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UFO's and Aliens => UFO's and Aliens => Topic started by: zorgon on September 02, 2014, 04:15:24 pm

Title: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: zorgon on September 02, 2014, 04:15:24 pm
A very long time ago....

In A galaxy now merging with this one...



Before "Ancient Aliens" was a term anyone was familiar with, I watched a debate on TV show in Toronto. It was this show that started me on the path of research that led to where I am today.

The show was the Pierre Berton Show. It was a debate format


On the one side was a lady Archaeologist. She had all the degrees and was considered an expert in her field

On the other side was then unknown Eric von Danekin, author of "Chariots of the Gods"  a book that cause instant stir challenging religious and scientific beliefs at the time

Pierre Berton was often a  critiques of mainstream religion so this was right up his alley. Turns out Pierre is a family member on my wife's side

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Pierre_Berton_and_Ruby_the_cat.png/220px-Pierre_Berton_and_Ruby_the_cat.png)

During the course of the debate Eric would present items and the archaeologist would rebut them

At the end of the debate Pierre said to Eric  "While I do not agree with your findings, I never the less declare you winner of this debate because of how you handled yourself"

Subject of the debate was Ancient Aliens and how Eric believed that certain artifacts and landmarks around the world are signs of past Alien visitations. At the time his book came out this was a relatively new concept

Now what made me interested was that every time Eric presented an item, he did so calmly, and ALWAYS maintained "This is how I interpret it, you will have to research and make up your own mind"

To this day he still uses that philosophy... merely presents his finds, offers his interpretation and leaves it to the reader to decide in the end

On the other side the "lady" expert, every time Pierre asked her for her version of what these items represents she had no answer. All she did was raise her voice, get agitated and finally resorted to name calling and character assassination. She called into question where Eric had received schooling while pontificating which degrees she had

All the while Eric smiled and stuck to his presentation. Never returned attack, just simply asked her to explain the items

Moral of the story...

It's not whether you are right or wrong that matters, its how you present the material that wins people over.

The minute you start attacking the opponent or resorting to name calling, you HAVE LOST the debate, no matter which side has the truth

Something to ponder when posting in a forum

 ::)
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: The Seeker on September 02, 2014, 05:20:43 pm
Aye, m'lord  8)

present the findings of your research calmly and with cool demeaner...

also state sources and qualifications, then quietly give your opinions as such...


seeker
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: Shasta56 on September 02, 2014, 06:41:08 pm
One of my favorite "stock answers," is "Hmm, I never thought about it that way.  Interesting."  My favorite "stock answer" for cranky patients is "You have the right to request a different caregiver if you feel that your needs are not being met." 

Shasta
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: Norval on September 02, 2014, 08:19:59 pm
"Chariots of the Gods"

Never to be forgotten, , ,

, , , and I can't think of a "name" I haven't been called at one time or another in these forum discussions.  ;)
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: rdunk on September 02, 2014, 08:30:20 pm
"Chariots of the Gods"

Never to be forgotten, , ,

, , , and I can't think of a "name" I haven't been called at one time or another in these forum discussions.  ;)

Thank goodness Norval, that type of "name calling" is generally not allowed on this forum!! I assume you mostly mean "other" forums?  :)
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: Sinny on September 03, 2014, 01:45:25 am
I'd like to hear more about how Z 'got into this', have you had your own close encounter?

And I vote Obfuscation...

One thing that just dawned on me, well yesterday, is that all the past civilisations who have supposedly had these encounters and interactions have all ended up detroyed ... 
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: onetruekeeper on October 01, 2014, 03:54:38 pm
Are E.T.'s really physical beings or are they something else? I am inclined to believe that most are non-physical life-forms. Perhaps they were physical once like ourselves but they have evolved to become creatures of pure thought. Somehow from their disembodied state they are able to manipulate matter and energy.
This clip from the Communion movie might raise some questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HycwR6Z9c
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: rdunk on October 01, 2014, 08:07:16 pm
Are E.T.'s really physical beings or are they something else? I am inclined to believe that most are non-physical life-forms. Perhaps they were physical once like ourselves but they have evolved to become creatures of pure thought. Somehow from their disembodied state they are able to manipulate matter and energy.
This clip from the Communion movie might raise some questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30HycwR6Z9c

Onetruekeeper (and others), If you want to see a "physical ET" - check out my recent OP in the Mars Anomalies forum - "A Real Extraterrestrial On Mars?" At least that is the way I see it - a physical sitting humanoid looking body, up to the head. :)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: onetruekeeper on October 05, 2014, 09:31:22 am
Onetruekeeper (and others), If you want to see a "physical ET" - check out my recent OP in the Mars Anomalies forum - "A Real Extraterrestrial On Mars?" At least that is the way I see it - a physical sitting humanoid looking body, up to the head. :)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7268.0
Mars seems like a planet that once had a advanced technological civilization but the life forms there misused their technology and most likely destroyed themselves with their own hubris. I believe we are also close to that crossroad. I think most technological civilizations "out there" have become extinct due to warfare and genocide or through some catastrophe caused by their misuse of technology. That is why I believe most of the E.T's that survived that are coming here are not physical. They have managed to pass through their dangerous technological phase of existence and are no longer dependent on them. Since physical bodies are too dependent on matter and energy for it's survival therefore forcing the use of technology, it most likely dawned on the advance races that it might be better to live in a non corporeal state using only the powers of the mind ( which is limitless ).
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: fansongecho on July 27, 2017, 11:24:24 pm
Hi Gang,

I am fascinated by this subject and came across this document after watching the latest Camelot JL interview -

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter5.htm

Does anyone have any links or info on the Cherry Hinkle lady that John mentioned in his interview other than what is already on the web please?

TIA :-)

Cheers!
Fans'
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: The Seeker on July 28, 2017, 03:44:43 am
Hi Gang,

I am fascinated by this subject and came across this document after watching the latest Camelot JL interview -

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce/chapter5.htm

Does anyone have any links or info on the Cherry Hinkle lady that John mentioned in his interview other than what is already on the web please?

TIA :-)

Cheers!
Fans'
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1573.msg131401#msg131401 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1573.msg131401#msg131401)
John Lear broke the story about Dulce long ago; as mentioned in the link above, the only source for anything Dulce is Cherry Hinkle; I was with Zorgon and John the night John gave Zorgon all his hand written notes  on Dulce...

Seeker

Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: fansongecho on July 28, 2017, 04:29:33 am
wowsers! -  :) as you can see I am playing catch-up and there is so much stuff on the web that is either disinfo, or plain wrong and I am pinging stuff out to see what is correct or incorrect, I have found this last 3 years that the more I scrap away at the surface the deeper and more twisted the rabbit hole becomes, as I have said before I am a very sceptical believer - and sifting fact from fiction is quite challenging, did you think the S4 informer 6 hour video was totally genuine ?.  I got the feeling it really was.

Just while I am on and have your attention for a short while I heard a Linda M-H radio interview with a ex-army intel officer about a area of Alaska that was off limits and had never been mapped, I forget the name of the exact area but the story sounded amazing, and I was wondering if there was any follow-up audio/video of this interview ?  The crux of the story was that there was allegedly a huge pyramid under a mountain out there.

Sorry for all the questions and thanks for all the answers.

Fans'  :)
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: The Seeker on July 28, 2017, 04:33:49 am
I am not aware of any part od Alaska that has not been mapped or is that highly restricted  8)

For LMH try www.earthfiles.com (http://www.earthfiles.com)

 8)

Seeker
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: fansongecho on July 28, 2017, 04:41:22 am
Hi Seeker, found the interview, it was on a Dreamland cast-
this is the link to the full interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_frTdqu6rds

Have a great weekend !

Fans'
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: fansongecho on July 28, 2017, 04:46:10 am
Just found this as well http://www.think-aboutit.com/is-there-a-large-pyramid-underground-between-mt-mckinley-and-nome-alaska-2/

I am looking maps now.. I will post if I find something -

cheers!

F  :D
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: rdunk on July 28, 2017, 08:50:02 am
A conversation with the guy that raised the question about a pyramid or something hidden in Alaska. Pretty interesting seemingly personal account, while a warrant officer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKc0Il8fEKQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKc0Il8fEKQ)
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: Littleenki on July 28, 2017, 09:14:15 am
A very long time ago....

In A galaxy now merging with this one...



Before "Ancient Aliens" was a term anyone was familiar with, I watched a debate on TV show in Toronto. It was this show that started me on the path of research that led to where I am today.

The show was the Pierre Berton Show. It was a debate format


On the one side was a lady Archaeologist. She had all the degrees and was considered an expert in her field

On the other side was then unknown Eric von Danekin, author of "Chariots of the Gods"  a book that cause instant stir challenging religious and scientific beliefs at the time

Pierre Berton was often a  critiques of mainstream religion so this was right up his alley. Turns out Pierre is a family member on my wife's side

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7e/Pierre_Berton_and_Ruby_the_cat.png/220px-Pierre_Berton_and_Ruby_the_cat.png)

During the course of the debate Eric would present items and the archaeologist would rebut them

At the end of the debate Pierre said to Eric  "While I do not agree with your findings, I never the less declare you winner of this debate because of how you handled yourself"

Subject of the debate was Ancient Aliens and how Eric believed that certain artifacts and landmarks around the world are signs of past Alien visitations. At the time his book came out this was a relatively new concept

Now what made me interested was that every time Eric presented an item, he did so calmly, and ALWAYS maintained "This is how I interpret it, you will have to research and make up your own mind"

To this day he still uses that philosophy... merely presents his finds, offers his interpretation and leaves it to the reader to decide in the end

On the other side the "lady" expert, every time Pierre asked her for her version of what these items represents she had no answer. All she did was raise her voice, get agitated and finally resorted to name calling and character assassination. She called into question where Eric had received schooling while pontificating which degrees she had

All the while Eric smiled and stuck to his presentation. Never returned attack, just simply asked her to explain the items

Moral of the story...

It's not whether you are right or wrong that matters, its how you present the material that wins people over.

The minute you start attacking the opponent or resorting to name calling, you HAVE LOST the debate, no matter which side has the truth

Something to ponder when posting in a forum

 ::)

This is exactly why I have seen you as a wise teacher of researchers, Z, Ive learned a great deal from my time spent here from you, Seeker, Thor and many others.

There is always two sides to any story, regardless of how wild and crazy one side may or may not be, and to ignore or dismiss one side is akin to ignoring oxygen's very existence, while breathing it to live.

On the latest comments of pyramids "under the ground", Ive always thought there is a secondary element to pyramids, whereas the area beneath the pyramid is either a metaphorical form, or an actual physical aspect of the above ground portion. Considering the amount of underground elements of the GP, and tunnels found in many subsurface sites where pyramids are or were, theres something to be said for how a pyramid might just be a frosting upon a vastly more interesting cake.

Along with the idea of Dulce-like places..ancient or modern...I feel the underground portion of our planet holds all the answers to not only past civilizations, but to clues of those who may have visited here, and how the locals built megalithic edifices to protect themselves from whatever those visitors were.

Could things falling from the sky, have been lifeforms? Or were they just fire and brimstone? or...both?

Dolmens, megalithic complexes, Pyramids, while some say might be piezoelectric in nature, to me seem like hideyholes for something important at that spot underground, which have been long concealed by geological activity.

Just my three cents..

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: The Seeker on July 28, 2017, 12:06:14 pm
Here is another about it from LMH


https://youtu.be/RB08GwXDjiw
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: The Seeker on July 29, 2017, 03:19:36 am
Quote
This is exactly why I have seen you as a wise teacher of researchers, Z, Ive learned a great deal from my time spent here from you, Seeker, Thor and many others.

Thank you for the kind words, Lil Enki;  8) Have a spot of Gold
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: yazzie03 on December 23, 2017, 10:38:44 am
Personally i find it not only hard,but also foolish to accept everything mainstream archaeologists propose. But on the other hand i am not really a big alien fan,and i do not have a theory of mine which i am radical about.I simply like being skeptic and more importantly always trying to find reason in everything.That being said,let's move on to the actual review.

Info : http://moviesonline.gy/watch/pxwkknxz-ancient-aliens-season-12.html
Title: Re: ALIENS - Real or Obfuscation? or "How I got into this mess!"
Post by: zorgon on May 09, 2018, 08:19:43 pm
William Pullin
Posted at FB (https://www.facebook.com/groups/825663274173679/permalink/1955017527904909/)  ยท May 4 at 1:53pm
The Jaroslaw Brothers Hoax..


....teenaged brothers Dan and Grant Jaroslaw testified that on January 9th of 1967 they witnessed an unidentified flying object hovering over Lake St. Clair from their vantage point on Mount Clemens in Michigan state. The brothers stated that the object promptly took off at speed in a southeasterly direction, but that they had managed to take four photographs of the UFO. The photographs were published in multiple newspapers and UFO-related publications and eventually analyzed by the U.S. Air Force's Project Blue Book.

The official conclusion given by Blue Book was "insufficient data for evaluation", as the Air Force was unable to examine the original negatives. Later, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Project Blue Book's scientific consultant, stated "analysis so far does not show any indication of a possible hoax". As time passed, the images were generally accepted as authentic by the UFO research community, however in 1976, the brothers wrote a letter to Dr. Hynek confessing that they had hoaxed the photographs and had let the situation get out of hand. They wrote that the reported "UFO" was a model suspended with a fine thread.

(http://golancourses.net/2012spring/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ufo-hoax-083a.jpg)

(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31912781_2007023086279687_1969969089128431616_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeGg38-Q70qWJAs5vfW0HuGPdIzKcobiyHCz17eCytLDiWDl_HLB9zTE8UQ6xEfkG-gD_oB5PzPzTOzHsWj19d_gINVtnNjeLVhIwb9YnW_dGg&oh=ab358ccb988a6385e8da6cb570410862&oe=5B52368D)

(https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31898754_2007023112946351_6087874730558226432_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEvJ9gZJQN1dM2m8PcGH-RleAGDBUQMK6IF-GawP1yNccwYszo2yK7btBSLzhA2YKSLCUJ_--u9d8xBFktSBuBR6E-cF9UcxURmnpWxAk5e8A&oh=5499038e2257105b5ce7a4f061d31911&oe=5B9BBCC4)