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The Living Moon => Thorfourwinds Section => The Challenges and Solutions Associated With Nuclear Energy => Topic started by: thorfourwinds on April 23, 2012, 03:32:45 pm

Title: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on April 23, 2012, 03:32:45 pm
Foreword courtesy zworld (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread672665/pg1246#pid13934964)


"Fukushima represents a watershed moment for the human race."


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"It's either the breaking point for nuclear power and nuclear weapons,
or the breaking point for life."


The road forks hard straight ahead.

The choice is ours to make."




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Zworld, we simply cannot agree more with your poignant message.

As we continue to investigate the Fukushima Dai-ichi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant) triple melt-through disaster/fiasco spewing radioactive death 24/7/365, we can only hopefully speculate at what the future may hold for mankind as new crises seem to erupt on a daily basis at the nuked plant.


Humanity, as well as all other planetary life forms irradiated post-3/11 for over a year now, is still ravaged on a daily basis by radioactive fallout and continues to endure disinformation by rabid nuclear advocates, misinformation by the MSM and attempted media blackouts ordered by world governments uniquely complicit in the deadly cover-up of critical information relating to true radiation levels.



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The 'nuclear cabal' continues to reassure us that "all is well" (http://www.hark.com/clips/gycxtkvjxh-foolproof-and-incapable-or-error), and "cold-shutdown" has been achieved at all reactors.




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However, the sad truth is:

"There's no publicly available technology that can stop a few thousand degree blob of corium."

Once the pipes broke in the quake, then the tsunami mopped the rest of the systems, it was largely out of TEPCO control on the 11th.

This can be evidenced by the complete lack of control a year later."

GhostR1der (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread672665/pg1246#pid13940276)



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Thanks for the great intro, friends, now let's dance.


This is nothing short of a final struggle for the hearts, minds and spirits of freedom-loving peoples everywhere demanding nothing less than a radiation-free environment and mutant-free future.



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We are ultimately hopeful for a viable solution sooner than later, but to hear "experts" claiming that nuclear radiation is not that serious, or that the environmental calamity at Fukushima Dai-ichi proves the continued need for nuclear power to prevent electricity shortages, is nothing short of disgraceful and more so, ultimately shamefully deceitful - as in an outright prevarication.


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No one has the right to allow any discussion of the grave dangers of radiation from Fukushima, which is of unprecedented urgency and gravity, to be influenced - let alone dominated - by those insane enough to poison the discussion with debating points, half truths and distortions.

The truth shall save the world, let it be free.

And yet, government and industry schemers attack these truths as unfounded scare-mongering. With cold indifference, they deny that Chernobyl was a mass-casualty event.

We will prove otherwise.

They turn a blind eye to a huge body of research and deviously proclaim that no evidence exists that more than a handful of people suffered harm from the Ukrainian disaster.

We will prove otherwise.

They continue to publish propaganda, draped in the guise of 'science', that dismisses the hazard of low levels of internal contamination.

We will prove otherwise.

Believing their subterfuge to have been successful and intoxicated by their hubris, they have already positioned themselves to stage-manage the public’s perception of Fukushima.


 
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We will challenge that perception with the truth.


The truth is horribly apparent.

Fukushima’s nuclear disaster/fiasco is a worldwide ecological nightmare.

Ghostly releases of radioactivity continue to haunt the Japanese countryside, even as the JAPGOV is encouraging displaced citizens to return to areas from whence they once fled for their lives.

Those lives, once safe, are now beset by an ineffable scourge promising vile illness and untimely death.

Large sectors of the population have been irradiated beyond what the TEPCO numbers indicate and are accumulating significant levels of internal contamination, setting the stage for a public health tragedy of Biblical proportions.

Nothing short of nuclear blackmail is what TEPCO and the JAPGOV have foisted upon the still-suffering Japanese populace, while continuing the falsehood that "all is well; a state of cold shutdown has been achieved." 

One cannot help but suspect that the interests of the shareholders of TEPCO are still being preferred to those of the millions of potential victims of radioactive poisoning in Japan.


Do not we, the other citizens of planet Earth, have the right to a radiation-free future?

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: A51Watcher on April 23, 2012, 07:16:16 pm

Carbon Based Lifeforms - Photosynthesis  (What about the forests?)






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Midival Punditz - Forest Dreams





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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on May 26, 2012, 01:54:00 pm
Hey, TFW, whats a shame is the amount of released radioactivity is now beyond what we can rid the world of, eh?

We are at the top of the roller coaster, and getting ready to go down the first hill, and the radiation we have exposed the world to is growing, and never shrinking.

If we look at the half life of nuclear waste, its too late to reverse the irradiation, and soon the whole western seaboard will bear the brunt of a crisis majeur.

I wonder why the gov doenst just admit they have f-ed up the whole idea of nuke energy, and begin to disband and remove the plants.

Oh thats right, they dont know where to put the fuel, and waste, and they would rather just milk the reactors and their fuel for what its worth, and suffer the consequences later on.

Forget the profits, as we cant spend any money when our livers are turning to mush.
 
Mohenjo-Daro....all over again!

Oklo, Gabon, once more!

So, there isnt any hope for a radiation free environment, just a less radiated environment to suffer through, and how we learn to cope is another story, when our fellow man begins to lose his hair, and get various exotic cancers.

Give me a rad suit, and a submarine, and Ill be half safe!:(

Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on May 26, 2012, 04:20:30 pm
Hobbit posted this in another thread - and it just flat out infuriates Me that this info is left undiscussed:

http://www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html

We know here, but the world at large does NOT!  And these evil F*CKS just let it accumulate and grow ever more deadly!

I'm seldom furious, but I am right now!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on May 26, 2012, 04:24:29 pm
Hobbit posted this in another thread - and it just flat out infuriates Me that this info is left undiscussed:

http://www.nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html

We know here, but the world at large does NOT!  And these evil F*CKS just let it accumulate and grow ever more deadly!

I'm seldom furious, but I am right now!
Check this out, Amy! This guy lives a few miles from me!
Le
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on May 26, 2012, 06:47:19 pm
OMG!  As They say...  "Small world!"

Wow.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 27, 2012, 12:55:18 pm
Checking Z's fix.

BUMP!

Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 19, 2012, 05:08:49 pm
Hobbit posted this in another thread - and it just flat out infuriates Me that this info is left undiscussed

The problem is calling it "Brown's Gas" confuses the issue. It is simply electrolysis of water splitting it into hydrogen and oxygen, then recombining the two to give energy

Call it hydrogen not Brown's gas and do a search.  They taught me this in basic science in middle school, using a simple car battery a bowl of water, two glasses and some wire

Here is an old apparatus from the 1800's

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/76/Electrolyser_1884.png/522px-Electrolyser_1884.png)

Its not free energy though, merely clean energy as the exhaust is water... PURE water. It does however have enough power to lift the Space Shuttle into orbit :D

I even have a water torch... just add water, plug it in and wait for the gas to generate

Ever hear of the term "In the Limelight"?  Well limelight was a spotlight created by using a water torch system to heat some calcium oxide to produce light

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Limelight_diagram.svg/731px-Limelight_diagram.svg.png)

Yeah you can run your car on it, either by filling up with hydrogen at the pumps (and burning atmospheric oxygen in the carburator, or using a hydrogen fuel cell like Bob Lazar sells that splits the gases right in your car

Only problem with fuel cells is they are small and have limited production, so you wait around a lot till it builds up

THAT is the main reason its not grabbing hold... people have no patience :D

Better just convert to Hydrogen directly. In Toronto the university was offering that conversion (a new carburator, a hydrogen nickle foam tank, and new springs (for the weight of the tank)) for $680.00 for any car of the day  in 1968

Brown didn't invent this gas or discover it...

Here it is in use in 1827

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 19, 2012, 05:24:41 pm
A better Solution

This is also often groupe under 'Free Energy/Anti Gravity" sites, but like the electrolysis of water it too is NOT over unity

What is DOES do... instead of just using radiation to biol water and contaminating everything in sight with stray radiation, this device absorbs the radioactive particle DIRECTLY similar in principle to a solar collector

In effect, it is a NUCLEAR BATTERY that can even use the waste that we leave all around in the nuclear industry

What is REALLY Ironic in all this. this guys name is also Brown  :o What are the odds? :D

DR PAUL BROWN

(http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/FreeEnergy/p.brown1.gif)

Paul Brown: Resonant Nuclear Battery (NUCELL Battery) -
This Resonant Nuclear Battery is a radioisotope electric power system that absorbs the collapsing magnetic field of alpha and beta radiation and converts it directly to Alternating electrical current.

This effect does not rely on a nuclear reaction or chemical processes and does not produce radioactive waste products.   

This Resonant Nuclear Battery is an LCR resonant circuit oscillating at its self-resonating frequency with energy supplied by the alpha-beta collapsing magnetic fields.

A prototype 'NUCELL' the size of a small automobile engine produced approximately 50 kilowatts!

Unfortunately for the works, and us here at Pegasus, Paul is no longer with us and we have no idea where his work went. Cofounder of Pegasus, Matyas (Matt Campbell) was a freind of his, and has now disappeared (did a post on that)

Remembering a Genius Energy Inventor, Dr. Paul Brown (1955-2002)

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Little did I know the life-threatening suppression that Paul suffered for inventing an improved, clean source of energy, that was better than any NASA thermoelectric "nuclear" batteries. Every so often a nuclear physicist in the audience would catch on that his battery exceeded the available thermal decay energy, which Paul calculated to include the available angular momentum energy. That is when his 25-year lifespan battery became too much of a good thing for some people. In 1991, Paul explained his disappearance from the business world and public life with a shocking one-page letter he circulated to IECEC speakers through Dr. Pat Bailey. His letter, showing how dangerous this work is, will forever remain etched in my memory (excerpt reprinted below):

http://users.erols.com/iri/Pauleulogy.htm


NOW you can be pissed off :D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 19, 2012, 06:17:16 pm
Just to put my two cents worth I kind of got the impression that when you mentioned " Browns gas" you were somehow nodding in my Dads direction...." Browns gas and my Dad are completely separate. I don't even know about the person who maybe developed " Browns gas" Perhaps someone should do him the courtesy of looking him up?

So the name is well represented in this thread anyway!

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 19, 2012, 06:25:26 pm
Just to put my two cents worth I kind of got the impression that when you mentioned " Browns gas" you were somehow nodding in my Dads direction...."

No I wasn't :P There are other geniuses out there as well :P

But it is odd to find so many Brown's in energy related fields... gets all confuddled

Seems like the one with the gas though is doing more harm than good, especially with the claim that imploding hydrogen can reduce radioactive isotopes half life
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on June 19, 2012, 09:39:26 pm
Brown's gas? Do you mean HHO?

Heres a neighbor in Palm Harbor who is quite the gaseous fellow, and has even made a business for his son out of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruggero_Santilli

from the above link.....

"Magnecule theory
 
Santilli claims to have developed novel fuels, named "MagneGas" and "MagneHydrogen".[8][9][10] They are produced by plasma arc gasification of liquid waste.[11] Santilli claims that these fuels are composed of magnecules.[12][13][14] These hypothetical magnecules are a type of theoretical chemical species proposed by Santilli, distinguished from better-known species by containing a novel type of bond called a "magnecular bond", which he claims consists of atoms held together by magnetic fields which arise from toroidal polarization of their electron orbitals.[14][15] Neither these claims nor the existence of magnecules have been accepted by the scientific community.
 
This paper[16] by Santilli claims (e.g. on its p. 21) that many types of magnecules have been identified.

I dont know the correlations of this magnegas and how to derive energy from decaying radioactive waste, but as far as gas goes, hes ....well... a gas!

Cheers!
Littleenki


Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 19, 2012, 11:06:01 pm
Seems like the one with the gas though is doing more harm than good, especially with the claim that imploding hydrogen can reduce radioactive isotopes half life

z, it's the claims of neutralizing radiation.  THAT's what infuriates Me that it's not being discussed.  And given that...can it be the same as You're showing here?
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 02:16:08 am
z, it's the claims of neutralizing radiation.  THAT's what infuriates Me that it's not being discussed.  And given that...can it be the same as You're showing here?

Perhaps its not being discussed because there is no validity to that claim. No amount of explosion or implosion of hydrogen and oxygen is going to remove any radiation.  H and O interact with each other and form water. If that water absorbs radiation, you have radioactive water

For example... Plutonium 239 (fissionable) has a half life of 24,100 years. Its most stable isotope, Plutonium-244, has a  half-life of about 80 million years.

It doesn't just magically go away.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 20, 2012, 02:30:52 am
Well...  I'm not the tech.  Maybe hobbity can shed light on this.  (I never claimed it was magic...  I know that there have been claims for electrogravitics in the realm of neutralizing radiation.  And like I said...maybe this is something other than what You think it is.)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 02:40:24 am
Not sure how electrogravitics ties in with imploding of hydrogen  :o ???

Sure lets ask hobbit... maybe he can explain how it works :D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 20, 2012, 02:45:39 am
Don't think EG ties in w/imploding hydrogen at all - leastwise, not directly.  hobbity was the one who provided that link in response to My saying I had read somewhere that radiation could be neutralized.  I believe what I read was relative to EG, but He thought that would work just as well.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 02:55:17 am
You know what really gets my dander up?

People like Dr Paul Brown come up with a patent for something that truly works, is cheap and safe... but he gets killed ans the device suppressed

A Kid in Thunderbay Canada invents a carburetor that would give any car at least 100 miles to the gallon. The story makes the news, the kid is 'bought off' with three million buck and is never heard from again

But when crackpot inventors come up with ideas that no one with even basic scientific knowledge could support, they get popular coverage all over the internet and TV

So that leaves us two options...

A) We work hard a a research group to find the real answers and be taken seriously  or

B) We jump on the band wagon and promote everything that comes along, and be just like the rest, another one of 'those' sites with all the loonies

Now option A) comes with a price, because it is obvious that REAL research and progress is dangerous. I have already lost Matyas, directly involved in REAL free energy pursuit

So I guess we go with B) then... because that is the safe route. No PTB alphabet agency is going to shut down a site that doesn't have the goods.

Think about it :D

PS and no this isn't directed at you ;)

Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 05:22:17 am
An either/or decision?

Thats disappointing.

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 05:46:47 am
What I mean is..... do you see what a disadvantageous corner that paints you into?

This is a wildly creative, multitalented group here. Surely they will be shown a way to make use of all of that without committing themselves to either A or B....

I suspect there are all kinds of paths available to this wonderful Forum.

If it became strictly interested in pursuing the science.... well.... I know many who would bore out and fall asleep. On the other hand you have a site like the History Channel was where the only thing that counted was sheer entertainment for a group of armchair malcontents.......

I don't see Pegasus as either one.

And maybe its just me but I like the freedom that the members have to challenge the science while themselves being scientists..... to challenge the mystical side while still being mystics....

To take pieces from this and pieces from that and mix them.... just to see what might develop.

So separating that wondrous process right now and to artificially choose which road it must take I think would be a serious mistake Zorgon.

 You have created a very strong entity here. Let it decide where it needs to go!

The science will show up and the mystical will present itself. Your reader should be able to safely know that it is OK to take a little from here and a little from there.... without being reprimanded.

That's the look of the future, in my concept anyway. A blending of the two....

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 06:05:18 am
You know what really gets my dander up?

People like Dr Paul Brown come up with a patent for something that truly works, is cheap and safe... but he gets killed ans the device suppressed

We are talking about his work right now. Its not all that surpressed. Is it?

A Kid in Thunderbay Canada invents a carburetor that would give any car at least 100 miles to the gallon. The story makes the news, the kid is 'bought off' with three million buck and is never heard from again

But he did it once. Someone else can do it again. Frankly.... I hope that he is enjoying his money and doing something constructive with it. At least he was paid.

But when crackpot inventors come up with ideas that no one with even basic scientific knowledge could support, they get popular coverage all over the internet and TV

Thats the disinformation machine at work. Keep you distracted looking at that obviously flawed concept... then attach it to something that they want discredited.... and there it goes.... the baby out with the dirty water.  Its all in handling the public and only works when the public remains gullible. Unfortuately there seems to be no end to the supply!

So that leaves us two options...

A) We work hard a a research group to find the real answers and be taken seriously  or

B) We jump on the band wagon and promote everything that comes along, and be just like the rest, another one of 'those' sites with all the loonies

Now option A) comes with a price, because it is obvious that REAL research and progress is dangerous. I have already lost Matyas, directly involved in REAL free energy pursuit

REAL RESEARCH ALWAYS comes with a price. As someone who grew up watching her family constantly paying it..... and a close companion has already said regarding the " cost?"  " Nothing less than EVERYTHING"   The translation of his exact meaning of  that is still ongoing.

So I guess we go with B) then... because that is the safe route. No PTB alphabet agency is going to shut down a site that doesn't have the goods.

And I say..... do the same thing to them that they do to us. Think about that one.  LindaThink about it :D

PS and no this isn't directed at you ;)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 06:48:00 am
When I say that my family lived through alot for the " work" I suppose not many of you would know what I am talking about.

And when you mention the PTB agency " shutting people down" I imagine that you probably would include the FBI in that, right?

I have records of the cables that were flashed from Washington ( Hoovers direct line) to the station in Hawaii..... the first advised him that Townsend Brown had " returned to the mainland and was operating in the " twilight zone".... whatever that meant to them at the time. An order was issued to watch Dads activities.... so that's really why I have so many wonderful accounts of what Dad was doing at the time. The FBI kept very good records. They also had an informant in his offices in Washington who stole dictation tapes. transcribed them and then returned them in the morning.... His bank account was watched... his mail and careful transcripts were made of phone conversations. One particular press meeting in Los Angeles was peppered with FBI informants and shells who put a spin on the reporting of a demonstration of the disks... crackpot... one reporter was encouraged to discount the work entirely to the public.

These were the PTB at work. But years after all of this I am coming to understand that Dad was actually quite aware that all of this was going on and in fact may have intentionally set up some of the situations. The man who was stealing tapes.... was reporting.... exactly what Dad wanted him to report.

At the end of an exhaustive five years or so of constant surveillance the FBI head offices declared that nothing negative had been uncovered regarding Townsend Brown. The rumors ( which they started) of him running a " scam" to produce funds to pay for his research had proven unfounded and that he had in fact financed himself with his own personal money.... to the tune of close to a quarter of a million dollars.

His family was forced to return to their hometown of Zanesville and live through the charity of a relative...while Brown attempted to establish contacts that seemed to disappear the minute the FBI expressed an interest also.....

It seemed that this man named Townsend Brown had been so beaten down and discouraged by constantly running into these negative attitudes that he reportedly " threw up his hands and quit science.... opening a Laundry Service in Washington DC, Agents who overheard his conversations with various customers reported to the home office that he was " finished with science forever".

The main office decided that this entire watchdog effort needed to be closed down... and then eventually they pulled the surveillance on Dad even though the head agent stressed that he believed that this man " would never quit, he has his whole life wrapped up in this research"  They didn't listen to him of course....They had won.... Townsend Brown was stopped in his tracks.

A couple of months later Dad was in Paris running tests on those same " flying discs"... work that has just now bubbled to the surface from its top secret classification .....

Now.....Why did all of that have to happen?

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 12:02:13 pm
An either/or decision?
Thats disappointing.

No decision :P Just musings

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We are talking about his work right now. Its not all that suppressed. Is it?

Talking about it does not make it reality... JLN Labs, the Radiant Energy site and even Pegasus Yahoo group all had real scientists talking about things...

in the end the interest faded because no one could actually produce any working solutions. You can only talk the talk so long before people realize its going to go no where.

Its noble to talk about these concepts but the world is never going to change until someone steps up and puts that device on the market

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But he did it once. Someone else can do it again. Frankly.... I hope that he is enjoying his money and doing something constructive with it. At least he was paid.

Since he was never heard from again... perhaps a bullet was a cheaper payoff?

I mean its not like they still do that right?

Environmental Killings Report by sky otter
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1604.msg20184;topicseen#new

Sure by all means we can entertain all wild ideas and talk about them. After all most people come to a forum for entertainment. But building a core group of serious researches that can actually make a difference in the world was one of the goals of Pegasus when Matyas and I created it.

Now he is gone under odd circumstances and so are many others.

We can play with Flying Pigs, we can sign petitions and we can talk till the cows come home... (unless they are abducted)

But wouldn't it be nice to find just ONE solution that will make the world a better place?
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 12:12:21 pm
YUP

What is it Zorgon that you MOST want to see developed in the next five years?

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 12:13:49 pm
Now.....Why did all of that have to happen?

Good question... 

Did you know that Einstein invented the refrigerator? That was one device that made the world a better place :D

Tesla had the plans and workings of a flying disk over 100 years ago and yet today we still don't know what happened at Roswell and we still don't have a verifiable photo of a flying saucer.

Since the current weather on the UFO scene is getting worse by the day with bogus stuff, I don't expect I will ever see one in my lifetime.

The old timers are dying off, there hasn't been and new really solid case that can't be traced to military so all we have left is hoaxes, photoshop and people distorting the old stories to suit their needs

Most of the researchers have all given up serious research and will support any old story that is popular. Even Linda Howe


But the really funny thing in all this is how people consider the government to huge, too many nations that don't like us and too stupid overall to keep so many secrets for so long...

Yet on the other hand say that the government is covering up everything :D

Can't have it both ways :D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 12:19:52 pm
Frustration.

Its easy enough to feel.
Sometimes you just are too close to some things to see the changes that are made right in front of you.

Do you actually believe that people are getting disillusioned with this subject? Or was that just a passing thought?

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 12:29:42 pm
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Quote from: zorgon on Today at 12:13:49 PM

    Good question...

    But the really funny thing in all this is how people consider the government to huge, too many nations that don't like us and too stupid overall to keep so many secrets for so long...

    Yet on the other hand say that the government is covering up everything :D

    Can't have it both ways :D


Yes they can. As long as its all talk. <g>


Get some rest Zorgon. You are beginning to sound like me!   I still believe that everything will work out alright but we can't believe that any of this upcoming change is going to be easy.

I would rather NOT be hearing about all of the work being done out there.... that means someone is seriously working and keeping the information close to their chests for awhile.... I don't see the same black hole that you are seeing Zorgon.... to me its an indication that things are on the move, not the other way around!  Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on June 20, 2012, 01:54:44 pm
'm with You, Linda.  Spidy sense says something's up - but hidden to ensure safety and success.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 02:05:13 pm
I have been getting that same message from so many different avenues that I have to take serious note of it. Thanks Amy.   Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 02:25:50 pm
Do you actually believe that people are getting disillusioned with this subject? Or was that just a passing thought?

No based on observation. A good point in fact is what is happening at ATS and what happened at Open Minds. You can see it at Alien Scientists and GLP forums as well. It also happened at Project Camelot/Project Avalon

The good topic posters are under attack.. the trolls and hoaxers are everywhere and the charlatans are getting the publicity...

The overall result, people are venting their frustration openly and voicing their disillusionment. Sites like ATS don't want it to be seen so work hard to delete it

But it is there... less and less people are looking at any of these topics seriously anymore.

The pendulum swings... perhaps it will swing back again



Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 02:30:35 pm
. I don't see the same black hole that you are seeing Zorgon.... to me its an indication that things are on the move, not the other way around!  Linda

Well let me show you that black hole :P

Just listen to this person who is at the top...

Economic Crisis 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing Federal Reserve

[youtube]OhZFYGFbTPA[/youtube]

Now tell me again how officials like this can keep the lid on the good stuff  :D

Frankly it boggles what little mind I have left
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on June 20, 2012, 02:58:49 pm
No based on observation. A good point in fact is what is happening at ATS and what happened at Open Minds. You can see it at Alien Scientists and GLP forums as well. It also happened at Project Camelot/Project Avalon

The good topic posters are under attack.. the trolls and hoaxers are everywhere and the charlatans are getting the publicity...

Add the Quonset Huts deviation from its stated purpose to what it is now.....

The overall result, people are venting their frustration openly and voicing their disillusionment. Sites like ATS don't want it to be seen so work hard to delete it

But it is there... less and less people are looking at any of these topics seriously anymore.

BUT is it just me that sees this is a PLANNED attack on the interest that we have all shown in uncovering this information. OF course people are supposed to get upset. They are supposed to get downright livid. They are supposed to throw their hands up in disgust and walk away! Thats the Plan! And what happens then? The discussion group that COULD have made a difference has been burned to the ground.  

The pendulum swings... perhaps it will swing back again

Well thats all very pacific. But you miss actually seeing that what you all have been working so hard to reach has been removed from your grasp .... again and again and again...and maybe people will come back but how much time has been lost???? How much time do some of us have to put up with this kind of situation? If you see what is beginning to happen you can stop it.... like lighting a candle in the dark.  Linda..
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on June 20, 2012, 03:10:30 pm
It is easy to say that "They" are making this happen at forums  and there may be that element to be sure in some cases

But what I see is more boredom and apathy.  As a rule conspiracy nuts make up a small percentage of the population. The rest don't really care much about any of it so long as it doesn't effect them

What I see is that people who come to such forums because an interest has been stirred... they run into 95% BS and don't have the patience to sort through the trash for the gems...

If one could produce a real alien, or give a tour of a saucer, or market that anti gravity hoverboard... then there would be no stopping the interest. :D

But until something solid comes along  even one little piece, people will just loose interest and start poking fun.

Then when the insiders start supporting known hoaxes just to keep their audience... then you have nothing left

You don't need government agents to do anything... "We the Peeps..." are our own worst enemy :D

Aw well Ferrets are hungry  and then maybe I find some more Space Chicks :P
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Ellirium113 on June 20, 2012, 03:25:54 pm
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Aw well Ferrets are hungry  and then maybe I find some more Space Chicks Report to moderator    Logged

(http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/space-chicken.jpg)

  ;D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: dcooper on June 20, 2012, 04:38:47 pm
i hate it when gov. messes or interfer with science discovery's like Thomas Brown's discovery's.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on June 22, 2012, 09:09:14 pm
It is easy to say that "They" are making this happen at forums  and there may be that element to be sure in some cases

But what I see is more boredom and apathy.  As a rule conspiracy nuts make up a small percentage of the population. The rest don't really care much about any of it so long as it doesn't effect them

What I see is that people who come to such forums because an interest has been stirred... they run into 95% BS and don't have the patience to sort through the trash for the gems...

If one could produce a real alien, or give a tour of a saucer, or market that anti gravity hoverboard... then there would be no stopping the interest. :D

But until something solid comes along  even one little piece, people will just loose interest and start poking fun.

Then when the insiders start supporting known hoaxes just to keep their audience... then you have nothing left

You don't need government agents to do anything... "We the Peeps..." are our own worst enemy :D

Aw well Ferrets are hungry  and then maybe I find some more Space Chicks :P

Those ferrets will appreciate some yummies, Z!

What I see is similar to your view, as many forums I happen upon have not had a post in weeks or more, and the content there isnt even close to being worthy of the time to read.

What makes this forum so different is your efforts to provide interesting, well researched content, regardless of the latest UFO news or whatever. The subjects that you work tirelessly on are of the most interesting type, and the work that goes into some of your posts and threads is amazing.

Im not sure about the four sites you mentioned, as I dont go to many other than Linda's and a friend of Hobbit's, but as I see many making the move to PRC, there's a reason for it!

I find that when I have gone to the big four, there is a quagmire of..as you say...95 % BS.

And those guys screaming at me on you tube..good grief! ???

You know, there are a lot of folks who think the time is ripe for a major change on Earth this year, and I have to say I see a great deal of change happening already, as people seem to be either giving in to whatever is eating at them, or making the push for awareness as we are here.

Separation of the masses? Probably coming faster than we realize.

I for one shall always make the effort to shift the gears into overdrive, and keep sharing my ideas and thoughts with all of you here, and as I get better at making up threads, they will be more inviting hopefully. Im figurng out the buttons and such for thread starting and photo posting, so improve full circle is what I aim to do!

I dont have a ton of personal time, and most of my posting takes place either at late night, or from my jewelry bench. Looking over and seeing someone has replied to a thread Im following is a high point of my day, as is hopping into the pond with my sometimes odd way of sharing.

 I was trained by the best!

What I do have is an insatiable thirst for learning and sharing what I know, and thats what friends are truly for. Thousands of miles apart or not.

If everyone keeps the ball rolling, we can make a difference, and PRC is the forum all the others have tried in vain for years to do, and with the world shift we are experiencing, it's time fo this kind of forum, which holds honesty and knowledge at the forefront...PRC defined.

Thanks to all you moderators that take the time to make the forum flow smoothly, as it is a full time job for some. You guys and gals are all giving your personal time to keep the gears meshing here, and it shows!

And of course, thanks for your loving touch here, Z, it's obvious you care deeply for your craft, a true rennaisance man!

Tell those ferrets hi for me, and dont invite over too many space chicks, as all they want to do is play with your phasar gun!:D

Sleep well!
Dave
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on June 23, 2012, 03:05:09 pm
Greetings:

LE says it all...

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If everyone keeps the ball rolling, we can make a difference, and PRC is the forum all the others have tried in vain for years to do, and with the world shift we are experiencing, it's time fo this kind of forum, which holds honesty and knowledge at the forefront...PRC defined.

Thanks to all you moderators that take the time to make the forum flow smoothly, as it is a full time job for some. You guys and gals are all giving your personal time to keep the gears meshing here, and it shows!

And of course, thanks for your loving touch here, Z, it's obvious you care deeply for your craft, a true rennaisance man!

We're with you, man... all of us.

tfw
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on June 23, 2012, 03:15:31 pm
And I with all of you, brother Thor!

Tell those lake trout Im coming to visit someday!

Cheers!
Dave
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 09, 2012, 06:33:44 am
And I with all of you, brother Thor!

Tell those lake trout Im coming to visit someday!

Cheers!
Dave

The fishies be waiting...

Now, what the Heck was the focus of this thread?

Speaking of derailment and hijacking a thread... we guess that we might have been hitting on a nerve in the OP for 'other forces' to chime in - as usual.

IMHO, too much time, energy and bandwidth has/is being hijacked and attention diverted from the Original Premise:

Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?

Thank you all for your time, consideration and participation.

tfw
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 09, 2012, 07:00:05 am
Yes.  The answer is YES.  Most emphatically!

YES!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 07:59:06 am
Quote from: Linda Brown
The good topic posters are under attack.. the trolls and hoaxers are everywhere and the charlatans are getting the publicity...

Add the Quonset Huts deviation from its stated purpose to what it is now.....

Really? You destroyed the Hut beginning in February of '11. I can give specifics...er...pacifics but the reality is not what you are presenting here and I rebut it.

You create the situation and then blame whoever you choose.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 09, 2012, 08:10:40 am
Hey Thor, second thought on those lake trout....here's what happens instead sometimes...


[youtube]sH20EPUe1Y8[/youtube]


Happy Monday, and watch that approaching flotsam, it's very smelly and full of unwanted creatures!


(http://www.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_horizontal/article-images/tsunamidock-afp.jpg.crop_display.jpg)


Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 08:13:00 am


Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?

Thank you all for your time, consideration and participation.

tfw

Someone needs to "define" radiation, otherwise, my vote is no.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 09, 2012, 03:04:21 pm
What a double sided question. Of course we don't have the right to live in a radiation free environment. You have the means to free yourself from it by moving away from that area. You don't have the power to stop a nuclear power plant from being put up in your back yard if TPTB decide thats where it is going.

Can anyone here go their government and show high radiation levels and expect the government to actually do anything? If #4 reactor went critical tomorrow it will still be teusday and we go to work to pay the bills irradiated or not.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 03:06:32 pm
I would have thought that with this forum having so many scientific minded individuals, they would have seen through my answer and replied.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on July 09, 2012, 03:18:03 pm
Someone needs to "define" radiation, otherwise, my vote is no.

HELL with the definition :P

My vote is NO

I LIKE my Microwave Oven  A Citizen  made over 30 years ago and working fine (I guess that is why they went out of business)

No radiation means;

NO cell phones
NO TV
NO radio

NO Radiation means - NO Xrays to see where your broken

NO Radiation means - NO Sunlight which means NO Life on Earth

I am sure I missed many more :P

But one important one

NO Radiation means NO FREE ENERGY

How do you think Tesla was going to send you that stuff without wires?

On second thought, Yeah better define it... and keep that cell phone away from your head... it really does kill brain cells on long exposure

[youtube]http://saintleoinkblot.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/light-bulb.jpg[/youtube]

Maybe THAT is why people are dumbing down these days  ;D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on July 09, 2012, 03:19:52 pm
I would have thought that with this forum having so many scientific minded individuals, they would have seen through my answer and replied.

Some of those have been distracted playing Kindergarten Cop
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 03:20:56 pm
Some of those have been distracted playing Kindergarten Cop

Sorry....AHNOLD.  <g>

But you are correct and I should have known you would have caught it.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Fruitbat on July 09, 2012, 05:03:28 pm
The citizens of earth were originally provided with a largely radiation free environment to begin with.

All the radionuclides were safely buried usually far away  from peope in deserts until some clever idiots dug em up and refined them to make rods of pure hatred. Hatred, indeed for when you put those rods close to each other and frig about with the local radiological environment they get real angry. So angry in fact theat they spread their nastyness in teh form of radiation to anything that gets near.

Then the clever idiots invented "fast breeders" in order to make bountiful supply of foul substances like plutonium and polonium, for teh most ungodly of purposes, and electricity to power the TV sets, of course.   

We could stop this process at any time, but no one does.

SO IMHO We gave up our right to a radiation-free environment.

The only thing I've been able to do about it is reduce my electricity consumption to around 2-300 watts (for two of us) to show that we maybe COULD get by without nuclear energy, by being careful and frugal.

And yes I'll admit, that 2-300 watts means I have a very small fridge, no freezer, tumble dryer or air conditioning, but for most of recorded history, neither did anyone else!

Yer takes yer choices, mankind...
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 09, 2012, 05:27:41 pm
Way to go fruitybat!
Le:)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 09, 2012, 05:36:52 pm
The citizens of earth were originally provided with a largely radiation free environment to begin with.

All the radionuclides were safely buried usually far away  from peope in deserts until some clever idiots dug em up and refined them to make rods of pure hatred. Hatred, indeed for when you put those rods close to each other and frig about with the local radiological environment they get real angry. So angry in fact theat they spread their nastyness in teh form of radiation to anything that gets near.

Then the clever idiots invented "fast breeders" in order to make bountiful supply of foul substances like plutonium and polonium, for teh most ungodly of purposes, and electricity to power the TV sets, of course.   

We could stop this process at any time, but no one does.

SO IMHO We gave up our right to a radiation-free environment.

The only thing I've been able to do about it is reduce my electricity consumption to around 2-300 watts (for two of us) to show that we maybe COULD get by without nuclear energy, by being careful and frugal.

And yes I'll admit, that 2-300 watts means I have a very small fridge, no freezer, tumble dryer or air conditioning, but for most of recorded history, neither did anyone else!

Yer takes yer choices, mankind...

The word "radiation" is like the word "air", very general.

The word needs to be defined as to what type of radiation otherwise, anyone voting is not casting an informed vote and it is a vote of assumption.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 10, 2012, 04:51:04 am
In respect for the OP, the title, if sitting all by itself, with nothing else, this title would be very questionable and of course the answer is "No". Without the Suns radiation we would all be dead. But! Thorfourwinds wrote an extensive article to go with that title, that more than supports it. By pulling a title out of context is an unfair thing to do to writers. Look at every headline, in every paper. With out the article most of them are silly.
 
IMHO: I do believe that Thor drove home his thread title with the attached article.
 
I do remember on old saying; Don't judge a book by its cover. So I read the article.
 
In the article it is clear TFW is talking about nuclear radiation from power plants. My answer to that would be "Yes". The greed of money was the failure point in the Japan reactors. If a nuclear plant is designed, maintained, run and dismantled right there are no problems like the Japan incidence.
 
The best way to get rid of them is for this generation to develop a new method to make electricity. A cheaper, safer way! Then they will simply no longer be needed and go away. Deuem
 
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 10, 2012, 05:03:07 am
@ Fruitbat
 
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And yes I'll admit, that 2-300 watts means I have a very small fridge, no freezer, tumble dryer or air conditioning, but for most of recorded history, neither did anyone else!

Is that 2-300 per day or month? Do you live in a cold climate? The AC in my office alone is 7,000 watts/hour. And even that has a hard time keeping up. I will have to check but I think even my computers power supply is larger than 300 watts, maybe 400 or so. I would have to move to a colder place to dump the AC. It is almost 40C outside and with no AC it gets up in the 50ties inside very quickly. So no AC, what do you do in the cold?
 
I also agree about the "history and neither did anyone else" but they also died at 30 years old and got married at 12. Is not there a better way to do this?  Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 06:42:36 am
Deuem,

7,000 KW? We're not talking a window unit here are we? We are talking something with tonnage like a roof top unit?

If your line is 120V, which I am sure you are not due to your location, the current draw would be around 58+ Amps. That is some serious draw.

And even if the line is 220, we are still looking at 24+ Amps. Still a good draw.

Just curious mind you.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 10, 2012, 07:03:22 am
Hey, Dueum, try to stay cool in that shop, amigo, and dont worry about the math, it seems some wish to be the guru of something with every post.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a044Tx7aJYM[/youtube]

We all knew what you meant...well almost all of us.

Cheers!
LE
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 07:08:33 am
Hey, Dueum, try to stay cool in that shop, amigo, and dont worry about the math, it seems some wish to be the guru of something with every post.



We all knew what you meant...well almost all of us.

Cheers!
LE

It was a serious and honest question and for someone who claimed they wouldn't answer me anymore - put the flotsam in the trash - you sure can't resist.

We all see that you really didn't mean it either.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 07:14:55 am
Mikado

Your responses are interesting'

When you said

"It was a serious and honest question and for someone who claimed they wouldn't answer me anymore - put the flotsam in the trash - you sure can't resist

When Littleenki made the remark that he was putting flotsam in the trash..... there was no mention of your name..... why do you assume that he was talking about you?

And why do you assume that ANYONE would be inclined to believe a word that you say or pay attention to any of your directives. Its just a question .

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 07:18:58 am
Mikado

Your responses are interesting'

When you said

"It was a serious and honest question and for someone who claimed they wouldn't answer me anymore - put the flotsam in the trash - you sure can't resist

When Littleenki made the remark that he was putting flotsam in the trash..... there was no mention of your name..... why do you assume that he was talking about you?

Because he was...and oh so curious that you can specifically remember that comment when you seem to forget so many others.

And why do you assume that ANYONE would be inclined to believe a word that you say or pay attention to any of your directives. Its just a question .

Linda

Directives? You need to explain that before I can answer.

Mikado
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Linda Brown on July 10, 2012, 07:36:50 am
There is one right there

"Directives? You need to explain that before I can answer.

MikadoI don't NEED to do anything you direct Mikado.

Linda
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 07:40:12 am
There is one right there

"Directives? You need to explain that before I can answer.

MikadoI don't NEED to do anything you direct Mikado.

Linda

Quote from: quote
And why do you assume that ANYONE would be inclined to believe a word that you say or pay attention to any of your directives. Its just a question .

Then I can't answer your question since you won't explain what you mean by "directives".

And remember you DID ask a question and you are now making it so I can't answer. Be sure you remember that you created the situation, as you always do and then complain.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 10, 2012, 10:31:50 am
Deuem,

7,000 KW? We're not talking a window unit here are we? We are talking something with tonnage like a roof top unit?

If your line is 120V, which I am sure you are not due to your location, the current draw would be around 58+ Amps. That is some serious draw.

And even if the line is 220, we are still looking at 24+ Amps. Still a good draw.

Just curious mind you.

Mikado

Where I live most people use 220v. There is no 120v. We have split AC units that suck up energy faster than you can pay the bill. The blower is an inside unit about 6 feet tall and 3 hp. The compressor is outside and about 3ftsq x 2 ft deep. The humidity is the killer, today over 80 percent. If I leave any paper in my printers even for a few minutes they will curl up. It pumps out about 5 gallons in 2 to 3 hours when the humidity is high. Just from my office. Just my office is 30sq meters. Yes you can have a small party here and we have done so many times. WooHoo..
 
Mikado, I had to go back and check but I think I wrote 7000 watts and not 7000 KW. That should make a big difference. If I wrote KV, I made a mistake. It costs me about 175USD per month to run just the 3hp in my office. We also have other AC units to pay for, so it adds up fast.
 
I hope I cleared that up. My entire office is 380v 100 amp per ABC. So I can use a lot more than I need if I want to. I think that AC unit is on a 220v 20 amp self circuit, backed up on a 40a line sub panel, backed by 100a main then outside to another 100A panel (the electric company) which is behind 3, 60A fuses (me) which I have never blown in 10 years. I designed the electric boxes and wiring years ago and never once had a problem, everything runs cold while friends of mine have glowing wires. Where I am, in my office, we do all surface mount wiring. In side the plastic snap troughs. So when you leave you can pull the copper and sell it. I rent my office. If I owned it, it would be in the walls like my home.
 
Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 11:57:44 am
To those of You who misunderstand (deliberately, it would seem) the question posed in the OP...  The question is posed specifically to address nuclear waste and its dangers.

I have a right not to have a microwave oven in My home...in fact, I choose that (have You seen the plants watered with microwaved water???  If You're not choosing to eliminate that oven, I'm going to call You a fool).

I have a right to live without a cell phone, too...

But all that radiation is moot to the point of this thread.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on July 10, 2012, 12:25:32 pm
To those of You who misunderstand (deliberately, it would seem) the question posed in the OP...  The question is posed specifically to address nuclear waste and its dangers.

That is the intent yes, to address nuclear waste, but the title IS misleading to many who are scientifically minded. Pointing out the fact of life that humans have no choice but to live with certain levels of radiation is NOT derailing

Gamma rays from space are the SAME gamma rays from bombs.

SURE we need to eliminate Nuclear power the way it is now  sloppy, wasteful, dangerous... but no "Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?" we do not because we were created in a radiation environment

The uranium we refine is already in the ground... its what keeps the Earth's core molten which in turn produces the earths magnetosphere which in turn blocks MOST but not ALL the radiation from space

This is a research site, supposed to be anyway. As such we look at more than one side of the issue.

If you live in Denver you have chosen to live in a NATURAL Radiation Environment :D

Anti Nukes I support 100%  but NOT because I am against nuclear energy... I am against the stupid wasteful and dangerous METHOD of creating that nuclear energy

Shut the damn plants down now until we are smart enough to use the radiation PROPERLY... directly like a solar collecter so there is no waste, no leakage, not to boil water for a steam plant and contaminate everything around

Nuclear fuel is a NATURAL part of the planet Earth and the Universe... put simply the Sun is a nuclear fusion reactor. Without that we die  so we NEED radiation to survive

The argument is how certain members of the human race are abusing that at our expense

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I have a right not to have a microwave oven in My home...in fact, I choose that (have You seen the plants watered with microwaved water???  If You're not choosing to eliminate that oven, I'm going to call You a fool).

Call me a fool all you want... Sure you have a right not to have a microwave oven or a cell phone. but as to your "microwaved water" you DO realize that all rain water is microwaved, right? Microwave towers are all over the world sending radio waves TV Internet connections satellite signals and cell phone calls and a host of others.  Rain forms as drops in clouds..

ALL rain water is microwaved water. But the water does not STORE radiation... it passes THROUGH that water at the speed of light and has NO EFFECT on the hydrogen or oxygen that make up water.  If what you say is true, there would be no plants on Earth

Quote
I have a right to live without a cell phone, too...

Yup but as we speak you are being bombarded by microwaves

I hear people talk about Tesla and his wireless power.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_hl3--ATF8Qo/SRLDyeqeDMI/AAAAAAAAAJM/3uDmSKGx4ZY/s1600/wardenclyffe_tower.jpg)

Imagine hundreds of these around the world.... :D

Quote
But all that radiation is moot to the point of this thread.

No it is NOT  The thread doesn't say man Made Radiation :P
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 01:09:12 pm
[smile]  z, You're right.  [shrug] As for the microwaving of water...  Given that information offered by that Japanese guy - can't remember His name - that was featured in What the Bleep, clearly there are energetics of a different order that DO affect H2O.  The fact that rain may be microwaved and yet plants thrive still suggests a couple of possibilities:

1.  The energetics in those microwaves are of a different order than the ones in microwave ovens - the experiment that girl did with Her plants was repeated by others with the same results...so what the ovens create, at least, is a shift of SOME kind that is antithetical to life.

2.  The amount per cubic unit is too low to overcome positive energetic affects also being created (who knows - from positive thinking, perhaps?)

So...  To say microwaves do not affect the molecules of water beyond increasing their kinetic energy may be missing a vital part of the whole equation.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 10, 2012, 02:09:22 pm
[smile]  z, You're right.  [shrug] As for the microwaving of water...  Given that information offered by that Japanese guy - can't remember His name - that was featured in What the Bleep, clearly there are energetics of a different order that DO affect H2O.  The fact that rain may be microwaved and yet plants thrive still suggests a couple of possibilities:

1.  The energetics in those microwaves are of a different order than the ones in microwave ovens - the experiment that girl did with Her plants was repeated by others with the same results...so what the ovens create, at least, is a shift of SOME kind that is antithetical to life.

2.  The amount per cubic unit is too low to overcome positive energetic affects also being created (who knows - from positive thinking, perhaps?)

So...  To say microwaves do not affect the molecules of water beyond increasing their kinetic energy may be missing a vital part of the whole equation.

Too many variables to even argue here, was this water PURE or tap water? What else was in the water? What was the condition of the plant? Would normal water have done the same thing because the plant was dying in the first place? Did they pour the scalding water in the plant and kill it or was the water cooled first? Was the test results skewed by biased researchers? (Think global warming scam).

The fact of the matter is that there are not many places on earth you are not being irradiated. Even the soil beneath your feet contains trace amounts of background radiation. You might toss out the microwave but the soil is doing the same thing on a smaller scale.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 10, 2012, 02:25:19 pm

The best way to get rid of them is for this generation to develop a new method to make electricity.

A cheaper, safer way! Then they will simply no longer be needed and go away. Deuem

Greetings:

Thank you so very much for your kind words.

We certainly research our work and attempt to present the facts in a visually-pleasing way as opposed to a textbook-style of approach.

So you've been looking behind the curtains in the Main Hall ?


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Zorgon's got the good stuff under lock and key !   ;D :o :P :-\ :-* 8)


This one's for your edification and enjoyment, Mikado (http://www.ttownsendbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=956)...

"I Have Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1574.0)      ::)


Define away...


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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: sky otter on July 10, 2012, 04:36:26 pm
side note only

Given that information offered by that Japanese guy - can't remember His name - that was featured in What the Bleep, clearly there are energetics of a different order that DO affect H2O.   


it's dr. emoto
http://www.masaru-emoto.net/english/e_ome_home.html
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 07:06:30 pm
Too many variables to even argue here, was this water PURE or tap water? What else was in the water? What was the condition of the plant? Would normal water have done the same thing because the plant was dying in the first place? Did they pour the scalding water in the plant and kill it or was the water cooled first? Was the test results skewed by biased researchers? (Think global warming scam).

The fact of the matter is that there are not many places on earth you are not being irradiated. Even the soil beneath your feet contains trace amounts of background radiation. You might toss out the microwave but the soil is doing the same thing on a smaller scale.

It was tap water, I believe, divided up and one was heated over a gas flame, the other heated in the microwave.  Both were allowed to cool to room temp.  Then one plant was watered with the gas-heated water, the other with the microwave water.  Over a couple of weeks, the gas-heated watered plant thrived, the other plant died.

Several students thought that there might be such variables as You described, trying the experiment again Themselves.  And, lo, the same thing happened.  Now maybe They all had a sick plant and a healthy one, and all chose the sick one for the microwaved water...  But I struggle to believe that is the case.  If They all had one each of sick plants and healthy plants, One would expect a 50/50 occurrence.

And I think Your suggestion that  the test results skewed by biased researchers is amusing.  This was a school girl that thought it would be interesting to try and see.  She took pics of the plants along the way.  In the first pic, the plants both looked healthy, sitting side by side in a window.  By the last pic, the microwaved watered plant was brown, had not grown, had withered and was collapsed to the soil.  The gas-heated watered plant had grown, was green, was reaching upward.

So make of that what You will.

And yes, We have background radiation.  But We have evolved within that amount of radiation.


EDIT to add:  http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Ellirium113 on July 10, 2012, 07:37:11 pm
It was tap water, I believe, divided up and one was heated over a gas flame, the other heated in the microwave.  Both were allowed to cool to room temp.  Then one plant was watered with the gas-heated water, the other with the microwave water.  Over a couple of weeks, the gas-heated watered plant thrived, the other plant died.

Several students thought that there might be such variables as You described, trying the experiment again Themselves.  And, lo, the same thing happened.  Now maybe They all had a sick plant and a healthy one, and all chose the sick one for the microwaved water...  But I struggle to believe that is the case.  If They all had one each of sick plants and healthy plants, One would expect a 50/50 occurrence.

And I think Your suggestion that  the test results skewed by biased researchers is amusing.  This was a school girl that thought it would be interesting to try and see.  She took pics of the plants along the way.  In the first pic, the plants both looked healthy, sitting side by side in a window.  By the last pic, the microwaved watered plant was brown, had not grown, had withered and was collapsed to the soil.  The gas-heated watered plant had grown, was green, was reaching upward.

So make of that what You will.

And yes, We have background radiation.  But We have evolved within that amount of radiation.


EDIT to add:  http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm

Interesting...if all it takes is microwaved water to kill plants then there are about 4 million dandelions in my back yard that need a drink. Apparently they just get drunk off the commercial herbicides.   :P
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 10, 2012, 08:08:06 pm
Amy, that experiment may work as the molecular structure of the water is altered, causing it to not be absorbed into the cells of the plant. What it does is effectively dry out the plant and once that starts happening, it's all over for the plant, especially an annual which only grows for a year or so.

I dont think there should be any radiation in the water after microwaving, but it could become different isotopically.

Maybe a geiger counter would be helpful in finding the true cause, if not discounting the radiation theory.

And Ellirium...Im not one for commercial pesticides, but the only thing that kills dandelions in my front yard is atrazine, which also beats up the grass pretty bad.

Ive tried them all, and now I just mow em and say..."hey it's green now!" LOL!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 10, 2012, 09:06:19 pm
Greetings:



This one's for your edification and enjoyment, Mikado (http://www.ttownsendbrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=956)...

"I Have Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1574.0)      ::)


Define away...


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You have lost me. How does the photo improve me morally or provide to me guidance?

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 10, 2012, 10:32:48 pm
Amy, that experiment may work as the molecular structure of the water is altered, causing it to not be absorbed into the cells of the plant. What it does is effectively dry out the plant and once that starts happening, it's all over for the plant, especially an annual which only grows for a year or so.

I dont think there should be any radiation in the water after microwaving, but it could become different isotopically.

Maybe a geiger counter would be helpful in finding the true cause, if not discounting the radiation theory.

And Ellirium...Im not one for commercial pesticides, but the only thing that kills dandelions in my front yard is atrazine, which also beats up the grass pretty bad.

Ive tried them all, and now I just mow em and say..."hey it's green now!" LOL!

I contend, like that Japanese scientist whose name I can't remember suggests, that there is a level of energetics in water - that interacts between the molecules - that is disrupted, changed...  As one can focus the word, "Love," at the water and have beautiful arrangements and, "Hate," and ugly formations happen...

It is this energetic that is disrupted and "uglified..."
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 11, 2012, 12:34:01 am
I like the talk about the Microwave water. So I have to ask, How many people microwave their water before watering their plants? So what does this test show us. Ok don't do that! I never did it anyways. I always use my fish tank water and they grow like weeds. At the office, I use the fish pond water. Now, If some one were to microwave the water and give it to a mouse vs gas bolied water and the mouse died, then that would make more sence to me. Anyone got some mice they want to test? Come here Mickey!
 
Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 11, 2012, 01:16:56 am
I have no mice...  But I tell You what.  *I* don't eat microwaved foods.  Aside from the water, there have been tests of the chemical makeup of foods that have been miked, and they are changed.  Some into things Our bodies don't know what to do with.

But if convenience is worth health...  [shrug] Go for the mike.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 11, 2012, 06:19:27 am
I contend, like that Japanese scientist whose name I can't remember suggests, that there is a level of energetics in water - that interacts between the molecules - that is disrupted, changed...  As one can focus the word, "Love," at the water and have beautiful arrangements and, "Hate," and ugly formations happen...

It is this energetic that is disrupted and "uglified..."
Mornin' Amy!
That was Dr Emoto, and his experiments are legendary in the field of consciousness.

Now what does that radiated water do when the fukushima fallout hits it...I cringe to think.:(

Dr Emoto's website.... http://www.masaru-emoto.net/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8[/youtube]

(http://detoxifynow.com/Images/watermessages-e.jpg)

A chart with some ice crystals formed under certain sounds and intentions...very cool!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OS5LhrAaY_I/S46sDMstPhI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/dPmESppaMAo/s400/Picture+2.png)

That's a chart with water that passes through different places along it's flow....

I cant find any pics of microwaved water ice crystals, so I may have to get out the old microscope and do it myself:D

What I do know is when I do my Qi Gong, it is supposed to align not only the chakras, but also the molecules of the human body for better performance, and health.

It seems many who access the collective conscious have been able to change things about their lives that would otherwise be unnoticable..like health...until it manifests physically, and the ice crystal that was exposed to heavy metal music makes me wonder what iv been doing to my body and mind when I play that double bass and listen to some seriously heavy music...although I do love it;)

Damn, time for a snow cone!



Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 11, 2012, 07:57:39 am
That's the guy.  He should see what microwaving it looks like.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 11, 2012, 08:05:18 am
That's the guy.  He should see what microwaving it looks like.

I agree, Amy, and maybe in the interest of Japan's current state of affairs, he could get funding to see what Fukushima's fallout is doing to the people and the water of japan's beautiful islands.

A series of test involving different forms of radiation, and a video to go with it...Ill be e-mailing his foundation today, and suggest that.

Water is the building block of physical life, and when we mess with it, it might be worse than doing GMO and other experiments...bad humans...stop messing with mother nature!:(

Of course, I think of microwave popcorn...I wonder what happens to that GMO corn when it is microwaved?
Oh dear, another food off the list, pretty soon Ill only have my fingernails to eat!;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 11, 2012, 09:31:00 am
[shudder]  Microwave popcorn.  Eek!

Let Me know what Dr. Emoto (like Mr. Roboto...?) has to say.  (Really, it's funny His name has "emote" in it...working with the effects of emotions and all.)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 12, 2012, 12:27:15 am
All of this microwaved food is getting me hungry, except for the waved finger nails, I'll skip those.
 
I wonder if the slides we just saw were from a series of test and could be repeated or a one time deal. And what kind of water to start with? I thought that no two ice crystals were ever the same, like finger prints. The rock and roll water looked pretty relaxed while the Mozart water looked all up tight. With out knowing what really happened, It is hard to tell which one would be better to drink. If that info was in there somewhere and I missed it, please advise me. Chinese think all water should be warm to hot, while I think it should be cold, like nature gives it to us.
 
Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 12, 2012, 01:34:04 am
I think room temp water is best.  Refrigerated water is not good.  Yes, like nature offers.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 12, 2012, 02:26:36 am
Hi, are you sure about that?  Mountain streams, cold water, Melting snow, cold water, well water, cold. Stagnant water, warm.  Most moving water is the best to drink. It is always the best to bottle or drink. Maybe it is just a preference once you have it but I was thinking source material. 90 percent of the water I drink is very hot and mixed with coffee. The rest is as cold as I can get it. I have never even once gotten sick from drinking Ice Cold water. So water and beer, ice cold. Coffee and tea, very hot. Only some wine at room temp.  What do you have against refrigerated water?
 
Is this a source vs preference question?  Sorry this got a little off topic from the radiation.
 
Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 12, 2012, 02:58:08 am
Maybe the study I heard of was in error.  But it said that cold water shocks the system and over time is not good...  [shrug]  I will not say I know for sure on this.  Just regurgitating what a study said.  Cool water is ok, but cold water is not good...  [shrug]
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 12, 2012, 06:08:30 am
Drinking Ice Cold water, or any drink that is ice cold causes the blood vessels to contract. Secondly, this cold can be transmitted in close proximity to he heart. If you suffer with heart disease, this will cause angina, sometimes bad angina, and should be avoided.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 12, 2012, 06:14:07 am

Where I live most people use 220v. There is no 120v. We have split AC units that suck up energy faster than you can pay the bill. The blower is an inside unit about 6 feet tall and 3 hp. The compressor is outside and about 3ftsq x 2 ft deep. The humidity is the killer, today over 80 percent. If I leave any paper in my printers even for a few minutes they will curl up. It pumps out about 5 gallons in 2 to 3 hours when the humidity is high. Just from my office. Just my office is 30sq meters. Yes you can have a small party here and we have done so many times. WooHoo..
 
Mikado, I had to go back and check but I think I wrote 7000 watts and not 7000 KW. That should make a big difference. If I wrote KV, I made a mistake. It costs me about 175USD per month to run just the 3hp in my office. We also have other AC units to pay for, so it adds up fast.
 
I hope I cleared that up. My entire office is 380v 100 amp per ABC. So I can use a lot more than I need if I want to. I think that AC unit is on a 220v 20 amp self circuit, backed up on a 40a line sub panel, backed by 100a main then outside to another 100A panel (the electric company) which is behind 3, 60A fuses (me) which I have never blown in 10 years. I designed the electric boxes and wiring years ago and never once had a problem, everything runs cold while friends of mine have glowing wires. Where I am, in my office, we do all surface mount wiring. In side the plastic snap troughs. So when you leave you can pull the copper and sell it. I rent my office. If I owned it, it would be in the walls like my home.
 
Deuem

I was thinking 7 KW and reading the 7,000 at the same time. I should have proof read before hitting the post.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 12, 2012, 06:15:34 am
[shudder]  Microwave popcorn.  Eek!

Let Me know what Dr. Emoto (like Mr. Roboto...?) has to say.  (Really, it's funny His name has "emote" in it...working with the effects of emotions and all.)
I e-mailed his group, with te idea, Amy, we'll see what happens.
I just dont want to be accused of "Emote control" ;)

And that popcorn? GMO corn layered with chemicals, and popped in a microwave field?

Mmmm sounds good, how did Orville sell this stuff on us? :o

Le
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 12, 2012, 06:17:41 am
The same way cigarettes were sold and advertised by Doctors.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on July 12, 2012, 06:28:24 am
We used to be able to buy water radiators...for BETTER health! WTF???
Heres a PS article that describes how it was in fashion to drink irradiated water back in the early 1900's. We have come a long way, havent we...now just a hundred more years until everything is irradiated and the world will be a great place to live...NOT!
A quote from the article:

Quote
You might go so far as to say that Radon Water was a rip-off, which is exactly the pitch the Radium Ore Revigator company used to sell its "better," "more scientific" product: a watercooler lined with a serious amount of carnotite, an ore of uranium and radium that undergoes radioactive decay, yielding radon gas. Storing any water in this cooler overnight would give you fresh, potent, invigorating radon water to drink by morning. Unfortunately for those who used them, Revigators actually worked. (Today, of course, we run as fast as we can from radon; ridding basements of it is a big business.)

Many of the radioactive products marketed at the time, such as uranium blankets, contained radioactive materials, but at such low levels that they probably did little harm to consumers. But over time, companies started producing ever more powerful devices, most of them based on radium, the element with the strongest marketing appeal. The supremely scary Radiendocrinator was a 2-inch by 3-inch case that contained paper infused with 250 microcuries of radium, enough to illuminate a fluorescent screen placed near it. It was meant to be placed over—the very thought makes me shudder—the endocrine glands.

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2004-08/healthy-glow-drink-radiation

Well, if that aint crazy, this is even more....Undark the glowing fad..

Quote
US Radium employed hundreds of women at their factory in Orange, New Jersey, including Grace Fryer. Few companies at that time were willing to employ women, and the pay was much higher than most alternatives, so the company had little trouble finding employees to occupy the rows and rows of desks. They were required to paint delicate lines with fine-tipped brushes, applying the Undark to the tiny numbers and indicator hands of wristwatches. After a few strokes a brush tended to lose its shape, so the women’s managers encouraged them to use their lips and tongues to keep the tips of the camel hair brushes sharp and clean. The glowing paint was completely flavorless, and the supervisors assured them that rosy cheeks would be the only physical side effect to swallowing the radium-laced pigment. Cause for concern was further reduced by the fact that radium was being marketed as a medical elixir for treating all manner of ailments.

The owners and scientists at US Radium, familiar with the real hazards of radioactivity, naturally took extensive precautions to protect themselves. They knew that Undark’s key ingredient was approximately one million times more active than uranium, so company chemists often used lead screens, masks, and tongs when working with the paint. US Radium had even distributed literature to the medical community describing the “injurious effects” of radium. But inside the factory, where nearly every surface sparkled with radioluminescence, these dangers were unknown. For a lark, some of the women even painted their fingernails and teeth with radium paint on occasion, to surprise their boyfriends when the lights went out.

http://www.damninteresting.com/undark-and-the-radium-girls/

Wow, so I guess eating that GMO microcorn will be news in about 50 years, and we will say the same things then about it that we are saying about this madness!

Cheers(I think?)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 12, 2012, 06:33:20 am
Radium was put on wristwatch arms and numbers to be able to see in the dark.

Mikado
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: sky otter on July 12, 2012, 06:54:18 am
 ;D

the microwave water thing vs tap water reminds me of a study done long ago about white bread
my dad who has been gone since'85 just luved quoting it everytime we had bread..lol

the study was done on white sliced bread
rats fed the bread died from starvation
while
rats who ate cardboard were just fine

i never could verify that study but  we had lots of fun arguing about what was in cardboard

 ::)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on July 12, 2012, 07:18:19 am
I was thinking 7 KW and reading the 7,000 at the same time. I should have proof read before hitting the post.

Mikado

No problem, Just please allow me one get out of Jail card when I type a mistake. I did think that is what happened. Wow, 7000kw, I would be frozen to death.
 
To all;
Back on the radiation of water. On the examples I have seen here so far. Does anyone know if the same results can be done over and over. If I remembered right when I was in school I was told or lied to that every ice crystal is different. Who has a microscope and a microwave?  This should be an easy test and it runs in line with the thread. 
 
Also, don't we have a new member here from Japan.  Maybe he can get some samples done there. I forgot his name but he said he was an English teacher there. If he can do salt and fresh that would be interesting to see. Frozen or liquid....
 
Deuem,  hum, P&J on cardboard with a sprikle of nuked finger nails, maybe?
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Mikado on July 12, 2012, 07:31:27 am

No problem, Just please allow me one get out of Jail card when I type a mistake. I did think that is what happened. Wow, 7000kw, I would be frozen to death.

You have as many as you want, as long as you identify the first and it will be self renewing. <g>

A person who admits their mistakes is a person I want in the foxhole with me.

Mikado
 
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 12, 2012, 08:13:15 am
I e-mailed his group, with te idea, Amy, we'll see what happens.
I just dont want to be accused of "Emote control" ;)

And that popcorn? GMO corn layered with chemicals, and popped in a microwave field?

Mmmm sounds good, how did Orville sell this stuff on us? :o

Le

LOL!

Yeah, I have eaten maybe two dozen bags of that stuff in My life - and all many years ago.  Haven't used a mike in a very long time.  I have no idea how I was sold on eating the first nor why I ate any beyond that - but back then, I don't think it was GMO....
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on July 12, 2012, 08:27:59 am
We used to be able to buy water radiators...for BETTER health! WTF???
Heres a PS article that describes how it was in fashion to drink irradiated water back in the early 1900's. We have come a long way, havent we...now just a hundred more years until everything is irradiated and the world will be a great place to live...NOT!
A quote from the article:

...

Wow, so I guess eating that GMO microcorn will be news in about 50 years, and we will say the same things then about it that we are saying about this madness!

Cheers(I think?)

So...  We hear all these horror stories, but did anyOne ever hunt down these women (or what's left of them)?  Find out how life went for Them?  I'm very curious.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 06, 2012, 06:08:51 pm
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We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology.

We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology.

This is a prescription for disaster.

We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.
~ Carl Sagan



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Japan has established radiation safety standards for its seafood… (Tsuno/Getty)



Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland waters safe to eat 16 months after the Fukushima nuclear disaster?



25 July 2012

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source (http://www.straight.com/article-735051/vancouver/japans-irradiated-fish-...)
Berkeley Radiological Air and Water Monitoring Forum

Post-Fukushima, Japan's irradiated fish worry B.C. experts

Little-known statistics compiled by Japan’s Fisheries Agency have documented persistently high post-Fukushima radiation levels in fish.?Japan’s Fukushima catastrophe brings big radiation spikes to B.C.

Monitoring stations catch a fraction of Fukushima fallout

Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland waters safe to eat 16 months after the Fukushima nuclear disaster?


Governments and many scientists say they are.

But the largest collection of data on radiation in Japanese fish tells a very different story.



In June, 56 percent of Japanese fish catches tested by the Japanese government were contaminated with cesium-137 and -134. (Both are human-made radioactive isotopes—produced through nuclear fission—of the element cesium.)

And 9.3 percent of the catches exceeded Japan’s official ceiling for cesium, which is 100 becquerels per kilogram (Bq/kg). (A becquerel is a unit of radioactivity equal to one nuclear disintegration per second.)

Radiation levels remain especially high in many species that Japan has exported to Canada in recent years, such as cod, sole, halibut, landlocked kokanee, carp, trout, and eel.

Of these species, cod, sole, and halibut, which are oceanic species, could also be fished by other nations that export their Pacific Ocean catch to Canada.

The revelations come from the Japanese Fisheries Agency’s radiation tests on almost 14,000 commercial fish catches in both international Pacific and Japanese waters since March 11, 2011, when an earthquake and tsunami triggered multiple meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant.



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The wrecked plant spewed enormous amounts of radiation into the Pacific, where

cesium levels
near the Fukushima coast
shot up to an astonishing
45 million times
the pre-accident levels.


Nothing to see here, move along.


"Japan’s Fisheries Agency data is easily the most comprehensive on Fukushima’s radioactive impacts on the Pacific Ocean,

home to the world’s biggest fishery and a major food source for more than a billion people.

The numbers show that far from dissipating with time, as government officials and scientists in Canada and elsewhere claimed they would, levels of radiation from Fukushima have stayed stubbornly high in fish.


In June 2012, the average contaminated fish catch had 65 becquerels of cesium per kilo.

That’s much higher than the average of five Bq/kg found in the days after the accident back in March 2011, before cesium from Fukushima had spread widely through the region’s food chain."


In some species, radiation levels are actually higher this year than last.


The highest cesium level in all of the catches came in March—a year after the accident—when a landlocked masu salmon caught in a Japanese river was found to have a whopping 18,700 becquerels of cesium per kilogram—or 187 times Japan’s ceiling.

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Burnaby MD Tim Takaro says he now avoids eating fish from the vicinity of Japan. “I would find another source for fish if I thought it was from that area,” said Takaro, an associate professor in Simon Fraser University’s faculty of health sciences.

“There are way too many questions and not enough answers to say everything is fine,” Takaro said in a phone interview. “There is a need for monitoring. There isn’t any question in my mind about that.”

Takaro is a member of the Canadian antinuclear group Physicians for Global Survival (http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/physicians-for-global-survival-canada), which joined five other Canadian and international medical and environmental groups last week to issue a statement calling on the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, Ottawa, and U.S. authorities to monitor Pacific migratory fish and seafood imports from Japan and other nations that ply the Pacific with their fishing fleets.


“Doing this kind of monitoring is a fundamental responsibility of governments,” said Vancouver MD Erica Frank, who spearheaded the statement.


“People shouldn’t have to worry about radiation levels in the food they eat.”

Frank—a Canada Research Chair in UBC’s faculty of medicine and a past president of the Nobel Prize–winning U.S. group Physicians for Social Responsibility, another signatory of the statement—said she also avoids eating fish from Japan.

“I think it’s important to ask purveyors of Pacific food where it comes from,” she said.

Except when it not in the best interests of the USGOV/JAPGOV/NOAA/EPA, etc.


Check this out:


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Radiating Americans: Fukushima rain, Clinton's secret food pact (http://www.examiner.com/article/radiating-americans-fukushima-rain-clinton-s-secret-food-pact)

Government agreed to downplay Fukushima radiation

"Fukushima is far from stabilized according to energy advisor veteran with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, Arnie Gundersen who told Solar IMG Saturday that

Americans, not just in the Northwest, are unaware of being rained on with Fukushima nuclear hot particles and eating Fukushima contaminated food because the US government has deliberately minimized the catastrophe,

partially due to a pact Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed with Japan.


Gundersen, with a team of other scientists, intends to prove government statements about Fukushima are false.

"The United States came up with a decision to downplay Fukushima," said Gundersen who is awakening the public with information such as hot particles in rain will continue falling in the U.S., not just in the Pacific Northwest, for another year, and mentioning high-level fallout in Oklahoma a few days ago."


Did someone mention Ponca (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1218.msg34990#msg34990)?

We were on that one, too.



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Gundersen told SolarIMG that high-level people he knows in the State Department said Hillary Clinton signed a pact with her counterpart in Japan agreeing for the United States to continue buying food from Japan,

despite that food not being properly tested for radioactive materials.

"So we are not sampling the food coming into the United States," he said, repeating,

"The US government has come up with a decision at the highest levels of the State Department, as well as other departments who made a decision to downplay Fukushima."


In April, the month after the powerful tsunami and earthquake crippled Japan including its nuclear power plant,

"Hillary Clinton signed a pact with Japan that she agreed there is no problem with Japanese food supply and we will continue to buy them so we are not sampling food coming in from Japan"

according to Gundersen.



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Nicholas Fisher is one of the few U.S. scientists studying Fukushima’s impacts on migratory fish in the Pacific.

Fisher said he was surprised when told about the high cesium levels in the Japanese fisheries data. It makes him leery of eating fish from Japanese waters, he said.

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“Those are high numbers. It would give me pause if I were eating fish in Japan.…Imported fish are also a concern,” said Fisher, a marine-sciences professor at New York’s Stony Brook University. Fisher added in a phone interview that the persistently high cesium numbers may be a sign that the Fukushima plant is still leaking radiation into the ocean.


Trying to limit your radiation exposure from fish?

Governments haven’t given much information on which species were hardest hit, but the Japanese data gives good clues.

Yet it has gotten virtually no notice from journalists or scientists in North America.

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The data shows the contamination has remained high in both saltwater species and freshwater fish found in Japanese lakes and rivers. Especially high cesium levels have been found in recent months in these saltwater species: halibut (a catch in May 2012 had 570 Bq/kg), sole (a catch in January had 180 Bq/kg), and cod (a catch in February had 260 Bq/kg).

All of these catches exceed Japan’s 100 Bq/kg ceiling for cesium in food, but none would have surpassed Canada’s much higher ceiling,

which is 1,000 Bq/kg.



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WTF?


Freshwater species such as trout, carp, and (landlocked) masu and kokanee salmon have also recently shown very high cesium levels, as have eels, which live in both fresh and salt water. (See table for details.) Also troubling:


except for sole and cod, all of these species had their highest cesium readings in 2012, not 2011.


A big question here is the fate of the salmon.

Some migratory B.C. salmon stray into Japanese waters or could traverse a vast mass of radioactive water—now slowly making its way eastward across the Pacific—which is expected to reach the North American west coast by 2017, extending from Vancouver Island southward to Baja California (according to a July 9 report in Environmental Research Letters).

The Japanese data tells us a little about how some salmon species were affected.


Half of the 10 coho salmon tested since the Fukushima disaster were contaminated with cesium.

50% of the salmon are already radioactive...



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One coho caught in Japanese coastal waters last October had 114 Bq/kg of cesium, surpassing Japan’s ceiling. Chum salmon, on the other hand, showed much less contamination than coho, with only nine of 257 chum catches since the accident testing positive for cesium.

The highest amount detected was eight Bq/kg in a catch last November.

Among the hardest-hit fish species are landlocked salmon. Every one of the 42 kokanee (a landlocked sockeye salmon) tested since March 2011 had at least some cesium contamination. Japan exported $430,000 of kokanee to Canada in the first four months of 2012, according to Statistics Canada figures.


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A kokanee with 200 Bq/kg was caught in April of this year, according to the Japanese data. In both May and June, kokanee with 180 Bq/kg were caught.

But the record for most cesium in all the fish catches was handily set by the landlocked masu salmon (native to the Western Pacific) that registered 18,700 Bq/kg in March.

Statistics Canada data shows Japan exported $37,000 worth of “Pacific, Atlantic, and Danube salmon” to Canada in the first four months of 2012.

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada spokesperson James Watson said by phone from Ottawa that his department doesn’t know if Canada has imported masu salmon from Japan.


And just why would this be, pray tell?

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said in a July 17, 2012, statement that Canada has imported one shipment of masu salmon, in October 2011, since Fukushima.

The statement says the product was processed in the U.S., the shipment’s country of origin was not disclosed by the importer, and the product was not tested for radiation.

(Masu salmon is also found in other parts of East Asia.)


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CFIA spokesperson Lisa Gauthier refused to make someone available to answer questions on fish monitoring.

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Japanese finance ministry trade data, however, shows Japan exported 120 kilograms of masu salmon to Canada in April 2011, directly after the nuclear accident.

The test data does have some better news for other species. Tuna, octopus, and anchovies (as well as seaweed) have all seen declining cesium levels since last winter after much higher contamination in the six to nine months after the accident. Even so, however, 69 percent of anchovies still had some cesium contamination in June (the highest level was 5.5[ Bq/kg), and so did 32 percent of tuna (the highest reading was 1.9 Bq/kg).

Cesium levels in tuna could still go up as they become more exposed to radioactive water near Japan, said Stony Brook University’s Fisher.

Fisher cowrote a study in May 2012 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that reported that of 15 Pacific bluefin tuna caught off the California coast, all had radioactive cesium from Fukushima. The tuna had an average of 10.3 Bq/kg when they were caught last August.



That’s 100% radioactive
cesium contamination
for you folks in Rio Linda.



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The amounts are below government ceilings, but government regulators and scientists generally agree that

no amount of
radiation is safe.

For example, Canada’s ceiling for radiation is set at a level that allows 5,000 to 8,000 cancers per million people over a 70-year lifetime of exposure, according to Health Canada’s models and those of a landmark 2006 U.S.

National Academy of Sciences report on cancer risk from radiation. (About half of the cancers would be fatal.)

Health Canada’s ceilings for chemical carcinogens are generally set at levels that cause a maximum of one to 10 lifetime cancers per million people.


Authorities in Canada dismiss the calls for monitoring.

“Not involved, not involved,” said Tom Kosatsky, the B.C. Centre for Disease Control’s acting medical director of environmental health services, when asked about monitoring of radiation in Pacific fish.
“It’s a federal responsibility,” he said in a phone interview.


In the past, the CFIA has said it has no plans to monitor Pacific fish or imports from Japan and other countries whose fishing fleets plumb the Pacific.


The agency briefly monitored Japanese food imports from the vicinity of Fukushima after the accident, but ceased the tests in June 2011. It also did radiation tests on a dozen fish caught in B.C. coastal waters last August and another 20 in February 2012, finding no cesium, according to the CFIA website.


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The B.C. Seafood Alliance’s Christina Burridge said in a phone interview last January that she was surprised the CFIA wasn’t doing more tests.

She said the agency last year promised her group, an umbrella of Pacific seafood-harvesting associations, that it would test Pacific salmon and tuna returning to B.C. waters in 2012 and 2013 because those fish may have migrated close to Japan.

Burridge couldn’t be reached for comment by press time.


So, it appears that the CANGOV is complicit in the worldwide Fukushima 24/7/365 radioactive contamination of all foodstuffs and now, all the fish in the sea.

Who is benefitting from this travesty?

Certainly not we, the people.


Meanwhile, Japan’s seafood exports to Canada seem to be growing despite Fukushima and reports that the accident kneecapped the Japanese fishing industry.

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Japan exported $6.9 million of fish and crustaceans to Canada in the first four months of 2012, according to Statistics Canada, which would work out to $20.7 million per year if averaged. That would be up from $16.3 million in 2011, which itself was higher than the 2010 total of $15.4 million.

Other nations are growing more leery of Japanese seafood. In June, South Korea temporarily banned the import of 35 Japanese seafood products—such as flatfish, clams, and sea urchins—due to radiation concerns, adding to a list of 29 other Japanese seafoods that the country had banned earlier.

It all leaves Vancouver doctor Frank bewildered by the government response here.

“It struck me as such a poor public-health decision not to monitor. This requires urgent action, but it just doesn’t seem to register on anyone’s radar,” she said.

Frank is now writing a book about the struggle to get authorities to monitor fish after Fukushima.

She said she thinks of it as a murder mystery. “There are no bodies, but as a specialist in preventive medicine, I worry about increased mortality from the fish,” she said.



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Scientists now fear though that contaminated water is on course to America, and it could be more toxic than thought.

Researchers have released the findings of an intense study into the aftermath of last year’s Fukushima nuclear disaster and warn that the United States isn’t exactly spared just yet.


In fact, scientists now fear that within one year incredibly contaminated ocean waters will have spread over the entire western half of the North Pacific and in a matter of only five years, it is predicted to reach the US West Coast, and

the toxicity of those waves could eventually be worse than what was seen in Japan.


WTF?


After 10 years the concentrations become nearly homogeneous over the whole Pacific, with higher values in the east, extending along the North American coast with a maximum off Baja California.

The problem is, this prediction is based on only what has been released so far, but this is on-going, and

radioactive contamination
will continue indefinitely.

This does not account for the possibility of the collapse of spent fuel pool #4, or of any additional meltdowns of other reactors.
 

Check out this great video of the destroyed Fukushima reactors by our friend, Ms Milky:


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And the threat to US national security - as well as the implications to the global economy a nuclear contamination multiple-times more devastating than Chernobyl poses to America - may have been the impetus for President Obama’s rapid-fire signing of the Executive Orders of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in January and the National Defense Resources Preparedness Act (NDRPA) in March 2012.

There was an actual letter that came from the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) telling physicians in California not to put people on potassium iodide (KI). 

And the only thing that you can surmise from that is they didn’t want to panic people; they didn’t want them to know how bad the situation is. 

But the problem is that the situation is ongoing. Those reactors are steaming constantly. . . They’re dumping 100,000 tons of water daily on the reactors and spent fuel pools 24/7 and that water is going into the ocean.

Our storms are generated out of this huge radiation slick off the coast of Japan and this all gets rained out over the West Coast of Canada and the United States.


In addition, Fukushima’s Unit 3 reactor also used MOX [mixed oxide], a plutonium-uranium fuel mixture that is horrific in its implications for the citizens of our beloved Mother Earth.



A single milligram of MOX
is 2 million times more deadly
than enriched uranium.



Any reasonable safety precautions or realistic evacuations never took place at Fukushima or elsewhere. In addition, a collection of 40-years worth of 600,000 spent fuel rods posed an immediate HazMat threat that never went away.

The water poured over them evaporated into radioactive steam to go directly into our planet’s atmosphere and the tons of sea water sprayed on the entire nuclear conflagration were criminally dumped into the Pacific Ocean - and contaminated water is released to the Pacific Ocean 24/7/365 - as you read this.
 
Again, because it was not monitored, we will never know how many millions of tons of radioactive water were dumped into the Pacific Ocean.


The entire web of ocean life then was irreversibly contaminated with radioactive nuclear waste and detritus, as the ocean currents carried this nightmare to the West Coast shores of North America (California, Oregon, Washington, and Vancouver).


As with other major planetary bodies of water, the Pacific Ocean has become an enormous radioactive garbage dump of incalculable proportions that are beyond any remediation currently known to science.
 
From the great and magnificent whales to the variety of microscopic life, this entire vast ecosystem has been poisoned.

Yet, we will never know the immense extent of death and destruction that Fukushima caused to it. Even knowing that the ocean food chain is contaminated with radioactivity, this was not reported by mainstream media.


So, the fishing industry is catching and selling various fish and crustaceans that are radioactive, and has been doing so for over 9 months.    :o


How many tons of these have gone up through the entire food chain, and then sold to uninformed consumers who eat these HazMat foods?


It seems profits always trump the safety and well-being of we, the people.

 
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While millions will develop various radiation-related illnesses (cancers and diabetes, as well as radiation-induced miscarriages, stillbirths and birth deformities) over the next decades, the coffers of the medical profession, pharmaceutical companies, and nuclear industry will be bursting with profits.

Medical reports are already showing a significant rise in deaths due to Fukushima’s radioactive fallout. Infants are hardest hit because their tissues are rapidly multiplying, they have undeveloped immune systems, and the doses of radioisotopes are proportionally greater than for adults.

This massive and frightening crisis is the result of no precaution, no prevention, and no care or concern for human or any other kind of life on our planet. None of this is mainstream news. The dangers of the nuclear age continue to mount with off-the-scale disastrous results to all of us.


The Environmental Protection Agency suddenly stopped testing rainwater, soil and milk for contamination two weeks following the disaster.


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But private tests conducted after the EPA stopped its testing, including ones performed by the University of California at Berkeley, in particular, reported in November 2011, that the levels of cesium in cow’s milk are actually 150 percent higher than they were in April of 2011.


The EPA stopped testing because its reports would eventually become available to the public


through the inevitable Freedom of Information requests, as a possible reason for the EPA’s withdrawal and the progressively worsening data it would need to conceal through time.
 
Most of the world community is still unaware of the extremely profound and far-reaching effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster has had.


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Infants in California were exposed to 40,000 becquerels of iodine 131—that causes thyroid cancer—from Mar. 17 to the beginning of April 2011. Forty million Japanese are in “extreme danger” of life-threatening radiation poisoning.

The northern hemisphere has been well nuked by Fukushima already but many are preparing for act two of the Fukushima drama - when and if building No. 4 goes down - lighting a nuclear fire that will burn through people’s cells the world over.



If the people of all the nations of the world really understood the implications of the actual ‘fallout’ – past, present and future – the current nuclear energy paradigm would be systematically shut down and replaced with a mixture of safe, clean alternative energy - solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, biomass and 'new energy'.



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That’s why TPTB are so afraid of Earth Aid, the Concert to Save Planet Earth. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1405.0)      ;)

When citizens of Planet Earth who desire a radiation-free future are united through the magic of music and become truly informed as to the challenges and solutions of nuclear power, they will speak in one voice: DENY NUCLEAR (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1177.0#top)



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However, the global mass-media apparatus continues to be instrumental in maintaining the ‘deafening silence’ on all things nuclear.

Meanwhile, the radioactive fires rage on, bringing ‘hot particles’, cancer and mutation to every corner of the globe.


The Fukushima nuclear disaster is one of the greatest industrial disasters of modern times – brought about by people who promised “safety,” should have known better, and refused to listen to anyone with a differing opinion.


Record cesium level detected in Fukushima fish (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120822a6.html)


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Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday it detected a record-high 25,800 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium in fish sampled within 20 km of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

The figure is 258 times the level of cesium the government deems safe for consumption, indicating that radioactive contamination in the area remains serious more than a year after the nuclear crisis started.

According to the Fisheries Agency, the previous high for radioactivity density in fish was 18,700 becquerels per kilogram detected in cherry salmon.

Tepco said two greenlings caught Aug. 1 at a depth of 15 meters were used for the sampling. The Fisheries Agency also checked the fish and detected the same density level.

21 August 2012

USA Seafood Safety Testing

Radiation Limits/Potential
Radioisotope half-lives: Cesium-126 (1.64 minutes); Cesium-129 (1.336 days); Cesium-131 (9.69 days);
Cesium-132 (6.48 days); Cesium-133 (stable); Cesium-134 (2.065 years); Cesium-135 (2,300,000 years); Cesium-136 (13.16 days); Cesium-137 (30.2 years); Cesium-138 (32.2 minutes); Cesium-139 (9.3 minutes).

DECAY PATHWAY: Cesium-134, half-life 2.065 years, decays via beta(-) emission (27% ,88.6 keV maximum, 23.1 keV average energy; 70% ,668 keV maximum, 210 keV average energy) and gamma emission (abs intensities: 97.6% 605 keV; 85.5% 796 keV; 15.4% 569 keV) to barium-134, half-life stable

DECAY PATHWAY: Cesium-137, half-life 30.07 years, 5.6% decays via beta(-) emission (5.6%, 1176 keV maximum, 416.3 keV average energy) to barium-137, half-life stable; 94.4% decays via beta(-) emission (514 keV maximum, 174 keV average energy) to barium-137m, half-life 2.55 min, decays via isomeric transition (gamma emission, 661.6 keV) to barium-137, half-life stable

http://webwiser.nlm.nih.gov/getSubstanceData.do;jsessionid=1B2395F40B4CB...
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm247403.htm
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/UCM290179.xls


Here's an example for skeptics.

The Japan Times reported on 12 March 2012, ONE FULL YEAR after the accident began, that radiation inside reactor building 2 was too high for robots and fatal to humans. That means is that if humans went into the building exposing themselves to radiation in the air for 7 minutes they would die within a month.

Now, ask yourself: where is that radiation coming from since TEPCO says they have "everything under control?"

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120329a1.html


The level of complicity, duplicity, stupidity,
and lack of humility and human sympathy
boggles the mind.



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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on September 08, 2012, 01:30:11 am
Wow Thor, you do some really good workups, Glad to know you. Nothing gets by you.
 
I want to ask a silly Deuem question, I seem to never get a good answer for. What would happen if they really blew off a Nuke above the crippled plants. Would it make it worse or insinerate everything and have the problem go away. Nukes vs radiation leaks are different. Look at Japan, the US nuked 2 cities and they are back in business. No long term 10,000 year problems. I know the problem is spilling all over the world now, but if they did this would it stop the main reason, if so then they should have done it in the first few days. Is this a fight fire with fire option?
 
Have you ever heard of this option?  Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Pimander on September 08, 2012, 03:18:21 am
Radiation free environment?  Mobile cellphones are a source of radiation and so is your computer monitor.  We are sources of radiation too.  It is working out which sources of radiation are harmful that is the problem.

Should we remove sources of radiation that we know are harmful?  If so we need to remove overhead power lines from populated areas, the cellphone network, power from nuclear fission and much more.  That means SERIOUS changes....
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: petrus4 on September 08, 2012, 04:53:43 am
I'm personally pretty much over the entire concept of rights, to be brutally honest.  Apart from anything else, the concept has been enormously diluted and corroded in recent years by the Fabian/Frankfurt school Left, manifesting in terms of the feminist/gay movements, etc.  These movements are more or less entirely non-rational, and define a "right," as literally anything they want, at a given moment in time.  This is by design.

The other thing to understand about rights, is that basically what a right is, is an exception which is granted, in what is otherwise assumed to be an environment of complete tyranny.  In other words, if you have a list of rights, said list defines the least amount of benefit that you can expect to obtain, by being a party to the collective agreement which is bound by said rights.

I have always defined a right, as an extension of this, as being something which an individual must have in order to maintain a state of biological survival; in other words, something which, if it is removed from or denied to the individual, the individual will die, and therefore humanity will not be able to survive at all. 

It is provable that an individual human being will die, if exposed to radiation above a certain level.  In other words, if you still want to operate within a rights-based paradigm, then yes, an individual does have the right to be in an environment where radiation is kept at levels which are conducive to survival.

As opposed to a scenario where we have rights granted by a centralised, presumably psychopathic authority, what we really need is a scenario where authority is decentralised and completely non-hierarchical, and where we therefore no longer have a group of psychopaths, who have appointed themselves to decide, whether or not the rest of the population gets what it needs to survive.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Pimander on September 08, 2012, 05:18:13 am
As opposed to a scenario where we have rights granted by a centralised, presumably psychopathic authority, what we really need is a scenario where authority is decentralised and completely non-hierarchical, and where we therefore no longer have a group of psychopaths, who have appointed themselves to decide, whether or not the rest of the population gets what it needs to survive.
I differ from you to an extent.  I agree that wherever possibly, control should be decentralised.  I do, however, favour a centralised body that organises infrastructure and stops things like a social or economic unit from going rogue (for example using radioactive power sources that kill everyone else).

For either of our scenarios to be possible requires either a smaller population or a much more educated and enlightened one.  Looks as though we might be in for  a long wait sadly.

I hate to say it but benevolent dictatorship is the best we can hope for right now.  Lets get to work on the future.  8)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: sky otter on September 08, 2012, 10:16:26 am
 :-\

i have thought for a long time that the radiation (in it's many forms friendly and not) and the cancers, etc. that it causes are just beginning forms of our continuing evolution
to survive in
 a universe we haven't gotten aquainted with yet..

i feel we are living thur a rapid pace of human evolution
looking at it in the smallest way and not seeing the whole picture or where we are even going

we may end up with no nose and three arms..or otherwise unrecognizable to now
but hey, just my crazy way of looking at it

not calling it good or bad.. it just is
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Fruitbat on September 15, 2012, 06:49:15 am
Citizens of earth only have the "rights" that they are interested to seize for themselves.

So whilst you do have a "right" to form sexual relationships that are (biologically speaking) meaningless and if we all took up those rights would lead to the eradication of human life, (when all the existing ones die and are not replaced by new ones), and this is a "right" that is discussed constantly in the media, you do not have a right to be protected or even warned properly from massive doses of ionising radiation.

Because when people like me for the last 30 years have been trying to educate the rest of us in the simple (And GOD, it is so damn simple) concept that nuclear power is a dumb idea, and you all ignored us, or at least were too apathetic to spread the message, or actually take action and protest, then effectively you waived all of ours, and our decendents for millenia's rights to a radiation free environment.

We could have all done more about this problem and still possibly could (although it seems a bit late now to my way of thinking) but really, to get any change at all, everyone who reads this thread would need to take no rest until they understand the issues enough to realise the gravity of the situation, and have then converted at least ten "normal" people, not into mere concerned citizens to to actual missionaries who will convert another ten etc.

Not going to happen. We'll survive Fukushima (probably) but the next one will be an even bigger release of radioactivity, until we eventually knacker ourselves and the ecology up. Becuse no one likes being too cold or too warm or too bored to actually seriously think about shutting the friging things down and consequently using less energy until we get something that IS sustainable and at an acceptable (IE zero) risk ecologically speaking!

(Sorry about the bad language, but I can't think of a better way of putting it).
SHUT THE frigING THINGS DOWN RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THEM. NOW. PLEASE).

Just as I am sure Mr Tepco would get mighty upset if I took a steaming dump in his living room whilst he and his family are eating dinner, I am mighty upset that his power plant has taken a radioactive steaming dump in the air which is now in my living room whilst I am trying to eat my dinner. UNlike my steaming dump which nature will render harmless and inoffensive in a few short days, his steaming dump will spread it's joy for eons.

ODDLY enough, it's my steaming dump that would galvanise society to take remedial action really quickly, I'd be in jail or a mental hospital, and Mr Tepco's family receiveing trauma counselling lickety split...

An oddly non-reciprocal arrangement, doncha think?

I've clearly been driven round the twist by irrational fear, and am reduced to running around in circles repeatedly shoutiing the (radioactive) sky is falling, so move along folks, nothing new to see here, but a mad person, complaining about non-existent dangers, that even if they were real couldn't affect YOU.


MADASA FRUITBAT esq. !
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: sky otter on September 15, 2012, 07:54:27 am


fruitbat

while most here probably agree with you and may have personally protested a bit or not
you have to know
 that the masses aren't looking up..they have to keep their noses to the old grindstone so they can watch mtv and have some new gadgets to keep up with the other nose to the grindstone folk and that is their only discussion
except
for maybe noticing the nutzo complaining about where their eletricity , that-they-couldn't-live-without comes from

if they are the meek (for not doing anything) and they will inherit the earth..
i guess they will be welcome to it
sad..ain't it

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/52293410.gif)   (http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/2468811.gif)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: robomont on September 15, 2012, 11:59:17 am
regarding the machine that turns nuclear waste into electricity.
sounds like a transformer with a hole in the middle for holding nuclear waste.
iron pot?
a thousand wraps of a single fine insulated wire?
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 16, 2012, 12:53:37 pm
regarding the machine that turns nuclear waste into electricity.
sounds like a transformer with a hole in the middle for holding nuclear waste.
iron pot?
a thousand wraps of a single fine insulated wire?

Greetings:

Microbes turn nuclear waste into electricity (http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/58306-microbes-turn-nuclear-waste-into-electricity)
Posted on September 7, 2011 - 03:10 by Kate Taylor


(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/September%202012%20One/fukushima_nuclear.jpg)

Researchers at Michigan State University have developed a new strain of a microbe which can efficiently clean up nuclear waste and other toxic metals while generating electricity.

Uranium contamination can be produced at any step in the production of nuclear fuel. And while it's been known for some time that Geobacter can immobilize uranium, the UM team has discovered that the secret to the decontamination process is nanowires - hair-like appendages found on the outside of Geobacters. It's been able to tailor the organism accordingly.

"Geobacter bacteria are tiny micro-organisms that can play a major role in cleaning up polluted sites around the world," says MSU microbiologist Gemma Reguera.

"Our findings clearly identify nanowires as being the primary catalyst for uranium reduction. They are essentially performing nature's version of electroplating with uranium, effectively immobilizing the radioactive material and preventing it from leaching into groundwater."

The nanowires also shield Geobacter and allow the bacteria to thrive in a toxic environment, she added.

In a test, researchers injected acetate into contaminated groundwater. Since this is Geobacter's favorite food, it stimulated the growth of the Geobacter community already in the soil, which in turn, worked to remove the uranium.

Reguera and her team of researchers were able to genetically engineer a Geobacter strain with enhanced nanowire production. The modified version improved the efficiency of the bacteria's ability to immobilize uranium proportionally to the number of nanowires, while subsequently improving its viability as a catalytic cell.

Reguera has filed patents to build on her research. It could lead to the development of microbial fuel cells capable of generating electricity while cleaning up after environmental disasters, she says.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on September 23, 2012, 07:31:12 am
I say it's time to Geobacter the planet...
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Littleenki on September 23, 2012, 08:09:12 am
I say it's time to Geobacter the planet...

Indeed, I can digest that idea easily, Amy!

Le
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Fruitbat on October 14, 2012, 09:06:54 pm

fruitbat

while most here probably agree with you and may have personally protested a bit or not
you have to know
 that the masses aren't looking up..they have to keep their noses to the old grindstone so they can watch mtv and have some new gadgets to keep up with the other nose to the grindstone folk and that is their only discussion
except
for maybe noticing the nutzo complaining about where their eletricity , that-they-couldn't-live-without comes from

if they are the meek (for not doing anything) and they will inherit the earth..
i guess they will be welcome to it
sad..ain't it

(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/52293410.gif)   (http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/2468811.gif)

Thing is we could actually do it.
I'm fairly advanced in my plan to leave the electricity grid.
The trick is to reduce your power consumption, whilst keeping your living standards up.
Managing heat is crucial because most of the hardcore power eaters tend to be heaters (or coolers)
Most of the time I now draw around 250-400watts, wheras it used to be 400-700watts.
This means that if eberyone made similar changes to me, we could switch off the nuclear tomorrow.
Whne I have it complete (if I ever do) I'll see if I can do a small business, selling off the grid stuff, like LED bulbs, efficient appliances and solar cells, together with the UPS, batteries, and self starting diesel generator running of surplus jet fuel Etc. Maybe I can use ther normal guy's consumer instinct to SELL a solution..

Dunno if it is the same in the US but here in the UK when a maintainance is done requiring the fuel tanks to be drained from a civil jet, the fuel is not allowed to be returned to the aircraft. Apparently they pay a small fee to have it taken away!

My fellow engineers tell me it runs diesel cars just fine... IF I can solve the problems of secure bunded storage, then I would consider installing a oil fired boiler as well.

I just don't want to be a part of that problem any more.

Fruitbat!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 01, 2013, 07:07:41 pm
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A “Long-lasting” Job at Fukushima Dai-ichi One: Women 18-62 Wanted (http://fukushimavoice-eng.blogspot.com/2013/03/a-long-lasting-job-at-1f-women-18-62.html)

A job opening at Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant:  women accepted!

By company “Authentic” in Okuma-cho, Futaba-gun, Fukushima Prefecture

Job starts in May.
You can make money!  We will let you make money!  It’s a job even women can do.
This job will last a very long time.  
Urgently looking for someone with physical and mental strength.
Job location is Fukushima Dai-ichi NPP (1F) with low dose radiation (10-20 ?Sv)/day.
Job description is clean-up activity.
Protective suits and masks to be worn.
Lodging in Iwaki-city being arranged.
Daily wage 16,000 yen (about $150) for an 8-hour day, no extra pay for danger
Actual work hours per day = about 4 hours (short hours in summer)
Wage payment will be deposited into your bank account by the end of the following month.
Car commuting is allowed, staying in Hirono-cho on your own and taking a bus from there.
No meals provided, but under negotiation now.
Job period is 5 to 10 years, or until the reactors are decommissioned.
Other decontamination jobs also available for the same wage.
Many other jobs available.

How to apply for the job:
Please e-mail your name, age, and your contact address.
Limit 100 applicants
After checking your e-mail, we will notify you as to if you are hired.
Eligibility: No membership in yakuza or anti-social organization.  We will check into this when reviewing your application.  No tattoo or missing finger.  Your own health insurance required.
Age limit: under consideration, but will most likely be between age 18 and 62.
Applicant limit: 100

We look forward to receiving your application.

Original information, as copied below, can be found here:
http://jp.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=cdd3b79212a35070
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2013, 03:15:36 am
$150.00 a day? for a four hour day?   only 100 applicants?   Hmmmm

"Job period is 5 to 10 years, or until the reactors are decommissioned."

I dunno... sounds FISHY... because when the Russians cleaned up Chernobyl they used 500,000 people and only allowed them in for MINUTES at a time....


Not buying this one :P   It's a Kamakasi Mission :P

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/172/8/8/Wallpaper___Kamikaze_by_necrolz.jpg)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on May 02, 2013, 03:26:15 am
Whne I have it complete (if I ever do) I'll see if I can do a small business, selling off the grid stuff, like LED bulbs, efficient appliances and solar cells,

I am not fond of LED light but regular light bulbs come in 12 volt format... same bulb.  These would run directly of solar panels and a couple car batteries. This system is easy to find TODAY at any marina or RV parts seller.

Simple to run 12 volt wires in your house, they even make self adhesive wire mold to run them surface and still be in code, without needing an electrician


Quote
My fellow engineers tell me it runs diesel cars just fine... IF I can solve the problems of secure bunded storage, then I would consider installing a oil fired boiler as well.

Something most people forget... the Diesel was invented to run off OTHER oils because Germany had no oild supply. A diesel will run off the waste oil from McDonalds :P

Have you noticed that vegetable oil in the grocery store jumped in price? That is because some news anchors on TV were showing people that your diesel will run cleaner using vegetable oil :D

But you can buy up the oil from fast food places cheap... and simply strain it...


Oh and BOYCOTT EXXON :P

Buy gas from anyone else  and spread the word :D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 02, 2013, 06:53:04 am

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/1-15%20May%202013/BoycottEXXONMOBILposter.png)


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif) (http://)

Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: andolin on May 02, 2013, 06:56:11 am
$150.00 a day? for a four hour day?   only 100 applicants?   Hmmmm

"Job period is 5 to 10 years, or until the reactors are decommissioned."

I dunno... sounds FISHY... because when the Russians cleaned up Chernobyl they used 500,000 people and only allowed them in for MINUTES at a time....


Not buying this one :P   It's a Kamakasi Mission :P

(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs18/f/2007/172/8/8/Wallpaper___Kamikaze_by_necrolz.jpg)
I hear the Medical Plan and death benefits are awesome...
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on May 31, 2013, 02:28:39 pm
[youtube]vcaOX2rW0gc[/youtube]



Radioactive waste: Dumped and Forgotten - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcaOX2rW0gc&feature=player_embedded)


Published on May 25, 2013
This documentary was shown on German and French TV but not in England.

For obvious reasons. the English don't want anyone to see it.

This is the English version which we hope you will mirror and call attention to.

It discusses the effects of sea dumping of radioactive waste on the health of people living on the local coasts, like the Irish Sea and the Baltic Sea, which is the most radioactive sea in the world.

The documentary focuses on the British sea dumping in the English Channel Hurd Deep about 12 miles north of the Channel Island of Alderney. Alderney is also subject to releases to the sea from the French Nuclear Reprocessing Plant at Cap de la La Hague 12 miles East of the small island.

Prof Chris Busby who was consulted on the health effects of this marine radioactive pollution visits the island with the producers and makes measurements of contamination on the beach. Busby originally visited the island in 1998 with Jersey MP Stuart Syvret and found an excess of brain tumours and also general cancer mortality which was written up as a Green Audit paper and became part of a BBC news story at the time.

They were both chased off the island. Manfred Ladwig manages to get Dr John Cooper, head of the UK radiological protection organisation, the HPA, to admit that they balance childhood cancer cases against the advantages of cheaply disposing of nuclear waste.

Cooper also agrees that his position involves a conflict of interest since he is head of HPA which takes advice on radiation protection from ICRP. Cooper is on the ICRP committee. He therefore takes advice from himself.

We also hear from Prof Richard Wakeford, ex-head of research for Sellafield, but now an "independent" expert, also on ICRP, who tells us the coastal child leukemias were caused by "population mixing".

How long do we have to be subject to advice from these clowns?

Prof Busby asks the youtube to kindly leave this alone since he was part of the production and has the right to upload it.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif) (http://)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 27, 2013, 10:21:23 am
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Fukushima_the_elephant.jpg)


One has to appreciate the humor in this.   :P

Earth Aid has a new follower on Twitter.

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From a friend: "anon coward from Japan"


It is very hard to explain to an outsider how corrupt Japan is. In fact, it is hard to imagine that any more corrupt society can even exist.

For a long, long time the corruption was tolerated becuse it served a lot of purposes. It began long before WWII but the US tolerated it because they wanted an anti-communist bulwark in the Far East.

But everything in Japan is about scams and ripoffs.

First of all, everything is controlled by a mere handful of banks and big industrialists. This used to be called "Zaibatsu" but the Americans supposedly ended the Zaibatsu system after the war.

Untrue.

What happened is big companies got broken into smaller ones with different names, but the same handful of big dogs at the top still control all these supposedly separate little companies.

It is bascule straight-up cartel-ism. They all he together and fix the prices for everything. If the government had bidding on some huge mega-project, all the big construction companies sit down and they all quietly fix what price they will bid at.

Everyone is cool with it because they all take turns and share. If mega-corp A gets the bid this time, nobody complains because they know mega-corp B will get the next one. And everyone gets some bribe/kickback money to tide them over in the mean time.

The politicians and regulators get fat stacks of kickback money for letting this go on, plus they get "amakudari" which means after a few years in the govt they get a nice Job at one of the mega-corps doing frig-all but playing golf and getting fat salaries.

The middle class gets jobs for life so they don't complain (although this facade is crumbling, the cash is running out so we will see how long people stay orderly and well behaved).

Nobody in the press "blows the whistle" because there are only a handful of newspapers and magazines and TV stations and they all politely ignore the corruption because they get their fat envelopes with cash too.

If some crusading moralist or journalist tries to speak out, he finds nobody will publish his books or give him air-time o TV. Then the Yakuza shows up to crack his skull if he still has not gotten the message.

Then overlaying this huge stinking pile of corruption is the media, the educational system, which simply pretend none of this happens. The "Traditonal Japan" industry is also part of the process....the Shinto and Busdhist temples and shrines get their stack of "donations" (great money laundering system for organized crime), and the image of quaint giggling geishas in kimonos and this ultra-clean sharp aesthetic of tradiional crafts adds to the "purity" image.

Ask yourself why there is such an obsession with "cleanliness" and "purity" in Japan: the answer is that the reality is so filthy and impure they need to whitewash it all the more.


Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on December 16, 2013, 08:46:31 pm
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/starfish_melting.jpg)

In this handout photo, last month, a diver alerted Vancouver Aquarium staff that he had found a number of dead and decaying sunflower sea stars in the cold Pacific waters of a popular dive spot just off the shore of West Vancouver.
(THE CANADIAN PRESS/ho-Vancouver Aquarium)



Vancouver Aquarium 'alarmed' at mass die-off of starfish on B.C. ocean floor (http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Vancouver+Aquarium+alarmed+mass+starfish+ocean+floor/9006150/story.html)??

VANCOUVER - Last month, a diver alerted Vancouver Aquarium staff that he had found a number of dead and decaying sunflower sea stars in the cold Pacific waters of a popular dive spot just off the shore of West Vancouver.

Within weeks, the tentacled orange sea stars had all but disappeared in Howe Sound and Vancouver Harbour, disintegrating where they sat on the ocean floor.

And aquarium staff don't know just how far-reaching the "alarming" epidemic has been, and whether this and other sea star species will recover.

"They're gone. It's amazing," said Donna Gibbs, a research diver and taxonomist on the aquarium's Howe Sound Research and Conservation group.

"Whatever hit them,
it was like wildfire and just wiped them out."

The sunflower sea star population had inexplicably exploded in recent years. In some areas they were stacked several stars deep, and those conditions may have been ripe for disease, she said.

"We are seeing some babies, so we're wondering if they will survive," Gibbs said. "We're hoping we get the natural abundance back without this overabundance."

Other species of sea star — commonly called starfish — are also affected.

Jeff Marliave, the aquarium's vice-president of marine science, said the collapse has been confirmed around the Defence Islands, north of Vancouver, and off the south shore of Bowen Island, where there is no longer any evidence of what was a huge overpopulation of the voracious cousins of the sea urchin.

"Where the population density had been highest in summer of 2012, on the western shore of Hutt Island, all the sunflower sea stars are gone from that area, with rivers of ossicles (a hard body part) filling ledges and crevices," Marliave wrote in his blog.

The aquarium has dubbed the epidemic Sea Star Wasting Syndrome.

Aquarium staff don't know the cause because they have had trouble gathering specimens for testing, as starfish that looked healthy in the ocean turned up as goo at the lab.

The epidemic has killed thousands of the marine invertebrates, which can weigh up to five kilograms and live up to 35 years.

The Howe Sound research team have heard from veterinarians and other marine experts that similar die-offs have taken place in Florida and California.

"We're just not sure yet if it's all the same thing," Gibbs said. "They're dying so fast."

In July, researchers at the University of Rhode Island reported that sea stars were dying in a similar way from New Jersey to Maine, and the university was working with colleagues at Brown and Roger Williams universities to figure out the cause.

The collaboration came about after a graduate student collected starfish for a research project and then watched as they "appeared to melt" in her tank.

Like Howe Sound, the Narragansett Bay area where those starfish were collected had seen an explosion in the population in the previous few years.

"Often when you have a population explosion of any species you end up with a disease outbreak," Rhode Island Prof. Marta Gomez-Chiarri said in a statement at the time.

"When there's not enough food for them all it causes stress, and the density of the animals leads to increase disease transmission."

Unfortunately, once that disease is in the environment, it can be difficult to get the population back, she said.

"Diseases don't just completely disappear after a massive die-off."

Vancouver Aquarium staff are asking divers and other members of the public to help monitor the spread of the disease, and report any similar sun star deaths to fishlab@vanaqua.org.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: spacemaverick on January 19, 2014, 11:43:49 am
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Safety-and-Security/Radiation-and-Health/Radiation-and-Life/

From World Nuclear Association

Radiation and Life

The above link deals with radiation and everyday life, the origins of both terrestrial radiation and other sources.  Whatever you want to know is here.  I found this to be an all-in-one type of information for learning about radiation.  I shall study this further.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: spacemaverick on January 19, 2014, 12:02:52 pm
Information from the World Nuclear Association

Radiation and Life


10,000 mSv (10 sieverts) as a short-term and whole-body dose would cause immediate illness, such as nausea and decreased white blood cell count, and subsequent death within a few weeks.
 Between 2 and 10 sieverts in a short-term dose would cause severe radiation sickness with increasing likelihood that this would be fatal.
 
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1,000 mSv (1 sievert) in a short-term dose is about the threshold for causing immediate radiation sickness in a person of average physical attributes, but would be unlikely to cause death. Above 1000 mSv, severity of illness increases with dose.
 If doses greater than 1000 mSv occur over a long period they are unlikely to have health effects, but they may create some risk that cancer will develop many years later.

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250 mSv as short-term dose was maximum allowable for workers controlling the Fukushima accident.
 
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Above about 100 mSv
, the probability of cancer (rather than the severity of illness) increases with dose.
The estimated risk of fatal cancer is 5 of every 100 persons exposed to a dose of 1000 mSv (ie. if the normal incidence of fatal cancer were 25%, a 1000 mSv dose would increase it to 30%).

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50 mSv is, conservatively, the lowest dose at which there is any evidence of cancer being caused in adults. It is also the highest dose which is allowed by regulation in any one year of occupational exposure. Dose rates greater than 50 mSv/yr arise from natural background levels in several parts of the world but do not cause any discernible harm to local populations.

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20 mSv/yr averaged over 5 years is the limit for radiological personnel such as employees in the nuclear industry, uranium or mineral sands miners and hospital workers (who are all closely monitored).
 
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10 mSv/yr is the maximum actual dose rate received by any Australian uranium miner.
 
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3-5 mSv/yr is the typical dose rate (above background) received by uranium miners in Australia and Canada.
 
 
3 mSv/yr (approx) is the typical background radiation from natural sources in North America, including an average of almost 2 mSv/yr from radon in air.
 
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2.5 mSv/yr (approx) is the typical background radiation from natural sources, including an average of 0.7 mSv/yr from radon in air. The minimum dose received by all humans anywhere on Earth is about 1.5 mSv/yr.
 
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0.3-0.6 mSv/yr is a typical range of dose rates from artificial sources of radiation, mostly medical.
 
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0.05 mSv/yr, a very small fraction of natural background radiation, is the design target for maximum radiation at the perimeter fence of a nuclear electricity generating station. In practice the actual dose is less.
 
 
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on January 19, 2014, 03:06:27 pm
Colorado Rocky Mountain HIGH

11.8 mSv/yr  just for living there :D

Source   Annual Effective Dose Equivalent (mSv/yr)(1)   Annual Risk per million people (2) (cancer deaths attributable to these sources)   Lifetime Risk per million people (3) (cancer deaths attributable to these sources)
Natural           
Radon   10.4   310   22,000
Cosmic   0.50   40   2800
Terrestrial   0.46   37   2600
Internal   0.39   31   2200
sub-total   11.8   420
deaths per million   30,000
deaths per million
Artificial           
Medical           
a) x-ray diagnosis   0.39   31   2200
b) Nuclear medicine   0.14   11   770
Consumer products   0.1   8   560
sub-total   0.6   50
deaths per million   3500
deaths per million
TOTAL   12.4   470
deaths per million   33,000
deaths per million
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on January 19, 2014, 03:11:32 pm
The trick is to reduce your power consumption, whilst keeping your living standards up.
Managing heat is crucial because most of the hardcore power eaters tend to be heaters

Breaking News!!!
Free Energy Device!!! No more heating costs!!!! 100% reduction!!!!


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 ::)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: spacemaverick on January 19, 2014, 04:06:16 pm
Breaking News!!!
Free Energy Device!!! No more heating costs!!!! 100% reduction!!!!


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Z, I think we have become spoiled with our central heating.  I remember the old radiators did a fine job.  Had one in each room we did and they worked fine.  Just spent a week in Ft. Worth where we had the fireplace going while we were there and it kept things toasty.  Besides the fire lightened our mood and made everything kind of cozy.  And it was not expensive.  Went out back and chopped some firewood, obtained some kindling and gotr' done!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on January 19, 2014, 05:05:52 pm
Also can cook on it :D  Put a pot of coffee on it or a pot of water to act as humidifier 
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: deuem on January 19, 2014, 07:23:15 pm
Also can cook on it :D  Put a pot of coffee on it or a pot of water to act as humidifier

And what do I do with the smoke stack? Living in a hi-rise has its drawbacks. Need to invent a fireplace scrubber for the smoke and toxic gasses. Off to the drawing board.
 
Deuem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on April 04, 2014, 07:16:36 pm
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[youtube]TIPg2-KQAvE[/youtube]

Fukushima: Sinking Nuclear Reactors, Hot Particles etc. Deagle & Harris 4/3/14 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIPg2-KQAvE)


Published on Apr 3, 2014

Here's the video that Dr. Deagle and Chris Harris are discussing:?Fukushima HOT PARTICLE from Vaporized Core found 300 miles away (Marko Kaltofen) http://youtu.be/9IJa_OEc610

Original Upload of this video by Urupiper2 called Deagle 2014/043/03 - CHRIS HARRIS (Fukushima) http://youtu.be/noPzPlFujfw

Marco Kaltofen in one of the most important videos Fairewinds Energy Education has ever produced. Three years ago, Fairewinds was one of the first organizations to talk about the "hot particles" that are scattered all over Japan and North America's west coast.

Hot particles are dangerous and difficult to detect. In this video Mr. Kaltofen discusses the hottest hot particle he has ever found, and it was discovered more than 300 miles from the Fukushima Daiichi site.

If Fairewinds Energy Education was a Japanese website, the State Secrets Law would likely prevent them from issuing this video.Arnie Gundersen will provide a brief summary at the end of the video.

The Hottest Particle was the title of this video. http://fairewinds.org/hottest-particle/


Three years ago, Fairewinds was one of the first organizations to talk about "hot particles" that are scattered all over Japan and North America's west coast. Hot particles are dangerous and difficult to detect.

In this video Mr. Kaltofen discusses the hottest hot particle he has ever found, and it was discovered more than 300 miles from the Fukushima Daiichi site.

If Fairewinds Energy Education was a Japanese website, the State Secrets Law would likely prevent us from issuing this video. Arnie Gundersen provides a brief introduction and summary to the video.

In looking at indoor environments, they tend to be much more contaminated than the surroundings outside. Houses act like a trap and they tend to collect outdoor contaminants. And they expose people as much as 24 hours a day versus consider how short a time most people spend outdoors.

The sample that we got came from the Goya in Japan. It's 460 kilometers from the accident site. That's about 300 miles away from Fukushima Daiichi.


Let's put it this way.

Eighty percent by weight of this particle was made up of pure reactor core materials. So that tells me that something that came directly from the accident, directly from the core, could escape containment and travel a very, very significant distance. The winds will blow it long distances.

This material was in the petabecquerel per kilogram range. The number we're looking at is 4 followed by 19 zeroes -- that many becquerels per kilogram. That's a very, very high number and essentially, that's the kind of number you get when you look at core material.

So essentially what we're talking about is a worst case for black sand. So this material was vaporized during the accident. It condenses into these small particles and then they aggregate.

So far, from our Japanese samples from Fukushima Prefecture and from Tokyo, about 25 percent of those samples contained at least a few measurable hot particles. Only one that was this hot. And this was the worst case. It doesn't represent any kind of average, but it does tell you what's possible.

It is solid scientific material like this that you will not see or hear via traditional news stories, TEPCO, or the IAEA. Fairewinds has long said that there will be significant increases in cancer in Japan as a result of the Fukushima Daiichi accident, and this video describing just one hot particle confirms our worst fears.

The Hottest Particle April 3rd, 2014: http://fairewinds.org/hottest-particle/ (http://fairewinds.org/hottest-particle/)

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Post by: thorfourwinds on April 06, 2014, 06:16:44 pm
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on April 07, 2014, 01:27:50 am
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on April 07, 2014, 06:38:59 pm
TOKYO —
Fukushima Industries said Tuesday it was rethinking its “Fukuppy” mascot, after the Internet erupted in sniggers over a name that recalls the catalogue of mishandling at the Fukushima nuclear plant.

The Osaka-based refrigerator maker, whose name derives from its founder and has nothing to do with the area hit by an atomic catastrophe, has been ridiculed on social networking sites for the name it gave its egg-like mascot, which has blue wings and red feet.

“I’m Fukuppy. Nice to meet you,” the smiling character with a human face tells visitors to the company’s website. “I think I’m kind with a strong sense of justice but people say I’m a little bit scatterbrained.”

Fukushima Industries unveiled “Fukuppy” in April, blending the first part of the company name—Fuku—and the end of the English word “happy”, saying it represented the corporate philosophy of being a happiness-creating company.

But the striking moniker was mistaken for “an inappropriate word among people in English-speaking places or its meaning was misunderstood on the Internet,” the company said in a statement.

“We sincerely apologize for worrying many people and creating misunderstanding among them,” the company said, adding: “We will look into the name, including a rethink of it.”

The firm, which makes industrial cooling systems and has offices in China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Taiwan, said the name was nothing to do with the battered Fukushima power station.

It is common for companies and organizations in Japan to have a cuddly mascot character that they use as part of branding. Many are brought to life by adults in full-size costumes who wander around sponsored events posing for photographs with children.

In September, Asahikawa Prison in Japan’s far north unveiled “Katakkuri-chan”, a nearly two-meter humanoid with a huge square face and an enormous purple flower for hair, which bosses hoped would soften the image of the jail.

Tokyo Metropolitan Police has had its own crime-fighting mascot since the 1980s who is now well-loved across the nation.
The use of English, or English-derived words, is also very common in Japan, where despite many years of compulsory language schooling, standards remain relatively low.

This leads to occasional hilarity among visitors to the country, who struggle to understand why someone would drink the unappetising-sounding Pocari Sweat or the off-putting Calpis.

Bizarre phrases born of poorly understood English lessons frequently make their way onto t-shirts, stationery and into advertising copy.

The mascot can be seen on the company’s website: http://www.fukusima.co.jp/
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On NOVEMBER 29/30, 2014 we will use our minds and creativity to counter the evil nuclear energy industry.

Find your local nuclear power plant and/or nuclear dump site.

(Or just protest in your own backyard, your local park, or anywhere else in your community. Get creative, anything goes.)

Create a sign that says; Chernobyl, Fukushima, [the name of the site you are standing in front of].

Find your local nuclear sites here: ANRC: Operating Nuclear Power Reactors (by Location or Name) (http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/) | Global list of nuclear reactors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_reactors)

Take a Photo, Take a Video.  (Note: No need to go on their property, they are a visible form of public property.)

Send us your photos and videos and we’ll post them to the webasite and our flickr page.

Email Us: admin@thepostignoranceproject.com
Facebook Us: facebook.com/postignorance
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Post Ignorance tshirts are now available, and are only printed by companies that do not use slave labor. All proceeds go back into the Post Ignorance Project.


WE MUST USE OUR MINDS AND OUR CREATIVITY
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on June 28, 2014, 05:38:40 pm
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One year ago:


Melted fuel removal at Fukushima plant seen optimistically starting in 2020 (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/06/28/national/melted-fuel-removal-at-fukushima-plant-seen-optimistically-starting-in-2020/#.U68uTWb2I3Z)
Source: Kyodo News
Date: June 28, 2013

Quote
Work to remove melted fuel from the three crippled reactors at Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could start in 2020, the government and Tepco optimistically said Thursday, based on a revised, albeit vague, plan to decommission the stricken complex, a process expected to take decades. [...]

The second phase of the decommissioning, based on the revised plan, will entail the removal of the melted fuel from crippled reactors 1 and 2 starting in fiscal 2020 if possible, followed by work to start removing the melted fuel inside reactor 3 in the latter half of fiscal 2021 at the earliest. Reactor 3?s fuel is the highly lethal mixed uranium-plutonium oxide (MOX) fuel. [...]

The extractions may be delayed if proper equipment isn’t available to deal with the three stricken reactors, whose levels of damage and radiation differ. [...]

Another scenario points to starting the fuel removal of reactor 1 in fiscal 2022, that of reactor 2 in fiscal 2024 and reactor 3?s fuel in fiscal 2023. [...]


Fast-forward one year:


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Details of reactor damage still unknown - NHK WORLD English- (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140610_11.html)

10 June 2014
Details of reactor damage still unknown

Quote
TEPCO officials are struggling to find the exact locations of breaches in the containment vessels for reactors 1, 2 and 3, and the condition of the melted fuel that they eventually plan to retrieve.

Officials believe that at reactor number 2, water is leaking from a donut-shaped suppression chamber at the bottom of the containment vessel, but do not know exactly from where.

As for reactors 1 and 3, the utility has found the sources of some leaks, but suspects there are other breaches that have yet to be identified.

Nothing is known about the condition of the melted fuel in all 3 reactors.

TEPCO is considering various forms of surveys, including a plan to send a camera-mounted robot into the facilities.


Does this line of obfuscation sound eerily familiar?

Same old, same old…except that this is 1,187 days post-event - dated 10 June 2014.

This is the reality of where the corium is at reactor #2; most of the early admissions by TEPCO of the true status of the catastrophe have been systematically removed from SkyNet, but many of us have extensive libraries (offline) of what really happened.   :P

It's all in the book (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5453.msg74364#msg74364): Fukushima: The Last Nuclear Accident on Planet Earth.


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Tuna Fish Radiation Levels Triple After Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Failure (http://www.westernjournalism.com/tuna-fish-radiation-levels-triple-fukushima/)

10 June 2014

Has the Fukushima nuclear power plant failure had a large effect on sea life? A recent study found that Albacore tuna radiation levels had tripled post-Fukushima.

The tuna fish were not caught off the coast of Japan. Oregon State University researchers conducted the study and used tuna swimming off the coast of Oregon.

Does this rapid rise in radiation indicate that the fish are now hazardous for human consumption?

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No, says Delvin Neville, a graduate research assistant at OSU. He explains: “But these trace levels are too small to be a realistic concern.”

Neville brings in some comparisons:

“You can’t say there is absolutely zero risk because any radiation is assumed to carry at least some small risk,” said Delvan Neville, a graduate research assistant in the Department of Nuclear Engineering and Radiation Health Physics at Oregon State University and lead author on the study. “But these trace levels are too small to be a realistic concern."

“A year of eating albacore with these cesium traces is about the same dose of radiation as you get from spending 23 seconds in a stuffy basement from radon gas, or sleeping next to your spouse for 40 nights from the natural potassium-40 in their body.”

He says: “It’s just not much at all.”

However, researchers at NOAA and the GEOMAR Research Center for Marine Geosciences differ. They contend that the most radioactive water has not reached our shores.

What do you think?

Does the tripled radiation levels in some of the tuna indicate that the Fukushima event is more dangerous than we have been led to believe?




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Angry scenes as TEPCO shareholders demand end to nuclear power (http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/angry-scenes-as-tepco-shareholders-demand-end-to-nuclear)

TOKYO — Furious shareholders in the company that runs Japan’s crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant joined campaigners Thursday to demand the permanent closure of the utility’s nuclear plants, as it held its annual meeting.

Dozens of demonstrators with loudspeakers and banners said Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) must act to avoid a repetition of the 2011 disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, where three reactors went into meltdown after Japan’s huge earthquake-sparked tsunami.

Japan shut down all 48 of its reactors in the wake of the Fukushima disaster, the country’s worst nuclear crisis in a generation.

The government and electricity companies, including TEPCO, would like to fire some of them up again—but public unease has so far prevented that, as has a new, toothier watchdog.

There was pushing and shoving between security guards and demonstrators as they tried to approach TEPCO shareholders going into the annual meeting in Tokyo.

Activists from conservation group Greenpeace wore full protective suits and industrial face masks to remind shareholders what evacuated families who lived near Fukushima must wear if they go back to check on their homes.

Katsutaka Idogawa, former mayor of the town of Futaba that hosts the crippled plant, lashed out at supporters of nuclear power, including TEPCO’s management.

“Why don’t you get exposed to radiation yourself?

Why don’t you lose your homeland?”

he asked as shareholders filed into Tokyo International Forum for the meeting.

His town remains evacuated because of elevated levels of radiation, amid expectations that it will be decades before it is safe to return, if ever.

Idogawa—who bought TEPCO shares last year in a bid to influence the company’s decisions—said the firm has been slow to offer compensation to those who lost homes, jobs, farms and their communities, and what they have offered has been inadequate.

“You don’t pay enough compensation and don’t take responsibility. I can’t forgive you!” he said.


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The sentiment was echoed during the meeting by fellow shareholders whose communities host other nuclear plants.

A woman from Niigata Prefecture—where TEPCO hopes to restart reactors at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa, the world’s largest
nuclear plant—also urged the company to put an end to its nuclear operations.

“Are we going to make the same mistake that we had in Fukushima, also in Niigata?” she said.

“Fellow shareholders, please support this proposal of scrapping the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear plant… and revitalising the site with plans for renewable energy,” she said.

TEPCO has argued that restarting selected reactors at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa is the key to ensuring the company’s survival as it battles huge costs.

“We think the (Niigata prefectural) governor is totally right about his idea ‘no investigation into the Fukushima accident, no talks on the resumption (of the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant),” said TEPCO President Naomi Hirose.

He said TEPCO was investigating the causes and facts of the Fukushima disaster, adding he hopes Niigata’s governor will eventually give the green light to restarting the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant.

The calls for an end to nuclear power were Thursday rejected by TEPCO and a majority of its shareholders—who include

a government-backed fund designed to rescue it,
which holds 54.74% of outstanding stock
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The government has poured billions of yen into TEPCO to keep afloat a company that supplies electricity to Tokyo and its surrounding area, as it stumps up cash for decommissioning the reactors, cleaning up the mess they have made and paying compensation.

During the meeting, Idogawa asked the company management to stop the legal battle over their responsibility for the accident and instead find compensation money for “evacuees and those who are in need”.

Others urged the management to invest in renewable energy, including solar power generation instead of nuclear plants.


In eight other Japanese utilities’ shareholders meetings also held on Thursday, all propositions to abandon nuclear power were rejected, Jiji Press reported.


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TEPCO shareholders reject anti-nuclear proposals -NHK WORLD English- (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140626_32.html)

26 June 2014

The operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has apologized to shareholders about problems involving radioactive wastewater there.

More than 2,100 shareholders of the Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, attended their annual meeting in Tokyo on Thursday.

Chairman Fumio Sudo said competition in the electric power industry will become fierce as reform of its structure proceeds.

Sudo said the firm will work to fulfill its responsibility to pay damages caused by the nuclear accident at the plant, decommissioning reactors there, and rebuilding Fukushima Prefecture. He said to do this, the company aims to improve its corporate value by drastically changing its management style and business models.

President Naomi Hirose apologized to the people of Fukushima and large parts of society for causing trouble and anxiety over the contaminated water problems.

Some shareholders said it's outrageous that the company responsible for the accident aims to restart reactors that are offline. Others said the firm must not make the same mistake at the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear plant in Niigata Prefecture.

TEPCO executives responded that nuclear power is an important part of the nation's basic energy plan.



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The meeting rejected all 10 proposals by shareholders including those calling for abolishing the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa and Fukushima Daini nuclear power plants.

All proposals submitted by TEPCO's management were approved.

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Power companies hold shareholders' meetings - NHK WORLD English (http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/news/20140626_35.html)

26 June 2014

Proposals to scrap nuclear reactors have been rejected at shareholders meetings of 9 major power companies in Japan.

The firms held the annual meetings on Thursday.

Shareholders of Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, said it's responsible for the Fukushima nuclear accident, and that restarting reactors that are now offline is outrageous.

Shareholders also proposed scrapping nuclear reactors.

TEPCO executives responded that nuclear power is an important part of the nation's basic energy plan.

At the meeting of Kyushu Electric Power Company, shareholders proposed scrapping reactors at the Sendai plant in Kagoshima.

Japan's Nuclear Regulation Authority has prioritized a safety screening process for the plant.

Kyushu Electric executives said the company will do its best to improve the plant's safety, and focus on passing the screening.

Shareholders of Kansai Electric Power Company submitted proposals to scrap all of its nuclear plants.

A local district court last month ordered Kansai Electric not to resume operations of two reactors, citing a lack of safety measures.

Jun. 26, 2014 - Updated 09:30 UTC



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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
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Helen Caldicott, New York Times, 2 Dec 2011

The nuclear power industry has been resurrected over the past decade by a lobbying campaign that has left many people believing it to be a clean, green, emission-free alternative to fossil fuels. These beliefs pose an extraordinary threat to global public health and encourage a major financial drain on national economies and taxpayers. The commitment to nuclear power as an environmentally safe energy source has also stifled the mass development of alternative technologies that are far cheaper, safer and almost emission free — the future for global energy.

When the Fukushima Daiichi reactors suffered meltdowns in March, literally in the backyard of an unsuspecting public, the stark reality that the risks of nuclear power far outweigh any benefits should have become clear to the world. As the old quip states, “Nuclear power is one hell of a way to boil water.”

Instead, the nuclear industry has used the disaster to increase its already extensive lobbying efforts. A few nations vowed to phase out nuclear energy after the disaster. But many others have remained steadfast in their commitment.

That has left millions of innocent people unaware that they — all of us — may face a medical catastrophe beyond all proportions in the wake of Fukushima and through the continued widespread use of nuclear energy.

The world was warned of the dangers of nuclear accidents 25 years ago, when Chernobyl exploded and lofted radioactive poisons into the atmosphere. Those poisons “rained out,” creating hot spots over the Northern Hemisphere. Research by scientists in Eastern Europe, collected and published by the New York Academy of Sciences, estimates that 40 percent of the European land mass is now contaminated with cesium 137 and other radioactive poisons that will concentrate in food for hundreds to thousands of years. Wide areas of Asia — from Turkey to China — the United Arab Emirates, North Africa and North America are also contaminated. Nearly 200 million people remain exposed.

That research estimated that by now close to 1 million people have died of causes linked to the Chernobyl disaster. They perished from cancers, congenital deformities, immune deficiencies, infections, cardiovascular diseases, endocrine abnormalities and radiation-induced factors that increased infant mortality. Studies in Belarus found that in 2000, 14 years after the Chernobyl disaster, fewer than 20 percent of children were considered “practically healthy,” compared to 90 percent before Chernobyl.

Now, Fukushima has been called the second-worst nuclear disaster after Chernobyl. Much is still uncertain about the long-term consequences. Fukushima may well be on par with or even far exceed Chernobyl in terms of the effects on public health, as new information becomes available. The crisis is ongoing; the plant remains unstable and radiation emissions continue into the air and water.

Recent monitoring by citizens groups, international organizations and the U.S. government have found dangerous hot spots in Tokyo and other areas. The Japanese government, meanwhile, in late September lifted evacuation advisories for some areas near the damaged plant — even though high levels of radiation remained. The government estimated that it will spend at least $13 billion to clean up contamination.

Many thousands of people continue to inhabit areas that are highly contaminated, particularly northwest of Fukushima.

Radioactive elements have been deposited throughout northern Japan, found in tap water in Tokyo and concentrated in tea, beef, rice and other food. In one of the few studies on human contamination in the months following the accident, over half of the more than 1,000 children whose thyroids were monitored in Fukushima City were found to be contaminated with iodine 131 — condemning many to thyroid cancer years from now.


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Children are innately sensitive to the carcinogenic effects of radiation, fetuses even more so. Like Chernobyl, the accident at Fukushima is of global proportions. Unusual levels of radiation have been discovered in British Columbia, along the West Coast and East Coast of the United States and in Europe, and heavy contamination has been found in oceanic waters.

Fukushima is classified as a grade 7 accident on the International Atomic Energy Agency scale — denoting “widespread health and environmental effects.” That is the same severity as Chernobyl, the only other grade 7 accident in history, but there is no higher number on the agency’s scale.

After the accident, lobbying groups touted improved safety at nuclear installations globally. In Japan, the Tokyo Electric Power Co. — which operates the Fukushima Daiichi reactors — and the government have sought to control the reporting of negative stories via telecom companies and Internet service providers.

In Britain, The Guardian reported that days after the tsunami, companies with interests in nuclear power — Areva, EDF Energy and Westinghouse — worked with the government to downplay the accident, fearing setbacks on plans for new nuclear power plants.

Nuclear power has always been the nefarious Trojan horse for the weapons industry, and effective publicity campaigns are a hallmark of both industries. The concept of nuclear electricity was conceived in the early 1950s as a way to make the public more comfortable with the U.S. development of nuclear weapons.

“The atomic bomb will be accepted far more readily if at the same time atomic energy is being used for constructive ends,” a consultant to the Defense Department Psychological Strategy Board, Stefan Possony, suggested. The phrase “Atoms for Peace” was popularized by President Dwight Eisenhower in the early 1950s.


Nuclear power and nuclear weapons are one and the same technology. A 1,000 megawatt nuclear reactor generates 600 pounds or so of plutonium per year: An atomic bomb requires a fraction of that amount for fuel, and plutonium remains radioactive for 250,000 years. Therefore every country with a nuclear power plant also has a bomb factory with unlimited potential.The nuclear power industry sets an unforgivable precedent by exporting nuclear technology — bomb factories — to dozens of non-nuclear nations.

Why is nuclear power still viable, after we’ve witnessed catastrophic accidents, enormous financial outlays, weapons proliferation and nuclear-waste induced epidemics of cancers and genetic disease for generations to come? Simply put, many government and other officials believe the nuclear industry mantra: safe, clean and green. And the public is not educated on the issue.

There are some signs of change. Germany will phase out nuclear power by 2022. Italy and Switzerland have decided against it, and anti-nuclear advocates in Japan have gained traction. China remains cautious on nuclear power. Yet the nuclear enthusiasm of the U.S., Britain, Russia and Canada continues unabated. The industry, meanwhile, has promoted new modular and “advanced” reactors as better alternatives to traditional reactors. They are, however, subject to the very same risks — accidents, terrorist attacks, human error — as the traditional reactors. Many also create fissile material for bombs as well as the legacy of radioactive waste.

True green, clean, nearly emission-free solutions exist for providing energy. They lie in a combination of conservation and renewable energy sources, mainly wind, solar and geothermal, hydropower plants, and biomass from algae. A smart-grid could integrate consuming and producing devices, allowing flexible operation of household appliances. The problem of intermittent power can be solved by storing energy using available technologies.

Millions of jobs can be created by replacing nuclear power with nationally integrated, renewable energy systems. In the U.S. alone, the project could be paid for by the $180 billion currently allocated for nuclear weapons programs over the next decade. There would be no need for new weapons if the Russian and U.S. nuclear arsenals — 95 percent of the estimated 20,500 nuclear weapons globally — were abolished.

Nuclear advocates often paint those who oppose them as Luddites who are afraid of, or don’t understand, technology, or as hysterics who exaggerate the dangers of nuclear power.

One might recall the sustained attack over many decades by the tobacco industry upon the medical profession, a profession that revealed the grave health dangers induced by smoking.

Smoking, broadly speaking, only kills the smoker. Nuclear power bequeaths morbidity and mortality — epidemics of disease — to all future generations.

The millions of lives lost to smoking in the era before the health risks of cigarettes were widely exposed will be minuscule compared to the medical catastrophe we face through the continued use of nuclear power.

Let’s use this extraordinary moment to convince governments and others to move toward a nuclear-free world. Let’s prove that informed democracies will behave in a responsible fashion.


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Originally published in the New York Times, 2 Dec 2011 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/opinion/magazine-global-agenda-enough-is-enough.html?_r=2&emc=eta1&)
Helen Caldicott, a pediatrician, is founding president of Physicians for Social Responsibility. A native of Australia, she left her Harvard Medical School post in 1980 to work full-time on anti-nuclear education.

Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 26, 2014, 05:23:09 pm

[youtube]bOelqGl2Ux0[/youtube]

Fukushima Documentary 2014 HD ? Nuclear Exodus: Pandora's Promise Was A Lie - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOelqGl2Ux0)

Published on Mar 25, 2014

Summary:
Following the unprecedented triple meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant after Japan's 3/11 earthquake and tsunami, a myriad of far reaching questions has arisen...

What's the current state of the Fukushima nuclear reactors?

How much radiation have they already released?

What type of health impacts can we expect?

Is our seafood supply safe?

And what about the other 435 nuclear reactors around the world, 104 in the US alone - 22 of them the same exact design as those that exploded and melted down in Fukushima, are they safe??

Yet these are not easy questions to get answers to. The mainstream media and the internet are full of conflicting viewpoints & information.

For example, UN scientists have already claimed that the health impacts of Fukushima will be negligible and statistically insignificant, which is parroted in CNN's documentary "Pandora's Promise".

However independent scientists tell a very different story; they project on the order of a million cancers within the next few decades in Japan alone.

So how does such a massive scientific discrepancy occur?

Nuclear Exodus explores the ties that inexorably bind the nuclear power industry to the military industrial complex, and how the lust for nuclear weapons causes governments to push nuclear power on their citizens, while covering up the true health effects of radiation exposure.

It delves deep into the legacy & lessons of Chernobyl, nuclear waste management, nuclear terrorism, & solar flares which could potentially trigger hundreds of nuclear meltdowns across the world - threatening life on Earth as we know it.??But can human civilization truly generate the electricity it needs without nuclear power, especially while reducing our energy dependence on fossil fuels?

How far have renewable technologies come in 2014 exactly?

And if some cataclysmic disaster did threaten the world, would there be anyway to realistically protect life on Earth?

Could Mars actually be a feasible back up planet anytime soon?

These questions and more are explored in great depth during Nuclear Exodus: Pandora's Promise Was A Lie. (This is version 2.2, the most current and up to date version. It's been tightened up with some important new facts, plus enhanced audio & visuals!)



IMHO, this is a must-see.

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on October 06, 2014, 04:33:45 pm
This is a wake-up call well worth the time to view.

[youtube]BDcUE2V9rbY[/youtube]

Observe the Fukushiva Cretins who will seal all our fates - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDcUE2V9rbY)

This film exposes a new form of Criminality perceived as acceptable - 1000's of Rudolf Hess type Bureaucrats sucking off the trough in a self-destructive daze. Catatonic Cretins sealing all our fates and we let them. The Nuclear Nightmare is surpassing even the extinction level event that snuffed the Dinosaurs.

This documentary was shown on German and French TV but not in England.

For obvious reasons the English don't want anyone to see it.

This is the English version which we hope you will mirror and call attention to. It discusses the effects of sea dumping of radioactive waste on the health of people living on the local coasts, like the Irish Sea and the Baltic Sea, which is the most radioactive sea in the world.

The documentary focuses on the British sea dumping in the English Channel Hurd Deep about 12 miles north of the Channel Island of Alderney. Alderney is also subject to releases to the sea from the French Nuclear Reprocessing Plant at Cap de la La Hague 12 miles East of the small island.

Prof Chris Busby who was consulted on the health effects of this marine radioactive pollution visits the island with the producers and makes measurements of contamination on the beach. Busby originally visited the island in 1998 with Jersey MP Stuart Syvret and found an excess of brain tumors and also general cancer mortality which was written up as a Green Audit paper and became part of a BBC news story at the time. They were both chased off the island.

?Manfred Ladwig manages to get Dr John Cooper, head of the UK radiological protection organization, the HPA, to admit that they balance childhood cancer cases against the advantages of cheaply disposing of nuclear waste. Cooper also agrees that his position involves a conflict of interest since he is head of HPA which takes advice on radiation protection from ICRP.

Cooper is on the ICRP committee. He therefore takes advice from himself. We also hear from Prof Richard Wakeford, ex head of research for Sellafield, but now an "independent" expert, also on ICRP, who tells us the coastal child leukemias were caused by "population mixing".

How long do we have to be subject to advice from these clowns?

Prof Busby asks the youtube to kindly leave this alone since he was part of the production and has the right to upload it.

Published on May 25, 2013 by Professor Chris Busby
http://www.youtube.com/user/drdrwoland on YouTube

Thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Amaterasu on October 06, 2014, 06:18:21 pm
Given that We have had ways of extracting energy from the aether since 1945, I would have to say that the nuclear choice can only be described as yet another psychopathic decision made for profit and against Humanity on this planet.

Those dudes are SICK!
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on October 07, 2014, 10:02:20 am
[youtube]WOsLE4DOh3g[/youtube]

Chanson d'Adieu 5 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsLE4DOh3g)
rosy heart (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQk4Yfi299btnrSpOF_UCCg)
Published on Aug 21, 2014
One sows one's Soul with every Goodbye…


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tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Hec'el oinipikte  (that we shall live)

FUKUSHIMA FALLOUT CLOCK
Elapsed Time since March 11, 2011, 2:46 PM - Fukushima, Japan (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20110311T1446&p0=2155)

The World Must Take Charge at Fukushima (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5453.msg74364#msg74364)

“In a time of universal deceit
telling the truth is considered a revolutionary act."

George Orwell
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on December 11, 2014, 07:28:35 pm
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DECLARE JAPAN'S FUKUSHIMA MELTDOWNS A "LEVEL 8" NUCLEAR DISASTER (https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/IAEA_Director_General_Yukiya_Amano_DECLARE_JAPANS_FUKUSHIMA_MELTDOWNS_A_LEVEL_8_NUCLEAR_DISASTER/)

TO: CIVIC LEADERS, FAITH LEADERS, CEOS, LOCAL, STATE, & NATIONAL ELECTED OFFICIALS, ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD

14 September 2014
We are asking individuals, organizations, and governments in every country to publicly support the urgent call for a newly proposed “Level 8” emergency response to the ongoing crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

“We need to act now—to inform and mobilize our communities to demand that local, regional, and national leadership move quickly and gather sufficient resources to initiate and direct an independent, international effort to stabilize, monitor radioactive releases and plumes, and clean up Fukushima. The global environment—and long-term health and safety of every person on the planet, present and future—is at stake.”

Why is this important?
The four nuclear reactors devastated by the earthquake and tsunami in March of 2011 continue to pose a grave risk to people and the environment around the entire world. An unprecedented three reactor cores have melted down into (and most likely melted through) their containment vessels on the east coast of Japan.

After three years of questionable management and oversight by the government of Japan and Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), enormous quantities of radioactive releases continue to spew daily into the world's ocean from the Fukushima nuclear power facility—with no end in sight.

A new, international “Level 8" category must be added to the International Atomic Energy Agency’s current 7-level scale that characterizes the severity of nuclear accidents.

This new “Level 8" would firmly identify the need for an internationally coordinated response to a major nuclear emergency occurring in any country that has been overwhelmed by disaster, has had a multi-unit accident, or has failed to provide the timely expertise and resources necessary to protect neighboring countries and the global environment from a substantial, ongoing or imminent release of radioactive materials.

Please sign the petition and spread the link widely to help mobilize a global response.
http://campaigns.350.org/p/fixfukushima
 
To learn more about this worldwide campaign, and how you, your family, and your community can publicly support it, please visit
http://www.FukushimaResponse.org
 or
http://www.FixFukushima.info

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Wrabbit2000 on December 12, 2014, 07:28:01 am
I'm curious on this. What is it anyone sees the world could do at this point, that they are both willing to consider and able to accomplish?

Japan won't have their national soil become the project area of a world effort, and I do believe they would go to outright military conflict ..with what they have to do it with...to prevent that. These days..that means the hand wringers in the UN would be stopped cold in their tracks by the mere suggestion of it.

More importantly though...I really do ask no one in particular, if the cores have passed through containment and gone below grade? Just what can be done? They can't be contained from below, as the water table is basically at grade there. After all, look at the geography of the site.

They could obliterate and vaporize the site, to release the mess by volume of material, and in one shot to deal with ..or they can let us die slow, on the installment plan, for decades or more to come. I favor the first approach to solve a problem, however large it may be to attack. They seem to have settled for the second approach tho ...and so...my  son's children will still be arguing over this mess after untold numbers have died from it in the mean time.

What a mess.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on December 12, 2014, 12:43:26 pm
I'm curious on this. What is it anyone sees the world could do at this point, that they are both willing to consider and able to accomplish?

This has been my point all along There is no current technology that we have that can fix this and make it go away.

The only thing we can do is try to get the message out that we need to prevent MORE of these in the near future. Most of the nuke plants in the world are OLD Metal fatigue especially in the presence of radiation is a real threat but all that waste being stored on site...

When does it reach critical mass?

So many stories never even make the news... we usually only here the big ones like Three Mile Island or Chernobyl

And the sarcophagus at Chernobyl was designed to last 25 years. Its been 28 now... and is crumbling. Chernobyl will be hot for another 100,000 years At least they are building a new cover for that


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Japan won't have their national soil become the project area of a world effort, and I do believe they would go to outright military conflict ..with what they have to do it with...to prevent that. These days..that means the hand wringers in the UN would be stopped cold in their tracks by the mere suggestion of it.

Japan even refused the money Red Cross collected  BILLIONS... Wonder where all that cash went

Quote
More importantly though...I really do ask no one in particular, if the cores have passed through containment and gone below grade? Just what can be done? They can't be contained from below, as the water table is basically at grade there. After all, look at the geography of the site.

There is NOTHING that can be done. They cannot even cover it like Chernobyl because of that water table. It will just leak. At least the China Syndrome that was feared in the early days won't happen

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They could obliterate and vaporize the site, to release the mess by volume of material, and in one shot to deal with ..or they can let us die slow, on the installment plan, for decades or more to come. I favor the first approach to solve a problem, however large it may be to attack. They seem to have settled for the second approach tho ...and so...my  son's children will still be arguing over this mess after untold numbers have died from it in the mean time.


Yes a slow poison but nature will evolve (or mutate)  Mother Nature has time on her side.  The Dino's ruled for over 400 million years... Hu-mons a mere drop in the bucket... but we are a tenacious lot. Many will die but many will survive and adapt

There are Russians at Chernobyl that are immune to it. They have gone back inside in a recent documentary I posted.

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What a mess.

Yes it is  I did find it interesting that ex Prime Minister Naoto Kan did make that speech (apology) to the world (albeit via video) and told us what we already knew... that they had three full meltdowns 8 hours after the event

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on December 16, 2014, 02:31:37 pm
One year ago…


2014 "Fukushima Radiation Fallout Review
Fukushima Global Radiation Crisis USA Radiation Fallout" - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mn8XUxVq0g)


Published on Dec 19, 2013
Sign petitions, prepare, prevent nuclear proliferation!
2014  "Fukushima Radiation Fallout Review
Fukushima Global Radiation Crisis
USA Radiation Fallout"

Join the movement of top experts on the nuclear industry -
preventing nuclear power once and for all!

More Videos By CVMCo.

FUKUSHIMA UPDATE Nov/2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoEK-j0kRj4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M60ZdXCLNLY


"Fukushima Nuclear Disasters In America, USA Is A Nuclear Time Bomb!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVMtktnCRDI)


"NASA PUBLIC WARNING: PUBLIC WARNING Grid Failure" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVe8Iji7DxY)


Electrical Grid Failure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2_8kRTULjo)


"Attack Imminent: Former [CIA] Director Admits, EMP Threat Real, "EMP Disaster Says Snowden" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d2_-KmNCXo)


"Military: EMP Solar Flare Threats & Hopi Prophecy GOOD News" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OIs64uLnCw)


 "History: In The Making, Solar Storms, Solar Flares, Solar Maximum" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Pz1SVXIas)


"How to survive radiation: Radiation fallout map, video guides, radiation tips" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M60ZdXCLNLY)


"Fukushima Nuclear Disasters In America, USA Is A Nuclear Time Bomb!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVMtktnCRDI)
13 November 2013
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on December 16, 2014, 03:07:47 pm
CRITTERS are protected :P

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: space otter on December 16, 2014, 03:48:21 pm
radiation spla-diation

it's everywhere so why bother thinking about it
we're all gonna die...

 (just thought I would go along with the gloom and doom theme) :P




http://radonkills.blogspot.com/2005/09/where-is-radon-found.html
In terms of geography, radon can occur pretty much anywhere. But, regions with granitic soils seem to be the most prone. In North America, for example, states like Florida and the majority of Texas are at a low risk of radon gas, while Montana or Maine are almost uniformly areas of high radon potential. Broadly, then, we could say that the radon risk in the United States is higher in the North than in the South. However, we should always be wary of making such blanket statements. It's a good idea to take a look at the EPA's radon map of America, no matter where you live!










http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon

Radon is a chemical element with symbol Rn and atomic number 86. It is a radioactive, colorless, odorless, tasteless[2] noble gas, occurring naturally as an indirect decay product of uranium or thorium. Its most stable isotope, 222Rn, has a half-life of 3.8 days. Radon is one of the densest substances that remains a gas under normal conditions. It is also the only gas under normal conditions that only has radioactive isotopes, and is considered a health hazard due to its radioactivity. Intense radioactivity has also hindered chemical studies of radon and only a few compounds are known.

Radon is formed as one intermediate step in the normal radioactive decay chains, through which thorium and uranium slowly decay into lead. Thorium and uranium are the two most common radioactive elements on earth; they have been around since the earth was formed. Their naturally occurring isotopes have very long half-lives, on the order of billions of years. Thorium and uranium, their decay product radium, and its decay product radon, will therefore continue to occur for tens of millions of years at almost the same concentrations as they do now.[3] As radon itself decays, it produces new radioactive elements called radon daughters or decay products. Unlike the gaseous radon itself, radon daughters are solids and stick to surfaces, such as dust particles in the air. If such contaminated dust is inhaled, these particles can stick to the airways of the lung and increase the risk of developing lung cancer.[4]

Unlike all the other intermediate elements in the aforementioned decay chains, radon is gaseous and easily inhaled. Thus, even in this age of nuclear reactors, naturally-occurring radon is responsible for the majority of the public exposure to ionizing radiation. It is often the single largest contributor to an individual's background radiation dose, and is the most variable from location to location. Despite its short lifetime, some radon gas from natural sources can accumulate to far higher than normal concentrations in buildings, especially in low areas such as basements and crawl spaces due to its heavy nature. It can also be found in some spring waters and hot springs.[5]

Epidemiological studies have shown a clear link between breathing high concentrations of radon and incidence of lung cancer. Thus, radon is considered a significant contaminant that affects indoor air quality worldwide. According to the United States Environmental Protection Agency, radon is the second most frequent cause of lung cancer, after cigarette smoking, causing 21,000 lung cancer deaths per year in the United States. About 2,900 of these deaths occur among people who have never smoked. While radon is the second most frequent cause of lung cancer, it is the number one cause among non-smokers, according to EPA estimates.[6]





http://www.radon.com/radon/radon_facts.html

What is radon?

A layman's description

Radon is a cancer-causing radioactive gas. You cannot see, smell or taste radon, but it may be a problem in your home. The Surgeon General has warned that radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in the United States today. If you smoke and your home has high radon levels, you're at high risk for developing lung cancer. Some scientific studies of radon exposure indicate that children may be more sensitive to radon. This may be due to their higher respiration rate and their rapidly dividing cells, which may be more vulnerable to radiation damage.






http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/citguide.html

A Citizen's Guide to Radon
The Guide to Protecting Yourself and Your Family From Radon
Overview
•How Does Radon Get Into Your Home?
•How to Test Your Home

?Short-term Testing

?How to use a test kit
?Long-term Testing
•What Your Test Results Mean

?Radon and Home Sales
?Radon in Water
•How to Lower the Radon Levels in Your Home
•The Risk of Living With Radon
•Radon Risk Charts
•Radon Myths
•For Further Information

?Hotlines
?EPA Regional Offices, State Radon Offices, Tribal Coordinators
?EPA Publications
EPA is offering print-ready, PC format files of the English version of this guide (EPA-402/C-12/001). These files can assist you in printing your own radon publications for special events or conferences. Each free CD is complete and press-ready, including images and fonts, use the reference number EPA-402/C-12/001 when ordering from NSCEP.

Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on December 16, 2014, 06:01:37 pm
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Profanity and Four-letter words;
enter at your own risk


Didn't You ever want to let it all hang out on a topic that is near
and dear to Your heart?
Our friend Kevin tells it like it is.    ;)

From two years ago.
This will set the stage nicely for what is to follow.     ;)


[youtube]4PruR7x9b2Y[/youtube]

8:30 Fukushima Meltdown nuclear fish WHERE ? U.S.A. kevin d. blanch PROFANITY used 4/2/12 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PruR7x9b2Y)
Published on Apr 2, 2012
The Japanese are not eating their own fish.
WE ARE, here in the United States.


Related:

Radiation 258 times legal limit found in fish off Fukushima - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201208220077)

22 August 2012
Fish off the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant have 258 times the legal limit of radioactive cesium, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday.

The reading for two rock trout, caught about 20 kilometers to the north of the plant, showed 25,800 becquerels per kilogram, the highest yet detected in surveys conducted after last year's nuclear accident.

Consuming 200 grams of the fish would amount to an internal radiation exposure of 0.08 millisievert for a human. The annual safety limit for radiation exposure from food products is 1 millisievert per person.

"The reading was way beyond the levels recorded before," said Tetsu Nozaki, who heads the Fukushima Prefectural Federation of Fisheries Co-operative Associations. "It is worrying."

Related:

Fukushima hot cod stopped from entering U.S. (http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-hot-cod-stopped-from-entering-u-s)

30 August 2012
The central government of Japan has ordered Aomori Prefecture to suspend shipping Pacific cod caught near the port of Hachinohe due to excessive levels of cesium detected, according to The Japan Times Wednesday.

The central government ordered Aomori Prefecture to halt shipping Pacific cod caught near the port of Hachinohe after excessive levels of radioactive cesium were, initiating the first such ban for the prefecture because of the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

Radioactive cesium exceeding the government's allowable safety level of 100 becquerels per kilogram has been detected twice in cod caught off Hachinohe, the government said Monday…

Of course, that was over two years ago.     :P

Radiation 258 times legal limit found in fish off Fukushima - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201208220077)
The US Fears the World will Discover its Big Nuclear Secret (http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/The-US-Fears-the-World-will-Discover-its-Big-Nuclear-Secret.html)

13 July 2013
[…]
One of the ways that the US tried to calm the furore over the Fukushima disaster, was to help Japan to raise the acceptable radiation levels, so that any leak of radioactive particles would be deemed less serious.

And ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was thought to have signed an agreement with her Japanese counterpart to promise that the US would continue to buy seafood from Japan, as proof that all is well, even though the FD has so far refused to actually test the sea-food for any radiation and determine that it is safe for consumption.

As part of the US’s efforts to keep Japan’s nuclear industry alive, at the end of last month, Mainichi Shimbum, one of the largest Japanese newspapers, reported that “the Japanese prime ministerial envoy secretly promised to the United States that Japan would resume its controversial ‘pluthermal’ program, using light-water reactors to burn plutonium, according to documents obtained by the Mainichi.”

The ‘pluthermal’ (http://fukushimaupdate.com/japan-made-secret-promise-with-u-s-to-restart-pluthermal-nuclear-program/) program mixes uranium with plutonium, extracted from spent nuclear fuel, to form a mixed-oxide (MOX). The resulting MOX fuel can then be used in light-water reactors, and provides a useful means of disposing of dangerous plutonium…


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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on December 16, 2014, 07:32:01 pm
OK, as a follow-up to the exciting video previously posted,
we now share with You Kevin's upcoming 'walk about.'  :P

[youtube]XxnJxNBHEgo[/youtube]

7:42 FUKUSHIMA BREAKING NEWS; 12/13/14;
KEVIN D. BLANCH PHD;; POST IGNORANCE 3/20/10 to 12/13/14 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxnJxNBHEgo0)

Published on Dec 12, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jttm…
kevin D. blanch Ogden Utah, 801-452-1908
Fukushima is KILLING 100's of HUMANS A DAY IN NORTH AMERICA;
AND BILLIONS A DAY IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN;;;;
801-452-1908 KEVIN D. BLANCH, AS I LIVE TO PROOF;;;
THE PACIFIC GENOCIDE;;;
http://youtu.be/d9XNzU9c54M;;;;
http://youtu.be/_5oj99UD-Uk;;;;;;

GRADUATION day W.S.U. ;;;; ON BALCO;;;
thank you CLYDE COOLEY for mentoring ME,
I have the last letter of recommendation he every wrote,
the greatest FINANCE Professor in AMERICAN HISTORY,,
( oh ya STEIRCYCLE KILLED HIM;;
(http://www.standard.net/frontpage/201…)
(http://environews.tv/dr-tyler-yeates-...)

Kevin D. blanch
PHD POST IGNORANCE;
12/13/14;; AMERICA / UTAH;; HEALTH;;
Hypotheses: UTAH the IGNORANT liars CAPITOL OF THE WORLD
Abstract and Study: IN THE L.D.S. BONE MARROW TRANSPLANT UNIT,
1400 VIDEO POST IGNORANCE
POPISM IS DEAD,
POST IGNORANCE IS ALIVE VIDEOS;;;;;;;;

http://youtu.be/GyAwCU6-hNg
http://youtu.be/sHkqSu-E2-Y?list=PLGh...
https://www.youtube.com/user/kevindbl…
http://youtu.be/eQc2D3AxrSs;
http://youtu.be/_jttmpev0Lo;
http://youtu.be/OaeJ5I81AAo
http://youtu.be/-wOTSGS6-H0;
http://youtu.be/ySU5IeJsBYw;
http://youtu.be/6_EdoyLdnjo

SAN ONOFRE NUCLEAR LIARS CALLED OUT
http://youtu.be/d9XNzU9c54M;;

EVIDENCE;;; IN SUMMARY;;;;;;;;
SEE 1400 VIDEOS ;;; KEVIN BLANCH YOUTUBE
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=32715910&…

K.S.L. ARE THEY INSANE OR JUST PURE LIARS;;
Utah again moved up in the United Health Foundation's America's Health Rankings,
as it has since 2012, landing in fifth place among other states this year.
Utah Department of Health Director David Patton said it is something
"Utah should be proud of."

LET'S SEE NOW:
A. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1268&sid=...UTAH HIGHEST SKIN CANCER REPORTED BY K.S.L.;;
B. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/...UTAH AUTISM capitol of the WORLD;
C. http://www.drugawareness.org/cnn-utah...Utah prescription DRUG USE CAPITOL OF THE WORLD;
D. http://www.standard.net/Health/2014/0...UTAH MAY BE THE SUICIDE CAPITOL OF THE WORLD
(FIQURES DON’T LIE , LIARS FIQURE)
E. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/25…
F. in Conclusion ;;; UTAH AND AMERICA ;; FFFFF FOR frigING LIARS Capitol of the WORLD

BY THE WAY ANYONE WANT TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST PHD’S
TRY ME frigERS
keivn d. blanch 801-452-1908
as I live to tell
573 South 4700 West, Ogden Utah 84404
http://youtu.be/yimISWbQxE8

LIGHTEN UP BABY ;;;; IT JUST frigING KILLS YOU;;;
ONE YEAR AGO
http://youtu.be/DOuNnnl8GiI
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on December 16, 2014, 09:11:27 pm
radiation spla-diation
it's everywhere so why bother thinking about it
we're all gonna die...

Well...

In terms of geography, radon can occur pretty much anywhere. But, regions with granitic soils seem to be the most prone.

Quote
Radon is formed as one intermediate step in the normal radioactive decay chains, through which thorium and uranium slowly decay into lead.



Back in Canada... we have a Cottage on a lake. It is in the Bancroft region, Grenville Mineral Province.. The land was free from the government, so long as you built on it withing two years.

So my dad boated around the lake looking for a good spot and settled on a huge outcrop of granite. We built in that Gives a nice view ( I have photos in an album somewhere)

Next door was an abandoned mine.. an exploration only 50 feet deep straight into the hill. This old mine had the mine road (which we still use today to access the lot) and rails with ore carts (now long scrapped)

Because of the land laws at the time we were able to build a small second cottage on that property and thus it became ours as well.

It wasn't until years later when I became a rockhound that we discovered it was a URANIUM prospect. I dug out many pounds of deep orange calcite and dark smokey quartz crystals. Wee those two get there rich color from radioactive decay

The granite pegmatite that the cottage sits on is full of small bits of what look like rusty metal... with small fracture lines radiating from them. Well those are bits of radioactive metal and the cracks are from the decompossition.

The Bancroft region has many uranium prospects and other rare earth minerals. I still have a box of very 'HOT" Betafite crystals in the garage. But because of these mines, the birth defect rate in the town of Bancroft and surrounding area is 20 times higher than national average.

My dad spent a LOT of time out there at the cottage, more than all of us. He would catch frogs in the mine water, walked in it barefoot.

My dad died of bone cancer at 62...

The Earths core is MOLTEN  It is kept molten by the decay of radioactive material :D

But tyere is a difference between concentration of natural elements and refines ones. The human body can withstand a LOT of radiation... its simply a matter of HOW MUCH for HOW LONG

Some people can build an immunity to it, the Russians proved that. Scientists are breeding mice that are immune and cockroaches can be put in a microwave and live LOL

It's a matter of degree... if you get a massive does in a short time it will literally burn your flesh off. but low dose over a long time is not so bad

It varies in people too.  And those living in Denver get a lot of radiation from space compared to those living at sea level

So you can buy a house on a Uranium Mine in Denver and most likely survive... but I bet you won't be able to have kids :P
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on December 16, 2014, 09:14:22 pm
One thing that is certain....

...it is very hard to enjoy rock hunting or eatting a banana in one of these

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Somamech on December 17, 2014, 07:43:34 am
Thor I would have to say that Yes we don't really need dirty Nuke Plants considering a place like where I live in Oz has enough sunlight to go full solar!

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Wonder if anyone recalls in the last year or two reading one of those articles that spread like wildfire online containing a heading along the lines of "Top Ten Things you didn't know were Radioactive" propagating around the web?

If you did you would recall that Bananas got a really bad wrap LOL.

The Fact is that Bananas are....

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When a person eats an average 150 gram banana, they absorb about .1 micro-Sieverts of radiation. A person would have to eat 27 bananas a day for 100 years to up their cancer risk by 1 percent.

SOURCE:

http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2014/01/how-radioactive-in-bananas-is-room.html

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The Funny though, in Both USA and Oz Heart Disease is the biggest Killer:

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/HeartMonth/

http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/information-for-professionals/data-and-statistics/Pages/default.aspx

Going by the above stats it would seem people need more bananas :D
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on February 01, 2015, 04:33:05 pm
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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on March 07, 2015, 01:45:25 pm
3 Years, 11 Months, 24 Days

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Countdown to March 11, 2015 in Fukushima (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150311T00&p0=2155&msg=FUKUSHIMA%3A+4+Years%3A+03%2F11%2F2015)

Another Fukushima compilation video with excellent photos, IMHO, of course.
Certainly worth the 20 minute investment, IMHO, of course.


FUKUSHIMA 2015 Complete Rare Films Updates and IMPORTANT News on FUKUSHIMA Problem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78OzrPHBuLo)

Published on Feb 25, 2015
FUKUSHIMA 2015 Complete Rare Films Updates and IMPORTANT News on FUKUSHIMA Problem
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on March 11, 2015, 06:38:17 pm
[youtube]Pi_kRXrYNSs#t=92[/youtube]

Nuke Your Guts Out (MakeNuclearHistory.org) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_kRXrYNSs#t=92)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 31, 2015, 06:35:17 pm
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ETERNAL DISASTER: Outline of the Fukushima Never-ending Catastrophe (http://afaz.at/fuku_engl.html)

What on earth could possibly justify a technology that can have such atrocious consequences?

Why are we taking that risk?

Why are we continuing down this nefarious path, even though after Windscale, after Three Mile Island, after Chernobyl and now after Fukushima it has become absolutely clear that this technology transcends our means of controlling it?


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Why is lying and the suppression of facts still rampant? As this technology is threatening our very existence – why don't we just quit?

1986, four months after the Chernobyl accident, Morris Rosen (http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/12/fukushima-and-the-nuclear-pushers/), nuclear safety expert at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/12/19/israels-deep-cover-agents-inside-the-iaea/), stated:

“Even if there were an accident of this type every year, I would still regard nuclear power as a valuable source of energy.”

Valuable. Valuable for whom?

Not for business.
Private investors are not interested in nuclear power, even when governments offer billions in subsidies. The market knows: economically nuclear power is not viable, not least because of its inherent risks.

Not for the environment.
In the course of producing highly toxic wastes that remain dangerous for thousands of years, some electricity is generated as a by-product (and plutonium for the DOE/DOD).

Today the nuclear industry is touting NPPs as a panacea for preventing climate change. Of course, nuclear zealots keep silent about the fact that electricity accounts for a mere 17% of the globe's total energy consumption.

Of these 17%, just about one tenth, 1,7%, is being produced by nuclear.

Therefore, in order to combat climate change effectively by using nuclear, we would have to embark on an enormous building spree.

Even if we put the pharaonic costs incurred by such a monstrous project aside, the insolvable problem of how to handle the nuclear waste would be immeasurably exacerbated yet again.

What then is the magic ingredient that makes this technology so valuable?

Best Regards,
A Reader (http://afaz.at/imgfuk_e/leserbr_engl.pdf)

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: zorgon on August 01, 2015, 03:51:47 am
No, it's called a CME :P More radiation than a hundred Fukushimas  :P

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 21, 2015, 05:05:09 pm
[youtube]SSCGjcZK9VQ[/youtube]

Fukushima news; the TRUTH WHY the Change 10 DOLLAR BILL & CLIMATE. Nuclear energy - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCGjcZK9VQ)

Published on Sep 21, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/playlist? the bud light of WRATH;;list=PLGhBOubTK9slxyGMNEhj1DKapIi­e6v_Z4
Post ignorance the second GREAT AMERICAN Revolution;; STARTS NOW kevin D. blanch https://www.gofundme.com/sdc76s
The Real Reason they are changing the 10 $ BILL; NEW YORK REAL PATRIOT'S CRUSH ROYALS and I don’t mean K.C. Alexander Hamilton, Assassinated U.S. President McKinley, JOLLY OLD ENGLAND$ NEW EAST INDIA COMPANY$;; Amerigo Vespucci spook SPANISH;; STAY UN-TUNA-ED
https://youtu.be/Cxk0YaN8lWc REMEMBER THE 5TH OF November, that is NOVEMBER 5 TH 2013
don't lower your friging voice raise, IT,,, THROW THE TEA OVER BOARD, PAUL REVERE SCREAMED THROW THE STREETS,
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/17/gop-debate-jeb-bush-wants-margaret-thatcher-on-the-10-bill.html
https://youtu.be/XbIQb1KxGQ4 AT HAMILTON'S GRAVE
TODAY IS WORLD PEACE DAY;;; POST IGNORANCE my world EVERYDAY IS WORLD PEACE DAY;;; KEVIN D. BLANCH 9/21/2015
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: ArMaP on September 21, 2015, 05:51:06 pm
Are you sure you didn't post that video on the wrong thread? It looks more suited for the "Humor, Off Topic and Just Plain Sillyness" forum.  :P
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: WarToad on September 22, 2015, 04:36:34 am
Thor's inner Peace, Love, and Light™ is shining through.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on September 22, 2015, 06:37:34 am
Thank you.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on April 18, 2016, 06:02:40 pm
[youtube]82V6E4sm054[/youtube]

CERN/ COLLAPSING THE EARTH'S SHIELDS - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82V6E4sm054)

Published on Apr 12, 2016
Once again as CERN Increases the power in the collisions the earth's Magnetopause collapses.

http://www.BPearthWatch.Com

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: ColoradoGold on May 03, 2016, 08:14:18 pm
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An Insider’s Exposé of the Fukushima Nuclear Disaster (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/19/an-insiders-expose-of-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster/)

APRIL 19, 2016
Katsuya Hirano – Hirotaka Kasai
[…]
Because exposure to radiation is dangerous. If exposure weren’t dangerous, if low levels of exposure were safe, there’d be no problem even without that legal limit. But exposure to radiation is dangerous-this is the conclusion of all research. So every nation in the world has set legal limits for exposure.

For people like me who get paid to work with radiation, it’s not really possible to observe the 1mSv/yr limit [1mSv/yr]. We’re told that in exchange for our salaries, we accept exposure to twenty milliSieverts a year. That’s the standard I work under in my job. But the current Japanese government has now stated that if contamination is under 20mSv/yr somewhere, that place is safe to return to-safe to return to even for children. This is way beyond common sense.

Hirano: What is the basis of this claim? Why would the government announce these numbers and forcefully declare these areas safe to return to? What’s the basis for the government’s numbers?

Koide: The basis for those numbers … for example the government says that organizations like the IAEA or the ICRP [International Commission on Radiological Protection] suggest that in emergencies during which the 1mSv/yr standard cannot be maintained standards should be set between twenty and 100mSv/yr.

The government seizes on this and declares that since the IAEA and the ICRP have said this, that 20mSv/yr is therefore a safe level-usually adding that membership in both the IAEA and the ICRP is voluntary anyway. But because these organizations have said this is no reason to break Japanese law.

If Japan is a nation governed by the rule of law at all, surely this means that the very people who make the laws should also follow them – that should be obvious. But these guys have declared 20mSv/yr safe even for children. There is absolutely no way I can consent to Hirano: So there is no scientific basis for these levels.

Koide: Well … the danger corresponds to the amount of exposure-you probably know this – so for a country that has declared its intention to maintain the 1mSv/yr standard to then turn around and ask people to endure twenty times that level, there is no scientific basis for that declaration. That’s a social decision.

But if you want to inquire as to why, as I’ve mentioned to you, some 2.4 petaBecquerels of radioactive material have fallen on Japan, that material has been dispersed, contaminating Tohoku, Kanto, and western Japan. So in addition to the law setting the legal limit for exposure at 1mSv/yr, there is another law that states that absolutely nothing may be removed from a radioactive management area in which the levels exceed 40,000 Becquerels per square meter.

So the question becomes how many places or how much area has been contaminated beyond 40,000 Bq/m2? And according to the investigations, that answer is 140,000 km2. The entirety of Fukushima prefecture has been contaminated to where all of it must be declared a radioactivity management area.

Indeed, while centered on Fukushima, parts of Chiba and Tokyo have also been contaminated. The number of people living in what must be called a radiation-controlled area is in the millions, and could exceed ten million.

For me, if Japan is in fact a nation governed by the rule of law, I believe the government has the responsibility to evacuate these entire communities. Instead of taking a proper action to secure people’s livelihood, the government decided to leave them exposed to the real danger of radiation.

In my view, Fukushima should be declared uninhabitable and the government and TEPCO should bear a legal responsibility for the people displaced and dispossessed by the nuclear disaster. That’s what I think, but if that were to be done, it would likely bankrupt the country. I think that even though it could bankrupt Japan, the government should have carried out the evacuation to set an example of what the government is supposed to do.

But obviously those in and around the LDP certainly didn’t agree. They’ve decided to sacrifice people and get by taking on as little burden as possible. So they’ve made the social decision to force people to endure their exposure. In my view, this is a serious crime committed by Japan’s ruling elite.

I would like people to know just how many thousands of people live in this abnormal situation where even nuclear scientists like me are not allowed to enter, not to mention, drink the water. It is strange that this issue has been left out of all debate over the effects of the radioactive exposure.

We must be aware that contemporary Japan continues to operate outside the law in abandoning these people to their fate by saying it’s an extraordinary situation. Under such circumstances, I think, there are a multitude of symptoms of illnesses in contaminated areas. But if we’re talking about any given symptom, it’s hard to say since we just don’t have any good epidemiological studies, or even any good data. But there will surely be symptoms, namely cancer and leukemia.

However little exposure to radiation is, it causes cancer and leukaemia-this is the conclusion of all current science. These symptoms are said to become visible 5 years after the initial exposure. But because radiation is not the sole cause of cancer or leukaemia establishing a direct causal relationship is extremely difficult. For this very reason we need to continue to investigate the state of exposure by conducting rigorous epidemiological studies.

But this government wishes instead to hide the damage so I’m afraid no such study is on the horizon. In addition, I have heard about many cases of nose bleeding, severe headaches, and extreme exhaustion. And I am truly concerned about small children and young people living in Fukushima as they are most vulnerable to exposure.
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on July 18, 2016, 04:37:25 pm
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Fukushima Update Contagious Cancer Cells in Ocean Infecting Several Species Suspect? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8s6KihXtE)

Strontium Milks
Published on Jul 16, 2016

All along the western Canadian coast, mussels are dying.

Their blobby bodies are swollen by tumors. The blood-like fluid that fills their interiors is clogged with malignant cells. They're all sick with the same thing: cancer. And it seems to be spreading.

For all its harrowing, terrifying damage, the saving grace of cancer has always been that it dies with its host. Its destructive power comes from turning victims' own cells against them and making them run amok.

But when molecular biologist Stephen Goff biopsied these mussels, he found something strange.

The tumor cells didn't have the same DNA as their host. Instead, every mussel was being killed by the same line of cancerous cells, which were jumping from one individual to the next like a virus. The mussels, as well as two other species of bivalve examined by Goff and his colleagues, are dying from contagious cancer.

Scientists just doubled the number of known contagious cancers - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/06/22/scientists-just-doubled-the-number-of-known-contagious-cancers/)
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: Shasta56 on January 05, 2017, 08:25:31 am
The incidence of cancer being caused by viruses is documented.  HPV is probably the best known.

Shasta
Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on January 12, 2017, 03:36:13 pm
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Bags containing contaminated soil and other materials produced through decontamination work
are seen at a provisional storage site in Tomioka, Fukushima Prefecture.


Nuclear watchdog questions Environment Ministry’s plan to reuse radioactive soil (https://nuclear-news.net/)

The Nuclear Regulation Authority (NRA) has raised questions about the Environment Ministry’s proposal to reuse radioactive soil resulting from decontamination work around the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant due to the insufficiency of information on how such material would be managed, it has been learned.

As the ministry has not provided a sufficient amount of information, the nuclear watchdog has not allowed the ministry to seek advice from its Radiation Council — a necessary step in determining standards for radiation exposure associated with the reuse of contaminated materials.

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The Ministry of the Environment discussed the reuse of contaminated soil in closed-door meetings with radiation experts between January and May last year. The standard for the reuse of such materials as metal produced in the process of decommissioning nuclear reactors is set at 100 becquerels of radioactive cesium per kilogram.

Materials with a contamination level topping 8,000 becquerels are handled as “designated waste” requiring special treatment.
In examining the reuse of contaminated soil, the ministry in June decided on a policy of reusing soil containing up to 8,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium per kilogram as a base for roads with concrete coverings.

According to sources close to the matter, the ministry sounded the NRA out on consulting with the Radiation Council over the upper limit of 8,000 becquerels and other issues. An official from the NRA requested the ministry to provide a detailed explanation on how such soil would be handled, including the prospect of when the ministry would end its management of the reused soil, and how it would prevent illegal dumping. The official then told the ministry that the rule of 100-becquerel-per-kilogram rule would need to be guaranteed if contaminated soil were reused without ministry oversight.

The official is also said to have expressed concerns over the ministry plan, questioning the possibility of contaminated soil being used in somebody’s yard in a regular neighborhood. Since the ministry failed to respond with a detailed explanation, the NRA did not allow the ministry to consult with the Radiation Council.

Government bodies are required to consult with the council under law when establishing standards for prevention of radiation hazards. It was the Radiation Council that set up the 8,000-becquerel rule for designated waste.

An official from the NRA’s Radiation Protection and Safeguards Division told the Mainichi Shimbun, “We told the ministry that unless it provides a detailed explanation on how contaminated soil would be used and on how it will manage such material, we cannot judge if its plan would be safe.”

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Title: Re: Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
Post by: thorfourwinds on April 13, 2019, 02:06:37 pm
https://youtu.be/sEXMb7FIP9o

Military 5G Weapon, UN's Green New World Order, & Nuclear Rain

Jim Lee