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Title: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 03, 2013, 02:32:00 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YzVh82xGAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YzVh82xGAg)


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Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 03, 2013, 05:59:23 pm
Question for you...

WHY is there a PYRAMID on the Nevada Test Site near Area 51?

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/391853_156791174473404_1560409053_n.jpg)

And WHY did I only hear about this from a Mexican website today?

37 05 45N, 116 05 40W

I need answers :P

Oh  hehehe NICE VIDEO Great Job!
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Amaterasu on February 03, 2013, 07:21:24 pm
Nice footage!  And music!

z, interesting, that pyramid...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Quality on February 03, 2013, 10:27:14 pm
very interesting find zorgon.
i appreciate it.
i love discovering things with google maps, i guess i can say its one of my hobbies  :)
and to the op, nice footage of an obvious craft, thanks.
how long was it hovering in that area for?
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: undo11 on February 03, 2013, 10:32:03 pm
Question for you...

WHY is there a PYRAMID on the Nevada Test Site near Area 51?

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/391853_156791174473404_1560409053_n.jpg)

And WHY did I only hear about this from a Mexican website today?

37 05 45N, 116 05 40W

I need answers :P

Oh  hehehe NICE VIDEO Great Job!

 :o  weird!
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Cosmic4life on February 03, 2013, 11:48:58 pm
I rather suspect it's a new version of one of these........Ballistic Early Warning Radar.

(http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/fylingdales/fylingdales%201.jpg)

(http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/f/fylingdales/skyscan1.jpg)

C...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Cosmic4life on February 04, 2013, 12:01:23 am
You do know that Scalar weapons use Radar arrays right ?? 

Specifically Phased array Radars...Phase conjugation.

I would refer you to Tom Bearden ..pretty sure you have a section on him.

One of these buildings and a couple of mobile rigs can create the Plasma Orbs so often seen in the area.

Just sayin'........you ain't seen me right...I will deny everything. :-X

C...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 04, 2013, 12:19:48 am
I would refer you to Tom Bearden ..pretty sure you have a section on him.

No but I should  I do have him on the website though
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 04, 2013, 03:39:14 am
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320201_369964946405484_2024997968_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 04, 2013, 06:34:08 am
No but I should  I do have him on the website though
We must both have a ton of stuff from Bearden. I have some very interesting papers also.
We could make a file on him in 'inventors' but i would prefer to dump it all on on the public forum 8) Much more fun!
I have some extracts from 'wave warfare' and 'the Excalibur briefing' but not all of it...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 04, 2013, 08:53:37 am


hey A51..is that you pointing?...


i have a question for you inventor guys..or anyone :)

have you ever used a pryamid stucture to change your inventions?

i read long ago..you know ..way back in the 70's.. about the power of the pryamid SHAPE
and tried it out with a few string ones....mostly cause i couldn't get my most favorite
metal ~ copper  ~ to have the exact angle
anywho

for me the hype was validated about how it changed and amplified stuff (energy)
the meditation under a string pryamid was awesome and the fruit did stay longer
and  the cat got the milk and didn't croak 

i just wondered since you guys are all into the building of things if you ever used the shape
and if you have did you stick to the 52.8 angle

 ::)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 04, 2013, 02:15:26 pm


sky -



Nope not me.

I was all alone out there.



Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 04, 2013, 02:26:33 pm


Quality -


Not very long.


Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 04, 2013, 03:06:51 pm


Amy -


Yeah thanks. Music is always the biggest delay in putting one of these projects together.

Finding the right one can take forever sometimes.








Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: thorfourwinds on February 04, 2013, 06:07:06 pm
Question for you...

WHY is there a PYRAMID on the Nevada Test Site near Area 51?

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/391853_156791174473404_1560409053_n.jpg)

And WHY did I only hear about this from a Mexican website today?

37 05 45N, 116 05 40W

I need answers :P

Oh  hehehe NICE VIDEO Great Job!

Greetings:

We do not have an answer for that that might please you.

Consider this from 8 years ago on Tango    :P    8)


Quote
5 May 2005

TheShroudOfMemphis

posted on 5/5/2005 @ 03:11 AM

Well this is wierd.
It reminds me of the All Seeing Eye Pyramid which has no Apex.
It's located in that dry lake region which also houses Area 51 and many military bomb testing sites.

There's two images, first one from GoogleMap which is in colour and clear but hides one side of the 'Pyramid' in shadow. Second photo is the same location from TerraServer that shows the 'Pyramid' without shadow and confirms it is a solid shape and has no apex as per reserved for 'the All Seeing Eye'.

Not sure why it's there? Why make it? What's it used for? WHY!!???

Google photo of Pyramid (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.628036,+-116.848060&ll=37.096024,-116.094675&spn=0.008100,0.010664&t=k&hl=en)

TerraServer Photo of Pyramid (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.628036,+-116.848060&ll=37.096024,-116.094675&spn=0.008100,0.010664&t=k&hl=en)

What do you think?



And why are the pyramids in China (and this one) flat on top? Other that the obvious landing pad.   :P

(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w400/thorfourwinds/February%201-15%203013/pyramids.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: astr0144 on February 04, 2013, 08:40:39 pm
A51,

Another interesting video from Area 51 that appears to be showing yet another siting of a Saucer..

Can you offer any information about this ?

Who is the person pointing ? anyone we should know ?

or does he wish to remain unknown.

What date was it filmed ?

This was taken in day light, not in the darkness of the night.

what time of day,

Where exactly..was it same location as your siting ?

The effects and changes of color and shape are very impressive especially from about half way through when you zoom in closer on the object !








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YzVh82xGAg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YzVh82xGAg)


 8)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: astr0144 on February 04, 2013, 09:30:43 pm
Ref to Zorgs Pyramid and The4winds post from ATS...

Assuming that these refer to the same pyramid...
( although I am not sure they show the same ref locations of if both are from Google maps or google earth ...maybe the coordinates vary from the two from degrees to Decimal)

The Image that Zorg posted shows a strong shadow..on the pyramids North East side...

But the image that is shown when you click on the ATS link and Zoom in on ...TerraServer Photo of Pyramid looks different.No Shadows shown what so ever ! that the article does refer to..but the links seem to show the same webpage at google maps.

one refers to being google maps and one to terraserver
(Im not sure why he refers terraserver if both  the links go to google maps unless google use or did use them  )

if you look on the map around the surrounding area...its in the NTS range....about 12 to 14 miles West of Papoose Lake ... on the same Latitude just south of its mid point...

There is a few unusual things shown around this area....that are within a bordered area with a couple of nearby object s just  east of the pyramid... that I think may be underground tunnel entrances... there are also some buildings closer by to the pyramid.

The closer tunnel looks like  two tapering horizontal walls..and the further one looks a bit like a unusual UFO type object from some SCI Fi Movie  with a large black pipe going through it .

=================

Well this is wierd.
It reminds me of the All Seeing Eye Pyramid which has no Apex.
It's located in that dry lake region which also houses Area 51 and many military bomb testing sites.

There's two images, first one from GoogleMap which is in colour and clear but hides one side of the 'Pyramid' in shadow. Second photo is the same location from TerraServer that shows the 'Pyramid' without shadow and confirms it is a solid shape and has no apex as per reserved for 'the All Seeing Eye'.

Not sure why it's there? Why make it? What's it used for? WHY!!???

Google photo of Pyramid

TerraServer Photo of Pyramid

What do you think?
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Cosmic4life on February 05, 2013, 09:49:47 am
People just don't read do they...

For the second and last time.

It's a phased array radar......why is it there??    Umm  because it's a testing area....

.....wait

..you know what....you're right....it's an Alien landing pad.. ::)

I'm outta here..

C...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: astr0144 on February 05, 2013, 09:54:50 am
This is a description of what the Pyramid Area is....from an expert on Area 51 and its surrounding area...
Unless he is not telling all of course !  ???

It is, without question, the Big Explosives Experimental Facility (BEEF). It is used for non-nuclear testing to study blast effects using high-explosive charges. The pyramid is simply one of two earth-covered, concrete bunkers, that was originally built to monitor atmospheric nuclear tests at Yucca Flat during the 1950s. It was converted to support the BEEF in the 1990s.

The need for the BEEF site originated when, due to community encroachment near the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) facility in Livermore, California, the Department of Energy was no longer allowed to perform large high explosive experiments at the facility's Site 300, Shaped Charge Scaling Project.

Therefore looking at the NTS as a location to continue to perform these large high explosive experiments, two earth-covered, two-foot thick steel reinforced concrete bunkers were located near Yucca Flat and found to be ideally configured for use as a new test site. The facility consists of a control bunker, a camera bunker, a gravel firing table, and associated control and diagnostic systems.

The BEEF has conducted conventional high-explosives experiments using a testbed that provides sophisticated diagnostics such as high-speed optics and x-ray radiography on the firing table, while operating personnel are present in the bunker. The WATUSI experiment at the BEEF in September 2002 sought to show that existing seismic and infrasound sensors at the Test Site and across the western U.S. that were used in the days of underground nuclear testing still can detect and characterize explosions accurately. The yield of the experiment was equivalent to approximately 37,000 pounds of TNT (37 kilotons).

Attached link: http://www2.nstec.com/Documents/Fact%20Sheets/BEEF.pdf
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: astr0144 on February 05, 2013, 05:15:53 pm
I wonder if anyone can explain this...someone pointed it out to me...that they got taken to another location..

In the post made by "TheFourwinds made on February 04, 2013, 06:07:06 PM....

It referred to a post from ATS that has some links that take you to google maps and the Pyramid..

It takes you to this link...

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.628036,+-116.848060&ll=37.096024,-116.094675&spn=0.008100,0.010664&t=k&hl=en

and it shows what look like Decimal coordinates within the google map search box... that I thought were the actual coordinates for the Pyramid....

37.628036, -116.848060

But IF you enter these in google... they take you to a different location... North West of the pyramid..

I NOTE in the URL  there are in fact two lots of coordinates..
the one just mentioned and also the one shown below..
( look closely at and within the URL)

This is the correct coordinate for the pyramid...

37.096024,-116.094675

It seems that sometimes upon entering the URL within google that sometimes I get taken to the Pyramid and sometimes I get taken to the other NW location of the Pyramid..

Ive seen some websites that redirect you sometimes to differing websites when the webmasters are testing say whats the best out of two different websites..

I wonder if this is a similar thing.... but I dont know why it takes me to another location and what that other location is referring to..

I wonder if anyone has any ideas ...

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TheShroudOfMemphis

posted on 5/5/2005 @ 03:11 AM

Well this is wierd.
It reminds me of the All Seeing Eye Pyramid which has no Apex.
It's located in that dry lake region which also houses Area 51 and many military bomb testing sites.

There's two images, first one from GoogleMap which is in colour and clear but hides one side of the 'Pyramid' in shadow. Second photo is the same location from TerraServer that shows the 'Pyramid' without shadow and confirms it is a solid shape and has no apex as per reserved for 'the All Seeing Eye'.

Not sure why it's there? Why make it? What's it used for? WHY!!???

Google photo of Pyramid

TerraServer Photo of Pyramid

What do you think?

Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 05, 2013, 09:10:31 pm


>Can you offer any information about this ?

>Who is the person pointing ? anyone we should know ?

>or does he wish to remain unknown.


Another anonymous member of The FilmRunners Club.

For some odd reason we all prefer to keep it that way.  ;)


>What date was it filmed ?

Late 1990


>This was taken in day light, not in the darkness of the night.

>what time of day,

>Where exactly..was it same location as your siting ?


Early morning. They had been stalking this craft for several hours while trying to dodge security at the same time.

Taken near Area 51 but appears to be a different location than mine. Unlike me, they had the good sense to not drive right into the heart of the beast.


>The effects and changes of color and shape are very impressive especially from about half way through when you zoom in closer on the object !


You will note the changes of color and shape are what we have become accustomed to seeing when viewing gravity amplification craft.

These guys just got lucky and got some daylight footage.



Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: astr0144 on February 05, 2013, 10:27:56 pm

Thanks for the reply A51...

That is quite remarkable if they managed to dodge security and catch seeing it come morning...

Its great to see it in comparison with a background rather than just be a light with a background of darkness..

I would had loved to have experienced that !

I am curious what time of the year and what time in the morning that it was...

It may be somewhere between and along the 375 highway and the mountains to the left of Bald Mountain at a guess...further towards Rachel after Groom Lake road or even the Black Mail box.
Around What I think you describe as the amphitheater..

The Steve Medlin Ranch may be visible between the guy and the mountains...as I can see something light colored amongst the Captus in the distance...I know that you can see the Cameo dudes vehicles moving along the tracks in the middle...

The Glowing object is actually quite large when you look at it...

Very Cool  8) 8) 8)


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Early morning. They had been stalking this craft for several hours while trying to dodge security at the same time.

Taken near Area 51 but appears to be a different location than mine. They had the good sense to not drive right into the heart of the beast.
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 06, 2013, 09:44:05 am



ya know A51
as i read this last of the daylight sighting capture ..i have to wonder if all of the
ufo's are nothing more than humans playing with other humans  (us)
that bigfoot may be the throw back but that there are advanced species here also
and that the ufo's are not from  elsewhwere..perhaps a different dimension of humans  ;)
just occupying the same local and giggling like kids at our naivete  ???

ya, i know, the bob stuff..but he could have been easily set up..he really wasn't there for very long
so he could have been fooled/misled as to the origins of the craft

i have seen things that i have no way to explain..and having no way to explain  means just that..i have no way to know where they are coming from

sigh..oh well..guess i have been snowed in too long..

not taking away from what you have shown us..just questioning  their origins

 ::)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 06, 2013, 09:24:44 pm


ya know A51
as i read this last of the daylight sighting capture ..i have to wonder if all of the
ufo's are nothing more than humans playing with other humans  (us)
that bigfoot may be the throw back but that there are advanced species here also
and that the ufo's are not from  elsewhwere..perhaps a different dimension of humans  ;)
just occupying the same local and giggling like kids at our naivete  ???

ya, i know, the bob stuff..but he could have been easily set up..he really wasn't there for very long
so he could have been fooled/misled as to the origins of the craft

i have seen things that i have no way to explain..and having no way to explain  means just that..i have no way to know where they are coming from

sigh..oh well..guess i have been snowed in too long..

not taking away from what you have shown us..just questioning  their origins

 ::)


sky -

you know all of the above could be correct at the same time.

Evidence has never indicated a single source for all activity.



However in the case of Area 51 craft we do have evidence indicating small greys from Zeta Reticuli as the source.

From Bob -

- Child size pilot seats

- Autopsy photos and report of small greys.

- Briefing report indicating small greys from Zeta Reticuli


From Betty Hill

- small greys indicating Zeta Reticuli on star map.

- not to mention the zillions of small greys abduction reports.


From  Roswell -

small greys as pilots



Also Zeta Reticuli fits the bill for binary star system with planets large enough to have the needed mass to have naturally occurring heavy elements such as E- 115.



So as far as at least one aspect of these sightings go - I'm not sayin it's greys...

but it's greys.

 ;)  ;D




Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 06, 2013, 09:48:08 pm
ok


but



(http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/13/55/53/83/untitl12.jpg)




ok..i'm sorry. i shouldn't poke fun at our little grey cousins
was reading and someone  said they wondered if wilcox still thought  the big o was a lightworker
and i went..hummmm haven't read anything about him for awhile..
i'm gonna go look
so i did
and check this out

what a co-winkie-dink, huh?

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1109-disclosure-nearly-identical-et-corpses-found-in-russia-and-south-america
 
SIRIUS WILL NOT BE "JUST ANOTHER DISCLOSURE FILM"
 
Is SIRIS going to be "just another Disclosure film" with high-ranking insiders -- the likes of which we've seen so many times before?
 
Not exactly.
 
What if Kaleka's film is about to present the world's first intact, preserved specimen of an extraterrestrial humanoid?
 
[Or, as it turns out, the second specimen... of apparently the same species.]

and you know it wouldn't be on line if it wasn't true.....
so even thought i still question everything else..i now believe in aliens (cousins)

 ;)

(http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/13/55/53/83/27676812.gif)

and they even have a pic of an x-ray and everything






just funnin with ya...won't happen again..honest..i'll be good  ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 06, 2013, 10:41:59 pm
So as far as at least one aspect of these sightings go - I'm not sayin it's greys...
but it's greys.

 ;)  ;D

Well that reality TV show, Stargate SG1 tells us its Greys... so lets stick with them :D  But I do wonder what ever happened to those 'little green men'  When did they turn from green to grey?  :o

(http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/morris_chapdelaine_01_big.jpg)


Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 06, 2013, 10:43:53 pm
Pyramid Ships under construction...

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101122141603/stargate/images/b/b3/Thor%27s_Chariot.jpg)

Maybe...?  :D

(http://members.galev.org/panders/Images/Mexiko/Teotihuacan_PyramidOfTheSun.jpg)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 07, 2013, 12:51:51 am

ya, i know, the bob stuff..but he could have been easily set up..he really wasn't there for very long
so he could have been fooled/misled as to the origins of the craft




sky -


The part that he could NOT have been set up on - is disc shaped craft that can maneuver without propulsion ports or surface controls.

He saw and worked on these... and I saw them as well.


You think I was set up? I wasn't there very long either.


I saw the impossible maneuvers that have been in our nations' skies since 1947.

Were they set up back then?

I saw this same technology in 1965.

Was I set up?

From dead stop hover to instantaneous streaks of thousands of mph and then sharp corners on a dime without slowing down.


Who could be setting who up here? No one had any idea I was going out there. What, they had it all ready just in case I or anyone else just happened by out in the middle of the desert?

'Hey pull over to the side of the road a minute, you wanna see all the laws of physics broken before your eyes in a heartbeat? It's pretty cool!'  ;D  8)


I guess when security drove by and he pulled his gun to show me as he drove by was just a set up then.  ;)


But seriously, there is technology in our skies that instantly demonstrates to your senses that you are way out of your depth here, this technology is easily manipulating dimensions that we are still only dreaming and guessing about.



The bottom line is that in 1947 especially, -there is no possible earthly origin- for that technology.
 
 

Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 07, 2013, 06:24:41 am

A51
i wasn't questioning  what you saw
or what it did OR ANY OF YOUR EXPERIENCE

..just it's.....ORIGINS

that it maybe wasn't from outer space but from much closer

i have no doubt that there are such mobile craft
i've seen stuff that i can't explain or find reference too

so no i wasn't questioning what you saw or even what you are doing

i was question where the dang thing came from

we are much smarter than we think but sometimes
we can't see the forrest for the trees

sigh

for instance ..if we can beleive that humans have been on the moon
for a good long time why not that the craft we are seeing are ours?

that's where i was going ..not that we aren't seeing them
 ::)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 07, 2013, 09:50:23 am

I getcha sky -

and that's what I was tying together. The extreme advancement indicates -not from around here-.

Speculating that Bob 'may have been set up'  infers that he was 'fooled' about their origins.


Fooling people into thinking technology origins are from another star system, instead of from another dimension or time period which is the true origin, seems to be a lot of effort to little or no avail.

Dimension travelers or time travelers would need to be hidden -more- than space travelers for what reason?


I submit that the tangible clues we HAVE been able to get our hands on indicate space travelers.


That being said, I do not discount the possibility that sightings of time or dimension travelers have occurred and account for a percentage of sightings.

But the knowledge of such travelers is no more damaging to the status quo than space travelers, so why the need to cover up this knowledge with false stories of space travelers? 



   
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 07, 2013, 02:36:34 pm
I getcha sky -

and that's what I was tying together. The extreme advancement indicates -not from around here-.



Speculating that Bob 'may have been set up'  infers that he was 'fooled' about their origins.


Fooling people into thinking technology origins are from another star system, instead of from another dimension or time period which is the true origin, seems to be a lot of effort to little or no avail.

Dimension travelers or time travelers would need to be hidden -more- than space travelers for what reason?


I submit that the tangible clues we HAVE been able to get our hands on indicate space travelers.


That being said, I do not discount the possibility that sightings of time or dimension travelers have occurred and account for a percentage of sightings.

But the knowledge of such travelers is no more damaging to the status quo than space travelers, so why the need to cover up this knowledge with false stories of space travelers? 




ya know there have been real geniuses for a long time and secret groups too and some of both of those with ability to get things done
soooooooooo
why does it have to be from anywhere else..we are not all shepple...some of us think and question
but a whole lot more don't

i don't think you would need more camo for time or dimension beings...how the hell do we know what they would look like.?..they could be grey and spinly..or small and green or ..oh wait..tall and bright white
but i was really only using that as a point of argument

if we think there have been humans on the moon for some time..do they still look like us
does birth occur there and
do they morph a bit and when they come back to report are spotted as other than human?

if we got to the moon and further..why couldn't there be enough smarts to use what looks like aliens for a control in any number of ways

first off any seeing them would be consisted nuts

and the threat of them landing would throw a panic into most..where they would need
to be "protected" by military for ther own good...

the protected and protectors knowing only what they have be told
eventual world control that wouldn't be thought of as a long term event of
control on the entire populace

i mean really, who would have the patience to play us for that long?

when you boil it all down..what do we really really for sure know
not what we saw..not what we have been told
but what we really know

ok..just my little brain entertaining itself...
i don't question what many of us have seen
we have obviously seen something

it's just all the rest of it
and .. i probably shouldn't have started this here..sorry

 ::)

but...if there is enough smarts to go and live on the moon
they would have to have tested stuff somewhere and built it somewhere
and
 why would they be mickey mousing around with the stuff we are seeing..
except as smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 07, 2013, 07:45:21 pm


Actually sky -

Author William Bramley does a nice job of validating your musings with his book 'The Gods Of Eden'.

If you haven't seen that one I think you'll find it most interesting.


Your theory reminds me of an Outer Limits episode I saw ages ago.

A bit over the top for me.


I tend to stick with the more mundane nuts and bolts 'normal' explanations of aliens.  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;)



 
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 07, 2013, 08:01:21 pm


ah A51...there i am without having read yet another book...hummmmmmmmmm
my lack of sci-fi reading seems to be enormous
i don't know where the heck my ideas come from???..they just emerge as i go along
oh well

 i will be near a book store tomorrow (home and garden show) so i will check it out if they have iti mean i will read the cover ;)

and i've never been too good with nuts and bolts or normal..ask anyone
bwhahahahahahah
probably too late now to change.. ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 07, 2013, 08:05:11 pm


sky -


His book is not scifi.

It is fact based from historical research.


If his premise is correct, it is more unsettling than any Outer Limits episode.


Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on February 07, 2013, 09:34:52 pm
ok.. found some stuff .......written in '89

  this is 1 of 3

here's the first link....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqXqG5WlXJs

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqXqG5WlXJs[/youtube]




and his website

http://www.williambramley.com/


 ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 16, 2013, 12:46:54 pm
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But seriously, there is technology in our skies that instantly demonstrates to your senses that you are way out of your depth here, this technology is easily manipulating dimensions that we are still only dreaming and guessing about.
That, is in some way true, but we are learning (or have learned) to replicate this tech.

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The bottom line is that in 1947 especially, -there is no possible earthly origin- for that technology.
That's the clincher, isn't it.
But there are sooo many papers from Tesla,Heim,Schauberger et al that proved this to be a viable concept, possibly (if we are to believe the nazi ufo stories) in the form of actual flying prototypes before 1947.

The fact that Roswell happened so soon after the break up of the third reich still takes priority over back-engineered alien tech IMHO.
However, there seems to be many varieties of craft out there, using possibly different drive systems/energy source.
Now that fits the scenario better, it means we have a mix of Human and ET craft out there, which makes for a much more complex arrangement, seems to me that no-one wants to go there.

I'm a little fed up with the Human / ET camps, why can't it be both?

A51 you are lucky, in that respect. I have never seen what i could describe as a UFO (you don't get them round here) and i would very much like to ::)
But concerning the amazing flight, inertialess & instant, there is enough theory to back this up.

This means it is entirely feasable, whether beyond our means or not i can't say....

Give me a black project with unlimited funds & i will see what we can come up with. :D
Has to be better than that POS Avrocar LOL probably the most expensive disinfo operation in history :P

Sky;
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we are much smarter than we think but sometimes we can't see the forrest for the trees

Too true, take the square wheel.

Won't work, right?


Wrong:

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/images/ODD/square_wheels.bmp)

It all depends on the terrain you whish to cross.

I will leave Lazar out of it because i noticed something interesting relating to Zorgon's russian ufo plans, when i find the thread i will post it there. Suffice to say there appears to be 3 methods, the Carr/Shauberger method, the Lazar method, and the 'Matrix transport' method. There may also be another method involving interdimensional portals, in which case you don't need a ship at all, but i have very little data on that method ;)

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if we think there have been humans on the moon for some time..do they still look like us
...I think they would become small & grey, with large black almond-shaped eyes...... ;)

Ooo nice find that book, going to watch this!
(eta; in part 1 he implies aliens wiped out half of Europe, and then he calls them 'custodians') ??? ???

Thanks to Alistair for that pic. No i don't know if that's him on the bike, i don't have the guts to ask him!
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 16, 2013, 06:50:16 pm

But seriously, there is technology in our skies that instantly demonstrates to your senses that you are way out of your depth here, this technology is easily manipulating dimensions that we are still only dreaming and guessing about.
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That, is in some way true, but we are learning (or have learned) to replicate this tech.
The bottom line is that in 1947 especially, -there is no possible earthly origin- for that technology.
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That's the clincher, isn't it.

But there are sooo many papers from Tesla,Heim,Schauberger et al that proved this to be a viable concept, possibly (if we are to believe the nazi ufo stories) in the form of actual flying prototypes before 1947.

...even if we are to believe the nazi ufo -stories- ... even the supposed blueprints of these discs show huge fans as the source of propulsion.

Fans do not even come close to matching flying saucer speeds and maneuvers. 


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The fact that Roswell happened so soon after the break up of the third reich still takes priority over back-engineered alien tech IMHO.
However, there seems to be many varieties of craft out there, using possibly different drive systems/energy source.
Now that fits the scenario better, it means we have a mix of Human and ET craft out there, which makes for a much more complex arrangement, seems to me that no-one wants to go there.

I'm a little fed up with the Human / ET camps, why can't it be both?

The primary divide between the ET/human camp comes down to control, not propulsion.

-IF- you were come up with a means of propulsion capable of 15,000 mph saucer speeds, how are you going to control it? At this speed a human pilot would barely have time to see a mountain approaching before slamming into it.

It will require automated guidance and reaction of unimaginable calculations per second to perceive and then again to react.

1947 clearly had no tech capable of these calculations, let alone a portable model to take on board a craft.



The second divide is what are you going to use for control surfaces?

 
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Suffice to say there appears to be 3 methods, the Carr/Shauberger method, the Lazar method, and the 'Matrix transport' method. There may also be another method involving interdimensional portals, in which case you don't need a ship at all, but i have very little data on that method ;)

One detail I can add to this speculation is that Bob was told that all 9 of the craft of various shapes he saw at S-4 used the same method of propulsion as the sports model.

Is this because all 9 of these craft come from the same race, or have all races discovered this to be the most efficient means of long distance travel?



Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 16, 2013, 09:25:36 pm
cont.


...and of course, the biggest divide is the ET bodies recovered at Roswell.

Now then, the human camp has support imo with craft such as the large triangles seen by so many in more recent times.


But they do not exhibit the incredible saucer speeds and maneuvers seen in 1947 and also at Area 51.


Gravity propulsion provides solutions to to all the problems presented in intergalactic travel all in one neat little package, using the by- product of one process to enable  or power the next process, including shielding the craft and occupants from extreme G forces and inertial damage.

Also the problem of the amount of time required to traverse immense distances is also nullified.


I agree we have made progress in understanding and back engineering this tech.

I think just being able to get one of these off the ground and fly it, is an amazing breakthrough.


The fact that we have 3 of them in operation now is amazing.

The skill and maneuvers the more experienced pilot was passing along to the other 2 indicated an amazing level of knowledge about how to control these craft and perform precise jumps and maneuvers to points at will.


So yes both camps have validation and sightings, and one often gets confused for another.

And indeed we have made amazing progress in back engineering and understanding these.


Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 18, 2013, 02:38:43 pm
Busy now, but i would like to discuss this further.
I'll be back tomorrow..
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 19, 2013, 12:08:42 pm
OK so i'm going to focus on the technology for a moment.

In my book, everything is possible, you just need a means of doing it. I am not one to be held back by our physical 'laws' or mathematics because they were invented by us, and we are far from perfect. Therefore our science is also far from perfect.

I believe there are many ways of producing 'antigravity', just as there are many ways of generating electricity.
As we know, many scientific advances are made, but a lot of these are either kept for the military, suppressed, or are simply overlooked.

A good example being the humble transistor, when Bell labs announced they had made a 'semi-conductor' it never made the splash we would think it would have done.
In fact, nobody could find a use for it at first.
Sony bought the patent, and have enjoyed being the world leader in electronics ever since

;)

In England, a clever chap called Clive Sinclair was building all kinds of stuff using these new gadgets, and was one of the first people in europe to come up with the idea of 'consumer electronics' at an affordable price.
The very fact that a semiconductor junction appears to defy several physical laws did not stop them.

Likewise, when Tesla started transmitting power to run lights, electric motors etc, it was deemed impossible, today, nearly 120 years later, we have just come up with the 'wireless charging mat' which can charge small devices (i have some doubts as to the efficiency) and it could in no way power the lights in the house, or a reasonably-sized electric motor.And besides, it is charging batteries, not powering the device directly.

A good example powering a device at short range using RF power is nothing new, even though it's all the rage on the TOOB it seems ::)

Clearly we have not caught up with Tesla yet, although 2 independent groups have successfully managed to transmit 100 watts across a room, one of them is even a member of Pegasus.
No, it's not me :P

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The primary divide between the ET/human camp comes down to control, not propulsion.
Yes, that's why they invented the Z80 processor, to steer ICBM's in the 70's
Until that time we probably did have a lot of accidents, IF we had the inertialess drive.And i have plenty of evidence this too is more than feasable, but i cannot put a date on it.

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1947 clearly had no tech capable of these calculations, let alone a portable model to take on board a craft.

You don't need to make such a complicated system, believe me.

There are also analog computers, based on differential amplifiers,which have been around since valves, which could automatically guide a vehicle over a mountain, they react very quickly, much faster than a digital system, and they are extremely simple to build.
 Any Phillips or Rank or Marconi engineer back in those days could have designed an autopilot-type system. Gyroscopes, compasses, they've all been around for a very long time...

What i have seen from reports & drawings indicate that there are several methods being used for UFO propulsion. Yes, many of the wartime discs were fan-powered, but not all of them. Otis Carr & several others had already found the 'rotating magnet' system of propulsion, and Thomas Townsend Brown managed to get his charged discs moving. This would have been around 1950, just 3 years after Roswell.

The trans-dimensional method of travelling has also been proposed several times by some brilliant mathematicians, but like the transistor, no-one has seen a use for it.
(Matrix being the only person i know of who is studying this)
Since this is just what we do know, imagine what we don't.

Incidentally, that (old) russian plan that Z posted contains the exact layout of Bob Lazar's UFO.
The chamber is there, also the 'pipe' & the 'generators', and at the bottom of the page there is in the (obviously russian) text: 115-->116. This has to be the 'element 115' type of nuclear reactor that Bob describes.The drawing may have been faked of course.
Now i have issues with Bob & 115, which haven't been resolved to my satisfaction.

You say that all 9 of the craft had the same drive, indicating that they are all off-world. It has to be, since we have no means of producing a stable isotope of element 115. These 'islands of stability' that you hear of are anything from milliseconds to a few months.
A truly stable form has yet to be found, on Earth at any rate....and maybe that's the single clincher that could prove Bob is right, if it can be proved beyond all doubt.

When John Lear told me he has seen this material, i asked him if it had a 'use by' date stamped on it.
I was not joking, now you can see why. You don't want your fuel to degrade into Plutonium halfway between galaxies ;)

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Is this because all 9 of these craft come from the same race, or have all races discovered this to be the most efficient means of long distance travel?
I think it could be so, but trans-dimensional travel is probably quicker & simpler, and safer, since you won't be travelling through physical space at all.
This would indicate that this is Type 2 alien design (galactic), trans galactic being type 3 and trans-dimensional type 4.


I am still of the opinion that:

1) There are at least 3 different drives, therefore at least 3 kinds of UFO, this seems to be borne out in part by the types of UFO that are generally spotted.

2) At least one of these methods is perfectly feasable, can be built by humans, & has been the case for about  70 years.

3) What we have, is anybody's guess. I would think it's a mix of human & alien tech, whether back-engineered (read stolen), captured, found, or given to us willingly.
I don't rule out any one scenario, i think they are all true.
Also, i would not rule out the existence of pan-dimensional beings, time travellers etc.

It stands to reason that with all this going on, the Gubmints of the world haven't a bloody clue what's going on, even while they are paying for it.
And we know even less than they do!

The triangle craft are, i think, a poor attemt to diguise 'our' antigrav tech as a 'stealth plane', after all, we are quite used by now to the F118 or whatever they have these days :P
So they could say 'yes, we admit we have a silent jet' or some such BS and people would swallow it. Better than telling us what they really have.

One thing i am certain of, my freind, is that we will never know most of it ;)
May be a good thing, too ::)
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on February 20, 2013, 08:37:36 pm


I can certainly agree with your summation.  8)


Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: zorgon on February 22, 2013, 12:59:43 pm
People just don't read do they...

Reading is a skill that requires many lifetimes to Master ;)

It is best taught using a baseball bat :P
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on October 28, 2013, 01:17:59 pm
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Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: deuem on October 29, 2013, 01:28:23 am
A51
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The primary divide between the ET/human camp comes down to control, not propulsion.

-IF- you were come up with a means of propulsion capable of 15,000 mph saucer speeds, how are you going to control it? At this speed a human pilot would barely have time to see a mountain approaching before slamming into it.

It will require automated guidance and reaction of unimaginable calculations per second to perceive and then again to react.

1947 clearly had no tech capable of these calculations, let alone a portable model to take on board a craft.

I'm gonna think out loud on this one. Auto pilot Is only good to an extent. Like a few or one on one. I would think that the contol system would need to be more complex than the engines. Even on modern jets it is more technican than the engines.
 
A Point and Go or Say an Go would be needed if there were thousands of them in the same air space all crossing paths. Each craft would need to know what the other crafts could do or are doing and make plans not to hit. 15,000mph and right turns is hard to calculate. If they can turn or stop at any time then a buffer of distance would have to be maintained somehow.
 
Maybe the reason they sometimes hit each other is because they have it turned off and driving it themselves. I know our modern jets have collision avoidance systems but they are going so slow in comparision and there are not thousands of them.
 
If we ever get like the Jetsons, there will be roads in the air. We will only be able to go off air [off road] where allowed.
 
If every car here was replaced with a saucer, I would need to move underground. They would be running into the buildings everywhere. Many people here have a hard enough time driving on the ground. I can't wait for them to get into the air..
Deuem
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Amaterasu on October 29, 2013, 08:37:38 am
Unless, of course, the construction is such that impact is impossible...  Some say such construction is possible...
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on October 29, 2013, 10:24:54 pm


Nice panorama Elvis. Makes my mouth dry just watching it.

Watching videos or pictures of the area causes many emotions to resurface for me.


As to the area having huge elevators like Navy Flight Deck Carriers under those buildings, well of course they do.

They have been aware of the Russians taking daily satellite photo's for a long time.

So to avoid showing off the goodies, they just ferry them back below deck when not being worked on.


D,... interesting idea and creative solutions to the steering and avoidance problem.

PWM is of a mind we had the tech and solutions in 47.

Later this year or next when his plate is not so full, I am still very interested in hearing details on what could have been used.


Amy, I would imagine it is, but you might have to shut it off at certain points such as cruising through choppy waters so to speak.

D, perhaps think and go, instead of speak, might be more efficient, like using one of our advanced fighter helmets that monitors the brain.




Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: The Seeker on October 30, 2013, 05:53:13 pm

D, perhaps think and go, instead of speak, might be more efficient, like using one of our advanced fighter helmets that monitors the brain.

Sounds like the headgear Phil Corso described in his book, 51...


seeker
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: deuem on October 30, 2013, 10:32:40 pm
think and go would be so confusing for a UFO if they had my wife a the controls. it would need to stop at every clothes store along the way. Jam into reverse all the time for the ones that were seen after we pasted them and send me into the bulkhead.
 
For me it would fly me to a bar or some girls street. Hey guys think sex how often....
 
In other words, past the silly stuff I just wrote, how could it tell which idea to listen too. Maybe with a highly trained fighter pilot yea, Ok, but when this hits the streets, I don't know! If it was voice activated I think you would have to train it. Like home, we all have a differnt home. Like the favorites in your browser, it would need a list of your locations. Then it would be home, home 2, home 3 and so on. Moon 1, moon 2.   Saturn Moon 1..... Earth solar system. It would end up being a list of every where you ever went or stopped along the way.
 
In the city control systems would be able to run slower because the speed is low. Jump up to the air roads and stage 2 kicks in, jump up to long distance and stage 3 kicks in. Jump up to space, stage 4 kicks in. Jump up to military and stage 5 kicks in. We will never get stage 5. Something like that should happen. IMHO
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: sky otter on October 31, 2013, 11:56:36 am


well i think thought patterns are like fingerprints and individual..
but what do i know.. ;D
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: guohua on December 02, 2013, 08:35:45 pm
Hello everyone, I'd like to Thank, A51Watcher for inviting me here.

First off, I've been all over the World. First for the Military and then the U S Government. That's how I met My Wife, Lucky Me ;D
Working in China.
I've been interested in UFO's from a young age, I know Buck Rogers and Robby the Robot in Forbidden Planet and other shows had me hooked.
Now my wife has seen two UFO's when she was young and walking with her Dad next to the Songhua River in their home city.
The first was the classical saucer shaped, very shinny and about 12 meters in diameter and about 3 meters high in the center her father said. It was hovering just above the river and not making any sounds. He retired as the Lead Hydraulics Engineer at the University of Hydraulics in Harbin. My wife was about 10 years old at this time.

Again while walking along the Songhua River when my wife was 12 or 13 they seen the Cigar shaped UFO, again hovering about 2 meters above the river and silent. Mr. Y seemed to think this one was at least, 1/10 of a kilometer, What is that, 100 meters :o
and blunt at both ends. I should say they tell me they craft left very smoothly and with out noise and not in any Hurry, Very Casually like nothing was going to bother them and they knew it.

At the time, early 60's Very Early,,, My wife thought it was the Americans coming to Kill and Eat the Chinese like she'd Been Taught
in School.
Her father suspect UFO's more than anything else. He explained to his very frightened young daughter that the Americans didn't have a Real Taste For Skinny Stringy Chinese Kids, Americans Like Steak and Potato's.
My father in law said he remember my wife getting this Blank Look On Her Face and Asking, Daddy, What is this Steak? ;D

I've been trying hard but haven't had any luck yet, my wife believes and she's sure they visited us in the past.
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: dasioux777 on December 02, 2013, 09:42:26 pm
At first my eyes kept seeing it concave with steps or ladder n the left side it took a min to as upward structue. weird....concave theories would be able coseal but vsv proposed for ?intreging.
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on December 02, 2013, 10:53:07 pm
Hey Guohua,
That's a cool story mate. Do you think that area of china has any history of UFOs ? Are there folk tales or military or nuclear facilities near?
Elvis.
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: guohua on December 02, 2013, 11:52:16 pm
think and go would be so confusing for a UFO if they had my wife a the controls. it would need to stop at every clothes store along the way. Jam into reverse all the time for the ones that were seen after we pasted them and send me into the bulkhead.
 
For me it would fly me to a bar or some girls street. Hey guys think sex how often....
 
In other words, past the silly stuff I just wrote, how could it tell which idea to listen too. Maybe with a highly trained fighter pilot yea, Ok, but when this hits the streets, I don't know! If it was voice activated I think you would have to train it. Like home, we all have a differnt home. Like the favorites in your browser, it would need a list of your locations. Then it would be home, home 2, home 3 and so on. Moon 1, moon 2.   Saturn Moon 1..... Earth solar system. It would end up being a list of every where you ever went or stopped along the way.
 
In the city control systems would be able to run slower because the speed is low. Jump up to the air roads and stage 2 kicks in, jump up to long distance and stage 3 kicks in. Jump up to space, stage 4 kicks in. Jump up to military and stage 5 kicks in. We will never get stage 5. Something like that should happen. IMHO

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think and go would be so confusing for a UFO if they had my wife a the controls. it would need to stop at every clothes store along the way. Jam into reverse all the time for the ones that were seen after we pasted them and send me into the bulkhead.

Sounds like a Chinese driver, I won't even ride in the car if my wife is driving, I'll take an Ambulance for a Broken Toe to go across the street before I'll ride in a car with her driving! :(
She scare me with my eye closed! :-[
Just can't even imagine her driving something that defies gravity!!! My God!!! The Moon Won't Be A Safe Place! :o
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: deuem on December 03, 2013, 12:17:53 am
Then you know the drivers here. They drive like they are the only ones on the road. It was very hard to get used to no rules or little rules. I should say, no camera no rules. But once you are used to it, you expect it. On thought control for the average person, well I can't see that happening with the common masses. The computer would need to be larger than the car/ufo  Going ahead with GPS and just stating a location, I can see. the craft then takes control and you can sleep in the back. Even smoke or drink. You're not driving. That automation I would like and also be able to take over manual when need be. But to put the actual driving into one of their heads. Find me a bunker to live in.
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: guohua on December 03, 2013, 01:10:36 am
Hey Guohua,
That's a cool story mate. Do you think that area of china has any history of UFOs ? Are there folk tales or military or nuclear facilities near?
Elvis.

Hi, Actually, No nuclear plants anywhere close, except for what there is in N.K. which is Very close to Harbin China, but that river runs no where close to Korea.
But Russia, YES! Mongolia YES! Military, YES!
The Japanese had a head quarters and lots of troops very close to the river and Harbin during WWII, my father in law was part of a Chinese Cell of Freedom Fighters that Sabotage the Japanese lines of communications and rail road and trucking.
They also treated Australian, American and British soldiers when they could help.
My Mother in law was a field nurse and explosives expert.

Here are pictures of my the Provence my wife home city is in.
Many of these picture will be of the military posted to that part of China for training and because of N. Korea and the Russian border.
The Chinese Military and the Russians do train together in the VERY COLD Climate of Northern China and South East Russia on the Southern end of Siberia.
https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+military+in+Heilongjiang+province+China&rlz=1C1SAVI_enUS508&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tZGdUojvNKb7yAHF-oGQDQ&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=774 (https://www.google.com/search?q=chinese+military+in+Heilongjiang+province+China&rlz=1C1SAVI_enUS508&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tZGdUojvNKb7yAHF-oGQDQ&ved=0CDsQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=774)
 
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on September 12, 2016, 07:47:04 pm


Boxy - The daylight OP video in this thread shows more background of Area 51 than most other videos.

Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: funbox on September 12, 2016, 07:52:11 pm

Boxy - The daylight OP video in this thread shows more background of Area 51 than most other videos.


same camera used ?.. ill gander tomorrow

funbox
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: A51Watcher on September 12, 2016, 10:42:18 pm

same camera used ?.. ill gander tomorrow

funbox

Same vintage circa 1990 VHS camcorder brand unknown.

Not me in the footage, just another member of the Area 51 tourist club.

Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: UFOOWNER on March 25, 2017, 12:22:11 pm
Out at Area 51 "We step inside for the nightmare. Pure destruction stands before them. No escape as the Beings bring them pain. The goal line starts there!" Terrestrial officers Tyler and Denver On Collecting their Work vehicle a greenish gray black colored metal sphere UFO out at Area 51
Title: Re: Welcome To Area 51
Post by: UFOOWNER on March 30, 2017, 01:54:23 pm
Out at Area 51 We step inside for the nightmare. Pure destruction stands before them. No escape as the entities bring them pain. The goal line starts there. Terrestrial officers Tyler and Denver On Collecting their Work Vehicle a UFO out at Area 51 Just as Jesus paid for our sins up on the Cross so was our work vehicle  a UFO paid for in a similar manner. Try about a million crosses all at once on a person and how painful that would be. This dreaded collection process is the reason for the super sensitive spooky atmosphere out at Area 51

"Remember that UFO you recovered a wicked long time ago Well terrestrial officer Denver thinks he left his wallet in it."