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Title: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 12:36:56 pm
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The Case for the Civilization on the Moon

There is a civilization of human beings who live on the Moon. This is the biggest and best kept secret on earth.

The nearside of the Moon, which is the side that faces earth, appears to be a desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon, which also has a breathable atmosphere also has lakes, rivers, forests, snow-capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

Most of mankinds misconceptions about the moon have been carefully and systematically fed to us over thousands of years.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and that the earth's gravity is 5.5 gr/cm3. And with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

Fg=G x m1m2/r2

The assumption that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 is based on:

1. Earth density is 5.5 gr/cm3 and the gravity of the moon is one sixth that of earth.
2. Observations of asteroids and the Earth's polar axis
3. Angular momentum
4. Soil samples from the moon
5. Keplers Third Law
6. Shockwave measurement

In fact, we have no idea what the density of the moon is and we are just assuming that the density is 3.3 gr/cm3 because that is the only explanation apparent to us at this time. It seems to make sense.
Just as we have no idea what the density of the earth is. We make educated guesses of 5.5 gr/cm3 and we say "Well it has to be 5.5 gr/cm3 because the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and the moons gravity is one sixth that of earth so there is no other option.

Oh yes, and the Cavendish experiment with 2 solid metal spheres. This experiment determined the gravitational constant in Newton's gravitational equation which was then used to determine the mass of the Earth.

And of course they hypothesize and inner and outer iron core of Earth to make in density what they lack in actual evidence.

So essentially we don't really know what earth's density is.

There are 5 main theories for the existence of the moon in orbit around the earth and they are:
1 - Capture from an independent orbit.
2 - Formation as a double planet.
3 - Fission from a rapidly rotating Earth.
4 - disintegration of incoming planetesimals.
5 - Earth impact by a Mars sized planetesimal.

There is another theory that is not generally accepted but its occurrence is far more likely and that is that our moon was placed in orbit around our earth by a civilization very far advanced from our own. Our moon is in rotational lock around our earth. This means that only one face or one hemisphere of the moon, what we call the "nearside", ever faces earth.

A contemporary and completely fallacious and bogus explanation by mainstream science for 'rotational lock' is a fantasy force called 'tidal locking', which has forced the moon, whatever its origin, into this 'rotational lock'.

"Tidal Locking" was only proposed a few years ago to explain the moons rotational lock. In fact, in my opinion, tidal locking has no scientific validity and those who defend it are only making up a theory to account for the unexplainable. Which is what mainstream science is all about anyway.

The scientific community claims that most all of the moons and satellites of the planets in the solar system are 'tidally locked' with their mother planets. In my opinion this is not a fact.

One of the earliest memories of man is that there was a time, many thousands of years ago, when there was no moon in the sky.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the earth was without a moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already there 'before there was a Moon in the sky above the earth'; for this reason, they were called Proselenes.

Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.”

So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence; mine is that it a large space ship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.

Whatever you decide the moon really is or where it came from or how it got here and placed itself into a rotationally locked orbit there are many strange things about our moon which are not easily explained.

One is that its size, when viewed from earth is identical to the apparent size of the sun. Isaac Asimov says, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all planets is blessed in this fashion."

Moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old approximately 700 million years older than the earth. The moons composition should conform to normal planetary formation with heavier elements in the core and lighter elements at the surface. On the moon however, elements like titanium are found at the surface in great quantity.

Another oddity is that women of childbearing age menstruate once every complete cycle of the moon (27.3 days).

Many scientists and astronomers in history have proposed and or believed that the moon has a breathable atmosphere and that there is a civilization, possibly of human-like beings that live on the farside.

In the 1950's there were a number of men, derogatorily referred to as "contactees" that claimed to have been taken to the moon in flying saucers. They were shown magnificent cities with enormous buildings, many strange structures and constructs; rivers, lakes, meadows, forests along with fantastic scenery, much of it similar to earth.

Two of these 'contactees' were George Adamski and Howard Menger, who, unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the Pentagon.

Howard Menger claimed to have ridden on a train that was "a strange vehicle that had no wheels, rested in suspension about a foot above a copper highway which ribboned through the terrain and disappeared from view." He went on: "We boarded the train and soon were gliding noiselessly above the highway. As we traveled we could see all around and above us."

Howard went on to describe the terrain. "Some of the terrain, in one section of the moon near the so-called "dark-side" reminded me of Flagstaff, Arizona while other desert sections made me think of Nevada. Huge cliffs and mountains made our own look like ant hills. One particular desert locale brought to mind "The Valley of  Fire" in Nevada. There we stopped long enough for your guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment, which is all one could take, for it was terrible hot outside-like a blast furnace. I was certain that no one cold have lived outside very long and was glad he had shut the door."

At the end of his 4 day tour of the moon Menger said he was wined and dined by his hosts, along with many others from Earth who had similarly taken the tour.

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Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboar
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 12:57:17 pm
Whatever the truth there is certainly photographic evidence by Russian Zond, Lunar Orbiter and Apollo mission photos that clearly show buildings, mining operations and mining equipment, factories, domes, cranes and in one case, in the crater Aristarchus, we can see what appears to be a huge, 24 miles diameter,  hexagonal, dome shaped structure, emitting or surrounded by a strange blue glow.

(http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/382/aristarchus1bgh8.png)

This blue glow has been described by one nuclear physicist as the Cherenkov Effect which is the result of radiation coming in contact with molecules of air. Modern science has claimed that the moon is an airless, that although there is an atmosphere, it is so minute it is virtually a vacuum. They back up this claim with the formula that the moon has only one sixth the gravity of earth and further claim that no breathable atmosphere could be held intact with that small amount of gravity.

They also point to the films of the Apollo astronauts hopping and skipping across the lunar landscape in apparent one sixth gravity. If one points out that these hops and skips are barely more than 12 inches high, 18 inches at the most they tell you that the astronauts were wearing very heavy spacesuits and backpacks and that it was dangerous to take advantage of the minimum gravity to jump any higher.

If a breathable atmosphere is suggested mainstream science counters that there is no occultation of a star passing behind the moon, thereby proving, they say, that there is no atmosphere.

If you propose that the atmosphere could be very, very clean with no dust or other particles and that the height of the atmosphere might not be thick enough to actually see an occultation they dismiss it with: "What about all the scientific data from all the moon probes and Apollo astronauts?"

And therein lays the question of whether or not there is more than one sixth gravity and or a breathable atmosphere on the moon: who is correct?

The contactees who say there is a civilization on the moon, with some gravity and a breathable atmosphere or mainstream science with all of their billions of dollars of scientific probes and the testimony of the Apollo astronauts, who, it is claimed, were actually there?

One of those astronauts, Buzz Aldrin had this to say about what it felt like to be on the moon:

Edgar Mitchell had this to say:

And Neil Armstrong has had little to say about being the first man on the moon. At the 25th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the moon he commented:

Another puzzle in the mystery of the Moon is the so-called "neutral point". The neutral point is that point in space, between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earth's gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moon's gravity, hence 'neutral point'. Mainstream science, up until a few years ago maintained that the neutral point was 24,000 miles from the moon and that, according to the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square which states:

The gravity on the moon would be one sixth that of earths.But there are a few problems with that 24,000 miles figure.

This is Eugene Cernan's book "The Last Man On The Moon" written with Don Davis. Copyright 1999 Eugene Cernan and Don Davis. St. Martin's Griffin, New York. ISBN 0-312-19906-6 (hc) ISBN 0-312-26351-1 (pbk) LOCC TL789.8.U6A52435 1999 629.45"0092-dc21{b}:

(Inbound to the Moon) "It was Saturday December 9 and we were in the moons firm hold only about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment."

This is Michael Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire An Astronaut's Journeys" Copyright 1974 by Michael Collins. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York LOCCC TL789.85.C64A33 629.4'092'4 {B} 74-7211:

(Outbound from the Moon) "Houston reports the instant at which we leave the lunar sphere of influence. This means that despite the fact we are only 34,000 nautical miles (39,000 statue miles) from the moon and still 174,000 miles from earth, the earth's pull has become dominant, and the mathematical equations now recognize that fact."

Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings” Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003. Cambridge University Press ISBN 0521815959.

(Inbound to the Moon)"Soon after that a new stage in manned spaceflight was reached. Like a ball thrown upwards, the spacecraft had been gradually slowing down, until its velocity was 2724 mph and its position was 202,825 miles from Earth, and 38,900 miles from the Moon. For the first time, men had reached a point where the pull of Earth’s gravity was less than that of another body. Now the pull of lunar gravity was greater and the craft’s speed began to increase again as it fell towards the moon." Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings” Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003.

No matter how many flip flopping, flap jacking Earth Moon sun 'spheres of influence' paradigm shifting 'non-rotating (or rotating) frames of reference' you throw into the mix the fact is at some point the Apollo spacecraft left the dominant pull of earths gravity and was in the dominant pull of the moon's gravity or left the dominant pull of the moon's gravity and was in the dominant pull of the earth's gravity. That point is the neutral point and that point is approximately 43,495 miles.

And that point using the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square to calculate the 'relative' pull of the earth to the relative pull of the moon is, using earth as '1' is .64 for the moon.

That means that the relative gravity on the moon is .64 of earth's gravity. That is approximately 2/3 of earth's gravity. Now you can talk, sing, dance, play pinochle, play charades, stand on your head, spout nonsense like:

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The 'sphere of influence' concept was computationally most practical. That's the second approach.

And in real terms, it's the only 'authentic' definition, as you can show by calculating the Earth-SUN 'neutral point' both ways, and see that the 'classic' (i.e., pre-Space-Age) method gives a neutral point CLOSER to Earth than the moon's orbit -- counter-intuitive and contrary to several billion years of loyal lunar earth-orbiting. Jim Oberg

all you want but the moons gravity is at least 64% of earth's gravity.

Von Braun gave us 43,495 miles; Collins gives us "firm hold only about 38,000 miles out"; Cernan gives us "39,000 miles from the moon out"; Turnhill gives us "38,900 miles from the moon". Now it can't get much clearer than that. Let's look at the possibility, however far fetched it may seem and suppose that some incredibly advanced civilization wanted to monitor earth and its start up mankind, the dawn of civilization on Earth.

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Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboar
Post by: zorgon on September 24, 2011, 01:08:54 pm
Let's suppose that they built a huge spaceship in the form of the Moon. They have designed it so that mankind will never have an inkling that they are being watched, nurtured and helped along.

The Spaceship Moon has on one hemisphere an atmosphere, normal gravity, lakes, mountains, rivers, meadows, forests, large cities in which the owners live and carry out their monitoring of Earth.

On the other hemisphere is a bleak, desolate, seemingly deserted land, bereft of any apparent life, with thousands of craters, huge mares of unknown material and many mountain ranges.

They place the Spacecraft Moon in orbit around the Earth so the developing civilization (us) sees only the bleak, desolate side.

They arrange the distance of this Spacecraft Moon in orbit so that, at least for a while, mankind, in their infinite ignorance will conclude: there can be no gravity; there can be no atmosphere; Conclusion? Nobody is home.

The mysterious 'Watchers' with technology advanced by hundreds of thousands of years has managed to create gravity which is normal on their side but less on the side seen by Earth.

They may accomplish this feat by locating a gravity B generator inside the moon slightly further from earth than the geocentric center. The gravity B generator would cause a normal 1 "g" gravity other farside and .64 "G" on the nearside.

(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/885/lunargravitryarj2.png)

The blue circle represents the gravity B field that is displaced 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from Earth from the geocentric center of the moon. One of the mysteries of the Moon is her "Mascons". Mascons are massive concentrations of gravity which affect the orbital paths of spacecraft flying over them.

The known Mascons on the nearside are Imbrium, Serenitatis, Crisium, Nectaris and Humorum.

Here is how they are oriented on the nearside of the Spaceship Moon:

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Since this Spaceship Moon is not really a "moon" composed of dirt, rock and an iron core it can't maintain it's distance from Earth by normal gravitational attraction (it's not dense enough) it has to maintain it's distance from Earth by other than the gravity generated by the gravity B generator.

To maintain its distance from Earth, the Spaceship Moon might use a gravity A wave generator which is not actually a 'generator" as such; it is a machine that accesses and amplified the gravity A wave which can exert an enormous pull. So enormous in fact that is can hold the Spaceship Moon in orbit around the earth by using the gravity A wave which pulls it toward the earth or actually pulls the Earth towards the Moon.

The gravity A wave has enormous gravity amplifiers through which the amplified gravity A waves extend. These beams might radiate from several of the moon's mascons.

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1903/moongravityawave3mk5.png)

Maybe it's these gravity A wave 'beams' that cause the orbital paths of the spacecraft flying over them to be perturbed. It may also be possible to "ride" one of these amplified A wave beams from the Earth to the Moon.

 Another Spaceship Moon mystery is its 'libration'. Libration is the Spaceship Moons 'wobble' and this wobble is theorized by mainstream science to be caused by "tidal lock". "Tidal lock" is a nonsensical theory to account for unknown forces. Like "gravitons" to account for gravity (which is total nonsense).

Maybe the Spaceship Moon's libration or 'wobble' is caused by the rotation of the moon about the location of the gravity B wave generator which is located further away (from the Earth) from the center of the Spaceship Moon's geocentric center.

It's curious to note that one cycle of libration is equal to one period of rotation of the Spaceship Moon.

In 1856, Peter Andreas Hansen, a much respected Danish Mathematician and Astronomer proposed to the Royal Astronomical Society that the moon was not spherical but ellipsoidal, with the longest axis directed towards earth. Based on the very slight discrepancy between the observed position of the moon and its position predicted by calculation he hypothesized that that the moons center of gravity was not at its geometric center but actually located at a point 59 kilometers (37 miles) farther from earth than the center of the figure.

His theory was that the hemisphere turned towards earth would be elevated above the average altitude of the moon's surface and would therefore be sterile because any atmosphere would seek a lower altitude. But he proposed that the opposite hemisphere, the hemisphere lower in altitude could have an atmosphere and it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things.

If only one hemisphere had an atmosphere that might explain why no stars were occulted, the basis that current science uses to discount an atmosphere on the moon.

Hansen's hypothesis was widely accepted until 1870 when Simon Newcomb came to Europe from the U.S. and ridiculed Hansen's theory not with facts but with the statement that Hansen's work was "mere speculation, unsupported by analogy, probability or observation."

Support for Hansen's theory began to crumble and in the next few years was completely forgotten.

After all, Simon Newcomb was a man of considerable import; he was a U.S. Navy Admiral and Director of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C It's not clear from the papers available today exactly what calculations caused Hansen to believe that the moon's center of gravity was 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from earth but maybe his computations of libration were included.

But whatever his calculations where he concluded that that the farside could have an atmosphere and that "it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and  living things."

All of us have been told, since we were old enough to listen that the moon is a desolate, airless, colorless wasteland.

The U.S. Government even spent 20 billion dollars on the Apollo Program to make sure that we believed it so. They showed us movies of Apollo astronauts, wearing moon suits, hopping around in what was said to be one sixth gravity of the Earth.

I once talked to a former NASA psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of huge 'constructs'.

So NASA has lied to us for almost 50 years about what they know about the moon. Why? Why, indeed. But for whatever reason, the moon is certainly much different than what we have been told whether or not it has a greater gravity and whether or not it has a breathable atmosphere.

My opinion is the moon is an interesting place with most everything we have here on earth; gravity the same; breathable atmosphere; a civilization far advanced from ours; forests, lakes, meadows, rivers, towering snow-capped mountains, gorgeous and inspiring scenery, cities, bridges, highways, huge structures the purpose of which we can only guess.

Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on January 25, 2012, 11:07:04 pm
What an awesome read!  Thank You, zorg, for all this interesting article!  It is fascinating and surely does leave questions that have no pat answers (except within the mainstream scientific community, Whose answers ignore much of these data).
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on January 28, 2012, 06:17:58 pm
If there is a civilization, what about the radiation shielding that we enjoy and they do not?

Wouldn't moon teenagers try and fire off some radio waves in our direction now and then?

I don't see much in the way of other nations craft. So they must all be in on the secret.

How do nations handle that?

Is there any evidence from outgoing robotic spacecraft  looking back and seeing what is on the moon from a perspective the Earthbound cannot?

I would think maybe some evidence of a civilization would be detectable.

How does the moon culture isolate themselves from us, or do they?

0CD
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 12, 2012, 07:08:46 pm
If there is a civilization, what about the radiation shielding that we enjoy and they do not?
ocd, if they are technologically advanced enough to basically have made the moon as a manufactured station, surely they will have a way of shielding themselves;

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Wouldn't moon teenagers try and fire off some radio waves in our direction now and then?
consider that this group of watchers has been lurking there for a very long time; i do believe that steps would be taken to insure that no inadvertant communications and/or signals would be sent our way.

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I don't see much in the way of other nations craft. So they must all be in on the secret.
Considering the Japanese and the Indian moon probes took a butt load of hi-res pics and very few have been released, I would say yes.

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How do nations handle that?
  Good question; but I am sure it is handled behind closed doors.

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Is there any evidence from outgoing robotic spacecraft  looking back and seeing what is on the moon from a perspective the Earthbound cannot?
Consider that we are allowed to see/know only what they want us to...

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I would think maybe some evidence of a civilization would be detectable.
I thought that is exactly what we have been trying to ascertain...

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How does the moon culture isolate themselves from us, or do they?
I suggest reading Ingo Swann; also contemplate that they have to have tech far in advance of ours...

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0CD

just my take on the matter  8)


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Dalbeck on February 13, 2012, 05:12:40 am
Exactly the same topic is being discussed in an upcoming movie, called "Iron Sky".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAfoiN5SDw[/youtube]
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 14, 2012, 02:28:33 pm
ocd, if they are technologically advanced enough to basically have made the moon as a manufactured station, surely they will have a way of shielding themselves;
 consider that this group of watchers has been lurking there for a very long time; i do believe that steps would be taken to insure that no inadvertant communications and/or signals would be sent our way.
 Considering the Japanese and the Indian moon probes took a butt load of hi-res pics and very few have been released, I would say yes.
  Good question; but I am sure it is handled behind closed doors.
 Consider that we are allowed to see/know only what they want us to...
 I thought that is exactly what we have been trying to ascertain...
 I suggest reading Ingo Swann; also contemplate that they have to have tech far in advance of ours...

just my take on the matter  8)


seeker

I appreciate the answers. However, will continue to be unsatisfied about the ability (of Moon Admin) to supress detection of any signifcant population. If I was part of such a population, I would hunger to socially interact with the Earthbound. The youths of countries who are enemies of the US certainly worship our culture if allowed to know about it. (not sure about, say, North Korea, but the Iranians sure know) I would think that any Moon youth with a wire antenna visible to Earth would have access. Just one of those things I can't resolve.

0CD
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Linda Brown on February 14, 2012, 02:38:29 pm
Here is a question. How would the " youths of the moon" even know that we exist? They could have been told all kinds of stories and consider life anywhere but where they are..... totally ridiculous...and when they see a passing ship they may have been fed all kinds of stories about how it was a natural phenomenon.... and ridiculed if they insisted that it wasn't. And maybe if some persisted they might even lose their social standing.... maybe even their " jobs" if they have to worry about such occupations. You are assuming here that the population of the Moon is at all technical.... John says alot.... but maybe there are those who have people saying those same things to them about Earth. Sometimes, when you are raised a certain way.... new thoughts are difficult to accept.   Linda
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 16, 2012, 01:53:49 pm
Here is a question. How would the " youths of the moon" even know that we exist? They could have been told all kinds of stories and consider life anywhere but where they are..... totally ridiculous...and when they see a passing ship they may have been fed all kinds of stories about how it was a natural phenomenon.... and ridiculed if they insisted that it wasn't. And maybe if some persisted they might even lose their social standing.... maybe even their " jobs" if they have to worry about such occupations. You are assuming here that the population of the Moon is at all technical.... John says alot.... but maybe there are those who have people saying those same things to them about Earth. Sometimes, when you are raised a certain way.... new thoughts are difficult to accept.   Linda

Perhaps.

Our thinking is framed in our environment. It's then hard to think in other terms. However, a civilization on the Moon would have to have some technical abilities. No Garden of Eden with life in a loin cloth. Perhaps underground. Certainly food, water, shelter and energy, necessities of life would need to be provided and replenished.
Our Earthly ancestors had a good look at the heavens.

Earth is radiating a full spectrum of EMF. They should know all about "to the Moon Alice" (Honeymooners) and I Love Lucy.

If they are there, they are watching, and listening. Perhaps catching souls?

0CD
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Linda Brown on February 16, 2012, 02:20:12 pm
Yes but  perhaps OCD they don't use things that are based on Electromagnetic principles?

Earth is radiating a full spectrum of EMF. They should know all about "to the Moon Alice" (Honeymooners) and I Love Lucy.

If they are not tuned to EMF they would know nothing..... Just as we are" tuned" to EMF and " hear" nothing else?

"a civilization on the Moon would have to have some technical abilities. No Garden of Eden with life in a loin cloth. Perhaps underground. Certainly food, water, shelter and energy, necessities of life would need to be provided and replenished.
Our Earthly ancestors had a good look at the heavens.  

Agreed to establish that civilization on the Moon technical problems would have to be solved. But once that has happened ..... and the community had food , water.... or whatever it is that they needed as the necessities of life.... perhaps the " builders" could withdraw?

Yes.... I guess that we did have a good view of the heavens.... and maybe a moon based underground society wouldn't..... so that might mean that they might ask even fewer questions?

I think that I am not the only one here seeing vague similarities between a native civilization based on the moon..( if we let our minds soar)...than one that was perhaps spawned here on Earth...where two special rivers met......according to legend Adam and Eve had everything too..... right?

Oh I know that some astronomers would have snit fits listening to us considering the possibilities of an underground system on the moon..... but it never hurts thinking about it.... unless we are packing our bags for a trip tomorrow.  Then I think I would want a little more solid information!!!  Linda 
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on February 16, 2012, 05:46:44 pm
Here is a question. How would the " youths of the moon" even know that we exist? They could have been told all kinds of stories and consider life anywhere but where they are..... totally ridiculous...and when they see a passing ship they may have been fed all kinds of stories about how it was a natural phenomenon.... and ridiculed if they insisted that it wasn't. And maybe if some persisted they might even lose their social standing.... maybe even their " jobs" if they have to worry about such occupations. You are assuming here that the population of the Moon is at all technical.... John says alot.... but maybe there are those who have people saying those same things to them about Earth. Sometimes, when you are raised a certain way.... new thoughts are difficult to accept.   Linda

And since the word is that the civilization mainly lives on the far side...it is possible the kids are told that there's just the moon...  I mean, when would They ever even see the Earth?
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 16, 2012, 07:04:24 pm
According to what has been passed to us by "insiders" the moon's occupants are more advanced, well aware of us, and basically told us to get off their rock; please check out  Ingo Swann at this linky:  http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Superpowers.html and read his account of rv'ing the moon... not only were the inhabitants he "saw" aware of him, but actually seemed a little threatening...is a very good read and details the sighting he was a part of, and another encounter (quite by accident) with a "non-native."
edit  to add: the link to Ingo's book "penetration" which detailed his experiences with the CIA is no longer available...

seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on February 16, 2012, 07:27:27 pm
According to what has been passed to us by "insiders" the moon's occupants are more advanced, well aware of us, and basically told us to get off their rock; please check out  Ingo Swann at this linky:  http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Superpowers.html and read his account of rv'ing the moon... not only were the inhabitants he "saw" aware of him, but actually seemed a little threatening...is a very good read and details the sighting he was a part of, and another encounter (quite by accident) with a "non-native."

I went to the link...  Just the main page there with LOTS of places to go.  Any specific choice?
seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 16, 2012, 07:52:12 pm
the link to the account I mentioned is no longer there; will see if it is available online and post a link...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 17, 2012, 04:12:58 am
This?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann (http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on February 17, 2012, 10:31:16 am
This?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann (http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann)

Nice.  Thank You so much!  I have some readin' to do!

Looking forward!
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Littleenki on February 17, 2012, 07:38:31 pm
I appreciate the answers. However, will continue to be unsatisfied about the ability (of Moon Admin) to supress detection of any signifcant population. If I was part of such a population, I would hunger to socially interact with the Earthbound. The youths of countries who are enemies of the US certainly worship our culture if allowed to know about it. (not sure about, say, North Korea, but the Iranians sure know) I would think that any Moon youth with a wire antenna visible to Earth would have access. Just one of those things I can't resolve.

0CD
Welcome, Zerocd to the coolest forum out there!
Your reply to the post was kind of what some might be thinking at home reading it now, and John even sells a foil hat (auotgraphed of course) if you feel the input getting too great.
I think the way you broke down the piece, and made it a q and a format, is enjoyable to read, and fun to write that way, too.
You might want to take a look at the way John states that, the astronauts that went there, didnt really remember what it felt like on the most important day of their lives. That is a dead giveaway, that either they were brainwashed afterwards, or never went.
I dont think the effect was that mystical, where it erased their sensations of the event.
You do pose some valid points there, and that type of thinking and interest level is an indicator of your passion for the subject.
It also is what makes Living Moon so special, how we can work together to iron out theories and ideas, then present them to the most knowledgable online forum around, and learn the importance of teamwork!
And you should check out Linda Brown's section, too, there are some really cool ideas bouncing around over there, too!
Welcome again, from a fellow newbie:)
Littleenki
(David)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 17, 2012, 08:02:58 pm
This?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann (http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann)
Yes, friend, that is it; I hope you will find it of interest; it definitely is a good read from the father of remote viewing...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 18, 2012, 12:28:35 pm
Although I wonder about a "civilization", I do think that there are a significant amount of goings on both now and ancient history. I think that the Army may have had some success getting there as early as the 1950's and maybe established a base.

NASA came along later when they needed the public to help fund them and to cover military activity.

If we are sending robotic craft to Mars, then we should long ago had many on the Moon. Why don't we? Same for Venus. I don't have much faith in the party line on Venus.

We generally are left to our ourselves to figure out what's up. So, I watch and wait.

I think Stanley Kubrick knew too much, and died for it.

Anyone tried remote viewing?

0CD
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: exuberant1 on February 18, 2012, 12:33:01 pm
Moonport found in image someone requested from the lro:

(http://i.imgur.com/Z7m7M.jpg)

Could just be rocks though.



Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on February 18, 2012, 03:29:15 pm
Is there any other information about that photo can you can share?
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: WeekendWarrior on February 18, 2012, 04:06:06 pm
   All this information is overwhelming me. I always knew inside me that these things are real( I have a sense to feel the truth) and as I was younger these thoughts came to me like someone was telepathically telling me about this universe and expanding my understanding. But something happened and it stopped. Maybe I will tell you what I suspect that caused it, later if anyone is interested. Only thing I regret now ,is the thing that I didn't get to know you people like 15 years earlier.
I cant stop to be greatfull to be part of this community, love you mates :)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 18, 2012, 07:25:45 pm
Has Graham joined? He was at OMF now and then and did fantastic work with black and white images.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: exuberant1 on February 19, 2012, 04:34:33 am
Is there any other information about that photo can you can share?

The feature I posted is the only thing visible in the whole image, everything else is dark. I cropped out the visible feature and posted it here.

*I'd share the image data, but I don't see any benefits. It's just rocks, Armap. You know that.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: WeekendWarrior on February 19, 2012, 06:17:07 am
Although I wonder about a "civilization", I do think that there are a significant amount of goings on both now and ancient history. I think that the Army may have had some success getting there as early as the 1950's and maybe established a base.

NASA came along later when they needed the public to help fund them and to cover military activity.

If we are sending robotic craft to Mars, then we should long ago had many on the Moon. Why don't we? Same for Venus. I don't have much faith in the party line on Venus.

We generally are left to our ourselves to figure out what's up. So, I watch and wait.

I think Stanley Kubrick knew too much, and died for it.

Anyone tried remote viewing?

0CD

Only one done remote wieving on moon I know is Ingo Swann, very interesting story and definetly supports that there is a civilisation on moon.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on February 19, 2012, 02:30:36 pm
*I'd share the image data, but I don't see any benefits. It's just rocks, Armap. You know that.
I don't know that, I think those are just rocks.

And I always prefer to look at the original than at a JPEG. You probably know that.  :)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on February 19, 2012, 05:04:57 pm
Quote
This?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/426672/The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-I-Swann
Yes, friend, that is it; I hope you will find it of interest; it definitely is a good read from the father of remote viewing...


seeker

Thank You both!  I am working My way through it.  Now I know where "Axelrod" came from!

I'm a little over halfway through.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 19, 2012, 07:30:26 pm
Only one done remote wieving on moon I know is Ingo Swann, very interesting story and definetly supports that there is a civilisation on moon.
WW, from an interview Art Bell did years ago with Ed Dames, it was alluded to that Ed and perhaps Joe McMonagle both had taken coordinate views of the moon and if I remember correctly, of Mars; will see if I can dig up anything on it...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: johnlear on February 19, 2012, 07:46:15 pm
WW, from an interview Art Bell did years ago with Ed Dames, it was alluded to that Ed and perhaps Joe McMonagle both had taken coordinate views of the moon and if I remember correctly, of Mars; will see if I can dig up anything on it...


seeker


Not Joe.

When he was tasked to follow the soul of a guy who had just been killed in an automobile accident south of San Francisco. He followed the soul direct towards the moon.

It was being wrapped up in 'something'

As he got closer to the moon he was warned mentally to "Stay away. This is not your place."

The warning eventually got so loud and threatening that he broke of the chase.

He never got close enought to see anything.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on February 19, 2012, 08:00:56 pm

Not Joe.

When he was tasked to follow the soul of a guy who had just been killed in an automobile accident south of San Francisco. He followed the soul direct towards the moon.

It was being wrapped up in 'something'

As he got closer to the moon he was warned mentally to "Stay away. This is not your place."

The warning eventually got so loud and threatening that he broke of the chase.

He never got close enought to see anything.
Thanks John; it has been a very long time since that radio program aired, and my mental recollection of them have fogged with the passage of time... :D

I am sure you have some more to dangle in front of us  8)

You  always keep it interesting...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Littleenki on February 19, 2012, 10:10:14 pm

Not Joe.

When he was tasked to follow the soul of a guy who had just been killed in an automobile accident south of San Francisco. He followed the soul direct towards the moon.

It was being wrapped up in 'something'

As he got closer to the moon he was warned mentally to "Stay away. This is not your place."

The warning eventually got so loud and threatening that he broke of the chase.

He never got close enought to see anything.
Hello, John, and allow me to thank you for all of your life's work.
it is a dream of mine to see life or something alive on the moon ever since my RV experience three years ago. I know not many people are familiar with the real RVing, and most know of the military type, but that's not how it works for me. When in a meditative state that day, I realized I was seeing my window without asking. I never had a view like that, and never probably will again.
I observed a blue light emanating from a spot on the near side of the moon, and focused in on it.
Then all of my target went black, and I got a splitting headache. I know I was interecepted, because now I know the headache is the indicator for outside contact.

This didnt occur to me yet, until I RVed the Uss Nashville for Linda's thread, and saw a small vessel aside her in the Bahamas. While thinking of the later viewing I would undertake, I slipped into a sort of half meditation(i was tired!)while vacuuming my pool. I noticed the strokes of the vacuum were soothing, and then felt a warm tingly feeling all over, I thought about the Nashville for one second, and Bam, there was the headache. I wasnt even RVing yet!

Anyway, it is an honor to even be able to reply to someone like yourself, who has seen the truth, and lived the life of a soldier of knowledge.
I will remember this day, as the first time we communicated, John, although I hope it isnt the last, by any means!
Thanks again, John, Littleenki
(David)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: johnlear on February 20, 2012, 12:48:11 pm
Hello, John, and allow me to thank you for all of your life's work.
it is a dream of mine to see life or something alive on the moon ever since my RV experience three years ago. I know not many people are familiar with the real RVing, and most know of the military type, but that's not how it works for me. When in a meditative state that day, I realized I was seeing my window without asking. I never had a view like that, and never probably will again.
I observed a blue light emanating from a spot on the near side of the moon, and focused in on it.
Then all of my target went black, and I got a splitting headache. I know I was interecepted, because now I know the headache is the indicator for outside contact.

This didnt occur to me yet, until I RVed the Uss Nashville for Linda's thread, and saw a small vessel aside her in the Bahamas. While thinking of the later viewing I would undertake, I slipped into a sort of half meditation(i was tired!)while vacuuming my pool. I noticed the strokes of the vacuum were soothing, and then felt a warm tingly feeling all over, I thought about the Nashville for one second, and Bam, there was the headache. I wasnt even RVing yet!

Anyway, it is an honor to even be able to reply to someone like yourself, who has seen the truth, and lived the life of a soldier of knowledge.
I will remember this day, as the first time we communicated, John, although I hope it isnt the last, by any means!
Thanks again, John, Littleenki
(David)

Thanks David,

For those kind words.

All the best
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: WeekendWarrior on February 20, 2012, 01:29:07 pm

Not Joe.

When he was tasked to follow the soul of a guy who had just been killed in an automobile accident south of San Francisco. He followed the soul direct towards the moon.

It was being wrapped up in 'something'

As he got closer to the moon he was warned mentally to "Stay away. This is not your place."

The warning eventually got so loud and threatening that he broke of the chase.

He never got close enought to see anything.

  Thats interesting, as I remember Mr. Swann had same kind of feeling, that hes not welcome to do he's remote viewing on moon. He said the people he saw there could "sense" he's presence somehow and didn't like it..
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 20, 2012, 04:00:20 pm
Extraterrestrials: China releases Moon footage of alien bases (http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/ufo_extraterrestrials/2012/02/20/3060.html)
Video at link above

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IyfLE2Opp4s/T0H4kLfJWvI/AAAAAAAADSc/kmR_kCuDwL4/s400/Alien,+base,+Aliens,+building,+structure,+moon,+surface,+ancient,+China,+Chang%27e+2,+mission,+announcement,+Chinese,+discovered,+found,+ET,+W56,+luna,+lunar,+apollo,+NASA,+ufo,+sightingScreen+Shot+2012-02-20+at+3.26.52+PM.png)

Quote:
The report stipulates:



"I was sent some pictures by a source who claims China will be releasing Hi Res images taken by the Chang'e-2 moon orbiter, which clearly show buildings and structures on the moons surface. He also claims NASA has deliberately bombed important areas of the Moon in an effort to destroy ancient artefacts and facility's. Pictures yet to be released clearly show nuclear impact craters and building debris caused by explosions in an effort by NASA to destroy the truth. China is moving toward full disclosure of the Extraterrestrial reality, if these images and future ones are verified genuine then NASA should be investigated for fraud and treason. China will be releasing all the data and images from the Chang'e-2 in the coming weeks and months, lets hope this is the beginning of a new era."

Internet site reference: http://scottcwaring.blogspot.com/2012/02/alien-moon-base-captured-by-change-2.html

I can't anything to back it up yet. China did just release a map of the entire moon. This site has tools but extremely busy ATM!
http://159.226.88.30:8080/CE2release/cesMain.jsp
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on February 21, 2012, 04:17:26 am
If the "Chang'e-2" vid is a hoax, I apologize. Can't find where China released anything but the map and that could not be this vid.

0CD
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: arc on May 18, 2012, 12:47:52 am
Zerocd

Thank you for your research. The tcpip address as supplied is registered to the CHINA Science and Technology Network (details below)

inetnum:        159.226.0.0 - 159.226.255.255
netname:       CSTNET
descr:            CHINA SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY NETWORK
descr:            No.4, Zhongguancun 4th South Street,
descr:            Haidian District, Beijing
country:         CN
admin-c:        LH90-AP
tech-c:           LH90-AP
status:           ALLOCATED PORTABLE
remarks:        transferred from ERX
mnt-by:         MAINT-CNNIC-AP
mnt-lower:     MAINT-CN-CSTNET
mnt-routes:    MAINT-CN-CSTNET
changed:        ipas@cnnic.cn 20100326
source:          APNIC


I suggest that you folk take a careful look at that first page from the site and notice the "logos" lined up along the bottom of the screen
Chinese (Space Military Agency),  USA -NASA, RUSSIA- Federal.Space.RU,  ESA -European Space Agency ,Japanese Space Agency,



I guess the only ones not mentioned are the International Society of Space Penguins...


Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on May 18, 2012, 02:25:31 am
@arc

Interesting . Not sure I am looking at the right page to see logos.

I used IE and Firefox to view.

Main Page: http://www.cstnet.cn/english/index.htm

Brief Introduction Page:  http://www.cstnet.cn/english/internationalexchangesandooperation/briefintroduction.htm

Link?
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Littleenki on May 18, 2012, 06:31:50 am
You guys are seeing the underlying connection that some call the illuminati or bilderbergs or what have you, rear its hidden head.

We all know in our heart there is something going on underneath or noses, and John has strived so selflessly to bring the truth to us here.

It seems even some of the high ranking poiliticians around us are fodder for the NWO, and they are losing their minds...watch the news in the near future and tell me they arent acting very odd, and aloof.

Heres the first step, what they call the New Majority Agenda. Be Aware!
http://www.crossroadsgps.org/2012/01/crossroads-gps-launches-new-majority-agenda-issues-platform/

As far as the case for a civilization on the moon, why not? I cant find one reason why we wouldnt have a base there, and to watch this charade of NASA and the other so called space agencies, which are false flag operations all the way, makes me realize how stupid they think we are. VERY!

Our tech has gone way beyond rockets and non manuevering spacecraft, and what we and they have now is most likely a fleet designed specifically for the purpose of clandestine space travel and mining explorations.
Just hopefully not depopulation, as some suspect.
I ask again...hey Cheney, where did that 23 trillion go? Yep I thought so, and hey! nice spaceship, Dick!

Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: arc on May 18, 2012, 02:32:51 pm
Using just the first part of the url without the additional internal network port redirection "8080" as per your first post

Main page   http://159.226.88.30

cheers
arc
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zerocd on May 18, 2012, 05:21:17 pm
Using just the first part of the url without the additional internal network port redirection "8080" as per your first post

Main page   http://159.226.88.30

cheers
arc

Thanks!
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Tartura on May 22, 2012, 11:43:14 pm
Well, we are told that when an object hits the surface of the moon,  the moon resonates like a bell; thus indicating that  it is hollow; thus, a manufactured satelite.
About the rebellious teenagers on the moon:  children of an advanced civilization might be very much more sophisticated than many adult earthlings.  You cannot make assumptions about a life form that you have never encountered
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on May 23, 2012, 05:46:06 pm
Well, we are told that when an object hits the surface of the moon,  the moon resonates like a bell; thus indicating that  it is hollow; thus, a manufactured satelite.
No, indicating that it's a solid. Have you ever hit block of iron with a hammer? It also resonates like a bell.

Also, even if it's hollow, that doesn't mean that the only explanation is that it is manufactured.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on May 23, 2012, 07:07:07 pm
No, indicating that it's a solid. Have you ever hit block of iron with a hammer? It also resonates like a bell.

Also, even if it's hollow, that doesn't mean that the only explanation is that it is manufactured.

According to Carl Sagan, hollow bodies (of planet/moon size) cannot form naturally...  Of course, One has to accept that He knew what He was talking about...
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: rdunk on May 23, 2012, 07:25:06 pm
No, indicating that it's a solid. Have you ever hit block of iron with a hammer? It also resonates like a bell.

Also, even if it's hollow, that doesn't mean that the only explanation is that it is manufactured.

ArMaP, have you never struck a steel anvil"? When you strike an anvil with a hammer, or a steel sledge, it really does make a loud noise!! But, in doing that, I have never heard a "continuing resonance" from an anvil, and that would be because it is very hard, and very solid.

Of course, everyone knows what a bell, and similar hollow objects do, when struck - they resonate. 

I Have no knowledge of "Moon resonance", but, if it is hollow, then there might be some, when struck!  ;)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on May 24, 2012, 04:57:11 pm
Armap, old friend, if you read the accounts and reports from the deliberate crashing of that craft into the lunar surface, the report states that " it rang like a bell", not an anvil. ;D implying that it is not solid...

perhaps we will find out soon...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on May 24, 2012, 05:02:53 pm
Armap, old friend, if you read the accounts and reports from the deliberate crashing of that craft into the lunar surface, the report states that " it rang like a bell", not an anvil. ;D implying that it is not solid...

perhaps we will find out soon...


seeker

For a long while, at that.  Solid things don'r keep reverberating for long periods of time...  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on May 24, 2012, 05:24:07 pm
ArMaP, have you never struck a steel anvil"?
Yes. :)

And it did reverberated for some time. The biggest difference is that anvils are usually placed in a way that is not that good at letting them reverberate (they are not supposed to be used to make music, although it would make for an interesting band :D ), so the reverberating gets attenuated. If you place a bell on a table, will it ring "like a bell"? No, because there's something preventing it from doing that, for a bell to reverberate like a bell it needs to be as free from contact with anything as possible, that's why they are usually suspended.

I don't know where people got the idea that for something to reverberate "like a bell" it must be hollow. A tuning fork, for example, is not hollow. Cymbals are not hollow.

If you strike a large stone with a hammer you can ear it reverberate for some time.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on May 24, 2012, 05:25:12 pm
Solid things don'r keep reverberating for long periods of time...
They really do, just try it for yourself. :)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Amaterasu on May 24, 2012, 07:46:22 pm
They really do, just try it for yourself. :)

I'll take Your word for it... 
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: sky otter on May 24, 2012, 08:01:02 pm
apologizes in advance..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7Rjju5p3o[/youtube]

and of course..the anvil chorus..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3x-pwJGsgU[/youtube]

tiptoeing away now
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on May 26, 2012, 04:47:41 pm
apologizes in advance..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV7Rjju5p3o[/youtube]
Thanks for that, it's a perfect example of what I was saying. :)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: The Seeker on May 26, 2012, 08:33:50 pm
Armap I think we are a little off track and missing the mark here; yes, an anvil will resonate; but the moon, if it is a solid chunk of rock and dirt, shouldn't; but it did...


seeker
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on May 27, 2012, 09:03:44 am
Armap I think we are a little off track and missing the mark here; yes, an anvil will resonate;
Why does it resonate? Because there's nothing to slow the vibration induced by the hammer. If it's on a table, the table will vibrate, but some of the vibrations will be absorbed by the contact between the anvil and the table.

Quote
but the moon, if it is a solid chunk of rock and dirt, shouldn't;
Why? A solid rock vibrates when hit. If the Moon was only made of dirt it wouldn't resonate, by a solid rock would.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: bobathome on June 01, 2012, 09:42:02 pm
And it could have been placed there,
perfectly,
as the watcher.
 A little battered.
but hey that was quite the show she put on the other night.

 small thinking,its a Galaxy out there.
 Team work, too perfection,what are the odds,
in a Galaxy this big,
:)
:)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: rdunk on June 01, 2012, 10:20:27 pm
Thanks for that, it's a perfect example of what I was saying. :)

Not really a good example at all. An anvil is not useful for an anvil, unless it is hard mounted. Strike when it is hard mounted, and see if you get the same action.

Also doesn't have the solid look of any anvil I have seen! A true anvil is one solid piece of steel. The anvil in the video even sounds hollow, as it is struck. ????
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: bobathome on June 01, 2012, 10:26:07 pm
not sure if this applies,
when the monks version of accounts was given too nasa, of the whack the moon took,
it was still vibrating,
measurements were taken,
lasers remember,would be able too measure, vibrations,
anyway, was confirmed.
the monks account.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on June 02, 2012, 10:59:59 am
Not really a good example at all. An anvil is not useful for an anvil, unless it is hard mounted.
Is the Moon "hard mounted"?

Quote
Also doesn't have the solid look of any anvil I have seen! A true anvil is one solid piece of steel. The anvil in the video even sounds hollow, as it is struck. ????
Get an iron box and an iron block, then struck both. Which one rings better?

PS: Maybe the Moon is related to the ringing rocks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringing_rocks), maybe those olivine diabase rocks.  :)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Pimander on June 02, 2012, 11:31:20 am
The mass of the Moon indicates that it is unlikely to be completely hollow.  It might be partly hollow but can't be completely hollow or its mass would be smaller and it's orbital position would be closer to Earth.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: undo11 on June 02, 2012, 11:37:59 am
The mass of the Moon indicates that it is unlikely to be completely hollow.  It might be partly hollow but can't be completely hollow or its mass would be smaller and it's orbital position would be closer to Earth.

unless it's being kept in that orbit, artifically.  you have to admit, it has alot of unusual features relating to orbit, rotation and etc.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Pimander on June 02, 2012, 12:13:36 pm
unless it's being kept in that orbit, artifically.  you have to admit, it has alot of unusual features relating to orbit, rotation and etc.
There are some phenomenal "coincidences" regarding size, orbital period and other figures regarding the moon.

I will look list a few amazing things regarding the Moon here when I get time.  I'm off for some beers now so it will have to wait until later.  I'll probably start a new thread as I've been sooooooo lazy recently and left it all to you guys. :D

ETA:  Strictly speaking, I should perhaps put that the Moon's orbital dynamics would be different.  The position would not necessarily have to be nearer to Earth, there are other possibilities.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: mutchie6g on August 18, 2012, 08:06:35 pm
 :'( its 2012 wont they ever tell us the truth ???

 the moon cannot be a natural sattelite there is plenty of proof it isnt.

somewhere someone knows the truth !!!
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: mutchie6g on January 13, 2015, 01:01:45 am
3 years has PASSED it is now 2015 and although we suspect there are 2 bases on the far side of the moon still nothing has EVER been admitted officially i think Disclosure is NOT happening the way i had hoped that it would !!!! >:( 
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: ArMaP on January 13, 2015, 02:34:08 pm
3 years has PASSED it is now 2015 and although we suspect there are 2 bases on the far side of the moon still nothing has EVER been admitted officially i think Disclosure is NOT happening the way i had hoped that it would !!!! >:(
If there's nothing to disclose you will wait forever. ;)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zorgon on January 13, 2015, 02:53:32 pm
If there's nothing to disclose you will wait forever. ;)

That is a point :P

But even John says it is possible that dimensional portals may be part of the answer

If you read Admiral Byrd's diary  it shows he didn't fly into a hole in the earth... his plane stayed the same altitude and heading... he simple was here one minute and there the next

This image best illustrates what I mean   Like the Bermuda Triangle stories  the compass went haywire but the sun didn't move...  they just simply entered a portal and were instantly either back in time before Antarctica froze over or in a parallel dimension

It is my opinion that Loch Ness critter and Big foot sightings are the same thing  momentary glimpses into another dimension.  No physical evidence because they are not really here  We just see them through the portal briefly

All my Stargate research, the AF documents, etc etc  point to the same thing. Jacquee Vallee came to this conclusion as well His book "Passport to Magonia" is about that  The Aviary, NIDS at Skin Walker ranch came to this conclusiom

So there is a civilization on the moon but not in out filed of view

The Howard Menger story fits the dimensional theory  so do several other tales. UFO abductions often report time shifts  All the same thing

Even the Qu'ran tells us that Gog and MaGog were forced through a gate an the two gates sealed at both ends
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: Ellirium113 on January 13, 2015, 03:25:25 pm
It would be interesting to see a correlation of disappearances to see how many of these were on lay lines or intersections of ley lines. I do not think that if there is a correlation that one could expect the portals to remain constant. I think they would move constantly as the earth tilts and rotates but I think that they would be on a path that followed the ley lines.
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: mutchie6g on January 13, 2015, 05:25:32 pm
So was Admiral Byrd actually CLOSE to the North pole when he crossed into the portal ? Because i noted with INTEREST that when he was brought to speak to the leader he was told and i quote - "We brought you here " suggesting that they had control over the portal and who could enter into their Domain but they were very aware of US that is for sure ....
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: RUSSO on January 13, 2015, 09:18:44 pm


So there is a civilization on the moon but not in out filed of view



Or Ingo Swann got it right and they are in the "dark" or even inside the moon.

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Swann described his work with individuals in an unknown agency who study extraterrestrials, his remote viewing of a secret E.T. base on the hidden side of the moon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann)

Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zorgon on January 14, 2015, 01:09:01 am
So was Admiral Byrd actually CLOSE to the North pole when he crossed into the portal ? Because i noted with INTEREST that when he was brought to speak to the leader he was told and i quote - "We brought you here " suggesting that they had control over the portal and who could enter into their Domain but they were very aware of US that is for sure ....

South Pole Antarctica :P

0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again. 1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like animal! Report this to base camp.

Entrance To Agartha Found?
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=166.msg1447#msg1447
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zorgon on January 14, 2015, 01:17:06 am
It would be interesting to see a correlation of disappearances to see how many of these were on lay lines or intersections of ley lines. I do not think that if there is a correlation that one could expect the portals to remain constant. I think they would move constantly as the earth tilts and rotates but I think that they would be on a path that followed the ley lines.

That would be an interesting project...

The "Natural" portals do not stay open  We have boats sailing Bermuda Triangle all the time that don't vanish. The one at Roslyn Chapel you need to open t, same at Frenchmen's Mtn behind John's House

Oddly enough Dan Burisches accounts seem to indicate they have some device  like they use in Sliders (TV Show) but he spoke of them long before the show

The more I look, the more I find that all the strange stories Nessie, UFOs, Bigfoot...  all points to some kind of portal involved. Even the old Faerie stories people disappearing into portals... gates of the gods in all cultures... more portals

This is a storm that appeared in the Bermuda Triangle  I would be making haste to get outta there LOL

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Electric_Universe/Storm_Pacific_Bermuda.png)
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: zorgon on January 14, 2015, 01:22:42 am
Or Ingo Swann got it right and they are in the "dark" or even inside the moon.

I think the Base that Ingo saw is in our real time. I think it is the same base Apollo saw (if they actually went)

The Russians have two bases according to my sources and a space station farside.

We have bases up their according to my research and Army Docs and we have at least one station with artificial gravity at LI  (admin would have seen the papers though I have not posted this yet)

So there is a lot going on 

Just ONCE I wish someonen would hand me some solid PROOF  even if I couldn't share it :P
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: RUSSO on January 14, 2015, 04:10:24 am
I think the Base that Ingo saw is in our real time. I think it is the same base Apollo saw (if they actually went)

Just ONCE I wish someonen would hand me some solid PROOF  even if I couldn't share it :P

I feel 2015 may be THE year. I would ask for you to share, but Im aware we cant have everything we want. :-X
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: mutchie6g on January 14, 2015, 05:32:38 am
Is there much AIR TRAFFIC in the South pole .... its the sort of place you volunteer to go to is it ???? So hold on here did Byrd go back a 2nd time ? And that was when they took Damage ?
Title: Re: The case for the civilization on the Moon
Post by: AliensShrinkedMyPony on May 27, 2017, 07:17:21 pm
If anybody wants a new link for the PDF : The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy - I Swann 


http://www.wanttoknow.info/ufos/penetration.ingo_swann.pdf (http://www.wanttoknow.info/ufos/penetration.ingo_swann.pdf)