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Re: EU UK Referendum
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2016, 03:40:25 pm »
It will take a little time for all of the kinks to be worked out, but Britain was doing fine before the EU, and they certainly will be doing even better after the EU exit!
Then why did they insist in being accepted?

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The United States of America could very possibly find itself in the same situation with the United Nations one of these days, and similarly choose to leave it!! :)
That's a completely different situation.
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Re: EU UK Referendum
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2016, 05:31:03 am »
Everything That Goes Wrong Will Be Blamed On Brexit

Paul Watson from Infowars comments on his thoughts on the outcome of Brexit and how he envisions attempts by those that were in opposition to attempt to either reverse the decision or create problems and make them blamed on leaving the EU.

He suggested that it was mainly down to the poorer areas & people who have seen their lives badly effected by past things in the past in the various 3 or so recessions that there have been since 1987..2000 and 2007/8...and the Govts decisions to move industries elsewhere abroad and bring in severe immigration..that made jobs even harder to obtain..

Life's decisions are never easy or rarely straight forward..and its hard to try to determine what maybe right , wrong or that maybe seen as forms of attempted manipulation with regards to it..




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The Latest: UK lawmaker wants Parliament to overturn EU vote


A British opposition lawmaker says Parliament should stop the "madness" and overturn the result of a referendum calling for Britain to leave the European Union


The Latest on Britain's historic vote to leave the European Union (all times local):
7:25 p.m.
A British opposition lawmaker says Parliament should stop the "madness" and overturn the result of a referendum calling for Britain to leave the European Union.
Labour legislator David Lammy says Thursday's national vote was non-binding and "our sovereign Parliament needs to now vote on whether we should quit the EU."
He says some "leave" supporters now regret their votes and Parliament should vote on Britain's EU membership. He said "we can stop this madness and bring this nightmare to an end. ... Let us not destroy our economy on the basis of lies and the hubris of ('leave' leader) Boris Johnson."
Constitutional experts say Parliament cannot easily ignore the will of the people. Alan Renwick, deputy director of University College London's Constitution Unit, says "in legal theory that is possible. In practice, that is absolutely not possible."
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6:15 p.m.
Britain's vote to leave the European Union has reverberated through London's boisterous LGBT pride festival.
The flags of European nations flew at the annual Pride in London parade, which ended with a rally in Trafalgar Square.
London Mayor Sadiq Khan told the crowd of thousands that Europeans in London are "our friends, our families and our neighbors."
Khan says "I recognize the huge contribution you make to our city, you are welcome here. I make you this promise as your mayor. That won't change."
Voters in London overwhelmingly supported staying in the EU, but a majority outside the capital voted to leave.
Belgian Georges Peters, who was flying his country's flag at the parade, said he was "very disappointed about the vote. I think this is bad for the economy and it's important that we stand together."
Antaine O'Briain from Ireland said he was "shocked and horrified" at the result of the Thursday's vote.
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5:55 p.m.
France's economy minister is calling for a new, more transparent plan for the European Union that would be submitted to a popular vote.
Emmanuel Macron is accusing Britain's Conservative Party of taking the rest of the EU hostage with a referendum staged for domestic reasons that now is threatening to torpedo European unity. His unusually outspoken comments came at a debate Saturday at the Institute for Political Science in Paris on how European can cope with Britain's vote to leave the 28-nation EU.
Macron says "If we made a mistake ... it's to have let a member state take hostage the European project in a unilateral manner ... and therefore to have choreographed these last few months the possibility of the crumbling of Europe."
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4:10 p.m.
Britain's vote to leave the European Union has spurred a surge in interest in obtaining Irish citizenship from people in Northern Ireland.
The Post Office in Northern Ireland says it has "seen an unusually high number of people in Northern Ireland seeking Irish passport applications."
Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, but most people born there can also claim citizenship in the neighboring Republic of Ireland — an EU member. While Britain as a whole voted to leave the EU in Thursday's referendum, a majority of voters in Northern Ireland opted to remain.
Irish citizenship has generally been taken up by members of Northern Ireland's Irish nationalist Roman Catholic community, rather than by Protestants who identify as British.
But in a sign of how the referendum has turned politics on its head, one of Northern Ireland's leading Protestant politicians, Ian Paisley Jr., tweeted: "My advice is if you are entitled to second passport then take one."
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3:50 p.m.
The European commissioner from Latvia, who is now responsible for overseeing the EU's financial services sector, says his "priority is to maintain financial stability in markets."
The EU's euro commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis says he hopes "to live up to tasks entrusted to me."
Dombrovskis wrote on Twitter that "I highly value the work" of Jonathan Hill, the British representative on the EU Executive Commission who stepped down Saturday, saying he was disappointed by the British referendum result.
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker immediately transferred Hill's responsibilities to Dombrovskis, costing Britain a key voice in a sector that is hugely important to London, whose status as Europe's financial capital is threatened by Britain's EU exit.
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3:45 p.m.
Italy's finance minister is urging the European Union to do more than "concern itself only about banks. In an interview with Milan newspaper Corriere della Sera Saturday, Pier Carlo Padoan says it's time to think the "unthinkable."
He says "deep dissatisfaction" over immigration, security and slow economic growth could combine for a further push toward disintegration of the EU bloc. Italy has been pushing for more EU action to encourage economic growth.
Padoan says it's possible Britain's EU exit could cause smaller growth in Italy.
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3:40 p.m.
Iran's Foreign Ministry says in a statement that the British people's decision to leave the European Union will have no effect on Tehran's approach toward the U.K.
The statement, carried by Iran's English language Press TV on Saturday, said "Iran respects the British people's vote to leave the European Union."
An official in President Hassan Rouhani's office, Hamid Aboutalebi, had called it a "big earthquake" and part of the "domino" collapse of the EU.
Iran's government is still suspicious of Britain over its role in backing a 1953 coup. A British-Iranian woman held by the Revolutionary Guard faces allegations of working toward the "soft toppling" of the government.
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Associated Press writer Amir Vahdat in Tehran, Iran contributed.
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3:15 p.m.
French President Francois Hollande is holding exceptional meetings with the leaders of France's political parties, as EU leaders try to keep the union together after Britain's vote to leave.
Far right leader Marine Le Pen called for a referendum on France's EU membership following Thursday's British vote. Hollande's administration dismissed the call, but Le Pen is currently more popular in opinion polls and hopes to replace Hollande in presidential elections next year.
Hollande convened a string of meetings Saturday with his own Socialist Party, former President Nicolas Sarkozy's conservative opposition party The Republicans, the far right National Front, the Greens and parties on the far left and center.
France is a founding member of what is now the EU, but French voters rejected an EU constitution in 2005 that would have enshrined closer unity, and France's heartland has a lot of the same frustration at economic stagnation and migration that drove the British vote to quit the EU.
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2:25 p.m.
Danish Prime Minister Lars Loekke Rasmussen says Britain's exit "will echo for years to come and change the Europe as we know it."
He says "the EU must stay away from areas where countries do it best themselves" and pay attention to popular skepticism across the continent.
After a government meeting Saturday to discuss the British vote, he wrote on Facebook that the government's priority was "to defend Danish interests in the upcoming divorce."
Loekke Rasmussen said Friday the Scandinavian country that joined the European Union in 1973 at the same time as Britain, has "no plans to hold a referendum on this basic matter."
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2:15 p.m.
European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker says he regrets the resignation of Britain's EU commissioner, Jonathan Hill.
Hill was responsible for the EU's oversight of financial services — a hugely important industry to London.
Juncker said that "I wanted the British commissioner to be in charge of financial services, as a sign of my confidence in the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union. To my great regret, this situation is now changing."
He said he would transfer Hill's responsibilities to Valdis Dombrovskis, European commissioner from Latvia.
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2:10 p.m.
The European Union's six founding nations are urging a quick British departure from the bloc and are pledging to address divergent attitudes toward the EU from its 27 remaining member nations.
Foreign ministers of Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg met in Berlin on Saturday and said in a statement that they want Britain to quickly invoke the article in the EU charter allowing it to start negotiations on departure.
Regarding the other members, they said "We have to find better ways of dealing with these different levels" of commitment to closer European unity. Founding nations want to increase political and economic cooperation but some newer nations are wary of giving up more sovereignty.
"We are aware that discontent with the functioning of the EU as it is today is manifest in parts of our societies. We take this very seriously and are determined to make the EU work better for all our citizens," it said.
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2:00 p.m.
France's foreign minister is hoping Britain can name a new prime minister in the coming days to speed up its departure from the European Union.
That timeframe is highly unrealistic given the political turmoil in Britain. Instead it is likely to take months to name a replacement to Prime Minister David Cameron, who is resigning and wants his successor to handle the departure negotiations.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said Saturday "they must designate a new prime minister, which would certainly require several days." He was speaking in Berlin alongside counterparts from the five other founding members of the European Union, as EU leaders try to keep the project from falling apart after British voters chose Thursday to leave.
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2:00 p.m.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel says it "shouldn't take forever" for Britain to deliver formal notification that it wants to leave the European Union but is making clear that the matter is in London's hands.
Merkel said Saturday at a news conference in Potsdam, outside Berlin: "To be honest, it shouldn't take forever, that's right — but I would not fight over a short period of time."
The German leader said she is seeking a "objective, good" climate in talks on Britain's exit from the EU and that there's no need to make deterrence a priority.
Merkel said that there is "no need to be particularly nasty in any way in the negotiations; they must be conducted properly."
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1:55 p.m.
An online petition seeking a second referendum on a British exit from the Europe Union has drawn more than 1 million names, a measure of the extraordinary divisiveness of Thursday's vote to leave the 28-nation bloc.
The online petition site hosted by the House of Commons website crashed Friday under the weight of the activity as officials said they'd seen unprecedented interest in the measure.
Online petitions — which take little effort and are easy to game — are poor measures of popular opinion, but any petition which draws more than 100,000 names must be considered for debate in Parliament.
In the short term, demands for a rerun are likely to go nowhere given that Britain's "leave" camp won by more than 1 million votes in a high-turnout vote.
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1:50 p.m.
Britain's representative on the EU's executive body says he is resigning because it would not be right to carry on after the U.K. vote to leave the bloc.
Jonathan Hill, Britain's EU commissioner, says he's very disappointed by the referendum result, but "what is done cannot be undone."
Hill says in a statement that he will work with EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to ensure there is an "orderly handover."
Hill says he started his job skeptical of the EU but leaves it "certain that, despite its frustrations, our membership was good for our place in the world and good for our economy."
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1:00 p.m.
British opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn says Britain must react "calmly and rationally" to the divisive EU referendum campaign.
Corbyn, whose Labour Party backed a vote to stay in the bloc, says the areas that voted most strongly to leave are "communities that have effectively been abandoned" by economic change and the austerity policies of Britain's Conservative government.
He told a meeting in London Saturday that politicians needed to take seriously voters' concerns about immigration, which led many to back a British exit from the 28-nation EU.
Many Labour lawmakers strongly backed "remain" and accuse the socialist Corbyn, a longtime critic of the EU, of failing to rally party supporters behind staying in the bloc. Several are trying to rally support behind a bid to unseat Corbyn.
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12:55 p.m.
Luxembourg's foreign minister says Britain needs to quickly start negotiations with the European Union on its exit from the trade bloc.
Speaking Saturday in Berlin after meeting with other top European diplomats, Jean Asselborn said he hoped there would be no "cat and mouse" game now and that Britain would invoke Article 50 of the EU charter, which allows for a country to leave.
"There must be clarity," Asselborn told reporters. "The people have spoken and we need to implement this decision."
He added that once outside the bloc, Britain would be a "third country" — the EU term for non-members — in terms of trade agreements but emphasized that was "not meant negatively."
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12:50 p.m.
Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon says Scotland will launch immediate talks with European Union nations and institutions to find a way to remain in the bloc despite Britain's vote to leave.
Sturgeon says voters in Scotland gave "emphatic" backing to remaining in the bloc. A majority of voters in more-populous England opted to leave.
After meeting with her Cabinet she said "we will seek to enter into immediate discussion" with the rest of the EU.
She says a new referendum on Scottish independence from the United Kingdom is "very much on the table."
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12:40 p.m.
European foreign ministers are urging quick negotiations on Britain's departure from the EU to avoid prolonged financial and political insecurity for the continent.
French Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said "there is a certain urgency ... so that we don't have a period of uncertainty, with financial consequences, political consequences."
He spoke in Berlin on Saturday alongside counterparts from the other five founding members of what has become the EU — Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. They also spoke of the need for a speedy renegotiation.
He also urged the remaining 27 EU countries to return to "the spirit of the founders" of European unity, forged to prevent conflict via trade after World War II. "It is up to us to recreate this spirit," he said, noting all the European countries that subsequently joined after overthrowing dictatorships and embracing democracy.
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12:20 p.m.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier says negotiations on British exit should begin "as soon as possible" but adds that "intensive European discussions" are needed.
Speaking after a meeting in Berlin with foreign ministers of the other five founding members of the EU, Steinmeier there is a need to "show the people of Europe that Europe is important, and not only important but able to carry out its work."
He also called for Britain to engage in talks sooner rather than later. He says: "We understand and respect the result and understand that Great Britain will now concentrate on Great Britain," but adds that Britain as a responsibility to work with the EU on exit terms.
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10:05 a.m.
French President Francois Hollande says the British vote to leave the European Union poses questions "for the whole planet."
Hollande vowed Saturday to maintain relations with Britain, notably concerning migrants crossing between the two countries and military and economic cooperation.
Speaking after a meeting in Paris with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, Hollande said: "For the entire planet there is a question, what will happen?"
He called for an orderly separation between Britain and the EU after Thursday's historic vote to exit the bloc, formed after two world wars to prevent new conflict via trade cooperation.
Hollande, whose country was a founding pillar of European unity, is holding emergency meetings Saturday with leaders of France's political parties as EU leaders try to keep the bloc from unravelling after the British vote.
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08:30 a.m.
Top diplomats from the European Union's original six founding nations are meeting in Berlin for hastily arranged talks following Britain's stunning vote to leave the bloc.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier says it is critical to see the vote as a wakeup call. He was heading into meetings Saturday with his counterparts from France, Netherlands, Italy, Belgium and Luxembourg.
Steinmeier says EU politicians must listen "to the expectations of the European governments but also to the expectations of the people."
He cautioned against rash decisions, saying that "it's totally clear that in times like these one should neither be hysterical nor fall into paralysis."
Steinmeier's office says the meeting is one of many conversations now taking place, and shouldn't be seen as "an exclusive format."

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/latest-france-says-british-vote-echoes-across-planet-090843248--finance.html

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Re: EU UK Referendum
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2016, 06:24:12 am »
if anyone has a large enough cookie cutter , I know of a certain capitol city that wishes to move to Scotland.

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« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2016, 06:34:11 am »
anyone want to take a guess at why Camron resigned, when he said he would continue, and why he has delayed  initiating article 50 until October?

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« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2016, 06:41:43 am »
o and why his wife was standing 10 feet away in solidarity, whilst he was giving his resignation speech ? :D

*chokes up *

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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2016, 06:48:39 am »
It maybe  hard to say if Cameron's decision was wrong to do what he did by resigning on the day..I would had thought that maybe he should have at least took the weekend to consider..

The markets had already crashed...so has  his decision helped calm them falling further so soon...

What puzzled me about Cameron is that he had initially seemed to indicate it maybe best to leave the EU.. maybe 8 to 6 months or so to  even 8 weeks ago I think... then he changed his view..

what he said back in Nov 2015..based on his demands to the EU..so it may appear he did make a suggestion to initially indicate it..and maybe it was a genuine statement..and depended how the Other EU leaders reacted to his demands..

I can only assume that they did as in the last 4 weeks leading to it his views had changed..

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November 2015..
David Cameron will issue a dramatic warning to fellow EU leaders this week that he may have to recommend a UK exit from the European Union if they reject his demands for reform.

Turning up the pressure on the other 27 EU heads of state, the prime minister will formally table his list of demands – including a four-year ban on EU migrants claiming in-work benefits after entering the UK – in a letter to European Council president Donald Tusk on Tuesday. It will mark the start of months of detailed negotiations involving senior representatives of all EU governments, ahead of the promised in/out referendum on UK membership before the end of 2017.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/07/david-cameron-exit-warning-eu-reform

I think that alone for many Brits was NOT good enough..There was suggestions that many Immigrants were getting many benefits that even some of the UK citizens could not get..

So I am suspicious of the whole thing at the moment..

Also if there is any chance that the decision could be opposed and changed and he knows that is maybe a possibility..again why would he do it so soon.

UNLESS that maybe what happens next in part of the plan ! and he then becomes reinstated if another referendum does take place and the outcome changes....

IT would NOT surprise me if such a thing is possible that the decision becomes challenged and  then another Referendum  takes place and the outcome changed.

It is being suggested that the outcome is NOT Binding...
if so can it be challenged for a 2nd vote..

Was this one just a tester  to get a idea ..so maybe the experts can spin it again in what ever way they want it to go..

Maybe we will get to know next week if it was a final outcome or not !

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Labour legislator David Lammy says Thursday's national vote was non-binding and "our sovereign Parliament needs to now vote on whether we should quit the EU."

I think we often see Wives of Politicians /P.Ms/ Presidents stand nearby to them  when they make important statements..I think i've seen similar with Blair's and  Obama's Wife.

anyone want to take a guess at why Camron resigned, when he said he would continue, and why he has delayed  initiating article 50 until October?

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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2016, 07:12:13 am »
It maybe  hard to say if Cameron's decision was wrong to do what he did by resigning on the day..I would had thought that maybe he should have at least took the weekend to consider..

very wrong, its a direct contradiction of the things he said he would do beforehand, but  I doubt any  of the things he said were his words or thoughts. this to me was a direct call from above.

in other words ,*for those that aren't familiar with unfamiliar metaphors*, he was directed to resign
maybe the reason why no one has seen Osborne :D

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The markets had already crashed...so has  his decision helped calm them falling further so soon...

yes , amazing how quickly the fear mongering started mid count wasn't it :D

contrived one feels

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What puzzled me about Cameron is that he had initially seemed to indicate it maybe best to leave the EU.. maybe 6 to 8 weeks ago I think... then he changed his view..

again ... that clarity from above ,shaping things..

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So I am suspicious of the whole thing at the moment..

but are these peculiar behaviours , bread crumbs to make us become so ?

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Also if there is any chance that the decision could be changed and he knows that maybe a possibility..again why would he do it so soon

from now to October , hmmm , why do I get the impression its a big distraction , I get the feeling something big is happening on the peripheries of the sandstorm

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I think we often see Wives of Politicians /P.Ms/ Presidents stand nearby to them  when they make important statements. I think I've seen similar with Blair's and  Obama's Wife.

hmm maybe, but given the framing of the speech it was overkill to keep her out of shot, for the medium -long shot *angled shot from left of Camron, down street, incorporating the couple* it portrayed distance ,isolation , solitude and an air of repulsion..

poor ole dodgy Dave :D

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2016, 07:45:43 am »
I amended some parts of my prior post..you may not had noted.

The one thing that Politicians are expert at is being able to change their views and giving reasons for doing so..or lying.  :)

It could have been a call from "above" or just an expected thing he knew was coming ..and hes just a good actor !

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very wrong, its a direct contradiction of the things he said he would do beforehand, but  I doubt any  of the things he said were his words or thoughts. this to me was a direct call from above.

in other words ,*for those that aren't familiar with unfamiliar metaphors*, he was directed to resign
maybe the reason why no one has seen Osborne :D


We may see a Domino effect between now and October..

anything could happen..

if its genuine... they may not be able to control what happens next..

or it maybe planned..

we may never know !

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from now to October , hmmm , why do I get the impression its a big distraction , I get the feeling something big is happening on the peripheries of the sandstorm

Yes it may have been part of the plan to have the media / Press  obtain such a view as you describe...

If he is genuine, then maybe poor old Dave !

If D.C is just part of the plan ...then He is probably getting a large pay off ! so it wont be poor Dave ! and maybe he will take early retirement....but more than likely now become a back bencher or take on some other roll like Blair did..

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hmm maybe, but given the framing of the speech it was overkill to keep her out of shot, for the medium -long shot *angled shot from left of Camron, down street, incorporating the couple* it portrayed distance ,isolation , solitude and an air of repulsion..

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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2016, 09:03:03 am »
 last-ditch efforts that could stop the Brexit.

Another related article to try to reverse the Brexit decision..

Just three days after a shocking vote to leave the European Union, millions of Britons are asking for a do-over. But is it possible to stop the process?

Technically, yes. While the chances are slim, there are several ways the UK could reverse course.

1) Members of Parliament vote against it

The referendum vote to leave the EU is not binding––the decision must be officially ratified by Parliament, following any legal challenges.

This gives the Members of Parliament, who mostly oppose the Brexit, an opportunity to vote to stay in the EU. However, the people have spoken, and the MPs have a responsibility to represent their interests.

"Opposing the will of the people is not going to help you get elected next time, particularly if you are in a marginal constituency," write James Knightley, Chris Turner and Carsten Brzeski of ING Group.

2) A re-do referendum

Over 3 million UK residents signed a petition on Parliament's site demanding a second vote take place, the largest petition the government's website has ever seen. Parliament must debate any proposal with over 100,000 signatures.

The petition, which launched before the referendum, asked for a second vote on EU membership if support for the remain or leave vote was below 60% with turnout under 75%.

Thursday's British exit vote had only 52% backing on a 72% turnout. While the petition must be considered by Parliament, members do not need to act on it.

 
3) EU concessions

Before Britain invokes Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union, the never-used provision that sets out how a country would leave the union, the EU could negotiate more favorable terms with the UK.

"The EU offered major concessions after Danish voters initially rejected the Maastricht Treaty and Irish voters opposed both the Nice and Lisbon Treaties. It is therefore possible that some members want to keep the EU together at all costs and are prepared to offer the UK more on migration," write Knightley, Turner and Brzeski.

However, given that the free movement of people is one of the EU’s central tenets, many EU members will likely oppose further negotiations on this front, add Knightley, Turner and Brzeski. "Getting an agreement to give the UK more power to control EU migration whilst staying in the EU does not appear to be a probable outcome," they write.

 
4) Scotland and Northern Ireland veto the decision

Per the Scotland Act 1998, the Scottish Parliament would need to approve measures that remove EU law from Scotland, according to the House of Lords report "The Process of withdrawing from the European Union."

The report states that same might be true for Northern Ireland. However, this is simply an interpretation and not the letter of the law. Also, the UK Parliament ratified the Scotland Act, and it's possible they could override a potential veto by amending the Act.

Going forward

"What we do know is that the longer it takes to decide the outcome, the greater the political and economic costs for both the UK and the EU," write Knightley, Turner and Brzeski.

Given that Prime Minister David Cameron has already resigned and many EU members are calling for a quick separation, the path toward a Brexit will likely be difficult to stop.

“It’s not an amicable divorce, but it never really was a close love affair anyway,” said Jean-Claude Juncker, EU Commission President.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/britain-revote-stop-brexit-081452041.html


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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2016, 09:10:05 am »
It is being suggested that the outcome is NOT Binding...
It isn't.

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2016, 09:25:04 am »
Quote - "That's a completely different situation.

Yes, it is different - like the difference between a Volkswagen Beetle and an 18 wheel MAC truck. But both the EU and the UN are dedicated  to imposing upon all members what is the "group feeling of a few" for what is better for all, come hell or high water! The citizens of individual country members have little/no input into decisions made, and no recourse............except for an in-country vote such as Brexit to GET OUT OF IT

Now we get to watch the socialist left/ELiTES squeal like pigs, and run around the pig pen (Parliament) to try and find someway to deny the vote of the majority of the people. Of course, with most of the money being in the hands of people who "take care of/encourage" the pigs in the pig pen on what to do and how to do it, there likely will be a hard struggle!


                                                                             



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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2016, 09:43:48 am »
But both the EU and the UN are dedicated  to imposing upon all members what is the "group feeling of a few" for what is better for all, come hell or high water!
What does the UN imposes to its members?

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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2016, 12:03:17 pm »
What does the UN imposes to its members?

the virtual selloff of Greece ? :D

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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2016, 12:33:48 pm »
What does the UN imposes to its members?

Gun control and registration of arms! Environmental reqs.! etc etc .........and funding needs for the UN, which is a money black hole!

Funding

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By Patrick Goodenough | December 27, 2015 | 11:30 PM EST

The U.N. General Assembly just before Christmas approved a regular operating budget of $5.4 billion for the 2016-17 period. (That budget is calculated biannually.) Of the $2.7 billion earmarked for 2016, the U.S. will account for 22 percent, or $594 million.

Of the separate peacekeeping budget – $8.27 billion for the year ending June 30 – the U.S. is liable for 28.5783 percent, or $2.363 billion. Combined, the two U.S. contributions amount to just under $3 billion.

In actual fact the full extent of U.S. funding for the U.N. system will be considerably more than that: The $2.957 billion figure comprises the U.S. “assessed contributions” to the two main budgets, but the U.S. in addition provides much more in “voluntary contributions” to a range of U.N. agencies.

(The last time the administration was obliged by law to provide Congress with a full breakdown, the total for fiscal year 2010 was $7.69 billion. The reporting requirement fell away in 2011.)


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Re: EU UK Referendum
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2016, 12:47:35 pm »
Why would 2 or 3 million names on a petition make any difference?? millions have already put their names on petitions (votes). More than 30 million people from England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland -- and even tiny Gibraltar -- went to the polls, with 51.89% of them deciding that Britain would become the first country to withdraw from the 28-member bloc.

Would not the people who are now signing petitions be mostly those who voted "Remain" to begin with?? They lost already!! This should not be  "play-it-as-you-go game of cards. They had a vote, and now they need to get on with implementing the results!!

Doncha think it a bit ODD, that people who just voted on a matter and lost are now asking for another vote, or, or asking that the vote of Great Britain be ruled null and void??
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