Its a while since I looked into Jerry Freemans story and his ref to Papoose Lake or seeing any lights / door open there during the night...
I do seem to recall reading it in some article and not just obtaining that from a video...(Other than G Knapps one that is referred to... there may had been another non G.K one also that claimed similar )
Its not always easy to find that past specific information.. unless saved on ones computer that is easy to find.. I may come across it at sometime.
IF Dan has obtained some other ref to this story... or there is a video that refers to it... does anyone have it that they can post.. I could not find any new video on "Alien Scientist" website
In ref to seeing the Photos of Jerry.... My thoughts on those pictures are that he is on the opposite side to where S4 is supposed to be.. ie I thought that he was on the West side of it looking back to the Eastern side and the Papoose Mountain range..
Did he manage to explore on the other side during day light ...I wonder ?
Bob claimed that the Door ways to S4 where the UFOs come out to the Papoose Desert DRY Lake where camoflaged to appear like covered in a type of sand appearance (painted or sprayed in a sand type texture) and that you could not tell they were there, unless you were very close up to them... and I would imagine that is very probable, that could be the case if S4 is there..
I recall in the James Bond film "Diamonds are Forever " you get to see an entrance to a type of tunnel that is hidden in the Desert that had a Cactus on it...(when two villain's Mr Wint / Mr Kidd take Bond to place in a underground pipeline... they initially drive Bond out of the tunnel that was connected and came out of one of the large Vegas hotels...( Bond had attempted to gain entrance to the hotels roof and visit to catch or kill Blofeld.. but he later got captured and knocked out and was sent down a lift for two villians to deal with him) ... The villians put him in the boot of a car...then seem to drive down quite a long tunnel that eventually came out into the desert somewhere near Las vegas). Back then there were fewer hotels and Vegas was quite a lot smaller than it is now with the Desert very close to the main City area..
As well as maybe Batmans Cave entrance is hard to see in the old series !
I think one of the difficult things.... is what other entrances at S4 may there have been ?...
I just happened to lucky to watch on TV last night ...the Program "Dreamland " that I have not seen for sometime... Parts of it I seem to recall seeing on some other program that I saw years ago that 1st made me aware of Bob Lazar / S4 / Area 51 and I think it was one of the most thought provoking programs that I had ever seen at that time.. and still is... whether its true or false !
As I think applies to many who are aware of the topic..
In the Dreamland program... Bob Makes ref to when he visited S4..
see from 9 mins 25 seconds..in the video link below..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=887&v=Se5x2D5-m_cHe then says that they drove along to the left side to the main entrance...
(without seeing a specific map like diagram... that's difficult to fully try to visualise) as was this main entrance more visible or was that also disguised ...
He says he went thru some gates and a security check ! and went inside something that was like a typical Govt building..
He says he had what was classed as Majestic Clearance.. in which there was only 22 people who had such a level...to be able to work on the Craft/s ! (which I /we assume are the ET Saucers)
He later refers again, a 2nd time that when visiting the installation that normally they would go to the left side of it to the main entrance... but on one occasion...when he arrived by Bus.. they went to the front of the hanger doors and he noticed one of them was open at door 9.. at the end
the video shows an animation of what he claimed to see... in which when he got off the bus and was led into the door nine entrance and into the open hanger area ... or as he looked thru the door... he could see the Saucer.. and later was able to walk into that area and actually touch it...in which he thought it seemed like a metalic material..as it felt cold or cool to him.
He describes later, when he was allowed to look into the inside of the Saucer disc...on a lower level he could see the gravity amplfiers .... then he was allowed to look through a small opening entrance to the higher level floor above...which no doubt is amazingly interesting to listen to what he describes..in terms of how small it appeared and that there was 3 small seats for what he assumed was for small beings ! (I only see 2 seats in the animation that are obvious to me, near some sort of small dome shaped thing..(Was this the reactor ? )... and why would they all be so close up to each other I wonder in the position that they are in...Just How small where these ETs ?
He says that he observed part of the crafts skin or area become transparent in which he thought that he could see outside it like looking thru a glass window..(maybe due to electrical or some sort of EMF technology that may have changed the materials matter structure...This may explain what A51 shows in his videos where we see whats seems like electrical activity taking place when 67 Sander was able to show in his photo / video analysis techniques) or that he was viewing a type of screen that allowed him to see outside the craft..
It was very interesting to rewatch that Dreamland Video to try and get another opinion on it after having since become more aware of the story over some years...
but for myself and my memory abilities etc on how I may interpret things...
Its hard to have recalled all the past research or recall in real detail..to be able to resite things in a very detailed way ... or in such a way that when watching the video again some years later....
to say that I could remember all that Bob had said...
so watching it again reminds me on certain things...BUT also....I am probably learning some new things that I just had not taken in very well... or good enough ....to be able to say that I could recall all that Bob explained in such detail..
Its something that you have to watch over and over again on and off for it to sink in if one wants to try to become more of an expert on the facts of the story... or to try and make other judgements on it.. There is such a lot of things / facts to recall about the whole story..
No doubt certain other questions may come to mind... and one may consider other possible views about it..
Listening to some of the other parts of the Dreamland video... in ref to others who claim to have either worked at Area 51 or who had seen / witnessed Saucers or worked on things to do with them.. was very interesting...
Bill Uhouses comments were very interesting....how he had been on contact with the Jarod Grey ET.. and been involved with it in creating a Human Saucer simulator !
Says maybe one of the 1st Saucer to go to Area 51 was from the Kingsmans crash (Jarod)that had been originally taken to a New Mexico base..maybe Kirkland ...
So was the Navy Physicists comments .. Dr Bruce Maccabee
Who was the mystery lady Radio operator who claimed to witness the Saucers. (26 mins)
Bob Oechsler who had worked as a Nasa mission specialist in robotics Scientist also had his own UFO encounter... that I have seen on some program at sometime... when I did not know he had worked for Nasa .... I think thats also a bit strange.... as if I recall he had quite a strange encounter ..or claimed to have had..
He later was chosen by the Pentagon to be involved in Cosmic Journey see 49 min 19 secs..
again maybe seen as rather strange !
There is other footage of the Saucers similar to what Bob/ John and A51 witnessed...
Has A51 and 67 Saunders looked analyse any of them in the same detail as their other research..
there was may craft showing flying around at the same time..somewhere in the video..
see 1 hr 16 mins.... seems to have been seen from Las Vegas in 1990..maybe looking toward Nellis
AFB...But why would they risk flying them that close to Vegas if they wanted to keep them secret
Bobs car reg was MJ12 ! thought that was also rather strange !
In the Video.... It refers to WHY did Bob, risk informing his family , friends / associates about the Wednesday night test flights ...
Fortunately for us and them...if had not we would never have got to know about his story and the facts behind it..
BUT if it was such a secret project / program...
You would think that they would have warned Bob severely about the secrecy behind it...
or did they just trust him and did not think that they would had need to...
or it that they suspected he would inform others, if they wanted it leaked out to the public..
but it did seems Bobs family and others / himself were severely threatened...
and if so... Bob had taken a real chance...to show John and others...
Actually Jerry states in his diary that he did see a light getting bigger then smaller at Papoose during the night so George is not lying.
Jerry does not state "there is no base there, no way".
He only crossed the southern edge of Papoose so he had no way of knowing.
Was there a base like Groom lake to be seen? Of course not. You would have to be within 40 yards of the hangars to see them.
Dan is getting all this from a new video alienscientist made 4 months ago.
He gets this way when he hangs around that guy too much.