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Title: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on November 15, 2011, 04:40:06 pm
NEW ELEMENTS NAMED: A LOOK BACK AT BOB LAZAR, & A MODEST PROPOSAL

November 14, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell

Some of the heavy trans-uranic elements have finally been named, and it’s good to know there’s a group out there that does the naming:

Three new elements named, including one for Copernicus

So there we have it: elements 110, 111, and 112, will be called Darmstadtium (after the city in Germany, Darmstadt, where it was first isolated and discovered), Roengenium, and Copernicum, respectively.

Darmstadt of course, figures heavily into the story of well-known UFO-seer, Bob Lazar. Lazar, in case you don’t know, touched off something of a controversy within the halls of UFOlogy, not entirely bereft of controversy themselves, when he came forward years ago to claim he had been part of a team back-engineering captured alien flying saucers at a super-secret research base in Area 51 at Papoose lake, an installation he calls “S-4?.  Lazar claimed to have worked at Los Alamos NAtional laboratories, being personally recruited by Dr. Edward Teller, before going to the super-secret project at S-4.

There at S-4,. Lazar claims to have encountered element 115, which was used to power the alien saucer he was helping to back engineer. According to a version of the story, he and friend John Lear actually managed to get possession of the element for a period of time of a few minutes. Then, in subsequent interviews, Lazar claimed to have been contacted by the high energy laboratory in Darmstadt to come work there, doubtless for his alleged experience working with the super-heavy elements.

While it is true that element 115 was in fact subsequently “officially” discovered at Darmstadt, and while it is true that these elements constitute an island of stability with relatively longer half lives than others, I remain intensely skeptical that the claim to have collected any sample of the material for a number of minutes is true, given the short half-lives of these elements.

But in any case, I have a suggestion for the committee that names elements, just for kicks: why not name it Lazarium, and element 116, Learium?

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/11/new-elements-named-a-look-back-at-bob-lazar-a-modest-proposal/ (http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/11/new-elements-named-a-look-back-at-bob-lazar-a-modest-proposal/)

Learium ... kinda has a nice ring to it IMO probably better than what they will really call it.  ;D
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Linda Brown on February 27, 2012, 09:12:36 am
Knowing the kinds of nasty detractors that some of his statements have drawn... it wouldn't surprise me if this new element was called   "Delearium."

Kisses John.....I am right with you... neither of us hiding under a blanket huh.

The main thing I would like answered is.... even against so much opposition ( and well thought out opposition too) why does the story that Bob Lazar tell continue to fascinate and draw people? Its a good bit like " The Philadelphia Experiment" story..... some are just not able to let it go.......my thought and personal answer to that is.... because somewhere deep down inside..... people recognize that there was SOMETHING actually valid there and it is worth the effort to search it out.

  Linda
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 27, 2012, 11:22:05 am
I must admit i'm not a big fan of Lazar, he's far too slick, has an answer for everything, & he charges money to go 'ufo spotting' with him, where he can lure people with long stories into buying his books.
 If i had been there, (s-4) i would be shouting it from rooftops, not selling it to a select group of 'believers' ;D

I think also that 'element 115' is not very stable, which begs the question; How did they keep it stable in the UFO?
Many heavy elements disintegrate in less than a second.
 That's a good one to ask Bob, if i see him ;)
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on February 29, 2012, 08:20:06 am
I must admit i'm not a big fan of Lazar, he's far too slick, has an answer for everything, & he charges money to go 'ufo spotting' with him, where he can lure people with long stories into buying his books.
 If i had been there, (s-4) i would be shouting it from rooftops, not selling it to a select group of 'believers' ;D

I think also that 'element 115' is not very stable, which begs the question; How did they keep it stable in the UFO?
Many heavy elements disintegrate in less than a second.
 That's a good one to ask Bob, if i see him ;)
In the elemental world, instability=massive energy potential
Hey PWM, and it sounds to me like a good candidate for a power source for our craft. If it decays so fast, wouldnt it need to be stabilized and released in increments, and how do they do that, I wonder?
It definitely would be a good candidate for our power supply of an EG drive system
so maybe someone will find that soon!
I always was a fan of John Lears over Lazar's and I find John is in it for the right reasons, while Lazar is surfing the fame wave.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zorgon on February 29, 2012, 12:19:40 pm
I must admit i'm not a big fan of Lazar, he's far too slick, has an answer for everything, & he charges money to go 'ufo spotting' with him, where he can lure people with long stories into buying his books.
 If i had been there, (s-4) i would be shouting it from rooftops, not selling it to a select group of 'believers'

Ummm really?  Where are these 'books' that Bob is selling? And these UFO spotting trips... how much is he charging and when was the last time he arranged such a tour?

It is all well and good to doubt the man's story, but would be nice if you got your facts right :D
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zorgon on February 29, 2012, 01:00:15 pm
The main thing I would like answered is.... even against so much opposition ( and well thought out opposition too) why does the story that Bob Lazar tell continue to fascinate and draw people?

Well for one thing it was Bob that put Area 51 on the public map... before his interview on Las Vegas TV it was only rumored...

I am more interested in why people like Stanton Friedman need to keep 'debunking' Bob Lazar :D Maybe Bob wouldn't be so popular anymore if guys like Stanton didn't keep mentioning him EVERYTIME they speak...it's like the old adage "He Doth Protest to much"

As to Ununpentium Bob described it's properties long before we created the first atoms of it in a lab. Is it possible that there is an isotope of 115 that is stable?  I don't know but I think it highly possible we don't know everything yet on this planet :D

Roswell happened in 1947  We still don't have the whole truth of that. Roswell, Bob's story, Holloman AFB meetings... these are the stories that are the icons of UFOlogy... without those we might as well say "There are no Aliens... "

Stanton Friedman claims that "Some UFO's are Alien spacecraft"  yet he has no more proof than Bob Lazar has... but HE has spent his life selling books and UFO tours :P and denouncing Bob everytime he opens his mouth.  Why does he have any more credibility?

Well some say "because he is a nuclear physicist". Yup he went to school, never got his Ph.D (though many still call him Dr. Friedman)  spent a couple years as consultant to government projects that all got canceled, and decided that talking about UFO's was more lucrative :D  (An that is from his own biography on his website, where he has a NEW 'Bash Bob' article on his front page

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Its a good bit like " The Philadelphia Experiment" story..... some are just not able to let it go.......my thought and personal answer to that is.... because somewhere deep down inside..... people recognize that there was SOMETHING actually valid there and it is worth the effort to search it out.

Well see... that is because new stuff keeps popping up, like th letter from Guy Cramer that says his grandfather worked on that project. So what to do? Call all these top insiders crazy as is the 'norm' in the UFO world? Where do we draw the line?

Either there really is SOMETHING as you say behind all these stories or its ALL hogwash and the whole UFOlogy scene is nothing

Dr Robert Wood (with Stanton Friedman) showed that the Majestic Documents were real, but most people still call hoax. Dr Robert Wood was head on McDonnel Douglas and worked on UFO tech.

Dr Edgar Mitchell - skeptics call him crazy because he says UFO's are real and he worked with the RV team of Hal Puthoff et all looking at Uri Geller and sending messages from the Moon via Telepathy

Robert Bigelow - self made millionaire has his own space station, a launch facility in Russia, and worked on Stealth satellites one in particular called MISTY. He also bought Skinwalker ranch, gave 4 million to UNLV for a paranormal study course and recently funded MUFON with one million. He is also tied to Hal Puthoff and the Aviary

The list goes on... so who do we believe? People always scream "Why don't the astronauts, the scientists, the engineers, etc every speak up?"  Well when they do, one by one they are shot down and skeptics say "They are nut cases... they are doddering old fools trying to get last minute glory... they are in it for the money.... etc"

So on it goes. There is more time spent debating whether so and so is telling the truth, telling us part of the truth, is a government disinfo agent, or is an outright liar and fraud.

It also seems that skeptics want to point to the 'He wrote a book and is just in it for the money"

Does anyone here know just how much 'money' you get from selling a book?  First the publisher needs to get paid, then you start making peanuts in royalties.... so unless you are popular enough to get a best seller, you make nothing.

A friend of mine in France did a really awesome book on dragons, the artwork is amazing alone... he has to sell 500 copies before he begins to see royalties. A speaking tour? Ask John about that... by the time you pay the expenses to get there, there is very little left. I went along on one such tour to the biggest UFO convention in the US... the Bay Area UFO Expo. We set up a table to sell a few CD's and pictures (The table was paid for by ATS... the thought being it might be good advertizing for ATS)

End result was we barely covered our expenses of the trip and we drove from Vegas. ATS then discovered there wasn't enough interest to do these trips.  Now if I had known I would have taken my mineral and crystal inventory along, because the 'healing gems' crowd really made bank :D


continued....
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zorgon on February 29, 2012, 01:34:13 pm
On Books...

I will defend ANYONE'S right and freedom to publish a book... So what if they do make some money? Do you work for free? Why should the fact that someone wants to write a book make there story any less valid?

Publish stuff 'for free' on the internet? Well its not free... the space costs money, like this forum and website... someone has to pay to maintain it and do the time and work to keep it going. But the minute I stop paying the bill, what happens? 30 days later it will all vanish in a puff of smoke and be gone forever savew for the snapshotes taken by the Wayback Machine archives. However they don't save forums

A book, on the other hand, is permanent. It survives the author and allows future generations to read the story... So people need to get over this nonsense that these whistle blowers need to do it for free because 'we have a right to know'

What I find really amusing is these same book bashers have no problem with debunkers like Jim Oberg and Phil Plait selling books and doing speaking tours, or getting paid to debunk by NBC (Jim) or Discovery Channel (Phil) to debunk the whistle blowers. Why is that? Sounds like a double standard. These debunkers make a good living off the stories of the whistle blowers, but people only cry 'foul' on the one side

Personally I consider those people that are against these guys making a few bucks on their life story in the same vein as NAZI book burners... and I have a good mind to delete any comments against books :P

Everyone chooses which story teller they want to believe. At the moment, since Roswell, we do not have ONE piece of solid proof that everyone will accept on any of it.

Steven Greer... Disclosure Project... great intentions and a lot of top people with credentials stating they will "Testify before Congress..."

11 years later... nothing... Congress DOESN'T CARE... it needs a whole lot more to make Congress listen... so Greer went after the money from believers...

Why don't these guys say "Screw Congress...." and tell us the story with the proof they claim to have?

John says these guys all get what he calls "UFO disease"  That is where as time goes on, the one good, likely real story that the whistle blowers start out with, eventually becomes old news, ans a fickle stupid public demands MORE, and if their favorite whistle blower cannot provide more, or give an opinion on the latest UFO story on the net, they soon get forgotten

"We the people.." are our own worst enemies. We demand they come forward... then call them crazy when they do.... We listen to their story... then expect them to know everything

UFO disease comes in when they give in to the audience and tell them what they WANT to hear. Very few like John will say "I don't know" ;)

Bob's story sticks because he had only one story... tells the same story and then left the UFO circuit years ago. Not sure where Playswithmachines got his information from :D  but that is how the story gets distorted over time... when people make statements as facts and they are taken as real... because very few people EVER take the time to verify anything

Bill Uhouse had only one story... stuck to that and very few people have even heard of him.  In his last few years he added a little for the interviewer but it was easy to tell he was just giving them what they wanted. But his one story was clear and detailed and never changed.  To bad he didn't 'go for the fame' because his story is fantastic. (And it backs what Bob told us)

Dan Burisch is considered a lunatic by many.... but his story also backs what Bob says (I will do a thread in Insiders on Dan Shortly) Is Dan crazy? Maybe... or maybe its an act :D But Dan also tells us about MJ 12 and S4 (in great detail) and he talked about the 'Looking Glass" project. In fact it was Dan who led me to the documents from Los Alamos National Labs.  So he may be crazy, BUT at least he led me to real data... which is something I cannot say of any skeptic :P

Dan also spoke of experiments on Ferenchman's Mountain here in Las Vegas (behind John's house) to attempt to open a natural portal. This attempt had some results... the glow was seen via satellite from space... and in the AF Teleportation study these 'natural' gateways are mentioned and studied.  Odd thisng is, once again in THIS case, Hal Puthoff is there

But then I turn on History Channel and find THEY are paying people like Nassim Haramein to talk about Stargates using known fake artifacts as proof...

So when it comes down to it, you have to do your own leg work to follow the trails to truth. If a story is false, you will see endless clones of the same story on the web that lead to a dead end. But when the trail leads to many other clues and lands you at the doors to military and government sites... then I perk up and listen

Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zerocd on February 29, 2012, 03:14:28 pm
In the elemental world, instability=massive energy potential
Hey PWM, and it sounds to me like a good candidate for a power source for our craft. If it decays so fast, wouldnt it need to be stabilized and released in increments, and how do they do that, I wonder?
It definitely would be a good candidate for our power supply of an EG drive system
so maybe someone will find that soon!
I always was a fan of John Lears over Lazar's and I find John is in it for the right reasons, while Lazar is surfing the fame wave.
Cheers!
Littleenki

I have been following for some time Littleenki. In my own opinion, I find that Bob Lazar's story rings true.

I have seen most of the stuff posted at the alienscientists forum and Edgar Fouche's detractor fan club and the "debunkers" do not ring true for me although some of them seem like reasonable guys otherwise.

One thing on your comment I cannot understand and I'm hoping you will elaborate.

Can you explain "while Lazar is surfing the fame wave"?

The way I see it, Bob wishes he kept his mouth shut way back when and has distanced himself as much as possible so he can get on with his life and business.

Thanks in advance,

0CD
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on February 29, 2012, 07:06:41 pm
I have been following for some time Littleenki. In my own opinion, I find that Bob Lazar's story rings true.

I have seen most of the stuff posted at the alienscientists forum and Edgar Fouche's detractor fan club and the "debunkers" do not ring true for me although some of them seem like reasonable guys otherwise.

One thing on your comment I cannot understand and I'm hoping you will elaborate.

Can you explain "while Lazar is surfing the fame wave"?

The way I see it, Bob wishes he kept his mouth shut way back when and has distanced himself as much as possible so he can get on with his life and business.

Thanks in advance,

0CD
Hey, ocd, I should have said WAS riding the fame wave, sorry for the mixup.
The comment was due to my researching Lazar versus Lear in a few places, and found John to be more sparing with his media exposure, while I remember seeing a lot of stuff about Lazar and his book, and lectures.
Now since then, you are right, he has tapered it down, so I have to temper my statement with that in mind. I guess I just felt more in tune with John's personality and low key manner, and found Lazar to be a bit too quick sometimes. I do like Bob and his many stories, though, and really enjoy reading the words of both!
Personal opinion, and thanks for asking, ocd, thats what were here for, to learn the ideas, and approaches of others.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Amaterasu on February 29, 2012, 07:43:59 pm
On Books...

    ...

    But then I turn on History Channel and find THEY are paying people like Nassim Haramein to talk about Stargates using known fake artifacts as proof...


I gave You gold for this - despite the comment about My heartthrob, Nassim.  [grin]  Question:  Are those "recently released objects" We're looking at in that film in another thread proven fake?

I had not read anywhere that Nassim was promoting fakes.  Guess I'll have to dig.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 01, 2012, 01:00:52 pm
Hi Zargon,

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Ummm really?  Where are these 'books' that Bob is selling? And these UFO spotting trips... how much is he charging and when was the last time he arranged such a tour?

I will put it another way;
These are things i have heard & read about, much as you or i am reading this. right now.
 OK it'second hand info at best, so no, i can't be sure.

I didn't say i hate him or he's a scam artist (not in so many words)so i will merely say "í'm not his greatest fan"

Now i haven't even read John Lear's pages yet, but i will, and do so with an entirely open mind, as always.
 No offence John, i just want to read & correlate facts here.
 I could believe Bob Lazar, too, if he gave me something more to chew on, as it were.
 Maybe John Lear will provide me with something i can use, and i hope he will :) I look forward to reading all his forums.

Believe me, there's nothing i like more than a good debate, but i must limit myself to hard facts at this time, if we survive 2012 and the coming years, i look forward with great anticipation to our coming discussions over life, the universe etc.

 I will not jeapordise this, so i let you know how i stand, i am sometimes brutally honest (that can be annoying sometimes). For now, i will just say:
 Ï'm not a big fan of Bob Lazar.
Is that acceptable?
Luke

Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Linda Brown on March 01, 2012, 02:39:54 pm
Luke,

I would get back to your PM but am blocked. Try again? or tell me how else to get my message to you? Linda

Lets hope it was actually you. If it wasn't.... oh well.... I was prevented from answering.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: johnlear on March 03, 2012, 12:59:31 am



Littleenki:

2 very simple questions:

What is the name of Bob Lazar's book?

What was the approximate date of his last lecture?

Thanks
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: johnlear on March 03, 2012, 10:10:30 pm
SECOND REQUEST!!!


Littleenki you are answering other posts, plesse answer this one:

2 very simple questions:

What is the name of Bob Lazar's book?

What was the approximate date of his last lecture?

Thanks
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: johnlear on March 03, 2012, 10:43:00 pm
I must admit i'm not a big fan of Lazar, he's far too slick, has an answer for everything, & he charges money to go 'ufo spotting' with him, where he can lure people with long stories into buying his books.

Please let me know when and where Bob ever charged anybody to  go ufo spotting with him?

Also I would like to know what the name of Bob's book? I've have known Bob for 25 years and I must have missed that one. Maybe he forgot to tell me.

And finally who did he 'lure' with his long stories?



I think also that 'element 115' is not very stable, which begs the question; How did they keep it stable in the UFO?
Many heavy elements disintegrate in less than a second.
 That's a good one to ask Bob, if i see him ;)

I don't know where you are getting your information PLAYSWTHMACHINES but everything you have said about Bob is dead wrong.

One 233 gram arrowhead shaped sliver runs the ship for 200 years.

I participated in an experiment with Bob and Joe Vanninitti where we took a large bell jar and suspended a Coleman lantern mantle which has Thorium in it, from the top of the bell jar about 6 inches. We then put dry ice in the bottom of the jar and put the Element 115 on top of the dry ice.

We then put the bell jar over the dry ice and waited for the fog to form. When it formed we could see the traces/tracks of alpha rays  being drawn into the piece of Element 115. This was to prove is attractive properties.

We video taped the experiment so you can ask George Knapp for the video. He was the last one to have it.

Element 115 does not decay in a second because it is in the island of stability. The alleged element 115 that was produced by the government labs did not have the isotopes that the real 115 had. If you were to actually try and make 115 it would take hundreds of years to make 233 grams of it.

I really don't care whether your a fan of Bob's or not but at least you could get your facts straight.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 04, 2012, 05:29:02 am

Littleenki:

2 very simple questions:

What is the name of Bob Lazar's book?

What was the approximate date of his last lecture?

Thanks
Hi, John, and I dont know what the book was called if he wrote one at all, and I read of it, and his "lectures" in an article in Scientific American. Boy, that was a long time ago!
I never actually saw or read any book by Bob, and was thinking more on the lines of why they mentioned a book, but I couldnt find it or buy it. It seems many around Bob may have helped with the disinformation, as well.
As far as lectures go, Ive seen a lot of videos, and supposed interviews, but I cant remember any actual Lecture, and it was probably more of a workshop, or informal roundtable meeting I read about happening several times in his past.
Actually I hadnt even thought about Bob for years, until I came here, so I promise to brush up on his history fully, before posting any more thoughts or ideas on the matter.

I DO respect his work, and legacy, and dont think he was ever lying at all.

Men like you and he, are hard to find these days, and are getting more scarce by the day.
Thanks for the reply, and have a nice weekend!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 04, 2012, 11:10:09 pm
Moved to Nassim Haramein. Stargate Artifacts. Sun Stargate. 2011
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=309.msg8583#msg8583

To keep it from changing topic about Bob  My bad  I started it :P
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zorgon on March 04, 2012, 11:59:59 pm
For now, i will just say:
 Ï'm not a big fan of Bob Lazar.
Is that acceptable?
Luke

Sure... no one expects anyone to believe everything and everyone :D... But second hand opinions based on third hand blogs repeated as facts to people who know different...

Well surely you can see that serves no one ;)
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Pimander on March 05, 2012, 06:57:42 am
PLAYSWITHMACHINES HAS BEEN A VICTIM OF THE MACHINE.  Check your "facts" is my advice because you'll get nowhere without them.

I could add some material that helps to illustrate the low level some pathetic some of the attempts to discredit Bob Lazar and John Lear have been.  I have a little catching up to do first but will get my thinking cap on.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 06, 2012, 02:58:11 am
Dude, i've been a victim of everything life can throw at you ;) and if i was religious, i would praise god i'm still alive.
 I'm not out to discredit anyone. If you read my last post, i said i approach everything with an open mind.
I just need facts.
 So let's get back to this element 115.
Does it exist in a stable form?
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 06, 2012, 03:08:37 am
Johnlear:
               I take it, it's none of these, then;
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It is placed as the heaviest member of group 15 (VA) although a sufficiently stable isotope is not known at this time that would allow chemical experiments to confirm its position as a heavier homologue to bismuth. It was first observed in 2003 and about 50 atoms of ununpentium have been synthesized to date, with about 25 direct decays of the parent element having been detected. Four consecutive isotopes are currently known, 287–290Uup, with 289Uup having the longest measured half-life of ~200 ms.

I happen to belive that direct mass to energy conversion is possible, but i need more facts on this one...
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: johnlear on March 06, 2012, 07:53:26 pm
Johnlear:
               I take it, it's none of these, then;
I happen to belive that direct mass to energy conversion is possible, but i need more facts on this one...

So:

I saw it

I held it my hands

I witnessed it attract Alpha particles

is not fact?
 
Or is not enouogh fact for you?
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 07, 2012, 05:31:49 am
Ah, because of the Thorium, right?
 And you saw the tracks of the particles because of the dry ice, going into the piece of 115?
I just want to be sure i'm on the right track here.
 No offense, i just need to check everything, call me fussy...
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 08, 2012, 05:26:30 am
OK, let's skip the element 115 for now.
 I would like to ask you something about the drive itself.

 Did both you & Bob get the impression that the craft used a repulsive type gravity wave (beam, whatever) that went through the bottom of the ship, or do you think it might possibly have been an attractive type wave that actually went up through the central column of the craft?

I'm assuming, for now, that the 3 amplifiers underneath may have served in some control & stability function,apart of the 'antigravity' phenomenon itself.

Also, was there any indication of a high voltage, such as corona discharge or ozone when the craft was airbourne?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Pimander on March 08, 2012, 09:17:25 am
I have seen a non-conventional craft at fairly close range.  There was an atmosphere like that found near very high voltages such as electricity sub-stations.

The only noise from the hovering craft was a hissing sound which may possibility have been as it was re-orienting itself as it was rotating and changing its orientation but remaining in the same position.   The craft had different coloured lights on it but was not disk shaped but more like one of the shapes below, I think the triangular one.  However, I have vague thoughts that it might have been square.

(http://schools.coventryschools.net/oh/Curriculum/em_glossary_files/image058.jpg)

I suffered a loss of memory of what happened at the point when I was closest to the craft, possibly due to the powerful EM field.

The encounter was not imaginary or an hallucination.  Two other people were present and we were discussing the craft as we approached it and briefly after the encounter.  I cannot remember how the craft left the scene but remember the three of us walking away from where it was quite calmly.  I cannot understand why we were so calm about what you would think was such a massively life changing event. :o

Now you may all understand why it infuriates me so much when I see idiots who just deny without thinking.  I am a "responsible" adult with no reason to reveal this and potentially subject myself to ridicule.  The craft ARE REAL.  FACT!


Apologies for the side-track, but for those interested in alternative propulsion, there are clues in my encounter.  Not many people have been as close as I have to one of these things hovering.  If only cellphones with cameras were around then.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 08, 2012, 01:08:41 pm
Pimander; Don't worry, i'm on your side, i believe your story.
 Even though i have personally never seen a UFO or an ET, i believe they exist.
I believe they've got all kinds of s**t stashed away at Dreamland, that we couldn't ever dream of, that's why they called it Dreamland...

I believe this because i have reasoned it to be possible.
And what is even remotely possible, IMO has already been done.

Please believe me, i'm NOT a 'debunker', i'm an engineer :o and i am trying hard to validate these claims, not disprove them!

I AM doing all kinds of antigrav research, enough to start publishing all of it right here on Pegasus, and my questions above ARE serious & relevant.
Hence the 'static hiss' phenomena, your statement above confirms a lot of things that lead me to believe you.
 I'm not one to shout 'evidence or it didn't happen'--your statement contained some evidence, you see?

P.S. that 'calmness' could easily have been induced by modulating the EM field.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Pimander on March 08, 2012, 08:14:19 pm
Please believe me, i'm NOT a 'debunker', i'm an engineer :o and i am trying hard to validate these claims, not disprove them!
I have a good idea where you're coming from and wasn't implying you were an unthinking denier.  I don't post on every thread I read. ;)


P.S. that 'calmness' could easily have been induced by modulating the EM field.
Indeed.  With that strength of field, the effects could be literally mind boggling.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 08, 2012, 08:38:15 pm
I have a good idea where you're coming from and wasn't implying you were an unthinking denier.  I don't post on every thread I read. ;)

Indeed.  With that strength of field, the effects could be literally mind boggling.
Mind frying, too, Pimander!
What a cool sighting, and I wish everyone would see what we have seen, albeit only once for me.
Mine was in the north atlantic on the USS America, and it flew around the ship and made no sound whatsoever. It went around the stern and back up the other side until disappearing into the dark. I remember thinking"I should be freaking out!" but I was calm and collected for some reason, and never told anyone til recently.

All of this is about the mind, and it's magical methods, and until we combine the right part of our minds, with the technical part of the work, we will be in that same old stable, as Arc pointed out earlier on another thread.
Make new thoughts, and they will be your future. Use your mind to be AWARE of your surroundings, and to let them know your not a pushover, either.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 08, 2012, 09:25:51 pm
Pimander,

Can I ask where you witnessed the craft ?

Have you made any other posts / Thread about your experience.
If not maybe just add a few more details about the basics of your siting on this thread.


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"I have seen a non-conventional craft at fairly close range.  There was an atmosphere like that found near very high voltages such as electricity sub-stations."
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 08, 2012, 09:50:04 pm
So far I am only aware of a few theories as to how UFOs are claimed to lift
in terms  from the main sort of stories that we read about.

Bob Lazars theories being the main one..

Ed Fouche talked about some of the technical theories of how he believes the Flying Triangles lift / hover..

I wonder if you had been aware of his theory..

I will have to rewatch the video to recall exactly what he said..
but I seem to remember him suggesting that some sort of very  high powered motor r maybe rotating at  over 50,000 RPM having some effect on
a plasma...

oh, I just found this link to his Alien scientist website.

http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?77-TR-3B-Plasma-Torus-Anti-Gravity-Centrifuge-Engine

I don't know much about Ed Fouche but I was informed by a respected source that he is a fraud..But somethings that he has mentioned have been
considered by others in the field as maybe having some validity.

---------------------------------------------------

"Please believe me, i'm NOT a 'debunker', i'm an engineer :o and i am trying hard to validate these claims, not disprove them!"

"I AM doing all kinds of antigrav research, "
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 08, 2012, 10:14:47 pm
On the Alien scientist link

there is an excellent video that explains about a antigravity centrifuge engine..and how it may work..Seems Highly technical to me.
But I really do wonder if that sort of thing may work !

TR-3B Plasma Torus Anti-Gravity Centrifuge Engine

http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?77-TR-3B-Plasma-Torus-Anti-Gravity-Centrifuge-Engine

Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 08, 2012, 10:48:25 pm
This is the basis of how the engine works from the Words of Ed Fouche.

Theres a central accelerator ring that rotates a mercury based plasma
supercooled .... to 150 kelvin  ( Minus 123 degrees celsius ( -123 degree c ) ) and pressurised to 200 atmospheres  ( 2939 pounds per square inch ( 2939 psi) and Rotated at 60,000 Revoltions per minute (60K RPM)

That seems incredibly fast to me,  If I recall many average industrial motors range between 1000 to 3000 rpm .. some smaller diameter tools 10 K RPM to 30K RPM but I believe much higher RPMs are possible...Just how High I don't know..
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 09, 2012, 06:21:51 am
Alienscientist is a good source, his theories are good, his explanations make sense.
The mercury based plasma idea has some immense technical difficulties.....
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Pimander on March 09, 2012, 06:44:19 am
I AM doing all kinds of antigrav research, enough to start publishing all of it right here on Pegasus, and my questions above ARE serious & relevant.
Hence the 'static hiss' phenomena, your statement above confirms a lot of things that lead me to believe you.
 I'm not one to shout 'evidence or it didn't happen'--your statement contained some evidence, you see?
Regarding the relationship between alternative propulsion and EM, I am baffled by the geometry of the craft.  I can't think why that form would mean hovering was so apparently easy.

I know what you mean about the evidence in the statement.  There are certain things I look for in a legitimate close range encounter although they are less valid when the craft are seen at a distance.

It is possible to build these craft, however, the power source is at the root of the problem.  If high energy EM fields are required then you need a very efficient power source, which brings us back to the topic of this thread - isotopes that allow a incredibly efficient energy output over long time periods.

Have you seen the reports of craft with spheres that fly outside the craft?  Could they be an energy source that is dangerous to living beings?  Are the craft that are manned/humanoided powered by an energy source detached from the craft to protect the occupants?  Unmanned/unhumanoided probes would not need the external power source in this "hypothetical" set up.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 09, 2012, 12:05:19 pm
The shapes you showed above are not your typical UFO, that's for sure, and in the case of electrogravitic drives, sharp corners are a definite no-no.

This leads me to believe that whatever you saw was using a much more advanced drive, and any static em field was more of a side effect.

Quote
Have you seen the reports of craft with spheres that fly outside the craft?  Could they be an energy source that is dangerous to living beings?  Are the craft that are manned/humanoided powered by an energy source detached from the craft to protect the occupants?  Unmanned/unhumanoided probes would not need the external power source in this "hypothetical" set up.

My own belief is that the small spheres are just drones, and that they all have self contained power (one of my messages for the future is that every machine will have it's own power source built in) and that such things would normally not be harmful.
 There are numerous reports of burns etc, i believe this is another type of drive which produces excess microwaves etc, a la Skyvault, DeAquino etc (earth-based UFO tech)
 The whole element 115 thing i will take one step at a time, first i want to be certain that a stable version exists outside of the 'islands of stability' that range from 2 milliseconds to 27 hours.
 In any case, all specimens of 115 should carry a 'use by' date, methinks ;)
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 09, 2012, 12:17:14 pm
I do have some unusual element names on my list;

Costalotium: Used in Lawyer's printer ink.

Unobtanium: Used in japanese motorcycle parts, and

Crappite: used for the handles of cheap screwdrivers.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on March 10, 2012, 02:22:20 pm
So far I am only aware of a few theories as to how UFOs are claimed to lift
in terms  from the main sort of stories that we read about.

Bob Lazars theories being the main one..

Ed Fouche talked about some of the technical theories of how he believes the Flying Triangles lift / hover..

I wonder if you had been aware of his theory..

I will have to rewatch the video to recall exactly what he said..
but I seem to remember him suggesting that some sort of very  high powered motor r maybe rotating at  over 50,000 RPM having some effect on
a plasma...

oh, I just found this link to his Alien scientist website.

http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?77-TR-3B-Plasma-Torus-Anti-Gravity-Centrifuge-Engine

I don't know much about Ed Fouche but I was informed by a respected source that he is a fraud..But somethings that he has mentioned have been
considered by others in the field as maybe having some validity.

---------------------------------------------------

"Please believe me, i'm NOT a 'debunker', i'm an engineer :o and i am trying hard to validate these claims, not disprove them!"

"I AM doing all kinds of antigrav research, "

His claim is that that it also flies using ROCKET propulsion that is totally silent. I would LOVE to see even 1 example of a rocket that pruduces that much thrust and does not make a sound. I would also like to see how super-cooled mercury, even under pressure remains a liquid, since mercury freezes @ -38F. Most of the available pictures of the TR3B are tagged Fouche Media which seems suspicious in my mind as well.

If the TR3B exists, he couldn't convince me of it on OMF where I vehemently debated him for days on end only to have a majority of my questions dodged when I picked holes in his stories and presentations full of errors. I just wish I could have saved a lot of those posts before OMF went the way of the Dodo. One nice thing about John & Zorgon is that so much of their info can easily be corroborated and they are consistent in their stories. I only find more and more truths unlocking researching their stuff.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 11, 2012, 01:44:19 pm
Elerium; I have to agree there :) especially about the Mercury, and the very word Plasma means hot (ionised) gas, so which is it, hot or cold?
 But at the same time, i think there are several ways of producing 'antigravity' just as there are several ways of generating electricity.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on March 12, 2012, 09:02:33 am
Elerium; I have to agree there :) especially about the Mercury, and the very word Plasma means hot (ionised) gas, so which is it, hot or cold?
 But at the same time, i think there are several ways of producing 'antigravity' just as there are several ways of generating electricity.

Absolutely, there are many different ways. It makes little sense why you would take one of the most toxic, and dense liquids which would have added "X" thousands of pounds to the machine only to to use this to try and lighten it? If the MFD even had a microscopic pinhole in it, it would result in a miraculous disaster. I also want to know what they would have made the ceterfuge with since Mercury and Aluminum are incompatable, it would have had to been lined with some sort of super-hardened liner. You would then need a monstrous power source to spin this up somehow. There are just so many elements to the story that don't add up in my mind when there is other technology that could do the job, cut down the weight and is a lot more safe to work with. Just my 2 cents.
 
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 12, 2012, 09:19:21 am
Absolutely, there are many different ways. It makes little sense why you would take one of the most toxic, and dense liquids which would have added "X" thousands of pounds to the machine only to to use this to try and lighten it? If the MFD even had a microscopic pinhole in it, it would result in a miraculous disaster. I also want to know what they would have made the ceterfuge with since Mercury and Aluminum are incompatable, it would have had to been lined with some sort of super-hardened liner. You would then need a monstrous power source to spin this up somehow. There are just so many elements to the story that don't add up in my mind when there is other technology that could do the job, cut down the weight and is a lot more safe to work with. Just my 2 cents.
Right you are Ellirium, and mercury is a nasty metal to tangle with.
However, if it is in what is known as ORME , we see a spin state that not only negates it own weight, but causes a magnetic effect to take place. It was how the Indian "gods" powered there vimanas, and it was how many ancient alchemists made names for themselves, before ultimately succumbing to its deadly effects.
Not many folks who work frequently with mercury get to see results, as it is best to leave it alone, unless you are very very qualified to do so.
We havent found the key to unlocking it's potential anti-gravity applications or magnetic use, but it seemed a lot of our ancestors had, and why would they have it laying around killing people, if it wasnt worth the risk?
Ill let you guys work with it, though, as i prefer to hear about mercury, rather than experience it first hand. ;D
LE
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on March 12, 2012, 10:19:08 am
You don't need all that to create an orgone propulsion system, Marko Rodin demonstrated this with his Rodin Coil:

Here is a good example that demonstrates the strength of the field generated by this type of coil...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWLgffhu0CM[/youtube]
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 12, 2012, 10:38:41 am
Hey, that's a naudin idea, too...LOL! been there built that, but what does it have to do with mercury in an orme state?
Unless it's the back emf from the collapse of the field, or the levitating pressure on the fields that excites the coil, lighting the leds, whats it do different from a naudin generator(aside from the parts and circuit?)
I dont follow, but I can be quite dense, sometimes!
Cheers!
LE
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on March 12, 2012, 11:24:29 am
Quote
Hey, that's a naudin idea, too...LOL! been there built that, but what does it have to do with mercury in an orme state?

I am not sure what exactly that is, I have seen video of this coil only producing a magnetic vortex through the center of the coil in 1 direction essentially it only has 1 magnetic pole from what my limited knowledge can tell. I can't seem to find the video of him demostrating this since he has changed his website and most of those are now gone. The videos of him discussing the math behind it all are still on youtube though....lengthy and a bit hard to digest but interesting none the less.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 12, 2012, 11:35:54 am
Hi Ellirium 113,

Thank you for your explanation about your experiences with Ed Fouche
and his claims...unfortunately I missed your debate with him on OMF..
I would have liked to have seen it...

I am not knowledgeable enough in that highly technical subject to be
able to analyzse the finer details to try and determine if what he suggests could be valid or not.

It seemed to may have had  possibilities behind some of the theories..but this would probably convince most who do not know
high level science of which that will be few...

Off course there is always possibly things even high level Scientists do not understand or overlook...hence our need to continue to try and
investigate further if something else is discovered at a later time.

--------------------------------------------------------------
His claim is that that it also flies using ROCKET propulsion that is totally silent. I would LOVE to see even 1 example of a rocket that pruduces that much thrust and does not make a sound. I would also like to see how super-cooled mercury, even under pressure remains a liquid, since mercury freezes @ -38F. Most of the available pictures of the TR3B are tagged Fouche Media which seems suspicious in my mind as well.

If the TR3B exists, he couldn't convince me of it on OMF where I vehemently debated him for days on end only to have a majority of my questions dodged when I picked holes in his stories and presentations full of errors. I just wish I could have saved a lot of those posts before OMF went the way of the Dodo. One nice thing about John & Zorgon is that so much of their info can easily be corroborated and they are consistent in their stories. I only find more and more truths unlocking researching their stuff.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 12, 2012, 02:03:04 pm
I am not sure what exactly that is, I have seen video of this coil only producing a magnetic vortex through the center of the coil in 1 direction essentially it only has 1 magnetic pole from what my limited knowledge can tell. I can't seem to find the video of him demostrating this since he has changed his website and most of those are now gone. The videos of him discussing the math behind it all are still on youtube though....lengthy and a bit hard to digest but interesting none the less.

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter381/orme.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm

As for the the generator design, it seems like a great project for a newbie with little investment. 150 bucks if that for everything except the oscope, and fluke, which I would hope we all have already.A signal generator and power supply can be made from an old laptop, so that's easy enough, and the only big expense would be the mosfet, or igbt (whatever it is there) and a few caps, and resistors.
Above link is a short history of ORME from a neutral standpoint, but no one has found out how to truly create it yet, although it is mentioned in some ancient texts. I was thinking how it may be the link to making an EG device have the kick it needs to be useful, but it's hard to understand something that is so elusive(ORME)Ive read up on it nevertheless, and youll find it very interesting. Also read the parts of the Mahabarata about the vimanas, and youll see the importance of mercury, and ORME gold, which is purported to be the element to end all elements for energy creation in the universe.
It's a bit of myth with a splash of reality, the Mahabarata, and one of the most indicative writings to show there were advanced societies well before ours.
Cheers!
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on March 12, 2012, 03:04:42 pm
Quote
I am not knowledgeable enough in that highly technical subject to be
able to analyzse the finer details to try and determine if what he suggests could be valid or not.


It wasn't overly difficult, considering his information from one presentation to the next had conflicting and different information, some to the point he even contradicts himself and gets some of his pictures mis-identified. If you read his transcript of his presentation on Alien Scientist website and then compare it to others of his on other sites this will become apparent very quickly. I had argued that it should be the utmost importance to remain consistent in the information one is presenting. It is hard to take the information at face value when it varies from site to site from the same author.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 12, 2012, 04:31:00 pm
The IGBT is a big, fat transistor :D

http://www.mediafire.com/?ab8wdmr91ea74ha (http://www.mediafire.com/?ab8wdmr91ea74ha)

I have quite a few of them 8)

I agree with Ellirium, it's not the safest way to travel ;D

Magnetics are a whole new ball game, and introduce all kinds of problems, i think there's an easier way....
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 12, 2012, 09:03:26 pm
The IGBT is a big, fat transistor :D

http://www.mediafire.com/?ab8wdmr91ea74ha (http://www.mediafire.com/?ab8wdmr91ea74ha)

I have quite a few of them 8)

I agree with Ellirium, it's not the safest way to travel ;D

Magnetics are a whole new ball game, and introduce all kinds of problems, i think there's an easier way....
Me likey some igbt'sLOL!
although i miss letting the smoke out of a forty dollar mosfet!
I agree, there is a link here maybe between technologies(magnetic, and others)that can be found, or even created. I cant imagine a world with free energy yet, but if the word gets out, and we share results, someone's gonna pop it, Im sure!
I will probably wait for a bit more solid results, before I share my ideas too much, not for secrecy, but so noone gets hurt trying to recreate the experiments them selves.
Have transistors will travel!
LE
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on March 12, 2012, 09:52:28 pm
Ellirium113, thanks for your reply...

I will take your word for what you say about what Ed Fouche said...I have read elsewhere that he often gets his facts mixed up or is not consistent.

Looks like this thread has the Clever techy members (E113, Littleenki and PWMs) who know about Electricity, Magetism, and EMFs.....hang out.

All clever fascinating stuff which maybe in the research of how Saucers may fly..Never thought that I would end up wishing that I would had studied that stuff in more detail some years ago, in my new interest (if its proven that  Saucers really here for real ) and wanting to know what makes them fly !....

If I new with 100% certain, that they are for real..which I am hoping that will be proven to us all...then this is no doubt one amazing subject to study in detail.

If proven..Next huge topic will be wanting to know how they travel into Space and distances along what Bob suggested....
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 13, 2012, 02:54:22 pm
Ellirium113, thanks for your reply...

I will take your word for what you say about what Ed Fouche said...I have read elsewhere that he often gets his facts mixed up or is not consistent.

Looks like this thread has the Clever techy members (E113, Littleenki and PWMs) who know about Electricity, Magetism, and EMFs.....hang out.

All clever fascinating stuff which maybe in the research of how Saucers may fly..Never thought that I would end up wishing that I would had studied that stuff in more detail some years ago, in my new interest (if its proven that  Saucers really here for real ) and wanting to know what makes them fly !....

If I new with 100% certain, that they are for real..which I am hoping that will be proven to us all...then this is no doubt one amazing subject to study in detail.

If proven..Next huge topic will be wanting to know how they travel into Space and distances along what Bob suggested....
You are as clever as the rest of us, and someday a team will require the skills of many, and the ship we'll sail on needs a diverse crew.
Offering any form of help here is sure to be a giver of good karma in the context of a lifetime, and sharing our booboos and happy days, should prove to be exhilirating at the least.
Your humbleness shows a willing and able person inside of you that will show you the way to your success. Dont forget to temper any technical thoughts with images in your mind of nature, and beautiful landscapes, as this method balances the minds energy.

 I like to think of an electronic circuit as a garden, and the components are the plants.
Once you know the purpose of the specific plants, and their favorite place to be located in the garden(circuit) you can imagine your ideas in complete serenity, and peace, and that's how Im training myself to think.
Laying out electronic gardens while enjoying a sunny day on the beach is a great thinking atmosphere, and my best ideas have come while swimming in the pool.

If your not a technical guy, you certainly can be an important part of any technical team, by learning the correlations between nature, and technology.
Think of a tree as a computer, or buffer for one, and how you would use it in a system, that is a hybrid of the two, electronics and living tissue.
OK for now dont want to get too deep, oops just did;)



PWM still has the coolest shop though,;), and mine looks like a tornado hit a tv factory, too! LOL!!!!!!
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on March 14, 2012, 04:46:43 am
Thanks  ;D

You guys do set me thinking.
I shouldn't criticise Bob Lazar, people have been calling me nuts for years...
 A few even called me a 'scam artist'  :o  but i NEVER ask anyone for anything, i fund everything myself, so who am i scamming ???
 I think i know how Bob feels.
 I will criticise any 'scientific proof' that cannot be proven, either by direct observation, or math, or both. When i say math, i mean understandable basic calculations, not the awful theoretical crap they spout at MIT(they don't even stick to SI units, and rarely use dimensional analysis). :-[
Assuming that a theory is correct has no basis without some kind of empirical proof.
 There, i've just pontificated ::)
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on March 14, 2012, 05:49:48 am
Thanks  ;D

You guys do set me thinking.
I shouldn't criticise Bob Lazar, people have been calling me nuts for years...
 A few even called me a 'scam artist'  :o  but i NEVER ask anyone for anything, i fund everything myself, so who am i scamming ???
 I think i know how Bob feels.
 I will criticise any 'scientific proof' that cannot be proven, either by direct observation, or math, or both. When i say math, i mean understandable basic calculations, not the awful theoretical crap they spout at MIT(they don't even stick to SI units, and rarely use dimensional analysis). :-[
Assuming that a theory is correct has no basis without some kind of empirical proof.
 There, i've just pontificated ::)
I have to say, PWM, Im with you on the Bob Lazar pontification;)
Last month I had posted that I had seen a few things that made me wonder about his authenticity, and Mr Lear had pointed out that maybe I should take a longer look at Bob's legacy.
After quite a bit of objective reading, the conclusion I came to, was that Bob was telling the truth, and his story was difficult for most to grasp, so they did what we do well as a humankind, and disagreed with it or tried to discredit it.
I stepped back, and looked at Bob's delivery, and subsequential sharing of his knowledge. I sensed a Bob, who was excited at first, yet somewhat timid, who as the story became more well known, turned into the person many do when finding out that people arent convinced of something he knew was clearly real.
He became a bit detached from the media, and soon, some folks jumped on the guy like he was full of it.
Ive heard so many differing versions of what Bob really said or explained, that its hard for me to imagine the truth, aside from the man's word himself, and that is what I have decided is true.
What he and John Lear saw or experienced, happened folks, and he and John just wanted to tell us for our own good, but the powers that be did their usual trickery, and now it's nearly folklore to some.

Thanks, John, for the push to open my eyes wider, that's how I learn.

We are a pathetic, non trusting society, arent we?

Lets listen to the people who want to tell us what happens these days, and give them the confidence to be trusted, so we can quickly cut through to the truth.
I think that's what the living moon is all about, presenting theories, and ideas, we wouldnt hear anywhere else in such a civilized manner.

And, Bob Lazar's and John Lear's help here has been paramount to understanding what the heck is going on around our world and soar system today, and in the future.
So, Ill listen and give anyone here a chance, because it's better to trust and be wrong sometimes, than to not trust, and never get the chance to be right.

LE
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: zerocd on April 03, 2012, 03:36:20 am
I see Big Pappy has visited PRC as a "guest".
A week ago he posted Tom Mahood's "The Robert Lazar Timeline" from July 1994 on the AS site (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?88-Robert-‘Bob’-Lazar-–-Hoaxer-Liar-amp-Fraud-supported-by-John-(Fired)-Lear/page4).

Old news but would like comments if possible.

Please note that I am in no way a Lazar basher, quite the contrary.


zerocd
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on April 03, 2012, 05:43:00 am
I see Big Pappy has visited PRC as a "guest".
A week ago he posted Tom Mahood's "The Robert Lazar Timeline" from July 1994 on the AS site (http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/showthread.php?88-Robert-‘Bob’-Lazar-–-Hoaxer-Liar-amp-Fraud-supported-by-John-(Fired)-Lear/page4).

Old news but would like comments if possible.

Please note that I am in no way a Lazar basher, quite the contrary.


zerocd
It appears to me that BP has it in for both Lear and lazar.
I wonder if he considered the fact that he is being used by the media for disinfo, and is taking the bait like a big dumb fish. Of course you can look up records of anyone and interview those around them at the time, and look as deep as you want, its all speculation, and whimsy when written by the disinfo division.

The sad part is, whatever the government wants you to believe, you will be convinced of, if you arent aware of what is going on here. Theyve got BP convinced with those public records, that nobody could ever possibly change or falsify(RRRIIIGGGGHHHTTT!)
Public records arent good enough to wipe my butt with Pappy, so try to do real research before you spout opinions based on layers of lies thicker than a dogpile on the last biscuit.

And the courtroom scene, well if you were railroaded by the best(us govt) youd be a pretty good actor, too!

And all those papers and articles, did you ever think that they are fabricated for a reason?
If youre going to be a debunker, debunk, dont just use public and already known knowledge to back it, go the extra mile to find the truth, not a day with google and wikipedia!

Big Pappy, I dont know what your agenda really is, but it seems you might even be a part of the disinfo campaign with the amount of passion youve got for this subject.

Character assasination is the number one tool of the disinfo agent, next to his glock.

I think we might do better to not read any of the crap he's posted over there, as it sounds like the same drivel thats been printed for years against Bob and John.

I did real research, when I took a chance to look into Bob's legacy, and found people like Big Pappy to be a dime a dozen, so whats the real truth?

I think, like I responded before, Bob wasnt able to get the word out the way he wanted to, and it turned into a circus when he tried, so he pulled back, and was vilified for it.

A sad, complex story, that exhibits the fear and uncertainty one feels after seeing something to change his life. It was probably really hard to live those last years for Bob, and what he really did versus what is disinfo'd about him wil always be a huge question mark for me.

Mr Lear, care to chime in here?

Best Regards,
Littleenki
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Ellirium113 on April 03, 2012, 06:23:53 pm
Found this video of Bob {Excerpts from the govt. bible}...around the 24 minute mark he goes into detail of Element 115 and shows some in an experiment.  :)

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/92656/ufo_bob_lazar/ (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/92656/ufo_bob_lazar/)

Note: Just seen this posted in the Bob Lazar library...Haven't had a chance to go through it all yet.
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: Littleenki on April 03, 2012, 09:40:52 pm
Found this video of Bob {Excerpts from the govt. bible}...around the 24 minute mark he goes into detail of Element 115 and shows some in an experiment.  :)

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/92656/ufo_bob_lazar/ (http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/92656/ufo_bob_lazar/)

Note: Just seen this posted in the Bob Lazar library...Haven't had a chance to go through it all yet.
Pretty interesting video, Ellirium. I hadnt seen it in length so it was nice to see it all at once. What a sad story that our government is, and they think we are complete idiots, but were not, are we?

So, if we cant get any element 115, how will we ever create gravity? It would be like us humans to squander the opportunity we had to make bombs and war machines. What a pathetic bunch of non thinkers run our world, eh?

LE
Title: Re: Joseph Farrell suggests new elements named after Lazar & Lear
Post by: astr0144 on May 25, 2018, 07:37:12 pm
In ref to Bob Lazars Element 115... as he describes when the substance is put in the reactor.. it gets bombarded by protons and becomes Element 116 for a short time period where it has become more powerful or reactive...

So maybe its Element 116 that should be studied further...

it seems that Element 116 known as Livermorium was discovered in year 2000 before Element 115 in 2003 !

Discovery   Joint Institute for Nuclear Research and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (2003)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium


Discovery   Joint Institute for Nuclear Research and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (2000)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livermorium

There is also since a Element 117 and Element 118 that seems to have returned..after it was removed...see below..

I wonder how those Elements may have compared to those referred to by Bob...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessine (E 117) discovered in 2009


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oganesson  (E 118) disscovered in 2002

and this is Ellirium 113s other name discovered in 2003  :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihonium


E 113
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There at S-4,. Lazar claims to have encountered element 115, which was used to power the alien saucer he was helping to back engineer. According to a version of the story, he and friend John Lear actually managed to get possession of the element for a period of time of a few minutes. Then, in subsequent interviews, Lazar claimed to have been contacted by the high energy laboratory in Darmstadt to come work there, doubtless for his alleged experience working with the super-heavy elements.

While it is true that element 115 was in fact subsequently “officially” discovered at Darmstadt, and while it is true that these elements constitute an island of stability with relatively longer half lives than others, I remain intensely skeptical that the claim to have collected any sample of the material for a number of minutes is true, given the short half-lives of these elements.

But in any case, I have a suggestion for the committee that names elements, just for kicks: why not name it Lazarium, and element 116, Learium?


Zorgon Bob Lazar Library
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 05:09:18 PM »

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Element 118 disappears two years after it was discovered
Aug 2, 2001

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    NB: The paper reporting the discovery of element 118 was formally retracted by its authors in 2002. The retraction followed an investigation into alleged scientific misconduct by one of the authors, Victor Ninov.

    Researchers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in the US have retracted their claim to have discovered element 118. The retraction follows more detailed analysis of the original data at Berkeley and the failure of experiments at Berkeley, the RIKEN laboratory in Japan, and the GSI laboratory in Germany to observe the element.

    In 1999 a team of researchers from the Berkeley lab, the University of California at Berkeley and Oregon State University claimed to have detected three atoms of element 118 in collisions between high-energy krypton ions and a lead target. "The observation of a chain of six high-energy alpha decays within about one second unambiguously signalled the production and decay of element 118" said team leader Ken Gregorich at the time. Element 118 was then the heaviest element to have been detected.

    In a brief statement submitted to Physical Review Letters, which published the paper reporting the original discovery, the Berkeley team write: "Prompted by the absence of similar decay chains in subsequent experiments, we (along with independent experts) re-analyzed the primary data files from our 1999 experiments. Based on these re-analyses, we conclude that the three reported chains are not in the 1999 data. We retract our published claim for the synthesis of element 118."

    "Science is self-correcting," said Berkeley director Charles Shank. "If you get the facts wrong, your experiment is not reproducible. There are many lessons here, and the lab will extract all the value it can from this event. The path forward is to learn from the mistakes and to strengthen the resolve to find the answers that nature still hides from us."


Element 118 disappears two years after it was discovered

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