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Title: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 14, 2015, 03:46:18 pm
Hello everyone ... and Seasons Greetings to All :)

A long time ago in a galaxy (not) far away, I happened to find a NASA image mystery that was presented in an old UFO documentary and was never able to find an explanation on my own so I thought I'd post this and share it with anyone that might be interested.

The imagery in question is from the Apollo 12 mission and during the Transearth-Phase (the return trip), allegedly the crew took a picture(s?) showing the Moons reflection on the Earth .... and apparently some people thought it might be a UFO.

I had never heard about this until I saw the video documentary called  "The Case of the UFOs"

For anyone that hasn't seen it and wants to watch the entire video, here's a search link - https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Case+of+the+UFOs+1982


To save time, I have the relevant clip here which has the story and shows the image ...

Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly

Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N-Szrh81Bs

[youtube]-N-Szrh81Bs[/youtube]


And here is a screen-capture of the image shown in the video ...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-obDiuQ6iaWw/Vm9Fz7gORbI/AAAAAAAADBw/MlLigUVIofk/s1600/A12_thumb441.png)


I thought this image was really interesting and wanted to see a better copy of it so I started looking for it on all the NASA imagery websites but I was never able to find it.

Not seeing a match here ...
Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?53

Or here in this video ...
Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRz56VbQRjM

So my reason for posting this topic is because I was hoping maybe somebody else can help identify the image and tell us all where to see the original on the NASA websites.

Also since Jim Oberg is a member here on this forum and he is the one in the video presenting the information, I thought maybe he would like an opportunity to explain and tell us more about it and give us the image number so it can be identified.



Thanks for reading,

Cheers


Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: zorgon on December 14, 2015, 06:19:58 pm
I'll see what I can find
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 14, 2015, 07:31:35 pm
I'll see what I can find

Hey thanks Zorgon,

Any help identifying this image will be much appreciated.



For reference purposes here's a quote from the transcripts ...

Quote
241:33:04 Conrad: Also, also, right in the center of the Earth now, we have some real bright light shining, staying on - that - that Dick's looking at with the monocular. It's really bright.

241:33:20 Weitz: Roger. Understand. Does it appear to be coming from your nadir point, which should be just off the Eastern coast of India now?

241:33:28 Conrad: Yes. Looks like it's coming just about out of the center of what we're looking at. I would say south of Burma and east of India.

241:33:39 Weitz: Roger. That's just about your nadir. [Long pause.]

241:34:11 Conrad: I can't imagine what that is.

241:34:21 Weitz: We can't either. We're checking for possibilities.

241:34:27 Conrad: It's a steady light, and it appears in size to be as big as any of the thunderstorms flashing.

241:34:39 Bean: Yes. It's as big as Venus at least. [Long pause.]

241:34:XX Weitz: Roger. Understand.

241:34:XX Bean: It's hard to tell if it is exactly in the center of the Earth or not, it's pretty close to being right in the center. Maybe just a little bit to our right, whatever that means. Just a little bit to the side that the Sun did not go behind the Earth on.

241:35:21 Weitz: Roger. I think we understand that.


Link - http://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/20day10_sf3th.htm

Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: zorgon on December 15, 2015, 12:04:38 am
Try here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157656754109323
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 20, 2015, 01:29:43 pm
Try here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums/72157656754109323

Thanks but I've looked there already and everwhere else too.

I'm almost certain the image in question is not displayed anywhere on the web for public viewing.


To search on the main image site ->  http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/

I would need to find the image number - https://www.google.com/search?q=apollo+12+film+catalogue



Very possible since it's a UFO related subject matter it can not be accessed online.

I found the same thing happened with the SkyLab 3 UFO images.

 ::)








Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on December 20, 2015, 02:55:48 pm
I suppose it should be one from AS12-53-7891 to AS12-53-7947, but I don't see any with the Moon being reflect by Earth.
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 21, 2015, 06:28:59 pm
I suppose it should be one from AS12-53-7891 to AS12-53-7947, but I don't see any with the Moon being reflect by Earth.

Yes seems likely to be from that series of images but it's just a guess.

I checked here -> http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/ ... for that magazine but it's not listed ...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D8fQZ_ziAaI/Vnil3P8B6EI/AAAAAAAADCU/gH89fRzN3hg/s1600/Gateway4.png)


Maybe you can find it on there ?




I'm starting to think there may be only two choices to consider ...


In the video did Oberg present an image that was hoaxed?

Or

Did NASA withhold the image from public viewing because it concerns The Great Taboo?

 :o
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on December 21, 2015, 07:12:43 pm
Sorry, I forgot to say that the only place I found those photos was on the LPI, here (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?53).
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 24, 2015, 12:43:18 pm
Hey ArMaP thanks for responding  :)


Sorry, I forgot to say that the only place I found those photos was on the LPI, here (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?53).

After more consideration, I'm thinking it may not be from the B&W images ...

Quote
240:47:01 Bean: It's a heck of a time to be without any 70-millimeter color film, I'll tell you.

240:47:07 Weitz: ...[garble]...

240:47:08 Bean: But I know how to get it on a 16-millimeter camera.

Link - http://history.nasa.gov/ap12fj/20day10_sf3th.htm


It's possible it's not from that magazine because during the video, when they zoom in on the image, the Moon reflection or UFO appears to have some color to it...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OfeX1mndCNA/VnxPfb9x-wI/AAAAAAAADCs/Vf-PYNPkpb8/s1600/color12.png)


Thats why I posted the transcripts and this video ....

[youtube]TRz56VbQRjM[/youtube]

But I don't see it there either so not sure where to look next?




Would you agree the object? in question has some color ?


Cheers  :D
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on December 24, 2015, 04:32:18 pm
Thats why I posted the transcripts and this video ....
I missed that 16mm part, that was the video camera.

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Would you agree the object? in question has some color ?
Yes, it has some colour, but I don't know how much of that colour comes from the conversion of the video.

On the video we can see only a lens flare (like in the photos on the LPI), could it be that there aren't really any images of the event and they used an image with the lens flare?
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on December 24, 2015, 07:22:44 pm
Thanks ArMaP for the reply,

Yes, it has some colour, but I don't know how much of that colour comes from the conversion of the video.

Hmmm... Not sure converting a video file can create colors ?



Quote
On the video we can see only a lens flare (like in the photos on the LPI), could it be that there aren't really any images of the event and they used an image with the lens flare?

The problem with that theory is none of the imagery matches.

Link - https://www.google.com/search?q=Apollo+12+16mm+solar+eclipse


And to be honest, the lens flare doesn't look the same as the Moon-UFO anomaly.

Just my opinion of course, but either way, it seems some imagery is MIA or the image is somekind of hoax?

Idunno but I'll keep diggin and post when possible.



Anyways ........ Happy Holidays to Everyone ...

Cheers!  :D
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on December 25, 2015, 04:27:43 am
Hmmm... Not sure converting a video file can create colors ?
I don't think it can create colours, but I think it can change, specially with the aggressive compression used in most cases on the Internet.

Quote
The problem with that theory is none of the imagery matches.

And to be honest, the lens flare doesn't look the same as the Moon-UFO anomaly.
I have to do a better comparison, I confess I haven't spend much time with this. :)

Quote
Just my opinion of course, but either way, it seems some imagery is MIA or the image is somekind of hoax?
That's my opinion too.

Quote
Anyways ........ Happy Holidays to Everyone ...
Happy Holidays. :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 02, 2016, 07:25:57 am
Thanks ArMaP,

I suppose video compression could cause some discoloring but that hypothesis would need to be tested and in this specific case that explanation (imo) really seems a bit extreme.

And yeah you would have to spend some time examining all the images and information to be of any help in solving this puzzle. I was afraid this might be too much work for most folks and almost didn't post for that reason but thought it was worth a try since some people are interested in the Apollo subjects.

Well at least you agree there seems to be some information missing.


As far as the video goes, this seems to be the closest it gets ...

(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/a12_yt12.png)

Compared to the image in question
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/a12_th10.png)



Image rotated:
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/a12_yt13.png)

B&W version:
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/a12_yt14.png)

As you can see the UFO-Moonreflection in the image in question is clearly in the center of the Earth and in the solar eclipse imagery the lens flare is outside the sphere.

So basically there is no match I see in the 16mm video imagery.

I'm back to thinking the imagery is from the 70mm B&W images (http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/catalog/70mm/magazine/?53) but the image has been withheld from the public because it is related to the UFO subject.



Too bad the guy in the video won't post and clear up this mystery.

Maybe he hasn't posted because there is something to hide ?

 :P
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: funbox on March 02, 2016, 01:37:44 pm
seems to be a familiar resemblance but light-years between technologies

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9177.msg122603;topicseen#new

funbox

Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 03, 2016, 07:51:29 am
seems to be a familiar resemblance but light-years between technologies

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=9177.msg122603;topicseen#new

funbox

Hey Thanks funbox for the interesting image.

Not sure there's a resemblance or not but are you saying it's "light-years between technologies" because you think the A12 anomaly is a UFO?

Just wondering why you said that.

Anyways .... I'm thinking the anomaly is really the Moons glowing reflection on the Earth even though it does in fact resemble a UFO.

Seems plausible when comparing imagery of the Moons shadow ...

Moon's Shadow on Earth During Solar Eclipse
(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/moons-10.png)
Link - http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/k-4/stories/moons-shadow/#.VthOJuYoG5d

Also captured on video:

Luna eclipse shadow over Earth 2005 - ISS Expedition 10
Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSe7LzZj2w

[youtube]hfSe7LzZj2w[/youtube]


Cheers  :D
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: funbox on March 03, 2016, 03:02:35 pm
Hey Thanks funbox for the interesting image.

Not sure there's a resemblance or not but are you saying it's "light-years between technologies" because you think the A12 anomaly is a UFO?

Just wondering why you said that.


in reference to the image capturing devices used now and then :D

funbox
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 18, 2016, 04:25:52 am
in reference to the image capturing devices used now and then :D

funbox

Ohh ok, now I understand, thanks!

I think the Apollo images are probably the most important pictures ever taken in space because they used cameras with film.  (just saying) http://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/missions/apollo/apollo_12/photography/


Although some of the imagery released to the public has been altered digitally ...


Quote
Apollo NASA image enhancement in 1972

Digital Image enhancement of the live pictures of the Apollo moonmissions by a company in North Hollywood California (Image Transform inc.)

Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gzd24RSZUU


[youtube]8Gzd24RSZUU[/youtube]


 ::)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 18, 2016, 07:58:13 am
Topic observation:

This thread has almost 800 views, and the video only has 86 views. lol


Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly

Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N-Szrh81Bs

[youtube]-N-Szrh81Bs[/youtube]



Does that imply people are just reading the thread and nobody really cares about the actual subject ?


(Not looking for attention or views on the video,
I'm just wondering why there is such a huge difference)

 :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 18, 2016, 01:22:15 pm
It looks like I'm not the only one that doesn't like videos. ;)

PS: I did watch this video. :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 18, 2016, 02:16:13 pm
It looks like I'm not the only one that doesn't like videos. ;)

PS: I did watch this video. :)



Yeah maybe, idunno. but thanks for watching. :)




Not sure what the reason is, .... but I am sure bumping this thread today has some people upset enough to post a different Apollo topic! LOL

(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/recent11.png)


I don't want to bother anyone or cause any problems here on this forum so this will be my last post.

Peace  :P



Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: thorfourwinds on March 18, 2016, 03:57:53 pm
hey, buddy, i consider you a valued member and you don't cause any problems that i know of.

Just because you don't get a lot of replies doesn't mean you should go, imho.

thank you for your time and consideration.
thorfourwinds
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: zorgon on March 18, 2016, 04:56:24 pm
There are no replies because most people up and left :P

Funny how that works

 ::)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on March 18, 2016, 06:10:11 pm


Not sure what the reason is, .... but I am sure bumping this thread today has some people upset enough to post a different Apollo topic! LOL

(http://i84.servimg.com/u/f84/15/84/15/12/recent11.png)


I don't want to bother anyone or cause any problems here on this forum so this will be my last post.

Peace  :P


Wow, touchy touchy... and more than just slightly paranoid.

Ok everybody, no posting any moon anomalies on the same day easynow has one up.

 ::)

eta: I asked Zorgon in pm if he had seen the Apollo 15 one, night before last, so looks like I was in line first.  :P

Get a grip.


 
 
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on March 18, 2016, 06:22:33 pm


Oh wait, this thread was started middle of Dec last year.

So just how long are we expected to give you a wide berth easynow?

No other moon topics for what, a year?

For someone allegedly not wanting to cause trouble, your actions speak otherwise.



Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on March 18, 2016, 06:28:57 pm
Topic observation:

This thread has almost 800 views, and the video only has 86 views. lol

Does that imply people are just reading the thread and nobody really cares about the actual subject ?

(Not looking for attention or views on the video,
I'm just wondering why there is such a huge difference)

 :)

If you had more experience in posting videos on Peggy you would understand why.


Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on March 18, 2016, 06:58:29 pm


(http://data.whicdn.com/images/120497723/large.jpg)


Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: funbox on March 19, 2016, 05:31:33 am

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/120497723/large.jpg)

*a far distant rumbling can be heard, a noise akin to a sound you would get if you invited a party and many thousands of miles of gaffertape to become a ball*

funbox
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 19, 2016, 07:07:00 am
hey, buddy, i consider you a valued member and you don't cause any problems that i know of.

Just because you don't get a lot of replies doesn't mean you should go, imho.

thank you for your time and consideration.
thorfourwinds

Thanks thorfourwinds I appreciate that.  :)

The lack of replies wasn't the reason I thought about not posting anymore, it was the apparent timing of the other new Apollo thread that made me wonder if some peeps might be upset I bumped this thread and was again appearing in the recent topics list.

Maybe I'm wrong idunno, Just seemed that way to me.

I do have alot of ideas for Apollo topics that I could post with never-before-seen-info, but if this thread is an example of what would happen then obviously I would be wasting my time.

Not many places on the web anymore for real research, most sites have become nothing more than chatrooms.

Anyways I may post again, I may not.

Peace everyone  :D
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2016, 09:33:39 am
I do have alot of ideas for Apollo topics that I could post with never-before-seen-info, but if this thread is an example of what would happen then obviously I would be wasting my time.
Post them, you never know what may come from that. :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 19, 2016, 01:15:35 pm
If you had more experience in posting videos on Peggy you would understand why.

Hey A51Watcher if I misinterpreted your intentions when you posted that thread then please accept my apologies. Your a great researcher especially with the UFO topic and I certainly wouldn't want you to be mad at me for anything. Once again, if I did something wrong I apologize.

Your correct, I haven't posted many videos here, so yeah I'm not exactly sure "why" there is a huge difference in video views verses thread views.

Anyone care to explain it ?  ;D
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 19, 2016, 01:26:08 pm
Post them, you never know what may come from that. :)

It would be a lot of work just to present the information and some of it leads to classified stuff ..... So i'm not sure if it's worth the effort or risks.

I'll make a deal with you though, ... if you can get Gym Ohh to post in this thread and clear up this matter about the image he presented in the video then I will post some of the never-seen-before-info.


Deal ?  :)



[youtube]-N-Szrh81Bs[/youtube]
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2016, 02:53:19 pm
I can ask him, but why don't you ask?
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 19, 2016, 03:58:27 pm
I can ask him, but why don't you ask?

Because you've probably talked with him before and your also a skeptic and can relate to him better?

You don't have to if you don't want to, I was just offering you a deal.  :)

Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 19, 2016, 04:26:06 pm
I already sent him a message on Facebook. :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 19, 2016, 04:57:29 pm
Ok good job ArMaP, Thanks  :)


Just to be clear what is being asked ....

We're trying to identify the image shown in the video that allegedly shows the Moons reflection on the Earth

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-obDiuQ6iaWw/Vm9Fz7gORbI/AAAAAAAADBw/MlLigUVIofk/s1600/A12_thumb441.png)

Is it real or fake ?

If it's real ... what is the image ID#

If it's from the 16mm video ... where is it seen in the video?

If it's fake ... who created it ?


Hopefully he will show up and solve the mystery  ;)



Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on March 19, 2016, 07:55:23 pm
Hey A51Watcher if I misinterpreted your intentions when you posted that thread then please accept my apologies.

Apology accepted. You wanted a bump for the thread and you got it.

Try posting a video withOUT the embedded player, and use the url link only and see how your view totals match up.


 
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 23, 2016, 06:34:46 am
Apology accepted. You wanted a bump for the thread and you got it.

Try posting a video withOUT the embedded player, and use the url link only and see how your view totals match up.


Ok Thanks A51Watcher .... and thanks for the video info.  :)



I already sent him a message on Facebook. :)

Hey ArMaP, did you get any response to your message ?

Just wondering because so far, it appears to be a no-show.

::)

Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 23, 2016, 07:03:37 am
Not yet. :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 26, 2016, 03:45:35 pm
Not yet. :)

Since you got no response, I decided to post this topic on ATS

Link - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1110766/pg1

Of course Jim denies any knowledge of the image which seems a bit ridiculous considering he is the person in the video.

Well anywho, just thought I'd post the link incase someone was interested and I'll still post here in this Pegasus thread if anyone replies.

Cheers  :)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 26, 2016, 04:14:05 pm
Since you got no response, I decided to post this topic on ATS
I noticed it. :)

Quote
Of course Jim denies any knowledge of the image which seems a bit ridiculous considering he is the person in the video.
Being the person on the video doesn't mean he was the person choosing what images to use on the video, that's the type of thing the production decides (I think).
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 26, 2016, 04:27:09 pm
I noticed it. :)
Being the person on the video doesn't mean he was the person choosing what images to use on the video, that's the type of thing the production decides (I think).

Yes I understand he maybe didn't have anything to do with the editing but doesn't it seem a little strange that he claims he never seen the image ?

If you were in a documentary wouldn't you at least take a look at it to make sure they didn't do anything wrong or mischievous ?

I just find the "never seen" the video claim a tad bit unbelievable.

 ::)
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: ArMaP on March 26, 2016, 04:59:01 pm
If you were in a documentary wouldn't you at least take a look at it to make sure they didn't do anything wrong or mischievous ?
On the first one or two, sure, but I don't think I would do it if it became a relatively common event.

Some actors never watch the movies they make.
Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: easynow on March 26, 2016, 06:12:20 pm
On the first one or two, sure, but I don't think I would do it if it became a relatively common event.

Some actors never watch the movies they make.

I'm thinking it was the first time.

 ;)

Title: Re: Apollo 12 Moon-UFO Anomaly (Research Thread)
Post by: A51Watcher on April 22, 2016, 03:47:07 pm

Just reporting I can't find the source of the photo either.

Just those few that are slightly similar like you already posted.

Maybe some different search terms? Hmmm....