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Title: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: A51Watcher on April 11, 2017, 01:42:57 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNiscigIgBc


Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Amaterasu on April 11, 2017, 02:25:37 pm
Gee it sounds so good...  Still does not explain why so much has come out about how "lethal" they are, nor all the fakery We can clearly see in the moon landing vids.  So...  Do We call this apologetics?  Or... 
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: zorgon on April 11, 2017, 02:52:52 pm
NASA ENGINEER SAYS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfUpqnLFCc
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: ArMaP on April 11, 2017, 03:04:15 pm
NASA ENGINEER SAYS:
That the radiation can fry the electronics, but that was also said on the video in the opening post, no surprises there for anyone that knows a little about electronics.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 11, 2017, 03:10:30 pm
Lou Baldin told me yesterday, that Apollo DID go to the Moon and back.
With a little help from 'friends' to provide tan coverage...(SPF 50)... 8)

John T. Fountain Sr. So humans have been to the moon and back? Huh Lou? I noticed you didn't say Apollo in your statement but you posted an article about Apollo. So did Apollo actually send men to the moon and back? Or are you just playing with words? 😏
Like · Reply · 2 · Yesterday at 5:43am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin Apollo did go, John. Everything is possible with a little help from the little green men. Without ET humans would still be living in mud huts. Yeah, I know, billions of people still do.

John T. Fountain Sr. So the little 'Green Men', perferred the US over the Rooskies?...
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 7:39am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin ETs preferred the USA over all other countries not only the Rooskies. ;)

John T. Fountain Sr. So I take it 'they' used 'their' shielding to protect The Eagle from the Van Allen Belt radiation?...
Like · Reply · 2 · Yesterday at 8:19am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin The astronauts didn't come back with a tan.
Unlike · Reply · 4 · Yesterday at 9:52am
John T. Fountain Sr.
John T. Fountain Sr.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 10:26am
John T. Fountain Sr.
John T. Fountain Sr. Figured as much. SPF 50
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 10:26am
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: biggles on April 11, 2017, 05:43:18 pm
Lou Baldin told me yesterday, that Apollo DID go to the Moon and back.
With a little help from 'friends' to provide tan coverage...(SPF 50)... 8)

John T. Fountain Sr. So humans have been to the moon and back? Huh Lou? I noticed you didn't say Apollo in your statement but you posted an article about Apollo. So did Apollo actually send men to the moon and back? Or are you just playing with words? 😏
Like · Reply · 2 · Yesterday at 5:43am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin Apollo did go, John. Everything is possible with a little help from the little green men. Without ET humans would still be living in mud huts. Yeah, I know, billions of people still do.

John T. Fountain Sr. So the little 'Green Men', perferred the US over the Rooskies?...
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 7:39am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin ETs preferred the USA over all other countries not only the Rooskies. ;)

John T. Fountain Sr. So I take it 'they' used 'their' shielding to protect The Eagle from the Van Allen Belt radiation?...
Like · Reply · 2 · Yesterday at 8:19am
Lou Baldin
Lou Baldin The astronauts didn't come back with a tan.
Unlike · Reply · 4 · Yesterday at 9:52am
John T. Fountain Sr.
John T. Fountain Sr.
Like · Reply · Yesterday at 10:26am
John T. Fountain Sr.
John T. Fountain Sr. Figured as much. SPF 50
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 10:26am


Back in 1969 when Buzz and the others went up in that rocket, I remember well, watched it on tv back then.

Cut to this century and I am told the van Allen belts would have stopped that rocket from getting through; But apparently they had a little help. ?
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: ArMaP on April 11, 2017, 05:49:01 pm
Cut to this century and I am told the van Allen belts would have stopped that rocket from getting through; But apparently they had a little help. ?
How would have the van Allen belts stopped the rocket from getting through?
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: biggles on April 11, 2017, 05:50:42 pm
How would have the van Allen belts stopped the rocket from getting through?

I'm not tech minded by far and away ArMap, but apparently it has to do with frying everything up.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Eighthman on April 11, 2017, 07:16:19 pm
Your quote highlights the point about the US and aliens.  I can see that they would prefer the US as world leader, an internationalist nation.

I think that has ended. The US freely vandalizes the world in an utter scofflaw manner.  If I was ET, I'd look to a Russia/China alliance as the better choice to interface with.  They act like adults instead of toddlers throwing a tantrum.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: A51Watcher on April 11, 2017, 07:21:15 pm
NASA ENGINEER SAYS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfUpqnLFCc

This engineer didn't really address any specifics like the OP  video did, such as it's path through what part of the belt, and what kind of shielding they had, and what levels they expect...

The VA belt is not a 360 degree bubble, it has heavy parts and light parts, as seen in the diagram. No sense in going through the heavy parts if you don't have to.

Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 11, 2017, 08:35:57 pm
Your quote highlights the point about the US and aliens.  I can see that they would prefer the US as world leader, an internationalist nation.

I think that has ended. The US freely vandalizes the world in an utter scofflaw manner.  If I was ET, I'd look to a Russia/China alliance as the better choice to interface with.  They act like adults instead of toddlers throwing a tantrum.

If you think the Russians or Chinese act like adults or any differently than the US you are sadly mistaken. There's something else going on here and it doesn't have anything to do with the very temporary occupant of the White House.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Eighthman on April 12, 2017, 05:00:24 am
Feel free to elaborate on your speculations.  Russia and China aren't 'nice' but they do seem mature and more focused on long term constructive goals than the US - such as massive Arctic development and the "Silk Road" initiative. They also have a dogged determination to emphasize international laws.

Further example: the Chinese are greedy for resources and quietly racist. However, a group of African leaders praised their approach in that they get roads and rail lines from China and not a lecture on how to treat gays, like the US. The past leader of Singapore once fended off critics by asking, "how much human rights can you afford?"  Development comes first and social order gets added gradually.

I gotta get some time to read the "Hundred Year Marathon".  I'm told it's scary.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 12, 2017, 05:19:50 am
Feel free to elaborate on your speculations.  Russia and China aren't 'nice' but they do seem mature and more focused on long term constructive goals than the US - such as massive Arctic development and the "Silk Road" initiative. They also have a dogged determination to emphasize international laws.

Further example: the Chinese are greedy for resources and quietly racist. However, a group of African leaders praised their approach in that they get roads and rail lines from China and not a lecture on how to treat gays, like the US. The past leader of Singapore once fended off critics by asking, "how much human rights can you afford?"  Development comes first and social order gets added gradually.

I gotta get some time to read the "Hundred Year Marathon".  I'm told it's scary.

Their dogged determination for international laws are only a smoke screen to pursue domination. Nothing more. They'll use whatever means necessary to achieve their goals. As do other countries.

So human rights take a back seat?  It's a slippery slope. Most of these smaller countries are run by strongmen who want to stay in power. They too will do what is necessary to achieve their goals.

And it's not speculation. It's the way of the world. Been happening for thousands of years.

Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 12, 2017, 05:22:01 am
But this topic is not about country or flag.

Let's get back in topic please.  8)
Pm me for further discussion.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: ArMaP on April 12, 2017, 06:37:29 am
I'm not tech minded by far and away ArMap, but apparently it has to do with frying everything up.
It doesn't work that way, specially with old electronics, like they had during Apollo.

With today's electronics, with much smaller and sensitive components, things are harder in that way, that's why there are radiation-hardened electronic components.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 12, 2017, 07:03:58 am
Found this, thought it might help the discussion.
from: Compiled and maintained by Christopher M Jones


Isn't it impossible for a human to travel through the van Allen
    radiation belts and live?

The van Allen "belts" are zones of radiation where high speed particles
(such as protons and electrons) that have been trapped from the Solar
wind by the Earth's magnetic fields.  The inner van Allen belt extends
from about 1,000 to 5,000 kilometers above Earth's surface, the outer
van Allen belt extends from about 15,000 to 25,000 kilometers above
Earth's surface.  The radiation in the van Allen belts was a serious
concern for the Apollo program.  The Apollo spacecraft were designed to
provide some protection from the van Allen radiation, but more than that
the mission was designed so that astronauts spent the least possible
amount of time in the van Allen belts.  The actual amount of radiation
received by the Apollo astronauts during their passage through the van
Allen belts is difficult to determine but it is estimated to be about
2 rems (or 20 milli-Sieverts).

In comparison, a modern chest X-ray will deliver about 10-20 millirems
to the subject, radiation doses from background radiation (cosmic rays,
radon, uranium deposits, etc.) for the average human living on Earth is
on the order of 100 millirems per year, and annual doses for people
working around radiation (for example, X-ray technicians, nuclear power
plant workers, etc.) can range up to 0.4 rems per year.  The "maximum
permissible dose" for radiation workers on Earth is 5 rems per year or
25 rems in a single emergency exposure.  A 25-100 rem dose will increase
a person's chance of developing cancer.  Around 100-200 rems, a person
will experience nausea several hours after exposure.  Above 300 rems,
severe vomiting, and hemorrhaging will result nearly immediately, loss
of hair, and other health effects will result fairly rapidly, greater
than half of the people exposed to this much radiation will die within 2
months.  Above 800 rems, diarrhea, dehydration, and problems with
digestive organs will result rapidly, over 90% of people exposed to this
much radiation will die within two weeks.  Above several thousand rems,
death results in a few days and convulsions and nervous system failure
occurs almost immediately.  So, 2 rems is certainly a lot, but by no
means would it cause instant death or illness.  And in fact is most
likely to cause no noticeable immediate or long term effects.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Eighthman on April 12, 2017, 07:07:14 am
I also wonder about the film containers within a tin bucket such as the Apollo craft.  And did they go forward knowing that an unexpected solar storm could kill them all? ( even if we agree on the 2 rem dose model?)

As for world peace, it's about balance, not loving each other.
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on April 12, 2017, 07:20:02 am
This should help from Space.com

Designing better spacecraft

The Van Allen Probes are specially radiation-hardened to withstand the intense environment of the belts. Some spacecraft, however, are more vulnerable — especially when a solar storm hits. At worst, spacecraft can short out due to an electrical overload. Communications can also be disrupted. Fortunately, sometimes instruments can be turned on or off on a spacecraft during a solar storm.

Radiation, of course, also poses a human risk. Astronauts are subject to lifetime radiation limits from their time in space, to reduce any risk of cancer. Since only a few dozen people have spent six months or longer in space, however, it will take decades to understand the long-term effects of radiation on humans.

The astronauts on the ISS do not regularly spend time inside the belts, but from time to time solar storms expand the belts to the orbit of the space station. In the 1960s, several Apollo crews went through the Van Allen belts on their way to and from the moon. Their time in that radiation-intensive region, however, was very short, in part because the trajectory was designed to pass through the thinnest known parts. With more study, astronauts can be better protected for long-term stays in Earth orbit.

"We study radiation belts because they pose a hazard to spacecraft and astronauts," said David Sibeck, the Van Allen Probes mission scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland, in an August 2016 NASA statement. "If you knew how bad the radiation could get, you would build a better spacecraft to accommodate that."
Title: Re: How did Apollo deal with the Van Allen radiation belts ?
Post by: Eighthman on April 12, 2017, 08:03:53 am
I wonder if Apollo planners  were tempted to use some vacuum tube equipment. Like Soviets did for nuke proof stuff.  Come to think of it, Traveling wave eq. was tubes, if they used that.