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Offline Irene

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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2017, 07:47:08 am »
Hardly "cherry-picking."  Just noting that while in pursuit of a single vehicle misbehaving, there are MANY vehicles being passed that are NOT misbehaving.  We have a responsibility to choose Ethical behavior.  And stopping One choosing unEthical behavior is an Ethical choice. "laws" are irrelevant.

This is all I need to know.

Incidentally, you should review the definition of ethics. It doesn't apply here. Stopping someone who's violated a traffic law isn't an ethical issue. How the law is applied is.

Based on your logic, we shouldn't stop drunk drivers either.

Driving is a privilege, earned, not a right. I think that is more your ethical "dilemma". You think you should be able to do whatever you want behind the wheel because you're "special".

It doesn't work that way.
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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2017, 08:29:23 am »
This is all I need to know.

Incidentally, you should review the definition of ethics. It doesn't apply here. Stopping someone who's violated a traffic law isn't an ethical issue. How the law is applied is.

Based on your logic, we shouldn't stop drunk drivers either.

Driving is a privilege, earned, not a right. I think that is more your ethical "dilemma". You think you should be able to do whatever you want behind the wheel because you're "special".

It doesn't work that way.

Uh...  Endangering Others is unEthical, so no...  Based on My logic, We absolutely SHOULD stop drunk drivers.

And wow.  Just wow.  How You went from Me pointing out that for every One driver that chooses to behave poorly there are hundreds of thousands who do not to Me "think[ing] [ I ] should be able to do whatever [ I ] want behind the wheel because [I'm] "special"" is beyond Me to comprehend.  Almost as if You have an agenda here...  I'm sure You don't, so perhaps You can explain Your thought sequence.  I'm stumped.
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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2017, 08:48:58 am »
I quote you from above -

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"laws" are irrelevant.

Who says such a thing? People who think the law doesn't apply to them. People who think they can break the law whenever they want.

People who think they're special.

Agenda? No. I'm retired, so I'm not interested in advancing any cause.
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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2017, 02:26:35 pm »
Ever rode the subway? Or Amtrak? The MARTA rail system in  Atlanta? The only one out of the three I just named that has a human element involved is Amtrak; If the drone system is autonomous, explain the difference to me  8)

The only free will involved is choosing to ride it, which train you choose, and where to get off...

With approximately 10 million vehicles on the road in America, I don't want to think about having that many Jetson cars zooming about...

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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2017, 05:21:05 pm »
AI can't be programmed to react to every situation unless it is programming itself through deep learning. Eventually it will have to make a choice to kill either the occupants of the car or people outside the car when an accident may become unavoidable. At some point AI will drive better than humans but you will never remove the potential for unexpected results arising from unexpected situations.
An unavoidable situation is not irresponsible driving.

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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2017, 07:03:06 pm »
AI can't be programmed to react to every situation unless it is programming itself through deep learning. Eventually it will have to make a choice to kill either the occupants of the car or people outside the car when an accident may become unavoidable. At some point AI will drive better than humans but you will never remove the potential for unexpected results arising from unexpected situations.

Exactly. That is the point I was going to bring up.

There was a discussion about this on news radio last week.

The hypothetical was you are driving along a hillside with a cliff on one side and a hill on the other.

A little girl wanders into the road and your vehicle has to decide between killing the little girl or driving you off the cliff.

The decision comes down to the programming in your car.

When buying one of these vehicles you have to ask the manufacturer whether it is programmed to save you or the pedestrians on the road.



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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2017, 05:03:49 am »
Ooh, that's a very good point.
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Re: Drone vehicles carrying people - Autonomous Aerial Vehicles
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2017, 10:21:35 am »
I quote you from above -

Who says such a thing? People who think the law doesn't apply to them. People who think they can break the law whenever they want.

People who think they're special.

Agenda? No. I'm retired, so I'm not interested in advancing any cause.

There's a difference between "laws" and Laws.  There are three Laws of Ethics.  "laws" (small "l") are acts, bills, codes, statutes, mandates, edicts, regulations, declarations, rules, ordinances, etc.  There are only three Laws.  They are the Laws of Ethics.  I do not consent to the legal system as it thwarts Ethics far more than serves them.  Did You know They're trying to make legal something They have already been doing?  Experimenting on Us without Our consent!  How unEthical is that???

No...  I am not "special."  I expect ALL of Us to choose Ethical behavior.
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