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Offline Eighthman

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Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« on: March 01, 2018, 07:18:52 pm »
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2018/03/it-is-official-and-it-is-over.html

The crappy mainstream media pushed flashy headlines about nuclear missiles without fully explaining What Else Putin Revealed - a long range hypersonic missile that can wipe out ships.  No time for AEGIS or fancy shoot down stuff.

Large navies and aircraft carriers are obsolete, if true.  He also mentioned some sort of nuclear powered cruise missile with nearly unlimited range.  No one seems to know what this would be.

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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 02:54:00 am »
I wasn't aware that the ability to plant anti-tank mines, had stopped anyone from using tanks.  Not everyone has anti-tank mines, and even if they do, not everyone is using them all the time.  Against someone who isn't using those mines, a tank is still as good these days as it ever was.

I'll give you another example.  If you go to any protest or anything where the police are in riot gear with shields, then what you will effectively see them in is a phalanx formation.  It's exactly what the Spartans used at Thermopylae.  Against pure, melee, largely un-ranged targets with no cavalry or anything else unconventional, it's pretty much the best approach you can use, because it prevents you from being flanked, and allows you to favourably maximise loss exchange ratio.



This won't make ships obsolete.  It's just another element of the rock-paper-scissors dance.  They've been able to torpedo subs for a long time.  Did anti ICBM lasers make nukes obsolete?
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 04:23:56 am »
Petrus, you and I can see clearly how the game is played and hear the tune they dance to; cars were going to make horses obsolete, then planes were going to make cars and trains obsolete, and on, and on, and on...

Just another example of Chicken Little pooping on his own feathers because the sky is falling...it isn't like the entire world is going to be bristling with hypersonic missiles or nuke powered cruise missiles; very few countries have cruise missiles because they are expensive.

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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 06:13:14 am »
Last I looked, tanks don't sink beneath the waves if hit.  Anti-ICBM lasers (apart from UFO's) aren't here yet. And spotting such craft out in the ocean is rather different from hiding armor on land.  Sats, you know.

And anti-ship missiles will be very affordable for 3rd world nations - as with the recent Brahmos and the past Exocet.

It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...

Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.  Admiral Rickover thought they might last a few hours in all out war - and that was testimony before Congress many decades ago.

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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2018, 11:05:21 am »
Last I looked, tanks don't sink beneath the waves if hit.  Anti-ICBM lasers (apart from UFO's) aren't here yet.
Better think again and quit swallowing all the propaganda  8) Ever heard of Star wars? [quote}And spotting such craft out in the ocean is rather different from hiding armor on land.  Sats, you know.[/quote] Think so?  Hard to hit what you can't see or get a radar lock on

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And anti-ship missiles will be very affordable for 3rd world nations - as with the recent Brahmos and the past Exocet.
Again, you need to read the research available instead of wading thru the crap stacked out to distract everyone

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It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...
you seem to labor under the impression that no one else has any toys, just your heroes the Russians and the Chicoms

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Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.  Admiral Rickover thought they might last a few hours in all out war - and that was testimony before Congress many decades ago.
Yes that was many decades ago. The admirals world and today's is 2 very different realities, comrade; you just appear to relish the thought of the US being destroyed; I have a much different view of things and do bother to stay up with developments, along with items from the past, that aren't often talked about rather than listen to the poop being spread by the doom porn machine
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 02:11:50 pm »
It's called the Superiority of Defense - as revived by new tech.  You build a new $13 billion dollar aircraft carrier and have it threatened by a missile (DF-21) that China can build one thousand of - for the same price.
Now, add hypersonic velocity to the mix...

They will find a way to shoot them down.  They always do.  I'm confident that a railgun could probably do it.  Targetting would be an issue of course, but the projectile has the needed velocity from memory.  I read not long ago about the American Navy fielding an experimental laser cannon on one of its' ships, as well.  If they can figure out how to anticipate trajectory and have a beam already in place, then it won't matter how fast the missile is.

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Aircraft carriers have been mostly obsolete for some time.

Against who?  The Russians or Chinese, maybe.  Pretty much anyone else though, probably not.  The Taliban or whichever other tin pot Wahhabist crime syndicate aren't going to have access to these sorts of toys.
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 04:54:46 pm »
Large ships are pretty much obsolete. The NAVY is going for small fast and stealthy.  Years ago I was at Alameda Naval Base when they declassified the Stealth Hydro Foil the "Sea Shadow"  That was the prototype for radar invisible hydrofoil ships

THIS is what they are building now


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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 06:26:20 pm »
Exactly!  Russia is going with smaller ships used to launch missiles at sea.


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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 06:37:45 pm »
You need to make up your mind  ::) thread topic is " large navies" not large ships,8thman

the recurrent theme is always praise everyone else, denigrate America  ::)

as otter pointed out, you want change, quit yapping about it and try the hands on approach
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2018, 06:49:01 pm »
Yapping more likely involves miss stating other's views and failing to cite sources for one's opinions.

Good Luck with all that.

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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 08:40:07 pm »


ok i apologize for my sense of humor ahead of posting this but i just couldn't help it..
if it's offensive to you 8th man  please just ask for it to be removed
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 08:53:17 pm »
I live in Mobile. They build the LCS-2 here. The odd thing is everybody is concerned about terrorism, yet driving I-65 west bound on the bayway, right before you get to the tunnel, there is a massive building that looks like a hangar with one of the boats in it. That picture is from the river view, the back of the building can be seen clearly from the interstate and they rarely close the door. It's really kind cool, other than anybody that wanted to cause mayhem having a direct angle at the boat and you could make an extremely fast escape, since they would already be on the interstate. There are cameras in the tunnel and I think news 5 has a traffic cam pointed in that general direction.

There is a picture of the building on this page.
 
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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 02:14:43 pm »
Monty Python is still great stuff.  And the end of the US Empire can be very positive for Americans - as Europeans experienced after their respective empires ended.  A Republic, not an Empire.....

I AM surprised that Trump supporters and conservatives aren't worried (to the point of panic) that Crazies will take over in about one year.  Gun grabbing, impeach Trump even if no evidence exists,  push for war with Russia, and maybe .......force bizarre regulations about pronouns on everyone (as with Canada).
Win Congress, go nuts....

I do wanna know what the heck a nuclear powered cruise missile is !  Very strange stuff.

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Re: Large Navies Are Now Obsolete
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2018, 03:43:20 pm »
Well you are all forgetting something

The size of the NAVY SPACE FLEET :P

It's really not as secret as people believe. The NAVY Code 8200 Space Engineers has an UNLIMITED BUDGET  I posted that info way back on ATS in the Naval Space Command thread and it's here too.  Just BE CAREFUL These links are DOT MIL links... Best to stay on the path and don't try the back doors.

Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR)

Public portal is here  Just be smart don't snoop around url's :P Stay in the front door
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The Center is a focal point and integrator for NRL divisions whose technologies are used in space systems. The Center also provides systems engineering and technical direction assistance to system acquisition managers of major space systems. In this role, technology transfer is a major goal that motivates a continuous search for new technologies and capabilities and the development of prototypes that demonstrate the integration of such technologies.

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