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Title: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 11:55:01 am
Here is something to make your noodle squirm.
Is the speed of light infinite or finite?  Let's suppose the universe is finite in size and I have a light bulb that can illuminate the whole of it.  When I flip the switch, is the whole universe lit up at once or is the light going to take trillions of years to reach the ends of it?
We all know that physicists are measuring the speed of light all the time and we even have a exact speed of how fast light is. But suppose light speed is infinite and the light detectors the physicists are using is giving the impression that light takes time to travel through space but in reality it is not the light that is taking time but the detectors themselves that are taking time to respond to the presence of light. But some would argue that if you placed the detector further away from the light source, it would take longer for the light to reach the detector for it to react. True..that could be one possible explanation but another could be that when a light detector is place further away from the light source, it will respond later than the one closer to it because that is the way nature has set it up and it does not mean that light has a finite speed. Perhaps one way to test this theory is to construct several light detectors with different light sensitive materials. Each detector will be placed at the same distance from the light source and will be used to determine the speed of light. If all the detectors show the same results then the speed of light is most likely finite. But if the detectors show variations in the speed of light then it could mean that the speed of light was infinite and it was the detectors themselves that took time to respond to the light. What do you think?
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 12:21:11 pm
well it doesnt light up all at once.i had this argument in the seventh grade with my electronics teacher.but the moon laser proved me right.if some one makes a component read what one wants it to read then thats cheating.we dont cheat here.
i may sound like i coming off harsh but im not.we are kinda disciplined in our arts here ,so it shows sometimes.t :)

cheers?
hey guys,we got another brit here.speakup sinny.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 29, 2014, 12:31:06 pm
for what its worth, light doesnt travel at all, it occurs as a result of field interactions.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 12:34:59 pm
the wave travels?
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 12:43:53 pm
I hope some physics department would try out the suggestions I made and published the results. I am curious myself.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: WarToad on July 29, 2014, 12:45:36 pm
Pretty sure light speed is finite as you can bounce lazers off distant objects (Moon) and record the time it takes for the return of that light.  That has nothing to do with the sensors being slow, but rather the distance being traveled.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 12:55:28 pm
Pretty sure light speed is finite as you can bounce lazers off distant objects (Moon) and record the time it takes for the return of that light.  That has nothing to do with the sensors being slow, but rather the distance being traveled.
But we are coming back to the issue of the detectors again because we still have to rely on them to take the measurements.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 01:02:04 pm
its called a telescope and your eyes.the reflector is still up there.it hasnt moved .yet,high zorgon. 8)
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: WarToad on July 29, 2014, 01:08:03 pm
I think you're attempting to prove a negative.  If you're not accepting detection methods as accurate, then you can never measure anything.  Your speculation remains speculation because nothing can prove your theory.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 01:12:29 pm
its called a telescope and your eyes.the reflector is still up there.it hasnt moved .yet,high zorgon. 8)
I am sure you are aware that even our eyes and the brain needs time to process the light signals. So we are not really seeings things as they happen but as they happened.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 01:18:58 pm
I think you're attempting to prove a negative.  If you're not accepting detection methods as accurate, then you can never measure anything.  Your speculation remains speculation because nothing can prove your theory.
I am not saying detection methods are inaccurate or unacceptable, what I am saying is that science has not provided absolute evidence that light has finite speed and that other paradigms could be just as valid.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 01:27:19 pm
yes but science is a foundation on which to build upon.if we started using any old rock on the great pyramid.the whole thing on the ground.were the guys that double check all angles on block before setting it.im not saying your wrong.i havent done the test myself and if you were right then it would destoy years of validation in other fields too.so i say your theory is on shaky ground at best.
more details on your own reason for believing your idea would be helpful.
remember,we are the guys who outed john hutchinsons latest invention as a fraud.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 01:42:00 pm
Oh? How did you guys prove he was a fraud? That's news to me.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 29, 2014, 01:42:22 pm
There was an Interesting German Scientist known as  Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Wolfgang_von_Goethe



Goethe's Theory of Colours, Part 1



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfVlENcHbU[/youtube]





What is/or the nature of the speed of Light, with in a "1st Person Video/Computer Game" ?   :)

Re. "The Holographic Universe"; If what we experience is a "1st Person game" of LIFE,
then perhaps the human Primates interpretation of the nature of Light, may in fact be misunderstood ?

The universe may in fact be a very, very, small "Holograph" displayed in our Visual Cortex of the brain
linked to a Computer system Not unlike that of a "Mainframe" ?

All our processes even within the brain, involves Form (Geometric Form) and the experience of form
in a variety of different forms.

a.    Sight
b.    Sound
c.    Touch
d.    Smell
e.    Taste
f.     Thought
g.    Emotions
etc. etc.
are all different functions of experiencing Geometric form ! (Image of a Universe and its Contents)

All (this universe) may be nothing more, than a Highly Sophisticated Computer Program or the result
of the playing of Software taking place in what some of the Ancients referred to as "The Place of LIFE",
in itself a Non Dimensional "Environment".

IF this is the case then our Interpretation of Light may in fact be misplaced or misinterpreted ?

Just maybe, LIGHT does NOT in fact involve Velocity and it is ONLY the human interpretation
involving the apparent or Interpreted "Rate of change" taking place in "The NOW" ?
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 01:47:03 pm
the search button in top right,just type in john hutchinson.it broke my heart too,as i was a jh fan.sometimes the truth hurts,when playing chess with the gods.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 29, 2014, 01:56:16 pm
Thank you, Matrix, and Robo.

As I said, my perception of the masters of reality is that everything is composed of light, and that which is all does not have to travel as it is already there, and we see it as humanly visible spectrum through field interaction, or current density differentials in the All.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 01:58:17 pm
If my speculations prove to be correct, I wonder what will happen to Einstein's famous equation:  E=mc squared? 
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 29, 2014, 02:08:27 pm
in an absolute vacuum,theres no such thing as a absolute vacuum.so his equatuons are off by just a little .thats why faster than light travel may be possible.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 29, 2014, 02:13:20 pm
If my speculations prove to be correct, I wonder what will happen to Einstein's famous equation:  E=mc squared?

Maybe it is ONLY an illusion ?

And will be exposed in the NOT so distant future.

Einstein like Most human Scientists can ONLY observe the Experience and NOT WAHT is producing it ?

But then some are able to both access the Processing System and at the very least observe its WORKINGS ...  :)

HOW what experienced is produced, and WHAT is being Experienced are 2 Completely different subjects,
and neither one is the same as the other ...   :)

A bit like that "1st Person Game" and its "Software" !

But rest assured anyone can both see the "Processing System" of LIFE and observe its WORKINGS...   :)
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 29, 2014, 02:24:42 pm
in an absolute vacuum,theres no such thing as a absolute vacuum.so his equatuons are off by just a little .thats why faster than light travel may be possible.
How can something be in something that doesn't exist in the first place?
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 29, 2014, 02:36:26 pm
for what its worth, light doesnt travel at all, it occurs as a result of field interactions.
Bingo, as Matrix would say.
the 'speed' of light is not constant, as we are led to believe, it is rather more a local occurence, as L.E. suggests.
The 'speed' of gravity, now that's a good one, go ask a teacher or lecturer, what is the speed of gravity, they can answer only 2 ways (both are wrong as it happens)...
Either, they will answer that it's the same speed as light,,,,WRONG!
Go ask an astronomer...

OR; they will say it is a force like magnetism & therefore has no 'speed' as such.

WRONG again, even a force (or a change in said force) needs time to propagate, there are exceptions to this in ether physics, but let's just play it by the book for now.
Several noted sources have ascertained that gravity travels at or around 64c, or 64 times the speed of light. Immediately this gives big problems with both QM and GR, both are upheld in science mainstream & education, but they are also completely contradictory at this point.
OK i have to sleep & work,be back later peeps :D
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 29, 2014, 02:49:30 pm
The "Velocity" in question is the Interpretation of the Software.

Just as the "1st Person" multi player Game is an interpretation of its software, appearing on screen
in the context/form of Images.   :)

So to is the case with regard to what is believed to be a huge universe.

It is ONLY seen as being huge, by the Interpretation of what is Producing its Images.

And all that we experience is being interpreted through a "Pseudo Processor" we call the brain.

So to understand, we need to look at the "Processes" involved, in manifesting what we interpret
as the species, and the real source/origin we are observing all this from.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 29, 2014, 03:03:31 pm
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It is ONLY seen as being huge, by the Interpretation of what is Producing its Images.

Well that's kind of what i mean, 'distance' just like 'velocity' or 'time' have no real meaning, they are just ideas we use to try & visualise things we really don't understand, LOL
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: onetruekeeper on July 30, 2014, 12:55:53 pm
Well that's kind of what i mean, 'distance' just like 'velocity' or 'time' have no real meaning, they are just ideas we use to try & visualise things we really don't understand, LOL
Speaking of visualization, we look at the world in 2D do we not? You know..X-axis, Y-axis. But can we really see the z-axis? 3D
 The only way we perceive the 3rd dimension is if we feel it with our hands or see it in 2D in perspective form. Maybe 3D is just an illusion, a trick of perception and the world is actually only 2D?
That would mean that there is no actual "depth" to anything and that distance really doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 30, 2014, 01:53:04 pm
If my speculations prove to be correct, I wonder what will happen to Einstein's famous equation:  E=mc squared?
Ahhh, good fun for the mathheads here.....what happened to Einsteins equation? Stephen Crothers happened, thats what! :)

[youtube]Q185InpONK4&app=desktop[/youtube]
Gday!
Le

Fixed!...pwm..
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 30, 2014, 01:55:34 pm
And...speaking of dimension.....weeeee here we go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37DwuvIneIE

To infinity and beyond!

Le
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 30, 2014, 02:44:15 pm
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Speaking of visualization, we look at the world in 2D do we not? You know..X-axis, Y-axis. But can we really see the z-axis? 3D
 The only way we perceive the 3rd dimension is if we feel it with our hands or see it in 2D in perspective form. Maybe 3D is just an illusion, a trick of perception and the world is actually only 2D?
That would mean that there is no actual "depth" to anything and that distance really doesn't exist.

BINGO !


You are definitely onto it .....   :)

Its all about "Processing", involving 2 "Processing Systems",

a.     a "Pseudo Processor", we refer to as the brain,
and
b.     a "Conceptual Processing System", few know about in the Program. (Earth environment)

Our visualisation of this environment (the Uni9verse) is displayed or presented inside our Individual
"Conceptual Processing System" within a Larger one not unlike a "Conceptual Mainframe".

The Difficulty most have is understanding "Conceptual Processing Systems" and to Interfacing with them !   :)

Yet we use or take part in a "Conceptual Processing System" producing what we believe or interpret as
this Environment. (Earth & Universe)

When in fact this is a very small "Holograph" seen in the Region of our Visual Cortex but NOT by the brain itself,
as the brain in this area of function acts as a Decoder/Encoder,  but by a "Partition" of LIFE (The "True Mind"
referred to or found in some ancient writings)

The "Map" (Structure) can be seen by anyone !    Given the right conditions !

We should NOT assume, that what we see is external of this "Conceptual Processing System", except contained
in "Conceptual based Libraries", in the form of "Script" and "Geometric Images".
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Back on July 30, 2014, 03:16:29 pm
To answer this question.

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If my speculations prove to be correct, I wonder what will happen to Einstein's famous equation:  E=mc squared?

Einstein is not 100% correct. THink about this E=MC^ via or by the way of 1/2MV ^2

A lot of people are thinking about that 8)

Yea and I think MT is also correct.

Bless
Back
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 30, 2014, 03:18:34 pm
Yes, Matrix has an angle on this that is not to be ignored, please understand, that i try to understand him, and that what he says makes a lot of sense!
Thanks MT i was about to comment on the 2-d perception modal as being the likely one, but you beat me to it, bless you mate, ;D
Glad to see everybody's back on form 8)
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 30, 2014, 03:23:18 pm
Back, you are not wrong :D
I once figured gravity as being more like E=MC^3 than anything else, and to simplify it even further, just think of it as E=M and forget the false notion of 'light'.
I don't know why, but i know Matrix will agree with me on this..........
Time to sleep i guess.......
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: 1967sander on July 30, 2014, 03:50:04 pm
Light is nothing but electromagnetic energy. Electric magnetic energy is electromagnetic waves and these waves are frequencies. Frequencies can be bend by force fields like gravity. Light that travels through space is subject to the gravity of stars, galaxies, planets, moons and asteroids. Basically every object with mass has its own gravitational force. Light is therefore never at a constant speed. In fact  gravity pulls at electromagnetic and this cause the waves to stretch. By doing so the frequency of the waves or wavelength stretches and the frequency becomes lower and the waves travel slower as the path is longer.
Light speed only is constant when light is not affected by gravity. In our universe this is never the case.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 30, 2014, 04:01:44 pm
Yes everything is made of LIGHT, but Light has yet to be understood on Earth !

It is by "Script" that all appears and is experienced.

Some of the Ancients referred to this Script as "The Word" whereby all things are made manifest !
(Nothing at all to do with any religion !)

Which all came from a "Geometric Algorithm" INZ


I refer to this "Algorithm" as INZ because the 1st Concept was "To & Fro"
(in the form of a Conceptual  Linear Oscillation)

The "N" was formed from "To & Fro" synchronised in both the x and y axis.

And the "Z" is a Rotation of the "N" ... The 2nd Concept was Rotation, hence the Algorithm INZ   :)

There are ONLY 2 basic building blocks ... (form)

a.    Straight,
and
b.    Curved.

All is presented through these 2

I challenge anyone to reveal any other "shape", which is neither curved, straight or made up of these 2 !
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2014, 04:34:28 pm
the singularity?
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: astr0144 on July 30, 2014, 05:53:06 pm
Only had a quick browse at this thread...Not got around to reading the thread in detail as yet..

This may have some connection or association to a TV program that I was on a week or two ago that I caught part of it...

About the theory that Speed of Light being variable...

VSL  or Variable Speed of Light....

Some Scientist came up with a theory but as yet has to try to prove it...

But it may be as good as many other similar theories that come around..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_speed_of_light
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2014, 07:14:39 pm
im not a math physicist but the argument is that einsteins equations are all based on absolute vacuum.if this is true then there is a high posibility of ftl.i heard this explaination a year ago on that vid that was posted somewhere on peggy.that explains why his equations are good in real life but not perfect to the nth degree.its this minor perturbation of there always being something in a vacuum.this is why i dont believe deep space has nothing in it.if a vacuum of the strongest type cant seperate a particle into electrons protons and neutrons then why should we expect it so in deep space.
deep space is hydrogen in a vacuum,giant gas molecules.with almost no motion.a grid of such.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: A51Watcher on July 30, 2014, 07:47:04 pm
Light is nothing but electromagnetic energy. Electric magnetic energy is electromagnetic waves and these waves are frequencies. Frequencies can be bend by force fields like gravity. Light that travels through space is subject to the gravity of stars, galaxies, planets, moons and asteroids. Basically every object with mass has its own gravitational force. Light is therefore never at a constant speed. In fact  gravity pulls at electromagnetic and this cause the waves to stretch. By doing so the frequency of the waves or wavelength stretches and the frequency becomes lower and the waves travel slower as the path is longer.
Light speed only is constant when light is not affected by gravity. In our universe this is never the case.


I agree Sander. Our observations of the universe from Hubble give corroboration to your statements.

Light being bent by gravity is what astronomers notice as gravity lensing.


It often causes multiple distorted images of the same galaxy to appear to us.

I posted several examples of this in a thread called gravity lensing here -

link to thread (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6883.0)


I read up on this because it turns out that at times UFO's produce their own gravity lensing.



 
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2014, 08:40:45 pm
i believe the tech you talk of is the same tech that can make invisibility.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: The Matrix Traveller on July 30, 2014, 08:41:17 pm
The "Answers" can't be found by studying the end result ! (Environment or Universe)

The Answers can only be found in the "System" which produces the "Illusion" (Experience i.e. your body
and Environment) out of "Nothing" in the 1st place.


One may well ask; HOW can something be made from "Nothing" ?

This involves "Communication", much like the case involving "1st Person Gaming Software"
but a little more sophisticated than any human design.   :)

More through the human species still needs to discovered, about "Conceptual Processing Systems",
and HOW to make practical use of them.   :)

Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: A51Watcher on July 30, 2014, 08:53:45 pm
i believe the tech you talk of is the same tech that can make invisibility.


Well yes if you can bend light around yourself, then you would be invisible in certain directions, but in others you would still be exposed.

See Bob's quote in the lensing thread.


Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 30, 2014, 09:11:58 pm
Has anyone ever thought about nebulosity, plasma effects and water which is throughout the universe and how it makes an anomaly such as gravitational lensing seem plausible?

A weak force such as gravity bending light to me does not make sense, but then Im no mainstream astrophysicist.

Light occurring in nebulous features and being observed through water which is supended in the plasma of space makes much more sense to me, perhaps I am wrong, but thats what I would look at.

Heres something that might be applicable here....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckBfKPAGNM[/youtube]

Not to argue or contradict anyone here, just sharing some thoughts.

Cheers
Le
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2014, 09:41:17 pm
water in  space is ice crystals that would defract and absorb light.any other stasis its in will be on a gravitational  body.even the ice would evaparorate to hydrogen and oxygen due to ionizing radiation.imho.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 30, 2014, 09:44:14 pm
if my theory is right about gravity then wouldnt light be effected by magnetic fields,especially if they are out of polarization with the incoming light.

and since it takes a magnetic field to block radiation.if a planet has liguid water on its surface then the planet has a strong magnetic field like earth.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: Littleenki on July 31, 2014, 06:26:29 am
Thats probably right, Robo as the water might diffract and scatter the light, causing it to be seen as a glow or illumination....oops I just described how the Earth gets its daytime..LOL!

Whats not clicking for me is that some folks have described light as electromagnetic...and while it is cool to think of light as an electromagnetic thingy, Id have to suggest that light is more a result of interacting electromagnetic fields, a visible and non visible product of resistance between colliding or interacting waveforms.

Most physics definitions as light being em seem wrong to me, as they are based on the actions of electrons, and electrons do not exist.

It seems a bit of ambiguity has clouded(pun intended) our understanding of light, and as Matrix says, "I believe mankind and science specifically has a long way to go to understand what light is."

Lets combine our ideas here folks, instead of denying or outright saying one is right or the other..were a team..can we do it?

Cheers!
Le
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: robomont on July 31, 2014, 09:15:04 am
i can temporarily say electrons are a wave form and photons are too.but these wave forms hold steady.i prefer solids as theyre easier to understand.
if they are wave forms then smallerfields are trapping them in like swimming pool walls.these walls are inelastic.the water has no resistence as these waves dont end.which means the water would have to be  like hydrogen close to absolute zero.a superfluid.
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on July 31, 2014, 03:21:54 pm
Hmm, deep thoughts, and not even on a Sunday ::)

I agree with both Sander and Matrix. Sander my freind great to see you posting again, i see you still have your very own area but i understand you are limited as to what you can post there, no problem, we understand ;)

Robo; here is the crunch, yes light is affected by both gravity & magnets, it can even impart kinetic & thermal energy, so in that sense it has mass. But then it also acts like a wave, as do all particles it seems, hence the double slit experiment (of which, the interpretation is wholly wrong) and the Michelson-Morely experiment.

Einstein believed that gravity, inherent in all mass, warps the 'space-time' around it.

I think that the opposite is true, that the prime mover (zpe, ether field, higgs nonsense) is actually warping the space, or rather any mass that occupies it, for without mass, does gravity even exist?

In the Matrix system, the underlying 'program' determines what will happen, where, and when. This includes all physical phenomena, and my research leads me to a direct link between all the forces, as per Maxwell's original 'quatraines' or series of quadratic formulas, too tired now to go into that, but i know i've posted many times about that.

Also, riddle me this; If duality exists, it must be because at that moment when the 'light wave' is at 'zero potential' I.E. crossing over the line from + to - at that point it has no mass also, and is able to travel as fast as it likes...I once had a theory about 'fast light' and 'slow light' that being the same photon exchanges, but each in another dimension.
Funnily enough, all the other fields would obey the same principle, Uh oh...

T.T. Brown also concluded that 'gravity waves' would have a similar spectrum to 'electro-magnetic waves'     :o
Yes, everything around us is not only based purely on some sub-space vibration, but all the energy in the universe can flow through a single point in space, which has zero dimension....
Food for thought, huh?
 ;D
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or rather any mass that occupies it, for without mass, does gravity even exist?
What i mean is, gravity is independent of mass, just as electric charge is, if the latter is proven true (as it was) then the former must be true also. Logical, captain.
Later!
Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: A51Watcher on July 31, 2014, 04:47:27 pm
Has anyone ever thought about nebulosity, plasma effects and water which is throughout the universe and how it makes an anomaly such as gravitational lensing seem plausible?

A weak force such as gravity bending light to me does not make sense, but then Im no mainstream astrophysicist.

Light occurring in nebulous features and being observed through water which is supended in the plasma of space makes much more sense to me, perhaps I am wrong, but thats what I would look at.

Heres something that might be applicable here....
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckBfKPAGNM[/youtube]

Not to argue or contradict anyone here, just sharing some thoughts.

Cheers
Le


Fascinating post and video also Le!  8)

Much cutting edge knowledge there.


I notice his expulsion theory diagram with the quasars looks similar to the expulsion seen from black holes (2 lines starting at the center moving outward in opposite directions).

Certainly a repeating pattern to keep an eye out for as we move forward in exploration.


Thanks for sharing that.










Title: Re: Speed of Light...Infinite or Finite?
Post by: WhatTheHey on July 31, 2014, 05:32:03 pm
  Very cool!  :D  I would just like to say this and see what happens!
  As it is with our perceptions, we see only what we are enabled by our senses. This being the case what we see looking at galaxies that may be on converging vectors are still subject to (What I call, The laws of our observations.)   This being that two objects converging on a common area or place from apposing sides will perceive each other as approaching at an accelerated rate. This is applicable to even light speed travel in respect to objects as far apart as the galaxies we can observe.  Because the observation takes place from either component of the event and not within one single object in motion. 
  In this observation the space between the galaxies would diminish faster than the observation would account for. This brings the idea that they are traveling faster then light, yet neither is traveling faster then light, only the observation of diminishing distance between the two seems to indicate that they are. This is an illusion of motion convergence. 
  Two cars are approaching each other at 100 mph. They see the convergence from within each car as happening at 200 mph., yet neither is going mover 100 mph.

WhatTheHey