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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2016, 06:48:25 AM »

OUCH   !!!


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/16/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-warns-ofeconomic-fallout-if-congress-passes-9-11-bill.html?_r=0

By MARK MAZZETTI              APRIL 15, 2016

Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill


WASHINGTON — Saudi Arabia has told the Obama administration and members of Congress that it will sell off hundreds of billions of dollars’ worth of American assets held by the kingdom if Congress passes a bill that would allow the Saudi government to be held responsible in American courts for any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The Obama administration has lobbied Congress to block the bill’s passage, according to administration officials and congressional aides from both parties, and the Saudi threats have been the subject of intense discussions in recent weeks between lawmakers and officials from the State Department and the Pentagon. The officials have warned senators of diplomatic and economic fallout from the legislation.

Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi foreign minister, delivered the kingdom’s message personally last month during a trip to Washington, telling lawmakers that Saudi Arabia would be forced to sell up to $750 billion in treasury securities and other assets in the United States before they could be in danger of being frozen by American courts.

Several outside economists are skeptical that the Saudis will follow through, saying that such a sell-off would be difficult to execute and would end up crippling the kingdom’s economy. But the threat is another sign of the escalating tensions between Saudi Arabia and the United States.

The administration, which argues that the legislation would put Americans at legal risk overseas, has been lobbying so intently against the bill that some lawmakers and families of Sept. 11 victims are infuriated. In their view, the Obama administration has consistently sided with the kingdom and has thwarted their efforts to learn what they believe to be the truth about the role some Saudi officials played in the terrorist plot.

“It’s stunning to think that our government would back the Saudis over its own citizens,” said Mindy Kleinberg, whose husband died in the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and who is part of a group of victims’ family members pushing for the legislation.

President Obama will arrive in Riyadh on Wednesday for meetings with King Salman and other Saudi officials. It is unclear whether the dispute over the Sept. 11 legislation will be on the agenda for the talks.

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A spokesman for the Saudi Embassy did not respond to a message seeking comment.

Saudi officials have long denied that the kingdom had any role in the Sept. 11 plot, and the 9/11 Commission found “no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.” But critics have noted that the commission’s narrow wording left open the possibility that less senior officials or parts of the Saudi government could have played a role. Suspicions have lingered, partly because of the conclusions of a 2002 congressional inquiry into the attacks that cited some evidence that Saudi officials living in the United States at the time had a hand in the plot.

Those conclusions, contained in 28 pages of the report, still have not been released publicly.

The dispute comes as bipartisan criticism is growing in Congress about Washington’s alliance with Saudi Arabia, for decades a crucial American ally in the Middle East and half of a partnership that once received little scrutiny from lawmakers. Last week, two senators introduced a resolution that would put restrictions on American arms sales to Saudi Arabia, which have expanded during the Obama administration.

Families of the Sept. 11 victims have used the courts to try to hold members of the Saudi royal family, Saudi banks and charities liable because of what the plaintiffs charged was Saudi financial support for terrorism. These efforts have largely been stymied, in part because of a 1976 law that gives foreign nations some immunity from lawsuits in American courts.

The Senate bill is intended to make clear that the immunity given to foreign nations under the law should not apply in cases where nations are found culpable for terrorist attacks that kill Americans on United States soil. If the bill were to pass both houses of Congress and be signed by the president, it could clear a path for the role of the Saudi government to be examined in the Sept. 11 lawsuits.

Obama administration officials counter that weakening the sovereign immunity provisions would put the American government, along with its citizens and corporations, in legal risk abroad because other nations might retaliate with their own legislation. Secretary of State John Kerry told a Senate panel in February that the bill, in its current form, would “expose the United States of America to lawsuits and take away our sovereign immunity and create a terrible precedent.”

The bill’s sponsors have said that the legislation is purposely drawn very narrowly — involving only attacks on American soil — to reduce the prospect that other nations might try to fight back.


In a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill on March 4, Anne W. Patterson, an assistant secretary of state, and Andrew Exum, a top Pentagon official on Middle East policy, told staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee that American troops and civilians could be in legal jeopardy if other nations decide to retaliate and strip Americans of immunity abroad. They also discussed the Saudi threats specifically, laying out the impacts if Saudi Arabia made good on its economic threats.

John Kirby, a State Department spokesman, said in a statement that the administration stands by the victims of terrorism, “especially those who suffered and sacrificed so much on 9/11.”

Edwin M. Truman, a fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, said he thought the Saudis were most likely making an “empty threat.” Selling hundreds of billions of dollars in American assets would not only be technically difficult to pull off, he said, but would also very likely cause global market turmoil for which the Saudis would be blamed.

Moreover, he said, it could destabilize the American dollar — the currency to which the Saudi riyal is pegged.

“The only way they could punish us is by punishing themselves,” Mr. Truman said.

The bill is an anomaly in a Congress fractured by bitter partisanship, especially during an election year. It is sponsored by Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, and Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York. It has the support of an unlikely coalition of liberal and conservative senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas. It passed through the Judiciary Committee in January without dissent.

“As our nation confronts new and expanding terror networks that are targeting our citizens, stopping the funding source for terrorists becomes even more important,” Mr. Cornyn said last month.

The alliance with Saudi Arabia has frayed in recent years as the White House has tried to thaw ties with Iran — Saudi Arabia’s bitter enemy— in the midst of recriminations between American and Saudi officials about the role that both countries should play in the stability of the Middle East.

But the administration has supported Saudi Arabia on other fronts, including providing the country with targeting intelligence and logistical support for its war in Yemen. The Saudi military is flying jets and dropping bombs it bought from the United States — part of the billions of dollars in arms deals that have been negotiated with Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf nations during the Obama administration.

The war has been a humanitarian disaster and fueled a resurgence of Al Qaeda in Yemen, leading to the resolution in Congress to put new restrictions on arms deals to the kingdom. Senator Christopher S. Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, one of the resolution’s sponsors and a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that Congress has been “feckless” in conducting oversight of arms sales, especially those destined for Saudi Arabia.

“My first desire is for our relationship with Saudi Arabia to come with a greater degree of conditionality than it currently does,” he said.





Jennifer Steinhauer contributed reporting.

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Re: has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?????
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2016, 07:22:56 AM »
Yes, thank you!

The collapse of the Saud regime could help world peace enormously.  No more funding of extremist Islam across the globe.

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2017, 03:35:40 PM »

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman.html

Saudi Arabia Rewrites Succession as King Replaces Heir With Son, 31

By BEN HUBBARD JUNE 21, 2017
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King Salman’s decrees on Wednesday removed Mohammed bin Nayef from both the line of succession and his post as interior minister, to which he named Abdulaziz bin Saud bin Nayef, 33, another young prince with little experience relevant to the ministry’s extensive security, law enforcement and intelligence duties.

Another of the king’s sons, Prince Khalid bin Salman, was recently named ambassador to the United States. He is believed to be in his late 20s.



“A lot of people are happy that a younger generation is coming to power, but those who are upset are the older generation, no doubt about it, who are not to used to this kind of dramatic change,” said Joseph A. Kechichian, a senior fellow at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies, who has extensive contacts inside the family. “Even if people are uncomfortable, at the end of the day this is a monarchical decision, and people will either have to accept the new arrangement or they will essentially have to keep their mouths shut.”

The young prince, known as M.B.S., emerged from obscurity after his 81-year-old father ascended to the throne in January 2015. He has since accumulated vast powers, serving as defense minister, overseeing the state oil monopoly, working to overhaul the Saudi economy and building ties with foreign leaders, including President Trump..

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Re: has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?????
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2017, 05:07:04 PM »
I get the impression that much of the reviews of what the Saudis are doing are strongly influenced by their money, hence favorable.

Whoever is in charge is infected with massive arrogance - they started a war with Yemen and exposed how wildly ineffective their military is.  Then, they made Qatar into an enemy and then gave Turkey (their former owners as Ottomans) an excuse to put military forces on their borders.  They pretty much betrayed the Palestinians but no one cares.

 

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Re: has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?????
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2017, 09:30:20 PM »
  yep this is the guy to watch, imo

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41874117

Saudi princes among dozens detained in anti-corruption purge
3 hours ago
 From the section Middle East

AFP
The anti-corruption committee was formed by royal decree and is headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman

A new Saudi anti-corruption body has detained 11 princes, four sitting ministers and dozens of former ministers, media reports say.
The detentions came hours after the new committee, headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, was formed by royal decree.
Those detained were not named.

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says Prince Mohammed is moving to consolidate his growing power while spearheading a reform programme.

It is not clear what those detained are suspected of. However, Saudi broadcaster Al-Arabiya said fresh investigations had been launched into the 2009 Jeddah floods and the outbreak of the Mers virus which emerged in Saudi Arabia in 2012.

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Who is Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40354415

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https://news.sky.com/story/ballistic-missile-intercepted-near-riyadh-saudi-state-media-11113802
02:28, UK,
Sunday 05 November 2017

Ballistic missile from Yemen intercepted near Riyadh - Saudi state media
Sky's Dominic Waghorn says that, if Houthi rebels in Yemen have fired an Iranian missile at Riyadh airport, it is a game changer.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/07/us-saudi-arabia-missile-defence-system-thaad

US approves sale of $15bn missile defence system to Saudi Arabia
Pentagon says possible deal improves security in the Gulf ‘in the face of Iranian and other regional threats’



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Re: has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?????
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 02:54:30 PM »


just thought you'ld like to see what kind of PRISON these guys are in.. ;D

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/saudi-royals-arrested-hotel_us_5a01ca07e4b07eb511822c68?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

WORLD NEWS 11/07/2017 01:01 pm ET Updated 2 hours ago
Inside The Lavish Makeshift Prison Where Arrested Saudi Royals Are Being Held
The Ritz-Carlton is “among the most majestic five-star hotels in Saudi Arabia.”

By Jesselyn Cook



With more than 50 acres of “lavishly landscaped” gardens, nearly 500 “spacious and sumptuous” rooms, a “world-class” spa and a “stunning” indoor pool, the Ritz-Carlton in the Saudi capital of Riyadh is among the country’s “most majestic five-star hotels,” according to its website.

Booking a one-bedroom accommodation there in January 2018 would set you back around 1,165 to 3,899 Saudi riyal ― about $311 to $1,039 ― per night, before taxes.

Unless, of course, you are among the group of more than 30 arrested Saudi royals and elites detained in this “elegant oasis,” which now doubles as the world’s most extravagant prison.



Beginning on Saturday, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman carried out a massive, multiday crackdown, ostensibly to target corruption, under decree from his father, King Salman. The crown prince arrested dozens of rich, powerful and prominent men, including several Saudi princes and ministers, without formal charges. As The New York Times notes, the purge has been viewed by some as an attempt on Prince Salman’s part to consolidate power.

Holding such high-ranking figures in an actual jail cell while they are investigated would have been viewed as deeply insulting ― so other arrangements were made.

“He couldn’t have put them in the jail,” a senior official said, per The Guardian. “And he would have known that. So this was the most dignified solution he could find.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/06/how-saudi-elite-became-five-star-prisoners-at-the-riyadh-ritz-carlton

Paying guests were expelled Saturday night and sent to other hotels to make room for the reluctant new occupants, The Guardian reports. The detainees are prohibited from leaving the country. It’s not clear how long they will be held at the lavish hotel, or what exactly will happen if they are found guilty.

According to its website, Riyadh’s Ritz-Carlton boasts “a tempting array of amenities,” including:

.492 guest rooms and suites, including two-bedroom Royal suites and one-bedroom Executive suites
.62,000 square feet of event space, including state-of-the-art conference rooms and two grand ballrooms
.Gentlemen’s-only spa offering signature rituals and treatments catering to business travelers
.Majestic indoor heated pool offering garden views from its floor-to-ceiling windows
.Collection of dining experiences highlighting international and local cuisine
.Each room features a television, DVD player and refreshment bar, among other amenities.


A message posted on the site reads: “Due to unforeseen circumstances, the hotel’s internet and telephone lines are currently disconnected until further notice.”

The hotel’s past guests have included U.S. President Donald Trump ― who expressed support for Saudi Arabia’s recent purge ― as well as former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former President Barack Obama and a number of Saudi billionaires.




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Re: has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?????
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 04:22:28 PM »
Don't tell me you were expecting them to be arrested in a common prison?
What do you think they are, savages?  :P

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 07:16:41 PM »


nope!  not me..
but i am really curious what happens when they get out of there
unless of course bin salman  has a way of erasing their wealth.. after all they are all related..aren't they?

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 06:58:19 AM »
I suppose they are all related, but is that a good or a bad thing?

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 09:50:03 AM »
I suppose they are all related, but is that a good or a bad thing?

I don't know mate!

I banished half of my family many a year ago to wondrous effect as I don't have to listen to their BS.  I still get a card in the mail etc from my mother which I ignore and life is good... My mother is like Clinton and Trump rolled into one. 

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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2017, 07:10:52 AM »
I suppose they are all related, but is that a good or a bad thing?
Probably both  8)
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2017, 10:00:39 PM »
after all they are all related..aren't they?

Well funny you should ask.......   :P

Since we are talking about the Saudi's  Let me fill in some blanks and toss in some teasers...

#1  Saudi Arabia is the home of Mecca...  which means the Saudi's are at the heart of Islam

#2 The Suadi's are Wahhabis... Wahhabism is an Islamic doctrine and religious movement founded by Muhammad ibn Abd ..... However, many call Wahhabism a more strict, Saudi form of Salafi. Wahhabism is the Saudi version of Salafism, ... Saudi Arabians believe that their form of Islam ... is the real true form of Islam, ... In July 2013, Wahhabism was identified by the European Parliament in Strasbourg as the main source of global terrorism. Wahhabism has become increasingly influential, partly because of Saudi money and partly because of Saudi Arabia's central influence as protector of Mecca.

#3 The President Bows to the Saudi King....  Now in Royal Ettiquette, it is considered okay for one leader to make a light bow of the head while maintaining eye contact as respect for an equal. A US president as one of the main powers on the planet should NEVER bow to anyone...  PERIOD...

Well here is George Bush...  Getting his "Good Little Sheep Award"   



Here is Obama, bowing so low one could consider it grovelling before his King...



and yes to be fair even The Donald bowed to get his "Good Little Sheep Award"



Are they all related? I will get to that...

Who financed Hillary's bid for president? Many say it was Soros... Guess again....



#4...  The 9/11 "Sue the Saudi's Bill"

Obama had VETOED the bill, but in an historic move Congress voted to OVERTURN his Veto... It was unanimous save ONE, and that one was the crook Harry Ried  (DON'T get me started on THAT Schmuck :P )

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/09/27/senate-poised-to-vote-to-override-obamas-veto-of-911-bill/?utm_term=.3f29397d85c9


http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/28/news/override-obama-veto-911-bill/index.html

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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2017, 03:12:25 AM »
#5 Family Connections...

Now let's get down to serious business...

A)  A 12 year old girl did a genealogy study as a school project and discovered that all but ONE US president is related by blood (and yes Obama is in the family)

Obama is 11th cousin to George Bush...

B)  The Bush-Saudi Connection

Way back when 9/11 happened... everyone blamed Osama Bin Ladin  even though he was NEVER wanted by the FBI IN CONNECTION WITH THAT

Now when all the planes were grounded after the strike, there was ONE PLANE that left Las Vegas.  It carried the Bin Ladin family that resided here to Washington and then on a plane back to Saudi Arabia...

The Bin ladin family owns 85% of all the oil wells in Saudi Arabia and has been in business with the Bush Family for a very long time,

Osama is/was?  the black sheep of the family... but he is in the Royal family...  I say was  because we have killed him 3 times so far :P and I know he had at least 5 clones/doubles trained during his hay day.. so we may have to kill him again..

To see the real connection with the Bush and Omama entanglement  you can get the gory little know details here

The Bush-Saudi Connection
http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

You will also find MANY photos of GW kissing  yes KISSING the Saudi King... just google it this is no photoshop job

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2017, 01:40:57 PM »
Has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?

I would say YES....

#1  The old King passed away and the new prince is not very experienced... 

Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz dies
January 23, 2015, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia


'Abdullah, who had ruled since 2005 and was said to be aged about 90, had been suffering from a lung infection.

His 79-year-old half-brother, Salman, has been confirmed as the new king.

Within hours of his accession to the throne of the oil-rich kingdom, King Salman vowed to maintain the same policies as his predecessors.

"We will continue adhering to the correct policies which Saudi Arabia has followed since its establishment," he said in a speech broadcast on state television."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30945324

#2  I hear that they are demanding the Clinton Foundation return that money they put into the illegal campaign fund through the fraudulent Canadian 'charity"





meanwhile Donald Trump does the traditional Saudi Sword Dance




So if you had ANY DOUBT who is running the world.... they wear Pizza table cloths on their head  :P


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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2017, 01:47:38 PM »
Has the tide turned on the House of Saud ?

#3  The Bin Ladin Oil Cartel

Seems they are having serious problems....

Saudi Binladin Group Lays Off 50,000 as Low Oil Prices Bite - WSJ

DUBAI—Saudi Binladin Group laid off 50,000 people, according to a person briefed on the plans, as the construction giant attempts to turn around a business hammered by low oil prices.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-binladin-group-to-lay-off-50-000-as-low-oil-prices-bite-1462193499


Low Oil Prices Create Chaos For Bin Laden Family Construction Company

A construction conglomerate owned by the family of former al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden had equipment and buses set on fire by laid off employees.

The massive fire came shortly after Saudi Binladin Group (SBG), a massive construction company in Saudi Arabia, laid off more than 50,000 foreign workers in a last ditch effort to turn around a company recently slammed by historically low oil prices.

Fire fighters extinguished the flames without any injuries being reported, according to Makkah officials.

Scores of company employees have staged protests and mini riots in Makkah and Jeddah, where the company holds its offices. Some of the employees claim they have not been paid for several months.

“The people laid off are not thrown in the street without pay,” a person close to the matter told The Wall Street Journal Monday. “The Saudi Binladin group is extremely careful in honoring its commitments.”

The employees were fired and issued exit visas,

http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/02/low-oil-prices-create-chaos-for-bin-laden-family-construction-company/

Oil fallout: Laid off Saudi workers torch buses

 The Saudi Binladin Group, a massive construction company founded by the father of the late al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, has laid off at least 50,000 workers, according to local press reports.

The job cuts come as the Saudi government has delayed payment to construction firms and cut spending to grapple with the plunging price of oil, which makes up three-quarters of the government's revenue.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/02/investing/saudi-workers-protest-binladin-oil/index.html



Without that OIL Money... the Saudis are NOTHING

So yeah I see a big turn of the tide... its going out fast, like before a Tsunami hits

 


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