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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2018, 10:16:40 pm »


well this  should be interesting to see how it is established as fake or not..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42560688

Emmanuel Macron: French president announces 'fake news' law
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French President Emmanuel Macron has announced plans for a new law to combat so-called fake news.

He said that during elections social media would face tougher rules over the content that they put online.

Deliberate attempts were being made to blur lines between truth and lies and undermine people's faith in liberal democracy, he added.

Correspondents say there is no question that Mr Macron had Russia in mind when he made the announcement.

He has already spoken out publicly about what he sees as Moscow's attempts to manipulate opinion in Europe and the United States.

>How fake news plagued 2017
>Facebook to expose Russian fake news pages
>Fake news: Universities offer tips


'Protect democracy'
Speaking at a new year reception for the media, Mr Macron said it was possible now at a cost of just a few thousand euros to propagate untruths over social media.

"Thousands of propaganda accounts on social networks are spreading all over the world, in all languages, lies invented to tarnish political officials, personalities, public figures, journalists," he said.

In response, he proposed imposing tougher rules on social media about revealing the sources of apparent news content.

He also said limits would be put on how much could be spent on sponsored news material.

"We will develop our legal system to protect democracy from this fake news," he said, quoted by AFP.

France's audiovisual regulator would be given extra powers to "fight any destabilisation attempt by television channels controlled or influenced by foreign states", he added.

Mr Macron denounced Russia media outlets RT and Sputnik at a joint news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin last May, accusing them of spreading "deceitful propaganda".

Since then RT has launched a French-language TV channel.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2018, 07:07:32 am »

well this  should be interesting to see how it is established as fake or not..
The only thing I think can be done without turning into censorship and, because of what he said, I think they are thinking about, is to make a clear distinction between personal opinions and paid space, as it appears that paid posts were the (supposed) problem.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2018, 08:41:17 am »


i agree with you Armap
but i was wondering how strongly they planned on inforceing their law..
will they do background checks on single names to make sure that they are opinions and not planted comments. ?

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2018, 10:58:12 am »
The French were suckers and fools to trust Macron.  It's just another, 'vote for any one you want, get the same result'. 

Note the usual propaganda about Russian news. Meanwhile, the US violates international law, builds bases in Syria, helps terrorists, wrecks Libya and then claims to have defeated ISIS after Russia actually finished them.  Maybe Macron is some Vichy official who got reincarnated.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2018, 02:29:40 pm »

while i don't feel this is 'fake news' per se..it is about fake news
it isn't fake news because it is

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The charges brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller are seen as a major development in his continuing probe into the US 2016 election.
i feel the bbc is the least bias and the article is verrrrrrry interesting regardless of what polictial feelings you have
i think it tells us, that if nothing else.
beware : qualify your source : do more research


the entire article is worth the time and can be found at the link


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43095881


What does the indictment say?

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said there was no allegation that any American was "a knowing participant in this illegal activity" nor was it alleged that the meddling altered the election outcome.

Three of the people named have also been accused of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and five have been accused of aggravated identity theft. Three companies have also been charged.

The 37-page indictment says a group of Russians:

Posed as Americans, and opened financial accounts in their name; some visited the US
Spent thousands of dollars a month buying political advertising
Purchased US server space in an effort to hide their Russian affiliation

Organised and promoted political rallies within the United States

Posted political messages on social media accounts that impersonated real US citizens

Promoted information that disparaged Hillary Clinton

Received money from clients to post on US social media sites

Created themed groups on social media on hot-button issues, particularly on Facebook and Instagram

Operated with a monthly budget of as much as $1.25m (£890,000)

Financed the building of a cage large enough to hold an actress portraying Hillary Clinton in a prison uniform

The indictment says those involved systematically monitored the success of their internet posts.

and who is to say that other countries  haven't done the same
after all there are groups in this country that carry out the same 'attempt at influencing' under many names



some other links

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43091945
Russia-Trump inquiry: Full text of Mueller's indictment
16 February 2018


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40709270
Russia-Trump: Who's who in the drama to end all dramas?
23 January 2018


http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43093390
The tactics of a Russian troll farm
16 February 2018


i think the most telling quote is this one:
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"The Americans are very impressionable people, they see what they want to see...," he was quoted as saying by Russian news agency Ria Novosti on Friday. "I'm not at all upset that I'm on this list. If they want to see the devil, let them see him."
opps forgot to add who was being quoted
Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as "Putin's chef"




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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2018, 06:55:12 am »
Posed as Americans, and opened financial accounts in their name; some visited the US
I suppose that's the only possibility for an illegal action, if they used real people's identities, which I doubt.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2018, 12:20:36 pm »


to the question of why would the russians bother
here's a thought


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-praises-trump-says-us-political-system-eating-itself/ar-BBJYFBa?li=BBnb7Kz

Putin praises Trump, says U.S. political system 'eating itself'
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Speaking about the bitter tensions in Russia-West relations, Putin said they have been rooted in Western efforts to contain and weaken Russia.

"We are a great power, and no one likes competition," he said.
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He added starkly: "Yes, it will mean a global catastrophe for mankind, for the entire world. But as a citizen of Russia and the head of Russian state I would ask: What is such a world for, if there were no Russia?"






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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2018, 08:26:09 am »
 
is it  human nature to believe the false stuff or have we been conditioned somehow..sigh

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/study-finds-fake-info-travels-faster-than-truth-on-twitter/2018/03/08/7bea3748-2303-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html?utm_term=.5bf8c1c6d5eb

Study finds false stories travel way faster than the truth

A new study published Thursday, March 8, 2018, in the journal Science shows that false information on the social media network travels six times faster than the truth and reaches far more people. (Jeff Chiu/Associated Press)

By Seth Borenstein | AP March 8 at 4:19 PM
WASHINGTON — Twitter loves lies. A new study finds that false information on the social media network travels six times faster than the truth and reaches far more people.

And you can’t blame bots; it’s us, say the authors of the largest study of online misinformation.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology looked at more than 126,000 stories tweeted millions of times between 2006 and the end of 2016 — before Donald Trump took office but during the combative presidential campaign. They found that “fake news” sped through Twitter “farther, faster, deeper and more broadly than the truth in all categories of information,” according to the study in Thursday’s journal Science .

“No matter how you slice it, falsity wins out,” said co-author Deb Roy, who runs MIT’s Laboratory for Social Machines and is a former chief media scientist at Twitter.

Twitter funded the study but had no say in the outcome, according to the researchers.

The scientists calculated that the average false story takes about 10 hours to reach 1,500 Twitter users, versus about 60 hours for the truth. On average, false information reaches 35 percent more people than true news.

While true news stories almost never got retweeted to 1,000 people, the top 1 percent of the false ones got to as many as 100,000 people.


And when the researchers looked at how stories cascade — how they link from one person to another like a family tree — false information reached as many as 24 generations, while true information maxed out at a dozen.

Concern over bogus stories online has escalated in recent months because of evidence the Russians spread disinformation on social media during the 2016 presidential campaign to sow discord in the U.S. and damage Hillary Clinton.

Social media companies have experimented with using computer algorithms and human fact-checkers to try to weed out false information and abuse online. Twitter earlier this month said it is seeking help from outside experts to better deal with the problem. And Facebook this week announced a partnership with The Associated Press to identify and debunk false and misleading stories about the midterm elections.

“We have witnessed abuse, harassment, troll armies, manipulation through bots and human-coordination, misinformation campaigns and increasingly divisive echo chambers,” tweeted Twitter co-founder and CEO Jack Dorsey. “We aren’t proud of how people have taken advantage of our service, or our inability to address it fast enough.”

The MIT study took the 126,285 stories and checked them against six independent fact-checking sites — snopes.com, politifact.com, factcheck.org, truthorfiction.com, hoax-slayer.com and urbanlegends.about.com— to classify them as true, false or mixed. Nearly two-thirds were false, just under one-fifth were true, and the rest were mixed.

The six fact-checking websites agreed with each other on classification at least 95 percent of the time, plus two outside researchers did some independent fact-checking to make sure everything was OK, said co-author Sinan Aral, an MIT management professor.

Lead author Soroush Vosoughi, an MIT data scientist, said the three false stories that traveled the farthest and fastest were about a Muslim guard called a hero in the Paris bombings of 2015; an Iraq war veteran finishing as runner-up to Caitlyn Jenner for an ESPN courage award ; and an episode of “The Simpsons” that had a story line in 2000 about a Trump presidency. (It was in 2015.)

University of Pennsylvania communications professor Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a co-founder of factcheck.org, had problems with the way the study looked at true and false stories. The MIT team characterized a story’s truth on a 1-to-5 scale, with 1 being completely false. Factcheck.org, Jamieson said, looks more at context and does not label something either true or false.


She also suggested that calling this bogus information “false stories” does not capture how malignant it is. She said it would “better be called viral deception. VD. And treated as analogous to venereal disease.”

The researchers looked at obvious bots — automated accounts — and took them out. While the bots tweeted false information at a higher rate than humans, it wasn’t that much of a difference, and even without bots, lies still spread faster and farther, Roy said.

David Lazer, a political and computer scientist at Northeastern University who wasn’t part of the study but wrote an accompanying report, praised the MIT research but said the scientists may have missed a lot of bots and cyborgs — sort of in-between humans. His ongoing, not-yet-published research has found that about 80 percent of false stories come from just one-tenth of 1 percent of users.

The researchers dug deeper to find out what kind of false information travels faster and farther. False political stories — researchers didn’t separate conservative versus liberal — and stuff that was surprising or anger-provoking spread faster than other types of lies, Aral said.


“Falsehood was significantly more novel than the truth,” Aral said. “It’s easy to be novel when you make things up.”

That fits perfectly with previous research on the psychology of fake information, said Yale University’s Dan Kahan and Dartmouth College’s Brendan Nyhan, scientists who study the phenomenon.

“The more strange and more sensational the story sounds, the more likely they are going to retweet,” Kahan said.

Nyhan and Lazer said that while more fact-checking and education of people on how to tell fake from real can be helpful, the more effective solution will have to come from the social media platforms themselves.

Roy said the study results reminded him of the often-cited quotation that essentially says a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its boots — or pants — on. It’s been attributed to Mark Twain and Winston Churchill. But that would be misinformation. Politifact traced a version of it back to Jonathan Swift in 1710.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2018, 07:46:37 pm »
Could we introduce a requirement that all Televisions have a "Bullshit Meter" incorporated?

This would alleviate the need to filter all news to ascertain whether it is correct or not.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2018, 07:50:01 pm »
Could we introduce a requirement that all Televisions have a "Bullpoop Meter" incorporated?

This would alleviate the need to filter all news to ascertain whether it is correct or not.

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I just said to hell with it and don't watch the news period.

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2018, 06:05:10 am »
Could we introduce a requirement that all Televisions have a "Bullpoop Meter" incorporated?
There's a problem with that, who decides what is and what is not "bullpoop"?

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2018, 11:33:13 am »

i guess anything you read online needs to be questioned  big time..sigh

POLITICS 03/14/2018 05:45 am ET

How A Twitter Fight Over Bernie Sanders Revealed A Network Of Fake Accounts
One Democratic Party consultant said an unnamed client controlled many of these accounts.

By Paul Blumenthal

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Trevor, a Sanders supporter who declined to provide his last name for fear of being doxxed, but goes by @likingonline on Twitter, noticed a strange pattern of behavior when Albright responded to him. Her tweets addressing him were rapidly retweeted by the same series of accounts. This created a barrage of notifications making it look as though there was an avalanche of opposition to everything he said.

But as Trevor discovered, after an extensive amount of research that he posted online, these were not normal accounts. They appeared to be bots ― automated accounts masked as real people being used to amplify a particular political message. Who is really pulling the strings, however, remains a mystery.


entire article here:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-bot-network-sally-albright_us_5aa2f548e4b07047bec68023

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2018, 11:06:16 am »
evidence is adding up

Did Russian trolls just try to register for a Texas Democratic convention?
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William M. Arkin and Kevin Monahan
4 hrs ago

On Saturday, March 24, hundreds of Texas Democratic Party activists will gather at the Austin Hyatt Regency to nominate candidates for political office in Travis County, a kick-off event leading up to the 2018 mid-term elections.

But some people who tried to register will not be attending, among them Candida McGruder. Gustavo Chubb. Geraldo Tinsley. Vincent Amundson. Roxie Male.

That's because these five individuals and 43 others who signed up to attend don't appear to be Travis County residents, or Texans, or even Americans. They might not even be real people. They may be pranksters — or they may be Russian trolls, and their appearance in Texas could represent the first public example of foreign probing of the 2018 elections.

Five senior intelligence officers, two current and three former, say the case of the Texas 48 looks like Russian meddling. And they tell NBC News that despite the clumsiness of the failed registrations, the Texas case fits a pattern of Russian behavior seen in its covert operations.

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Maxey, legislative affairs director for the Texas Democratic Party and a former member of the Texas House of Representatives, said that at the time just over 2,500 Texas citizens had successfully registered online for the Travis County meeting. He went through the aborted registrations by hand, checking to see whether the registrations had been "kicked back" because of simple errors, in which case he would follow up with the individuals.

Maxey found a few unfinished registrations that were simple mistakes. But he identified 48 that were problematic, meaning they seemed unconnected to anybody living in Texas. Twenty-five of those 48 were trying to register with email addresses ending in "mail.ru." Those last two letters, .ru, are the Internet designation for domains in Russia.


entire article is here
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/did-russian-trolls-just-try-to-register-for-a-texas-democratic-convention/ar-BBKfd8I?li=BBnbcA1

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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2018, 02:04:53 pm »
ah it gets even grimmer.. the sheeple herders are using all the tools they can
escape sheeple   escape while you can


03/19/2018 03:21 pm ET Updated 42 minutes ago
By Nina Golgowski



Cambridge Analytica Execs Bragged Of Using Fake News, Sex To Sway Elections

The admissions were recorded during a probe into the firm, which was hired by President Trump’s 2016 campaign.


Disturbing undercover interviews with executives from U.K.-based political research firm Cambridge Analytica have revealed admissions of bribery, entrapment and the use of sex workers to sway political elections around the world, according to an investigative series airing Monday.

The results of a monthslong investigation by Britain’s Channel 4 News revealed Cambridge Analytica’s inner workings as told by Alexander Nix, the company’s chief executive, and Mark Turnbull, the managing director of CA Political Global, to a reporter posing as a client.

The interviews are part of Channel 4 News’ “Data, Democracy and Dirty Tricks” investigation series.
( for all the embedded links thru this article go to the posted link for this article)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=796&v=mpbeOCKZFfQ

During phone calls and in-person meetings at a London hotel from November 2017 to January 2018, Nix was recorded bragging that his firm and parent company Strategic Communications Laboratories (SCL) secretly influenced more than 200 elections around the world, including those in Nigeria, Kenya, the Czech Republic, India and Argentina.

Cambridge Analytica was also hired by President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign. The firm recently made news for using data acquired by Facebook to build “psychographic profiles” about voters without their knowledge.

According to Channel 4′s meetings with Nix, his firm’s methods for influencing an election included putting certain politicians in compromising positions and secretly recording them, as well as conducting their work using fake IDs, websites, and under different company names so that the company’s relationship with the client is not publicly known.
“We do incognito very well indeed,” Nix said according to one December interview cited by Channel 4.

The company’s chief data officer, Dr. Alex Tayler, is also listed as having attended two of the meetings with the Channel 4 reporter.

During another interview in January, Nix reportedly said that one method of finding dirt on a candidate was to essentially create it.

“We’ll have a wealthy developer come in, somebody posing as a wealthy developer,” he said. “They will offer a large amount of money to the candidate, to finance his campaign in exchange for land, for instance. We’ll have the whole thing recorded on cameras, we’ll blank out the face of our guy and we post it on the internet.”

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https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/975716455894409218?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Fcambridge-analytica-under-cover-interviews_us_5aafebc3e4b0697dfe19352b&tfw_creator=Glowgow&tfw_site=HuffPostPol

In another example, the CEO reportedly said the firm will “send some girls,” specifically Ukranian women, to a candidate’s house to seduce the individual, an act that Nix said “works very well.”

“I’m just giving you examples of what can be done and what, what has been done,” he told the reporter.

Other methods involved making the public believe inaccurate facts about a certain candidate.

“I mean, it sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true, as long as they’re believed,” he said.

... These are things that don’t necessarily need to be true, as long as they’re believed.”
“It’s no good fighting an election campaign on the facts,” Turnbull is reported as saying in November, “because actually it’s all about emotion, it’s all about emotion.”

Channel 4 noted that though Turnbull witnessed Nix’s comments on the use of sex workers, during a Dec. 19 interview, Turnbull said his company isn’t “in the business of entrapment” and “lying, making stuff up.”

“We wouldn’t send a pretty girl out to seduce a politician and then film them in their bedroom and then release the film. There are companies that do this, but to me, that crosses a line…” Turnbull is reported as saying.

A Cambridge Analytica spokesman, cited by Channel 4, denied reports that its firm and affiliates “use entrapment, bribes, or so-called ‘honey-traps’ for any purpose whatsoever ... ”

The company did not immediately respond to a request for comment from HuffPost on Monday.

View Part 1 of Channel 4′s “Data, Democracy and Dirty Tricks” series.

link:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cambridge-analytica-under-cover-interviews_us_5aafebc3e4b0697dfe19352b




RELATED...
Cambridge Analytica Expert Suspended By Facebook After Disclosing Data Misuse

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cambridge-analytica-expert-suspended-by-facebook-after-disclosing-data-misuse_us_5aaf0c2fe4b05b22180013d4

03/19/2018 07:27 am ET
Cambridge Analytica Expert Suspended By Facebook After Disclosing Data Misuse
“For blowing the whistle. On something they have known privately for 2 years.”
By Mary Papenfuss




and then there was an article a while back about the whistleblowers agent turning there info over to who they were blowing the whistle on
this world is f***ed up
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Re: fake news - live
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2018, 05:52:10 am »
it continues ..
ok so farcebook was doing the investigating.? wonder what the 'proper' guys will find now.
are people really as stupid as this indicates...


03/19/2018 09:58 pm ET
By Antonia Blumberg

U.K. To Investigate Cambridge Analytica, Asks Facebook Auditors To Stand Down
“These investigations need to be undertaken by the proper authorities,” said one Parliament member.

British officials asked Facebook on Monday to pull auditors it hired to investigate Cambridge Analytica, the political research firm that was involved in a massive data breach during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In a statement, Facebook said forensic auditors from cybersecurity company Stroz Friedberg were on site at Cambridge Analytica’s London office on Monday evening until they were asked to leave.

“At the request of the U.K. Information Commissioner’s Office, which has announced it is pursuing a warrant to conduct its own on-site investigation, the Stroz Friedberg auditors stood down,” Facebook said.

Facebook’s auditors had reportedly entered Cambridge Analytica’s office before British and European Union investigators could investigate.

British Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham said Monday that she was requesting a warrant to access Cambridge Analytica’s servers after the firm didn’t cooperate with an investigation into whether it illegally acquired and used Facebook users’ data.

rest of the article is here
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/uk-cambridge-analytica-investigation_us_5ab05783e4b00549ac7e68cf


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also article here

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/facebooks-data-scandal-could-get-even-worse/ar-BBKsyFX?li=BBnb4R7

Facebook says the user data in question was initially properly gathered by a psychology professor, who then passed it to Cambridge Analytica. That breached Facebook's rules.

Cambridge Analytica says it deleted all the data in 2015 when it learned that Facebook rules had been broken. It has agreed to an inspection by Facebook-hired auditors, Facebook said Monday.

Facebook shares suffered their biggest one-day fall in four years on Monday wiping $37 billion off the company's value. They are poised to fall again Tuesday, slipping 1% in premarket trading.
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