BTW, we were just attempting
to be funny when speaking about 'points'
being added or deducted... ;)
That's just a 'thing' between you and us
to 'keep score' - well, not actually score -
it says in the wiki about him that he was scottish freemasonry. but it seems to be i had read he was like one of those golden dawn guys.
now i don't want to go all pretzel shaped here because my aim is to understand all this without falling prey to its darker side, but i have a wee bit of commentary on this topic, as regards people like kerry and others, from the alternative news communities,which i believe are being driven at some level by the same group that is driving the mainstream, like different rooms in the same building.
notice how he bad mouths the masons but also notice behind his head the big banner (give it a few seconds to play, as the first few seconds the sound is messed up) that says "hermetic revelation."
now when i see stuff like that, i immediately think, "according to who?" is this just another room in the same building?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANVX_MEqhSM[/youtube]
so my question to you is, if the problem is they are hiding information because it gives them a superior position over the masses, could the same be said for other organizations such as rosicrucians and etc, that hide information because it could be very bad if in the wrong hands and how do we know the hands it is in currently, are the right hands?
Exactly the point. Pike is about as potent an example of said information being in the wrong hands, as you're likely to find. The Masons haven't been concerned about the information getting into the wrong hands; they're more worried about making sure it doesn't get into the right ones. :o
That, however, is why they withhold information in the first place. Look at the symbolism of the Eye being the capstone at the top of the pyramid. What you're being shown there, is the cabal's ideal form of social organisation; fairly similar to Amway. 8)
for example, the israelites WERE indeed the hyksos, but the pharaoh that chased them out was ahmose. even the hieroglyphs at avaris prove this. whereas she picks a hyksos timeframe pharaoh, other than ahmose, so it can be said the story is a fiction. it was not a fiction. and this particular approach by her, is repeated over and over again: the real truth, but twisted just enough so that it sounds like it was never the truth.
just my opinion.dont waste your time on the masons.i have.their venture is a folly.so is any mans.create your own adventure ,all the worlds a stage,we are many players.southpark has most of the answers.live in peace.be nice.
Sacred geometry aside, most of the knowledge has now been hidden for so long from the public, even the freemasons cant find it.
They themselves have spiralled into a vortex of self inflicted cluelessness, and as you say Petrus, theyre deathly afraid someone else is going to find the truth and put it to GOOD use.
Freemasons as a whole are a self aggrandizing bunch of dipsh!ts, who havent a clue how to do the one thing they trumpet about being able to do.
Use the power and knowledge for balance.
Until more folks try to exude and employ the good parts of hermetica in accordance with the bad, we wont have the pyramidal society we once had....it all started in those pharaonic times, when we lost our grip on the advanced knowledge, and as the principle states. as above so below, as below so above.
And lets not forget, for every top down way of thinking such as we are dominated by today, there's an inverted pyramid to keep the balance...and thats why at teotihuacan, right next to the Pyramid of the sun, is a inverted pyramid that extends down into the Earth equal in size to the surface version. The double tetrahedron..one of the few things Hoagland has a grip on understanding.
Freemasons are no more likely to execute their latest rounds of madness any more than Jesus is to come down and save us. Once mankind is ready to take the wheel again, the universe will give it back its learner's permit...until then mankind will ride its bike through the rain.
Sacred geometry is a safe bet for where the hidden knowledge lies, Petrus, and you are definitely on the right path to understanding it...but dont expect it to save us or yourself until the collective gasp is over, and we all realize weve been following the wrong path when we let religion and greed take over the world.
Check out carl Munck..the code...
[youtube]PL9A1059B74D8447FF[/youtube]
And, no group of aholes in robes or funny hats or whatever is going to change it, they will just make it be perceived as going their way for a while until some other faction gets the upper hand.
Hey Undo, wouldnt it be nice if Jesus came in and tipped the tables right now? Whoever he was or wasnt?
Great posts here in this thread, both Petrus and Undo, and Petrus I must say, you are an eloquent and passionate writer, I hope you are aspiring to books and such, as it is a knack you clearly have my friend!
Link fixed now, Petrus..enjoy!
Le
once again i think you're quoting some pope or something cause according to jesus the temple is the human body.Indeed, Beth!
Indeed, Beth!
And theres two of them!(http://stockfresh.com/files/c/corepics/m/16/111438_stock-photo-drill-through-head.jpg)
Cheers!;)
Dave
"Then exactly what the frigging heck is your own Temple Canon, guys?"
I truthfully wish that I could learn about this stuff, without ever having to hear about the Masons. I truthfully wince, mentally if not physically, every time I see the Eye anywhere. They are an absolutely vile group, as far as I'm concerned.
Thuggee also known as tuggee or simply thugs, was a religious cult and an organized gang of professional assassins who traveled in groups across India for several hundred years. They were first mentioned in the ?iya-ud-Din Barani dated around 1356. In the 1830s they were targeted by William Bentinck, along with his chief captain William Henry Sleeman, for eradication. They were seemingly destroyed by this effort.
The thugs would join travellers and gain their confidence. This would allow them to then surprise and strangle them by tossing a handkerchief or noose around their necks. The killings were performed in honour of the goddess Kali and were very ritualistic. They would then rob the bodies of valuables and bury them. This led them to also be called Phansigar (English: using a noose), a term more commonly used in southern India.
The term Thuggee is derived from Hindi word ??, or ?hag, which means thief. Related words are the verb thugna, to deceive, from Sanskrit sthaga meaning cunning, sly, fraudulent, dishonest, scoundrel, from ?sthagati (English: he conceals). This term for a particular kind of murder and robbery of travellers is popular in South Asia and particularly in India.
Germany’s largest media company is “Weltbild.” They’re owned completely by the Catholic church. Not many were aware of that until recently, when Buchreport, a German industry newsletter, said they also sell porn. The media company sells DVDs, books, music, etc., controlling, in fact, twenty percent of the book market in Germany.
For around ten years, concerned members of the Catholic church who were aware of the goings-on have tried to point it out to Church authorities. Worldcrunch reported that, “In 2008, the group sent a 70-page document to all the bishops whose dioceses have shared ownership of Weltbild for 30 years, detailing evidence of the sale of questionable material.”
A spokesman for the church responded, “Weltbild tries to prevent the distribution of possibly pornographic content.” The previously mentioned group of Catholics were outraged at the hypocrisy in that statement.
Slideshow of 16 indecent images appeared on autoplay when priest inserted USB stick
Father Martin McVeigh walked out of the room looking 'shaken and flustered'
He says he has no idea how the images got on the memory stick
You and Undo say the secrets are 'in the wrong hands"
c} This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.
I for one, totally understand your disdain for the views Petrus shared earlier, Zorgon, and as a fellow initiate of sorts I must be flexible with the whole Freemason issue.
No. AMORC, which stands for Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, is not a religion and does not require a specific code of belief or conduct. Rosicrucian students come from a variety of cultural and religious backgrounds. Becoming a Rosicrucian student does not in any way require you to leave your church, join a church, or change your religious beliefs.
Some Rosicrucian members do not subscribe to any specific religious beliefs at all. For students who do, we encourage them to participate in the religion of their choice. As a result, Rosicrucian students come from every religious denomination, and through our teachings, many find a greater appreciation of the mystical principles underlying their individual religious and philosophical beliefs. Those who do not belong to any particular religion often discover a sense of connection with a higher intelligence that was missing in their lives before.
We don't expect you to accept anything on faith. We want you to think for yourself, to learn how to draw upon the higher knowledge already within you. What we provide are simply the tools to enable you to accomplish this. The Rosicrucian teachings contain practical exercises and experiments that allow you to demonstrate for yourself the principles presented in the lessons and to access your own source of inner wisdom and guidance. As you do this, you'll begin developing natural abilities that may have been left dormant throughout your life. Almost immediately you'll begin to see your life in a different light.
i'm getting frustrated here. you automatically think the worst of me no matter what i do
So freemasonry has changed quite a bit on the esoteric front, the business side being the key goal now, eh?
Zorgon, you succinctly bring a balance that was necessary here, thanks! Freemasonry made great contributions to this country. I love Mandalas and other art done with spirit and deliberation. The artwork in the AMORC logos and other societies and religions can be soothing and inspirational. In their own way, the Freemasons are artists on many levels. For me, just viewing sacred geometry is healing!
Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley was an amazing and beautiful video!
No you just read things into my words that aren't there. You have told me many times on the phone that you don't agree that secret societies should be in charge of who gets to share that knowledge. I can go find some posts that back that up....
Perhaps you didn't mean it that way?
i'm learning all the time, but your tendency to criticize me constantly, is not making this any easier.
With all due respect... All the comments I made in this thread were in general...
But if you choose to continually make the show fit.. I cannot help that... nor do I intend to engage on that..
Nor do I intend to add a disclaimer to the effect that the comments were intended to be IN GENERAL
But it would be nice if we could have discussion on various belief systems without having to worry about bruising Eggos :P
well ideally it should be known by all, so we all get a say in how the information is applied. but we don't live in an ideal world.
Maybe I will join...what have I got to lose?
without bias
i said, "but we don't live in an ideal world."
did you miss that part? i think so. why do you keep erecting strawmen to shoot down?
For me, just viewing sacred geometry is healing!
Kelsang Metok - Falling Love with Jiuzhaigou Valley was an amazing and beautiful video![/color]
I saw that and I see you didn't answer my question why Jesus made that comment. and that "bias" remark I made is true. Everyone is doing research based on their own bias as to what they interpret the facts to mean..
Did you notice I said "EVERYONE" not "YOU"?
::)
I think you should do a locked thread about what you feel is the crux of freemasonry and how it has changed and been applied throughout the millenia, to share with us all the whole of your views about it.
With a separate discussion thread, of course.:)
Then and only then can we discuss the subject from an enlightened standpoint, and make arguments and agreeances without conflict.
Prime Goal 4 Universe always been Equilibrium & Darkness/Light only are instruments 4. :)
Explanation: Our Earth is not at rest. The Earth moves around the Sun. The Sun orbits the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The Milky Way Galaxy orbits in the Local Group of Galaxies. The Local Group falls toward the Virgo Cluster of Galaxies. But these speeds are less than the speed that all of these objects together move relative to the cosmic microwave background (CMB). In the above all-sky map, radiation in the Earth's direction of motion appears blueshifted and hence hotter, while radiation on the opposite side of the sky is redshifted and colder. The map indicates that the Local Group moves at about 600 kilometers per second relative to this primordial radiation. This high speed was initially unexpected and its magnitude is still unexplained. Why are we moving so fast? What is out there?
Your researching the wrong society for monsters Petrus..........try a few others.
Monsters are found wherever you look for them :P
Hitler didn't like the Masons either :P It was one of the things that made him popular with the people
particularly because you spent the next post criticizing me for belonging to a "church" i don't belong to,
I said there are plenty of societies where monsters can be found other than zeroing in on the masons. Nuff said. :P
Well yeah... they under every kids bed too :P but what did you think of that Cosmic Yin Yang?
No one see the significance of that?
::)
Where did I say you belonged to any Church?
I know you don't belong to any actual church yet call yourself 'christian" as a follower of Jesus. I have never said you belong to any church... but anytime someone uses that word "Christianity" to make any point you assume its an attack against you. I don't get it... I just don't
And I was flabbergasted at how that Christian Revival thread fell apart when the Intent was to be supportive of Christianity's message
Again I don't get it ???
well as you have pointed out yourself a kajillion times now but seem to want to call me out on saying the same thing, you don't have to belong to a church to believe in jesus. why is it wrong when i say it, but not wrong when you do?
also that post was in response to me, so naturally i'm going to assume when you say things like you don't have to belong to a church, that it's directed at me.
i don't belong to a church, but i still believe in jesus.
i think you just proved the same is true for you. where is the cut off here?
why are you not getting what i'm saying? i'm speaking swahili or something?
Okay I just wanted to say something, I'm not quite there yet on secret societies actually i'm not quite there yet on any of the subjects posted P.R.C :P
But an old saying goes "truth lies in the eye of the beholder"
That Yin and Yang really spoke to me thanks Z. Seems to me it clearly shows that Equilibrium is the only way the universe can work thus all of us.
perpetuum mobile comes to mind.
I have never said it was wrong for you to say it... again you are putting words in my mouth
A mistake I will not make again for obviously just because I replied to a post by you I must therefor automatically be addressing everything I say to be about you...
As I said I will not add disclaimers anymore... but from now on I will not quote any portion of your post in my replies as it is obvious you cannot separate the difference
Stop ASSUMING... if you need clarification on anything I say then just ask... be happy to clear it up for you
So you have said and you also believe in Enki
Well I believe Jesus existed as a man that had learned the ancient secrets of the mystical orders and became Master in one... You believe he came from God... I can see a huge difference here... but maybe that is just me? :o
Sumerian :P
What I am doing, is questioning the veracity of the information, since I don't know what it is, and have no way of finding out without joining.
And I don't want to join something that requires I make oaths not to reveal its secrets, so the entire point is literally moot as far as I'm concerned. Which is why you don't see me posting threads on the subject. What do you see me posting about are topics I do have some solid information on.
Is it a problem?
Only when one topic gets redirected into another topic. If someone makes a topic about Martian weather... and people know nothing about Martian weather, is it wrong to expect those people not to change the subject to conditions in Atlantis under the sea?
like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol
what's this referring to? i don't recall talking about atlantis under the sea but it sounds interesting!
Bad example a belief in Jesus either as a man or son of god is not a prerequisite of being RC.
Yogis Of Tibet (2002)- Full Movie
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okay smarty pants. i'm gonna do this to you one day and see if you don't get confused. like if i responded to a post you made and then said "you don't have to be a rosicrucian to believe in jesus". don't tell me that you wouldn't think that was pointed at you. lol
no squirmy. hold still. :D
I accept Zorgon's response to me. My initial post in this thread was ego based. This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.
I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy. I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism. An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.
I removed no post? :o
No one see the significance of that?I do not. :)
Quotewhy are you not getting what i'm saying? i'm speaking swahili or something?
Sumerian :P
There are probably many more peeps following this thread than apparent,
;D ;)
why should we jump in only to inflame
when
mighty Zorg can douse the flames with true intell and humor
an applauding observer ;D(http://i35.servimg.com/u/f35/13/55/53/83/80933811.gif)
I accept Zorgon's response to me. My initial post in this thread was ego based. This post is a re-write of an initial response to him, which was similarly ego-based, and I realised that removal of it was appropriate.
I accept, also, his charge of hypocrisy. I need to work on figuring out how to serve my own intended purpose, without anger, and without egotism. An excess of passion is an ongoing problem of mine; truthfully, it always has been.
An example of this would be the Skull & Bones society. IMO you need to look at more groups and not bundle them in one basket. I don't think this was an ego thing so much as it was simply not researched as much as it should have been before you reached your conclusion.
McGeorge "Mac" Bundy (March 30, 1919 – September 16, 1996) was United States National Security Advisor to Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson from 1961 through 1966, and president of the Ford Foundation from 1966 through 1979. He is known primarily for his role in escalating the involvement of the United States in Vietnam during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations.
Raised in Boston, Massachusetts, Bundy came from a wealthy family long involved in Republican[1] politics. His mother, Katherine Lawrence Putnam, was the daughter of two Boston Brahmin families listed in the Social Register. His father, Harvey Hollister Bundy, was from Grand Rapids, Michigan and was a diplomat who helped implement the Marshall Plan.
Bundy attended the elite Dexter School in Brookline, Massachusetts and then the Groton School, where he placed first in his class and ran the student newspaper and debating society. He was then admitted to Yale University, one year behind his brother William. At Yale, where he majored in mathematics, he served as secretary of the Yale Political Union and then chairman of its Liberal Party. He also wrote a column for the Yale Daily News. Like his father, he was inducted into the Skull and Bones secret society, where he was nicknamed "Odin". He remained in contact with his fellow Bonesmen for decades afterward.[2]
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Andrew Downey Orrick (October 18, 1917 – January 27, 2008) was a partner with Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe and the acting chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission in San Francisco.
In conclusion,the present Commission is determined to use its vast regulatory powers to protect the public investors through aggressive and strict enforcement of the disclosure and anti-fraud provisions of the states without stifling or strangling the economic development of legitimate enterprises by unnecessary or burdensome regulations.We intend to conserve Vigorously the tested virtues of the full disclosure theory.We intend to strengthen energetically our enforcement activities against unlawful practices in the purchase and sale of securities,and by regulating wisely,to continue to maintain favorable conditions for economic growth.
Any relation to Bill, I wonder?
I noticed three members of the Bush family were there. I admit that I wasn't familiar with any of the other names, however; other than Kerry, of course.
I can remember reading about the parties that George HW Bush had supposedly been to; involving child sodomy, etc. These people have been documented as complete psychopaths, or some of them, at least. Supposedly the induction rituals are specifically designed to induce secondary psychopathy in any non-psychopath who might join.
But I would like to point out that the yogis of Tibet got their knowledge from Buddha, who was an Indian and studied the Vedas. Generally speaking.....lol
for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread, or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice, in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza! holy tunafish!
Mr Munck's findings are undeniable, eh Beth? He had me hooked years ago! great stuff!
Le
i'm surprised there aren't whole threads on this. it's evidence, incontrovertible evidence, that the megalithic monuments were not put together by primitive people and the extent of egypt's influence on the entire planet, in some cases, thousands of miles away. every ufo researcher and giza researcher, should be all over this research like butter on toast!
Why are the Masons Monsters ?
:o
Indeed, Beth, the videos are addictive arent they?
Ill be home later, maybe Ill start a thread...sound good?:)
Le
Why are the Masons Monsters ?
:o
The creation of this thread, in general terms, was almost certainly a mistake.
yeah. strange that no one has. the video is 1996!
Heres a short list of prominent members of the Skull and Bones from the 40's onward.Another thing that you should remember when doing some research that you publish (in this case, in this thread) is to provide your sources, so anyone can repeat your work and see for themselves if everything is as you said or if they find something wrong/new about it.
he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza! holy tunafish!Every megalithic monument? Did he made the calculations for all the thousands of megalithic monuments or did he chose just the ones that gave him the results he wanted? :)
Every megalithic monument? Did he made the calculations for all the thousands of megalithic monuments or did he chose just the ones that gave him the results he wanted? :)
PS: I didn't watch the video, I don't have almost two hours to spend watching something that may be nothing in the end. Could you point to when the video can we see something good? Thanks in advance. :)
for anybody that hasn't watched this video, linked in the first page of the thread, or were not thrilled with the gentleman's delivery (voice, in this example), you just gotta watch this video and over look any aggravation so you can realize what he is saying!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Te08rDvis&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
he has proven, that the surface area of every megalithic monument is exactly equal to its distance in degrees, from giza! holy tunafish!
Soma, please make that effort to get back to your qigong...you can do it sitting down and save that knee my friend!
I often do it while sitting or on my arse, and it gives me the total effect, sans the burning shins!LOL!
I just leave out the leg parts which in basic qigong arent really very necesary for the mind, just the body.
I hope you can find the strength to continue, mate,it makes a big difference in the day
Cheers!
Le
I knew all you guys and gals would love Mr Munck, hes a favorite of mine!:D
Le
Im not much of a math guy, but if you pause the film at the mathy parts and do the math yourself, it does work out...amazing.I have only watched the first 10 minutes, and the way he "proves" that they had a system to make those monuments in specific places is a little strange. As we know, if we multiply 360 by 60 we get the number of minutes (coordinates), so it's easy to get any place close to 21600, 2160, etc.
b} That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.Wrong. And I speak as a non-Freemason, although my Grandfather was a senior Mason.
i dont think freemasons are historically democratic. i think they were intent on having the ability to forge their own destinies something socialism does not allow for.Historically no organisation was. But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.
Historically no organisation was. But they introduced democracy for the masses to the modern world.
In what way would a socialist society stop somebody forging their own destiny?
Remember real socialism aims to create a fair society where nobody is allowed to exploit others or own your labour or means of production. Surely that facilitates freedom if it is not polluted by power brokers. And yes, I know about human nature - that is why we make laws. Laws can either promote or suppress freedom - that is nothing to do with socialism as a way of ordering society.
socialism allows the government to exploit your labor.No it does not. It allows nobody to PROFIT from your labour. Socialism is collectively owning things not exploiting people.
so you just trade your uncle frank, who hires you to supply his painting company with paintbrushes, for some guy who thinks of you as a number in a sea of numbers, could care less if you are happy or not, has no real interest in what you would like to do, and basically locks you into doing what they say you are qualified for, whether they are right or wrong.Any viable modern form of socialism would have to encourage small businesses. The aim would be to take massive enterprises that exploit thousands of people into public ownership and properly regulate them. Also in todays world, with modern technology nobody would have to work many hours at all if labour was distributed fairly.
just my two cents here..ignore if you like
democracy is great when it works correctly
socialism is great when it works correctly
the problem is not the system
the problem is when people get a bit of power they mostly abuse it
and when the next guy sees it they say..hey i want mine
then it all goes to hell as everyone grabs for a piece
it's the old saying like
it's not the gun that is the problem..it's the person holding the gun
as long as folks have choices..to help themselves or to help others
sadly most will take the easiest route
sometimes i really do hate to admit i'm human
sigh
if sufficiently manipulated, mob rule can be used toI agree with this. That is why a good constitution (no written one here in the UK!) is also important.
convince large groups of people to vote for the deprivation
of people they don't agree with on any topic, whatsoever.
nope, never give government that kind of freedom, cause
it will abuse it.
Freemasons are traditionally closely allied to socialist and democratic principles. They are traditionally opposed to Plutocratic and undemocratic regimes and were behind movements like the Fabian Society, the French revolution (against Monarchy), the founding of the United States of America (fundamentally democratic) and the rise of Marxism (NOT SOVIET STALINISM!) - which for most of the last century was the only serious challenger to the abomination known as capitalism. Even the Templars and associated Chivalric Orders (where much of Masonry descends from) were persecuted due to their opposition to the Roman Papacy (i.e. they OPPOSED IMPERIALISM)Adding to what you wrote, here in Portugal most of the first republican politicians were Masons, and today many politicians (mostly from the centre-left Socialist Party) are known Masons.
Almada ... make me think of Lisboa, one of the most nice town in Europe !I live in Almada since 1970, but I was born in Lisbon. :)
If one day I m going throught Lisboa, may I ring ? and we'll maybe have aI don't like ginja, but why not? :)
ginja ? :)
Adding to what you wrote, here in Portugal most of the first republican politicians were Masons, and today many politicians (mostly from the centre-left Socialist Party) are known Masons.Exactly. The situation is similar in the UK and France.
Well you COULD learn about Sacred Geometry right here... I have a really good thread about it here... but not mentioning the Masons and RC in context with it? Not possible :PI'd just like to revive this thread from the dead....and quote this for posterity.
And using Pike and Crowley as source material? You people make me laugh....
The fact that you wince when you see the eye everywhere when you don't understand it, tells me perhaps it is best I leave that thread in the Mystic Secret room after all....
You and Undo say the secrets are 'in the wrong hands" and you both say who are they to decide who gets to see it... but either one of you can simply join and have access to those secrets... once you show you have a serious will to learn
Do you think either of you are 'the right hands' to hold such information?
Here is one example on the extreme end... I know how to make a nuclear device but have no interest in making one... you think that info should just fall into the hands of everyone?
Medical schools teach you how to be a brain surgeon... yet that knowledge is kept 'secret' from the masses until you pay your tuition fees and have a basic background in medical skills. Even once you reach that 'level', many fail and never become a practicing brain surgeon
The Mystery Schools are no different. You want to learn how Jesus moved that mountain, you need to learn the basics and how to control it. And yet ALL that knowledge today is freely available on the internet LOL I myself have spent decades showing it.
But people like you are more interested in bad mouthing a group based on preconceived notions and what you have heard on the net... that you don't take the time to LISTEN to what is being said.
There is a course on Sacred Geometry at one College that has it online. I have posted that several times... yet no one responded save a few off the cuff comments. University of Wisconsin/Madison has the original Emerald Tablet documents... the Hermwtic Works I have those here and on my website... but the few that have looked at them cannot understand them and prefer to use web versions written by people with no Hermetic teaching
But you would be biased anyway as the are Rosicrucian Works just like the Bible is a Christian Work...
There is anothe course in Sacred Geometry presented by a Christian Artist... and though he uses the word God a lot... he too has to cover the Eye :P But then he understands and has no problem separating knowledge from Religion even though he has his personal belief
Rdunk created a thread on here trying to show the POSITIVE side of Christianity. Yet the very people that have made claims about how Christianity is always attacked... ended up derailing that thread several times and turning it once again into a bash fest. Pimander split it... but NO ONE went to the split thread to continue the off topic nonsense...
Neither Pimander or I are Christians but we gave Rdunk the opportunity to present his religion in a positive light... but look what happened? Even those who should be most supportive of his attempt fell back into the same old attack/counter attack routine.
Now you come and start a thread calling Masons. Etc Monsters.... and you think you are ready to receive knowledge?
Well I don't think this knowledge would be in the right hands if it was to land at your feet. :P In fact I am more inclined to believe that;
A) You would twist it to suit your beliefs
B) Not fully understand it because you are already biased about the source
C) you have not yet reached maturity enough to put aside your need to attack that which you do not understand
Until you can free your mind from this fear of other philosophies you will never be in the right frame of mind to understand the secrets of the Universe
You Petrus has claimed to be a Kali worshiper. To many that is worshiping a vile EVIL deity...
But you say you cannot look at Mason stuff because that EYE keeps popping up...
Well to you I say ..
YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE
Because any true Kali worshipper knows the true meaning of the EYE
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And since Kali is part of Hinduism, every TRUE Hindu knows the body is the temple
The Hindu : Life & Style / Metroplus : The body as temple (http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article2817466.ece)
So until all you bashers can put aside your own biases long enough to LISTEN to real knowledge... you will NEVER be ready to learn the Ancient Secrets and will always be like Jesus said;
“The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, “‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’ "
Yoda:
“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship.”
Luke:
“I can’t believe it.”
Yoda:
“That is why you fail.”
Put aside your hatred of other belief systems long enough to LISTEN to what the other guy has to say and understand that your belief (generic 'your') is not the ONLY truth
You cannot learn anything new when you vilify the very ones who possess that which you seek
BTW hear is your FIRST lesson in Sacred Geometry in the Universe itself thanks to Hubble
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When your ready to put aside your bashing and learn, give me a call ;)
I see so much absolute nonsense written about Masonry. It seems as though Westerners are oblivious to the fact that most of the freedoms they have today are in no small part a result of the work of Masonic Lodges.
If you were a fly on the wall at a Masons meeting, you'ld soon be a very bored fly on the wall at a Mason meeting. They are not monsters, they are men, it is a very old fashioned form of social and business networking.
If you look into the History of French, U.S. or Portuguese Republicanism, British democratic movements and more you will always find that there are, in the background, groups of Masons, Rosicrucians or similar. The key players are almost always from these groups.
I hear they need membersYou're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.
There is even a connection to Ashtar Command :D Here he looks like a very young Francis BaconLOL :o
Come on Z, an immortal father superior of a secret society responsible for the founding of the USA does not pretend to be some aliens here to save us. :P
Interesting material otherwise. :)
You're kidding? I imagine a band of evil masterminds wouldn't suffer in the recruiting department.
True... that was comic relief :P but mostly I found t amusing that the New Age GFL people use his image :D Perhaps it's one of those race memories :P
As I said tip of the iceberg. I have a lot of material on the Count... even know where to visit in Romania where his original Mystic School is still operating. But most of it is in old books.
It will take time to trace the material on the web and sort it from the fluff.
Suggestions have been made by several "Illuminati" that the Count is of the Bloodline of the Grail... If that is indeed true it could really lead to interesting conclusions
So recently, as some of you probably know, I've been spending a lot of my time trying to learn about sacred geometry, and the potential technology of the ancient Egyptians; stuff which is traditionally considered the domain of Freemasonry, among other groups or individuals.
Yet despite my recent adoption of the belief that such material is, by itself, morally neutral, (or actually biased slightly towards positive or harmonious use) I remaind steadfast in my previous conviction that Freemasonry is a fundamentally infernal organisation. I still remember hearing Richard Hoagland's emphatic claim to Kerry Cassidy that the Masons are, "the good guys." I had misgivings about that idea back then, which have only grown.
My main reason for believing that Freemasonry is evil, is very simple. The Masons cannot have it both ways. They cannot claim to be, or in fact be, fundamentally responsible for the course of human history on the one hand, and yet maintain the claim of being a benevolent organisation on the other. Given the nature of human history, particularly over the last 200 years, those two premises are completely irreconcilable.
If they are the directors of collective human destiny, as has been the continual implication, then why are we continually immersed in war? Why is our society defective and self-defeating at every possible level, to the point where we are threatened with extinction?
Let's hypothetically assume three concepts, here.
a} A benevolent group exists.
b} This group has advanced, even intimate knowledge, of the fundamental organisational and constructive principles of the known universe.
c} This group supposedly has (or is able to) used said knowledge to elevate itself to a position of total dominion over human life, in literally every known respect.
Assuming, hypothetically, that the above three statements were correct, then I would expect to see human civilisation organised along radically different, even diametrically opposing, lines, to what we observe today. I would not expect to see residential or commercial architecture be based around the rectangle, but around the shape of the pyramid, as such has been proven to be the most robust possible shape for a building. I would also expect to see engineering in general, follow an infinitely higher standard, to the point where human engineering processes would actually augment and positively reinforce the terrestrial environment, rather than working to destroy it.
What I propose, then, is that while premise b} and c} above are true, premise a} is not. That rather than being a benevolent or altruistically/compassionately oriented organisation, this group are, in fact, psychopaths of the very worst kind that humanity has been able to produce. I accuse Masonry of the following three crimes:-
a} That while having the level of knowledge of said harmonious organisational and architectural principles that they have, they have deliberately sought (with very close to complete success, I might add) to remove all access to, and knowledge of, said principles from the general human public.
b} That even further than this, they have specifically and deliberately sought to organise mainstream human society in a manner that is in direct opposition to said principles, thus largely ensuring its' annihilation.
c} That while they have organised and directed mainstream human society in such a manner that it is in direct opposition to the principles mentioned above, such that it would eventually destroy itself, they have maintained both knowledge and active use of said principles themselves, for their own exclusive aggrandisement, and to allow them to continue to subjugate and exploit the vast majority of humanity.
This is the first time that I have been able, when I look at it, to really consciously enunciate and provide myself with a truly concrete description of this conspiracy. This is, however, also the reason why I am motivated to learn as much about the principles that I believe that they have deliberately withheld from the human population, as I possibly can. I do not seek to learn such primarily for my own benefit; but I want to find a way, if such is possible, to also disclose said knowledge to anyone else who may be interested in it. I believe that such could be indescribably empowering and liberating for humanity as a whole.
Petrus... Thoughts?
I have never seen you retract from any of your gut instincts prior to this post.
No actually I am serious :D But perhaps the bad press they get keeps Looky Loos away :Psometimes I can absolutely not tell when you're employing a sarcastic tone.
Simple solution is TRY IT then you can find out from the inside the truth of the matter
Now the Knights of St John, the Templars and similar Orders are harder to join. St John's for example you must have desire to help medically :P
“Anything that is concealed is a secret. The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates their possessor from the communityThis can be true but like most truths there are exceptions. There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves. I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag. It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.
This can be true but like most truths there are exceptions. There is one particular secret that would ruin the point of most mystical systems if it were revealed to members without them finding out for themselves. I can't explain it further without giving it away and I refuse to take away the possibility of Gnosis for millions of people by letting the cat out of the bag. It is a completely meaningless experience to be told this secret so I can only leave it there.
Not all secrets are harmful to those not in the know. Envy and jealousy are not pleasant emotions in either the keeper of a secret, or the seeker. However, the desire to allow people the possibility of Gnosis is a noble cause.
My conumdrum is ... I wouldn't know I if knew this secret that you acknowledge, because the one you are referring to, you are keeping secret.
Holding steady to a secret, is the secret :DDon't forget the most important one: with integrity!
I sometime's find it weird that people get so bent up about certain secret's when it pertains to matter's of the mind which are free to learn. :o
All the secret's to the world are in front of you, me, and him, and her LOL
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As someone who has read a myriad of book's regarding how to live life... it's kinda grand and odd that John Lear summed it up so eloquently....
Live your life without hate greed or envy
Ceremonial magickians summon and conjecture spirits and beings to do their will; but that is a very dangerous game, for the act of the summoning pisses said spirits/entities off and you cannot make any mistake for they will attack you if you give them the opportunity...
Seeker, if it makes you feel better, the info Petrus provided is already all over the web, even on easily found Wiki pages.aye Sinny lass, things do change... Tisn't a matter of how it makes me feel; those who will take the risks will do so; it is a matter of personal choice and free will...
How times change..
Or is it like a Matrix moment? Will I know this secret when I discover this secret, and know that it is a secret that you an I share?You will know. And those who know keep silent.
Or do I need to join a society for confimation?No you don't have to. Some groups may get you there quicker but some are utterly pointless as they don't understand how to facilitate true initiation.
we have said enough, perhaps too much; meditation is far safer and will lead to the same experiences if practised along the path of the Kaballah...This is true and good advice. The "more direct" route I took was extremely traumatic. Trauma is one of the ways people "spontaneously" initiate or achieve a particular experience. Soul shatteringly direct methods are so risky I could not recommend anyone try. If you do then it is going where "angels fear to tread".
IBut I find it strange that some of you buy-in to so much non-factual way out of the ordinary stuff, while being completely unable to accept a strongly held fact for many that the God of this Universe is real?? ?? ??Petrus is certainly not an Atheist. I contend that their may be a God but the thing from the Bible that you worship is no such thing. If the Universe is God then there is your answer. I also remember we recently discussed and agreed that you could be an Atheist and still accept the existence of spirits. Furthermore, if the entities discussed turned out to be a powerful part of the human psyche it would not be surprising.
There is a good reason the Pentagram has high significance in certain circles. :)Because it's the regular polygon most difficult to draw? ;)
What you need to join for is to get the HANDS ON PRACTICE and that is for those who have decided that this path is for them....
So the only secrets withheld from non members is the METHOD of attaining the goals of that knowledge and that requires a lifetime of dedication.
For the fifth labor, Eurystheus ordered Hercules to clean up King Augeas' stables. Hercules knew this job would mean getting dirty and smelly, but sometimes even a hero has to do these things. Then Eurystheus made Hercules' task even harder: he had to clean up after the cattle of Augeas in a single day.http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/stables.html
Now King Augeas owned more cattle than anyone in Greece. Some say that he was a son of one of the great gods, and others that he was a son of a mortal; whosever son he was, Augeas was very rich, and he had many herds of cows, bulls, goats, sheep and horses.
Every night the cowherds, goatherds and shepherds drove the thousands of animals to the stables.
Hercules went to King Augeas, and without telling anything about Eurystheus, said that he would clean out the stables in one day, if Augeas would give him a tenth of his fine cattle.
Augeas couldn't believe his ears, but promised.
Hercules brought Augeas's son along to watch. First the hero tore a big opening in the wall of the cattle-yard where the stables were. Then he made another opening in the wall on the opposite side of the yard.
Next, he dug wide trenches to two rivers which flowed nearby. He turned the course of the rivers into the yard. The rivers rushed through the stables, flushing them out, and all the mess flowed out the hole in the wall on other side of the yard.
you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil
it is we sorry ass humans who have the power and have abdicated it
we toss responsibility to what has been called and then make request from our own creations
we are missing the point
we are the power to change it all but we hide in fear of the power we have
we recognize certain symbols
but we think they have the power when they are only tools to be used
we have the power if only we would look deeply at ourselves and accept it
just think about it
Don't forget the most important one: with integrity!
It sounds so noble. but it can be a real drag, particularly in the beginning when all we have to go on is blind faith in a chosen path. The first rosy glow of newness fades with the realization that in order to "get there" we are going to have to develop the mental strength to refuse to give in to thoughts that knock us off center.
That's not nearly as much fun as wallowing in our excesses. And the nature of our runaway minds makes it seem like we are condemned to a lifetime of cleaning the Augean stables.
Metaphorically speaking, we might say that Hercules used the twin flows of chi to carry away the sludge. We can do that, too, with our mental sludge, though we will have to do it again, tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow.
It really does get easier, as an "initiate" gets stronger. Those who have advanced a good way along the path may feel it's okay to slack off on cleaning the sludge once in a while. But let them get too far away, and they are likely to experience a smack or two of instant karma, a firm reminder that there are better ways to direct those powerful thoughts and emotions.
The Masons are mostly just a good old boys club that help each other in business... not much elseDining club and old men dressing up. :P
So how is the Old Sea Hag doing these days? People keep linking me to stuff like "Zorgon's Reaction" :P but I just don't have time to play with those delusions :PSo are you going to meet up with her. :P :o ::)
So are you going to meet up with her. :P :o ::)
Poblem is tho Pi, that a lot of those 'old men' at these 'dining' meetings are creating our lawful policies.
Sinny,
Sometimes it is the obvious that we dont notice at first.
During my years of study into the history, it seems evident there is
a definite pool of members cemented into the cause of politics,
even on a grand scale of international politics.
And, of course not that we dont need some good politicians, and
I am sure there are some fine freemasons out there...
And there are a few other ways that the brotherhood works.
Here is an account, rare that it made the news....and it gives
an insight into how it might play out, the oaths etc.
http://virginislandsdailynews.com/news/v-i-high-court-orders-hearing-on-removal-of-suspected-mason-1.1205445
After posting that link, I will again state my opinon that many freemasons
are good guys, not like those in the story. 8)
That's an interesting news story BTS.
Of course, we don't want to 'over do' the extent of these conspiritorial actions, but I'd take care not to underestimate them too..
After all a lot of these business types do get off 'Scot Free'.
Yep, as Z mentioned look no further than The Bilderbergs.
And good one on that Scot Free ;)
As I say, I know there are majority good peeps involved, but they create the veil that is required.
I just believe that if we were to collectively elect a governing body to co-orinate us a people, those people should have no hidden investments not open to scrutiny.
The metaphor of 1% vs 99% (not wholly accurate but it works), what systems have created this blatant inequality?
Figure out what they are, and remove them.
From my perspective, secrecy is one of the top at the list, among others naturally.
I've always known that we need to take the 'business' out of politics, but to do that, we need to remove their system of operation too.
Looks like I'm suffering a more than you Russo:
Simple really isn't it.
"Society is like a stew, the scum will rise to the top if you don't stir it now and then".
What is this 'S' that appears? It's ruining my links too..
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Well you are there by your own CHOICE
- Impossible! We are victims! I'm a VICTIM of the frickin' SYSTEM!:P ::)
Looks like I'm suffering a wee bit more than you Russo:
Lol.
- Impossible! We are victims! I'm a VICTIM of the frickin' SYSTEM!
You have CHOSEN to be Victim... The word "Impossible" is not in my vocabulary
First ask yourself WHY are you a victim?
About the gender issue, I ask you, dont you know or are aware of any queen nowadays?
We have plenty of women that are bosses here in my country. Our president as nº1 example.
Yet many women still live in constant terror. Check out the Middle East. Those ones live a "second class" lives or even worst than that. Those ones that shape that "pyramid".
No Z., you do not understand me. . Im not a victim.
Oddly enough though most women that DO get into power are worse tyrants than the men :D Never met a woman boss that wasn't a total Bytch :P
My wife would get fires everytime she worked for a woman boss :D
Only solution to the Middle East is NUKE it all and let the three Gods sort it out
Seems no one that claims they are a victim can answer me WHY they think they are victims and trapped. You cannot help them if you cannot identify the problem
REPEAT >>> REPEAT >>> REPEAT
you guys are all correct but not going far enough .. there is good and there is evil
but it comes at OUR beckoning
we have called it all.. both good and evil
Is not it what they do with drug addicted people? Make them recognize and isolate it first then they may have a chance out of it?
Didn't the UK have a Women running things awhile back? The Queen of the Netherlands runs the Bilderbergs, Queen E has all that gold and a palace Lots of mean old women running politics and getting rich in America and there is that big nasty one in Australia with all the mines :P
So being a women in this day and age is not the setback :P
If people spent half the time they do complaining on making a buck, they would have a lot of bucks :P
The Middle East is fast heading back for the Dark Ages During the time of the Shaw of Iran it was looking like the Moderates were becoming the reality...Only for those that supported the Shah's fascist regime. ::)
Only for those that supported the Shah's fascist regime. ::)
Yeah :P I suppose Ayatollah Khomeini was a vast improvement in Democracy and tolerance :PIt wasn't, but pretending that everything was good before hides the truth and one of the reasons why they had the revolution they had.
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I posted in another thread that the reason the 5% have all the money and the95% are broke is because "A Fool and his Money are soon Parted" The rich know this to be true and use it against you, the Fool :P
It wasn't, but pretending that everything was good before hides the truth and one of the reasons why they had the revolution they had.
I see.
The rich are psychopaths, clearly.
They do unEthical things.
And They have the power to do them.
Hmmm well if you say so :PYes, I do say so, I really lived under a fascist regime like the one in Iran during the Shah's rule, I know what I'm talking about.
No you don't You wear blinders :P
I know lots of rich people. They are very nice and are not psychopaths. You cannot label everyone by the few
So do poor people and there are a lot more of them so per capita poor people do a lot more unethical things
Everyone has the power You simply have to learn the Rules of the Game and USE them and you don't have to be unethical to do it
But I am spitting into the wind :P
As for these rules, why are they nowhere clearly defined? Why is it always, "You just have to think about it correctly and the whole world will fall at Your feet?" But what that "correct way" is I have found zero specifics on.It's frustrating, I remember well.
As for these rules, why are they nowhere clearly defined?
Why is it always, "You just have to think about it correctly and the whole world will fall at Your feet?"
But what that "correct way" is I have found zero specifics on.
I spent years believing, knowing, with absolute certainty, that every job app was going to lead to an offer. So far, that "knowledge" has failed Me.
So rather than spit into the wrong direction, maybe a nice, clear-cut set of instructions is the best thing to produce.
I do not "wear blinders." You said a fool, etc., and only money motivates unEthical behavior towards fools.
I do not "wear blinders."
Let's get up to the top end of billionaire and into the trillionaire rich.You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.
It's frustrating, I remember well.
Keep struggling with that notion above, and hopefully it comes to you.
Yes you wear blinders :P All you see is the evil of money... and so you have come to hate money itself. Maybe you do it subconsciously maybe its deliberate I don't know but you cannot easily see beyond your hate of money
" A Fool" Yes that is an old saying about someone losing hi/her money
Look at it this way... the average person goes to work, earns a decent income that if used wisely can pay his bills, feed his family and maybe have a little left over for a beer with the guys.
But how easily is this average person coerced or enticed into giving up that little extra? They wave credit cards at you so you can have it now pay later. They show you what all the well off people in Holiywood have and do... so they make you crave those things And before you can blink an eye... The average person signs on that line and goes spending
Now NO ONE is forcing that person to spend his money foolishly It is just that human nature takes over. It is NOT brain washing per say, though repeating things over and over does lure the rube in :P
And it is not only Hu-mons :P Ravens will do it and so do Ferrets... You should see them fight you when they want something and are stealing it and you try to take it from them MINE!!!!!
We are Ravens easily distracted by pretties and we are Ferrets, slyly hoarding stuff we really have no need for
And the rich know this and keep dangling the bait :D Stop biting on the hook... burn the credit cards I love the new ATM cards that act like a credit card when you need one, but are limited to what you actually have in the bank :P
You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.
The last time you were asked about those imaginary trillionaires you said "The trillionaires probably insist no such list be compiled".
The worst kind of fool is the one that fools him/herself. :(
Uh, I am always open to being proven wrong. So. Prove Me wrong.Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?
I have studied things diligently and have arrived at many conclusions, but I do leave open the possibility that I do not have all the data, or even bad data. But where I make conclusions, I have gotten enough data to give likelihood of incomplete or bad data as being very low.You're the second person I have seen on Internet forums that accepts the possibility of using bad data but doesn't talk about the possibility of being wrong in their conclusions based on the available data.
Again, prove Me wrong. I can handle it.I doubt it, but, as I said above, you are the one that should prove that you are right.
I will do a batch of pages on the website on this step by step. It is likely to be seen there :D Now these methods are for America and Canada likely will work in Australia and UK I don't know much about how Europe and the 3rd world operates so it is only good here in the USA :P
Well there is no single 'correct way' as several ways work and lead to the same results. But there is a sure way to increase any money you do have. Before you tell me you only have .64 cents to your name :P I am talking in general :D
If you really do want to learn a few of the tricks you will have to LISTEN and try it :P Not just dismiss it, I will notify people when I start the pages I have some issues to clear up first as I now have to pay ALL the bills at home myself, but I will start them this next week or so
In the meantime Do you have a bicycle and can you ride one?
As I said I have no idea why it didn't work without knowing what you brought to the table and where you applied. Sometimes we expect more and are not willing to accept a lower position just to get income flowing. I find it difficult to believe any able bodied person cannot find SOME work especially one who is not tied down to a location by house or family
And You are so wrong! I LOVE money I LOVE it when *I* have it. I wish I had a pile to roll around in!!!
These days, the average Person is struggling just to put food on table and a roof over that table. More and more are going homeless in this psychopath-run set of systems.
Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?
You're the second person I have seen on Internet forums that accepts the possibility of using bad data but doesn't talk about the possibility of being wrong in their conclusions based on the available data.
I doubt it, but, as I said above, you are the one that should prove that you are right.
The average Person today has nothing like this
Yes, it IS brainwashing. From birth We are taught to want. We are taught to define Ourselves in terms of what We have materially. We define "success" as having lots of accounting units. The corporate realm seeks to have Us wanting all the time, for the purpose of profit. They advertise and market specifically to encourage this approach.
They are predisposed. Humans have to be trained - and They do a very good job of training Us to behave such that They profit.
BS. We are trained from birth, and even then, the training does not stick on a fair few of Us.
I have not a single credit card. Not a single bank account. I withdrew consent from this psychopath's paradise of a money system and a top-down controlmind.
But where I make conclusions, I have gotten enough data to give likelihood of incomplete or bad data as being very low.
Oh, I am sure there are no trillionaires. You're right, ArMaP. [shrug]I was sure that you were going to answer something like that, I even wrote in my previous post but decided to delete that part before posting it.
Looking forward.
Since I'm the One being crapped on because it's all My fault, I would rather You offer things for Those of Us starting with nothing. Not useful if You have to have something to make something.
Well, I imagine those bills are a drop in the bucket. Since You have been so grossly successful in thinking Yourself rich.
Limited to desk jobs, I have applied to every one I have found that I even remotely qualify for - all around the effing planet. Night desk at motels, bookkeeper, admin. assistant, and anything that deals with graphics. As long as I don't have to stand long periods of time, and I come close on requirements, I apply. And I would not put Myself in the "able bodied" category. I am limited.
You just contradicted yourself in one line LOL You just admitted not all of us are falling for the brainwashing
Therein lies the problem
What you are doing is blaming the TOOL and discarding it rather than using the tool wisely.
That is like a carpenter tossing away his hammer and wondering why he cannot build anything
You say you LOVE money You say you would LOVE to have it but then you toss away the shovel that will help you get it.
Sigh....
Perhaps you are focusing on the conclusions you WISH to draw and thus not analysing the data correctly
Lets look at it this way... You are not likely, baring a Miracle like a gold meteorite landing at your feet :P. to ever be rich. The goal should not be to be rich but to first be COMFORTABLE and be able to enjoy life
Let the rich do their thing in the Hamptons or Beverly Hills Trust me they don't have a lot of fun :P
Focus on getting enough to be FREE
They say money cannot buy happiness They LIED :P Because with enough money you can travel the world and be happy, you can buy the things that make you happy so long as you don't let it control you
They say money cannot buy you love, but money will allow you to put yourself into situations where you are likely to meet someone to love. Stuck at home without a dime gives you few options
They say money cannot buy you health. But it can buy the best doctors and give you a better chance My legs need surgery It is available in Germany for 60,000 plus airfare I cannot afford it. If I could my problem would likely be fixed.
It is POSSIBLE to use their tool and live within their system but still be free... it truly is
::)
True that is why I said I will do it in sequence and that is why I asked if you can ride a bicycle and still lived in Thor's cabin.
And They ARE. Chemtrails, loosed GMO's, weather manipulation, fake "news," Agenda 21, and on and on. PLENTY of evidence They are in control here.
You seem to be mistaking My efforts to solve for psychopaths in control with some personal relationship I have with money in the present systems. Wrong.
And at least 50% of stuff you see on the net about those topics is BS but it gets shared as "fact' anyway. Does that not make the conspiracy folkes as bad as the psychopaths?
::)
YOU are so focused on the psychopaths you cannot separate your money woes and my attempst to help from the psychopaths
We KNOW your possession with the psychopaths You have HAARPed on it for some time. We are trying to address getting you focues on using money to live better
And while We're at it... What half if these is untrue:To me, what all those questions demonstrate is that you cannot get clear answers when you ask dubious questions, specially questions that look made in a way to force specific answers.
Chemtrails - They're not spraying Us with nanoparticulates of aluminum, strontium, barium?
Loosed GMO's - GMO is not loose on this planet?
Weather manipulation - They're not manipulating weather here?
Fake "news" - Sandy Hook was real? And all the rest of Their show?
Agenda 21 - It does not exist?
Just those alone are clear evidence of things going on without the Ethical step of getting fully informed consent. Those alone demonstrate the psychopathy at the top of the power over Others heap.
You do wear blinders, as the above quote shows, the blinders you created for yourself to convince you that you are right.
The worst kind of fool is the one that fools him/herself. :(
but I do leave open the possibility that I do not have all the data, or even bad data.
Shouldn't be you the one that needs to prove what you're saying, in this case that there are trillionaires?
How is it that I find so many of you demonstrating hypocricy at it's finest? So many of you standing blind by your own speculations as fact, whilst at the same time managing to spin speculations on known facts?Could you be more specific?
Amy is no more obsessed with our psychopathic leaders any more than I, and in fact, possibly conderabley less.That doesn't mean much, as you are the only person that knows how much you are obsessed with them.
And yes that is true to an extent, but the massess will never have a chance to achieve any better whilst being held under thumb of the most wretched of our species, who are probably so in-bred we could get away with calling them a species of their own.What the masses need (in my opinion, as usual, and based on what I saw during and after the fascist regime that ruled Portugal up to April 25 1974) is to understand what is happening and what they can do. That's why one of the biggest supporters of the Portuguese fascist regime used to say that the common person should only learn enough to sign their name, they shouldn't be able to, for example, know how to read a newspaper. He was right, as what people are really missing is knowledge (real knowledge, not something presented by someone as real knowledge), and I'm not talking about some technical knowledge, I'm talking about knowledge of what they (the people as a whole) need and are capable to do.
I should imagine that the people who 'own' the 'printing of the money' equate to the 'triallionaires'.Who are they?
I imagine the results would be interesting, but as you are speaking so 'matter of a factly', I suppose you have this information to hand and can inform us?What information? I don't understand what you mean. ???
But it's all My fault.
this is not a new argument
the sides have been chosen and seen by all who read here
they haven't changed since the last time you guys went in these very same circles
nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance
can we move on please
To me, what all those questions demonstrate is that you cannot get clear answers when you ask dubious questions, specially questions that look made in a way to force specific answers.
Chemtrails - Hard to say if they are spraying us or something else, spraying at high altitude will affect all things below it, so they may be spraying the trees (for example) and we are also getting sprayed, although we aren't the target of the spraying. Also, they may be spraying us with those products but not in chemtraisl.
The way the question was made already implied a specific type of answer, so yes, half of that (or even more) can be either true or false.
Loosed GMOs - It depends mostly on what you mean by "loose on this planet", depending on the definition it may be completely false.
Weather manipulation - Has been happening for a long time, but at what level? How much of it is the result of manipulation? Most of the people that talk about it imply that most of today's weather is the result of manipulation, so, in that case, more than half is not true.
Fake "news" - Sure there are fake "news", but your example of Sandy Hook is a good example, as all the reasons I saw for it to have been fake are assumptions based on ignorance of some facts and relying on what other people say without real basis (but I have to say that I haven't followed this for a long time, I stopped when I noticed that ignorance was rampant among the proponents of the fake theory). Most of that talk about fake "news" is based on some people's imagination (or bad intentions).
Agenda 21 - It exists, but, from what I have seen (once more, I haven't followed this much), not as most conspiracy theorists say, so more than half is not true.
PS: the above is, obviously, my opinion, based on what I have seen and read about those topics. I may not have seen many important data about those or my interpretation of the data may be wrong, but at least I don't present my opinion as facts. :P
Wrong.
It's all about Your attitude.
:-*
this is not a new argument
the sides have been chosen and seen by all who read here
they haven't changed since the last time you guys went in these very same circles
nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance
can we move on please
What attitude would You suggest? [smile]
And... You make it sound as if I am obsessed. Like a rabid fan of a star. Nothing can be further from the truth. I have identified the problem Humanity has on this planet: psychopaths in control.
I should imagine that the people who 'own' the 'printing of the money' equate to the 'triallionaires'.
Do we need to look further than the world's oldest monetary establishments and their fortunes/heirs?
What attitude would You suggest? [smile]
nothing is being accomplished by it's continuance
LOL! You do reach on a lot there, ArMaP.Trying to get clear definitions is "reaching"?
That crystal staff is awesome.
If they could make it light up with L.E.D's or something that would be even better.
That crystal staff is awesome.
If they could make it light up with L.E.D's or something that would be even better.