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The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« on: April 10, 2016, 12:28:38 am »


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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2016, 05:31:22 am »
a quick question , are these systems seen as shown , because I cannot see how these planets would be discovered , I thought the systems had to be edge onto us, so that we can see the occultation of the main star occurring

or is the entire universe a proverbial flat place?

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2016, 05:56:46 am »
That's a good question, if we are limited to that then I suppose we can only look for other planets in a relatively small percentage of the star systems.

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 06:42:34 am »
That's a good question, if we are limited to that then I suppose we can only look for other planets in a relatively small percentage of the star systems.

scary thought ,) what if a higher percentage than statistically possible had their ecliptic plains pointed towards us? , how would that be explained?

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2016, 08:09:16 am »

what's out there hasn't changed..     just are our ability to see it.        imagine that 
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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2016, 08:56:41 am »
WOW, this presentation is interesting too!! And it likely only presents to us a "a very very very very > ................few" of the real number of solar systems that exist in our galaxy. And one of the amazing points of this is that so how very physically different they can be. Some are relatively very small and some are huge in size. Some are basic in layout and some have, to us, oddball characteristics.

I would say, relative to the comments about "ecliptic" or flat planes, it would seem logical to expect every possible variance in our Galaxy, and in this Universe, within the realm of possible gravitational attraction(s). But for sure, the only way to present them pictorially such that we can easily view and understand them is with the "flat plane", as we have in this video.

I would have liked for the "Solar System" to have been presented to us likewise, so that we could have more knowledge of size relativity. I also wondered if any of those presented solar systems having planet(s) at "Planet X" distances??

As Space Otter "inferred", the more we see and learn about our Galaxy and Universe, the more we understand that we really really just don't know much about it!! :))


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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2016, 10:27:04 am »


oh no.. who doesn't want to be seen out there..lol ::)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nasa%e2%80%99s-kepler-spacecraft-enters-emergency-mode-75-million-miles-from-earth/ar-BBrxhWo?li=BBnb7Kz

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NASA’s Kepler spacecraft enters emergency mode 75 million miles from Earth

NASA engineers have declared a mission emergency for the agency's planet-hunting spacecraft Kepler, which has somehow switched into emergency mode. NASA just found out about the anomaly a day and a half ago, right before the agency tried to maneuver the spacecraft to point at the center of the Milky Way for a new observation campaign. Now that a mission emergency has been declared, the Kepler team has priority access to NASA's deep space telecommunications system in order to try to get the spacecraft back to normal operations.

Emergency mode is the lowest operational mode the spacecraft has. It also requires a lot more fuel than usual, which is why the Kepler mission team is working hard to get the spacecraft back to normal. But communication with Kepler isn't easy. The spacecraft is currently 75 million miles away from Earth right now, according to NASA, so any communications signal traveling at the speed of light will take up to 13 minutes to travel to and from the spacecraft. NASA said it will provide updates about its efforts when they are available.

This isn't the first time that Kepler has suffered some kind of malfunction. Kepler originally launched in 2009, with the goal of looking for planets outside of our Solar System. The spacecraft accomplished its main goal by 2012, after finding nearly 5,000 exoplanets. But in July of that year, Kepler experienced a failure in one of its four gyroscopic reaction wheels, which help aim the spacecraft. A second wheel was lost in May 2013, putting an end to its primary mission. But in 2014, NASA was able to extend Kepler's life into what is called the K2 mission, which involves using pressure from the Sun to help orient the spacecraft.


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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/tech/nasa-kepler-emergency-mode/

Kepler spacecraft in trouble 75 million miles from Earth

By Faith Karimi, CNN
Updated 3:58 AM ET, Sun April 10, 2016


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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/go-for-launch/os-nasa-kepler-spacecraft-in-trouble-20160409-story.html

NASA: Exoplanet-finding Kepler spacecraft in trouble


A routine contact with a NASA spacecraft 75 million miles from Earth discovered something alarming: Kepler had placed itself in Emergency Mode.

The Kepler mission team is now working to recover the spacecraft from Emergency Mode, according to Charlie Sobeck, Kepler mission manager at NASA’s Ames Research Center.


A solution may take some time. Even at the speed of light, it takes signals 13 minutes to travel from Earth to the Kepler spacecraft and back, according to NASA.

On April 4, the last contact with Kepler, the spacecraft was operating normally and healthy.

The Kepler space telescope is on its second mission, Kepler2, after it was re-purposed to survey the Milky Way in search of planets outside of our solar system that orbit stars -- like Earth orbits the sun-- known as exoplanets.
 

Artist rendering of NASA's Kepler space telescope, the spacecraft is more then 70 million miles from Earth searching for planets orbiting star-like systems, known as exoplanets.
 (NASA)


Kepler2 is responsible for discovering more than 20 exoplanets and more than 250 possible exoplanets awaiting confirmation. These discoveries could be future targets of study for the Hubble Space Telescope and the coming James Webb Space Telescope, looking for life-supporting atmospheres on these planets.

It’s not the first time Kepler has been in a hairy situation.

Launched in 2009, Kepler's first mission to find exoplanets went well until 2012 when the spacecraft lost one of its four reaction wheels used for balancing the spacecraft.

A year later another wheel went out and the severe malfunction prevented the spacecraft from staying on target without drifting off course, according to a NASA press release. Kepler’s engineers were able to save the telescope using the pressure of sunlight to stabilize the spacecraft.

“You’re not watching it unfold in real time,” said Dustin Putnam, Ball’s attitude control lead for Kepler. “You’re watching it as it unfolded a few minutes ago, because of the time the data takes to get back from the spacecraft.”

This critical situation comes right before flight operations engineers at Ball Aerospace and the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado were planning on flipping the telescope for its new mission objective.

From NASA's Jet Propulsion Labratory, "So, instead of looking toward where it's been, the spacecraft will look in the direction of where it's going."

Again, Kepler's team will have to devise a plan to recover the spacecraft.

Check back for updates on this developing story.

For more space news follow me @emspeck and 'like' the Sentinel on Space Facebook page.




a quick search shows more of the same article in many places


http://spacenews.com/kepler-mission-declares-spacecraft-emergency/


https://www.nasa.gov/
http://nasasearch.nasa.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=nasa&query=kepler


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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 11:39:30 am »
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I would say, relative to the comments about "ecliptic" or flat planes, it would seem logical to expect every possible variance in our Galaxy, and in this Universe, within the realm of possible gravitational attraction(s). But for sure, the only way to present them pictorially such that we can easily view and understand them is with the "flat plane", as we have in this video.

Variance in the power of a stars ability to generate a gravitational field  maybe , planets are still going to form and orbit on the elliptic plane , do a higher percentage of solar systems orbit the centre of the milky way galaxy at an angle which allows us to see occultation's and interpret as planetary bodies from xxx light years away ?

did I miss a cue? :D

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 01:24:55 pm »


Kepler Orrery's are a collection of only the stars that do exhibit occultation.

It examines many (in the majority actually) that do not show signs of occultation, at least in the raw data I have seen.

Perhaps these also do have planetary bodies orbiting, but are at the wrong angle for us to observe the occultation.

Great questions funbox, gfy for getting our wheels turning.

And yes Rdunk they did indeed rotate the images face on for display purposes, for what turned out be be a very interesting perspective on the night sky.

I find these first detailed peeks outside the old crib amazing.


I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise!



 

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2016, 04:28:11 pm »
further questions :D

how does the scope gather information on orbit time . I imagine a lengthy period of time where the scope is trained on the star and a repetition is made, maybe speed too from  transition start to end

does this scope see a huge field of view ? or a narrow field ?

 ..seems like there isn't enough time in the day to make all of the observations it's made, excluding the time its been out of commission

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2016, 05:03:09 pm »
further questions :D

how does the scope gather information on orbit time . I imagine a lengthy period of time where the scope is trained on the star and a repetition is made, maybe speed too from  transition start to end

I don't know.

does this scope see a huge field of view ? or a narrow field ?

A narrow field is what they say.

 ..seems like there isn't enough time in the day to make all of the observations it's made, excluding the time its been out of commission

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2016, 05:25:20 pm »
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A narrow field is what they say.

interesting , again, where did they find the time if individual stars were observed to obtain an orbital time .. anything beyond a week seems like too long to calculate in the operational  time that's passed :D
 
smells all a bit fishy

sure someone didn't peak at the hitchhiker guide ?


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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2016, 07:57:19 pm »
A51Watcher said, "I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise"!


That too is an interesting point. It seems that the visual direction of rotation would be dependent upon one's position in looking at the rotation of the solar system. For the solar systems in this video, if we were seeing that rotation from the back side, wouldn't they seem to be rotating "counter clockwise"?? Kinda like the Earth's circular daily rotation - if we look down on the Earth from above the North Pole it is rotating clockwise. But, if we do likewise at the South Pole, we would see it rotating counter clockwise.
(Per Wiki @........... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise  )  :)

Of course, maybe the directional rotation and orbit of a systems major gravitational body just might have something with how each planetary object responds synergistically (rotationally) to it??

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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2016, 11:51:11 pm »
A51Watcher said, "I am fascinated by the apparent natural law that all planets orbit counterclockwise"!


That too is an interesting point. It seems that the visual direction of rotation would be dependent upon one's position in looking at the rotation of the solar system. For the solar systems in this video, if we were seeing that rotation from the back side, wouldn't they seem to be rotating "counter clockwise"?? Kinda like the Earth's circular daily rotation - if we look down on the Earth from above the North Pole it is rotating clockwise. But, if we do likewise at the South Pole, we would see it rotating counter clockwise.
(Per Wiki @........... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwise  )  :)

Of course, maybe the directional rotation and orbit of a systems major gravitational body just might have something with how each planetary object responds synergistically (rotationally) to it??

Of course I see your point, but the questions still is - why do they all follow the same direction of rotation, no matter which side you're looking from?




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Re: The Kepler Telescope - Solar Systems In The Sky!
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2016, 08:18:14 pm »


Many of the large red planets in a small tight spiral appear to be in the final stage of preparing to go supernova.



 


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