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Offline Pimander

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CIA and Mossad killed senior Hezbollah figure in car bombing
« on: February 03, 2015, 07:57:35 pm »
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The device was triggered remotely from Tel Aviv by agents with Mossad, the Israeli foreign intelligence service, who were in communication with the operatives on the ground in Damascus. “The way it was set up, the U.S. could object and call it off, but it could not execute,” said a former U.S. intelligence official.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

This is a war crime, act of terror and also against US law.   This is what whistle-blowing is about.

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Mughniyah was targeted in a country where the United States was not at war. Moreover, he was killed in a car bombing, a technique that some legal scholars see as a violation of international laws that proscribe “killing by perfidy” — using treacherous means to kill or wound an enemy.

“It is a killing method used by terrorists and gangsters,” said Mary Ellen O’Connell, a professor of international law at the University of Notre Dame. “It violates one of the oldest battlefield rules.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-and-mossad-killed-senior-hezbollah-figure-in-car-bombing/2015/01/30/ebb88682-968a-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html

US law?

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    –EXECUTIVE ORDER 12333, signed into law by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on December 4th, 1981.

    “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in or conspire to engage in assassination.”

    –EXECUTIVE ORDER 12036, signed into law by U.S. President Jimmy Carter on January 24, 1978.

    “No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.”

    –EXECUTIVE ORDER 11905, created and signed into law by U.S. President Gerald R. Ford on February 18, 1976.

    “No employee of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.”

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2015/02/03/us-officials-blow-the-whistle-on-secret-cia-mossad-operation-in-syria/

The extraordinarily close cooperation between the CIA and the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service suggests that secret assassination operations by these intelligence agencies, a tactic considered by many to be a ‘terrorist act’, are probably not uncommon

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Re: CIA and Mossad killed senior Hezbollah figure in car bombing
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 09:38:55 pm »
How well acquainted are you with Mughniyah's history?

I've always held you in high regard, Pimander, and therefore wouldn't be surprised if your post was a "vibe feeler".

Without going into great detail about his role in killing hundreds of Americans and UK citizens, I'll spotlight my philosophical position on the taking of ones life.

Assassination, as defined in DOD glossary, is never justified. The assessment of whether or not targeting an individual for "assassination" is inherently weaved into the fabric of national security and public safety.

When within that assessment a new variable is inserted (due to credible intelligence) and an individual is no longer accurately characterized as a  "Potential futurethreat, only TWO contexts exist for which that individual deserved a new characterisation:

No longer a threat, or crossed from potential to credible violent threat.

Less all the legal jargon, that means an individual poses " real and immediate, not conjectural or hypothetical" intent to do violent harm.

Wherein, as you probably noticed, the term "Assassination" does nothing more than obscure the transformation. It is no longer assassination.

The US and Israel aren't in the business making heads roll in some sort misguided, patriotic fashion. They're in the business of complying and adhering to their role as set out by our constitutions, their unwavering purpose is to protect their citizens from harm. (Believe it or not, it's less common a principle then many would expect)

State sponsored terrorism is a dangerous business, a cowardly tactic, and an absolutely draconian means of furthering national interest.

it's my opinion that neutralizing these individuals, including but not limited to killing them, is wholly justified. After all,  "nations" whom aren't known for duty to principles use methods cruder by levels of magnitude.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

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Re: CIA and Mossad killed senior Hezbollah figure in car bombing
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2015, 08:19:49 am »
it's my opinion that neutralizing these individuals, including but not limited to killing them, is wholly justified. After all,  "nations" whom aren't known for duty to principles use methods cruder by levels of magnitude.
Too simplistic.  Yes, the person was probably not very nice and a strategic target.

This is the problem though.  How do you think the terrorists recruit?  By convincing young Moslems that "The West" are war criminals and have double standards.  By working with an intelligence agency who are from a nation (Israel) who have recently killed thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza the USA help the terrorists recruit.

Need a new foreign policy as the current US one (and British too) is making the world a far more dangerous unstable place to live.

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Re: CIA and Mossad killed senior Hezbollah figure in car bombing
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2015, 05:57:19 pm »
Too simplistic.  Yes, the person was probably not very nice and a strategic target.

This is the problem though.  How do you think the terrorists recruit?  By convincing young Moslems that "The West" are war criminals and have double standards.  By working with an intelligence agency who are from a nation (Israel) who have recently killed thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza the USA help the terrorists recruit.

Need a new foreign policy as the current US one (and British too) is making the world a far more dangerous unstable place to live.
He wasn't a strategic target. He was acquired as a target because he has a long, detailed, violent history. He targets innocent civilians, DELIBERATELY, on behalf of Iran.

It's an absolute shame those civilians in Gaza died as a result  of that conflict.

But let me get one thing absolutely straight here...

When a governing body oversees a populace (or a barbaric group claiming authority like HAMAS), THEY CANNOT EXCLAIM DENIABILITY OR UNACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR CIVILIAN DEATHS AS A RESULT OF A KINETIC RETALIATION. HAMAS IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE USSR DID IN THE 60'S AND 70'S. As Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle technology became the standard, protecting Value based targets became essential. While the US and the UK were busy deterring the Soviets Nucs away from populated areas, the Soviet Union showed its true colors. THE ONLY INVESTMENT THEY MADE IN ASSURANCE WAS TO THE KREMLIN AND ITS STAKE HOLDERS   



This isn't Rules of War 303, this is rudimentary 101.



 
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"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

 


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