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Offline Ellirium113

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Loophole Could Allow Private Land Claims on Other Worlds
« on: April 06, 2012, 09:14:26 am »
Loophole Could Allow Private Land Claims on Other Worlds

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Who owns the moon? What about Mars?

For now, the answer is no one, but as more private companies, billionaire entrepreneurs and national governments start casting their eyes on space, the question could change from a futuristic problem into a real issue.

No one...how about three?  :)

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Under the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which governs international space law, no one nation can claim sovereignty over a body in space. But there could be a loophole.

Full blown colonization and settlement of other planets, moons and even asteroids might actually happen, says space policy consultant Rand Simberg, if a government could provide one thing: property rights.

Parceling out plots of land on celestial bodies might encourage people to invest in these properties, and this would benefit Earth economically, according to Simberg. He proposes the Space Settlement Prize Act and lays out how such a scheme would work in a new paper published by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a libertarian think tank, on Apr. 2.

The international community might never buy into such a plan. The Outer Space Treaty states that space is the “common interest of all mankind” and that exploration or use of it “should be carried on for the benefit of all peoples.” Traditionally, this has been interpreted as prohibiting private property claims on other bodies in the solar system. The U.S., along with dozens of other countries, has ratified the treaty.

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Claiming land on the moon would certainly violate the 1979 Moon Treaty, which specifically bans any nation from asserting sovereignty over any part of the moon and prohibits ownership by private persons. But the major spacefaring nations — including the U.S., Russia, and China — have never ratified this international treaty and it is often considered dead legislation.

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But Simberg doesn’t see this as a pressing matter. “There are people who believe that rocks have rights; I’m not one of them,” he said.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/04/moon-mars-property/

Now...about those 3...    :P


Lunar Mineral Rights secured by Dr. Joseph Resnick, Lt. Col. Timothy R. O'Neill, Ph.D. (U.S. Army, Ret.) and Guy Cramer


A loophole in Space Law allows individuals and companies to hold Mineral Rights on the Moon, Mars and other celestial bodies. Growing concern from Scientists that these rights may be held hostage have been alleviated by a three man North American team; Dr. Joseph Resnick, Dr. Timothy R. O'Neill and Guy Cramer (ROC-Resnick/O'Neill/Cramer team) who have acquired the mineral rights for 95% of the side of the moon that faces Earth, the polar regions and 50% of the far side of the moon.

http://www.specintel.com/lunarROC/index.htm

But why stop there? what about mars?  :o

Mars Mineral Rights secured by Dr. Joseph Resnick, Lt. Col. Timothy R. O'Neill, Ph.D. (U.S. Army, Ret.), and Guy Cramer


Dr. Resnick (former NASA scientist and current consultant to NASA) states "Space law does not allow countries to have land ownership on planets and moons in the solar system but it does allow for the Mineral Rights to be obtained by individuals and companies." The countries party to the Space Treat Act have agreed that none of them has neither jurisdiction nor ownership of any extraterrestrial body, nor samples.” Dr. Resnick found the loophole in Space Law 25 years ago that allowed him ownership of all planetary bodies outside the "Third Planet from the Sun"... submitted this to the World Court at the Hague, and to the United Nations in New York City. In 25+ years no one has ever disputed Dr. Resnick’s claimed ownership.


http://www.specintel.com/marsROC/index.htm

I find it quite interesting that these same three guys have involvement in HAARP, digital & holographic camouflage tech. & moon mining. Pretty handy to have a hand in all of this if you wanted a way to hide a massive operation from the public eye. Food for thought.

http://www.superforce.com/

http://soldiersystems.net/tag/hyperstealth/

http://www.uniteddynamics.com/
« Last Edit: April 06, 2012, 09:16:50 am by Ellirium113 »

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Re: Loophole Could Allow Private Land Claims on Other Worlds
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2012, 10:03:08 am »
In my opinion, it is "silly" (to put it nicely), for any Earth placed country, government, company, or private individual, to assume such "ownership or control", of "off-Earth property".. We are pretty much like new birth babies, relative to what we know about our moon, solar system, and this universe. We are being pretty high minded, if we think that all we have to do is make a claim somewhere in space, on whatever basis, and have it become "Earth being ownership".

There is a reasonable chance that there are "those" which are able to "yank our chains pretty hard", when we get to a point of stepping on "their toes", relative to their prior claims, or relative to accepted inter-spacial agreements and decorum, regarding "property"!

While these "silly" people can waste their time making such claims, there is a "notable standing" that really should be considered with "off-world property. While it is often joked about, the term "Possession" should be a critical consideration, as in "possession is 9/10'ths of the law". I.E, until you can get to the moon, Mars, or where ever, to possess it, no claims can be made

Just for kicks, this is what "wiki" says about that (in part)

Possession is nine-tenths of the law

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Possession is nine-tenths of the law is an expression meaning that ownership is easier to maintain if one has possession of something, and much more difficult to enforce if one does not. The expression is also stated as "possession is nine points of the law" which is credited as derived from the Scottish expression "Possession is eleven points in the law, and they say there are but twelve."[1]

This principle can be restated as: "in a property dispute (whether real or personal), in the absence of clear and compelling testimony or documentation to the contrary, the person in actual possession of the property is presumed to be the rightful owner. The shirt or blouse you are currently wearing is presumed to be yours, unless someone can prove that it is not."[2]

The adage is not literally true, that by law the person in possession is presumed to have a nine times stronger claim than anyone else, but that "it places in a strong light the legal truth that every claimant must succeed by the strength of his own title, and not by the weakness of his antagonist's."[3] The principle bears some similarity to uti possidetis ("as you possess, so may you continue to possess"), which currently refers to the doctrine that colonial administrative boundaries become international boundaries when a political subdivision or colony achieves independence. Under Roman law, it was an interdict ordering the parties to maintain possession of property until it was determined who owned the property.[4]

 


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