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Offline JimO

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #120 on: June 04, 2015, 07:55:22 pm »
... I was in contact with Mister Mcclelland several years back and shared several emailed discussions between us here on the forum with Zorgon and the other members..

I still have those emails, in which Clark shared his experiences with us about what he saw, and what came of it; that is when we were told of him being stripped of his pension after being ridden out on a rail...

Thanks for contributing. Did he tell you about his flying to Kecksburg in 1965 to personally examine the Nazi time machine that had just crashed there? Did he show you any documentation that indicated he ever was a NASA employee [eligible for GS pension] rather than a contractor employee [not eligible]? He has also suggested he was the source of Keyhoe's report in 1963 about Gordon Cooper's UFO sighting aboard Mercury-9, did he elaborate with you? 

It would help clear things up.

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2015, 07:58:24 pm »
Ok ... obviously nothing new has been presented,

so it looks like we're right back where we started,

the objects are still unidentified. (UFOs)

And just as a reminder, there's also this critter looking thing from STS-80 as well:

UFO Caught on Camera by NASA-STS-80 mission (the "Sperm Object") (L.C. nicknamed it that)


Wow, let me go check it out on the real flight video records. What was the time/date of the video? How close was it to sunrise?

Oooooh, Martyn refuses to tell you that? Gosh, shocker.

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2015, 08:00:54 pm »
Ok ... obviously nothing new has been presented,

so it looks like we're right back where we started,

the objects are still unidentified. (UFOs)

What's your theory about the ONE object Zorgon is fixated on, but won't offer a theorized range for? Otherwise, how is it you refuse to give any weight to the views of Jones and Musgrave, who were there?

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #123 on: June 04, 2015, 08:02:49 pm »
Jim you quoted my post without the video ....


[youtube]mJpsADFWICs[/youtube]


Why didn't you include that in the quote ?

Scared someone might see it ?  :P

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #124 on: June 04, 2015, 08:13:35 pm »
What's your theory about the ONE object Zorgon is fixated on, but won't offer a theorized range for? Otherwise, how is it you refuse to give any weight to the views of Jones and Musgrave, who were there?

Ha Ha your not too bright are you ?

They all claim they didn't see it with their own eyeballs,

so your argument is rediculous.  ::)


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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #125 on: June 04, 2015, 08:15:26 pm »
Greetings:

Jim, what a great place to answer my ONE question, please.

Is Cooper lying or not?

Thanking you in advance for your attention, participation and forthcoming honest answer: YES or NO.



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Hey Oberg.....yes or no?

Still waiting ;)
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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #126 on: June 04, 2015, 08:24:38 pm »
They all claim they didn't see it with their own eyeballs,

That obviously is irrelevant

Hey Oberg.....yes or no?

Jim works for NASA  NASA = NEVER A Straight Answer. :P We see that at work here

 8)

But hey  cut him a little slack   It's one against the rest of us and he is running out of places to bend ears ;)

If we all agreed this would be a boring place.. Don't yawl miss the old EPIC battles just a little?




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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #127 on: June 04, 2015, 08:37:41 pm »
I know I know but I like dueling with sharp sticks. JimO is so funny.  He does realize this?... Yes that is a snowflake....bwawawa
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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #128 on: June 04, 2015, 08:42:08 pm »
If we all agreed this would be a boring place.. Don't yawl miss the old EPIC battles just a little?

Are you going to offer a theory of what your dot really is, how FAR away from the shuttle it is, how it moved during the sequence?

Why CAN'T they all be small sunlit nearby ice flakes, some tumbling?


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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2015, 08:51:26 pm »
That obviously is irrelevant

Yes apparently ... lol


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Jim works for NASA  NASA = NEVER A Straight Answer. :P We see that at work here 8)

Also ex U.S. Air Force and we all know project Blue Book was a debunk operation.


Really if it's possible I'd like to see this explained but not explained away like he's attempting to do again.

 :D

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #130 on: June 04, 2015, 08:55:54 pm »
Hey Oberg.....yes or no? Still waiting ;)

Sorry you missed my answer yesterday. I have no reason to believe, or argue, that Cooper was knowingly presenting information he thought was false, to deceive people. I have LOTS of reasons, detailed in reports that folks hereabouts refuse to even read, that the way Cooper described MANY spaceflight and UFO events in later years was strikingly at variance with all other witnesses, documentation, and technical limitations of spaceflight. My explanation is that Cooper's memories of those events was flawed.

Examples -- McDonald and Sparks both independently determined that the 1957 Edwards cameramen never reported to Cooper, saw only an object floating past [no landing], and turned in their reports and photos to Blue Book where they have always been accessible.

Examples -- Cooper's claim to have imaged readable license plates with a window mounted camera on Gemini-5 was impossible due to the craft's groundspeed of 25,000 ft/sec, hopelessly smearing even the fastest exposure speed of the camera.

Examples -- Cooper's claim there was a design flaw in the shuttle revealed by a telepathic warning from space aliens is not matched by any documented design changes Cooper claims his warning caused.

Also -- Zorgon is squirming his way out of admitting he tried to offer a bogus 'Mercury-9 UFO encounter" by Cooper, even though that story was an old media hoax that even Cooper denounces, but Zorgon still believes. Anybody else ever get taken in by that one? Fess up.

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #131 on: June 04, 2015, 08:58:18 pm »
Zorgon is apparently grossly misinformed about air drag in space and the shape of space trajectories, and defiantly proud of it.

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #132 on: June 04, 2015, 09:22:27 pm »
Regarding this video:

Jim you quoted my post without the video ....


[youtube]mJpsADFWICs[/youtube]


Why didn't you include that in the quote ?

Scared someone might see it ?  :P

And Oberg questions below:

Wow, let me go check it out on the real flight video records. What was the time/date of the video? How close was it to sunrise?

Oooooh, Martyn refuses to tell you that? Gosh, shocker.

Your questions about that event were all answered, but I think you missed the reading back to page 2 in this thread. ::)

Let me help you Jim: (click in the image to enlarge and in the mouse middle button to move the picture)









You can READ the rest in the PDF below OR you can go back to PAGE 2.

PDF:http://www.carlotto.us/newfrontiersinscience/Papers/v04n04a/v04n04a.pdf

Intriguing that you missed this one since Mark J. Carlotto in his analysis mention your name quite some times.

Why CAN'T they all be small sunlit nearby ice flakes, some tumbling?

Because they are NOT as you can see in the document. Don't be afraid to recognize you are wrong. Remember: Listen to Marcus Aurelius.

In the final decade of Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius’ life he wrote a series of personal philosophies intended for himself; these would later be

“If anyone can refute me—show me I’m making a mistake or looking at things from the wrong perspective—I’ll gladly change. It’s the truth I’m after, and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance.”


"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #133 on: June 04, 2015, 10:07:30 pm »
Regarding this video:

And Oberg questions below:

Your questions about that event were all answered, but I think you missed the reading back to page 2 in this thread. ::)

THANKS, I really missed that, I'll order up some data on it. I'm reading it now and don't recall ever seeing it before.
The Marcus Aurelius bounce-back was nicely done!
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Re: STS-80 UFO Circle revisited
« Reply #134 on: June 05, 2015, 06:48:48 am »
THANKS, I really missed that, I'll order up some data on it. I'm reading it now and don't recall ever seeing it before.
The Marcus Aurelius bounce-back was nicely done!

Good hunting.
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