July 1945 - UFO SIGHTING OVER HANFORD NUCLEAR REACTOR

NICAP Case report


Radar detected a fast-moving object that was in a holding pattern directly above the Hanford plant.

It was extremely high and the pilots couldn't see it at first. As they rapidly increased altitude the pilots all spotted it at about the same time and headed directly for its position. None of them could recognize it, but they could see it well from their vantage point.

It had a saucer-like appearance, was bright, extremely fast, and very high.

The F6F had an operating ceiling of 37,000 feet, but on this day they exceeded that considerably and still couldn't get close enough. It didn't make any overt moves, gave no signals, just hovered there as if observing, staying well enough out of reach.

When some of the engines began to fail, and fuel consumption got critical, the planes returned to base one by one, and the strange craft disappeared as quickly as it came. The six F6F "Hellcats" made visual contact with the object described as the size of three aircraft carriers side by side, oval shaped, very streamlined like a stretched-out egg and pinkish in color.

The witness who filed this report said that some kind of vapor was being emitted around the outside edges from portholes or vents. The object was observed at noon in a clear sky at an estimated altitude of 65,000 feet. After hovering in a fixed position above the Hanford Nuclear Reactor for an additional twenty minutes, the object disappeared going straight-up as the six Hellcats limped back to the Pasco Naval Air Station (Washington).


http://www.nicap.org/45XXXXhanforddir.htm (http://www.nicap.org/45XXXXhanforddir.htm)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 11:53:54 am
posted on 31-8-2011



-continued-

One of the most interesting parts about that sighting is the date:

Mid- July 1945 - UFO SIGHTING OVER HANFORD NUCLEAR REACTOR

Huh? 


Hang on a sec, Hanford cooked up and supplied the Plutonium for the first Atomic Bomb test, called 'Trinity'.

Trinity was detonated on July 16 1945.


The B Reactor went critical September 26 1944.
720 grams was first delivered from Hanford to Los Alamos on February 5 1945.

The first 5 kilograms would be used to test the implosion system Los Alamos had invented.
Oppenheimer had his first 5 kilograms by May 18.

Matthias was able to inform Groves early in March that 10 kilograms of plutonium—enough for two bombs—would be ready for shipping between April 18 and... July 12.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 11:55:38 am
posted on 5-9-2011




June 24 1947 - Richland, Washington - 2:30 P.M. PST

RICHLAND VILLAGER (Washington) 7/3


Flying Disks Are Seen Here


Leo Bernier reported several silvery-shaped discs high in the sky heading west by southwest.

He stated they were traveling as fast as a P-38 fighter or about 400 miles per hour, and also
 
"I believe it may be a visitor from another planet."

__________________________________________________________________________


And so here we have a sighting at Richland, Washington... 20 minutes before Kenneth Arnold's sighting at Mt. Rainier, Washington which is very near by. You will recall that Richland was home to the Hanford Nuclear Reactor.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 11:57:26 am
posted on 11-9-2011



The Day After Arnold



June 25 - Pueblo, Colorado

NEW ORLEANS TIMES-PICAYUNE (Louisiana) 7/7


As Lloyd M. Lowry and his wife drove east near Pueblo, they "suddenly observed a strange oval-shaped object approaching at a high rate of speed."

The object was seen first at an estimated altitude of 2,000 feet, and descending rapidly toward the observers' car. It swooped down to 500 feet above the car.

Following this object was another similar one, approaching on the same course. "We were alarmed," Mr. Lowry reported.

"As the first one approached, we could see it revolving at tremendous speed on its axis, even faster than its forward flight."

As it reached a point just above and ahead of the car, "it suddenly veered off sharply to the right, and at the same time its companion did likewise."

The objects then disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds.

Mr. Lowry hesitated to make known their experience at first because he was afraid it would not be believed.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:00:09 pm
Pimander posted on 11-9-2011

reply to post by A51Watcher



The evidence of craft flying at incredible speeds in US air space is incredibly strong. I am amazed at the lack of any discussion of the implications of the evidence presented in this thread.... Maybe I should start the ball rolling?

Does anyone reading this thread (come on I know you're following it really) have a credible explanation for the data presented in this thread?

The hoax idea is one worth dismissing right here. The scale of hoax required would be of such epic proportion and involve so many people as to be unimaginable. So if the reports are of real bona fide craft, who the hell was controlling them?

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:02:48 pm
posted on 14-9-2011 
reply to post by Pimander




Ah yes, the incredible speeds you mention. Let's take a closer look at the speeds reported, keeping in mind:

The maximum speed of a P-38 was about 440 miles an hour.

In August 1947, with Commander Turner F. Caldwell and Major Marion Carl, USMC, at the controls, Skystreaks established two world speed records, achieving 640.663 MPH and 650.796 MPH over a 30-kilometer course.

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May 16 1947 - ... went shooting past... traveled to the west at terrific speed
("something that looked like a ball") Valley City, North Dakota - 9:00 P.M. CST

May 17 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, Washingtonous

May 18 - ...speed estimated at more than 1500 mph (3x current jet speed in those days)
(shiny disc... as big as six B-29 bombers “bigger than any aircraft we have.” )
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Dusk

May (last week of) - ...terrific rate of speed ...sped out of view in less than twenty seconds
(formation of four disc-like objects... silvery and appeared “highly polished,”... spinning on their axes... no sound) Augusta, GA

June 17 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, WA

June 17 - ...wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds...
(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

June 18 - ...multiple "saucers racing overhead"...speeding out of sight at tremendous velocity - 1,700 mph.
Eugene, Oregon

June 19 - ... as they zoomed over...
(eight to ten discs which were lighted from within) Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Night

June 22 - ...traveled at a high rate of speed... and "streaked across the sky" in a matter of only eight to ten seconds
(a "brilliant, round-shaped silvery-white object") Greenfield, Massachusetts - 11:30 A.M. EST

June 23 - ...then zoomed away
(a large shiny silver ball hovered for several minutes over a mountain) Clayton, Georgia

June 23 - ...terrific speed
(two illuminated discs) Huntsville, Alabama

June 24 - ...1200 mph
(nine strange "saucer-shaped" planes) Mt. Ranier, Washington

June 24 - ...flew off faster than anything he had seen before
(five or six discs flying silently overhead) Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST
-He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.
-His watch also stopped running.

June 24 - ...They sped so fast she could not count them
(sighting the “whatzits,”) Yakima, Washington - 3:00 P.M. PST (approx)

June 24 - ..."I have seen a P-38 appear seemingly on one horizon and then gone to the opposite horizon in no time at all, but these disks certainly were traveling faster than any P-38."
Richland, Washington - 2:30 P.M. PST

June 24 - ...moving at fantastic speeds.
(several flying discs) Yakima, Washington

June 24 - ...flash by to the north
(nine shiny discs) Washinton - 3:00 P.M. PST

June 24 - ..."going faster than any planes I ever saw”
(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

June 25 - ...approaching at a high rate of speed... disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds.
(a strange oval-shaped object) Pueblo, Colorado

June 26 - ..."was moving at a terrific rate of speed."
("The machine, or whatever it was, was a shiny silvery color — very big)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
"I know that boy up there (Arnold), really saw them."

June 26 - ...a "silver ball flashing through the sky" too swift to be an aircraft... "It was a distinctly large ball, moving extremely fast..." It was in the sky one minute, and by the time I had called my son's attention to it, the form had swooshed to almost the horizon point. Then it was gone." - Grand Canyon, Arizona - Day

June 26 - ...a pilot was flying a small plane when he saw a "silvery streak" approach him at high speed ... It then disappeared to the east. - Cedar City, Utah - Just before sundown

June 26 - ...great velocity heading eastward
(one silvery colored disc) Cedar City, Utah - 7:45 P.M. MST (6:45pmPST)

June 26 - ...traveling at least 1,200 miles per hour
(a round large disc in an easterly direction) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - 8:30 P.M. CST (6:30pmPST)

June 28 - ...approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed... to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south... they heard no noise.
(strangely maneuvering light) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:05:33 pm
posted on 14-9-2011




-continued-


June 30 - ...moving extremely fast
(V formation contained five disc-shaped objects in perfect line but the ones on the right "seemed to weave.") Hailey, Idaho - 2:30 P.M. MST - (1:30pmPST)
Forest ranger Hunter Nelson, who was marking trees with Nicholson three miles from Galena Summit, counted seven to nine objects in the V- formation. He said "it took the objects but a few seconds" to pass out of view. Both men stressed that point, stating that they flew "-much- faster than any aircraft of that day."

June 30 - ..."jet planes are very slow in comparison to what I saw."
("a bright, shiny object coming from the west,"appeared to be round," and had no wings or apparent means of propulsion.no motor sound") Spokane, Washington - Afternoon PST

June 30 - ...flashed westward over Knoxville
(A round bright object) Knoxville, Tennessee - 8:00 P.M EST (5:00pmPST)

July 1 - ...moving at great speed...
(a silver disc-shaped object) Tucson, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

July 1 - ..."hurtling through the sky at a great rate of speed"
("a lone disc silver—colored and discus—shaped,") Chandler, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

July 1 - "going like blue blazes... it zoomed by in a matter of only fifteen seconds.
(a disc-shaped object... resembled a flattened—out balloon) Dallas, Texas - 12:45 P.M CST (10:45amPST)

July 1 - ...compared the "saucers" speed to that of a "shooting star."
(saucers in a formation of six to eight objects.) Pendleton, Oregon - Afternoon PST

July 1 - ...moving over at a terrific speed.
(disc—like object fly overhead) Sullivan's Island, South Carolina - 9:55 p.m. EST (6:55pmPST)

1 JulY - ...speed in excess of 500 mph
(GCA radar picked up an unidentified target which split into two targets, reversed course, broke up into two responses, each estimated to be larger than a P-51, then merged back together again into one large response.) Hokkaido, Japan

July 1 - ...whizzed overhead heading quickly toward the south.
(six to nine shiny platter—shaped objects) Pendleton, Oregon - Mid-afternoon PST

July 1 - ...zip over the city of El Paso, hurtled over Mount Franklin and then flew off towards Mexico
(a 'flying disc'shaped like two pie pans rim—to—rim, estimated to be 30 feet in diameter) El Paso, Texas

July 1 - ...extremely fast speed over Charleston
(disc—shaped object) Charleston, South Carolina - 9:58 P.M. EST (6:58pmPST)

July 3 - ...zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.
(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

July 3 - ...streaking overhead on a straight course
(three discs) Cincinnati, Ohio - 12:00 P.M. EST (9:00amPST)

July 4 - ...fly directly overhead at a tremendous speed and disappear over the horizon in a matter of seconds.
(a single disc) Boise, Idaho

July 4 - ..."catapulting across the sky"
(a disc-shaped object "about 40 to 50 feet in diameter.") Santa Monica, California - 5:00 P.M. PST

July 4 - ...all of a sudden it shot straight up into the sky and vanished in "a fraction of a second."
(shiny aluminum disc—shaped craft to having the appearance of a silver dollar approximately 30 feet across.) Hauser Lake, Idaho - 7:00 P.M. PST

July 4 - ...streaking past Mount Jefferson.
(four disc-shaped objects) Portland, Oregon - 10:59 A.M. PST

July 4 - ...speeding toward Oregon
(a shiny disc-like object) Idaho - Day

July 4 - ...They were traveling at a high rate of speed and looked like nothing he had seen before.
(five large, disc—shaped objects dipping up and down in an oscillating fashion. They disappeared quickly, at great speed, two going south and the remaining three going east.) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 P.M. PST

July 4 - ...streaking over toward the southwest
(20 to 30 disc—like objects) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 PST

He was emphatic in saying these objects could not have been regular aircraft.

July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" without decelerating, made an abrupt 90—degree turn "with no difficulty"
(a single disc) Portland, Oregon

July 4 - ...traveling very fast...flying at "terrific speeds"
(three to six silvery, metallic, oscillating, flashing discs.) Portland, Oregon

July 4 - ...scudded across the sky at a terrific speed...in a matter of three or four seconds.
(silver disc) Boise, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. MST (5:30pmPST)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:07:05 pm
posted on 14-9-2011



-continued-



July 5 - ...This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed -- l,000 miles an hour,"
(discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver) Auburn, California - 2:30 P.M. PST

July 5 - ...they were moving "very fast" and traveling faster than any aircraft he had ever seen.
(disc-like objects flying northward over the city...)Augusta, Maine - 1:15 P.M. EDT (10:15amPST)

July 5 - ...a "shooting star" turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company in Cambridge. It then turned again in an opposite direction.
Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

July 5 - ..."terrific speed,"
("bright, flat object about 12 feet in diameter.") Waterloo, Iowa - 1:30 A.M. CST

J. E. Johnston, reported that a high—speed object had flown over his home. The disc was flying about 25 feet above the ground and made a "rocket—like, swishing noise" as it flew directly over his house, It was too close to the ground to be an airplane.

It was a terrible experience," he added. "It numbed me from head to foot."

July 5 - ...made a sudden stop, reversing its course almost instantaneously and moved back north. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds, according to the witnesses.
(a silvery, disc—shaped object) Albany, Oregon - 3:20 P.M. PST

July 5 - ...approaching at an "excessive speed,"
(it did not "in any way, shape or manner" resemble any type of known aircraft.

The two described the object as "definitely of metal construction," about 20 feet long, and "not exactly round in shape.") Alton, New Hampshire - 4:26 p.m. EDT (1:26pmPST)

Dale had been an ATC pilot during World War II and was thoroughly familiar with all types of conventional aircraft.

Both Dale and Stetson said they "had never seen anything like it" in the air before, and added that its appearance left them both "flabbergasted."

July 6 - ...a very fast disc appeared over Santa Rosa, California. Observers Calvin McEntire and his brother Jack thought it to be the fastest thing that they had ever seen.

July 6 - ...two shiny disc-shaped objects zoomed over
Cincinnati, Ohio, 6:00 P.M. EST

July 6 - ..."It was going like a bat outa hell,"
(bright object which he was convinced "was not an airplane "round and shiny, like silver," "shooting up and down." It made no noise,) Denver, Colorado

July 6 - ...such a tremendous rate of speed that they were unable to get a good look at them. They tried unsuccessfully to clock them once when one flashed by.
(nine of the 'saucers') Oklahoma and Kansas - 2:30 to 3:00 P.M. MST (1:30 to 2:00pmPST)

July 6 - ...appeared to be moving at incredible speed."
(three strange objects)Norman, Oklahoma - 6:00 P.M. CST (4:00pmPST)

July 6 - ...terrific speed, flashed across the sky
(a disc-shaped object "a large serving dinner plate") Long Beach, California - 1:15 P.M. PST

"it swerved broadside towards the ocean," and then "side-slipped" to the west and vanished from view. They viewed the object for three or four seconds before it disappeared from view.

Both admitted that they had been "awed by the terrific speed and brilliance" of the phenomenon and were now "among the believers."

July 6 - ...zooming eastward
(two groups of three discs) Shrewsbury, Missouri - 7:45 P.M. CST (5:45pmPST)

July 6 - ...zoomed over Cincinnati
(Two shiny disc-shaped objects) Cincinnati, Ohio - 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

July 6 - ...moving at over 1,000 miles per hour
(Former Army flying Cadet Hazen Kennedy glimpsed an "orange-colored" object)
Washington, D.C. - 8:40 P.M. EST (5:40pmPST)

July 6 - ..."It was shooting toward Mount Diablo," He estimated the height of the object at approximately 3,000 feet and said that it was moving "faster than jet planes."
(a disc-shaped object flying rapidly) Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

July 6 - ..."shooting" westward across the sky, in a V-formation
(a group of disc-like objects) Denver, Colorado - 9:05 P.M. MST (8:05pmPST)

July 6 - ...overhead at a high rate of speed
(a silver, disc-like object) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 a.m. PST

July 6 - ...rapid speed
(formation of seven disc-shaped objects passing directly overhead) Lake Lotawana, Missouri - 10:00 a.m.

July 6 - ...hurtle over Mount Tamalpais
(a disc) Mount Tamalpais, California - 1:30 P.M. PST

July 6 - ...It hovered there momentarily, whirling on its lateral axis at high speed, and then suddenly rose up and disappeared into the clouds...it moved at "a terrific speed."
(a disc-shaped object, It "whirled like a top") Logansport, Indiana


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:09:04 pm
posted on 14-9-2011



-continued-



July 7 - ...took off at a speed estimated at 6,000 miles per hour—calculated by the 25 mile distance the object covered between Koshkonong to Elkhorn in fifteen seconds.
(a "saucer") Koshkonong, Wisconsin 11:45 A.M. CST
At the end of its speedy run the object suddenly stopped and hovered, then disappeared in the distance.

July 7 - ...It then covered the 22 mile distance between Eagle to Muskego in twenty seconds, placing its speed at 3,960 miles per hour.
(a flying disc) East Troy, Wisconsin 2:30 P.M.

July 7 - ...the crew figured that it must have been flying 1,440 miles an hour because it overtook and passed their plane in such a short time.
(members of the crew also saw the disc. "I think it was about 18 feet in diameter and looked as though it was made of glass," Sgt. Clifton said. "It was extremely bright and kept flashing.")

It was round and was flying at a slightly tilted angle. "The disc seemed to be spinning as it flew," Sgt. Clifton reported. "It blurred radio reception slightly."

July 7 - ...race across the sky over the Salt River Valley north of Phoenix, They were in view for about 25 to 30 seconds, the estimated distance they traveled while under observation indicated a speed well in excess of 1,000 miles an hour.
(two silver, ball-like objects) Phoenix, Arizona: 3:30 p.m. MST

July 7 - ...flying at terrific speed
(three discs that were in V-formation and were brightly illuminated.) Tacoma, Washington 10:45 p.m. PST
Portland, Oregon - 2:05 P.M. PST
-...Multiple reports over city

July 8 - ...Russo, who had piloted 35 combat missions over Europe, estimated their speed at 850 miles per hour.
(six disc-shaped objects in the formation) Avalon, California - 1:00 P.M. PST
Several hundred witnesses on Santa Catalina Island off Long Beach observed a formation of "saucers."

July 8 - ...a P-51 pilot at 20,000 feet spotted a wingless, tailless "flat object of light-reflecting nature." He twice attempted an intercept but could not climb high enough.
40 miles south of Muroc 3:50 P.M.

July 8 - ...beyond capability of known aircraft
(two saucer or disc shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Field, Calif. 10:00 a.m. (PDT).

July 8 - ...fifty miles up and making over fifteen thousand mph
(six fast moving silvery-white saucers) Muroc Air Force Base

July 10 - ...incredible speed
("flying tin lid" shaped object reflected sunlight brilliantly) Smyrna, Georgia - 5:30 p.m. EDT

July 10 - ...terrific speed
("mysterious flying saucers." two dozen objects flew in first a V formation and then into a straight line) Mission, British Columbia - 9:50 p.m. local time

July 10 - ...dazzling burst of speed ...the lead disc suddenly shot upward, the other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye.
(formation of six, luminous spherical craft) Morristown, New Jersey - Morning

July 13 - ...several aircraft pilots who tried in vain to pursue it
(A round object flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion") Baker Valley, Oregon

July 28 - ..."going like hell when it disappeared."
(a bizarre object) Boise Statesman (Idaho) - 8:34 p.m. MST
Captain Gibian described that it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

July 29 - ...three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight ...The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."
(two round, shiny white objects) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT
Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

August 17 - ...flying above them at a tremendous rate of speed
(sphere shaped craft) Fort Richardson, Alaska (September 19 file)

August 17 - ...shot off to the southeast at great speed.
(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

August 18 - ...speed estimated at 900 miles per hour by pilot and copilot
(Two silver round flat disc-shaped objects, looking like "skeet targets") Mountain Home, Idaho - 12:00 p.m.

August 19 - ..."terrific speed"
(multiple groups of flying objects in the night sky. These formations resembled a "glow in the air" the color of electric lights. The "lights" flew in triangular formations. At one point three of them peeled-off of a larger group of ten and sped away in a different direction.) Twin Falls, Idaho - 9:39 P.M. MST


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:10:59 pm
posted on 14-9-2011



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September 12 - ...zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.
(two separate orbs) Midway Island - 1:00 A.M. local time


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:25:28 pm
Pimander posted on 14-9-2011

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Quote
June 28 - ...approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed... to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south... they heard no noise.
(strangely maneuvering light) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)


Hi A51

There are some incredible speeds there. But a lot of these might be simply exceptionally quick conventional craft that the witnesses didn't recognise. That's what drew my attention to the report above....

There is no way this is a conventional craft from that period, or even current technology. This jagged zigzagging at high speed would likely kill the pilot as a result of the physical forces exerted on his/her body. More examples of these impossible seeming movements would raise some fascinating questions.

I have also seen examples of objects doing 90 degree turns and stopping dead from high speeds. Did the newspapers in that locality report many such examples? The possibility of craft not originating from Earthly technology coupled with suspiciously high air accident reports right where the most sensitive military tests on Earth were being conducted is intriguing to say the least.  8)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:31:10 pm
posted on 14-9-2011


Originally posted by Pimander

Quote
Hi A51

There are some incredible speeds there. But a lot of these might be simply exceptionally quick conventional craft that the witnesses didn't recognise....

Yes perhaps, they -might- be.
However none of the reports mention conventional craft.

They are all round silver metallic discs, meaning that regardless of propulsion, they have no control surfaces.
No means of guiding or turning the areroform.

And with 'exceptionally quick' ones these surfaces become even more important.

Also, many of the reports are from trained witnesses who gauged their speed as accurately as they could. Even with a margin of error, these speeds go WAY beyond the pale of earthly technology.

We also have a theodolite recording showing 15,000 MPH. So our trained observers estimates ranging from 1200 to 3500 mph were if anything, conservative.

The rest of of our observers seemed to second that motion, with various colorful descriptors such as
'going like a bat out of hell',
'terrific speed',
'incredible',
'hurtling through the air', etc., all designed to clearly get the point across that these were something completely new.


Quote
That's what drew my attention to the report above....

There is no way this is a conventional craft from that period, or even current technology. This jagged zigzagging at high speed would likely kill the pilot as a result of the physical forces exerted on his/her body.

Precisely. Not to mention the craft itself.


Quote
More examples of these impossible seeming movements would raise some fascinating questions.

I think I have a few more examples of those lying around somewhere.


Quote
I have also seen examples of objects doing 90 degree turns and stopping dead from high speeds.
Did the newspapers in that locality report many such examples?

I will sort out a list.


Quote
The possibility of craft not originating from Earthly technology coupled with suspiciously high air accident reports right where the most sensitive military tests on Earth were being conducted is intriguing to say the least.   8)


Indeed.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:39:31 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



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[size=14pt]-Unusual- Movements![/size]

Now that we have seen that the amazing speeds reported and recorded ranged from 1000 to 15,000 MPH, we can see that Kenneth Arnold's report of 1200 MPH is not that incredible by comparison to the other sightings, even though it was twice the speed of our fastest jets of the day.

What was also incredible, was not only the speed of these craft, but also the -highly- unusual movements.


Here then are some of the various movements they executed while moving at these amazing speeds:

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May 19 1947 - ...they were spinning on their axis with a circular rim around their lower quarter as they silently moved by in less than twenty seconds at great speed.

(four discs) Beaufort, South Carolina - 11:00 A.M. EST (8:00amPST)

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May 19 - ...It flew around the area for over twenty minutes making erratic aerial maneuvers that no aircraft they knew of could undertake;

--silver-colored object one thousand feet approaching rapidly from the northeast.
--stopped almost directly overhead.
--watched it perform wild gyrations for several minutes...“began to move erratically in
wide circles. All this time it reflected light, like metal, but intermittently, as though the angle of reflection might be changing from time to time.”
--For twenty minutes watched it climb, dive, reverse its flight course
--finally moving off into the wind westerly.

(shiny metal-like craft) Manitou Springs, Colorado - 12:15 P.M. MST (11:15amPST)

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June 12 1947 - ...The disc zig- zagged to the southwest.

(bright metallic ovoid object) Weiser, Idaho - 6:15 P.M. MST

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June 14 - ...ten round objects or "saucers" fly over in a loose "V" formation with one straggling in the rear."


[img]http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS3.png)

They were heading north, but seven of the discs then reversed direction and came back over them toward the south.

(350 mph) Bakersfield, California - 12:00 P.M. PST

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June 17 - ...seen hovering in the sky for a period of three hours over Bremerton from late in the afternoon until evening.

The objects wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds toward the west.

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(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

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June 21 - ...descending with a "dead leaf motion"

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(eight discs "the size of a house" flying at 600 mph) Saint Joe River, Idaho - 11:55 A.M. MST

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June 22 - ...speeding southeast ...disks dipping and flashing in the sun.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS6.gif)

("flying disks, larger than a plane") Portland, Oregon - 4 P.M. PST

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June 23 - ...hovered for several minutes ...and then zoomed away.

(a large shiny silver ball) Clayton, Georgia

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June 23 - ...flying an uneven course in the sky, and weaving in an out of view."

("strange saucer-like" object) Wapakoneta, Ohio - 9:30 p.m. EST (6:30pmPST)

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:44:08 pm
posted on 18-9-2011


-continued-

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June 24 - "weaving and circling very rapidly in formation. . .and after a while they dispersed in all directions."

(a group of round, shiny objects) Boise, Idaho

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June 24 - "going faster than any planes I ever saw” in a stretched out line formation at about 4,000 feet flying north to south.

"I could see no connecting link between them, but they acted as though the leading disc had a motor in it to power the others, because when it flipped, the others would, too. When it would right itself, the others would right themselves."

(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

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June 24 - Arnold said the objects weaved from side to side "like the tail of a Chinese kite", darting through the valleys and around the smaller mountain peaks. They would occasionally flip or bank on their edges in unison as they turned or maneuvered causing almost blindingly bright or mirror-like flashes of light.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9VI6RjseGM[/youtube]


Mt. Ranier, Washington - 2:59 P.M. PST


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June 24 - they flew off faster than anything he had seen before, and resembled no object he had been witness to in his 40 years of prospecting.

He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.

His watch also stopped running.

(five or six discs flying silently) Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST

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June 25 - ...object approaching at a high rate of speed, and descending rapidly toward the observers' car. It swooped down to 500 feet above the car.

Following this object was another similar one, approaching on the same course. "As the first one approached, we could see it revolving at tremendous speed on its axis, even faster than its forward flight."

As it reached a point just above and ahead of the car, "it suddenly veered off sharply to the right, and at the same time its companion did likewise."

The objects then disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds.

(a strange oval-shaped object) Pueblo, Colorado

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June 27 - ...estimated that they were going about two times as fast as an ordinary airliner, "maybe 600 miles an hour.

..."they were bunched... The peculiar thing was the way they moved along -- tilting back and forth, tipping up and down, undulating --and every time they reached the right reflection angle the flashes came,"

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS5.gif)

-said it was difficult to distinguish the shapes because the objects were "very bright, reflecting the sun like from metal -- not glass mirrors."

-the objects were "very flat, very very thin, particularly when you saw them on edge as they were banking."

-"There wasn't a sound, not a trace of a vapor trail -- just these things sailing along."

-"I am not too excitable and I have good eyesight, and I know what I saw this afternoon," he told the Journal.

"They came over the hill back of us here from the north, and were following straight along the Pacific Highway. Just south of here they veered sharply to the southeast."

(two groups of loosely-bunched objects rocking back and forth flew over noiselessly, his eye was caught by a bright flash) Woodland, Washington - Afternoon

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June 28 - ...It approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed.
In five minutes the light had approached to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south.

... they heard no noise.

(a strangely maneuvering light over the base) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)

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June 29 - ...whirling through the unclouded sky."

John Kauke was driving and became so overwhelmed by the sight that he stopped the car.

Dr. Zohn, a well-known rocket expert, stated that the object did not look like any rocket he had ever seen and that it could not have been a balloon.

("a silvery disc" ) White Sands, New Mexico - 1:30 P.M. MST (12:30pmPST)
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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 12:48:35 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



-continued-

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July 1 - silently tipping from side to side as they moved along the course of the Columbia river.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATSclean.jpg)

(Three discs, then another 10-12 of the mystery craft showed up) Astoria, Madras and Portland, Oregon - 11:45 A.M. PST

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July 1 - ..."following a zig—zag path in the northwestern sky ...for about 30 seconds. "

(a "disc-like", bluish object) Albuquerque, New Mexico - night MST

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JulY 1 - ...speed in excess of 500 mph. This target split into two targets, reversed course, broke up into two responses, each estimated to be larger than a P-51, then merged back together again into one large response.

(GCA radar unidentified target, Chitose Army Air Base - Hokkaido, Japan

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July 1 - They flew first toward the south, then turned to the east, and finally flew off to the west.

A blue disc was also seen zig—zagging in the northwestern sky.

(thirteen silver disc—shaped objects) Albuquerque, New Mexico - 11:00 P.M. MST - (10:00pmPST)

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July 2 - ...whirling over Lewiston. At times they dipped and rolled.

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(four white and shiny flying saucers) Lewiston, Idaho - Day

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July 3 - ...maneuver wildly in the clouds.

(eight disc-shaped objects) Conowingo Dam, Pennsylvania - 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. EST (6:00to7:00amPST)

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July 3 - ..."flow over onto its edge" as it flew by in the course of ten to fifteen seconds.

(a glowing round object) Monterey, California - 7:45 A.M. PST

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July 3 - ...zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.

(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

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July 3 - ...maneuver in circular movements...

(several discs) Walkerton, Indiana - Afternoon EST

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July 3 - ...sped over Nampa with an undulating motion

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(A circular object) Nampa, Idaho - 12:00 P.M. MST (11:00amPST)

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July 3 - ...approached very fast and soon became silhouetted against a nearby mountainside ..."suddenly they stopped in mid-air, then started again.

When they reached a point over a clearing in the timber, they stopped again and settled down a few at a time until they were out of sight.

Over a half dozen neighbors also witnessed this sight.

(Eight luminous discs) St. Maries, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. PST

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July 3 - ...make controlled changes in their flight and circle near the San Diego Naval Air Station.

(three discs) San Diego, California - Late afternoon PST

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July 4 - ...zoom northeast with a "turning motion."

(a "flying disc") Richland, Washington (Richland AEC plant)

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July 4 - ...fly through broken cloud layers ...maneuvering in an erratic manner.

(a group of star-like objects) Bartlesville, Oklahoma Early morning CST

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July 4 - "...were operated and maneuverable devices" ..."They plainly experienced maneuvers in the sky..."

...At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc

...convinced that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control."

(formation of twelve discs) Portland, OR - 1:00 P.M. PST

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:04:43 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



-continued-

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July 4 - for 30-90 seconds moving at high speed with oscillating or wobbling motion, sudden 90° turns or zigzagging.

(5 large discs) Portland and Milwaukee, Oregon, and Vancouver, Washington 1:05 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...an object like "a new dime flipping over".

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS4crop.jpg)

Sandy District - Portland, Oregon - 4:30 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...could change at a 90°angle without difficulty... terrific speed.
...would oscillate and sometimes we would see a full disk , then a half—moon shape, then nothing at all."

(disks) Portland, Oregon - 1:06 P.M. PST

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July 4 - "flying at terrific speed in a straight—line formation ...zig-zagged and made turns so sharp that he knew they could not be aircraft

... The last disc "fluttered rapidly to the side in an arc".

(six or seven "flat, round discs.") Portland, Oregon - 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" ...It passed under the sun and, without decelerating, made an abrupt 90° turn "with no difficulty" and proceeded toward the southwest.

Because of its strange behavior, Patterson, a former Army Air Corps pilot, was of the opinion that the object could not have been a plane.

(a single disc) Portland, Oregon 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...traveling very fast ...the objects wobbled and oscillated as they flew with turning and weaving motions.
("three to six flashing discs shaped like chromium hub—caps face—to—face, shining and flashing in the sun") Portland, Oregon

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July 4 - The pilot said the object was "remarkably white" and moved at a uniform altitude with a kind of "wavering" flight pattern.

(a "disc—like" object) Moscow, Idaho - 10:30 A.M. PST

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July 4 - "It would fly in a circle for about five minutes,then shoot off a mile to the south, tear back again, stand still for a half a minute, and then start circling again."

..the object repeated this maneuver three times before it finally disappeared to the south in a straight course, "going very fast."

(a "round and bright," strangely maneuvering object) Madison, Wisconsin - 9:30 P.M. CST (7:30pmPST)

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July 4 - ...startled to see a group of objects fly overhead in an extended V—formation.

The formation disappeared quickly in a northerly direction at a high rate of speed. The objects were out of sight before the Walgrens could even get to their feet.

The witnesses described the formation of discs as giving the appearance of a "rippling, V—shaped cloud."

The undersides of the objects appeared to reflect the city lights. As they passed over, the Walgren's described hearing "a hollow, rustling sound, like an air blast in an empty barrel."

(discs) Denver, Colorado - Late evening MST

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July 4 - ...descend vertically, then make a 90° turn and proceed horizontally flying toward the south. One of the witnesses in the Lake City area took a photograph.


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS8.gif)


(round white object) Greenwood Lake, Washington - 5:30 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...fly southward, halt abruptly, and then reversing its course almost instantaneously, and moved back north retracing its course. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds.

(a silvery object) Albany, Oregon

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:08:46 pm
posted on 18-9-2011


-continued-

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July 5 - ...turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company ...It then turned again in an opposite direction.

(a "shooting star") Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

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July 5 - ..."one over—lapped the other and traveled in the opposite circular directions."

(two discs) Norwalk, Ohio - Night

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July 5 - ...fluttering as they flew toward the east ...an independent witness, also saw the same three fluttering objects disappear over the horizon. Both witnesses called the police.

(six silvery objects) Anaconda, Montana - 3:00 P.M. MST (2:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving very fast and in formation.

(several whirling disks) Birmingham, Alabama - between 8:00 P.M. and 9:00 P.M. CST - (6-7:00pmP)

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July 6 - ...as it moved along, "it had a dipping motion," adding that "we heard a steady hum, which was not the kind of sound that an airplane makes."

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS6.gif)

(a disc-like object) San Rafael, California - 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 6 -...it flew south, occasionally "jumping sideways"...

(Flying Saucer) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 AM PST

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July 6 - ...tumbling objects traveling very high in the air and at a very fast rate of speed."

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS2.jpg)

("looked like pie pans") Clearwater, Florida - 3:00 P.M. EST (12:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving erratically through the sky ..."diving in a fluttery fashion, like pursuit planes." ...estimated speed of 400 miles an hour.

(two shiny objects "resembled chrome plates" "They were not planes,")Elizabeth, New Jersey - 5:15 P.M. EST (2:15pmPST)

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July 6 - ...shooting toward Mount Diablo ...flying rapidly ...in view for about 30 seconds before it vanished over the southern horizon.

(circular disc-shaped object ..."It revolved in a counter-clockwise direction, as we viewed it" ...it was moving "faster than jet planes.") Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

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July 6 - ...came flying at their airplane this afternoon, one-by-one, for 15 minutes.

(nine metallic, revolving objects) Kansas-Colorado border - Afternoon

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July 6 - ...wavered and flipped across the sky.

(twelve shiny metallic discs) Richmond, Virginia At 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

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July 7 - ...appeared to be tumbling over and over, alternately showing a dark and a bright side.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS2.jpg)

It was unlike any plane he had seen as a former Naval aviator.

(a round object) Sacramento, California

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:11:18 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



-continued-


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July 7 - ...passing overhead appeared to be flying at a speed of 600 to 700 miles an hour, at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet.

The disc was flying on edge, like a wheel, at right angles to the surface of the earth, and its large, circular surface gave off an extremely bright light, comparable in color to the light of an arc welder's torch;

It also reminded the witness of a brightly faceted stone, such as a diamond seen under a brilliant light.

The object seemed to be following the contours of the terrain below it, dipping or bobbing up and down in an irregular pattern as it passed over small hills and mountains 500 to 1,000 feet high.

It was in view approximately 60 to 70 seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) - Medford, Oregon 5:20 P.M. PST

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July 7 - ...traveling at 200 to 225 miles per hour at 10,000 feet. It headed east with an oscillating motion.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS5.gif)

(one yellowish-white spherical object) Muroc Air Base, California

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July 7 - flying 1,440 miles an hour ..."seemed to be spinning as it flew."

(a disc ..."I think it was about 18 feet in diameter") San Antonio, Texas - 4:30 P.M. CST (2:30pmPST)

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July 7 - ...pass rapidly overhead ...had a slight side-to-side motion as they traveled approximately 200 to 300 feet above the ground ...as they passed overhead, he heard "a zipping noise."

He estimated their speed at 500 miles an hour, and they quickly "lost themselves in the distance."

(a triangular formation of three discs) Greensboro, North Carolina - 6:30 A.M. EST

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July 8 - "...seemed to be jiggling and darting about", ..."the flashes were awfully bright and were obviously from a metallic object."

(Discs) Roseburg, Oregon - 2:00 P.M. PST

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July 8 - ...saw one of the discs break loose from the formation and appear to be "rolling through the air" like a wheel.

(a loose formation of discs) Spokane, Washington

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July 8 - "silvery colored, like aluminum, with no wings or tail, sort of round or oblong-shaped, and moving both slow and fast."

The object was "very high," and moving westward toward Honolulu in "alternating bursts of speed" and in a "slow, zigzagging" flight path.

Honolulu, Hawaii - 5:30 P.M. HST

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July 8 - ...hover there for minutes before resuming formation and sweeping back to the west.

(two groups of discs) Denver, Colorado - mid-morning until noon

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July 8 - ..."swooped" out of the area of the sun at "terrific speed and altitude" and then flew back toward the vicinity of the sun.

(several formations of discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...appeared to "dance in the sky, moving backward and forward and at times rising and falling."

(several discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...spinning while "standing still" in one spot, before it suddenly took off at a rapid speed."

(a round object) Chicago, Illinois 9:05 a.m. CDT

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July 8 - ...moving against the prevailing wind at a speed estimated to be 300 miles an hour, in straight, level flight. They appeared to be about 8,000 feet high, when a third object appeared—heading in the same direction but making several tight circles.

McHenry told intelligence officers that no aircraft he knew of could have performed such sharp maneuvers.

(two silver disc or sphere-shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Base, California - 9:30 A.M. PST

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:13:39 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



-continued-

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July 9 - It appeared to be spinning, and it possibly landed remotely.

(A one-meter diameter disc) Llano, Texas - 8:00 P.M. CST (6:00pmPST)

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July 9 - ...in the northern sky for several minutes before it fluttered out of sight ...appeared to fall toward the earth, then fluttered, and rose.

(a flying disc) Saanich, Vancouver Island, British Columbia - 10 a.m.

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July 9 - "The 'saucers' sped across the heavens in a dipping and undulating motion and must have had terrific speed."

(four large light objects "Big as houses") Honeymoon Bay, British Columbia. 6:20 pm

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July 9 - ...spinning in the sky ...One of the discs left the group and appeared to land on the bank of the Spokane River.

(a group of three disc-shaped objects) Spokane, Washington 6:15 P.M. PST

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July 10 - ...it moved with a fast but "funny" motion.

(an "aluminum type of thing,") Salt Lake City, Utah 8:30 P.M.

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July 11 - ...go over at high speed with a spinning or rotating motion.

The craft passed without a sound in a matter of just five seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) Yuma, Arizona - 2:30 A.M. MST (1:30amPST)

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July 12 - ..."they left us as if we were standing still ...They were closely spaced.

They fluttered as a group for a second or two and then stabilized for a second or two, alternately between these two modes."

("six or eight silver-white objects, oval top and bottom, much like two saucers face to face) Utah Lake, Utah: 2:30 P.M. PST

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July 12 - ...going north very fast and very high ...appeared to be "swerving a little, back and forth, and up and down."

(three disc-like objects "silvery and flashing in the sun,") Sand Point Naval Air Station, Seattle, Washington - 6:35 P.M. PST

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July 13 - flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion"

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS6.gif)

(A round object) Wingville, Oregon 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 15 - ...they yawed along in a sort of see-saw manner, flying at three different levels, and about 200 feet apart."

Their speed was "far in excess of 200 miles an hour.

(from a dozen to fifteen oval-shape objects ...being very white on top and when they flipped he was able to see they were grey and black underneath.) Concord, California 12:15 P.M. PST

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July 20 - ...swing back and forth in a pendulum motion...

(a UFO) Idaho Falls, Idaho 2:30 A.M. PST

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:15:38 pm
posted on 18-9-2011



-continued-

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July 28 - ...going toward the northwest at very high speed ...it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" and "going like hell when it disappeared."

Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

(a bizarre object "as silhouetted against a bright western sky", about the size of their own aircraft and about 40 miles distant) Between Mountain Home and Boise, Idaho 8:34 P.M. MST

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July 29 - ...flew three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight, The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."

One object flew straight and level, a second object then appeared, flying a left to right "protective" maneuver from side-to-side like an escort fighter over the first craft.

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/ATS9.gif)

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

(two round, shiny white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT

___________________________________________________________________________



Aug 14 - ...traveling at a speed twice that of a jet fighter plane, passed over them on a zig-zag course in a westerly direction at an approximate altitude of twelve hundred feet.

(FLYING OBJECTS) Harmon Field, Guam

___________________________________________________________________________



August 17 - ...drop straight out of sky heading toward the northeast at a tipped angle.

It righted itself, floated slowly as if "suspended on cord" for several minutes, then shot off to the southeast at great speed.

(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

___________________________________________________________________________



August 20 - ...travelling at a great speed, twisting and turning above and below each other as they passed over.

(approximately twenty flying saucers) Coulter Bay, Cortez Island, British Columbia - 8:30 A.M.

___________________________________________________________________________


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:18:10 pm

posted on 18-9-2011

Oh and a postscript for the Unusual Movements, just to be thorough -


July 4 1947 - Seattle, Washington

I happened to look up and saw a bright, oval-shaped object coming down from the upper atmosphere.

There was no sound of motors. The object had no wings.

The object made a very sharp almost 90-degree turn to the horizontal and then sped south along Puget Sound at high speed and towards Mt. St. Helens.


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/83983f1ae1c1.jpg)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:20:58 pm

SplitInfinity posted on 18-9-2011
 

If one takes the time...they can find statements made by General Eisenhour prior to his election to President....that document his own encounters and statements about E.T. craft. Once he became President...he quickly formed a comittee...which then became an agency....which delt with all that is E.T.

Eisenhour loathed Truman and had made many attempts to get Truman to form this agency prior to his election. Back then...there was not a clear methodology used in any UFO coverup or recovery. There is much to read.
Split Infinity

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:24:07 pm

lme7898354 posted on 21-9-2011

This subject has interested me for a long time. And since my main industry was electronics it became clear the inventions such as the transistor weren't accidents but rather a product of something that had to happen to speed the development of such devices. So if you were a good detective and started piecing togetther the evidence it would become clear that something out of the ordinary had occurred. If you watched any of the episodes of ancient aliens then you would find even more mysterious clues to add to the puzzle. I guess my point is we have been brain washed to believe whatever were told to be the truth, but who really knows what that truth is? Even the Holy bible is full of contradictory stories that in today's world would have been reported totally different. So I guess until the time arrives when ET lands on the White House lawn, you have to admit that something extrodinary has happend to us and we are just afraid to admit it.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:25:29 pm

posted on 21-9-2011

reply to post by lme7898354



Yes those in the electronics field realize what the state of the art was in 1947. They also realize that those trying to say that 1947 technology could have produced these speeds and maneuvers is a -complete joke- and not even remotely possible.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:27:32 pm
posted on 15-10-2011



I was curious about the previous sighting where a Flying Saucer was seen over the Hanford plutonium production plant around the same time as our first Atomic test blast at White Sands, which was described as "the size of three aircraft carriers side by side."

I started doing some photo comparisons to get a better idea of what that would look like, and found that this:


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Football-01.jpg)

would be the size of just ONE aircraft carrier.

Imagine a Disc THREE TIMES that size appearing over a football game!!  :o

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 14, 2011, 01:31:39 pm
posted on 30-10-2011


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/headlines2bright.jpg)

This very interesting article came to me marked 'Roswell Morning Dispatch - July 11 1947'.

I am unable to find the entire article or confirm the date or newspaper. The article does mention Roswell as a local item however.

If anyone has access to the full article and could send it along, that would be great!  ;D

I am specifically looking for a scan of the original article, and if possible the cover of the newspaper.


Reason being as you can see, the text version below is much shorter and differs slightly in wording and details from the scanned version above.

For example, there is no mention of Tuesday in the text version which helpfully puts the date of this sighting on the 8th.

I suspect there may be even more details in the original version which would be of interest.



Roswell, N.M., afternoon (after 3:30 pm)

Roswell Morning Dispatch, 7/11


-- W.J. Schanz, a former Army Air Force instructor in aircraft recognition, and 5 others were baffled by three brilliant objects seen flashing across the sky.

Harvey Sparkman was the first to spot the objects after the others had been kidding around over the recent announced finding in Roswell of the so-called "Flying Saucer."

First there was one object followed by two others. Schanz said he had seen every type of plane in existence and "the objects did not have any characteristics of any plane I have ever seen.

They did not seem exactly round, and rather than spinning through space, they appeared to somersault, with no definite pattern of movement." They were traveling very fast, though their speed couldn't be estimated.

When they reflected the sun's rays, they were so bright it was difficult to look directly at them. Other witnesses were Mrs. Raymond Jennings, Ed Jennings, Lawrence Jennings, and Linzy Andrews, all of the Jennings Fixture Co.


http://roswellproof.homestead.com/NM_UFO_Reports.html (http://roswellproof.homestead.com/NM_UFO_Reports.html)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 23, 2011, 11:55:13 pm
zorgon posted on 11-23-2011


"Didn't see this one in your posts yet..."


(http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/images/ed0809rdr1.jpg)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Somamech on November 24, 2011, 10:21:40 am
Say's it all!

The world was excited to meet ET  ;D
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 26, 2011, 03:45:24 am
Beauty Queen Nan Dawson cover of Tacoma Times July 08, 1947

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/Dawson_001.png)

From this book...

(http://lastgaspcovers.s3.amazonaws.com/jfkufo.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193623906X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=193623906X)

JFK & UFO: Military-Industrial Conspiracy and Cover-Up from Maury Island to Dallas
Kenn Thomas (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193623906X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=193623906X)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 28, 2011, 12:31:52 am
(http://roswell.greyfalcon.us/pictures/1112.jpg)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: sky otter on November 28, 2011, 08:12:05 am


i think it would be veryyyy interesting to talk to anyone born on july 8, 1947  in arizona
and see if they have the imprint of the said event..

i do know those born right after  aug 6, 1945 have certain traits
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on February 12, 2012, 06:52:58 pm
Now here is a rather telling declassified document I found in the USAF Project Blue Book:

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d4292f559f79.jpg)


We can see it was prepared by:
The Commanding General (4rth AF) at Hamilton Field, (California)

and sent to:
The Commanding General, Army Air Forces, (Washington, D.C.)

"in compliance with letter from: Headquarters Air Defense Command"
(Mitchel Field, New York).


And what was attached to this report, as indicated, are actual -hand typed verbatim copies- (not copies of the clippings or the clippings themselves) of the flying disc newspaper reports from my home town (in Oregon), the ones shown earlier in this thread with the headlines -

PORTLAND POLICE SEE DISCS SAIL

Also attached are in- depth, follow- up interviews conducted privately by unknown personnel, with each of the officers and the harbor- master listed in the articles.


All of which indicates what was to be done (discreetly), as laid out in the "letter" referenced above,
as ordered by - Headquarters Air Defense Command (New York).

Has anyone seen this letter?

The dates shown, and also the designation -Army Air Forces- clearly indicate that this is -just before- the Truman total restructuring of the entire military, and secret service organizations.

Now did this "letter" contain a Directive, or a personal request (unlikely), as to how to deal with sighting reports and investigations. How many other units or departments also received this "letter"?

Odd that he would not reference a Directive number that he was responding to. And how many other reports did Army Air Forces, Washington, D.C. also receive from various days and locations as a result of this "letter".

Or was this a method to discreetly subvert the official chain of command, perhaps even on orders from the top, considering the fear that these things might originate from Russia.

And who did these guys take their marching orders from? Did the buck stop there at Air Defense Command in that period? And what happened to the pipeline after the restructure order.


Major Keyhoe also seemed to be wondering these same questions, as evidenced by a couple of his chapter titles:

"Saucer Saucer, Who's Got The Saucer?"

and

"Why doesn't one of the damn things just land in the water so the Navy can take over!"

He and his contacts in the Pentagon seemed puzzled about who was truly -in charge- of the UFO situation during this period, followed by the sudden change of attitude and "silence from the top" regarding the urgent need to discover what these things really were, that happened coincidentally right around the same time of the Roswell "incident".


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: stealthyaroura on April 25, 2012, 01:51:29 pm
Area51watcher, this is some of your finest work! i love this thread and i'm constantly reading the new material.
You truly are an asset to this forum! keep up the great work, it's so well written and researched.I have read the book the day before roswell, and agree with a lot of the subject matter especially about the seeding of the tech for research into lasr,fibre optic,night vision etc.

I do think this is why we had a quantum leap in technology in such a short time. All the new breakthroughs in that time scale?
is it true that the book was not really proof read & this is how it slipped past the censors OR would you say it's what TPTB call accountable denyability (something like that?) so IF the truth does come out they can say "well it's all in this and that book" 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 26, 2012, 07:20:45 pm
Area51watcher, this is some of your finest work! i love this thread and i'm constantly reading the new material.
You truly are an asset to this forum! keep up the great work, it's so well written and researched.I have read the book the day before roswell, and agree with a lot of the subject matter especially about the seeding of the tech for research into lasr,fibre optic,night vision etc.

I do think this is why we had a quantum leap in technology in such a short time. All the new breakthroughs in that time scale?
is it true that the book was not really proof read & this is how it slipped past the censors OR would you say it's what TPTB call accountable denyability (something like that?) so IF the truth does come out they can say "well it's all in this and that book"

Hey stealthyaroura,

Good to hear you enjoy it and thanks!

Col. Corso's book was titled The Day After Roswell so in my usual cheeky fashion I titled the thread The Day Before.  ;)

Actually this sighting wave began several months before Roswell and continued for several months after.


I'm not sure how the book made it to publication but I would imagine his credentials and connections had something to do with it.

I do have plans to continue the thread since I have only posted about 20% of the available reports so far. It's been slow going since I have several plates spinning on poles at the same time and try to keep them all going at once.

This is an incredibly important wave once the implications of what was happening when dawns on you.

More on that soon as it is indeed time to give this plate another spin.

 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 30, 2012, 11:16:20 am
July 28 - Between Mountain Home and Boise, Idaho - 8:34 P.M. MST (7:34 PM PST)


Boise Statesman (Idaho) 7/30
Las Cruces Sun-News (New Mexico) 7/29
Ellensburg Daily Record (Washington) 7/29

-Airlines Pilot, Reporting New Flying Disc, Wants Them Kept Off Airways-


(AP) Captain Charles F. Gibian and First Officer Jack Harvey, United Air Lines Flight 105 saw a bizarre object "as silhouetted against a bright western sky", about the size of their own aircraft and about 40 miles distant, which was seen rapidly diminishing in size as it appeared to be going toward the northwest at very high speed.

They say they saw a round, flat object in the sky west of Mountain Home, a village 45 miles east of here.

Captain Gibian described that it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" and "going like hell when it disappeared."

Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

"If it is real it must be some sort of military experiment and if that is the case they ought to arrange to keep the objects off the civil airways."

Army and Navy spokesmen have denied knowledge of the discs.



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on April 30, 2012, 07:11:39 pm
Hi A51,

I don't know why it has taken me so long ( other than the last few months my mind had been overwhelmed with numerous things)
I have only just got around to looking at this Roswell thread of yours...
I have initially speed read through it for now, but I am now more aware of
what you have covered.

I have to say no doubt you have done an amazing Job and gone to an incredible amount  of time and effort to research and produce it.

I had no idea behind much of what you have shown us in your research.

Certainly a lot to absorb....

Love the video of the Kenneth Arnold Mt Rainer siting....
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 02, 2012, 07:50:45 pm


Ast0144 -


Indeed there is a lot to absorb.


And then the implications begin to dawn on you.....


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on May 04, 2012, 06:21:26 pm
I have just been surprised to see a TV drama program that I watched some years ago about the UFO scene...

Did you ever watch the Mini TV Series called Taken !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_%28TV_miniseries%29

I just watched the opening as I write of the 1st of the series and it started with the WW2 years and shows a US / UK aircraft bombing mission over Germany when all of a sudden a series of bright lights approach at high speed and pass close to the aircraft....I thought that it was very well filmed and the effects were impressive...

Later on it shows when 3 UFOs crash at Roswell...where a woman who just broke down on a nearby Road witnesses it and goes to investigate....She finds scattered burning debris and walks through it...She picks up some metal ...As she walks through...you see something quickly pass behind her.
At the end of that scene you see an Alien hiding in a Tree !...Again I thought that it was really well filmed...

Later on the military Investigate the wreakage and it shows them come up with initial suggestions and cover up stories....

After this another investigator is shown finding a completely in tact Saucer that has crashed and is shown stuck out of the terrain..

Scroll down half way to see a photo on the link below..
http://www.semjase.net/semjeng8.html

http://www.awn.com/imagepicker/image/6245


This is an image that is often associated with the series...

http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7184

Later on you get to see dead and captured Aliens...

There is a little girl who tells the story in parts of each series.

Overall  I think it was a good series made by Speilberg


Taken, Episode 1: Beyond the Sky
Science-fiction drama series weaving together the lives of three families over four generations against a backdrop of alien abduction. Three close encounters of differing kinds in the 1940s introduce a wartime pilot from Illinois, an ambitious Army Intelligence officer at Roswell and an unhappily married waitress in Texas to the uncomfortable truth of alien visitors to Earth. There are consequences for their families and the whole of humanity. With Steve Burton, Joel Gretsch, Catherine Dent, Julie Benz, and Eric Close.(2002) SUB REP
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 04, 2012, 08:02:58 pm


astro -

I thought 'Taken' was very well done and I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Of course you could expect the effects to be spectacular but the story is what concerned me as possibly further muddying the waters.


In the end I think the message was that more than anything, we should be concerned with our fellow human reaction to contact above anything else.

All in all, a very well done fable.

   
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 09, 2012, 09:02:18 pm


Here is a clipping I have not shared anywhere before, that demonstrates what surprises you might find while scanning through the microfiche files -



July 15 - Washington, DC

Oregon Journal (Portland) 7/16



'Secret' Army Base Set Up


   Use of a New Mexico base for a highly secret project was disclosed indirectly Tuesday in a war department announcement of routine changes of command for a number of general officers.

The announcement recorded that Brig. Gen. Robert M. Montague, former assistant commandant of the anti-aircraft and guided missiles center at Fort Bliss, texas, now was assigned to the "armed forces special weapons project ar Sandia base, Albuquerque, N.M."

There was no further explanation of the function of this project.

It is known, however, that Maj. Gen. Leslie J. Groves, former chief of the Manhattan project, the agency which developed the atom bomb for the army, is associated with the direction of the "armed forces special weapons project" at Washington.

The Sandia base was a former army air forces field. It is the general area of the Los Alamos A-bomb laboratories and the site of the first bomb test at Alamagordo.

Succeeding Montague at the Fort Bliss guided missiles center is brig. Gen. Charles E. Hart, artillery officer for the First army, at Govenors island, New York.




Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: stealthyaroura on May 27, 2012, 03:11:55 pm
I have just been surprised to see a TV drama program that I watched some years ago about the UFO scene...

Did you ever watch the Mini TV Series called Taken !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_%28TV_miniseries%29



Hey astr0144, and any one else for that matter, Taken is back on in the UK on BBC2 on sunday nights,late though. i enjoyed it the 1st time around.just a heads up for those interested.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on May 28, 2012, 10:11:27 am
Hi StealthAY,

Yes it has been on for a few weeks now...

I saw the first two episodes, but unfortunately I missed the last two as I have been away.....

the 2nd episode at times refers to Groom Lake and shows a large Saucer being held in one of the Hangers...I don't think it is supposed to be S4.


http://oracleprophet.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/area51ufo3.jpg


Still it gives a good effect and feeling when you see the image...

It is on as far as I am aware 1 am Saturday Mornings on BBC2..
I have not noticed it being repeated or on a Sunday unless they showed it on a Sunday when I was away...

Also unfortunately they do not show Taken on BBC I player...
which shows many repeats for BBC TV programs online at least for UK viewers

I note that there is another episode this coming weekend.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: stealthyaroura on May 28, 2012, 03:24:12 pm
Hi astr0, yes your correct about taken being on sat ,my mistake.
Great effects and I'm sure there is so much truth laced into the story just so TPTB can have a little giggle at our expense ? Who knows eh.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on June 01, 2012, 07:31:32 pm
Just watched another episode of taken.

This time its 1980s at Groom Lake...

Shows their suggestions for what the border area looks like with the warning signs and mailbox...

The ending is very impressive when some people who believe in Roswell stop a vehicle at night indicating that they believe it may contain
Alien beings....It turns out the vehicle contains furniture when one of the
Groom workers is moving his stuff....

Next thing....they spot 3 lights heading towards them which turn out to just appear to initially be helicopters.... until you look more closely and see they they are escorting a Saucer.... which then shows all its lights underneath it....they all look again and next thing a huge mothership appears and the Saucer is taken into it before it moves away.

Great effects and thought provoking stuff.

Im curious if A51 watcher may had witnessed a similar lighting effects when he observed the Saucers in 1992..
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on June 02, 2012, 04:41:53 pm

Im curious if A51 watcher may had witnessed a similar lighting effects when he observed the Saucers in 1992..


No. No external lights at all. Only the shape of the saucer lit up as if coming from within.

I plan to post an illustration of it soon. I have been modifying my Area51 threads recently and have added new material to them here and there where they fit best.

 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on July 16, 2012, 04:31:23 pm
Roswell UFO Was Not Of This Earth And There Were ET Cadavers: Ex-CIA Agent Says

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/roswell-ufo-cia-agent-chase-brandon_n_1657077.html



Happy anniversary, Roswell, N.M. It was 65 years ago today that the Roswell Daily Record blasted an infamous headline claiming local military officials had captured a flying saucer on a nearby ranch. And now, a former CIA agent says it really happened.

"It was not a damn weather balloon -- it was what it was billed when people first reported it," said Chase Brandon, a 35-year CIA veteran. "It was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet, it crashed and I don't doubt for a second that the use of the word 'remains' and 'cadavers' was exactly what people were talking about."

ciaseal

Brandon served as an undercover, covert operations officer in the agency's Clandestine Service for 25 years, where he was assigned missions in international terrorism, counterinsurgency, global narcotics trafficking and weapons smuggling. He spent his final 10 years of CIA service on the director's staff as the agency's first official liaison to the entertainment and publication industries. It was during this time, in the mid-1990s, that he walked into a special section of CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., called the Historical Intelligence Collection.

"It was a vaulted area and not everybody could get in it," Brandon told The Huffington Post. "One day, I was looking around in there and reading some of the titles that were mostly hand-scribbled summations of what was in the boxes. And there was one box that really caught my eye. It had one word on it: Roswell.

"I took the box down, lifted the lid up, rummaged around inside it, put the box back on the shelf and said, 'My god, it really happened!'"

What exactly did the box contain that had such a powerful impact on Brandon?

chasebrandon

"Some written material and some photographs, and that's all I will ever say to anybody about the contents of that box," he said. "But it absolutely, for me, was the single validating moment that everything I had believed, and knew that so many other people believed had happened, truly was what occurred,"

None of this comes as a surprise to Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear-physicist-turned-UFOlogist, who was the original civilian investigator of the Roswell UFO incident.

In the late 1970s, Friedman began to uncover former military eyewitnesses who had been involved with the original events that took place at Roswell in 1947.

Despite the fact that the military changed its story overnight, saying on July 8, 1947 that a flying disk had been captured but claiming on July 9 that a weather balloon had been recovered, Friedman's early investigative efforts prompted many Roswell witnesses to come forward and tell their stories. Numerous researchers have dug up more facts in the years since.

stanfriedman

"It's been 65 years since things took place at Roswell," Friedman told HuffPost. "How much more widely known could it be -- everywhere I've spoken in the world, they ask about Roswell."

"What we really need now is the Woodward-Bernstein of the UFO world to bring out the disclosure," said Friedman. "Maybe Chase Brandon is a foresight of something going on.

"It's time for the retirement of the mythical part -- where we don't have all the pieces -- to be replaced by the true story of what happened, all the details, and we certainly don't have them."

Watch this video from a 1989 episode of 'Unsolved Mysteries UFO Files: Roswell.'

Brandon is currently promoting his book, "The Cryptos Conundrum," a science fiction story about the history of Earth, contact with extraterrestrials and imagined cataclysmic events on our planet.

He remains steadfast about the pieces of the Roswell puzzle he's willing to share, and he emphasizes there's no internal CIA policy that prevents him from revealing any details of what he saw in that box at the agency headquarters.

"Nobody tells any of us that we can't say anything about sources, methods, classified information having to do with working for the Central Intelligence Agency," Brandon said. "We all sign a secrecy agreement that says we understand we are forbidden to do that by law, and that is an inherent part of keeping and safeguarding what we do, how we do it, why we do it, out of national security concerns.

"I'm not reluctant to talk about it -- I won't talk about it. I'm telling you there was a box that had stuff in there having to do with Roswell, and I looked through it, and it validated everything I believed in, and that's all I have to say about it. I will go to my grave being mindful of the two hats that I wear: My personal one and the one that will forever reside on my head as a former CIA officer
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on July 16, 2012, 07:02:15 pm


Nice addition astr0, thanks!

 8)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: sky otter on July 16, 2012, 09:14:55 pm


hahahahah
hey
i'll spring for the chips if ya send a short version


i said that because  somewhere in there he says that that was the only thing he could talk about
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 22, 2012, 04:10:35 pm


Just for a lark, I googled my nick yesterday and got 3 pages of results with people pasting this Roswell thread to their own ufo website. (So nice to be popular!  :P )
 

...but one of the results was from http://forum.ourradio.hk/

(Hong Kong)


They also had pasted this thread but had also added some commentary of their own.


I had to click on 'translate this page' and you know how well (cough) google translate performs but none the less I found it quite interesting and some of the translations quite amusing -


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://forum.ourradio.hk/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D29936%26page%3D2&prev=/search%3Fq%3DA51watcher%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D908%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=VsiFUIfdD5Km8gT5nYHoCA&ved=0CGEQ7gEwCQ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://forum.ourradio.hk/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D29936%26page%3D2&prev=/search%3Fq%3DA51watcher%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D908%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=VsiFUIfdD5Km8gT5nYHoCA&ved=0CGEQ7gEwCQ)


 8)




Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on October 22, 2012, 04:27:49 pm
Cool.  PRC admin are getting coverage in Asia.

Maybe we should do a global tour....  8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on October 22, 2012, 04:41:39 pm
A51,Did you manage to watch the BBC UFO conspiracy Road trip that I posted...


see the last 5 to 10  minutes in the link below...where Annie Jacobson talks about her latest theories on what happened with the Roswell incident... that the Russians had sent over a Saucer type craft containing  humans made to look Alien like...

Not that she could offer any proof !

 How they keep coming up with new theories !

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2988.0

UFO Conspiracy Road Trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ByWCFX4ZQs
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 22, 2012, 04:51:23 pm
So the Russians used a catapuilt to launch a craft shaped container across the Mexican border that contained kids mutilated by Mengele?

Better do a check on when and where Mengele did what. Doesn't fit.

A catapult will not get you 15,000 mph and 90 degree turns.

Every step of the way her assertions are rediculous.


Oh and they did this every day in 1947 across every state in the nation?

oh puhhhleeeeeeze!    ::)







Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: biggles on October 22, 2012, 05:24:27 pm
A51,Did you manage to watch the BBC UFO conspiracy Road trip that I posted...


see the last 5 to 10  minutes in the link below...where Annie Jacobson talks about her latest theories on what happened with the Roswell incident... that the Russians had sent over a Saucer type craft containing  humans made to look Alien like...

Not that she could offer any proof !

 How they keep coming up with new theories !

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2988.0

UFO Conspiracy Road Trip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ByWCFX4ZQs

Now that's laughable.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: The Seeker on October 22, 2012, 06:37:42 pm
Now that's laughable.
Too much television, too many video games, too much time on their hands,
and evidently they must really think the programming is working...


seeker
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: deuem on October 23, 2012, 05:23:13 am

Just for a lark, I googled my nick yesterday and got 3 pages of results with people pasting this Roswell thread to their own ufo website. (So nice to be popular!  :P )
 

...but one of the results was from http://forum.ourradio.hk/ (http://forum.ourradio.hk/)

(Hong Kong)


They also had pasted this thread but had also added some commentary of their own.


I had to click on 'translate this page' and you know how well (cough) google translate performs but none the less I found it quite interesting and some of the translations quite amusing -


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://forum.ourradio.hk/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D29936%26page%3D2&prev=/search%3Fq%3DA51watcher%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D908%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=VsiFUIfdD5Km8gT5nYHoCA&ved=0CGEQ7gEwCQ (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=http://forum.ourradio.hk/viewthread.php%3Ftid%3D29936%26page%3D2&prev=/search%3Fq%3DA51watcher%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D908%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=VsiFUIfdD5Km8gT5nYHoCA&ved=0CGEQ7gEwCQ)


 8)

Very soon we will have to wait in line just for an autograph. It always amazes me that work like this is coppied to other forums. I guess they don't have their own people to do it. I have found Deuem work in every language all over the world also. So join the club. It is your turn for the 15 minutes.
 
A51, I am still on a very shaky connection. When it hardens up we will be back to work.  I like the new avatar. Nice and clean. Having fun yet?
 
Deuem
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 23, 2012, 08:28:10 pm

Very soon we will have to wait in line just for an autograph.


Either that or a line to view the casket at the wake for releasing this stuff.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: robomont on October 23, 2012, 11:45:56 pm
wow,what a long thread.took me over two hours to read.
excellent job.
thats alot of research.

my uncle made microchip blanks in garland tx.outside of dallas.
he avoided signing non compete and non disclosure by being a football player for university in pennsylvania.he had practice that day.
so he took what he learned about making micro chips and ran with it.thats the family story.supposedly galium arsenide chips are less supsceptable to emp.they are in heat seeking missiles and f16s.
the same industrial park had a business that created the annotated allende letters.there is also garrett electronics metal detectors.
we also have the giant abandoned supercollider  just outside dallas.great place to store a fleet of saucers.someone once suggested building a giant complex in the chalk formation under dallas.maybe that space is already occupied.
if you accept that saucers may be highperformance blimps,then the skin is made near dallas also.titanium silicon carbide.memory foil that can handle 4000F heat and almost bullet proof.
if you add that the people in planes celt static charge at a distance of a mile.with the energy to distance ratio means the craft has a very powerful power supply.
how do we know they are alien?
the hopis say they lived underground with the ant people.maybe they live under the sea too.thats why they never land on water.they submerge.
if xrays can escape a blackhole then xrays are not effected by gravity.
if the craft expels xrays in all directions then to the physical world,the craft is just one big photon.this means the only gravity that effects the passengers is the mass of the craft.anotherwords,you can make high speed tight turns with no g.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 06:30:15 am
NOTE TO NEW MEMBERS

This is a must read thread if you are new to the site. ;)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: VillageIdiot on March 18, 2013, 10:20:05 am
As regards these craft being "in the neighborhood", I've had some personal experiences which lead me to agree with other posters that they are interdimensional.

Now that I've labeled myself as a nut, I retreat to read the rest of the thread.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: karl 12 on March 18, 2013, 02:41:50 pm

NOTE TO NEW MEMBERS

This is a must read thread if you are new to the site. ;)


It certainly is an awesome thread mate with some remarkable research - below are some relevant E-book links and a good interview with Kenneth Arnold 30 years after his 1947 sighting.


Quote
Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 -

by Ted Bloecher, Introduction by Dr James E. Mcdonald.[/b]


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/dbeb36f43b45.jpg)


Quote
During the summer of 1947 a bizarre and inexplicable situation developed in North America for which, up to the time of the writing of this report, twenty years later, no satisfactory explanation has been forthcoming. Beginning in the latter part of June, people in widely separated places and from all walks of life began to report having seen shining, high-speed, strangely maneuvering objects in the sky. In most of these reports the objects were described as round or disc-shaped. For more than a week sightings were made in continuously increasing numbers. On July 4th the reports rose sharply and spontaneously, and for five days there was scarcely any part of the United States that had not been visited by these strangely elusive aerial objects. Reports came from many points in Canada as well. The number of sightings crested on July 7th, and during the next few days reports began to diminish until, about a week later, only a handful were being made from scattered sections of the country. Although the objects themselves had all but vanished, interest and speculation about them continued for some time after. A wave of sightings of unidentified flying objects had occurred. Flying saucers had become part of the language and the subject of fickle interest and ever-increasing confusion.

Link (http://nicap.org/waves/Wave47Rpt/ReportUFOWave1947_Menu.htm)



Quote
Alfred Loedding and the great flying saucer wave of 1947 -

by Michael D Hall & Wendy A Conners.


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/70fbb924db7b.jpg)


Quote
This book is an acute analysis of the myriad of UFO sightings that were reported across the U.S. during the summer of 1947. Hundreds of unidentified flying objects were seen all over the country and both the mainstream media and the military took the phenomenon very seriously.

But where does Alfred Loedding come into the picture? Well, Mr. Loedding was a civilian engineer for the U.S. Air Force at the time, specializing in low-aspect design aircraft, such as flying wings or flying disks, i.e. exactly the type of aircrafts that were being sighted around the country.

So, due to his expertise he became involved in the investigation of the UFOs, relaying information between the Air Force and the Pentagon. Loedding became a member of Project Sign, which was the Air Force’s formal UFO investigation unit. When the Air Force ended its UFO investigation program in 1969, Loedding had investigated hundreds of UFO reports and interviewed countless witnesses.

Link (pdf)  (http://www.nicap.org/loedding/LoeddingBook.pdf)



Quote
The Flying Saucers Are Real

by Donald Keyhoe [1950]


(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/05f1e943e61f.jpg)


Quote
This was one of the first books published about the UFO phenomena. We are fortunate that it ended up in the public domain.

It is a template for much of what would follow: the paranoia, the government disinformation, the inescapable conclusion that the saucers are not of this earth. Keyhoe, with his spare, matter of fact writing style, which also conveys a profound sense of wonder, has to be the prototype for the deadpan Fox Mulder of the X-Files.

On one hand we can see the birth of a key modern mythology. On the other, there is a body of almost naive evidence in this text unpolluted by that very mythology. The case studies are real. The witnesses were highly reliable. These cases are still unexplained.

link (http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/fsar/index.htm)



Interview:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ML2XqltZI[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 04:41:19 pm
Good links Karl.  The first two have been important sources for our research. :)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on July 08, 2013, 04:51:16 am
Ran across this old newspaper...

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/969493_552457828134502_1870958490_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on July 08, 2013, 05:00:16 am
All I have on this one is 1956

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/970583_551712001542418_988968217_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on August 06, 2013, 07:36:18 pm

And here we are 65 years later, and -still- no country has displayed technology like this that were recorded doing 15,000 mph and instantaneous 90 degree turns.

And so, in 1947, whose could they have been?


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on March 06, 2014, 12:32:25 am

Time for a Deuem update to a sighting listed earlier in this thread -


Quote
July 10 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey - Early A.M. EST

MORRISTOWN DAILY RECORD (New Jersey) 7/11


Six daylight discs observed from aircraft


John H. Janssen, editor of the Daily Record reported that on the preceding morning he "caught a glint in the sky and saw a formation of six luminous spherical craft, with hazy rings around them flying in a trail at about 10,000 feet in the sky" above him.

He grabbed his camera and "quickly fitted a filter to his camera lens" -

(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/143d802ed6ae.jpg)

"I had only time for this one picture. While I was turning the film for the next exposure the lead disc suddenly shot upward and toward New York City in a dazzling burst of speed. The other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye."

"In my brief glimpse of the discs I did notice that the lead one was of a dull metallic color and the others appeared to be of a silvery hue."

"From where I stood on the top of my car watching the strange craft," he said, "I guessed them to be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet in diameter. The circumference was the thinnest part of the ships and widened toward the middle where possibly they could be ten to twenty feet high."


While chatting with Deuem last night I finally remembered to have him take a look at the above photo.

He only had time to run "the one in the middle" the one on the far right of the line of four.

Here is the result -


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/SnapShot031612_zps05fe0fdb.jpg)


Amazing work D!!

He expects to run the other craft later when he gets home.

Sander he would like you to look at that one if you could please. (me too!  ;D )



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on March 06, 2014, 07:22:36 am
CONFIDENTIAL

 


HEADQUARTERS MUROC ARMY AIR FIELD
OFFICE OF THE COMMANDING OFFICER
MUROC, CALIFORNIA


jsr/TAM                 
14 August 1947                 



 



      SUBJECT:      Investigation of "Flying Discs" 
 
     
      TO:       Commanding General 
         Headquarters Fourth Air Force 
         Hamilton Field, 
       San Francisco, California 
     
     
   
      ATTEN:       AC of S, A-2

 
        1:            In compliance with your LEAD SHEET dated 6 August 1947,
subject,   Investigation of   "Flying Saucers",  the enclosed statements
are submitted for your information. 



signed                           


HARRY. D. BLACK                     
Captain, MAC,                           
Intelligence Officer                     
 


  Inc.  1-8 Statements Re: "Flying Discs" 

A F F I D A V  I  T

 


STATE OF CALIFORNIA)
COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by 1st. Lt. Joseph C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947, to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC S/A. this station.

     The following statement concerning the actual observance of what has been termed as a "flying Disc" or a "flying saucer" is true and correct and it will be noted that the above mentioned observance was made by me personally while enjoying complete health in mind and body.

     On Tuesday 8 July 1947, at approximately nine-thirty A.M. (09:30) was in conversation with personnel in the Post Exchange Office. My part of this conversation was as follows:


     "Someone will have to show me one of these Disc (sic) before I will believe it."

     Upon leaving the Post Exchange, I went directly to my Office and before entering heard one of our local aircraft in the traffic pattern. Looking up, as I always do I observed the aircraft, and looked slightly to the left, whereupon I observed two (2) silver objects of either a spherical or disc-like shape, moving about three hundred (300) miles an hour, or perhaps less, as approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, heading at about three hundred twenty degrees (320) due north.

     When I first observed these objects I called S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and Miss Jannette Marie Scotte who immediately came to where I was standing. I pointed in the direction of the objects, and asked them the question "Tell me what you see up there." Whereupon, all the three (3) with sundry comments stated, "They are flying Disc". To further verify my observance I asked them to tell me in what direction the objects were traveling, without indicating their direction myself, and again, all three (3) in a consistant nature stated that the objects were moving toward Mojave, California.

     I had time to look away several times and renew my vision of the objects to make sure that they were not any results of eye strain, or in any nature an optical illusion. The objects in question were not repeat, were not aircraft, the objects could not have been weather balloons released from this station, since they were traveling against the prevailing wind, and since the speed in which they were traveling, disqualified the fact that they were weather balloons.

 

 

CONFIDENTIAL
 
     After the observance of these phenomenon and hoping that I might have time to enlist further witnesses, I immediately ran into the dispensary to get personnel who are Medical Officers to verify, for my own curiosity, the actual observance of these objects, but by the time I reached the back porch seven (7) other personnel were with me, the objects had by that time, disappeared, due to the speed with which they were traveling. Upon further investigation, two (2) of us at the same time sighted another object of a silver spherical or disc-like nature at approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, traveling in circles over the North-end. I called the objects to the attention of Mrs. Naum and pointed it out to the other personnel standing near by. All of us saw the object, with the exception of two (2) out of seven (7) personnel. All of us looked away from the object to make sure there was no eye strain or from permitting the object to become an optical illusion.

     From my actual observance the object circled in too tight a circle and too severe a plane to be any aircraft that I know of. It could not have been any type of bird because of the reflection that was created when the object reached certain altitudes. The object could not have been a local weather balloon for it is very impossible that a weather balloon would stay at the same altitude as long and circle in such a consistant nature as did the above mentioned object.

     I am familiar with the results of too constant vision of the sun or any bright object and am aware that optical illusions are possible and probable. I wish to make this statement that the above mentioned observance was that of actual subject matter.

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of two (2) pages, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s  joseph c  mc henry
1ST. LT. JOSEPH C. MC HENRY, AC



CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T
 

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by Major Richard R. Shoop, Office of Chief of Tech. Engineering Division, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947

      At approximately noon on 8 July 1947, my attention was called to an object in the air by Colonel Gilkey. I observed between five (5) and eight (8) miles to the North what appeared to be a thin metallic object. It appeared to be metallic because the method in which it was flying caused the sun to reflect like an apparently aluminum colored surface. The object moved from an intermediate altitude in an oscillating fashion, almost to the surface of the ground and then started climbing again. It climbed to a fairly high altitude and moved off slowly into the distance. The object appeared to be the size of a pursuit airplane but did not have the shape of a conventional plane. The time that the object was in view was approximately eight (8) minutes. This same object was seen by my wife at the same time.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s   richard r. shoop
MAJOR, RICHARD R. SHOOP, AC
 

CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by Captain John Paul Strapp, Flight Test, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC Agent, this Station, on 12 August 1947.

     At 11:50 hours, 8 July 1947, while the undersigned was sitting in an observation truck located in Area # 3, Rogers Dry Lake, for the purpose of observing a P-82 ejection seat experiment, the following unfamiliarity was observed.

      The undersigned was gazing upward toward a formation of two (2) P-82's and an A-26 aircraft flying at 20,000 feet, preparing to carry out a seat ejection experiment, when I observed a rounded object, white aluminum in color, which at first resembled a parachute canopy. The first impression was that a premature ejection of the seat and dummy had occurred. This body was ejected at a determined height lower than 20,000 feet, and was falling at three (3) times the rate observed for the parachute which ejected thirty minutes later. As it fell it drifted slowly north of due west against the prevailing wind, toward Mount Wilson. The speed, horizontal motion could not be determined, but appeared slower than the maximum velocity 50-80 aircraft.

     As this object descended through a low enough level to permit observation of its lateral silhouette, it presented a distinct ovular outline, with two (2) projections on the upper surface which might have been thick fins or nobs. These crossed each other at intervals, suggesting either rotation or oscillation of slow type.

     No smoke flames, propellar arks, engine noise, or other clasuable or visible means of propulsion were noted. The color was silvery, resembling aluminum painted fabric, and did not appear as dense as a parachute canopy.

     When the object dropped to a level such that comes into line of vision of the mountain tops, it was lost to the vision of the observer.

     It is estimated that the object was in line of vision for about 90 seconds. Of the five (5) people sitting in the observation truck, four (4) observed this object and made remarks about it. These people include:


Mr Lenz - Civilian, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio
(Other names not given)
     The following is my own personal opinions about this subject:


     1.  I think it was a man-made object, as evidenced distinctly by the the outline and functional appearance.

 


CONFIDENTIAL


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 

CONFIDENTIAL
 
     2.   It's size was not far from 25 feet with a parachute canopy.

     3.   The path followed by this object appeared as though it might have been dropped from a great height.

     Seeing this was not a hallucination or other fancies of a sense.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of two (2) pages, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s    john paul strapp
CAPTAIN JOHN PAUL STRAPP, AC
 


CONFIDENTIAL
 

 
A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

 

     The following is a statement given by Major J. C. Wise, Test Pilot, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC Agent, This Station, on 13 August 1947.

     On 7 July 1947, at approximately 10:10, while running up the XP-84 on the ground I noticed everyone was looking up into the air. Off to the north about 10,000 feet altitude, was an object that I assumed at first to be a weather balloon, but after looking at it for a while I noticed that it was oscillating in a forward whirling movement without losing altitude. It was traveling about 200 to 225 MPH, and heading from west to east.

     The object was yellowish white in color and I would estimate that it was a sphere about 5 to 10 feet in diameter.

     I did not have time to chase it in a P-80.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief.


s/s   j.c.wise   
MAJOR J.C. WISE, AC



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given on 14 July 1947, by Jannette Marie Scott, Secretary to 1st Lt. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California.

     I am fully aware of my Civil and Constitutional Rights, and understand prior to making this statement.

     On Tuesday morning 8 July 1947, at approximately 10:00m while typing some cards, and taking care of my routine work, Lieutenant McHenry called me, along with T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, to the front of B.O.Q. "A" Bldg. Pointing up in a direction directly above me he asked us to explain what we saw. There were two, silver colored disc like objects flying toward Mojave, California, one directly back of the other, at a speed of about 300 to 400 miles per hour, having an altitude of approximately 8000 feet. I listened carefully for a few minutes, and heard no drone, such as should be heard from any aircraft. I also cast my eyes to another direction and looking back to the same spot, I was able to distinguish the same objects again. Having assured myself that there was no eye-strain, I was convinced these objects were not weather balloons due to the horizontal position in which they were flying. Nor could they have been birds of any nature, due to the definite reflection from the sun rays.

     I have been on this Base, considering an absence of six months, approximately eighteen months, and am familiar with all type aircraft.

     About three or four minutes, after these flying objects had nearly disappeared, I glanced around and sighted another flying object, similar to the above mentioned objects. This flying object was silver colored and was in the shape of a disc. Unlike the first two this object was flying in a tight circle, neither losing nor gaining altitude, at approximately eight thousand feet, therefore I was convinced it could not have been a weather balloon, and because of the tight circle it could not have been any type aircraft.

     This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belife.(sic) I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.

     I am of sound mind and body, and swear that this statement is true and correct.


s/s     jannette marie scott 
        Jannette Marie Scott



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by S/Sgt. Gerald E Nauman, 4144th, AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14 July 1947, to 1st. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

     On the eight of July 1947 at ten o'clock (10:00) in the morning I observed personally two (2) flying disc, flying in a north east direction at an estimated altitude of seven or eight thousand feet, traveling at approximately three or four hundred miles per hour.

     Just a few minutes before this I was in the Billeting Office and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, called me and two (2) others outside. He then asked us what we saw. I saw two (2) objects with my own eyes, and I am now and was then in perfect physical condition. I have 20-20 vision and I am positive these two (2) objects could not have been aircraft, weather balloon or birds. Due to the altitude in which they were flying, they gave off a definite reflection from the rays of the sun.

     In addition to these two (2) disc I saw another object a few minutes later at the same altitude doing certain maneuvers such as flying in a tight circle. The two disc had already disappeared. This object to my knowledge of aircraft could not have been a airplane because of the very tight maneuver it was undergoing. I have been flying in and have been around all type of aircraft since 1943 and never in my life have I seen anything such as this. If necessary I can and will swear to this statement.

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s   t.c.robinson   
PFC. T.C. ROBINSON



A F F I D A V  I  T

 
STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

     The following is a statement given by T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo, 4144th, AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14th July 1947, to 1st Lt. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

     This is my own written statement of what I saw on July 8, 1947.

     I am NCO in charge of the Billeting Office, this field, and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, is Billeting Officer in Charge.

     About 09:45 he was returning from the Post exchange when he called to me to come outside and asked me to look up to where he was pointing and to my surprise I saw two (2) flying objects which appeared to me like two (2) flying disc or saucer shaped silver colored objects, flying in a northwestern direction at speed approximately 350 or 400 miles per hour and at an altitude of about 7500 or 8000 feet. I could not hear a motor roar like one of our planes and it could not have been a balloon.

     I am of good health and sound mind and this was no halucination.(sic)

     This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.


s/s      joseph ruvolo   
S/Sgt. JOSEPH RUVOLO



CONFIDENTIAL

 


HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California
 


TITLE Investigation of Flying Disc.       INVESTIGATION MADE AT: Muroc AAF, Muroc, Calif.
 
 
 CONTROLLING OFFICE Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field.
 
FILE No. 1208-I
 PERIOD COVERED      8 July 1947
 
 CASE CLASSIFICATION    Incident   
 
DATE 18 August 1947
 STATUS OF CASE           Pending   
 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

REASON FOR INVESTIGATION:   Investigation initiated at request of Air Defense Command reference ltr Hq ADC, dtd 7 Jul 47, file D333.5 ID, subj: Investigation of Flying Disc


http://www.project1947.com/fig/47docdex.htm
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on March 06, 2014, 01:48:33 pm


Good stuff Elvis, thanks for the addition.

I am still amazed that Deuem managed to pull anything out of that photo above.

I guess that just proves that old photons never die, they just shade away.



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on March 06, 2014, 02:21:35 pm
Yea Deuem will find it if it's there.
That period is intense.
The hay day .
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on March 08, 2014, 02:24:21 pm



The Washington Daily News, p. 2, July 8, 1947

HOLLYWOOD-- Orson Welles, the original man from Mars broadcaster, said today he didn’t have a thing to do with the flying discs. 

“Once was enough,” he finished.

 ;D


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: 1967sander on March 09, 2014, 01:48:52 pm
Hi there,

(1) I took a look at the picture and noticed that the UFO are out of focus. There is motion blur of 5 pixels at an angle of 31 degrees.
(2) I corrected motion blur and increased size of the image using Lanczos 4.
(3) Removed ringing, corrected contrast levels and adjusted colours.
(4) Finally I performed polynomial texture mapping and used the depth map in combination withRedfield++ filtration. 

The result is a formation of UFO which now appear to have the same shape.

 (http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18154309_143d802ed6ae.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18154309/143d802ed6ae.jpg.html) (http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18154313_143d802ed6ae.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18154313/143d802ed6ae.png.html) (http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18154314_143d802ed6ae140309205436.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18154314/143d802ed6ae140309205436.jpg.html) (http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/18154315_4253710.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18154315/4253710.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: robomont on March 09, 2014, 02:07:40 pm
Good job sander.thankyou
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 09, 2014, 03:35:54 pm
Wow. Gold to Elvis for some cool input that didn't involve sausages or chickens, and also gold to Sander for that great pic.
Deuem has enough gold already LOL
It seems (to me) from both processes that there is a very intense field around those ships.

This is what makes Pegasus so special, we take the available data & we do something with it. We dissect the info, we discuss it.
OK so we may not always agree on the results, but results are there nonetheless, proud of you guys (and gals) ;D
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on March 09, 2014, 04:42:52 pm

The result is a formation of UFO which now appear to have the same shape.

Indeed they do!

They also appear to be all tilted at the same angle.

And a strong energy field surrounding all as well.

Great work!  8)


You certainly have your chops down Sander!

Your work displayed on peggy so far is amazing.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on June 30, 2014, 10:32:48 pm

Another witness, from Kevin Randle -


"While sitting at my table in the International UFO Museum and Research Center in Roswell, I heard a woman behind me say, “That was my father.” She was pointing to a picture of one of the soldiers assigned to the base in 1947.

I listened to her for a moment and then stood up to learn who she was and what she had been told.


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dgyJlm9VFog/TiiRk9vyI8I/AAAAAAAABEE/lFSP5kD4uGk/s200/Rowletts+Daughter.jpg)


Her name was Carlene Green (seen here pointing to her father's picture) who was the daughter of Sergeant Homer G. Rowlette, a member of the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron.

And as established by the Yearbook produced by Walter Haut in 1947, he was clearly in Roswell at the right time.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1jBFCTLERFQ/TiiRNfdzB3I/AAAAAAAABEA/itTFPvpSXHI/s200/Rowlette.jpg)


According to what she said, she learned of her father’s part in the crash retrieval just days before he died.

He was on a Gurney and about to be wheeled into an operating room when he asked her to come closer so that he could speak to her.

He told her that he had been at the base when the “spaceship” crashed and that he had seen it.

He said that the craft was rounded and that he had seen three “little people,” and suggested that one of them had survived the crash.

He apologized for not telling her sooner but that he had told her brother the story sometime earlier.

Finally he cautioned her to keep it all to herself, or else."


Source page click here (http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2011-09-11T17:20:00-07:00&max-results=20&start=153&by-date=false)






Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on August 14, 2014, 06:29:58 pm


Another military witness that saw the bodies -


[youtube]sJJw7e1Jbi8[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJw7e1Jbi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJw7e1Jbi8)




Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on August 15, 2014, 01:23:43 am

Oh and they did this every day in 1947 across every state in the nation?


I want to know what would motivate Aliens to suddenly make mass appearances in 1947.
Sort of note to self.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on August 15, 2014, 01:31:29 am
Originally posted by Condemned0625
I figured you would pick upon my various sarcasm about "the crash". Obviously the Army was in a pickle, and was daily being made fools of by these things that demonstrated vast superiority, and that the Army was unable to control/defend our skies.

So I wonder which scenario happened in private with the General and his staff seated around a conference table:

A) General: "Gee I hope one of those pretty flying saucers comes down and lands and introduces themselves to us, they are makin us look kinda bad right now. Let me know when that happens ok?"

or

B) General: "I don't care WHAT it takes... BRING ONE OF THOSE THINGS DOWN... NOW!!!
Do you understand me??!!

"...Guard planes "patrol" saucer routes with camera's..." Yeah you bet, along with our top weapons of the day too!!

C) Lets pretend to take down one of those things.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on August 15, 2014, 01:53:41 am
I want to know what would motivate Aliens to suddenly make mass appearances in 1947.
Sort of note to self.

Nuclear testing.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on August 15, 2014, 02:21:57 am
Nuclear testing.

And they turned up two years late? lol - I'm going to have a coffee, and return to present my thoughts thus far.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on August 15, 2014, 02:29:59 am
And they turned up two years late? lol - I'm going to have a coffee, and return to present my thoughts thus far.

Not really sinny, yea Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 1945, but the testing escalated all through the forties. Look at bikini atoll, the marshall islands etc. Effectively contaminating paradise.
that must have garnered attention. Don't you think?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on August 15, 2014, 03:07:51 am
Okay so here's my thoughts so far - if I post anything in error, all are free to correct me.

Bear in mind, I still have my own UFO's mysteries to be solved, and my motive here is just to view things objectively.

So far A51's argument for ET at Roswell consists of:

1) Testimonies and hearsay from ex miliatry men.
2) "The Saucer invasion of 1947".
3) Military and technological advances from 1947.

In defence of the Roswell ET scenario, the following have been peiced together:

After the atomic bomb of 1945, we gained the attention of an ET force that would not permit the further use of Atomic weaponry. They 'buzzed' all military and nuclear instilations across America in 1947 to make this point clear. Out technological advances came from an ET ship that we managed to 'down'. There is no other possible explanation for these craft apart from ET as, as A51 states, this technology is not humanly possible. Hence since 1947 the American military and others have been trying to cover the truth of ET visitation for the best part of 70 years.

Have I missed anything??

My counter argument:

If Aliens were that concerned about Atmoic energy, they would not have allowed the bombs to be detonated in 1945.
They would not have waited two more years before trying to intimidate us out of atomic energy.
If they were that 'advanced' they would not have 'crashed' at Roswell. I do not think the only people who could have this technology is ET. There are rumours that past Earth people have had this 'new' technology, and there are also rumours human were working on this technology in the late 18th century. At no time during this thread has Admiral Byrds Opertaion Highjump been included which also provide testimony that the Nazi's had flying saucer craft that could, quote "fly from pole to pole", unquote. I find it highly unlikely that if an Alien ship did crash at Roswell, the Air Force officers in question would have really told the media about it, and although that story was retracted, it still set the scene for one of the most prevalent myths in modern history. 

My question is, apart from hearsay, has anybody got real proof of ET at Roswell?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on August 15, 2014, 09:41:35 am
Sinny that's an interesting point about Admiral Byrd.
Operation Highjump was indeed conducted in 1946-47.
Could the expedition have opened a hornets nest down there? and could the myriad sightings be a result of just that?.
This is of course pure conjecture but the time frame is relevant.
im sure we are all aware of Byrd and his activities but here is a synopsis for anyone  unfamiliar.



Operation Highjump.
  In 1947 Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal sent a naval task force
to Antarctic including Admiral Nimitz, Admiral Krusen and Admiral
Byrd, called "Operation Highjump". It was touted to be an expedition
to find "coal deposits" and other valuable resources, but in actuality
they were trying to find the underground base of the nazis (aryans) in  Neuschwabenlandt. The nazis had done a very detailed study of
Antarctic and were alleged to have built an underground base there.
     In this regard however, the aryans have had an underground
habitation in Antarctic for more than a million years.

        The task force of OVER 40 SHIPS, included the flagship "Mount
Olympus", the aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea", the seaplane tender
"Pine Sea", the submarine "Senate", the destroyer "Bronson", the ice
breaker "Northwind", and other tanker and supply ships. An armed
contingent of 1400 sailors, and three dog sled teams were also on
board.
     The expedition was filmed by the Navy and brought to Hollywood to be made into a commercial film called "The Secret Land". It was narrated by Hollywood actor Robert Montgomery (Naval reserve Officer) .

     There were three divisions of Operation High Jump: one land
group with tractors, explosives, and plenty of equipment to refurbish
"Little America", and make an airstrip to land the six R-4D's (DC-3's),
and two seaplane groups. The R4-D's were fitted with jet-assist takeoff  bottles (JATO) in order to takeoff from the short runway of the
aircraft carrier "Philipine Sea". They also were fitted with large skis for landing on the ice field prepared for them. The skis were specially
fitted at three inches above the surface of the carrier deck. When
landing on the ice at "Little America" the three inches of tire in
contact with the snow and ice provided just enough and not too much
drag for a smooth landing.

     Admiral Byrd's team of six R4-D's were fitted with the super secret
"Trimetricon" spy cameras and each plane was trailing a
magnetometer. They flew over as much of the continent as they could in the short three month "summer" period, mapping and recording
magnetic data. Magnetometers show anomalies in the Earth's
magnetism, i.e. if there is a "hollow" place under the surface ice or
ground, it will show up on the meter.

         On the last of many "mapping" flights where all six planes went
out, each on certain pre-ordained paths to film and "measure" with
magnetometers, Admiral Byrd's plane returned THREE HOURS LATE.

         It was stated that he had "lost an engine" and had had to throw
everything overboard except the films themselves and the results of
magnetometer readings in order to maintain altitude long enough to return to Little America.
     This is most certainly the time when he met with representatives of
the aryans and a contingent of nazis.

         The task force came steaming back with their data which then
became classified "top secret". Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal
retired and started to "talk". He was put in Bethesda Naval Hospital
psychiatric ward where he was prevented from seeing or talking to
anyone, including his wife! after a short while he was thrown out the
window while trying to hang himself with a bedsheet. It was ruled a
suicide, case closed. He was telling people about the underground
aryan base.

Elvis
 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on August 15, 2014, 10:04:59 am
Its also a lovely pretext for the 1950's 'Venusian' contact that were to me made by Adammski, Menger and Co.

Is it a coincidence these alien craft looked just like the early Nazi models? Andis it just a coincidence these people were Nordic?

Admamski, or Menger, or Both ( my memory does not serve) admitted it was a hoax connected to CIA factions?

Wasn't Van Tassle intorrogated over being a Nazi spy?

Not to mention the rest.

Sorry for the spelling.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 29, 2014, 09:38:41 pm


I sorted the following sightings by similar characteristics to help clarify the picture -

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May 5 1947 - Tucson, Arizona


Mrs. H.G. Olavick witnessed ten flying discs make some curious aerial maneuvers near Tucson.

One of those objects appeared larger than the other nine discs, perhaps as big as 100 feet in diameter. Viewed with her husband, they both agreed at the time that the discs must be some sort of new high performance military aircraft.

As they watched, the nine smaller craft began "playing around the cloud" in violent aerial maneuvers for about seven minutes as if making mock dogfights. Finally regrouping in a V formation behind the larger craft, they flew off with tremendous acceleration toward the northeast.

Source: Dr. James McDonald


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June 30 - Norwood, Ohio - Night EST

CINCINNATI TIMES-STAR (Ohio) 7/7


Mrs. H. W. Stockwell reported that she saw a group of seven disc-like objects in the sky over Norwood.

One of the discs was much larger than the rest and she estimated its size to be at least "a mile in diameter."

She did not mention the sighting until a week later because she said she felt "a little silly about it. Now I think that if they are dangerous, everybody should know about them."


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July 6 1947 - Palmdale, California - 10:36 p.m. PST

SOUTH ANTELOPE VALLEY PRESS (California) 7/10
LOS ANGELES NEWS 7/7
LOS ANGELES TIMES 7/7
LOS ANGELES EXAMINER 7/8
LOS ANGELES HERALD-EXPRESS 7/7
DENVER POST (INS, Lancaster) 7/7
CHICAGO HERALD-AMERICAN (INS, Lancaster) 7/7
DETROIT NEWS (UP) 7/7
MONTREAL STAR (UP) 7/7


Mrs. Amy Herdliska, reported that she had seen a group of objects twice during the late evening behaving in a most peculiar manner.

She reported to Sgt. W. K. Campbell, of the Lancaster County sheriff's substation that "over the mountains south of Palmdale, I saw what looked like a mama disc, with three to five little baby discs flying around her.

"The little ones would cavort around for awhile, then they'd fly back and seem to fly into the mama disc's pouch. Anyway, the mama disc absorbed the baby discs," she explained.

Mrs. Herdliska said that the objects "were luminescent and clearly visible," and before they had disappeared to the south over the mountains, they were seen "separating" again.

She reported that a second flight of the same puzzling objects was made again at 11:17 p.m.


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July 7 1947 - Tacoma, Washington - 2:30 a.m. PST

TACOMA NEWS-TRIBUNE (Washington) 7/7
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/7
SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (AP, Tacoma) (Washington) 7/7
OREGON JOURNAL (AP, Tacoma) (Portland) 7/7
TACOMA TIMES (Washington) 7/7 - Tacoma Police Sight Soaring Discs
OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/7 - Tacoma Cops Spy Discs Around 'Mother'


Two Tacoma prowl car officers Evan Davies and Stan Johnson were parked at North 33rd and Adams Streets with their headlights and motor turned off. Davies' attention was caught by a "streak" in the sky; looking more closely, he saw a strange spectacle.

"I didn't say anything," he reported later. "Then I noticed Stan was watching it too."

"Do you see anything?" Johnson asked.

"Yeah, do you?" Davies answered cautiously.

"I thought I was crazy," Johnson remarked with relief. "I've been watching it for five minutes."

"So have I," his partner admitted.

The cause for this guarded exchange was the sight of a group of six or seven disc-like objects seen just below a bright moon in the southern sky.

One central object, larger than the others, seemed to act as a sort of "flagship." The smaller objects would make repeated movements toward the large disc and then glide away to the south.

The officers said the larger disc appeared to be "spinning like a top, and throwing off sparks like a bursting sky rocket," and then attracting the tiny objects back "like a mother hen with her chicks."

The officers estimated that the objects were at an altitude of about 10,000 feet. The smaller "and more distinct objects" began to move westward in a loose group, and vanished from view, while the large disc remained for a brief time in one spot, and then it too began to move westward.

The men decided to give chase, and Davies radioed the police dispatcher, D. F. Erickson,
"Car No. 5, Johnson and Davies to KGZN. We're chasing a flying saucer towards the Narrows Bridge site."

As they sped westward, the officers radioed their course and a running description of the phenomenon. Johnson said that although it was impossible to judge altitude, size, speed or distance accurately, the large disc appeared to move at tremendous speed and was the apparent "size of a softball." (ed: at arm's length)

One of the smaller discs was seen flying over South Tacoma; later, another was seen to the west, over Hood Canal; a third, which flew out of sight in less than a minute, appeared over Commencement Bay.
 
At one point, the large object made a rapid ascent of an estimated 5,000 feet above its former altitude at extremely high speed, "quicker than you could snap your fingers,"
according to Davies.

He said that the parent disc "seemed a shade of red part of the time, particularly when it zoomed upward, but most of the time it was a sort of luminous silver."
Johnson vividly recalled the way the objects jumped over considerable distances.

The officers finally lost sight of the object over the western horizon. In all, they had observed the phenomenon for a half an hour.

At the police station, officers said an unnamed caller from South Tacoma had phoned in exactly at the same time to report seeing the same spectacle, and M. C. Streans, reported he had watched the same phenomenon sometime after 2:00 a.m.

Davies said that the most striking feature of the entire sighting was the way the objects would suddenly jump from one location to another spot "miles away."

At one point they had shot up suddenly through a substantial vertical distance.  Both Davies and Johnson agreed that these objects could not have been any conventional aircraft.

There was another patrol car which had been alerted and the officers in that car had also seen the objects.


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July 7 1947 - Cicero, Illinois - Day

CHICAGO TIMES 7/8


Richard Allen, saw a formation consisting of one large disc, about the size of a blimp and silver in color, with three or four smaller discs following it in a straight line.


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July 7 1947 - Manchester, Maine - 9:30 p.m. EDT


A report of an "illuminated galaxy of flying discs" seen by three members of a family during the evening was made.

The objects were seen first by Charles Crockett, 15, as he was walking toward his home on the highway between Manchester Four Corners and the Augusta Country Club.

The cluster of luminous objects was seen to the west, over the north end of Lake Cobbosseecontee. They were still there when he arrived home a few minutes later, so he summoned his mother, Mrs. Doris Crockett, and his grandmother, Mrs. Abbie Hallowell, who confirmed his observation.

Charles described what he saw as "about eight or ten smaller discs revolving around a big disc-shaped spot of light." The objects remained in view for fifteen minutes before they faded out of sight.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 29, 2014, 10:49:52 pm


July 3 - Conowingo Dam, Pennsylvania - 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. EST (6:00TO7:00amPST)

YORK DISPATCH (Pennsylvania) 7/9
BRADFORD ERA (Pennsylvania) 7/10


Up to 100 fishermen saw eight disc-shaped objects maneuver wildly in the clouds over Conowingo Dam.


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July 4 - Hauser Lake, Idaho - 7:00 P.M. PST

SPOKANE DAILY CHRONICLE (Washington) 7/5
SEATTLE TIMES (Washington) 7/6
OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/5
DENVER POST - (Colorado) 7/5
CHICAGO SUNDAY TIMES (AP) (Illinois) 7/6

 
A many as 200 people observed a disc at Hauser Lake, Idaho, just a few miles northeast of Spokane.

George Aster described that event, stating, "I pointed it out to the others and they all stood around and followed it for about 30 minutes while it hovered (and slightly wobbled) at about ten degrees above the horizon."

The witness saw the craft while celebrating the holiday at the lake and agreed that it must have hovered at about 20,000 feet until an aircraft came into the area and all of a sudden it shot straight up into the sky and vanished in "a fraction of a second."

Others in Aster's party who said they had watched the object were his wife, Mr. and Mrs. O. N. Daerwold, and Mr. and Mrs. Noble Hunvlade.

Observers gave a host of physical descriptions ranging from a shiny aluminum disc—shaped craft to having the appearance of a silver dollar approximately 30 feet across.


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July 4 - Milwaukie, Oregon - 1:00 P.M. PST

USAF PROJECT BLUE BOOK FILES

Three discs in a line formation were observed flying in a northeasterly direction by State Police Sergeant Claude Cross.

Also across the Columbia River from Portland near Vancouver, Washington, Clark County Sheriffs Deputies John Sullivan, Clarence McKay, and Fred Krives reported up to 30 such flying objects.

Their sightings (which actually involved eight deputies) began after hearing reports of flying discs broadcast on the police radio.

The deputies then went outside of the sheriffs headquarters to have a look for themselves and soon caught sight of "round" objects flying over high and fast in a straight line toward the west and south.

As they passed, a low humming noise could be detected.

Witnesses told the International News Service that "they were there and no mistake about that."

They explained that the objects appeared in the southwest over the courthouse heading southwest at about 1,000 feet.

The deputies saw numerous flights of discs—the first of which had seven objects in it. The tail end of that formation split off the main line to form a separate group rising above the others. They were described as disc-shaped with speeds approximating an aircraft.


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July 4 - Twin Falls, Idaho - 2:50 p.m. MST (1:50pmPST)

SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5
AP in many papers for 7/5


A. E. Mitchell, of Goose Creek, Texas, was visiting relatives in Twin Falls when, during a July 4th outing at Twin Falls Park, seven miles east of the city, he was one of seven persons who reported seeing a group of disc—like objects in a rough V-formation flying overhead to the west.

They were flying high and at great speed, Mitchell reported.

About ten minutes later, Mitchell and a group of others, now totaling more than twenty, saw a second flight of nine or ten objects circling overhead in a loose formation. The objects gained altitude rapidly and, when almost out of sight, were seen proceeding westward.

All the witnesses agreed that the objects were not in any well—defined formation while climbing.
 
At 3:10 p.m., with a sizeable crowd of now nearly sixty persons peering skywards, a third group was seen circling and climbing.

Mitchell reported that "I distinctly counted 18 before they climbed so high only two or three could be seen."

He said that these objects, too, were last, seen moving westward, putting on a burst of speed as they departed.


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July 4 - Twin Falls, Idaho - Between 2:30 P.M. and 3:10 P.M. MST (1:30and2:10pmPST)

SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER (Washington) 7/5


Sixty picnickers watched three formations of discs ranging from twenty to nine objects
flying overhead from the local park of Twin Falls.


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07/06/1947 The Oregonian

Puzzle Alerts Entire Nation to Scan Sky

By Associated Press
The nation’s perplexity over discs reported spinning through the skies deepened Saturday in the wake of July 4 reports from virtually all parts of the country.

There was no scientific explanation offered to fit the observations which spanned the nation from the Pacific to the gulf to the Atlantic.

A mass of evidence piled up swiftly as holiday throngs and fliers joined in telling of seeing bright, pancakelike objects skimming through the air at varying estimates of altitude and speed.

Former skeptics joined the ranks of the believers as the flashing objects glittered before their eyes. Reliable observers, such as Capt. E. J. Smith of United Air Lines, his copilot Ralph Stevens, and his stewardess Marty Morrow, told of seeing the round flat objects for 12 minutes while flying west from Boise, Idaho, on Independence day evening. Ex-airmen, picnickers, motorists, and housewives swelled the number of witnesses to the strange phenomenon.

Pilot Sees Objects First

The first published report of “flying saucers” came from Kenneth Arnold, Boise, Idaho, businessman pilot, who reported at Pendleton, Or., on June 25 that he had seen nine flying at 1200 miles an hour in formation, shifting position “like the tail of a kite,” over Washington state’s Cascade mountains.

Before scoffers had more than begun to offer explanations such as “reflections,” “persistent vision” and “snow blindness,” an Oklahoma City private flier, Byron Savage, said he had seen a similarly shaped object some weeks earlier, but that fear of ridicule kept him quiet.

Then the reports began to filter in, mostly from individuals. The discs were seen in Texas, New Mexico, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Missouri, Colorado, California, Arkansas, Nebraska. The number varied from one to a dozen, seen by one or two people mostly.

Reports Come in From East

Then the July 4 deluge hit. Two hundred persons in one group and 60 in another saw them in Idaho; hundreds saw them in Oregon, Washington and other states throughout the West.

And for the first time, the Eastern states had their reports. Observers, earlier all from west of the Mississippi river, came in with reports from Michigan, Louisiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Indiana, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, and Canada’s Atlantic seaboard.

Ted Tannich and William Lemon, of Albany, Saturday saw a silvery object fly southward, halt abruptly, and then retrace its course. It was visible for possibly 15 seconds, they said.


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July 5 - Allegan, Michigan

GRAND RAPIDS HERALD (Michigan) 7/7
DETROIT NEWS (Michigan) (UP) 7/7
CHICAGO TRIBUNE (Illinois) 7/7


Dan Conroy, said that a party of 27 persons, including himself, had seen a large group of disc-like objects flying overhead while at a bridge club dinner at Lake Allegan during the evening.

Conroy said that the objects were flying over at a “very high” altitude, and were silver in color.

They appeared to be about 25 feet in diameter, he said, and while he counted 18 objects in all, others in the party said that they had counted as many as 21.


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July 6 - Birmingham, Alabama - between 8:00 P.M. and 9:00 P.M. CST - (6-7:00pmPST)

ANNISTON STAR (Alabama) 7/7


Unusual "Flying Saucers" Reported Over This State

Birmingham Residents Deluge Authorities With Telephone Calls About Celestial Phenomenon;
No Reports Received In Anniston Area


(UP)—— The mysterious flying saucers made their appearance over Birmingham last night in a spectacular display of whirling light, according to reports of hundreds of callers who swamped the telephone lines of the Birmingham Age—Herald.

Reporters, copy readers and even copy boys were pressed into service answering calls from citizens of this town who attested to seeing the whirling disks. The majority of calls came between 8 and 9 p.m. and were from persons in various sections of town.

One of the first to call in was Gene Plumstead, program director for radio station WSGN, who said he saw several disks flying low over a suburban lake here.

Robert B. Crossland, telegraph editor of The Age—Herald, also called in and reported seeing the saucers.

Crossland said he and a group were standing in front of his apartment on Birmingham's southside when the whirling objects appeared.

He described them as looking like rafts moving very fast and in formation. One man told an AP reporter he had seen the disks weeks ago and was ashamed to tell his wife.

The Birmingham Police Department also reported a deluge of calls, as did the weather
bureau.

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July 6 - St. Petersburg Times (Florida) 7/6


Flying Saucers Sailing Through The Air With The Greatest Of Ease Puzzle Hundreds Of Amateur Observers And Scientists In 28 States...
 
- The nation was baffled today by "flying saucers" reported seen in 28 states by hundreds of persons...


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July 6 - The Oregonian

‘Flying Disc’ Reports Come From Hundreds, in 28 States

Science Fails to Give Facts
Government Men Ask to See Sample

By Associated Press

The nation was baffled Saturday by the “flying saucers” reported seen in 28 states by hundreds of persons while conjectures on their meaning flew as furiously as the reported speed of the silvery discs.

Official government sources took a “let’s see one” stand on the phenomenon, and so scientists preferred a detailed explanation.

Near unanimity was recorded on some of the discs’ characteristics — terrific speed, bright reflections, round or oval in shape, flat, and flying with a peculiar undulating motion. Size was moot and expressed by Captain Smith of United Air Lines as “hard to judge” without knowing the distance from the observer to the objects.

An army air forces spokesman in Washington on July 3 said there was not enough fact to “warrant further investigation,” but the air materiel command at Wright field, Dayton, Ohio, said it was making a study. Saturday at Washington an army researcher admitted “we’re mystified” and the navy said it had no theories.


Astronomers Doubt Meteors

Meanwhile Kenneth Arnold, the man who first reported them, could recall his insistence when his report was widely questioned, that “I don’t believe it, either — but I saw it.”

Two Chicago astronomers said the discs probably are “manmade.” The undulating, flashing objects “couldn’t be meteors,” said Dr. Gerard Kluper, director of the University of Chicago’s Yerkes observatory at Williams Bay, Wis.

“We realize,” said Dr. Oliver Lee, director of Northwestern university’s Dearborn observatory, “that the army and navy are working on all sorts of things we know nothing about.”

Officials of the atomic energy commission in Washington said it had no experiments involving “flying saucers” underway, and one official added, “All we know is what we read in the papers.”

An army air force official in Washington said the AAF was “completely mystified” by the saucer reports.


Hanford Role Denied

Although no general alert had been sent out for radar scanning of the heavens, he said: “Reports of the interception of any suspicious object or ground radar screens will be carefully evaluated.”

Col. F. J. Clarke commanding officer of the Hanford engineering works in the Pacific coastal area, where the largest saucer influx was reported, said the saucers were not coming from the atomic plant there.

“I have been waiting for someone to tie the discs to the Hanford atomic plant,” he said. But he declared that as far as he knew no experiments were under way there that would solve the mystery.

Credence in the saucers — widely laughed off at their first reported appearance June 25 — grew as hundreds of observers, many of them trained fliers, reported seeing them.


Portland Reports Fly

A crowd of 200 observed a disc at Hauser Lake, Idaho, on the Fourth of July. A group of 60 picnickers saw them at Twin Falls, Idaho.

And in Portland so many residents witnessed them that same day that the police department sent out an all cars broadcast.
The discs were seen Saturday in California, Oregon, Washington, Iowa, and South Carolina.

Two persons in different sections of Charleston, S. C. — one of them a newspaper reporter — said a flying saucer passed over Charleston heading east at 6:20 P. M. (EST) Saturday.


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July 7 - Hensley Field, Dallas, Texas - Afternoon

AUSTIN STATESMAN (Texas) 7/7


Deputy Army Air Force Chief of Staff Hoyt Vandenberg stated publicly that the Army Air Force was receiving thousands of queries on the disc sightings.



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 29, 2014, 11:25:56 pm

May 16 1947 - ... went shooting past... traveled to the west at terrific speed
("something that looked like a ball") Valley City, North Dakota - 9:00 P.M. CST

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May 17 1947 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, Washingtonous 

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May 18 1947 - speed estimated at more than 1500 mph (3x current jet speed in those days)
(shiny disc... as big as six B-29 bombers “bigger than any aircraft we have.” )
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Dusk

(Savage stated to FBI investigators that "he was sure this object was not a meteor and in his opinion it must be radically built and powered, probably atomic."
FBI Documents dated 24 July 1947)

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May (last week of) - ...terrific rate of speed ...sped out of view in less than twenty seconds
(formation of four disc-like objects... silvery and appeared “highly polished,”... spinning on their axes... no sound) Augusta, GA

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June 17 1947 - ...tremendous speed.
(more than one plate-shaped object) Bremerton, WA

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June 17 - ...wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds...
(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

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June 18 - ...multiple "saucers racing overhead"...speeding out of sight at tremendous velocity - 1,700 mph.
(multiple "saucers racing overhead")Eugene, Oregon

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June 19 - ... as they zoomed over...
(eight to ten discs which were lighted from within) Cedar Rapids, Iowa - Night

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June 22 - traveled at a high rate of speed... and "streaked across the sky" in a matter of only eight to ten seconds...
(a "brilliant, round-shaped silvery-white object") Greenfield, Massachusetts - 11:30 A.M. EST

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June 23 - ...then zoomed away
(a large shiny silver ball hovered for several minutes over a mountain) Clayton, Georgia

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June 23 - terrific speed
(two illuminated discs) Huntsville, Alabama

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June 24 - flew off faster than anything he had seen before
(five or six discs flying silently overhead) Hood River, Oregon - 3:00 P.M. PST
-He noticed that his compass began spinning when the discs passed over.
-His watch also stopped running.

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June 24 - They sped so fast she could not count them
(sighting the “whatzits,”) Yakima, Washington - 3:00 P.M. PST (approx)

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June 24 - "I have seen a P-38 appear seemingly on one horizon and then gone to the opposite horizon in no time at all, but these disks certainly were traveling faster than any P-38." Richland, Washington - 2:30 P.M. PST
[Maximum speed of a P-38 was about 440 miles an hour.] "I believe it may be a visitor from another planet."

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24 June - moving at fantastic speeds.
(several flying discs) Yakima, Washington

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24 June - flash by to the north
(nine shiny discs) Washinton - 3:00 P.M. PST

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24 June - "going faster than any planes I ever saw”
(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

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June 25 - approaching at a high rate of speed... disappeared to the south in a matter of seconds.
(a strange oval-shaped object) Pueblo, Colorado

The object was seen first at an estimated altitude of 2,000 feet, and descending rapidly toward the observers' car. It swooped down to 500 feet above the car.

Following this object was another similar one, approaching on the same course. "We were alarmed," Mr. Lowry reported. "As the first one approached, we could see it revolving at tremendous speed on its axis, even faster than its forward flight."

As it reached a point just above and ahead of the car, "it suddenly veered off sharply to the right, and at the same time its companion did likewise."

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June 26 - was moving at a terrific rate of speed."
("The machine, or whatever it was, was a shiny silvery color — very big)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
"I know that boy up there (Arnold), really saw them."

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June 26 - a "silver ball flashing through the sky" too swift to be an aircraft... "It was a distinctly large ball, moving extremely fast..." It was in the sky one minute, and by the time I had called my son's attention to it, the form had swooshed to almost the horizon point. Then it was gone." - Grand Canyon, Arizona - Day

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June 26 - a pilot was flying a small plane when he saw a "silvery streak" approach him at high speed ... It then disappeared to the east.. - Cedar City, Utah - Just before sundown

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June 26 - great velocity heading eastward
(one silvery colored disc) Cedar City, Utah - 7:45 P.M. MST (6:45pmPST)

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June 26 - traveling at least 1,200 miles per hour
(a round large disc in an easterly direction) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - 8:30 P.M. CST (6:30pmPST)

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June 28 - approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed... to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south... they heard no noise.
(strangely maneuvering light) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)

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June 30 - ...moving extremely fast
(V formation contained five disc-shaped objects in perfect line but the ones on the right "seemed to weave.") Hailey, Idaho - 2:30 P.M. MST - (1:30pmPST)
Forest ranger Hunter Nelson, who was marking trees with Nicholson three miles from Galena Summit, counted seven to nine objects in the V- formation. He said "it took the objects but a few seconds" to pass out of view. Both men stressed that point, stating that they flew "-much- faster than any aircraft of that day."

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June 30 - ..."jet planes are very slow in comparison to what I saw."
("a bright, shiny object coming from the west,"appeared to be round," and had no wings or apparent means of propulsion.no motor sound") Spokane, Washington - Afternoon PST

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June 30 - ...flashed westward over Knoxville
(A round bright object) Knoxville, Tennessee - 8:00 P.M EST (5:00pmPST)

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July 1 - ...moving at great speed...
(a silver disc-shaped object) Tucson, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

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July 1 - ..."hurtling through the sky at a great rate of speed"
("a lone disc silver—colored and discus—shaped,") Chandler, Arizona - 9:30 A.M. MST (8:30amPST)

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July 1 - "going like blue blazes... it zoomed by in a matter of only fifteen seconds.
(a disc-shaped object... resembled a flattened—out balloon) Dallas, Texas - 12:45 P.M CST (10:45amPST)

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July 1 - ...compared the "saucers" speed to that of a "shooting star."
(saucers in a formation of six to eight objects.) Pendleton, Oregon - Afternoon PST 

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July 1 - ...moving over at a terrific speed.
(disc—like object fly overhead) Sullivan's Island, South Carolina - 9:55 p.m. EST (6:55pmPST)

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JulY 1 - ...speed in excess of 500 mph
(GCA radar picked up an unidentified target which split into two targets, reversed course, broke up into two responses, each estimated to be larger than a P-51, then merged back together again into one large response.) Hokkaido, Japan

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July 1 - ...whizzed overhead heading quickly toward the south.
(six to nine shiny platter—shaped objects) Pendleton, Oregon - Mid-afternoon PST

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July 1 - ...zip over the city of El Paso, hurtled over Mount Franklin and then flew off towards Mexico
(a 'flying disc'shaped like two pie pans rim—to—rim, estimated to be 30 feet in diameter) El Paso, Texas

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July 1 - ...extremely fast speed over Charleston
(disc—shaped object) Charleston, South Carolina - 9:58 P.M. EST (6:58pmPST)

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July 3 - ...zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.
(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

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July 3 - ...streaking overhead on a straight course
(three discs) Cincinnati, Ohio - 12:00 P.M. EST (9:00amPST)

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July 4 - ...fly directly overhead at a tremendous speed and disappear over the horizon in a matter of seconds.
(a single disc) Boise, Idaho

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July 4 - ..."catapulting across the sky"
(a disc-shaped object "about 40 to 50 feet in diameter.") Santa Monica, California - 5:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...all of a sudden it shot straight up into the sky and vanished in "a fraction of a second."
(shiny aluminum disc—shaped craft to having the appearance of a silver dollar approximately 30 feet across.) Hauser Lake, Idaho - 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...streaking past Mount Jefferson.
(four disc-shaped objects) Portland, Oregon - 10:59 A.M. PST

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July 4 - ...speeding toward Oregon
(a shiny disc-like object) Idaho - Day

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July 4 - ...They were traveling at a high rate of speed and looked like nothing he had seen before.
(five large, disc—shaped objects dipping up and down in an oscillating fashion. They disappeared quickly, at great speed, two going south and the remaining three going east.) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...streaking over toward the southwest
(20 to 30 disc—like objects) Portland, Oregon - 1:05 PST
He was emphatic in saying these objects could not have been regular aircraft.

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July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" without decelerating, made an abrupt 90—degree turn "with no difficulty"
(a single disc) Portland, Oregon

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July 4 - ...traveling very fast...flying at "terrific speeds"
(three to six silvery, metallic, oscillating, flashing discs.) Portland, Oregon 

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July 4 - ...scudded across the sky at a terrific speed...in a matter of three or four seconds.
(silver disc) Boise, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. MST (5:30pmPST)

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July 5 - ...This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed -- l,000 miles an hour,"
(discs, seen first directly overhead, "appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver) Auburn, California - 2:30 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...they were moving "very fast" and traveling faster than any aircraft he had ever seen.
(disc-like objects flying northward over the city...)Augusta, Maine - 1:15 P.M. EDT (10:15amPST)

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July 5 - ...a "shooting star" turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company in Cambridge. It then turned again in an opposite direction.
Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

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July 5 - ..."terrific speed,"
("bright, flat object about 12 feet in diameter.") Waterloo, Iowa - 1:30 A.M. CST
 
J. E. Johnston, reported that a high—speed object had flown over his home. The disc was flying about 25 feet above the ground and made a "rocket—like, swishing noise" as it flew directly over his house, It was too close to the ground to be an airplane.

It was a terrible experience," he added. "It numbed me from head to foot."

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July 5 - ...made a sudden stop, reversing its course almost instantaneously and moved back north. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds, according to the witnesses.
(a silvery, disc—shaped object) Albany, Oregon - 3:20 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...approaching at an "excessive speed,"
(it did not "in any way, shape or manner" resemble any type of known aircraft.

The two described the object as "definitely of metal construction," about 20 feet long, and "not exactly round in shape.") Alton, New Hampshire - 4:26 p.m. EDT (1:26pmPST)

Dale had been an ATC pilot during World War II and was thoroughly familiar with all types of conventional aircraft.

Both Dale and Stetson said they "had never seen anything like it" in the air before, and added that its appearance left them both "flabbergasted."

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July 6 - ...a very fast disc appeared over Santa Rosa, California. Observers Calvin McEntire and his brother Jack thought it to be the fastest thing that they had ever seen.

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July 6 - ...two shiny disc-shaped objects zoomed over
Cincinnati, Ohio, 6:00 P.M. EST

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July 6 - ..."It was going like a bat outa hell,"
(bright object which he was convinced "was not an airplane "round and shiny, like silver," "shooting up and down." It made no noise,) Denver, Colorado

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July 6 - ...such a tremendous rate of speed that they were unable to get a good look at them. They tried unsuccessfully to clock them once when one flashed by.
(nine of the 'saucers') Oklahoma and Kansas - 2:30 to 3:00 P.M. MST (1:30 to 2:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...appeared to be moving at incredible speed."
(three strange objects)Norman, Oklahoma - 6:00 P.M. CST (4:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...terrific speed, flashed across the sky
(a disc-shaped object "a large serving dinner plate") Long Beach, California - 1:15 P.M. PST

"it swerved broadside towards the ocean," and then "side-slipped" to the west and vanished from view. They viewed the object for three or four seconds before it disappeared from view.

Both admitted that they had been "awed by the terrific speed and brilliance" of the phenomenon and were now "among the believers."

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July 6 - ...zooming eastward
(two groups of three discs) Shrewsbury, Missouri - 7:45 P.M. CST (5:45pmPST)

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July 6 - ...zoomed over Cincinnati
(Two shiny disc-shaped objects) Cincinnati, Ohio - 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving at over 1,000 miles per hour
(Former Army flying Cadet Hazen Kennedy glimpsed an "orange-colored" object)
Washington, D.C. - 8:40 P.M. EST (5:40pmPST)

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July 6 - ..."It was shooting toward Mount Diablo," He estimated the height of the object at approximately 3,000 feet and said that it was moving "faster than jet planes."
(a disc-shaped object flying rapidly) Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

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July 6 - ..."shooting" westward across the sky, in a V-formation
(a group of disc-like objects) Denver, Colorado - 9:05 P.M. MST  (8:05pmPST)

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July 6 - ...overhead at a high rate of speed
(a silver, disc-like object) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 a.m. PST

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July 6 - ...rapid speed
(formation of seven disc-shaped objects passing directly overhead) Lake Lotawana, Missouri - 10:00 a.m.

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July 6 - ...hurtle over Mount Tamalpais
(a disc) Mount Tamalpais, California - 1:30 P.M. PST

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July 6 - ...It hovered there momentarily, whirling on its lateral axis at high speed, and then suddenly rose up and disappeared into the clouds...it moved at "a terrific speed."
(a disc-shaped object, It "whirled like a top") Logansport, Indiana

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July 7 - ...took off at a speed estimated at 6,000 miles per hour—calculated by the 25 mile distance the object covered between Koshkonong to Elkhorn in fifteen seconds.
(a "saucer") Koshkonong, Wisconsin 11:45 A.M. CST
At the end of its speedy run the object suddenly stopped and hovered, then disappeared in the distance.

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July 7 - ...It then covered the 22 mile distance between Eagle to Muskego in twenty seconds, placing its speed at 3,960 miles per hour.
(a flying disc) East Troy, Wisconsin 2:30 P.M.

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July 7 - ...the crew figured that it must have been flying 1,440 miles an hour because it overtook and passed their plane in such a short time.
(members of the crew also saw the disc. "I think it was about 18 feet in diameter and looked as though it was made of glass," Sgt. Clifton said. "It was extremely bright and kept flashing.")

It was round and was flying at a slightly tilted angle. "The disc seemed to be spinning as it flew," Sgt. Clifton reported. "It blurred radio reception slightly." 

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July 7 - ...race across the sky over the Salt River Valley north of Phoenix, They were in view for about 25 to 30 seconds, the estimated distance they traveled while under observation indicated a speed well in excess of 1,000 miles an hour.
(two silver, ball-like objects) Phoenix, Arizona: 3:30 p.m. MST

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July 7 - ...flying at terrific speed
(three discs that were in V-formation and were brightly illuminated.) Tacoma, Washington 10:45 p.m. PST

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July 8 - ...started moving at a terrific speed
(Disc) Portland, Oregon - 2:05 P.M. PST 
-...Multiple reports over city

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July 8 - ...Russo, who had piloted 35 combat missions over Europe, estimated their speed at 850 miles per hour.
(six disc-shaped objects in the formation) Avalon, California - 1:00 P.M. PST
Several hundred witnesses on Santa Catalina Island off Long Beach observed a formation of "saucers."

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July 8 - ...a P-51 pilot at 20,000 feet spotted a wingless, tailless "flat object of light-reflecting nature." He twice attempted an intercept but could not climb high enough.
40 miles south of Muroc 3:50 P.M.

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July 8 - ...beyond capability of known aircraft
(two saucer or disc shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Field, Calif. 10:00 a.m. (PDT).

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July 8 - ...fifty miles up and making over fifteen thousand mph
(six fast moving silvery-white saucers) Muroc Air Force Base

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July 10 - ...incredible speed
("flying tin lid" shaped object reflected sunlight brilliantly) Smyrna, Georgia - 5:30 p.m. EDT

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July 10 - ...terrific speed
("mysterious flying saucers." two dozen objects flew in first a V formation and then into a straight line) Mission, British Columbia - 9:50 p.m. local time

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July 10 - ...dazzling burst of speed ...the lead disc suddenly shot upward, the other three followed and all were out of sight in a twinkling of the eye.
(formation of six, luminous spherical craft) Morristown, New Jersey - Morning

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July 13 - ...several aircraft pilots who tried in vain to pursue it
(A round object flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion") Baker Valley, Oregon

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July 28 - ..."going like hell when it disappeared."
(a bizarre object) Boise Statesman (Idaho) - 8:34 p.m. MST

Captain Gibian described that it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.

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July 29 - ...three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight ...The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."
(two round, shiny white objects) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

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August 17 - ...flying above them at a tremendous rate of speed
(sphere shaped craft) Fort Richardson, Alaska (September 19 file)

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August 17 - ...shot off to the southeast at great speed.
(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

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August 18 - ...speed estimated at 900 miles per hour by pilot and copilot
(Two silver round flat disc-shaped objects, looking like "skeet targets") Mountain Home, Idaho - 12:00 p.m.

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August 19 - ..."terrific speed"
(multiple groups of flying objects in the night sky. These formations resembled a "glow in the air" the color of electric lights. The "lights" flew in triangular formations. At one point three of them peeled-off of a larger group of ten and sped away in a different direction.) Twin Falls, Idaho - 9:39 P.M. MST

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Aug 19 - ..."tremendous speed"
(5 luminous objects in horizontal flight "looking like electric lights") Twin Falls, Idaho - 9:30 p.m.

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September 12 - ...zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.
(two separate orbs) Midway Island - 1:00 A.M. local time


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 29, 2014, 11:39:59 pm


May 19 1947 - ...they were spinning on their axis with a circular rim around their lower quarter as they silently moved by in less than twenty seconds at great speed.

(four discs) Beaufort, South Carolina - 11:00 A.M. EST (8:00amPST)

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May 19 - It flew around the area for over twenty minutes making erratic aerial maneuvers that no aircraft they knew of could undertake;

--silver-colored object one thousand feet approaching rapidly from the northeast.
--stopped almost directly overhead.
--watched it perform wild gyrations for several minutes...“began to move erratically in wide circles. All this time it reflected light, like metal, but intermittently, as though the angle of reflection might be changing from time to time.”
--For twenty minutes watched it climb, dive, reverse its flight course
--finally moving off into the wind westerly.
 
(shiny metal-like craft) Manitou Springs, Colorado - 12:15 P.M. MST (11:15amPST)

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June 12 1947 - The disc zig- zagged to the southwest.

(bright metallic ovoid object) Weiser, Idaho - 6:15 P.M. MST

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June 14 - ten round objects or "saucers" fly over in a loose "V" formation with one straggling in the rear."

They were heading north, but seven of the discs then reversed direction and came back over them toward the south.

(350 mph) Bakersfield, California - 12:00 P.M. PST

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June 17 - seen hovering in the sky for a period of three hours over Bremerton from late in the afternoon until evening.

The objects wavered as they flew, and shot off at extreme speeds toward the west.

(Three platter-shaped discs) Bremerton, Washington - Late afternoon PST

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June 21 - descending with a "dead leaf motion"
(eight discs "the size of a house" flying at 600 mph) Saint Joe River, Idaho - 11:55 A.M. MST

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June 22 - ...speeding southeast ..."disks" dipping and flashing in the sun.
("flying disks, larger than a plane") Portland, Oregon - 4 P.M. PST

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June 23 - ...hovered for several minutes ...and then zoomed away.
(a large shiny silver ball) Clayton, Georgia

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June 23 - flying an uneven course in the sky, and weaving in an out of view."

("strange saucer-like" object) Wapakoneta, Ohio - 9:30 p.m. EST (6:30pmPST)

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June 24 - "weaving and circling very rapidly in formation. . .and after awhile they dispersed in all directions."
 
(a group of round, shiny objects) Boise, Idaho

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June 24 - "going faster than any planes I ever saw” in a stretched out line formation at about 4,000 feet flying north to south. "I could see no connecting link between them, but they acted as though the leading disc had a motor in it to power the others, because when it flipped, the others would, too. When it would right itself, the others would right themselves."

(peculiar formation of nine flat, circular objects) Joliet, Illinois 1:50 P.M. CST

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June 27 - [/b]...estimated that they were going about two times as fast as an ordinary airliner, "maybe 600 miles an hour.

..."they were bunched... The peculiar thing was the way they moved along -- tilting back and forth, tipping up and down, undulating --and every time they reached the right reflection angle the flashes came,"
 
-said it was difficult to distinguish the shapes because the objects were "very bright, reflecting the sun like from metal -- not glass mirrors."

-the objects were "very flat, very very thin, particularly when you saw them on edge as they were banking."

-"There wasn't a sound, not a trace of a vapor trail -- just these things sailing along."

-"I am not too excitable and I have good eyesight, and I know what I saw this afternoon," he told the Journal.

"They came over the hill back of us here from the north, and were following straight along the Pacific Highway. Just south of here they veered sharply to the southeast[/b]."

(two groups of loosely-bunched objects rocking back and forth flew over noiselessly, his eye was caught by a bright flash) Woodland, Washington - Afternoon

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June 28 - ...It approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed.
 In five minutes the light had approached to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south
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... they heard no noise.

(a strangely maneuvering light over the base) Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST (7:20pmPST)

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June 29 - ...whirling through the unclouded sky."

John Kauke was driving and became so overwhelmed by the sight that he stopped the car.

Dr. Zohn, a well-known rocket expert, stated that the object did not look like any rocket he had ever seen and that it could not have been a balloon
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("a silvery disc" ) White Sands, New Mexico - 1:30 P.M. MST (12:30pmPST)

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July 1 - silently tipping from side to side as they moved along the course of the Columbia river.

(Three discs, then another 10-12 of the mystery craft showed up) Astoria, Madras and Portland, Oregon - 11:45 A.M. PST

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July 1 - ..."following a zig—zag path in the northwestern sky ...for about 30 seconds. "
(a "disc-like, bluish object) Albuquerque, New Mexico - night MST

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July 1 - They flew first toward the south, then turned to the east, and finally flew off to the west.

A blue disc was also seen zig—zagging in the northwestern sky.

(thirteen silver disc—shaped objects) Albuquerque, New Mexico - 11:00 P.M. MST - (10:00pmPST)

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July 2 - ...whirling over Lewiston. At times they dipped and rolled.
(four white and shiny flying saucers) Lewiston, Idaho - Day

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July 3 - ...maneuver wildly in the clouds.
 
(eight disc-shaped objects) Conowingo Dam, Pennsylvania - 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. EST (6:00TO7:00amPST)

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July 3 - ..."flow over onto its edge" as it flew by in the course of ten to fifteen seconds.

(a glowing round object) Monterey, California - 7:45 A.M. PST

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July 3 - zoom by at several thousand feet and make a forty-five degree turn before vanishing toward the southwest.

(a shiny, mirror-like disc) Denver, Colorado - 8:55 A.M. MST (7:55amPST)

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July 3 - ...maneuver in circular movements
(several discs) Walkerton, Indiana - Afternoon EST 

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July 3 - ...sped over Nampa with an undulating motion
(A circular object) Nampa, Idaho - 12:00 P.M. MST (11:00amPST)

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July 3 - ...approached very fast and soon became silhouetted against a nearby mountainside ..."suddenly they stopped in mid-air, then started again. When they reached a point over a clearing in the timber, they stopped again and settled down a few at a time until they were out of sight.

Over a half dozen neighbors also witnessed this sight.

(Eight luminous discs) St. Maries, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. PST

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July 3 - make controlled changes in their flight and circle near the San Diego Naval Air Station.
(three discs) San Diego, California - Late afternoon PST

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July 4 - zoom northeast with a "turning motion."
(a "flying disc") Richland, Washington (Richland AEC plant)

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July 4 - ...fly through broken cloud layers ...maneuvering in an erratic manner.
(a group of star-like objects) Bartlesville, Oklahoma Early morning CST - 2 hour ahead 

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July 4 - "...were operated and maneuverable devices" ..."They plainly experienced maneuvers in the sky..."

...At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc"

...convinced that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control."
 "
(formation of twelve discs) Portland, OR - 1:00 P.M. PST

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July 4 - for 30-90 seconds moving at high speed with oscillating or wobbling motion, sudden 90° turns or zigzagging.

(5 large discs) Portland and Milwaukee, Oregon, and Vancouver, Washington 1:05 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...an object like "a new dime flipping over".
Sandy District - Portland, Oregon - 4:30 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...could change at a 90°angle without difficulty... terrific speed.
...would oscillate and sometimes we would see a full disk , then a half—moon shape, then nothing at all."

(disks) Portland, Oregon -  1:06 P.M. PST 

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July 4 - "flying at terrific speed in a straight—line formation ...zig-zagged and made turns so sharp that he knew they could not be aircraft

... The last disc "fluttered rapidly to the side in an arc"
.

six or seven "flat, round discs." Portland, Oregon - 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...going at "terrific speed" ...It passed under the sun and, without decelerating, made an abrupt 90° turn "with no difficulty" and proceeded toward the southwest.

Because of its strange behavior, Patterson, a former Army Air Corps pilot, was of the opinion that the object could not have been a plane.
 
(a single disc) Portland, Oregon 1:10 P.M. PST

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July 4 - ...traveling very fast ...the objects wobbled and oscillated as they flew with turning and weaving motions.   
("three to six flashing discs shaped like chromium hub—caps face—to—face, shining and flashing in the sun") Portland, Oregon 

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July 4 - The pilot said the object was "remarkably white" and moved at a uniform altitude with a kind of "wavering" flight pattern.

(a "disc—like" object) Moscow, Idaho - 10:30 A.M. PST

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July 4 - "It would fly in a circle for about five minutes,then shoot off a mile to the south, tear back again, stand still for a half a minute, and then start circling again."

..the object repeated this maneuver three times before it finally disappeared to the south in a straight course, "going very fast."


(a "round and bright," strangely maneuvering object) Madison, Wisconsin - 9:30 P.M. CST (7:30pmPST)

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July 4 - ...startled to see a group of objects fly overhead in an extended V—formation.

The formation disappeared quickly in a northerly direction at a high rate of speed. The objects were out of sight before the Walgrens could even get to their feet.

The witnesses described the formation of discs as giving the appearance of a "rippling, V—shaped cloud."

The undersides of the objects appeared to reflect the city lights. As they passed over, the Walgren's described hearing "a hollow, rustling sound, like an air blast in an empty barrel."
 
(discs) Denver, Colorado - Late evening MST 

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July 4 - ...descend vertically, then make a 90° turn and proceed horizontally flying toward the south. One of the witnesses in the Lake City area took a photograph.

(round white object) Greenwood Lake, Washington - 5:30 P.M. PST

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July 5 - ...fly southward, halt abruptly, and then reversing its course almost instantaneously, and moved back north retracing its course. The entire maneuver took place in less than 15 seconds.
(a silvery object) Albany, Oregon

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July 5 - ...turn and float toward the Phillips Packing Company ...It then turned again in an opposite direction.

(a "shooting star") Cambridge, Maryland - 9:45 P.M. EST (6:45pmPST)

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July 5 - ..."one over—lapped the other and traveled in the opposite circular directions."

(two discs) Norwalk, Ohio - Night

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July 5 - ...fluttering as they flew toward the east ...an independent witness, also saw the same three fluttering objects disappear over the horizon. Both witnesses called the police.

(six silvery objects) Anaconda, Montana - 3:00 P.M. MST (2:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving very fast and in formation.

(several whirling disks) Birmingham, Alabama - between 8:00 P.M. and 9:00 P.M. CST - (6-7:00pmP)

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July 6 - ...as it moved along, "it had a dipping motion," adding that "we heard a steady hum, which was not the kind of sound that an airplane makes."

(a disc-like object) San Rafael, California - 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 6 -...it flew south, occasionally "jumping sideways"...
(Flying Saucer) Ashland, Oregon - 6:40 AM PST

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July 6 - ...tumbling objects traveling very high in the air and at a very fast rate of speed."
("looked like pie pans") Clearwater, Florida - 3:00 P.M. EST (12:00pmPST)

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July 6 - ...moving erratically through the sky ..."diving in a fluttery fashion, like pursuit planes." ...estimated speed of 400 miles an hour.
 
(two shiny objects "resembled chrome plates" "They were not planes,")Elizabeth, New Jersey 5:15 P.M. EST (2:15pmPST)

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July 6 - ...shooting toward Mount Diablo ...flying rapidly ...in view for about 30 seconds before it vanished over the southern horizon.
 
(circular disc-shaped object ..."It revolved in a counter-clockwise direction, as we viewed it" ...it was moving "faster than jet planes.") Pittsburg, California - 8:20 A.M. PST

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July 6 - ...came flying at their airplane this afternoon, one-by-one, for 15 minutes.
(nine metallic, revolving objects) Kansas-Colorado border - Afternoon

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July 6 - ...wavered and flipped across the sky.
(twelve shiny metallic discs) Richmond, Virginia  At 6:00 P.M. EST (3:00pmPST)

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July 7 - ...appeared to be tumbling over and over, alternately showing a dark and a bright side. It was unlike any plane he had seen as a former Naval aviator.
(a round object) Sacramento, California

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July 7 - ...passing overhead appeared to be flying at a speed of 600 to 700 miles an hour, at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet.

The disc was flying on edge, like a wheel, at right angles to the surface of the earth, and its large, circular surface gave off an extremely bright light, comparable in color to the light of an arc welder's torch;

It also reminded the witness of a brightly faceted stone, such as a diamond seen under a brilliant light.

The object seemed to be following the contours of the terrain below it, dipping or bobbing up and down in an irregular pattern as it passed over small hills and mountains 500 to 1,000 feet high.

It was in view approximately 60 to 70 seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) - Medford, Oregon 5:20 P.M. PST

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July 7 - ...traveling at 200 to 225 miles per hour at 10,000 feet. It headed east with an oscillating motion.

(one yellowish-white spherical object) Muroc Air Base, California

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July 7 - flying 1,440 miles an hour ..."seemed to be spinning as it flew,"
(a disc ..."I think it was about 18 feet in diameter") San Antonio, Texas - 4:30 P.M. CST (2:30pmPST)

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July 7 - ...pass rapidly overhead ...had a slight side-to-side motion as they traveled approximately 200 to 300 feet above the ground ...as they passed overhead, he heard "a zipping noise." He estimated their speed at 500 miles an hour, and they quickly "lost themselves in the distance."
 
(a triangular formation of three discs) Greensboro, North Carolina - 6:30 A.M. EST

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July 8 - "...seemed to be jiggling and darting about", ..."the flashes were awfully bright and were obviously from a metallic object."

(Discs) Roseburg, Oregon - 2:00  P.M. PST

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July 8 - ...one of the discs break loose from the formation and appear to be "rolling through the air" like a wheel.
(a loose formation of discs) Spokane, Washington

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July 8 - "silvery colored, like aluminum, with no wings or tail, sort of round or oblong-shaped, and moving both slow and fast." The object was "very high," and moving westward toward Honolulu in "alternating bursts of speed" and in a "slow, zigzagging" flight path.

Honolulu, Hawaii 5:30 p.m. HST

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July 8 - ...hover there for minutes before resuming formation and sweeping back to the west.
(two groups of discs) Denver, Colorado - mid-morning until noon

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July 8 - ..."swooped" out of the area of the sun at "terrific speed and altitude" and then flew back toward the vicinity of the sun.
(several formations of discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...appeared to "dance in the sky, moving backward and forward and at times rising and falling."
(several discs) Denver, Colorado

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July 8 - ...spinning while "standing still" in one spot, before it suddenly took off at a rapid speed."
(a round object) Chicago, Illinois 9:05 a.m. CDT

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July 8 - ...moving against the prevailing wind at a speed estimated to be 300 miles an hour, in straight, level flight. They appeared to be about 8,000 feet high, when a third object appeared—heading in the same direction but making several tight circles.

McHenry told intelligence officers that no aircraft he knew of could have performed such sharp maneuvers.

(two silver disc or sphere-shaped objects) Muroc Army Air Base, California - 9:30 A.M. PST

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July 9 - It appeared to be spinning, and it possibly landed remotely.

(A one-meter diameter disc) Llano, Texas - 8:00 P.M. CST (6:00pmPST)

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July 9 - ...in the northern sky for several minutes before it fluttered out of sight ...appeared to fall toward the earth, then fluttered, and rose.

(a flying disc) Saanich, Vancouver Island, British Columbia - 10 a.m.

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July 9 - "The 'saucers' sped across the heavens in a dipping and undulating motion and must have had terrific speed."

(four large light objects "Big as houses") Honeymoon Bay, British Columbia. 6:20 pm

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July 9 - ...spinning in the sky ...One of the discs left the group and appeared to land on the bank of the Spokane River.

(a group of three disc-shaped objects) Spokane, Washington 6:15 P.M. PST

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July 10 - ...it moved with a fast but "funny" motion.
(an "aluminum type of thing,") Salt Lake City, Utah 8:30 P.M.

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July 11 - ...go over at high speed with a spinning or rotating motion.

The craft passed without a sound in a matter of just five seconds.

(a disc-shaped object) Yuma, Arizona - 2:30 A.M. MST (1:30amPST)

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July 12 - ..."they left us as if we were standing still ...They were closely spaced.

They fluttered as a group for a second or two and then stabilized for a second or two, alternately between these two modes
."

("six or eight silver-white objects, oval top and bottom, much like two saucers face to face) Utah Lake, Utah: 2:30 P.M. PST

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July 12 - ...going north very fast and very high ...appeared to be "swerving a little, back and forth, and up and down."
(three disc-like objects "silvery and flashing in the sun,") Sand Point Naval Air Station, Seattle, Washington - 6:35 P.M. PST

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July 13 - flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion"
(A round object) Wingville, Oregon 7:00 P.M. PST

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July 15 - ...they yawed along in a sort of see-saw manner, flying at three different levels, and about 200 feet apart."

Their speed was "far in excess of 200 miles an hour.

(from a dozen to fifteen oval-shape objects ...being very white on top and when they flipped he was able to see they were grey and black underneath.) Concord, California 12:15 P.M. PST

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July 20 - ...swing back and forth in a pendulum motion.

(a UFO) Idaho Falls, Idaho 2:30 A.M. PST

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July 28 - ...going toward the northwest at very high speed ...it appeared to be "weaving," as if "it were going through choppy air" and "going like hell when it disappeared."

Both men watched it vanish from view and agreed that they had never seen such a thing before. They also felt certain what they saw could not have been an aircraft.
 
(a bizarre object "as silhouetted against a bright western sky", about the size of their own aircraft and about 40 miles distant) Between Mountain Home and Boise, Idaho 8:34 P.M. MST


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July 29 - ...flew three to four times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight, The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."

One object flew straight and level, a second object then appeared, flying a left to right "protective" maneuver from side-to-side like an escort fighter over the first craft

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."

(two round, shiny white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters) Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT

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Aug 14 - ...traveling at a speed twice that of a jet fighter plane, passed over them on a zig-zag course in a westerly direction at an approximate altitude of twelve hundred feet.

(FLYING OBJECTS) Harmon Field, Guam

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August 17 - ...drop straight out of sky heading toward the northeast at a tipped angle.

It righted itself, floated slowly as if "suspended on cord" for several minutes, then shot off to the southeast at great speed
.

(a disc-shaped object) Mt. Josephine, Washington

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August 20 - ...travelling at a great speed, twisting and turning above and below each other as they passed over.

(approximately twenty flying saucers) Coulter Bay, Cortez Island, British Columbia- 8:30 A.M.

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on October 30, 2014, 08:14:39 pm
Another sort of similar characteristics I did was of sightings of formations of saucers that year.

When multiple discs were seen, they were most commonly seen in a V formation -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/saucer-thumb_zps1818c0fd.jpg)


The length of the list rivals any of the above lists I have posted in the last few days, so I will forego that wall of text. Rest assured that the V formation was by far the dominant pattern seen in 1947.


 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Lunica on October 31, 2014, 03:07:39 am
I would say:
You just can not ignore this.

 ;)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on October 31, 2014, 05:58:07 am
Another sort of similar characteristics I did was of sightings of formations of saucers that year.

When multiple discs were seen, they were most commonly seen in a V formation -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/saucer-thumb_zps1818c0fd.jpg)


The length of the list rivals any of the above lists I have posted in the last few days, so I will forego that wall of text. Rest assured that the V formation was by far the dominant pattern seen in 1947.

Thats a very Earthly quality now isn't it....
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Amaterasu on October 31, 2014, 10:02:58 am
Thats a very Earthly quality now isn't it....

It's a very natural, logical quality, I would say.  I'd expect it as a most likely approach.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on October 31, 2014, 12:14:39 pm
These guys use it too...

(http://www.wisdomportal.com/Poems2010/GeeseV(352x264).jpg)

But why would Aliens flying in a group not use it?  People also say why would Aliens have marker lights on their flying saucers..

well  maybe for the same reason WE do

 ::)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: ArMaP on October 31, 2014, 01:31:10 pm
These guys use it too...

(http://www.wisdomportal.com/Poems2010/GeeseV(352x264).jpg)
Do you know why?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on October 31, 2014, 03:35:13 pm
My counter argument:
OK, lets take a look. :)

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If Aliens were that concerned about Atmoic energy, they would not have allowed the bombs to be detonated in 1945.
"They" (if they exist) may not have known we existed until we detonated a nuke.  That may have alerted galactic neighbours to Earth reaching a certain level of development.

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They would not have waited two more years before trying to intimidate us out of atomic energy.
It may have taken two years to respond to the alert.


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If they were that 'advanced' they would not have 'crashed' at Roswell.
You do not know how advanced "they" are.  Our technology may well have surprised them.  No matter how advanced a technology is, it can only deal with what it is designed to.

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I do not think the only people who could have this technology is ET.
OK, then who?

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There are rumours that past Earth people have had this 'new' technology,
This is an argument that has been considered.  Time travellers or humans (or even reptiles/dinosaurs) could have returned by time travel, hiding or from deep space travel.  Crypto-ancients hypothesis (I just made that term up LOL)

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and there are also rumours human were working on this technology in the late 18th century.
But they were unsuccessful as far as we know.


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At no time during this thread has Admiral Byrds Opertaion Highjump been included which also provide testimony that the Nazi's had flying saucer craft that could, quote "fly from pole to pole", unquote.
What reliable sources?  I thought you were saying military sources were not reliable? ::)

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[ I find it highly unlikely that if an Alien ship did crash at Roswell,
Being unlikely does not mean that things do not happen.  Unlikely events are rare not impossible.

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the Air Force officers in question would have really told the media about it, and although that story was retracted, it still set the scene for one of the most prevalent myths in modern history. 
Yes the UFO mythos has been milked for all it is worth but that is not evidence for or against ant particular event.

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My question is, apart from hearsay, has anybody got real proof of ET at Roswell?
We don't have absolute proof of anything from chatting on forums.  What do you mean by proof?  We have no proof of most things.  What do you say is proof?  The accounts of Byrds expedition are far more ropey.


NOTE:  I am not arguing for or against anything in the above but I though it was worth looking at the counter in detail.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on November 01, 2014, 09:38:36 am
Posting from crapberry, so I'll keep it short for now.

Re, Pims 'Military source' and 'Byrd Comments', Forrestal was killed, and as I've previously stated, deaths lend credibilty to the source as far as I care.

Not like Lazar and Co who are disclosing 'national secrets' all willy nilly, and walking around under no duress. (Spelling?)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 12:30:54 pm
Re, Pims 'Military source' and 'Byrd Comments', Forrestal was killed, and as I've previously stated, deaths lend credibilty to the source as far as I care.

Phil Schneider was killed also... guess that makes Dulce Base real  8)



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 12:41:32 pm
From what I recall many Air force aircraft maneuvers / operations or Military Aircraft displays like the Red Arrows use that formation as well..

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4Hl74VYZWvjuuCrWurayTop8mjyBQMnGTOJEV-veou9Sx0VpB)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIoz0g9fMl_BvFJFF6Lamexwn-o_fYD6ecs56NIUluYF5OkT6D)

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLy2_6pAT4Zc122JP_7GLL2gTxB5IQbcOyV7OP2ldp7kuN1E6G)

These guys use it too...

(http://www.wisdomportal.com/Poems2010/GeeseV(352x264).jpg)

But why would Aliens flying in a group not use it?  People also say why would Aliens have marker lights on their flying saucers..

well  maybe for the same reason WE do

 ::)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 01:26:41 pm
After it was claimed Phil Schneider's Dulce base story was made up according to sources on PRC that have informed me so...

After then starting to feel a bit disappointed about Phil having made such a story up...

I was later VERY surprised to learn that he did infact later go on to witness with Ron Rummel ..the Saucers at Area 51 that Bob Lazar and our A51 Watcher have said to have witnessed...

That gave me back some credibility into Phil, at least in terms that it does seem he had at least witnessed something unique in terms of the UFO / ET connection...

Then Both Ron and Phil both ended up with similar endings...that I do find very disturbing  :o


Phil Schneider was killed also... guess that makes Dulce Base real  8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on November 01, 2014, 02:32:17 pm
After it was claimed Phil Schneider's Dulce base story was made up according to sources on PRC that have informed me so...
The Dulce story was BS.  That does not mean there is no underground base somewhere near there.  There is a lot of smoke and mirrors surrounding real secret projects or cover ups of real sensitive accidents or secret science projects.

I think there are areas where nukes were tested underground and they wanted to keep folks away.  They were also testing the animal tissues in the area to see the effects of radioactive tests - hence the mutilations.

ETA:  There was probably a lot more to it but there is a couple of interesting possibilities
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on November 01, 2014, 03:07:23 pm
Phil Schneider was killed also... guess that makes Dulce Base real  8)

The criteria is not exclusive..

Phil obviously pi$ed some one off tho.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on November 01, 2014, 03:49:46 pm
Hi Pim,

I do not disagree with your comments,

I think that from what I was informed that yes Phil's story was made up by him for whatever means...maybe so he could go around events getting paid for his story..and making good money from it..

BUT with regards to Dulce itself...I have seen other suggestions of quite a lot of unusual sightings / activity around the area and other stories that may suggest that Dulce could be an underground base of some sort....Whether it is to do with anything other than say Nuke testings etc...such as Holding ETs or not is hard to say...

BUT I have come across a similar story of a similar base claim to Phil's suggestions in the UK....

Now whether this has been invented along the lines of What Phil S suggested or not.. or if its genuine is presently not possible to say...

But the theory or suggestion if truth is certainly something that would be quite mind blowing ...

My thoughts are if ET is here in any way...I do  not see why it could not be possible...

BUT what these bases may actually be up to.. that could be a major concern to the Human race ! and terribly frightening....


The Dulce story was BS.  That does not mean there is no underground base somewhere near there.  There is a lot of smoke and mirrors surrounding real secret projects or cover ups of real sensitive accidents or secret science projects.

I think there are areas where nukes were tested underground and they wanted to keep folks away.  They were also testing the animal tissues in the area to see the effects of radioactive tests - hence the mutilations.

ETA:  There was probably a lot more to it but there is a couple of interesting possibilities
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 06:05:00 pm
Phil obviously pi$ed some one off tho.

He pissed ME off with that stupid Corbomite Maneuver
But no I didn't sanction him,  8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 01, 2014, 06:30:53 pm
I think Sinny has forgotten that military testimony about Roswell came AFTER they were no longer in the military.

...and that I am ex military also.


I guess that makes my testimony unreliable as well.

Good thing that there are plenty of civilian witnesses to the event eh?


I will leave it to readers to decide who is telling the truth, those that bother to actually examine the evidence that is.

I have created several more 1947 sorts of similar characteristics that are enlightening as well, but this exercise has become redundant at this point.






 





 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 01, 2014, 07:53:37 pm
I would say:
You just can not ignore this.

 ;)


I would agree Lunica.

Yet some still manage to.  ;)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on November 02, 2014, 04:43:42 pm
Do you know why?
Why?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Pimander on November 02, 2014, 04:58:18 pm
I guess that makes my testimony unreliable as well.t are enlightening as well, but this exercise has become redundant at this point.
I have worked for the UK government and almost certainly will be needed again.  My testimony is 100% bang on the real deal.  Sinny, who do you work for. ;D
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: ArMaP on November 02, 2014, 05:02:46 pm
Why?
For the same reason cyclists follow each other, the one in the front creates a slight vortex that makes it easier for the one behind him, and after some time they change places. In the case of the birds it's probably because of the movement of the wings to each side making the same effect for the ones behind and to each side. For birds that fly long distances that makes a big difference.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 02:54:10 am
For the same reason cyclists follow each other, the one in the front creates a slight vortex that makes it easier for the one behind him,

And Race Car Drivers too... it's called "Drafting"

[youtube]_iGcYizc5yo[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iGcYizc5yo
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 03, 2014, 02:57:55 am
Has anyone considered that this flight of saucers came from the direction of a then secret air base in Canada (Alberta)?  The same air base where when rumors of NAZI saucer work being done there caused them to release the Avro to the press?

Curious huh?

 8)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 03, 2014, 06:47:31 pm
Has anyone considered that this flight of saucers came from the direction of a then secret air base in Canada (Alberta)?  The same air base where when rumors of NAZI saucer work being done there caused them to release the Avro to the press?

Curious huh?

 8)


Sure why not?

So you're saying it was the US invading itself for most of the year from bases in Canada with NAZI ufo technology?

Good PR to scare the Russians and they have been doing so ever since.









Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: onetruekeeper on November 03, 2014, 08:09:15 pm
The Avro was never in development to be a flying vehicle in my opinion. It is nothing more than a experimental hovercraft meant to skim over a surface at only a few feet off the ground. Anything released by the government to the public is all PR dis-information. So if you are a UFO enthusiast please consider ALL government sources ( documents or former employees ) of UFO info as BOGUS. Why waste time chasing dis-information when there are more credible sources out there?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: RUSSO on November 04, 2014, 03:34:55 am
ALL government sources ( documents or former employees ) of UFO info as BOGUS. Why waste time chasing dis-information when there are more credible sources out there?

I think you are generalizing too much.

When it comes to information TAKEN (not offered by free and spontaneous will, but for freedom of information acts done by civilians) from military, I can say that although I recognize that there may be some misinformation, there are spectacular cases where you can glimpse some truth in the ocean of lies we live on.

There are cases were people paid with their own lives regarding their mouths opened.

So... we have to be careful when we say "ALL bogus" because, personally i believe there is no such thing as absolute truth.

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There are no eternal facts, as there are no absolute truths.
       – Friedrich Nietzsche: Human, All-too-Human
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 04, 2014, 04:51:48 am
Good PR to scare the Russians and they have been doing so ever since.

True enough the Avrocar was a publicity coverup  LOL When the press got wind of secret tests on saucer type craft at that Canadian/US base... they wheeled out the Avro and said "Yup we are... here is what we have so far"

(http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/avrocar-640x508.jpg)

Everyone had a good laugh at the silly little hovercraft and the press went away.

Base commander says "Well that was close, but seems they bought it"

 ::)

Meanwhile....


Tighten the strap on your tinfoil hat: Recently declassified documents show that the US Air Force was working on, and perhaps had already built, a supersonic flying saucer in 1956.

The aircraft, which had the code name Project 1794, was developed by the USAF and Avro Canada in the 1950s. One declassified memo, which seems to be the conclusion of initial research and prototyping, says that Project 1794 is a flying saucer capable of “between Mach 3 and Mach 4,” (2,300-3,000 mph) a service ceiling of over 100,000 feet (30,500m), and a range of around 1,000 nautical miles (1,150mi, 1850km).

Project 1794 front coverAs far as we can tell, the supersonic flying saucer would propel itself by rotating an outer disk at very high speed, taking advantage of the Coand? effect. Maneuvering would be accomplished by using small shutters on the edge of the disc (similar to ailerons on a winged aircraft). Power would be provided by jet turbines. According to the cutaway diagrams, the entire thing would even be capable of vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL).

(http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Fig-2-Cutaway-of-Aircraft-Structure-e1348157629308-640x532.jpg)

(http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Project-1794-Cover.jpg)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on November 04, 2014, 06:10:37 am
A51, the people within the military that I commented were key international 'movers and shakers, and were embedded in 'alternative ideolog'y.
My comments on 'who do their actions serve' does not relate to the majority of the military force - who are for all intents and purposes, pawns in the game.

Zorgons presented the line of thought of which 'you guys' in turn seem to be turning a blind 'eye'.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: ArMaP on November 04, 2014, 06:53:37 am
And Race Car Drivers too... it's called "Drafting"
Car (and moto) racers used it to gain a speed advantage over the one(s) in front, not as a way of using less energy.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 04, 2014, 02:23:25 pm




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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 04, 2014, 02:44:14 pm
A51, the people within the military that I commented were key international 'movers and shakers, and were embedded in 'alternative ideolog'y.
My comments on 'who do their actions serve' does not relate to the majority of the military force - who are for all intents and purposes, pawns in the game.

In my experience with the military.... I see THREE types

1) The Grunts.  Those who follow orders to the letter, never think for themselves and might kill you for suggesting that the Government did 9/11. They cannot conceive such audacity

2) The Top Dogs that are intent on keeping everything secret, even when there is no need to. It is simply a power move. You won't even get them to tell you if they had one or two coffees that morning

3) The Sane ones: These are the ones that become true whistle blowers albeit VERY rarely will they be clear and to the point in public. Why? because the Top Dogs and the Grunts will likely kill them  :P

So they leak out info and hope that the right people will pick up on it and follow it through. They drop key words and hints, point you to where to look and give you a hint of what to look for.  This may not seem a lot but having the right terminology and location of info is extremely useful.  You cannot find answers if you don't know what you are looking for

For years since I started at ATS I have been contacted by those in the 3rd group. Not so much anymore since Pegasus became an Opera House... but still I have a foot in the door with the REAL secret astronaut program.

I am still considering how to best use that resource.

Looking around at people posts... most have already made up their mind.  Perhaps it will be best that I use him (from 21SOPS) on the website only and do a proper presentation like I used to
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 04, 2014, 02:50:43 pm
Zorgons presented the line of thought of which 'you guys' in turn seem to be turning a blind 'eye'.

Zorgon also has another question...

Conspiracy people are alway on about how the governments of the world are covering up UFO research  yet a glance at the world scene shows that most governments are in fact shutting down any such programs (except France who maintains a team of four people)

Why the French state has a team of UFO hunters.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7560.msg106039#msg106039

The MoD closed theirs in 2009 putting debunker Nick Pope out of work  :P

UK closed UFO desk after 50yrs and no 'potential threat'

The British government finally shut down a special unit investigating UFO sightings after more than 50 years as it was a drain on resources and not a single report ever revealed " a potential threat to the United Kingdom," newly released government files showed Friday.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) closed a hotline and an email address to which sightings of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) could be reported in 2009, saying at the time that "no UFO report has revealed any evidence of a potential threat to the United Kingdom".

http://phys.org/news/2013-06-uk-ufo-desk-50yrs-potential.html

Seems in Brazil they are still Little Green Men   :P

(http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/2013/amockufowith.jpg)
"Smile, you are being abducted" is pictured north of Brasilia


Now can someone PLEASE give me a date when they turned from GREEN to GREY?

 ::)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on November 04, 2014, 03:02:14 pm
My current take on all this is we had some major visitations in the late 40's, got reallt heavy in the 50's and started petering out in the 60's

After that any UFOs that were unknown craft were black ops, either reverse engineered or our own offshoots. The change from the classic disc type to the triangles to me indicates we took the drive technology and added our own design

The rest of the sightings of glowing orbs and lights and fuzzy blobs are in my opinion CRITTERS And since critter do no harm they truly are no threat to any military organization

UFO watching the ISS?  Why? The ISS and operations are pretty boring and have been doing the same thing for decades.  More likely this is a CRITTER like all the other "plasma Phenomena" that NASA has been watching since the late 60's

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/a1/7c/a17cc74f4a4929e60a1ff217134963ae.jpg?itok=mwr3NceX)

UFO shutting down Nuclear Missiles?

No not really. It was the old failsafe mechanisms that triggered a cascade of events because of the EM field generated by a curious CRITTER  Back in those days our electronic equipment did not have sophisticated EMP protection... so the glowing orbs those guys saw tripped the sensors which triggered an auto shut down

Now image the military mind of the day... realizing that all their fancy nukes could be shut down by a little bit of 'ball lightning' with a min of its own. And there were still unsure at the time what 'Foo Fighters' were and who owned them... be it Russians, Germans or Little Green Men in little glowing spaceships that behave the same way as CRITTERS

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on November 04, 2014, 04:20:31 pm
Z, your comment on Green to Grey aliens had me curious when you first mentioned it last week!

I've just moved house, so I've not inputted as much as I'd like.

My mind is not currently 'made up' (all I know is that I do not know), although I have been testing and re-enforcing some theories quite strongly for a number of reasons - some of which being the 'reaction' here at PRC.

Interesting to say the least.

Although I am quite fond of Lyn Picketts hypothesis, which seems to embrace many others.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: ArMaP on November 04, 2014, 04:35:20 pm
Now can someone PLEASE give me a date when they turned from GREEN to GREY?
When people started having colour TVs? :)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 04, 2014, 05:20:00 pm
Many are what Z refers to as 'Critters', still little is understood about these.

You may find the NASA and others have studied this phenomenal in some depth, as it has been found
as Z has said, our technologies are at times affected by 'Critters' activity !


There are believed by Scientists, to be thousands of 'Species' still to be discovered in our oceans,
as well as on land.

One of the strange species which has been known about for many years are 'electric eels'.

Some have the ability to kill humans ! And have reported to do so !

Some of these eels are very large.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel
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The electric eel (Electrophorus electricus) is an electric fish, and the only species in its genus.

It is capable of generating powerful electric shocks of up to 650 volts, which it uses for hunting,
self-defense and communicating with fellow eels.

It is an apex predator in its South American range. Despite its name, it is not an eel,
but rather a knifefish.

So 'Critters' may well harvest 'Energy', and exist in our upper atmosphere and in space.


We consume the dirt which has been converted to plants, as do many species, which is then mutated
through DNA & RNA (Chemical based Programs) to produce our bodies, as well as harvesting 'Energy'
from this food !

Hell we still know very little about the 'human species', let alone other species.

Added text ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_eel

Bionics
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Researchers at Yale University and the National Institute of Standards and Technology argue artificial cells
could be built that not only replicate the electrical behavior of electric eel cells, but also improve on them.

Artificial versions of the eel's electricity-generating cells could be developed as a power source
for medical implants and other microscopic devices.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 04, 2014, 06:02:11 pm
There are many other species which can also deliver an electric shock !

http://www.electricshock.org/electric-animals.html

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Man’s fascination with electricity began long before Benjamin Franklin flew his fabled kite
in the lightning storm.

For hundreds of years, people have admired and coveted this natural power, seeking to create it,
harness it, or control it.

While modern technology would lead us to believe that we have mastered these lofty goals,
the disheartening fact remains that Mother Nature has beaten us to it.

Within the animal kingdom, there are literally hundreds and hundreds of electric animals, common
and obscure, which are just simply shocking!

Other Electric Animals:

While stingrays, eels and catfish are the most widely known animals with electrical capabilities,
there are many, many more. Over 500 different creatures harbor the ability to create an electrical shock.

Elephant fishes, bonytongues, and stargazers are all fish with various degrees of electrical power.

Many fish use electric fields as a navigational tool, similar to the electric catfish.

Most electric users are aquatic.

One legendary beast, however, is decidedly not aquatic.

The Mongolian Death Worm is said to be a large worm in the Gobi dessert that possesses either acid
or electricity as a means of attack.

While there is no concrete evidence that the Death Worm exists, it is almost universally accepted
and described by natives of the desert. It is another great mystery of electrical animals.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on November 04, 2014, 06:09:58 pm

Glow-in-the-dark cats

(http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/styles/featured_blog/public/cats_0.jpg)


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In 2007, South Korean scientists altered a cat’s DNA to make it glow in the dark
and then took that DNA and cloned other cats from it — creating a set of fluffy, fluorescent felines.

Here’s how they did it:

The researchers took skin cells from Turkish Angora female cats and used a virus to insert
genetic instructions for making red fluorescent protein.

Then they put the gene-altered nuclei into the eggs for cloning, and the cloned embryos
were implanted back into the donor cats — making the cats the surrogate mothers for their own clones.

 

What’s the point of creating a pet that doubles as a nightlight?

Scientists say the ability to engineer animals with fluorescent proteins will enable them to artificially
create animals with human genetic diseases.

Take a closer look at what happens to these kitties when the lights go out:


Read more: http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/photos/12-bizarre-examples-of-genetic-engineering/glow-in-the-dark#ixzz3I9SoRkx0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioluminescence

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Bioluminescence is the production and emission of light by a living organism.

Bioluminescence occurs widely in marine vertebrates and invertebrates, as well as in some fungi,
microorganisms including some bioluminescent bacteria and terrestrial invertebrates such as fireflies.

Bioluminescence in some animals is produced by symbiotic organisms.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: RUSSO on November 05, 2014, 12:38:48 am

Now can someone PLEASE give me a date when they turned from GREEN to GREY?

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In the 1893 article "Man of the Year Million", H. G. Wells envisaged humanity transformed into a race of grey-skinned beings, stunted and with big heads. (Compare the Morlocks of Wells's 1895 novel, The Time Machine, who appear greyish-white and large-eyed, but hairy.) In his 1901 book The First Men in the Moon, Wells described Selenites (natives of the Moon) as having grey skin, big heads, large black eyes and wasp-stings. He also briefly describes aliens resembling Greys brought down to Earth as food by the Martian antagonists of his 1898 novel The War of the Worlds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_alien)

But they still feel green in heart :(
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lir3fkli8V1qzozj1.gif)

Feeling the tears too?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on November 11, 2014, 08:52:06 pm

We now have a poll on this thread for you to cast your vote on what you feel the source of these sightings in 1947 were.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Lunica on November 11, 2014, 11:28:16 pm
We now have a poll on this thread for you to cast your vote on what you feel the source of these sightings in 1947 were.
Good one. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Sinny on November 12, 2014, 04:56:11 am
The above Poll might aswell have just stated:

ET
Terrestrial.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: RUSSO on November 12, 2014, 11:10:35 am
We now have a poll on this thread for you to cast your vote on what you feel the source of these sightings in 1947 were.

 8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 19, 2015, 11:40:09 pm
May 19 1947 - Augusta Chronicle (Georgia) 11:00 A.M. EST (July 6 edition)
The Oregonian (Portland) (July 6 edition)

Beaufort, South Carolina - Augusta physician, Dr. Golden R. Battey, spotted four discs while fishing in St. Helena Sound near Beaufort.

Battey stressed how bright they looked and related that the craft traveled at an altitude of more than 20,000 feet in a southeasterly direction.
He said they were spinning on their axes with a circular rim around their lower quarter as they silently moved by in less than twenty seconds at great speed.


June 20 1947 - The Oregonian (Portland) (June 28 edition)
 
Flying Saucer Story Grows

Kelso, Washington - Mrs. Jerry Neels said she saw some "bright and shiny" discs south of Kelso on the 20th.


June 20 - Kelso, Washington - OREGONIAN (Portland) 6/28 edition 


Mrs. Jerry Nuels said she saw some flying discs south of Kelso last Friday.

She said that they were “bright and shiny."


July 6 Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Daily Enterprise, July 7 edition

...Phillips said that at least nine of the 'saucers' [appeared] in a space of fifteen minutes. Both men said the discs were flying at such a tremendous rate of speed that they were unable to get a good look at them. They tried unsuccessfully to clock them once when one flashed by.

Phillips turned the plane to get a better look at it, but it had disappeared by the time the plane came around. Phillips said the discs varied in size of a small plane up to a large transport. He said they looked saucer shaped with the front tilted up.

He said they were definitely made of metal, since they glistened like silver in the sun.

They appeared to be revolving, he said. Barbarick said that it gave you a feeling "like someone was shooting flak at you." 


June 23 - Clayton, Georgia - GEORGIA UNITED PRESS


Witnesses Mr. Cantrell and Mr. Pepper report that a large shiny silver ball hovered for several minutes over a mountain in Clayton, and then zoomed away.


June 27 - Tintown, Arizona - 10:30 A.M. MST (9:30amPST)

John A. Petsche, an electrical worker, and another person independently witnessed a disc-shaped object, which seemed to land near Tintown, Arizona.

The disc had a mirror-like surface.

(Coral E. Lorenzen, Flying Saucers: The Startling Evidence of the Invasion from Outer Space, p. 17; Jacques Vallee, Passport to Magonia: A Century of Landings, p. 191).


June 28 - Oregon - 5:05 P.M. PST - ASSOCIATED PRESS 6/29 edition


An Oregon woman, Mrs. Sidney Smith and her daughter Joanne, reported seeing an alternately shining flying saucer heading southeast at high speed.


June 29 - White Sands, New Mexico - 1:30 P.M. MST - EVENING STAR (Washington, DC) 7/9 edition

Saucer Seen By Rocket Expert, Flight Over Desert Described

Three naval research scientists involved in guided missile development were all in a car headed northeast down Route 17 to the White Sands proving grounds to examine a launching site for a July 3rd V-2 test, when they had their attention drawn upward by a flash.

All three men, and Curtis Rockwood's wife who was in the car, observed "a silvery disc whirling through the unclouded sky."

John Kauke was driving and became so overwhelmed by the site that he stopped the car.

They then estimated the disc's altitude between 8,000 and 10,000 feet and were especially attracted by its bright surface.

They agreed its shape appeared elliptical and flat.

Dr. Zohn, a well-known rocket expert, stated that the object did not look like any rocket he had ever seen and that it could not have been a balloon.

(Dr. C.J. Zohn reported their observation to Army Intelligence with supporting testimony from fellow scientists Curtis C. Rockwood and John R. Kauke. 


June 30 - Astoria, Oregon - 12:45 P.M. PST - ASTORIAN BUDGET (Oregon) 7/1 edition


An extremely bright disc-shaped object maneuvered over the Annex for 15 minutes.

It then flew north toward the Columbia River.

A local welder saw the disc—it being so bright he noticed it through his dark welding glasses.

Then other observers saw the objects and their concern led to phone calls to the Army at Fort Stevens and the Coast Guard at Port Adams.

Officials from those facilities, however, stated that they had noted no unusual activity.


June 30 - Astoria, Oregon - 12:45 P.M. PST - OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/2 edition


Flying Disk Reported Above Fort Stevens

"There is a flying disk right now over Fort Stevens," Mrs. Earl Seado, housewife residing in the Fort Stevens annex, said Monday at 1 p.m., when she called an Astoria newspaper office. She was asked to chart its course.

Mrs. Seado said it was heading across Fort Stevens in a northern direction and that it had been visible for 15 minutes, even when the sun was not shining.

It was dazzling bright and saucer-shaped.

Everybody in the annex saw it." ...Mrs. Seado was asked to call another of the witnesses, preferably a man, to the phone...

A man did come but said, "I won't give you my name. I don't want the same thing to happen to me that happened to the first man who said he saw a disk."

The man said he was a welder and had looked at the disk through the welder's goggles because it was so bright.

He said that he was not certain whether the disk was reflected light or some physical object but it was blinding bright.

In contrast to Mrs. Seado, the welder said that he could not make out the direction taken by the disks because the "clouds were moving so fast."

The reporter receiving the two reports rushed the call to Fort Stevens and was answered by a calm, drowsy voice which reported that no official report had reached the headquarters of flying disks. Fort Stevens, he reported, was intact. He did not refer the call to the commanding officer.

A second call made to the Coast Guard, was answered by an alert man on the switchboard who reported that no disks had been reported. He stepped outside and saw none.


June 30 - Spokane, Washington - Afternoon PST - OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/2


(AP) —— During the afternoon two independent reports of a disc-like object seen over the city were made, one by a sheriff's officer.

John Mourning, county night jailer, submitted an official report to the sheriff's office describing his observation of  "a bright, shiny object coming from the west," and flying at an altitude above that of most planes.

The object "appeared to be round," and had no wings or apparent means of propulsion.

Mourning said he had heard no motor sound, and declared that "jet planes are very slow in comparison to what I saw."

David Allen, 18, reported that he, too, had seen an object during the afternoon.

While he was washing windows in the downtown area, he saw something that "looked like a silver dollar, and was going very fast."


June 30 1947 - Hailey, Idaho - 2:30 P.M. MST - BOISE DAILY STATESMAN (Idaho) 7/3 edition

Several observers reported seeing a flight of objects pass over between Hailey toward Galena Summit.

Walter Nicholson said he saw "eight to ten" of the objects fly over in a V-formation, going in a northwest direction over Galena Summit. He said the left wing, or leg, of the formation contained five disc-shaped objects in perfect line, but the ones in the right leg "seemed to waver," and he was uncertain as to exactly how many there were.

The objects were "extremely bright and moved -very- fast."

Hunter Nelson, a forest ranger said he saw seven to nine of the discs.

He was marking timber about three miles from Galena Summit, when he saw the V-formation of objects flying directly overhead, at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet above the 8,000 foot summit he was on.

He said "it took the objects but a few seconds" to pass out of view.

(Both recalled a momentary change of formation when the right wing began to swing forward but then fell back into line. The spacing between each of the objects was estimated as four to five diameters by Nicholson. He told McDonald that they maintained approximately uniform spacing at all times in a rather rigid manner. No flutter or swerving was seen.

Both emphasized the high speed of the objects, "much faster than any aircraft of that day.")


July 1 - Summerside, Prince Edward Island, Canada - Day - NORMAN TRANSCRIPT (Oklahoma) 7/4 edition
MONTREAL STAR (CP, Summerside) (Canada) 7/3
TACOMA NEWS-TRIBUNE (CP, Summerside) (Washington) 7/3
N.Y. HERALD-TRIBUNE (UP, Chicago, 7/3) 7/4
MANCHESTER MORNING UNION (UP, Chicago, 7/3) (New Hampshire) 7/4

Dr. and Mrs. C.K. Gunn with two friends saw a strange luminous object traveling at great speed high in the sky.

Dr. Charles K. Gunn, animal ecologist and head of an experimental fox farm in Summerside, was driving with his wife along a highway at North Bedeque at an unspecified time during the day. With the Gunns were friends of theirs, Mr. Roland Phillipson, who was manager of the Maritime Prices and Trade Board in Summerside, and his daughter, Anne.

Miss Phillipson was the first to notice a bright object moving rapidly across the sky, and she called it to the attention of the others.

Dr. Gunn stopped the car and reported later that they had observed the object "quite plainly."

Mr. Phillipson described it as "a shapeless object that glistened and gleamed in the bright sunlight."

Mrs. Gunn said that it appeared like "a large star as it traveled across the clear blue sky."

Dr. Gunn reported that the object made no noise and did not resemble an airplane. It was visible for about 30 seconds before it disappeared to the south.

All the witnesses said they were sure they had seen "something unusual" and could find no explanation for what it might have been.



July 2 - DeKalb, Texas - Sunset CST - LITTLE ROCK GAZETTE - Texarkana, 7/3


City and county officials in the Texarkana area began an investigation of reports that numerous residents had seen UFOs in the vicinity of the Texas-Arkansas state line.
 
One of the first sightings was made by Wendell L. Carson, a farmer near DeKalb, at sunset. Carson reported that he and his small son watched "dumb­founded" as a disc swooped noiselessly across his tomato patch at an altitude of 100 feet.

In his report, made the next day, Carson described the disc as "roundish," and said it shone like "a mirror reflecting the sun."

He said that it had been flying "very fast," and added that he would have reported it sooner but was convinced he and his son must have been seeing things, until he heard of other reports in the area.

Another DeKalb witness, Mrs. S. G. Nichols, reported independently that she had seen a disc glide over her home at about the same time as Carson's observation.


July 3 - St. Maries, Idaho - 6:30 P.M. PST - OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/7


Eight 'Flying Saucers' Reported Down on Idaho Mountain"

-Air Search Scheduled For Region
-Flights continue To Be Observed Over Wide Area
-Extreme Speed Reported


Eight luminous discs were reported by Mrs. Walter Johnson and her family while she was visiting her parents.

The sighting occurred at 6:30 P.M. PST when her father Ben Beeman had alerted the whole family to "come out of the house quick!"

As they all ran outdoors the family of at least nine saw eight to nine large objects flying from the south in a scattered formation.

Mrs. Johnson said they approached very fast and soon became silhouetted against a nearby mountainside.

Mrs. Johnson later told the press that "suddenly they stopped in mid-air, then started again. When they reached a point over a clearing in the timber, they stopped again and settled down a few at a time until they were out of sight.

The mysterious part was that we could see them flutter down into the timber, and yet we couldn't see that they did anything to the trees."

She went, on stating that they looked thicker than discs—actually more like washtubs but as big as a "five room house."

She said they glittered like a mirror in the sunlight, but that the sun was apparently obscured by overcast.


Over a half dozen neighbors also witnessed this sight.


July 3, near St. Maries, Idaho - Spokane Spokesman-Review, 7/7
Spokane Daily Chronicle, 7/7
Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/7
Portland Oregonian, 7/7
San Francisco Chronicle (AP), 7/7
Detroit Times (INS), 7/7
New York Journal-American (INS), 7/7
New York Times (AP, Spokane, 7/6), 7/7
UP & AP general ref in many papers, 7/7

Mrs. Walter Johnson, of  Dishman, Washington, a Spokane suburb, reported that she and her family had been visiting her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Ben Beeman, of Butler's Bay, on the St. Joe River in northern Idaho, after having spent a few days camping in the area.

About 6:30 p.m. PST, on the 3rd, Ben Beeman, who had been working in his garden, suddenly "shouted for us to come outside of. the house," Mrs. Johnson reported.

When they had come out, at least nine members of the family, including Mrs. Johnson's sister and a niece, saw nine large objects (some counted only eight) flying out of
the southern sky in a loose formation.

"With that mountainside as a background, we saw the saucers come in very fast, slow down jerkily, then flutter to the ground like leaves," she told the press, several days later.

"The objects made no sound, Mrs. Johnson said. "Suddenly they stopped in mid-air, then started again. When they reached a point over a clearing in the timber, they stopped again and settled down a few at a time until they were out of sight.

The mysterious part was that we could see them flutter down into the timber, and yet we couldn't see that they did anything to the trees."

The objects, thicker than discs and looking more like washtubs, were described by Mrs. Johnson as being "about the size of a five-room house."

They glittered with the brilliance of a mirror in the sunlight, but "they must have given off the light themselves, because the sun itself was not visible."

"The area where they went down was several miles away," Mrs. Johnson explained, and darkness prevented any search for the objects that evening.


July 4 - Portland, OR - 2:00 P.M. PST - LOS ANGELES HERALD-EXPRESS (California) 7/5


Numerous Portland citizens reported sightings.

1:00 P.M. - KOIN radio station employee, Frank Cooley, a former Marine Corps observer, confirmed numerous disc sightings around Portland throughout the day. He and many of his co-workers saw disc-shaped objects from the windows of the International News Service office in the Journal building.

Cooley, as stated, saw a formation of twelve discs himself as high as 20,000 feet at 1:00 P.M.

He declared that they were "operated and maneuverable devices," indicating that the objects were larger than many believed.

He continued: "They plainly experienced maneuvers in the sky. . . At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc.

It was hard to follow their behavior exactly because of the great height, their gleaming surface and their nature."

He said that they could only be seen clearly when "tilted to catch the sun's rays."

He was convinced, he added, that the discs were operated either "by some human or remote control."

At approximately the same time that Cooley made his observation, a number of similar objects were seen from the windows of the International News Service office in the Journal Building.

INS employees said that "at first they appeared to be high-flying birds, as their motion undulated, (as if) some kind of wings propelled them," INS reported.

"They banked sharply and without apparent system of direction."

Two objects were so high that reports of their disc-like appearance could not be verified, but they seemed to move with high speed.

They were last seen heading south after circling sharply over the west-side area."


At 2:00 P.M. "metallic discs glinting in the sunlight" were seen across the Williamette River near the Ross Island bridge.

Picnickers and a woman pilot saw silvery "spinning discs."


July 4 - Portland and Milwaukee, Oregon, and Vancouver, Washington 1:05 P.M. PST - OREGONIAN (Portland) 7/5

Radio newsman Frank Cooley of station KOIN,
INS wire service employees in the Portland Oregon Journal Building,
Clark County Sheriff's Deputy Fred Krives,
Deputy Clarence McKay,
Sgt. John Sullivan,
Portland Police Officer Kenneth A. McDowell,
Harbor Patrol Capt. K. A. Prahn,
Harbor Patrolmen A. T. Austad and K. C. Hoff,
Portland Police Officers Earl J. Patterson,
Walter A. Lissy and Robert Ellis,
Oregon Highway Patrol Sgt. Claude Cross,

and many others over a wide area, for 30-90 seconds saw 5 large discs moving at high speed to the E, 2 flying S and 3 to the E, with oscillating or wobbling motion, sudden 90° turns or zigzagging.

Radio reports alerted other officers who saw the objects, aluminum or chromium color, disc or hubcap or pie-pan or half-moon shape flashing in the sun, no vapor trail, no noise (except possible humming), some at 10,000-­40,000 ft others at about 1,000 ft.

McDowell noticed pigeons reacted. Sullivan, McKay and Krives noted low humming sound and reported 20-30 objects. Cooley reported 12 discs at about 20,000 ft.

Patterson, Lissy and Ellis were pilots.


2:00 P.M. "metallic discs glinting in the sunlight" were seen across the Williamette River near the Ross Island bridge.

4:30 P.M. - One woman described viewing an object like "a new dime flipping around" over the Sandy District.

4:58 P.M. - Two white or silver objects flew over Portland heading southeast.

5:30 P.M. - A third passed over.


July 4 - Broderick, California - Day - SACRAMENTO BEE (California) 7/5


On the Sacramento River a family was enjoying a picnic when a shiny disc appeared far above.

Mrs. Clarence Henn and her son, Robert, commented at the time that whatever it was, its surface must have had a highly polished finish to reflect the sun so brightly.

When the object did leave, it did not gradually move out of view, but just vanished.


July 4 - Las Vegas, Nevada - SACRAMENTO EVENING BEE (California) 7/5
BOULDER CITY DAILY NEWS (Nevada), 7/7
ELKO DAILY FREE PRESS (Nevada) 7/7

Clark County Building Inspector O.J. Morling stated that he and his wife saw up to two dozen "discs" pass over in a loose formation.

They estimated the objects were traveling at about 100 miles per hour, at 500 feet of altitude heading toward the northeast.
 
Private pilot Raymond Harris also saw saucers over Nevada. From his 150 Voyager he and a friend observed five discs below them—so bright they were hard to look at.

He turned his aircraft to give chase but could not intercept the saucers which were zipping off toward the southwest.

After the incident he described the objects to his father, a deputy sheriff, as circular and brilliant.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 12:26:00 am


July 4 - Portland, Oregon - OREGON JOURNAL (Portland) 7/5

Then harbor patrolman, Captain K.A. Prehn, boat pilot A.T. Austad, and patrolman Kent C. Hoff reported to Portland police headquarters that they had seen three to six oscillating, flashing discs.

These were described as being "shaped like chromium hub—caps face—to—face, shining and flashing in the sun" traveling very fast and high at about 10,000 feet toward the south over the Globe Mills.

They were close enough to see their shape distinctly; their outlines were sharp, not hazy, and they looked silvery, metallic.

The men were uncertain of the exact number of objects because the flashes from the objects were so bright that they could not stand to stare at them.

They did agree that the objects wobbled and oscillated as they flew with turning and weaving motions , so that at times a full disc was seen, and at others only a "crescent," making it difficult to be certain how many there were.

They were flying at "terrific speeds". .

At about the same time the rest of these observations were being made, Sergeant Claude Cross of the Oregon State Police Department said that he "plainly saw" two or three objects from his headquarters at 9200 S.E. McLoughlin Blvd., in Milwaukee, due south of Portland.

They were seen to the east at an "undetermined height" and were following each other in a northeasterly direction at a "terrific speed."

He said they looked like "toy balloons, almost pure white, and traveled sideways with no flashing."

Meanwhile, scores of residents called the newspapers and police stations reporting similar objects.


July 4 - Portland, Oregon - 2:00 P.M. PST

E. A. Evans saw 3 metallic discs glinting sunlight, 1 moving W to E, followed by 2 others heading N.


[Other sightings at 1:05, 4:30, 5 p.m.]


July 5 - The Oregonian (Portland) 7/7


Flying Saucers Everywhere: New Tales Convert Skeptics

-Puzzle Alerts Entire Nation To Scan Sky
-Pilot Sees Objects First - Reports Come in From East
-Former skeptics joined the ranks of believers as the flashing objects glimmered before their eyes...


-...said he had seen a similarly shaped object some weeks earlier, but fear of ridicule kept him quiet
-...And for the first time, the eastern states had their reports...
-...saw a silvery object fly southward, halt abruptly and then retrace it's course


July 5 1947 - OREGONIAN - (July 7 edition)


'Flying Disc' Reports Come From Hundreds, in 28 States

-Reports Come in From All Over Nation Telling of Sighting Mysterious Discs

-...came from all points of the continent

-...Science Fails To Give Facts

-Public Advised Discs Harmless

-..."Brilliant-so brilliant in fact that it hurt my eyes to watch and I had to blink and turn away."


July 5 - Dana Point, California - 8:30 A.M. PST

Los Angeles Examiner (California) 7/6
San Francisco Examiner (California) (INS, L.A., 7/5) 7/6


John R. Street and his wife saw two "saucer-like" objects "flying slowly up the canyon" toward the Mission. "The strange objects seemed to genuflect before vanishing into the distance," Street said. "It gave us an eerie feeling."

Ten minutes later, two disc-like objects were seen about 50 miles north northwest of Dana Point, at Eagle Rock.


July 5 - Montreal, Canada - Day

WINNIPEG FREE PRESS (Montreal) 7/7


Mystery of the Flying Discs Deepens

What appeared to be six of the 'flying saucers' were seen flying north over Mount Royal, P.Q. by J. Duffield.

"They were quite visible and the sun glinted off their shiny surfaces... They were going northward and flying in formation, like ducks."


July 6 - Tucson, Arizona - 10:00 A.M. MST (9:00amPST)


University of Arizona football coach Niles (Mike) Casteel had reported seeing a flying disc pass over Tucson.

Wallace B. Magness of the Air Materiel Command from Davis Monthan AAFB reported seeing a round light—brighter than he had ever seen before.
 

July 6 - Casper, Wyoming - 3:00 P.M. MST - (2:00pmPST)

CASPER TRIBUNE-HERALD (Wyoming) 7/7


Mr. and Mrs. G. W. Gibson, saw a glittering disc traveling fast at high altitude in an easterly direction.


July 6 - Long Beach, California - 1:15 P.M. PST
 
LOS ANGELES EXAMINER (California) 7/7
SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE (California) (AP) 7/7
SALT LAKE CITY TRIBUNE (AP, San Francisco, 7/6) (Utah) 7/7


Howard Shriver, an Army aviator during the First World War, and his sister, reported that they were returning to San Diego from Los Angeles by automobile when a disc-shaped object flashed across the sky just south of Long Beach.

The disc, which they estimated to be 7,000 feet high, appeared to be flying north directly toward them when "it swerved broadside towards the ocean," and then "side-slipped" to the west and vanished from view.

Miss Shriver said that in their "broadside" view of the object, it had the appearance of "a large serving dinner plate" reflecting the sun. Her brother compared its reflective brilliance to "a mirror's reflection of the sunlight."
 
They viewed the object for three or four seconds before it disappeared from view.

Both admitted that they had been "awed by the terrific speed and brilliance" of the phenomenon and were now "among the believers."


July 6 - Tucson, Arizona - 10:00 A.M. MST - (9:00amPST)

TUCSON DAILY CITIZEN (Arizona) 7/7


Wallace B. Magness, neighbor Mr. Weirson, and Miss Fay Edwards, reported seeing a very bright round object, brighter than the sun hovering in the eastern sky, stationary except for a wobbling motion, "like a kite."

"I never saw such a bright light " Magness said that "it did not glitter, as if made of metal, but looked like snow," and was exceedingly bright.

After a few minutes, the object began moving in a northerly direction at great speed, "until it disappeared."


July 18 - Joplin, Missouri - 11:30 p.m. CST

JOPLIN SUNDAY GLOBE (Missouri) 7/20


A bright, shiny disc zoomed over the railroad freight house to the southeast looking like a "silver meat platter."


July 6 - Casper, Wyoming, Tribune-Herald, 7 July

Fifteen minutes later and 100 miles to the north at 3:00 P.M. MST Casper, Wyoming, residents Mr. and Mrs. G.W. Gibson had a sighting of a single glittering disc


July 7 - San Antonio, Texas - 4:30 P.M. CST (2:30pmPST)

AUSTIN AMERICAN (Texas) 7/8


-In Air, On Ground, They're Everywhere

Sergeant C.F. Clifton, Bergstrom Field aerial radioman reported seeing one of the flying saucers bound toward San Antonio as his plane was leaving there. Other members of the crew also saw the disc.

"I think it was about 18 feet in diameter and looked as though it was made of glass," Sgt. Clifton said. "It was extremely bright and kept flashing."

Sgt Clifton said that the crew figured that it must have been flying 1,440 miles an hour because it overtook and passed their plane in such a short time. It was round and was flying at a slightly tilted angle. "The disc seemed to be spinning as it flew," Sgt. Clifton reported.

"It blurred radio reception slightly." Lieutenant Charles O. Anderson was piloting the plane which the disc passed about 4:30 p.m.


July 7 - Medford, Oregon - 5:20 p.m. PST
Heard, op. cit., pp. 86, 97
Arnold, op, ., pp. 136-37
Hall, op cit., p. 158


Radar technician David W. Chase, saw a disc-shaped object passing overhead appeared to be flying at a speed of 600 to 700 miles an hour, at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet.

The disc was flying on edge, like a wheel, at right angles to the surface of the earth, and its large, circular surface gave off an extremely bright light, comparable in color to the light of an arc welder's torch; it also reminded the witness of a brightly faceted stone, such as a diamond seen under a brilliant light.

The object seemed to be following the contours of the terrain below it, dipping or bobbing up and down in an irregular pattern as it passed over small hills and mountains 500 to 1,000 feet high. It was in view approximately 60 to 70 seconds.


July 7 - Lakeland, Florida 1-2 p.m.

Sign painter saw 5 round shiny objects in the NE climbing at 7,500 ft; shrill noise heard.

Observer: Hiram William Griffin

Altitude: 5,000 to 7,000 feet

Speed: Very fast

Shape: "Turtle-backed"

Color: Glittery

Sound: Swishing noise

Manner of disappearance: Climbed out of sight

(Source: NICAP To: Francis Ridge Bluebook)


July 7 - Rutland, Vermont 2:05 A.M. EST

RUTLAND HERALD (Vermont) 7/8
BANGOR DAILY NEWS (AP) (Maine) 7/8
BOSTON GLOBE (Maine) 7/8
CHICAGO SUN (UP) (Illinois) 7/8
Cincinnati Enquirer (Ohio) (AP), 7/8


Mrs. Albert Steele was awakened by a heavy rainstorm. She noticed that the sky outside was bright and, believing it was time to get up, checked her watch. It was 2:05 a.m. EDT.

Looking out her bedroom window, she was startled by the appearance of a brilliant object hovering directly over the Central Vermont Public Service Corporation gas plant.

The object, casting a bright light all over the immediate neighborhood, was oval in shape, and Mrs. Steele could see "jagged edges sticking out in all directions. The edges were of different colors, but the center was like a brilliant white light," she said.

Because it was so bright, it was difficult for her to watch it continuously for any length of time.

Although she was unable to estimate its altitude, Mrs. Steele said that it was "not too high." It appeared to her to be "about the size of a bathtub."

She woke up her husband, who glanced out the window, saw the light, and went back to sleep.
 
The bright object hung motionless over the gas plant for 15 minutes. When the rain began to let up, it just "disappeared." Mrs. Steele described it "like nothing I have ever seen before."


July 7 - Manchester, New Hampshire - 9:00 P.M. EDT (6:00pmPST)

MANCHESTER MORNING UNION (New Hampshire) 7/8


Roger Plaisant and Henry Ray, made almost identical reports of seeing three yellow disc-like objects in V-formation moving northwest over the city at high speed.

They agreed that the objects seemed to be high in the sky, and Ray added that they appeared "egg-shaped," and were quite bright.


July 8 1947 - OREGON JOURNAL - 2:00  P.M. PST (July 10 edition)

Roseburg Priest Reports Discs

-"...seemed to be jiggling and darting about",... "the flashes were awfully bright and were obviously from a metallic object."



July 8 1947 - Birmingham News & Age-Herald (Alabama) 7:05 a.m. CST (July  8 edition)

Cook Springs, Alabama - An aviator who declined to make his name public told the Birmingham papers on the 8th that he had seen an object during a flight and wanted to know if there had been any other reports of "flying saucers" at the time.

He had taken his plane up for an early morning flight, he explained, and had seen the object as he flew over Cook Springs.

His attention had been caught by a bright reflection ahead of him, "like that from a mirror held against the sun." He changed his course, believing he had gotten "on the beam" of an approaching plane, but none appeared.

Then, in the direction of the source of the flash, he saw silhouetted against the mountains a "round object about the size of an automobile wheel" (at arm's length).

He tried to catch up with it, but the speed of the object was too great for his plane. The object diminished to "about a foot in diameter and then disappeared into the haze."


July 9 1947 - St. Joseph News-Press (Missouri) 5:45 P.M. CST (July 10 edition)

 
-Saucer Seen by Society Writer Near Country Club-

Nationally known News-Press editor, Helen Culver Gettys. She witnessed a flying saucer pass over her car near the St. Joseph (Missouri) Country Club.

Mrs. Gettys had just left the club with her mother and Mrs. Charles Culver when a flash in the sky caught her eye. All of the ladies were then quite startled to look up and see one of the famous saucers.

As it flew northward at about 1,000 feet, they commented on how the sun reflected off its shiny metal surface.

The disc appeared in full view for a matter of seconds, indicating it traversed the area at a high rate of speed.

All three women possessed solid reputations and Mrs. Gettys stressed in her own article about the incident that prior to the sighting they had consumed only "one bottle apiece of a local bottler's very soft drink."


July 10 1947 - Logan Banner (West Virginia) 4:30 P.M. EST (July 11 edition)

Logan, West Virginia - George Vance observed a "round-shaped object with a sort of a turtle back" glistening intensely as it flew in a straight line.


July 11 1947 - McMinnville Telephone Register (Oregon) 6:30 P.M. PST (July 24 edition)

Longview, Washington - Two groups of a dozen or more shiny objects were observed flying with bright flashes as they turned and caught the sun's reflection.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 12:38:29 am
Hi A51,

I assume you posting this soon after my prior post and  highlighting about the UFOs sightings being Shiny, may be in ref to my post referring to the Debris that was found being suggested as being Very Shiny Foil Like material that some later suggested as being a Weather Balloon or some other object that was non UFO.

Interesting if there are so many witnesses saying that...

(Assuming its not some large CIA Scam to create what seem like Public refs if say later they wanted to change their story for what ever reason)  (I mean say If it was not a real UFO...and they at some point wanted to create the illusion it was)....but may even later suggest that it was a weather Balloon.

How the CIA m Secret Military operate and why could be very hard to be determine.

Obviously if that was not the case.. those are very good refs to it being a Genuine Craft / possible real UFO.


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8916.msg120462;topicseen#new
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 12:56:29 am


Astro - Nah was nothing to do with your thread, just decided it was time to post another thread detailing the commonalities between all the reports that year.

You will recall I have done so before in this thread detailing such characteristics as speed and motion to name a few.


Now remember that Dr. James McDonald traveled across the country in the 60's tracking down all the newspaper witnesses he could find.

They confirmed the reports as being true and gave him additional details about what they saw.

I personally have also tracked down some of these witnesses locally.


Not likely that the CIA or anyone else managed to fabricate all these newspaper reports.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:04:16 am
Once again, as I have demonstrated before, the connection to Area 51 is apparent in this technology.

Craft at A51 glitter as seen in mine and Bob's footage), and get SO bright you are fearful they are about to explode.

Note in the above reports, even on cloudy or overcast days, they emit their own light, compared by the witnesses as equal to or greater than direct sunlight.



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 01:19:46 am
This is just to associate the connection between the UFO sightings that you refer to...or what ever the object/s material ,may have been ..as having been Very Shiny...in my post it related to the video showing the debris being shiny....(even though that part of the video suggested it may had been a weather balloon)

which was what made me write the related post...

your post highlights a connection IMO..which to me seemed a coincidence at the time.

It was that that somehow got in my thoughts on it that seemed to stand out upon my observation...more so maybe than any other Roswell Video I may have seen before..that may had shown debris in the other videos that may had been created to try to demonstrate to the viewer what the debris looked like.


Re: Roswell Debris as shown in "Secret History of UFOs" Video

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So is Maybe this Video trying to convince the viewers that it may have been a Balloon or something non UFO !...One reason being that they went to a LOT of trouble to make it appear that way IMO..as in the video there seemed a VERY Lot of foil scattered over the area that it showed and it looked VERY Silvery shiny material ,like Cooking Silver Foil...thats what stood out to me on seeing this part of the film...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=8916.msg120462#msg120462


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Astro - Nah was nothing to do with your thread, just decided it was time to post another thread detailing the commonalities between all the reports that year.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 01:32:17 am
What ever it is that creates this effect, is it electrical or chemical / radiation like reactions from a combination of the E115 &  Power supply ?

Wonder what Tesla would have made of it ?  ???

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Once again, as I have demonstrated before, the connection to Area 51 is apparent in this technology.

Craft at A51 glitter 9as seen in mine and Bob's footage), and get S
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:38:19 am
My main point in creating a shiny, bright reports commonality was only to demonstrate (along with my previous posts) was that what we were clearly dealing with in 1947 were metallic, disc (flying saucer) shaped objects displaying terrific maneuvers and speeds which even today we are unable to match, and is ridiculous to imagine we could do so in 1947.

 
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 01:43:39 am
What ever it is that creates this effect, is it electrical or chemical / radiation like reactions from a combination of the E115 &  Power supply ?

Wonder what Tessla would have made of it ?  ???

Having looked at the footage closely for a few years now and going over what Bob said, which appears to be correct, is that this is a result of very fast HUGE electrical energy pulses.

The purpose and result of these pulses remains unknown.

Tesla would be a kid in a candy shop going over one of these things.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on December 20, 2015, 02:03:09 am
I can only imagine that those Huge Electrical Pulses is the result of the E115 / radiation effect /power supply.

It would create huge energy Electro magnetic like fields...to lift the craft under gravity. and to move it at such speeds..

We don't know for sure HOW it may travel thru space at maybe great distances or faster than speed of light.. but again this I am sure needs extreme high energy power to be created.



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Having looked at the footage closely for a few years now and going over what Bob said, which appears to be correct, is that this is a result of very fast HUGE electrical energy pulses.

The purpose and result of these pulses remains unknown.

Tesla would be a kid in a candy shop going over one of these things.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: rdunk on December 20, 2015, 10:51:27 am
A51Watcher, with what you present, it should be pretty hard to deny the existence of "alien-looking bright and shiny objects" in the sky. Of course, "1947" was still pretty much in the age of primarily propeller-thrust aircraft being seen in the sky, so such objects they describe were totally foreign to their eyes!!

Assuming the reports are factual as you present, just over and over and over and over..... so many different people in so many different places were seeing/are seeing much the same types of things. And these various reports were coming from the east coast to the west cost of the USA, so these certainly were not just "localized sightings".

If these sightings, or new ones, were happening today, it would be a little more difficult to know whether it was an alien craft, or is it simply another "Skunk-Works" project for today's military. But one thing for certain, if this such happens today, at least some of the sightings would be instantly in the social media, and in forums like this, with pics!! :))


Thanks for posting!!
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on December 20, 2015, 06:55:24 pm
A51Watcher, with what you present, it should be pretty hard to deny the existence of "alien-looking bright and shiny objects" in the sky. Of course, "1947" was still pretty much in the age of primarily propeller-thrust aircraft being seen in the sky, so such objects they describe were totally foreign to their eyes!!

Yes Rdunk, that along with the speeds and maneuvers they displayed also made them totally foreign to their eyes.

Just as they would today! Note the collections a few pages earlier in this thread and we regularly see 'terrific' speeds (clocked 15,000 mph at one point) along with instantaneous starts and stops and 90 degree corners at full speed.

Such technology is STILL foreign to our eyes. Anyone who witnessed S4 technology in the desert will attest to that.

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Assuming the reports are factual as you present, just over and over and over and over.....

Ok stop right there, I gotta deal for ya!

How about you make a trip to your local library. Got to the microfishe reels of your local newspaper and get the 1947 reels. Put them on the machine and start spinning the reels for late June and July.

I DARE ya!!  ;D

See if you recognize any of the family names of the people reporting them in your area.

You will be well on your way to discovering if the reports are factual.

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...so many different people in so many different places were seeing/are seeing much the same types of things. And these various reports were coming from the east coast to the west cost of the USA, so these certainly were not just "localized sightings".

True. But when I first discovered these local reports and began publishing them, I noticed debunkers on some forums dismissing them as a local fad.

The collections I have posted here in the last few pages of this thread are truly mind boggling in scope, as you mentioned, from coast to coast, for half the year.

Glad you enjoyed them.  8)


Now get down to your local library willya?  ;D






Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: rdunk on December 20, 2015, 11:51:56 pm
"Now get down to your local library willya?"  ;D

A51W, I don't have even a smidgen of question about them being "factual" - I said, "assuming" they are factual!! Maybe I should have been more clear with my thoughts! :)  Just a lot of witnesses to so many of the same type of things in the sky, as they report what they saw! Again, thanks!!
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on February 11, 2016, 11:37:11 pm

 
Here's quick draft I put together of a map of The Manhattan Project locations, with an overlay of 2 weeks worth of 1947 sightings.

I am working on a new one that contains all the sightings that year.
(Notice the beeline for the Hanford nuclear breeder.)
 
I am certain the Generals at the Pentagon had a map similar to this one prepared for them and were not happy to see the results.



[youtube]VOPz88TRkpo[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOPz88TRkpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOPz88TRkpo)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 21, 2016, 06:55:29 pm


(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/1947map_zpsbv2st2uj.png)


Yellow = Manhattan Project locations

Blue = Military bases of note

Red = Sightings in 1947



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: space otter on April 21, 2016, 08:45:58 pm


the middle of the country must be totally uninteresting to visitors..hummmmmmmmm :o
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 22, 2016, 02:43:22 pm
I'm betting the military brass were not pleased to see the results above, which they undoubtedly had plotted on a daily basis.

Their primary concern of course being that their most sensitive bases might be being surveilled by high performance remote controlled bombs of unknown origin. Initial suspicion of course fell to the Russians.
 
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Manhattan_Project_US_Canada_Map_2.svg/700px-Manhattan_Project_US_Canada_Map_2.svg.png)

"A selection of US and Canadian sites important to the Manhattan Project."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project)


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the middle of the country must be totally uninteresting to visitors..

Maybe that's related to The Manhattan Project sites not being located in the same middle of the country area.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 22, 2016, 10:55:28 pm
July 4 1947 - between Emmett, Idaho and Ontario, Oregon


United Air Lines Captain E.J. Smith calmly and confidently poses with stewardess Marty Morrow the day after their harrowing experience aboard Flight 105 -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Capt%20Smith/UALImage3_zpsth4evpwr.jpg) 


Funny thing is neither he or his copilot looked too calm or collected the day before right after they had landed -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Capt%20Smith/ATS-808_3_zpserea638d.jpg)


...with good reason considering what the crew and passengers had just witnessed -

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Capt%20Smith/tumblr_n48x83e22W1qcay1ao1_500_zpse1akqvo8.gif)



(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Capt%20Smith/NARA-PBB1-814_screenfixBrite_zps3zkgplps.jpg)

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l595/A51Watcher/Capt%20Smith/united_airlines-DC-3_350_zpszqvw1mrt.jpg)


Portland Oregonian, 7/5 & 7/6
Portland Journal, 7/5
Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 7/5
Boise Daily Statesman, 7/5 & 7/6
Chicago Times (AP, Boise), 7/5
Chicago Times, 7/7
Los Angeles Examiner (AP), 7/5
New York Herald-Tribune (AP), 7/6
AP, UP & INS in nearly all papers for 7/5 & 7/6
USAF Files

United Air Lines Flight 105 left Gowan Field, Boise, bound for Seattle with Captain Emil J. Smith at the controls and First Officer Ralph Stevens in the co-pilot's seat. Before they boarded the plane in Boise, someone had asked them if they had seen any flying saucers, and Smith jokingly retorted, "I'll believe them when I see them."

Eight minutes later, both he and Stevens were converted into believers.

As they flew over Emmett, Idaho, approaching a cruising altitude of about 7,000 feet, Stevens reached over to blink his landing lights, believing he had seen a plane ahead at about the same level as the airliner. He called Smith's attention to it. They immediately saw four more, arranged in a "loose formation."

"At first I thought it was a group of light planes returning from some Fourth of July celebration," said Smith, "but then I realized the things were not aircraft, but were flat and circular." Not believing their eyes, they called the stewardess, Miss Marty Morrow, forward. Without telling her what to look for, they directed her attention to the sky ahead of them. Looking out the cockpit window, Miss Morrow exclaimed, "why, there's a formation of those flying discs!"

The objects appeared "huge" and were dark grey, silhouetted against the bright evening sky. The pilots thought they were much larger than ordinary aircraft... The discs were "smooth on the bottom, and rough on top," according to the witnesses.

As soon as Miss Morrow had confirmed their observation, Smith called the control tower at Ontario, Oregon, giving his position and flight direction. He asked the tower operators to step outside to see if they could see anything unusual in the direction from which the plane was approaching. The tower operators saw nothing, which led Smith to believe that the discs were larger and farther away than they originally estimated -- possibly as far away as 30 miles.

The objects appeared to "merge," and then disappeared to the northwest. No sooner had they gone out of sight when another group came into view to the left and ahead of them
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By this time the airliner had reached its cruising altitude of 8,000 feet, and was flying over rugged country toward the Blue Mountains, in eastern Oregon.

In the second group, the discs were arranged in a straight line, three together and the fourth off by itself. "This group seemed to be higher than our flight path," reported the pilot, "and when they did leave, they left fast!"

The nine objects had been in view for at least twelve minutes, seen over a distance of more than 45 miles. Smith was certain that the objects had to be considerably larger than a DC-3 to have been seen for such a great distance. 

 


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on April 23, 2016, 10:04:02 pm
An interesting side note to the 1947 flap is a comment from a 1950 airline sighting in which the captain had the crew wake up
the passengers to witness the UFO as well, for additional witnesses.

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Captain Adickes of TWA Flight 117 said -

“Every time the plane turned toward it, the thing pulled away.  At the last, it was going a lot faster than we were.  I don’t know what it was, but it wasn’t an airplane.”

“I think that the thing was equipped with some sort of repulse radar,” said Adickes, “so it would keep at a certain distance from air liners and other planes.”

"As I'd turn toward it, it would veer away, keeping the same distance."


Interesting observation, that corroborates the 1947 observation that our new focused ground based SCR monopulse radar "appeared to cause one of the craft to deviate from it's flight path."

Another FBI memo dated March 22, 1950 and addressed directly to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover states that an Air Force investigator said three flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. The memo also says the government believed "radar interfered with the controlling mechanism of saucers."


Little known is that the US Government at that time had maintained an interconnected "beyond the fence" radar network. This secret network had served two purposes. It had helped to protect White Sands Proving Ground, Sandia National Lab and Los Alamos National Lab from aerial intrusion.

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It was also used for the "far-field" tracking of missiles launched from White Sands. Errant V-2’s as early as May of 1947 had crashed their way to Mexico.

There was no way that wayward rocket launches could ever get into the hands of civilians or foreign nationals.
And our national laboratories needed to be protected from any possible foreign strikes from the air.

This covert "outside the fence" radar program helped to provide maximum coverage as it monitored these vitally important skies.

Some of these radar facilities were mobile, highly experimental and lacked more exact "control" of beam path and range.

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In late 1945, in the lull that followed the Japanese surrender, a number of scientists at Fort Monmouth's Camp Evans began working on a way to pierce the earth's ionosphere with radio waves, a feat that had been tried just before the war without success and which many thought impossible.

Project Diana, named for the goddess of the moon, was designed to prove that it could be done. Begun on an almost unofficial level by Evans radar scientists awaiting their Army discharge, the project was headed by Lt. Col. John DeWitt.

Lt. Colonel John H. DeWitt Jr., in charge of the project, a modified version of the SCR-271 early-warning radar used at Pearl Harbor. DeWitt is the former chief engineer of WSM.

Operating with only a handful of full-time researchers, the project scientists greatly modified a SCR-271 bedspring radar antenna, set it up in the northeast corner of Camp Evans, jacked up the power, and aimed it at the rising moon on the morning of January 10, 1946.

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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:13:35 pm


Now let's take a look at a collection of Flying Disc reports made by pilots that year -

May 18 1947 - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Dusk

Oklahoma City Times 6/26


-Fast Flying Disks Reported in West-

(AP) -- Pilot and businessman Byron Savage and his wife had just started to walk out to their car. At first he commented to his wife that a big white plane was coming over.

He continued to watch the craft because it soon became evident that this thing was no ordinary aircraft. The shiny disc-like object was as big as six B-29 bombers “bigger than any aircraft we have.”

It flew over the city between 10,000 and 18,000 feet toward the northwest at a speed estimated at more than 1500 mph.

The disc reportedly made no noise except for a very faint "swishing sound." It passed over in a matter of fifteen to twenty seconds and had the appearance of a "perfectly round and flat" frosty white elliptical object.

(Savage stated to FBI investigators that "he was sure this object was not a meteor and in his opinion it must be radically built and powered, probably atomic.")   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:14:25 pm


June 2 1947 - Lewes, Delaware

Columbus Citizen (Ohio) 7/8/47

On the 2nd of June private pilot Forrest Wenyon saw a jar-shaped rocket-like object fly across the nose of his aircraft at great speed near Lewes, Delaware, heading in an easterly direction around his own altitude of 1,400 feet.

Wenyon reported his observation to the CAA, Eastern Airlines, and the FBI because the object was spotted in commercial airline space.


June 20 1947 - Richfield, Idaho

Twin Falls Times News (Idaho) - 4/8/47


From Richfield came a report that Mr. and Mrs. Charles Housel and Sherman Coffman, all of that community, noticed one of the "flying objects" on June 20, about one week before the first report on the subject was made by a Boise pilot.

The Richfield residents said it was headed west at a high rate of speed and seemed to be whirling. A thin trail of white smoke was left behind the "flying disc" as it skimmed extremely high through the air, they reported. They declared they were "certain it was not an airplane."

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:15:18 pm


June 23 1947 - Bakersfield, California

Portland Journal (Oregon) - 7/2/47


Rankin Report Adds Credence to 'Disks'

The report of a long-time West Coast man was added today to the growing account of "flying saucers" over the west.

Richard Rankin, veteran of more than 7000 hours in the air, said he saw the much-debated mystery disks high over Bakersfield, Cal., and going "maybe 300 or 400 miles an hour."

There were 10 in formation flying north, he told the reporter, but when "they returned on the reverse course, headed south, there were only seven.

"I couldn't make out the number or location of their propellers and couldn't distinguish any wings or tail. They appeared almost round," he said.

Rankin said he saw them June 23, but hesitated to describe what he saw until he noted others were reporting the same thing.

At first, he continued, he assumed he had seen the XF5U-1, the experimental navy "Flying Flapjack." The navy since has announced it has only one XF5U-1, and it has not left Connecticut.

Rankin, ex-Portlander who now lives in Palm Springs, Cal., and is brother of late John G. "Tex" Rankin, pioneer stunt flyer, said he observed the "planes" from the ground.

New reports meanwhile came in from 3 Oregon cities, Astoria, Madras, and Portland.

At least 10 or 12 of the mystery craft tipped noiselessly from side to side as they moved along the course of the Columbia river Tuesday noon to convince two Portland skeptics that Kenneth "Saucer" Arnold of Boise was telling the truth when he first reported the disks a week ago.

"We didn't believe the story when we saw it in the papers but we definitely saw the flying objects at 11:45 a.m. Tuesday," reported Mrs. Herbert Baillet, who with her husband is building a house near NE 74th Ave. and Prescott St.

"I first saw three of them as we sat down to lunch and called my husband's attention to them. Later there were 10 or 12 of them, flying low below the foothills and apparently over the Columbia river or just on the Washington side. There was no noise and they did not appear to be flying fast."




June 24 1947 - Mount Ranier, Washington 2:58 p.m. PST

The Oregonian (Portland) 6/26/47

Washington - Kenneth Arnold, flying his private plane near Mount Rainier, was attracted by reflected sunlight from nine disc shaped metallic flying objects. He watched as they flashed across the sky, one behind the other, "skipping as saucers upon water."

They tilted back and forth as they flew. He clocked them as they flew past Mount Adams, and calculated that they were flying at a speed of 1,500 miles per hour and at an altitude of 9,500 feet.

When he landed in Pendleton, Oregon he was interviewed at the local radio station where the term "flying saucer" was first coined.

(His sighting was the first to receive national media attention in more than 150 newspapers, being treated as a serious news story, due to the fact that he was an experienced mountain flyer, a licensed air rescue pilot, a deputy sheriff, and respected businessman.)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:15:55 pm


June 26 1947 - Cedar City, Utah - 7:45 P.M. MST

Salt Lake City, Utah, Tribune 6/28/47
Salt Lake City, Utah, Desert News, 6/30/47

At 7:45 P.M. MST in Cedar City, Utah, observers reported seeing one silvery colored disc fly over at about 2,000 feet with great velocity heading eastward.

Apparently that same object was seen by Roy Walters, a private pilot who had his sighting while airborne near Cedar City.

Royce R. Knight, the airport manager at Cedar City, visually confirmed Walters' sighting. When he first saw it approaching the airport, he thought it was "a silver-colored plane" -- until he noticed the "terrific speed" at which the object was traveling.

Still another man, Charles Moore, told of seeing a single unidentifiable luminous object speeding east over Cedar City at the same time.


Interestingly, far to the north of Cedar City a teacher, Glen Bunting and two other independent witnesses, observed a very similar round disc moving eastward just three minutes earlier.

Salt Lake City, Utah, Desert News, 6/21/47


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:16:45 pm



June 28 1947 - Montgomery, Alabama - 9:20 p.m. CST

USAF Files


Four Army Air Corps officers at Maxwell Air Base including 2 pilots and 2 intelligence officers, watched a strangely maneuvering light over the base.

Captain William H. Kayko, Captain John H. Cantrell, First Lt. Theodore Dewey, and Captain Redman watched the bright light for 25 minutes.

It was first seen to the west, close to the horizon, in the clear moonlight.

It approached the observers in a jagged, zigzagging course, with frequent bursts of speed.

In five minutes the light had approached to a point directly overhead, and the four officers reported that it then made a sharp, sudden 90° turn toward the south... they heard no noise.   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:25:46 pm


June 28 1947 - Pendleton, Oregon

Boise, Idaho Statesman 6/28/47


Harassed Saucer-Sighter Would Like to Escape Fuss

PENDLETON June 28 (UP) -- Kenneth Arnold said today he would like to get on one of his 1200-mile-an-hour "flying saucers," and escape from the furor caused by his story of mysterious aircraft flashing over southern Washington.

"I haven't had a moment of peace since I first told the story," the 32-year-old Boise, Idaho, business man-pilot sighed...

"This whole thing has gotten out of hand," Arnold went on. "I want to talk to the FBI or someone."

"Half the people I see look at me as a combination Einstein, Flash Gordon, and screwball. I wonder what my wife back in Idaho thinks."

WON'T CHANGE MIND

But all the hoopla and hysterics haven't caused Arnold to change his mind or back down. He doesn't care if the experts laugh him off. He said most of his aviator friends tell him that what he saw were probably either one of two things: new planes or guided missiles still in the United States Army air forces' secret category. Some theorized they were experimental equipment of another nation, probably Russia.

"Most people," he said, "tell me I'm right."   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:27:13 pm


July 4 1947 - Portland, OR - 1:10 P.M. PST

Detroit, Michigan, Free Press 7/5/47
Cleveland, Ohio, Press 7/5/47
The (Portland) Oregonian 7/5/47


Portland Police See Discs Sail


Two Portland policemen in car 82 near Oaks Amusement Park, Walter A. Lissy and Andrew Fox, who were both civilian pilots and WWII veterans, reported six or seven "flat, round discs.

They were flying at terrific speed in a straight-line formation" headed south within 30 seconds of one another.

Lissy said they zig-zagged and made turns so sharp that he knew they could not be aircraft.

It was hard to follow their behavior exactly because of the great height, their gleaming surface and their nature."

Each of the objects headed east over the park at great height estimated as high as 40,000 feet. No engine noises or vapor trails were noted, but they did see "flashes" of light.

The last disc "fluttered rapidly to the side in an arc" and they all appeared white against the clear blue sky.

Another patrolman reporting to headquarters was Patrolman Earl Patterson, in Car 13, who was approximately three miles from Lissy, in the southern suburbs at Southeast 82nd Avenue and Foster Road.

He said he had seen a single disc come out of the west, going at "terrific speed" at an estimated 30,000 feet.

The disc was aluminum-colored, or "egg-shell white," and did not appear to reflect the sunlight. It passed under the sun and, without decelerating, made an abrupt 90-degree turn "with no difficulty" and proceeded toward the southwest.

Because of its strange behavior, Patterson, a former Army Air Corps pilot, was of the opinion that the object could not have been a plane.

At the same time, Patrolman Kenneth A. McDowell (Case 231), feeding the pigeons in the parking lot behind Precinct House No. 1, said that he noticed the pigeons "become quite excited over something." Looking up, he saw five large, disc-shaped objects dipping up and down in an oscillating fashion.

They disappeared quickly, at great speed, two going south and the remaining three going east. McDowell hurried into the station to report what he'd seen. At 1:05 p.m. Dick Haller, Police Radio Officer at headquarters, sent out an all-car alert to all patrolmen to report any aerial objects seen over Portland. The response was almost immediate.

Across the Columbia River, at Vancouver, Washington, Clark County Sheriff's Deputies Fred Krives, Clarence McKay, and John Sullivan, having heard the alert, went outside to check. They reported seeing 20 to 30 disc-like objects streaking over toward the southwest, directly above the Court House.

They were "dark, not flashy," and were reported to have looked like "a bunch of geese." They were flying in a single line, Krives said, "strung out in what appeared to be evenly-spaced intervals.He was emphatic in saying these objects could not have been regular aircraft.

The objects were breaking formation as they flew southward, "peeling off to the side" over Portland, about three to five miles away, deploying to the south and west. The witnesses described hearing a "low humming sound," or "drone," as the objects flew over.

Almost simultaneously, sightings were made by Harbor Patrolmen at the Irving Street headquarters in Portland.

Captain K. A. Prehn, Pilot A. T. Austad, and Patrolman K. C. Hoff said they saw three to six disc-like objects, resembling "chromium hub-caps, shining and flashing in the sun," going south at an estimated altitude of 10,000 feet.

They appeared to wobble and oscillate as they flew, "turning and weaving," so that at times a full disc was seen, and at others only a "crescent," making it difficult to be certain how many there were. They were flying at "terrific speeds".


Numerous Portland citizens also reported sightings. At 2:00 P.M. "metallic discs glinting in the sunlight" were seen across the Williamette River near the Rose Island bridge.

Picnickers and a woman pilot saw silvery "spinning discs."

One woman at 4:30 P.M. described viewing an object like "a new dime flipping around" over the Sandy District.

Two white or silver objects flew over Portland at 4:58 P.M. heading southeast, and a third passed over at 5:30 P.M.

KOIN radio station employee, Frank Cooley, a former Marine Corps observer, confirmed numerous disc sightings around Portland throughout the day.

Cooley, as stated, saw a formation of twelve discs himself as high as 20,000 feet at 1:00 P.M.

He declared that they were "operated and maneuverable devices," indicating that the objects were larger than many believed.

He continued: "They plainly experienced maneuvers in the sky. . . At one time a number of the discs would get into formation and fly circles around another disc.

The last report on the disks received from points south of Seattle, just before the airborne "saucers" appeared over this city, came from Bow Lake where six disks zoomed in low at 2,000 feet.

"They seemed to flop over and over several times, then shot upward, flashed brightly, and disappeared against the background of a high overcast," said ex-P-38 pilot J.H. Oakley, 9422 45th Ave. S.W, a Boeing Field flight instructor.

Oakley reported they were going very fast...


July 4 1947 - Idaho

Chicago, Illinois, News, 7/5/47
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Sentinel, 7/6/47

...a private pilot flying over Idaho saw a similar disc speeding toward Oregon as a V-shaped object was spotted by ground observers in Troutland, Oregon.


July 4 1947 - Nevada

Boulder City (Nevada) Daily News 7/4/47
Elko, Nevada, Daily Free Press, 7/4/47.
Sacramento (California) Evening Bee, 7/5/47

Private pilot Raymond Harris also saw saucers over Nevada. From his 150 Voyager he and a friend observed five discs below them—so bright they were hard to look at. He turned his aircraft to give chase but could not intercept the saucers which were zipping off toward the southwest. After the incident he described the objects to his father, a deputy sheriff, as circular and brilliant.


July 5 1947 - Auburn, California - 2:30 P.M. PST

Kjell Qvale, an automobile salesman in Alameda and a former Navy pilot for five years, reported that he and a group of 50 other witnesses had watched a triangular formation of disc-like objects near Auburn, flying south.

Qvale said that the discs, seen first directly overhead, 'appeared to be made of metal and looked like bright silver,' He added that their round outline was clearly distinguishable.

The objects were in view 'for three or four minutes,' he said. 'I have seen a lot of airplanes, and these were not airplanes.

The only clue I could get as to their height, size and speed was the fact that they disappeared one at a time, high in the sky, and not over the horizon.

This effect would be caused if they were very, very large and very high, and flying at a terrific speed—1,000 miles an hour,' he said."

Ted Bloecher - Report on the UFO Wave of 1947



Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:28:32 pm


July 4 1947 - Santa Monica, California -5:00 p.m. PST

Hollywood Citizen-News, 7/5
Los Angeles Herald-Express, 7/5
Los Angeles Examiner, 7/6
San Francisco Examiner (INS), 7/6
Cincinnati Times-Star (AP), 7/5
Chicago Herald-American (INS, Seattle), 7/5
Chicago Sunday Times, 7/6
Salt Lake City Deseret News (AP), 7/5
AP general ref in many papers for 7/5

Pilot Dan Whelan, and a companion, Duncan Underhill, had taken off from the Santa Monica Airport in a private plane, bound for San Diego. Twenty-five miles to the south, while flying at an altitude of 5,000 feet, they saw a disc-shaped object about 2,000 feet above them.

"It was traveling 400 to 500 miles an hour," Whelan said. "It was not spinning, but looked exactly like a skeet" (a rifle practice target).

Both he and Underhill estimated the disc was "about 40 to 50 feet in diameter." Whelan admitted to the press that the appearance of the object "scared me silly."



July 4, 1947 - Moscow, Idaho 10:30 a.m. PST
Milwaukee Sentinel, 7/6
Chicago News, 7/5

Irving C. Allen, Chief of Airports Operations and Management in the 7th Region for the Civil Aeronautics Administration, reported that he had spotted a "disc-like" object while flying southward from Coeur d'Alene to Lewiston, Idaho, in the vicinity of Moscow.

"The disc proceeded north across my plane's course from right to left and on a regular course. It was first spotted by my assistant manager, William Farrell, a passenger in the plane."

The pilot said the object was "remarkably white" and moved at a uniform altitude with a kind of "wavering" flight pattern. He estimated that it was "larger than the largest plane" as it crossed several miles in front of him as he was flying slightly east of Moscow.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:29:20 pm


July 5 1947 - Alton, New Hampshire - 4:26 p.m. EDT

Manchester Morning Union, 7/9
Boston Globe (Portsmouth, 7/8), 7/9

Thomas Dale, son of Governor Charles M. Dale, and a veteran of more than eight years of flying, was piloting a private plane from Laconia to Portsmouth. With him was a friend, Jere Stetson, of Newfields.

As they flew southwestward over Alton at an altitude of 2,800 feet, Dale and his companion saw a strange object about two miles away to the east and some 1,500 feet below their plane.

It was approaching the young men at an "excessive speed," and in 15 to 18 seconds it had veered to the north, out over Alton Bay and Lake Winnipesaukee, toward Moultenboro, where it was lost to view.

"I'm not saying it was a 'flying saucer,' or 'disc'," Dale told newspapermen later, "but whatever it was, it wasn't a conventional airplane."

He said that it did not "in any way, shape or manner" resemble any type of known aircraft.

The two described the object as "definitely of metal construction," about 20 feet long, and "not exactly round in shape."

Both Dale and Stetson said they "had never seen anything like it" in the air before, and added that its appearance left them both "flabbergasted."

Dale had been an ATC pilot during World War II and was thoroughly familiar with all types of conventional aircraft.


July 6 1947 - Pittsburgh, California

Veteran World War I pilot, Frank Tylman and his son, saw a disc shaped object while driving two miles west of Pittsburgh, California.

Tylman stated that "It was shooting toward Mount Diablo. . . It revolved in a counter-clockwise direction, as we viewed it."

Tylman estimated the height of the object at about 3,000 feet and definitely moving "faster than jet planes," although he did state that it approximated the size of a P-80 jet.

The object appeared "circular" and "it had a definite thickness, being curved outward on both upper and lower surfaces." He went on explaining that unlike an aircraft, it left no smoke or vapor nor made any sound that could have been heard above the noise of his own car and the wind.

The sighting lasted only 30 seconds as the disc soon disappeared into the southern horizon.

Ted Bloecher - Report on the UFO Wave of 1947


July 6 1947 - Ogden, Utah

An Army Air Force B-25 crew reported a similar sight during a flight from Ogden, Utah. It became one of the few incidents where a UFO was seen from above.

Their plane was 100 miles west of Kansas City, Missouri, at 10,000 feet when the pilot, Archie B. Browning, caught sight of a very bright object.

He described it as "shaped like the top of a water tank"—some 30 to 35 feet in diameter.

Weather conditions were clear with unlimited visibility when the disc first came into view ten miles ahead and below the left side of the B-25.

The UFO may have initially been hovering because as the pilot closed to within one or two miles, the disc began to parallel their eastward bound course and speed of 210 miles per hour.

Browning turned toward the strange craft, which was climbing to 11,000 feet. Yet, just at that moment, it accelerated off at great speed and virtually disappeared.


Research conducted by Jan L. Aldrich


July 6 1947 - Over Colorado and Kansas - 2:30 to 3:00 P.M. MST

Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Daily Enterprise, 7/1/47


John Phillips, Jr., of Phillips Petroleum aviation department and Henry Barbarick, company pilot, were flying at 10,000 to 12,000 feet. "Phillips who was piloting the plane saw the first 'flying saucer.'

He yelled to Barbarick who was reading maps, but Barbarick said the 'saucer' went by so fast that he was unable to see it.

A few minutes later Phillips saw another one of the strange flying objects which he said looked like a large 'hangar door' on the horizon but again Barbarick was unable to catch sight of it.

A moment later another appeared in front of the plane and then shot up and over the plane, and this time Barbarick caught sight of the object. Phillips said that at least nine of the 'saucers' [appeared] in a space of fifteen minutes.

Both men said the discs were flying at such a tremendous rate of speed that they were unable to get a good look at them.

They tried unsuccessfully to clock them once when one flashed by.

Phillips turned the plane to get a better look at it, but it had disappeared by the time the plane came around.

Phillips said the discs varied in size of a small plane up to a large transport.

He said they looked saucer shaped with the front tilted up.

He said they were definitely made of metal, since they glistened like silver in the sun. They appeared to be revolving, he said.

Barbarick said that it gave you a feeling "like someone was shooting flak at you."   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:30:05 pm


July 6 1947 - Birmingham, Alabama - 8::55 P.M.

The (Portland) Oregonian, 7/7/47


At 8::55 P.M. CST Staff Sergeant Ira L. Livingston in Birmingham, Alabama, reported that he and his neighbor, Herman M. Sockwell, and others noticed a round object in the western sky heading south in an arched flight path.

After it passed, they observed six more, one at a time, traversing the same course. Livingston, who had 250 hours as a pilot and aerial gunner, estimated that the objects were traveling 500 to 600 miles per hour at around 2,000 feet with a dim glow.



July 7 1947 - Koshkonong, Wisconsin

Flight instructor, Kenneth Jones, and his student in a private aircraft at 800 feet spotted a "saucer" near Koshkonong, Wisconsin. It descended from the clouds vertically and edgewise until stopping to hover at 4,000 feet.

The craft then took off at a speed estimated at 6,000 miles per hour—calculated by the 25 mile distance the object covered between Koshkonong to Elkhorn in fifteen seconds.

At the end of its speedy run the object suddenly stopped and hovered, then disappeared in the distance.

At 2:30 P.M another set of airborne witnesses reported a saucer near East Troy, Wisconsin.

Pilot Wing Supply Officer Captain R.J. Southey (Burlington Civil Air Patrol) and a passenger, Clem Hackworthy, were at 3,500 feet when they saw a flying disc below them at 2,500 feet.

It then covered the 22 mile distance between Eagle to Muskego in twenty seconds, placing its speed at 3,960 miles per hour.

(Declassified FBI files and Fourth Air Force Files, "microfilm record 33764-1036," US Air Force Historical Agency, Maxwell AFB, Montgomery, Alabama.)


July 7 1947 - San Antonio, Texas

Austin, Texas, American, 7/8/47


In Air, On Ground, They're Everywhere

Sergeant C.F. Clifton, Bergstrom Field aerial radioman reported seeing one of the flying saucers bound toward San Antonio as his plane was leaving there. Other members of the crew also saw the disc.

"I think it was about 18 feet in diameter and looked as though it was made of glass," Sgt. Clifton said. "It was extremely bright and kept flashing."

Sgt Clifton said that the crew figured that it must have been flying 1,440 miles an hour because it overtook and passed their plane in such a short time.

It was round and was flying at a slightly tilted angle. "The disc seemed to be spinning as it flew," Sgt. Clifton reported.

"It blurred radio reception slightly." Lieutenant Charles O. Anderson was piloting the plane which the disc passed about 4:30 p.m.


July 7, 1947 - Elkhorn, Wisconsin: - 11:30 a.m. CST

Wisconsin State Journal, 7/8
Milwaukee Sentinel, 7/9
Milwaukee Journal, 7/8


Kenneth Jones, a pilot and flight instructor with the Elkhorn Air Service, reported that while he was practicing take-offs and landings with a flight student, he saw a "white ball" moving along at an altitude of about 3,000 feet.


July 7 1947 - Shreveport, Louisiana - Morning.

Military aircraft pilot Harston saw a bright silver object about the angular size of the moon.

Project 1947 - McDonald list


July 7 1947 - Eagle, Wisconsin - 2:00 p.m. CST

Wisconsin State Journal 7/8/47


Captain R. J. Southey, a pilot living in Burlington, heard of the sighting made earlier the same day by Jones, and with Clem Hackworthy, a friend, took a private plane aloft to "look around."

At 2:00 p.m. CST, the two men saw a fast-moving, "silver thing," flying southeast over Eagle. They tried to photograph it, but the object quickly disappeared, and suddenly reappeared approximately ten miles away from the pilots.


July 7 1947 - Lubbock, Texas

Lubbock Evening Journal, Texas - 7/7/47


Former Pilot Sees "Saucers" Sunday

Three More Lubbock Persons Report Seeing "Flying Discs"

At least three more Lubbock residents were added to the roll of "flying disc" witnesses today after Jim Purdy, 1512 Ave. Q, Mrs. Mattie McBroom, 1708 Ave. F, and Dr. L.B. Cooper, 2024 Seventeenth, reported sighting the mysterious "saucers."

Purdy, Lubbock grocery store manager and former Royal Air force and U.S. Army Air force pilot, sighted a silvery, disc-shaped object about 1,000 feet above the city at 1:30 o'clock Sunday afternoon.

It was moving in a slow, tumbling flight that exposed a bright side and dull side, he said, and the object did not have any of the characteristics of a plane.

After about 20 seconds the disc began moving rapidly in a straight line toward the northeast, and disappeared in the distance.

Purdy emphasized, however, that he felt sure there was some logical explanation for the object, and that he discounted any "supernatural or crackpot" theories.

Mrs. McBroom reported having seen seven small bright objects traveling from the northeast toward the southwest over Lubbock between 9 and 10 a.m. June 10.

She described the discs as appearing to be about 6 or 10 inches in diameter, almost round and as moving "very fast" along an erratic course despite an absence of wind.

They were "almost as bright as the sun," she declared, adding "this is no pipedream."

A leading object was trailed by the others in groups of two and four, she reported.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:30:46 pm


July 7 1947 - San Mateo, California

San Mateo Times, California - 7/7/47

Flying Discs Seen Twice in San Mateo
Woman, Son In San Carlos See 30 In Sky

The "flying saucers" which have turned the heads of the American people skyward for the past weeks came to San Mateo county twice over the week-end, at least that is what a Palo Alto amateur pilot, his wife, and a San Carlos mother and son reported to local officials today.

Mr. and Mrs. Augustin Fernandez, 1566-A Cowper street, Palo Alto, reported to Sergt. Alton Schramm of the California highway patrol Saturday night.

Fernandez said that he and his wife were riding northward on Middlefield road just south of Redwood City when he saw a disc-like object flying overhead in a direction approximately from Santa Cruz to Oakland.

Fast Moving

The object, Fernandez said, seemed to be about four times as fast as a commercial airliner and went out of sight in the haze of the east bay hills.

The pilot described the "thing" as saucer shaped and shining. As the "saucer" started across the bay, he said, it appeared to be an oval shape with a tail assembly and was flying at about 7000 feet.

Fernandez, a Venezuelan student at Stanford, has spent many years in the air. He said the object was clearly visible and easily overtook a DC-3 transport and C-4 which were headed for Mills field.

30 in Group

In San Carlos, Mrs. Marie Maranta, 819 Cedar street, and her son, Stanley Miramon, reported seeing 30 of the discs flying in a "tight formation" at about 2000 feet over the Mills field approach near the San Mateo airport this morning.

Mrs. Maranta said that her son, aged 14, who was in the front yard, called her to come out and look at the "flying saucers." She said that the objects were clearly visible and seemed to be the size of an automobile. "They disappeared," she said, "but a few moments later they again became clearly visible."

Seen by Gardener

She stated that the gardener at the San Carlos school, who was at work near by at the time, stated that he had been watching them for several minutes before the boy had discovered them.

A two-engine transport plane was in the same general area, Mrs. Maranta said, and it appeared that the pilot saw the "things" and headed for them.

Shortly after the report, tower operators at Mills field said their telephones were jammed by calls from newspapers and others asking if any of the pilots had reported the "saucers." So far the tower operators reported no pilots flying into Mills field have reported anything unusual. "They are under orders to do so," the tower stated.

Meanwhile, radar devices at Moffett field continue to report nothing unusual on their scopes.


July 8 1947 - Tucson, Arizona

Flagstaff Daily Sun, Arizona - 7/8/47


Arizonans See Flying Saucers In Backyards
Southwest Skies Crowded By Disks

(By The Associated Press)

Saucers, discs and what-have-you are zipping through Arizona's skies in amazing numbers, according to a host of persons who profess to have seen the weird contraptions.

John W. Phillips, Nogales contractor, and his assistant, William Barker, reported they observed a disc "flying high and fast in a southwesterly direction as if toward the Gulf of Lower California" about 9:45 a.m. today.

Three patients at the Veterans Hospital at Tucson said they saw a flying saucer at 4:50 p.m. yesterday. Lewis Zesper, a former Army pilot, described it as oval shaped, about 25 feet in diameter, light metallic grey in color and wobbly in flight.

He estimated its altitude at 4,000 feet and its speed as in excess of that of conventional jet planes.

George B. Wilcox of Warren, a retired Army major, reported he observed eight or nine discs June 27.

"As they came," he said, "I saw they were perfectly spaced one behind the other and traveling at terrific speed.

They passed over in intervals of three seconds. They were all the same size. They would flash and then disappear with the speed of lightning."   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:31:47 pm



July 8 1947 - Muroc AFB

At 3:50 P.M., 40 miles south of Muroc, a P-51 pilot at 20,000 feet spotted a wingless, tailless "flat object of light-reflecting nature."

He twice attempted an intercept but could not climb high enough. Intelligence later took great note of that incident because they determined that no military or civilian aircraft were in the area.

(Edward J. Ruppelt's personal papers, File R104 and R105, courtesy of Professor Michael Swords.)

That night at 9:20 P.M. spherical objects were again seen in the area, this time at 8,000 feet still moving against the wind at around 300 miles per hour.

This was reminiscent of a sighting just the day before at 10:10 A.M. when Muroc test pilot Major J.C. Wise, while preparing his XP-84 aircraft for takeoff, observed one yellowish-white spherical object traveling at 200 to 225 miles per hour at 10,000 feet. It headed east with an oscillating motion.


(Ibid.; and Project Blue Book Files, Roll No. 1, Case 44, listed as Incident 3 in 1947 era documents.)



July 8, 1947 - Muroc Air Base - California: 11:50 a.m.


The third Muroc sighting took place just before noon. A group of officers and technicians were assembled in Area Two at Rogers Dry Lake, east of Muroc, watching several aircraft prepare to carry out a seat-ejection experiment. As they watched their attentions were drawn to a peculiar object in the north.

Major Richard R. Shoop, of the Office of Technical Engineering at Muroc, reported later that his attention was called to the object by Colonel Signa A. Gilkey, another observer. In his report, Major Shoop said the thin, metallic object he saw was moving in a northerly direction at a distance he estimated to be from five to eight miles off.

It was seen first high up, moving slowly in an oscillating fashion, and appeared to be about the size of a pursuit plane. It was then seen descending almost to the ground, but rose slightly before it was lost to view in the distance toward the mountains in the northwest. The object was of a shiny, aluminum color and its speed was slow, only about three times the rate of descent of the test parachute from the seat ejection experiment, which took place a short time after the object was first seen. Shoop said the observation lasted about eight minutes.

Another witness, test pilot Captain John Paul Stapp, said that at 11:50 a.m., he saw a silvery object, resembling "a parachute canopy" when first observed, traveling somewhat north of due west. As the object slowly descended, presenting a lateral view, it gradually changed its shape from hemispheric to oval, and two "knobs" or "fins" appeared at the top, crossing each other slowly and giving the impression of a slow rotation, or oscillation. It seemed to be flying more slowly than a conventional aircraft as it descended from an estimated altitude of 20,000 feet.

Its diameter appeared to be approximately 50 feet. It descended toward the mountaintops to the northwest and was lost to view after approximately 90 seconds. No sound was heard. No vapor trails were seen, nor any visible means of propulsion.

Following a talk Dr. McDonald gave in Las Vegas, Nevada, in May, 1967, a man came up to him and said he knew one of the witnesses who had been involved in the Muroc sightings in 1947. He identified the witness as Oliver Earl Cooper. In August, Dr. McDonald was able to get in touch with Cooper, and it appears that Earl Cooper was the fourth observer referred to in the final sighting at Muroc on July 8, 1947. (His name was not mentioned specifically in the Air Force files.)

As Cooper recalled the incident for McDonald, he was with a group of four or five people on the west side of Rogers Dry Lake, near Area One (note discrepancy). They were at the east end of a 10,000-foot runway, looking east, with the runway to their backs. He couldn't recall what test was being carried out, but thought it was a fuel test involving the XP-84. He recalled that a pilot had been one of the group (Stapp).

It was a hot, clear day. The object was first seen at about 20 to 25 degrees elevation to the east. According to Cooper's recollection, 20 years later, it was moving in a generally southerly direction -- possibly east southeast (approximately 180 degrees off from the directions listed in the contemporary report). He stated that everyone had looked up, but, that no one would say anything about it until it was noticed that the others were also observing it.

He told McDonald that as the object moved south it stopped, then moved again before it disappeared. It moved in a horizontal path and Cooper recalled no irregularity of motion. He described the speed as not terribly fast -- his impression was perhaps ten miles an hour. He had a vague recollection of its moving a bit from side to side at times, but not fluttering -- just veering somewhat sinuously. He estimated he watched it for four or five minutes.

He described the shape of the object as elliptical, somewhat rounded; its color was off-white, with no glinting from the sun. The altitude was approximately 10,000 feet. Toward the end of the sighting he recalled the object as having accelerated somewhat before disappearing. He did not recall any other reports from Muroc that day, but he may have never had occasion to hear of them.

He said that all of his group were asked to make statements on the sighting later.

He did not recall the seat-ejection experiment, although his recollection about this point twenty years later can be expected to he vague, as well as for other finer details.

He told McDonald that later the sighting was explained to them as possibly a weather balloon. They were told that it changed apparent size because of "atmospheric conditions." Apparently no explanation was given for the balloons to have been able to fly into the face of the wind.

(Source: Ted Bloecher - REPORT ON THE UFO WAVE OF 1947)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:32:25 pm


July 8 1947 - Avalon, California - 1:00 P.M. PST

Los Angeles Examiner, California 7/9/47


Several hundred witnesses on Santa Catalina Island off Long Beach observed a formation of "saucers."

Most observers agreed that there were six disc-shaped objects in the formation which passed over the island.

Among those were Army Air Corps veterans Bob Jung, Kenneth Johnson, and Alvio Russo.

Jung actually got a photo of the objects as did Alvio Russo. Russo, who had piloted 35 combat missions over Europe, estimated their speed at 850 miles per hour.

Jung clarified the details by stating that they were flying in two elements of three each about as fast as a Navy Tiny Tim rocket. He said the formation came in from the northeast and disappeared over the hills to the south of Avalon Bay.


July 8 1947 - Norfolk, Virginia

Norfolk Ledger-Dispatch, Virginia 7/8/47


Lt. Cmdr. L.D. Patterson of the Naval Station reported five yellowish discs like the moon, flying in formation over the Air Station from the West. Patterson said the formation was surrounded by a mist, and the bodies each left trails.

Walter Hurst who telephoned the Ledger-Dispatch for Patterson, said that Patterson, a pilot of considerable time in the air, was unable to establish the altitude having no point for calculation.


July 8 1947 Dishman, Washington - Afternoon

Spokane Daily Chronicle, Washington 7/10/47


A young war veteran and student pilot said he had spotted a "flying disc" from his plane as he was flying at a 500-foot altitude in the Mount Spokane area during the afternoon.

The pilot, James Davidson, a Spokane Naval Supply Depot employee, said "It was not flying fast. It appeared to be the size of a wagon wheel."

The side of the disc exposed to the sun was shiny. It looked like it had a hole in the center," he added.

He reported that he had tried to take a photograph of the object. The negatives, however, "did not reproduce well."

He said he hadn't believed reports of flying discs at first, "but I do now."


July 8 1947 - Olympic Mountains, Washington 9:00 a.m. PST

Seattle Post-Intelligencer (Washington) 7/9/47

Pilot Chet Pro was flying a seaplane over Puget Sound off Ballard when he saw "two or three" disc-like objects to the west, over the Olympic Mountains... he described the objects as "flying high and going very fast."   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:33:21 pm


July 9 1947 - Glacier Park, Montana 3:53 P.M. MST

Flathead Monitor (Montana) 7/10/47


-Kalispell Pilots Sight 'Flying Saucers-

Two men flying over Glacier Park spotted seven flying saucers heading in a northwesterly direction. The two men, Ed Johnson and Joe Dimio, noted that the craft were only visible for a short period—indicating they traveled at a fairly fast rate.


July 12 1947 - Utah Lake, Utah 2:30 p.m. PST

Pilot Earl Page, was flying from Las Vegas, Nevada, to Salt Lake City with his wife Beulah and their son Ron. When they were over Lake Utah, flying north, they saw "six or eight objects coming towards us and slightly to our right. They were at the same altitude as we.

I did not notice them until we were practically to them. As they passed I banked the plane sharply and flew after them for a few minutes, during which time they left us as if we were standing still... They were silver-white, oval top and bottom, much like two saucers face to face.

They were closely spaced. They fluttered as a group for a second or two and then stabilized for a second or two, alternately between these two modes."

APRO Bulletin, May, 1962, p. 5


July 13 1947 - Wingville, Oregon 7:00 P.M. PST

Baker Record-Courier (Oregon) 7/17/47

A round object flying over Baker Valley with a "dipping motion" was seen by many witnesses and several aircraft pilots who tried in vain to pursue it.


July 28 1947 - Boise, Idaho

Las Cruces Sun-News 7/29/47

-Airlines Pilot, Reporting New Flying Disc, Wants Them Kept Off Airways-


BOISE, Idaho, (AP) -- It's flying disc time again in Idaho and the United Air Lines pilot who spotted the latest one says "they ought to be kept off the civil airways."

Capt. Charles P. Gibian, who while coming in to Boise for a landing last night reported spotting a disc-like object "going like hell" at about 9,000 feet, told the Boise Statesman:

"If it is real it must be some sort of military experiment and if that is the case they ought to arrange to keep the objects off the civil airways."

Army and Navy spokesmen have denied knowledge of the discs.

Gibian, who talked to the Idaho Statesman by telephone from Pendleton, Ore., became the second United pilot on flight 105 to report seeing the flying object.

His predecessor was Capt. E. J. Smith who said he spotted two groups of discs July 4, near Emmett, Idaho.

Smith's story came during the climax of the flying discs reports, which started in late June in the state of Washington.

During early July there were few states in the nation without at least one report of a disc and persons in numerous other countries, including Japan, also said they sighted the objects.

Gibian's disc -- or whatever -- was the first reported since word of the objects tapered off about two weeks ago.

The pilot said his first officer, Jack Harvey, also saw the object last night.

They say they saw a round, flat object in the sky west of Mountain Home, a village 45 miles east of here.

Gibian said if the object was 40 miles or so distant from the airliner, it was as big as an airplane.


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:33:59 pm


July 29 1947 - USAF file - Hamilton Air Base, California - 2:50 p.m. PDT


Assistant Base Operations Officer, Capt. William Rhyerd, and LieutenantWard Steward, an ex-B-29 pilot, watched as two round, shiny white objects with estimated 15-25 foot diameters, flew three to foure times the apparent speed of a P-80 jet fighter also in sight, coming in on a preliminary landing approach.

The P-80 flew in excess of 250 miles per hour as the unknowns proceeded to pass by the jet "as if it was standing still."

One object flew straight and level, a second object then appeared, flying a left to right "protective" maneuver from side-to-side like an escort fighter over the first craft until they each passed southward toward Oakland, and then out over the ocean.

The duration of their sighting lasted about fifteen seconds as the craft sped by in a clear sky. No noise could be detected.

Lieutenant Stewart piloted B-29 bombers during the war and had considerable experience as a flyer. He conveyed authority to Intelligence officers when questioned, stating that the objects were "unlike any conventional type of aircraft he had ever seen."


August 4 1947 - USAF file - Bethel, Alaska - dusk

DC-3 Captain Jack Peck and copilot Vince Daly sighted a black saucer-shaped object cross their flight path. It had come in at a right angle to their aircraft and Peck instinctively made a precautionary climb from 1,000 to 1,200 feet to avoid any chance of collision.

He then swung in behind the disc and chased the peculiar looking craft as it became silhouetted against a brilliant evening sky.

Peck pursued at 170 miles per hour until losing sight of it four minutes later. They noted that the disc had a smooth streamlined surface with no visible means of propulsion. The speed of the object was subsequently computed at 510 miles per hour.


August 18 1947 - Mountain Home, Idaho - 12:00 p.m.

Boise Statesman (Idaho) 8/20/47

Two silver round flat disc-shaped objects, looking like "skeet targets", passed beneath United Airlines Flight 147 flying at 8,000 feet near Mountain Home Army Air Base, Idaho.

The objects flew off to the south, at a speed estimated at 900 miles per hour by pilot and copilot.


12 September 1947 - USAF Files - Midway Island - 1:00 A.M. local time

A Pan American flight eastbound from Midway Island to Cahu.

Just after passing Necher Island, the crew spotted an intense incandescent white light off the starboard side of their aircraft. At first the pilot thought it might be the navigation lights of another plane, but it was far too bright for that.

The flight crew tracked the unknown object and determined it held a true course of 350 degrees while holding at a steady altitude of 9,500 feet. The captain estimated its distance from their aircraft at five miles.

But just as he took the plane off automatic pilot, the light approached within one mile, then it quickly veered off to a course of 190 degrees at which time the light split into two parts.

The two separate orbs then changed to a less bright reddish hue and flew in a side-to-side formation until zooming out of sight at tremendous speed (in six seconds), estimated at over 1,000 miles per hour.   


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:35:35 pm


July 23 1947 - Morristown, New Jersey

John H. Janssen stated "While my eyes played over the horizon, I became aware of a shaft of light that seemed like that of a photographer's flash bulb. It came from aloft, very high up. It was above that position over my plane's nose that flier's call 11 O'clock.

At first I thought it was merely the reflected sun bouncing off the sides of an exceedingly high flying aircraft. I gave it no more thought.

But then the engine of my own plane began to perform peculiarly. It coughed and sputtered spasmodically.

So I pulled on the carburetor heat and gave it full throttle hoping to thaw any ice that might be accumulating in the carburetor. The engine emitted one final wheezing cough and then quit.

Now, the nose of my plane, instead of dropping to a normal glide, remained... rigid... fixed on the horizon, in its normal level flight attitude.

Abruptly, I became aware that my plane was now defying the basic law of gravity.

I became frightened and close to panic at so weird a predicament. I saw that the airspeed indicator was at zero!

There was now an odd prickling, electric-like sensation coursing through my body.

I had an eerie feeling that I was being watched and examined by something that minutely studied my features, my clothing, and my airplane... I flicked a cold bead of perspiration from my eye. Then I saw it!

Above and slightly beyond my left wing tip was a strange wraith-like craft, one of the flying objects!

Its flanged and protecting rim was dotted on either side with steamer-like portholes.

It seemed to radiate a dull metallic hue that conveyed an impression of natural strength, and a super-intelligence not of this planet. It was motionless.

Perhaps a quarter of a mile away... beyond, and slightly higher, I could see another (similar) object, seemingly fixed in the sky.

I assumed that the second strange ship was but waiting for the one nearest me to complete its examination.

Then I had the most unaccountable urge to reach up and snap on the magneto switch. I had turned it off when the engine quit. I switched both magnetos to the on position.

Slowly the propeller began to turn... then the engine burst into a steady rhythmic roar. The plane nosed up into a stall, dropped off, picked up airspeed and steadied under control," recalled Mr. Janssen.

"I really believe these craft to be operated by an intelligence far beyond that developed by we earth-bound mortals and (I) am inclined to agree with the theory that they are space craft from another planet... In all probability these are reconnaissance craft and as they have been seen all over the world and not only in this country, are probably making a thorough study of us and our terrain and atmosphere before making any overtures."

He went on to theorize on possible magnetic and anti­gravity methods of propulsion to explain the acceleration of the objects.


http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/morristown.htm (http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/morristown.htm)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 23, 2016, 05:36:51 pm


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Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: space otter on May 23, 2016, 07:25:02 pm



W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on May 23, 2016, 07:55:29 pm
I 2nd that SkySpace Otter !

A51 has been very busy !...

An amazing amount of material he has posted.

Upon reading the 1st post that you made on this thread ,back  from Nov 13th 2011...when you were told by Stanton Friedman about the sightings 2 weeks before the Roswell incident around July 8th 1947..You said that you went to the library to check out past old newspaper articles..

Are you still doing that now or do you have other ways that you obtain the material ?

If you are obtaining it from the library.. Are you then copying / writing some of it  out to post online ?

otherwise ..I am wondering HOW that you are managing to obtain the info and copy it to PRC ?




W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   8)


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Now let's take a look at a collection of Flying Disc reports made by pilots that year -


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A while back Stanton Friedman told me that Roswell was not the beginning, but actually the end of a period when Flying Discs (as they were called back then) were buzzing the entire United States continuously for an entire 2 weeks BEFORE Roswell.

He suggested I should go have a look through the newspaper microfiche archives in my area because the majority of these sightings were right in my area.

I did so and... he turned out to be 100% correct.

Every day front page headlines. I am attaching scans and text of those 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 24, 2016, 05:09:34 pm


W O W   51..

what are you writting a book or something ?

guess i'll be here awhile.. lots to read   8)


Well ya just never know what A51 might be up to!  ;)  8)

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 24, 2016, 06:21:29 pm
I 2nd that SkySpace Otter !

A51 has been very busy !...

An amazing amount of material he has posted.

Upon reading the 1st post that you made on this thread ,back  from Nov 13th 2011...when you were told by Stanton Friedman about the sightings 2 weeks before the Roswell incident around July 8th 1947..You said that you went to the library to check out past old newspaper articles..

Actually I remember that first visit to the library as if it were yesterday.

It was quite a shock to see so many local 'Flying Disc' reports in our daily newspapers, along with the realization that... I was the first person to see these reports in 50 years!

Portland Police See Discs Sail! ... are you kidding me??   :o

7 officers in different locations, a harbor master, entire downtown radio station staff, countless citizens and even the guy who played organ at the Oaks Amusement Park roller skating rink! LOL  ;D

I actually looked over my shoulder a few times to see if any MIB's were watching me.

This was ONE secret vault that they could not control my access too!!

They had remained buried and a secret for all this time, and here I was unearthing information that the government and military would prefer that you and I did not see.

The 3 different official explanations released by the military over the years in regards to what really happened at Roswell, becomes exponentially more doubtful and ridiculous in light of the hurricane of sighting reports surrounding Roswell, before and after.

And yes we have to type them up by hand from the copies we raid from the vaults.

This information would certainly have changed the conversation in my town between skeptics and believers regarding the reality of UFO's and of the Roswell case in particular.

In fact it has had that effect, in the years since my discovery, in conversations that do arise.




Are you still doing that now or do you have other ways that you obtain the material ?

If you are obtaining it from the library.. Are you then copying / writing some of it  out to post online ?

otherwise ..I am wondering HOW that you are managing to obtain the info and copy it to PRC ?

Yes to all of the above.

And as I mentioned previously and Sky alluded to, I am indeed preparing a book containing all the sightings in my database.

The trick has been in sorting the sightings into various categories of similar characteristics, many of which you see posted earlier in this thread.

This, to my eye appears to be the most effective and interesting way to view the hurricane.

The sheer volume of amazing sightings that year, with tons of corroboration for Kenneth Arnold's report as demonstrated by all the other Pilot sightings, and TS destination points indeed deserves a book of it's own to stand alongside the Roswell story. 

Anytime I have an occasion to visit a city where I have not had the pleasure of raiding their library for hidden treasure, I of course make it a point to do so.

The unique wonders to be found there are always a delight.

You see each newspaper runs both local and national stories.

The national ones are provided by AP and newspapers optionally run some AP stories (or shortened versions of them) if they find them of interest.

The local stories on the other hand are not shared nationally (unless AP picks them up).

So as researchers we have no access to them until someone physically goes to the library and discovers and makes a copy of them. That is why they are unique hidden gems.

Other ongoing sources for updating my database is newspapers that have gone digital, and also search phrases entered into search engines other than google.

But actually visiting a new library is like an Indiana Jones experience.  ;)  8)


Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: astr0144 on May 24, 2016, 07:32:26 pm
All very very interesting A51 in further ref to the Roswell story..

You may well be on a goldmine...

and it is amazing if such articles have hardly been made aware to the present generations..

It is no doubt quite a good experience and passion to visit many a library and  search for the information...but maybe annoying to have to write it all out !  :)


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Actually I remember that first visit to the library as if it were yesterday.

It was quite a shock to see so many local 'Flying Disc' reports in our daily newspapers, along with the realization that... I was the first person to see these reports in 50 years!

Portland Police See Discs Sail! ... are you kidding me??   :o

7 officers in different locations, a harbor master, entire downtown radio station staff, countless citizens and even the guy who played organ at the Oaks Amusement Park roller skating rink! LOL  ;D

I actually looked over my shoulder a few times to see if any MIB's were watching me.

This was ONE secret vault that they could not control my access too!!

They had remained buried and a secret for all this time, and here I was unearthing information that the government and military would prefer that you and I did not see.

The 3 different official explanations released by the military over the years in regards to what really happened at Roswell, becomes exponentially more doubtful and ridiculous in light of the hurricane of sighting reports surrounding Roswell, before and after.

And yes we have to type them up by hand from the copies we raid from the vaults.

This information would certainly have changed the conversation in my town between skeptics and believers regarding the reality of UFO's and of the Roswell case in particular.

In fact it has had that effect, in the years since my discovery, in conversations that do arise.

What you say may well be some real eye opener to your readers..and Its very good that you have been able to get such info and ideas and put them into action.

Its good also to read about all the experiences of the sightings and be able to have your regular mental excitement / adventures in searching for and thru the articles..

I have a mental block on at the moment with the meaning of AP ? Does it mean Air force personnel ? I assume that it does not refer to the only other wording that I can see in your reply with ref to AP (Amusement Park)  ;D


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Yes to all of the above.

And as I mentioned previously and Sky alluded to, I am indeed preparing a book containing all the sightings in my database.

The trick has been in sorting the sightings into various categories of similar characteristics, many of which you see posted earlier in this thread.

This, to my eye appears to be the most effective and interesting way to view the hurricane.

The sheer volume of amazing sightings that year, with tons of corroboration for Kenneth Arnold's report as demonstrated by all the other Pilot sightings, and TS destination points indeed deserves a book of it's own to stand alongside the Roswell story. 

Anytime I have an occasion to visit a city where I have not had the pleasure of raiding their library for hidden treasure, I of course make it a point to do so.

The unique wonders to be found there are always a delight.

You see each newspaper runs both local and national stories.

The national ones are provided by AP and newspapers optionally run some AP stories (or shortened versions of them) if they find them of interest.

The local stories on the other hand are not shared nationally (unless AP picks them up).

So as researchers we have no access to them until someone physically goes to the library and discovers and makes a copy of them. That is why they are unique hidden gems.

Other ongoing sources for updating my database is newspapers that have gone digital, and also search phrases entered into search engines other than google.

But actually visiting a new library is like an Indiana Jones experience.  ;)  8)
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on May 24, 2016, 07:53:21 pm

I have a mental block on at the moment with the meaning of AP ? Does it mean Air force personnel ? I assume that it does not refer to the only other wording that I can see in your reply with ref to AP (Amusement Park)  ;D

AP stands for Associated Press.

You will see the AP logo in the beginning of many of the clippings I have posted.

Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: zorgon on July 23, 2016, 02:46:19 am
Anyone seen this before?

[youtube]CLZAAN1ZG5g[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLZAAN1ZG5g
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: ArMaP on July 23, 2016, 05:16:58 am
It looked familiar, so after a little search I found that it's part of the Alien authopsy film.

(the video should start at 16:52)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukbzCC3cfQ?t=16m52s[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/pukbzCC3cfQ?t=16m52s
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: robomont on July 23, 2016, 06:50:34 pm
Anyone seen this before?

[youtube]CLZAAN1ZG5g[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLZAAN1ZG5g
i have,some numnut on tv said it was from a print of a xmas wrapping but it sure looks like laser etching and that photo came out before laser etching became a norm.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: robomont on July 24, 2016, 12:56:53 pm
did somebody think to take color vid and make b&w stills?to give it a woo factor?
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: Eighthman on July 24, 2016, 03:37:59 pm
I think the Alien Hieroglyphics say  "Hecho en Mexico".

http://exopolitics.org/navy-admiral-oversaw-29-spies-in-nazi-germany-started-us-secret-space-program/

I haven't seen any post about this - that Wiiliam Tompkins guy provides some documentation of his work. Mentions a Rear Admiral named Rico Botta.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: robomont on July 25, 2016, 05:25:28 pm
so eighthman,are you wilcox?
the circle of ufo guys seems to shrink.i like the link.
where do you build a mile long craft and hide it from the ruskies?
my guess is you change the plans and build tr3bs in canada.or maybe thats where the mile long craft were built.
ive seen tr plans and they are feasible.plus lots of i witnesses and patents to back it up.
but that ukraine gold ship could be one.it was really big.what gets me is gold is garbage,what purpose is it needed for by an advanced civilization?

if its true there are civilizations,are they free are enslaved?
maybe we should free them.
just thoughts off the top of my head.
Title: Re: The Day Before Roswell
Post by: A51Watcher on August 21, 2016, 06:27:46 pm


Interesting timeline of events just after The Roswell crash -


"July 3, 1947. The Army Air Force states, “If some foreign power is sending flying disks over the United States, it is our responsibility to know about it and take proper action.”


July 4. The press reports that military facilities along the West Coast of the United States have fighters on standby in case the “disks” returned.


July 5. Pentagon Army Air Force Captain Tom Brown tells Major Donald Keyhoe, USMC, “We just can’t ignore it.

There are too many reliable pilots telling the same story—flat, round objects able to outmaneuver ordinary planes, and faster than anything we have.”

Brown confirms that military facilities were on alert to investigate the appearance of the flying disks.

Another source tells Keyhoe that some commanders had been given orders to “shoot the unknowns down” if possible.


July 6. An Army Air Force representative states, “We still haven’t the slightest idea what they could be. However, we don’t believe anyone in this country, or outside of this country, has developed a guided missile.…”

Rancher W.W. Brazel, outside of Roswell, New Mexico, reports a crash of a flying saucer.

Army intelligence officers are sent to investigate.

Major General Clements McMullen, deputy commander/chief of Staff of the Strategic Air Command, orders some of the wreckage to be flown immediately to Washington.


July 7. New Mexico Senior Senator Carl Hatche requests an emergency meeting with President Truman.

General Hoyt F. Vandenberg, chief of staff of the Army Air Force, has his entire day occupied by phone calls and meetings about the arrival of the disks.

Lt. General Nathan Twining, commander of the Air Materiel Command (AMC) headquartered at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio, unexpectedly flies to New Mexico.
He remains there for the next five days. Wright Field admits to investigating reports of disks seen in the Pacific Northwest and in Texas.


July 8. Army Air Force intelligence is a flurry of activity because of military sightings in California.

The chief of the Requirements Intelligence Branch of Army Air Force Intelligence, Brigadier General George F. Schulgen, brings one of the F-51 pilots from Muroc who saw a “flat, light-reflecting object” at high altitude near Mount Baldy to the Pentagon for interrogation.

A special meeting is called at the Pentagon by Vandenberg of the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD), chaired by electrical engineer and initiator of the Manhattan Project, Dr. Vannevar Bush.

Immediately after the meeting, the Pentagon issues a press release stating that the “flying saucers definitely were not spaceships.”

The Army publicly announces, in a press release by RAAF Public Information Officer Walter Haut, their recovery of an actual “flying disk” on a ranch outside of Roswell, New Mexico.

The Air Force also reveals it was checking out a report from C.T. Zohm, a Navy rocket engineer who, in the company of three other scientists, was on a secret mission in New Mexico when they observed a silvery, bright disk at low altitude moving northward across open desert.

Later that afternoon, the FBI is informed that the disk brought to Fort Worth AAF from Roswell was suspended by a balloon and was sent, after transfer to the Eighth Air Force in Fort Worth, Texas, to Wright Field for analysis.

The FBI states, “Disc and balloon being transported to Wright Field by special plane for examination. Information provided this office because of national interest in case and fact that National Broadcasting Company, Associated Press, and others attempting to break story of location of disc today.

Major Kirton [Headquarters, 8th Air Force] advised would request Wright Field to advise Cincinnati Office results of examination.”

From Washington, the intelligence division of the War Department sends out the order that all of their field agents should “suggest saucers are radar targets for weather observation purposes.”

Meanwhile, back in Roswell, rumors escalate that aliens were invading their community and were out in the street.

Rancher Brazel, who first discovered the strange debris, is abducted by the military and kept in custody for the next five days.


July 9. General Schulgen calls the FBI and urgently requests their cooperation in solving the problem of the flying disks.

At 10:30 a.m., Lt. General James Doolittle, former Commander of the Eighth Air Force, and General Vandenberg meet with Secretary of War for Air, Stuart Symington.

Major General Leslie Groves, head of the Armed Forces Special (Atomic) Weapons Project, and General Robert Montague, commander, Army Guided Missile School, meet with Lt. General Curtis LeMay, deputy chief of Air Staff for Research and Development at the Pentagon.

Doolittle had investigated the 1946 ghost rocket phenomenon for Vandenberg and allegedly informed President Harry S. Truman that the objects were “most likely of unknown origin.” Vandenberg will join the meeting in progress.

At 10:50, Doolittle, Vandenberg, and Symington meet in the office of General Dwight D. Eisenhower, the chief of staff of the Army. Major General Lauris Norstad, director of the Plans and Operations Division of the War Department, is also present.

At 11:58, Vandenberg calls President Truman.

At 12:15 p.m., Doolittle and Vandenberg meet with the president.

At 12:50, Vandenberg and Symington meet with the Joint Chiefs.

At 2:20, Vandenberg and Symington meet again.

At 2:40, Secretary of War Robert Patterson meets with Groves and Montague.

New Mexico Senator Carl Hatche has an unscheduled private meeting with President Truman that same afternoon.

At 4:15, Vandenberg meets with Major General Emmett O’Donnell, director of information, Army Air Force Public Relations.

The year before, O’Donnell was the deputy chief of engineering of the Army Technical Services Command, which would become the AMC.

Elsewhere around the nation, banner headlines fill the morning and afternoon edition newspapers explaining away all the excitement in the sleepy southwestern town of Roswell.

The country breathes a sigh of relief; it is merely a weather balloon device.
However, some are not buying it.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal, along with dozens of other newspapers, carries a United Press story: “Reports of flying saucers whizzing through the sky fell off sharply today as the Army and the Navy began a concentrated campaign to stop the rumors.”

The story went on to describe that AAF headquarters in Washington “delivered a blistering rebuke to officers at Roswell.”

In reality, the latter never occurred.

The Washington Post reported, “At first they gave the bare details of the finding of the object, then they clamped down a security lid on any further information on the grounds that it was high-level stuff.”

The Roswell Daily Record added, “The Army isn’t telling its secrets yet, from all appearances when this was written.”

During the next week, however, an inconsistent reaction on the part of the government began to develop.

Something had happened to send officials into cover-up mode, and every effort was being made to play down the situation.

On its face, this was totally inconsistent with the responsibility of the U.S. military to defend the country from the air in the case of unknown objects reported in the sky.

The Pentagon was forced to admit that they did not have full radar coverage of the continental United States.

All the more reason for pilots throughout the nation to be on 24-hour alert during this alarming situation.

Unofficially, numerous pilots confirmed that they were ordered to bring down the disks if humanly possible.


July 10. U.S. government intelligence feigns disinterest in the phenomena.

President Truman holds a news conference, during which he is asked about the flying disks.

He says they reminded him of the notorious Moon Hoax of 1835, when a writer for the New York Sun published a series of articles about the discovery of people on the moon by astronomer Sir John Hershel.

The articles were written as a satire.

Brigadier General Roger Ramey, commander of the Eighth Air Force, who had just identified the Roswell disk at a press conference in Fort Worth, gives a radio interview in El Paso, Texas.

When the radio announcer asks about all of the other flying disk reports throughout the country, Ramey jokes that that was true, except for Kansas, “which is a dry state.”


From "INSIDE THE REAL AREA 51 - The Secret History of Wright-Patterson"  Carey/Schmitt